I shouldn’t be surprised being that she was racist to different looking hoofed animals. I’m season one (I don’t remember the episode) but when the zebra came on screen the first time rarity judges the way that the zebra looks.
Imagine if the daughter of Satan came to your school and you specifically made fun of her for being the daughter of Satan. Those bullies have the self preservation instinct of bags of gravel
@@starlitcentaur Blue Exorcist is kind of like the opposite of this. Satan's son who hates being Satan's son goes to school where kids learn how to kill Satan's minions and his classmates actually like him. Even after they learn he's the son of Satan they still like him (even Bon!) and don't hold his parentage over him.
Fun fact: the voice actors for both Discord (DaWillstanator) and Screwball (Katie Patterson) met through DOD and Will ended up proposing to Katie and they’re married now!
Tbf it makes sense in context, since she is Minuette's daughter, which the fans headcanon as being called Colgate since she looks like toothpaste as well 😅
Omg I hated Aquafresh, lol. I didn’t like how she acted to Screwy, and tried to get Lightning to ditch her friend. She apologizes to Lightning at the end and I couldn’t help thinking “are you gonna apologize to Screwy? No? Kay.” No hate on the audio drama or the writing or anything! That’s just how I felt watching that character, and it’s valid to feel differently.
I still can't get over the fact that fluttershy going into labor is the most replayed scene. LIKE WHO WAS THERE JUST REPLAYING THAT SCENE OF HER GOING INTO LABOR LIKE IT WAS THE BEST SCENE OUT OF THE WHOLE EPISODE 💀
I vividly remember being really confused why the art style was always changing while I watched it, I guess younger me really didn’t grasp the concept of multiple artists.
The problems with Discord in this fanfic are the same problems I have with Hopper from Stranger Things in season 3. Characters, especially men who suddenly have daughters in the story, are suddenly written into possessive and angry manchildren who act like their "disobedient" daughters are their property and no other male may possess them, but under the guise of being protective. When they NEVER showed those traits beforehand. It's not funny at all and is so uncomfortable.
It was even worse in ST because in season 2 they had a whole storyline dealing with hopper learning to accept eleven being her own person and that he shouldn’t be too overprotective of her and then they just forgot it for season 3. Very infuriating.
@@Honeybunny_bunmost of the characters didn’t really act like “80s kids/people” if you really think about it. like Steve immediately accepting robin when she came out to him. the writers made a decision to make Steve more likable by not being homophobic, so I don’t see why they couldn’t have toned down the weirdness with hopper
Something I'll never understand, even as a fanfic editor myself, is why fanfic authors will go the route of bashing the characters they dislike in the stories they write. I mean, they have the option of "improving" the character so that they aren't as bad as they believe them to be, but instead choose to have them behave like caricatures of their canon selves while they undergo misfortune after misfortune. Character bashing is just such an annoying trope...
Oh definitely. It's one of the reasons why I don't like the MLB fandoms because with a few exceptions, every character especially the main two Adrien and Marinette are demonized to death with ppl analyzing how they act, what they do, and how it makes this character in the wrong when it barely matters, just move along with the show. Like I get the writing isn't good and the characters are weird, but you shouldn't go on hate rampages because this character didn't acted like you wanted to.
@@whichcache2517 Yeah or not make Adrien into a assaulter? Like seriously people, the world is your oyster in fanfic, you can go wild replacing all of the characters lamps but instead you spend your time saying why this character should be the antagonist and why they should be replaced with this other guy and just. Idk. Feels like ppl give so much crap to fictional characters that can't do anything.
@@cookiecat3324 Even characters like Genma Saotome or Danzo Shimura aren’t exempt from this, because even though they’re both assholes, it’s common for writers to strip away all the nuance before they’re just husks that inly exist to be ounching bags for the protagonists.
@@cookiecat3324 Anyhow, dunno if you’d be interested, but there is a crossover fanfic by an author I like (Crossoverpairinglover) called “Miraculous Demigods”, which crosses MLB with Percy Jackson and the Olympians. I dunno much about the ensorcelled ladybird show, so I can’t say much on how well the fanfic emulates the show, but if you’re ever curious, give it a look sometime (I’d link it, but you know, TH-cam hides comments with links).
The Red Shoes being Cheese Sandwich thing was kinda interesting actually. Red Shoes was originally an OC I think cuz the author couldn't think of anyone to ship Pinkie with. Then season 4 came out and we got Cheese Sandwich. The author liked him enough to retcon that Red Shoes WAS Cheese but under a different identity.
@@UnexpectedCake Ehhhh, it's a bit complicated because the actual writer of that episode said that since the character model was a filly model then the character was a filly, even if the script used he/him pronouns; but the showrunner stuck to the script genndering even though the episode itself does nothing to indicate it.
A few more things about this series! 1. Yep, the creator despises Rarity solely for the fact that she turned down Spike and ignored his advances. This was glossed over in the audio dramas, but the fanfics delve deeper into treating Rarity like she's pony Satan for rejecting Spike. She's constantly descried as being catty and jealous over everyone or is downright nasty and self-centered with her friend's problems, eg "Fluttershy is a total moron for not getting over her anxiety and not getting laid! It's ruining MY image!". 2. Red Shoes was retconned into being Cheese Sandwich under the Witness Protection Program because his ex went crazy after they broke up and kept stalking him. In a wacky turn of events, she was actually just trying to return his scarf to him the whooooole time! It's in one of the side-stories. 3. Rarity's weird racism isn't the only weird racism. In the fic, when Screwball says Mothball loves her, Twilight gets pissed off at her and snaps that it's been scientifically proven they cannot feel love. And in the fic, too, Chrysalsis says that the only reason Mothball has a heart is because his dad was a pony, not a changeling. 4. The creator wrote another fanfic where Rainbow Dash finds out she's asexual and she INSTANTLY becomes a raging homophobe that panics the second anyone thinks she's attracted to women and has a nightmare that The Gays are going to put her on trial for the cardinal sin of being asexual and force her into being a lesbian because... reasons...? Worth noting this fanfic is an **extremely old shame** for the author and in the final chapter she says she never actually wanted to finish it but felt the obligation to.
the asexual rainbow dash fic thing i never knew about and am like,, ouch, it sounds kind of like some kind of internalized struggle for the author put into a fanfic. honestly hope they're doing alright and is moving on from that
@@curley-clown They most certainly are, they are trying to better themselves as a person and I can't imagine they're too proud of the headspace they were in at that time.
With the Rainbow Dash coming out as asexual fic, I feel like the author at the time didn't know that being ace does not make them aromantic(most of the time at least)
If I remember correctly too, wasn’t the reason Spike and AJ didn’t have a bio baby until way later was bc Celestia forbade them from ever having a bio kid due to being different species??
What i REALLY love about mothball's designs is that whenever he's disguised as a normal pony, the artists actually put thought into his cutie-mark. If you look carefully each time, his cutie-mark hints at him "being a mysterious pony" and that he's in a disguise. By far one of my most favourite details created by the artists!
I personally never understood the “dad hates whoever his daughter dates” like in the beginning he knew nothing aside from “he’s a boy who my daughter likes” those dads always were weird in sitcoms. Also apparently in the og fanfic, applejack and spike got married when he turned 18?! 🤢
so interesting to compare the fandom’s general idealized versions of the adult cast’s lives compared to where they ended up in the actual finale-hardly anybody is coupled up, Pinkie Pie and Cheese Sandwich + Applejack and Rainbow Dash being the only ones who are expressly together/married, the former pair also being the only one to have had a kid at all. i really do like the way the finale subtly challenges the cultural status quo of what it means to be a fulfilled adult woman :)
@@MILDMONSTER1234 AppleDash is also hinted, not confirmed. Overall there is a leaked scenario of some sorts in which it implies both are canon (I mean this and Fluttercord)
You have to realize that this was likely done because the writers didn’t want to shove some side character down people’s throats in the last episode of the series. Having a main character show up with some extra whom they didn’t have any buildup with would just be seen negatively. Not to mention any kids. It’s just smart to not make any pairings unless they built up during your series. The series didn’t focus on romance, so it doesn’t make sense to shoehorn it in at the end. I personally felt like the Appledash hinting was unnecessary. Just let us decide whether any of the characters got married or not.
On Rarity being the punching bag of this series: I distinctly remember being 10 years old watching a QnA with the author (idk if it’s still on their channel), when they’re asked who their least favorite pony is. They respond saying that it was a tie between Rainbow Dash, and you guessed it, Rarity. Their reasoning being that Rarity often uses Spike and disregards his feelings for her. I wouldn’t be surprised if Rarity’s terrible life was the author’s way of getting their feelings out. Again this was YEARS ago, so idk if the video is still up, but it definitely happened.
@@billyboleson2830 It is more up to interpretation, but then again how Rarity could have not see that Spike had a crush on her, considering it was painfully obvious
@{𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝒮𝒾𝓁𝓋𝑒𝓇 𝑀𝑜𝑜𝓃} But seem to have knew that Spike had a crush on her in the episode Secret of My Excess because she stopped Spike from telling her because he already knew, and I'm not sure being too busy will actually stop someone from seeing someone else having a crush on them.
#justiceforgemstone rarity was my favorite character growing up and still is as a 20 year old she doesn't deserve this treatment by the author and neither does her kid
True. Even if people are divided on shipping it, Fluttershy and Discord’s bond in the show is much better. He’s more calm, witty and not too over the top with his mischief aside from having his chaos be comedic. In the show he’s more respecting Fluttershy’s boundaries and interests, they just got such a wholesome bond. In DOD and BOD, yeah it insists he’s changed but not showing how. I mean, MLP itself shown how he changed in a pretty straightforward way so I don’t know why they couldn’t have utilized it from the show. I definitely do not like how a lot of the relationships were toxic. The only fairly healthy relationship I can think of was SoarinDash, but yeah.
@@surraciddac170 in the show he isn't calm and when he was her friend he was manipulative but after the episode he knows that she is his friend and he gets over being manipulative but i think one thing in the BOD that he wasn't really......how to say this ehmmm developed he wasn't developed like our discord. our discord knew that he needed to change or he turn back to a stone and he didn't have friends and he was sad he will go back to being alone. in BOD he didn't change he was planning being evil no one changed him like the show until he took a bride wish he learned many things so gg
I remember when I was younger I felt bad for rarity and I still do. the thing she said to apple jack was racist and shitty but I feel as if the author wrote her and her situation that bad was because rarity didn’t acknowledge spike’s feelings. Y’know like a normal adult does ?
Atleast according to one of the comments down here, it seems the author had some sort of internalised homophobia. Apparently there was a subplot in a fic (either DOD or a sequel) where Rainbow finds out she's ace and dreads ANYBODY thinking she's gay. Luckily though I think the author has improved and is doing better nowadays haha
Also I can’t take Chrysalis’ entire “revenge plot” seriously. I honestly can’t see her throwing a massive temper tantrum just because someone didn’t reciprocate her romantic feelings. Makes Starlight’s backstory look perfectly rational in comparison.
Also- the author, DF is a notorious jerk (that's putting it LIGHTLY) to their fans. Look at their replies to comments absolute rudeness, condescending attitude, and overall "better than you" tone. They also love to elaborate how they graduated as a major in creative writing and how they minored in relationship psychology. Considering the flaws of this fanfic thats maaaad ironic.
Thank you for saying this. I'm afraid to comment on her videos anymore because she snapped at me years ago when I was a literal child. I asked her about what asexual meant (because she mentioned being asexual) Funny enough I came out as asexual a few years after. It doesn't take much effort to be kind, but clearly she thinks so.
@@pepperimps01 Fellow Ace here too 🖖 I get it. I've called her out directly a few times telling her to cool it with no response but I've seen other comments asking her what certain sexualities/gender identities mean with her clapping back with absolute rudeness. Heaven forbid someone educate themselves, right?
@@MordyMcCheese I get it to some extent that it can be annoying, especially since some people can be intentionally ignorant but I honestly didn't think she would reply. I also can't imagine doing that to a fan? Like jeez😂
I know DF isn't a fan of Rainbow Dash and Rarity as characters but it really sucks to rewatch DoD and BoD sometimes cause they're really one-dimensional and out of character in my opinion, Rarity especially. And it leaks into how Gemstone is written. The story was just gunning for Rarity like when Applejack blew up on her for asking for relationship advice... and also the pony racism - like it's played for a joke but it makes it hard to sit through cause the canon characters are just morphed to fit whatever DF wanted the story to be, even if it goes against their character.
I never actually got the impression DF doesn't like Rainbow Dash as well. I mean there's quite a lot of her character in it, she even voices her. Weird.
Gotta commend your absolute genius comedic timing, talking about why how strange it was that the two fillies didn't get together as the Wikipedia header for queerbaiting slowly faded in on screen. A few good chuckles. The only exposure I had to either of this series was when an episode of DOD was randomly recommended to me, all the shipping stuff really isn't my thing so I never watched it at the time.
I love the effort you put into researching old MLP stuff. I was big into the fandom as a teen. Daughter of Discord is one of my favorite audio drama. I know it's not perfect but I'm more focused on Screwball's story. Not the weird Applespike stuff. Can't wait to see what else you talk about.
@{𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝒮𝒾𝓁𝓋𝑒𝓇 𝑀𝑜𝑜𝓃} Yeah. It’s canon in this universe. Basically in this universe, Applejack is a literal p*do / groomer who has a crush on and even dates Spike (who is canonically a kid)
So I found out WHY Red Shoes is a Cheese Sandwich clone and it's THE MOST teenage fanfic author retcon plot twist explanation possible (that's not meant as an insult, btw, I mean that as in it gave me flashbacks to being 14 and writing the exact same type of thing). So, according to TVTropes, in DF's later fic CMC: The Next Generation, it's revealed that "Red Shoes was actually Cheese Sandwich in disguise (which Pinkie knew about) because he was on the run from a crazy ex-marefriend (who happens to be Surprise, the G1 pony Pinkie Pie was based off of) who he believed was hunting him down (she was really just trying to return a scarf he left at her house)." So, yeah, he is literally Cheese in a wig. Wild.
calling out grooming? thats nono lets write her out to be racist instead !! like have your weird grudges against these fictional ponies ( which i find it weird how the creator hated rarity for rejecting spike ) but why make her racist 😭
I despise the thing AJ and spike has going on,hes literally growing as the story progresses and it just feels so gross.Expesially the hinting of "waiting him to be older" at the beginning, its so p3dophilic, almost reminds me of grown man counting down the years of underage girls turning legal.
@@KaminoKatie Well we must keep in mind that these works are pretty old, might have not tought abaut it at all while making it. Im not sure if they recognize it at a problem today but i sure hope they do.
I just got hit with MAJOR nostalgia cuase I remembered I did artwork for this series. It's not shown here but the scene where Dinky and is seen by Applejack's son during the dance is the scene I drew :3
Holy shit they turned Chrysalis into Reverse Flash. Frankly, I’m fucking here for it. “HEY DISCORD REMEMBER WHEN CELESTIA CALLED YOU A FREAK? IT WAS *ME*, DISCORD, I WAS CELESTIA!” “HEY DISCORD REMEMBER WHEN THE MANE SIX THOUGHT YOU WERE ATTACKING THEM?! IT WAS *ME*, DISCORD, I WAS THE ONE WHO MADE THEM THINK THEY WERE UNDER ATTACK!” “HEY DISCORD REMEMBER WHEN THE BABY ACTED EVIL?! IT WAS *ME, DISCORD, I WAS THE BABY!”*
as a certified rarity lover, she did NOT deserve all that, her and apple jack get married in my head and adopt a child, gemstone is still there but is happily coparented by fancy pants and rarity
I can’t get over Queen Chrysalis being named for the beautiful encasing a caterpillar undergoes its transformation inside of, and then her child is named after the smelly things old people put in their closets to keep moths away.
My biggest complaints - (In no particular order) - Applespike (the ship, not they're baby) - the "domesticating" of Discord and Fluttershy (and all the mane 6) - the forced gender roles/ stereotypes - the implications of how Fluttershy and Discord got together in this series - the Characterization of Rarity and Gemstone - Gemstone having an eating disorder - everyone treating Rarity and Gemstone like crap - the character of AppleJack being a jealous snob towards Rarity when she just tried to ask her FRIEND for advice - Redshoes should have just been cheese sandwich and the Tri pies. They were clearly an homage to characters like "Huey, duey and luey" but at least they were their own characters (In the reboot anyway) - Twilight getting a throw away line about getting dumped near the end felt cheap. We didn't even get to see her relationship - the way the ONE gay ship in the story is the ONLY ship (aside from the main characters) that is complicated and the two get very limited screentime where they're actually just happy together I'm sure there's more but those are the biggest ones off the top of my head I really do respect the work the artists and the va's put in I know projects like this take an insane amount of work, time and patience It's just some of the writing choices that Disneyfanatic made really bothered me and clearly I wasn't the only one
Good point outs in your comment, it's good that you didn't called the author a bad writer or whatever, you just don't like the way she wrote her stories and your comment is just and respectful, it's something I kinda would think with my opinions.
@@mariatwilightsparkle2593 She never gives a specific/exact age (probably for a reason) So I'm not sure At least not in the audio drama There might be an exact age in the actual fanfiction but I've never read it and I don't plan on it So I apologize but I don't know
I liked Daughter of Discord more than it’s predecessor since Screwy and Mothball’s relationship is a lot healthier compared to Discord and Fluttershy’s. There’s no kidnapping or deals involved as they simply start off as two good friends who’s relationship naturally develops as they grow up. You can see/feel more trust and respect between them than with Discord and Fluttershy, who’s dynamic still comes off as fragile and unstable.
fr i just finshed binge watching BOD and DOD and DOD is much better its also more entertaining and yea i agree the relationships are much healthier is DOD compared to BOD not to mention we have dinky
This is one of those scenarios where I'm really curious how old the author was when she started this whole saga. To a young teenager, Applejack x Spike probably seems innocuous, because at that age, the age gap doesn't really sink in. I say this because I've seen teenagers ship characters with huge age gaps and then years later feel turned off due to that age gap. (One fic I read even had the author post an update after a three year hiatus saying that she started writing that fic when she was a young teenager, but now that she was actually eighteen-ish like the younger character, she realized how weird the 10+ year age gap was.) But then again, a lot of bronies seemed to not fully realize that Spike was supposed to be a child, while the Main Six were fully functioning adults (well, maybe not "fully functioning").
I can relate, I loved Sparity as a kid but as an adult yeah no lmao. Then again for whatever reason most bronies think Spike is older then he actually is for some reason?
@@MILDMONSTER1234 I think it's because in the beginning of S1, the Mane 6 sounded like they were teens. Spike would still be a kid but the age difference might only be a couple of years. That, and Spike does a lot. His personality and behavior are def that of a kid but everything he can do kind of obfuscated it. But yeah I wasn't a huge Sparity shipper but I did think it was cute. Then I sat down and was like hm. He's a child and she's clearly an adult with her own business and all.
@@highbahamut6188 Basically, toxic and unhealthy stereotypes and tropes surrounding straight characters/relationships that are presented as normal and okay. Some examples of this include: a lack of communication in a marriage leading to spousal arguments and misunderstandings that aren't properly resolved, an emphasis on dating members of the opposite sex as well as getting married and having lots of children asap, and pervading ideas of being straight being the only valid way to live one's life and be happy. The long running series that that inspired all these stereotypes and tropes is called _Society_ btw.
@@highbahamut6188 In itself it's not a bad thing but when it's portrayed as *the only way* it becomes toxic. It makes people internalize that they should do it even if they may not want to. So a piece of media like this one where every character end up married with children gives up the impression that life is all about these things and nothing else. And when you don't want kids/have tokophobia or simply isn't straight, it can feel like big pressure.
it still irks me so bad that after EVERYTHING the other couples went through that were way more toxic and even abusive, they still kept most, if not all of the straight relationships together while aquafresh and that other girl were "just too diffewent :,(" like- THATS where they draw the line??? the ONLY queer relationship, hell even MENTION in the entire series is the one that they have a bad ending for. i call bullshit on that part to this day lmao
@@KaminoKatie From what I've read in the comments it seems that the author made a fanfic where Rainbow Dash has nightmares about gay ppl killing her for being ace so maybe (at the tine at least) it was mire than Screwball
It wasn't because they were too different. It was because the other girl said that they needed their significant other to be okay with their friends as well as her, especially those like Screwball who have been in the girl's life since they were little fillies. She can't be with someone that does not get along with her friends. She stated a need the other could not meet at that point in time and the other pony accepted it. They could still get together later on (and probably will) since they still like each other, but at the moment they agree that they are better off as friends. Not really a bad ending, but not really a happy one either. I do think they could have done this dynamic with a straight couple instead of the only queer one.
@@lilyofthevalley3059 Actually its because the author had internalized homophobia but go off I guess. And before you try to argue with me, the author literally said in the comments of the BOD video that they were homophobic while writing these and remained that way until they came out
@@AeonKnigh432 Wasn't going to argue with you, just didn't know about that fact. I just went with what happened at the end of episode 8 of daughter of discord, when they had that conversation about their relationship (or my memory about that conversation, since apparently Screwball was more like family rather than just a friend which I remembered upon re-watching that scene). Based on that I disagreed with the interpretation of them not getting (or staying) together being because they were too different and them not getting (or staying) together being a bad thing (since I firmly believe that it's important to communicate your needs and boundaries to your significant other and make it known if they are not being fulfilled so you can come up with a solution, I don't think breaking up but remaining friends is a bad ending). It's good to know they got over their homophobia and interesting to learn more about what went on behind the scenes. I still view that scene as a neutral ending (or an indefinite pause if you read into the whole being just friends until they are in a place for something more thing) to the relationship that wasn't because they were too different even if it wasn't intended like that. Sorry for the wall of text, my tired brain (can't fall asleep for some reason) for some reason had much to say about a show (not really sure about the correct definition so it's a show for now) I haven't watched since it came out.
I'm really happy you covered this one too because I only watched this series despite finding out there was one before it. It's a bit nostalgic but yeah I did not think about the Spike thing very much. And I totally get the crying thing, I felt the same way when I was little!
Trivia from BigApplePie, original BoD Discord voice: -Fluttershy telling Discord to sleep on the couch, was a joke between Mary Medley & I back in our BoD days. I came up with the line because believe it or not, I CAN SOUND LIKE FLUTTERSHY. But of course, it sounds better when Mary did it. I am happy the inside joke was included in the sequel. -Speaking of which, I originally wanted to audition for Fluttershy in DoD as a joke, but refrained, and glad I did. Plus what if were the best pick? Weeeiirrrd. -I reprised my Big Mac role in the final episode doing some eeeyups, nopes, and a scream. -I lent my vocals in the finale song. -I'm not sure if in the original fanfic, Chrysalis and Discord had a thing for each other, so this may be true or not. The idea MAY have been borrowed from my BoD blooper reel when I joked on occasion about Discord having a previous relationship with Celestia or Chrysalis. -DaWillstanator aka Thespio and I share the same number of episodes as Discord for a total of 10 each. Me: Bod 1-9 + April Fools BoD episode. Thespio: BoD 10, DoD 1-8 + April fools DoD episode. -Thespio is a great replacement, and a great dude, and I don't want anyone to hate him simply for the reason that he's not me. Only criticize his own performance.
I have question for you, did your cousin DF really matured later? Cuz I feeling unease after I read a comment from MordecaiApo right here, where they called her a "notorious jerk", if you find this comment in the commentary.
I want to rewrite Bride and Daughter of Discord, just to get rid of the Applespike. (Though having less abusive fluttercord would also be there too). And yes Gemstone should have more time in the story #JusticeForGemstone
@@i.r.3016 I wasn't sure if anyone would want to read it, but I'll have it on ao3. I am just rewatching the earlier seasons so I don't mess up the characterizations
@@iristhorne2536 oo vry cool, i havent watched bride of discord because it didnt really interest me but i have watched Daughter of Discord several times since it was made! Whats your AO3 story called ill read it! :3
Looking back at how discord was written he seems to be the stereotypical “my daughter can NEVER date a boy EVER” father figure it feels like the author didn’t really know how to write the conflict between discord and mothball and just end up making him yell at screwball the whole time. Kind of disturbing that I was watching this at 12 and didn’t see many red flags.
I had a nextgen comic when I was a teenager, and I mostly wrote it because I was working through issues I had with my mom and the pressures she put on me, so I wanted to explore how the CMC might approach raising THEIR kids and the concept of “destiny” given their own fixation on cutie marks. I made only the nextgen kids that were directly relevant, and didn’t even pick fathers for any of them. A lot of canon characters never had families. But when I launched the series, I got a TON of questions about WHO the fathers were???? What are [x character]’s kids like? Which kids do you ship with each other?? And as someone who was never into shipping it baffled me. Now I understand that most nextgen stuff was pretty shipping-driven… so the over-reliance on it in this doesn’t surprise me at all.
That's actually an interesting approach and inspiration for a nextgen story. But of course, those people care too much about shipping to actually think about the story that they're reading/watching.
Honestly I feel the same way Initially I started my MLP next gen as an excuse for shipping, but nowadays it's more an exploration of what the Mane 6 would be like as parents
Honestly? I wrote a nextgen fanfic for myself and didn't even make any of the mane 6 parents (except for Rarity and Applejack), I came up with new mane 6 that are not related to the previous mane 6 at all, and it was honestly really refreshing
ok, the queerbaiting pisses me off so much bc it's- it's *fanfiction!* there's no practical, cold blooded show-biz reason for them to queerbait the audience. they could've just let the one gay couple in an ocean of straights be together but nnnnope, can't have that apparently
For some reason as soon as I saw Chrysalis with her son during the intro, I immediately thought of Lion King 2. I can only assume that's because there are only, like, three next-geration Disney sequels and only one has a next-gen character who's related to the originals villain in some way and the main character's age, but my jaw still dropped when I realized that's the direction it was going in. Felt a little psychic lol
I agree that the shipping and next gen children in this story got way out of hand. I also found myself not too happy with Discord's behavior, whether it's his excessive yelling in anger or his sudden lack of trust in Fluttershy when he gets tricked by the changelings. I mean, the two have been married for over a decade now so you'd think Discord would know better than to fall for a ploy like that since he knows his wife, and the fact that there was already a changeling sighting not that long ago. I also didn't like the scene where Discord is unsure if Screwball is actually his until she displays her chaotic powers. I can't help but think how shallow that was when he pointed out how the baby didn't resemble either of them and switching to fawning over his daughter once she shows she does have his powers. I mean, what would've happened if Screwball didn't have any powers? Sorry for the mini rant, but that scene just really bugs me.
I knew about the whole 'theory' of screwball being Discord's daughter but I just thought it was like just that. Never knew about the fic or audio drama. Also, as someone who was REALLY into all the next gen stuff and did a ton of that, this one almost feels like the.. straight -kinda home0phobic- person next gen AU lmao
ok few things: 1. this is a great video about a series i binged a lot as a kid and i will definitely check out your other videos 2. i have a raging hyperfixation on lego batman at the moment. when you had mentioned the background ponies and went “lego batjokes?!” i screamed so much that i cried and almost threw up from laughing. i had never realized they were in the bg of an episode (to be fair i haven’t seen the series in a few years) but thank you for pointing it out in (to me ) a very funny way. i was so loud that my whole family got so worried and thought i was dying.
The way I physically couldn’t cope with the fact they didn’t make a pony and changling love story in the actual mlp show is crazy 😭😭 I wanted mothball and screwball to be real so badly
This is so weird because in BoD , when Applejack was talking to Rarity about Spike in the forest when they were helping Fluttershy to get to Discord, she showed no signs of not returning Spike's feelings because he was a dragon. She never at any point went ' ugh I would never be with a dragon', so the whole racist-ish thing seems very random. Also yeah. Discord is not a yeller. Dramatic, loud, chaotic, yes. But yelling, anger and outright physical violence were never really his thing. It was one of the reasons I found him to be so cool in mlp. It weirded me out that he got mad so often in BoD, and it's even more out of character here, and it just makes him unlikeable. His way of dealing with Mothball in the story, in particular, doesn't feel like his style at all.
I remember asking the author about Red Shoes and they just told me to go read the fanfic they'd written that explained it. But I don't rly care about Pinkie Pie x Cheese Sandwich and the fic was long so it felt like quite a demand of be able to understand everything in DoD. But they outright refused to just tell me. Kinda feels like how the MCU's becoming harder to get into bc u have to consume every movie and TV show to not get confused about stuff.
@@pepperimps01 yeah I was told about that by another fan back in the day. I'm just irritated that the author refused to tell me back in the day when directly asked.
I thought it was interesting that you never mentioned that fluttershy got a new voice actress, I remember when the casting call dropped the entirety of MLP VA youtube was scrambling to get the role
Oh yeah, I remember the original VA for Bride was not going to come back, then she did, but she dropped it because she felt bad and wanted to give others a chance. I think she was still in Daughter as Apple Bloom?
21:12 its absolutely a ship thing. I know how these people think ...ive been around enough Rarijack vs Sparity ship war discussion to get an idea of whats up
@@ApricityGlow Ikr? If I wanna make a OC child of a shipp, I'd make the OC child has some traits of their parents but with their own traits that came from both parents' families or has just their own.
I watched DOD a while ago while I was still very much in my MLP phase. I still am in the MLP fandom but I can draw humans now. I remember making a fanfic where Screwball and one of my mary sue OC's were best friends. I don't remember much about the actual story.
I remember watching this when I was younger and not getting into Screwball’s friend group that much. I love the idea of the Mane 6’s children being friends, but what put me off was the romances and just how pointless and dull they were. Like, they set up who had a crush on who, so I was just waiting for them to get together, not out of interest of investment, but because I wanted to be done with the painful “will they / won’t they” and cliche pinning tropes. It took a few years of getting past my internalized homophobia to realize that Aqua Fresh and Lightning Dash were the best developed couple, just because they waited awhile until getting there and also provided some actually interesting drama Also, I thought that Gemstone’s dieting was a result of living in Canterlot. Like, I was waiting for her to come out of her shell a bit and whatnot. I think they did this in the fanfic a bit towards the end, but I can’t be sure. Also #JusticeForGemstone or whatever
Okay, kind of a longshot that you'll ever see this, but I would absolutely LOVE a video like this about Turnabout Storm. I haven't seen that get talked about in ages but I feel like my brain puts it in the same category.
I was really into this series when I was in middle school and I don’t know if anyone said it yet, but there’s a spin-off about the younger kids (Pie triplets, Gemstone, and Prism) called CMC Next Gen and there’s a chapter about Red Shoes actually being Cheese Sandwich in hiding. Red Shoes was made to be a love interest for Pinkie as he didn’t exist yet, and DF wanted to add Cheese in later. She even had a Cheese voice for Red Shoes to support this when the audio came out. It’s been a long time but I think this is right.
i'm sorry i lost it laughing when I heard the *squeak* and zoom in on my old art of mothball having crys's hoof over him. Help him he's being crushed! God its been years since I last looked at my old MLP art that was done back then. But this was an enjoyable video to watch and brought back good memories and valid points. I personally wasn't a huge fan of aj and spike. but I did greatly enjoy working on the scenes for the 2 episodes I did do back then (crys and discord seeing each other when defending their kids. and The rain of bricks on gold digger) while it was fun to work on the art i did do. I did and still sometimes d0 look back on it and see the bits where i was personally uncomfortable or not a fan of certain elements. Luckily i never had art assigned for scenes of parts i wasn't a huge fan/comfortable with. Still this analysis brings back good memories and was a great video to watch!
bruh finally my girl gemstone getting the recognition she deserves. even when I first saw the fanfic when I was like 10 I’ve always liked gemstone and her design. justice for her.
Fun fact, the Make A Wish kid is actually a friend of mine! They're currently a staff along with me in an online brony convention. I admittedly got really excited hearing that they were in this
Honestly I first read this fic when it first came out years ago (So back then I didn't really think much of the problematic Applespike shipping since I was still a teen myself at the time) The big thing that always irked me about the story was how Discord did such a 180 turn when he thought Fluttershy was cheating on him, even though he literally saw a changeling the night before, knows how they are, and yet STILL doesn't even slightly question what he saw?? God and the fact that he didn't even let Fluttershy explain herself and just up and went to start causing more chaos just brings a bad implication that it's supposed to be Fluttershy's sole responsibility to keep him controlled... It just kinda makes the whole character development that Discord supposedly went through with making friends with everyone else and not just Fluttershy and the fact the he'd turn on them all so quickly for a misunderstanding...
The entire applespike thing reminds me of this lady on tiktok who said she met her husband when he was 15 and now he’s 18 and she’s 24 and has three kids with him 😭
@@badatthegame1333 worst part is she’s probably older and just lying cuz she said they met when he was 15 and she was 23 so she’s probably closer to 30 than 20💀
reminder that while he doesn't appear in the drama, in the fanfic it shows that dinky's dad is doctor whooves. i don't know why he didn't appear in the drama but in the fanfic it gives a reason he's not exactly in dinky's life, fighting daleks (I'm not making this up it literally name drops daleks) also mothball's dad was a pony
Actually in the audio drama, Derpy states in the very beginning what happened to him. When Rarity asked her what happened to him while she was looking at her baby in the hospital, she said that "One of his experiments went wrong and he got sucked into a time vortex." This was a throwaway line and it's treated like a joke with her saying immediately after "Oh well. That's the way the muffin crumbles sometimes." As far as I can tell (since I haven't watched the whole thing myself), we never see him throughout the entire thing and his absence was just hand-waved in a throwaway gag.
This probably gets pointed out at some point in the video but I find it odd that Screwball has the ability to tell when a changeling is disguised as someone else but Discord can't. When I started this video and we see this ability for the first time, I just assumed she inherited it from her dad (I barely know anything about MLP so forgive me if is canon that he can't tell regular characters from changelings disguising as them). It feels like a contrived reason to have Discord get mad at Fluttershy for supposedly cheating on him. And idk but wouldn't someone as powerful as Discord be able to share some of the same powers as his own kid? Does the genetics for Discord's species make it so that their powers are random and not inherited? Idk man
She can't tell when someone is an imposter unless they lie to her, that's why she didn't see the queen was pretending to be her brother, because the baby didn't talk.
23:45 Honestly I've never felt more like a poorly edited Shunks on a chair while rewatching this series. It's just so good and bad at the same time lol. Like people can totally have their rightfully annoyed gripes on this series, I've certainly got my own, but watching this is just such a guilty pleasure.
I think dod is better than bod but about gemstone “quirk” an eating disorder is not quirky honestly what is was the writer‘s thinking when she thought it would be quirky hopefully she learns that it’s not “quirky” and is a serious issue
I honestly thought I was the only one who thought Discord was off in terms of personality. As you pointed out, we’ve only seen him get angry once or twice in the canon show (one of the times being when he found out that Fluttershy was kidnapped by the changelings) It’s especially off when Discord gets riled off upon hearing that Screwball has a crush without even knowing that said crush is a changeling, again, as you pointed out.
I watched your BOD video a few days ago and was especially looking forward to you covering DOD because I actually did some art for this series as a teenager. I had kinda forgotten that I did until I saw your BOD video pop up in my recommendations. I agree with all of your critiques-- especially the AppleSpike thing and Discord's very problematic actions. It's very surreal looking back on this project all of these years later as an adult who knows better now. I do remember really enjoying making art for this project, even if looking at all my old art makes me cringe now lol. Also BTW I've been binging your channel for most of this week- you're so funny and I regularly get into laughing fits when I watch your videos! I appreciate your kindhearted nature and I can't wait to see more!
Daughter of Discord is really nostalgic to me, even with it's flaws. I cringe at some moments in the story and, like an old lady watching a soap opera, yell at the screen to the characters about dumb things they are doing. But to me, that's what makes it even more fun to watch 😂
I’m a HUGE mothball fan so maybe I’m biased, but I really would have liked some of the energy that was put towards the side ships and filler to be put towards developing his character more. I mean, for a love interest, and supposedly secondary protagonist, he only has about an hour and fourty five minutes of screen time, out of the five hour audio drama (calculated by BeizerBallad on FiMfiction). Obviously the time skip and the fact that mothball couldn’t get out to see screwball doesn’t help this, but a little more development with him would have been great. There’s a scene In the fic which explains how he got Zany back from the Changelings, which got replaced with him explaining it quickly in the audio drama, but I feel like that would have been nice to see. Some more development on his and chrysalis’s relationship would have been cool too. Sure, there’s a decent amount of scenes with him, but it would still have been neat to actually see him a bit more.
19:20 It was explained somewhere. The fic was written before Cheese was introduced, but the audiodrama was made after. So instead of replacing Red Shoes with Cheese, the more obvious ship, they retconned it as Red Shoes being Cheese Sandwich, but with a backstory of needing to hide his identity for some silly reason.
I think DF already name dropped Pinkie's husband, but he was such a minor part of the original Daughter of Discord, she just made him look and sound like Cheese in Audiodrama, and even she wrote a funny backstory about why Cheese would use a disguise to live in Ponyville with Pinkie. It's worth reading, even if the story where this is from wasn't finished.
We will not be silenced #JusticeForGemstone
Hello fellow Gemstone Defender
Yes! Justice for the Little Gemstone!
She deserved better!#JusticeForGemstone
yess #JusticeforGemstone
#justiceforgemstone she deserved better
Rarity being racist is genuinely the weirdest and funniest thing this story gave us
“Rarity being racist” is really weird out of context
I shouldn’t be surprised being that she was racist to different looking hoofed animals. I’m season one (I don’t remember the episode) but when the zebra came on screen the first time rarity judges the way that the zebra looks.
@@Fizzymoth to be fair everyone in season 1 is racist
@@MILDMONSTER1234 oh shoot I didn’t notice that
rarity also literally does gentrification at one point in canon, her being racist feels lore accurate tbh
Imagine if the daughter of Satan came to your school and you specifically made fun of her for being the daughter of Satan. Those bullies have the self preservation instinct of bags of gravel
Now that I think about it, there was a South Park episode were that basically happens. Satan's son goes to school and none of the kids like him.
blue exorcist kinda did that sdkdjfjf
@@starlitcentaur Yeah but it was a whole anime with a budget and everything so they can’t have an excuse.
@@starlitcentaur Blue Exorcist is kind of like the opposite of this. Satan's son who hates being Satan's son goes to school where kids learn how to kill Satan's minions and his classmates actually like him. Even after they learn he's the son of Satan they still like him (even Bon!) and don't hold his parentage over him.
Yea
Your going die if you do
Fun fact: the voice actors for both Discord (DaWillstanator) and Screwball (Katie Patterson) met through DOD and Will ended up proposing to Katie and they’re married now!
That's super sweet as heck
SWEET HOME ALABAMA I'm sorry I had to do it
Friendship is magic ey?
Yep
I know those two! I wonder what their thoughts on the series is now
I’m sorry but I love the fact that one of the OCs is just based off literal toothpaste. Aquafresh my beloved.
I KNOW ITS HILARIOUS LMFAO
Tbf it makes sense in context, since she is Minuette's daughter, which the fans headcanon as being called Colgate since she looks like toothpaste as well 😅
@@delleugenio I know haha I was a big fan of the name Colgate back in the day 💀
Omg I hated Aquafresh, lol. I didn’t like how she acted to Screwy, and tried to get Lightning to ditch her friend. She apologizes to Lightning at the end and I couldn’t help thinking “are you gonna apologize to Screwy? No? Kay.” No hate on the audio drama or the writing or anything! That’s just how I felt watching that character, and it’s valid to feel differently.
Yooo is your username a reference to Fallout? :D
I still can't get over the fact that fluttershy going into labor is the most replayed scene. LIKE WHO WAS THERE JUST REPLAYING THAT SCENE OF HER GOING INTO LABOR LIKE IT WAS THE BEST SCENE OUT OF THE WHOLE EPISODE 💀
My sweet innocent child
You have some experience to gain from the internet my love
you know who.
I was the one who replayed the scene 😏
I think I know exactly why they replayed it
I know it's a trope to have school bully characters but why the fuck would you pick on a literal demigod?!
"dRaMA"
(Seriously, real life bullies would be picking on someone they deem weak not a demigod)
It would be like a mouse bullying a bear
@@CreativeWitchArt Actually that does happen in real life, a fully grown bull moose can and will fuck you up.
@@prixe12 he said mouse....... but yeah bull moose are fucking terrifying lolll
@@CreativeWitchArt Bullying The Dragon Trope Reference!
I vividly remember being really confused why the art style was always changing while I watched it, I guess younger me really didn’t grasp the concept of multiple artists.
Haha, I remember going to the description when the art was pretty so I could see who made it, it was a fun guessing game too
Young child: multiple artists? What are those
I just assumed that it was traced lol.
That was me with Warrior Cats projects lmao
Rarity: *rightfully rejects spike*
The author: GGRRRRR BAD PONY, I HATE YOU RRRRRHHHHGGG!!!!
Must be a pedophile
The problems with Discord in this fanfic are the same problems I have with Hopper from Stranger Things in season 3. Characters, especially men who suddenly have daughters in the story, are suddenly written into possessive and angry manchildren who act like their "disobedient" daughters are their property and no other male may possess them, but under the guise of being protective. When they NEVER showed those traits beforehand. It's not funny at all and is so uncomfortable.
It was even worse in ST because in season 2 they had a whole storyline dealing with hopper learning to accept eleven being her own person and that he shouldn’t be too overprotective of her and then they just forgot it for season 3. Very infuriating.
exactly!! honestly i was really frustrated with hopper's character in s3. he was a lot more tolerable in season 4, though.
LITERALLY, I HATED hopper in season 3, took all the enjoyable parts of him out of the story😭😭😭
Idk why they had to do that to hopper but it was the 80s so i guess it's realistic
@@Honeybunny_bunmost of the characters didn’t really act like “80s kids/people” if you really think about it. like Steve immediately accepting robin when she came out to him. the writers made a decision to make Steve more likable by not being homophobic, so I don’t see why they couldn’t have toned down the weirdness with hopper
Something I'll never understand, even as a fanfic editor myself, is why fanfic authors will go the route of bashing the characters they dislike in the stories they write. I mean, they have the option of "improving" the character so that they aren't as bad as they believe them to be, but instead choose to have them behave like caricatures of their canon selves while they undergo misfortune after misfortune.
Character bashing is just such an annoying trope...
Oh definitely. It's one of the reasons why I don't like the MLB fandoms because with a few exceptions, every character especially the main two Adrien and Marinette are demonized to death with ppl analyzing how they act, what they do, and how it makes this character in the wrong when it barely matters, just move along with the show.
Like I get the writing isn't good and the characters are weird, but you shouldn't go on hate rampages because this character didn't acted like you wanted to.
@@cookiecat3324 Exactly. Why not just, I dunno… not write Marinette as a stalker?
*Mind Blown*
@@whichcache2517 Yeah or not make Adrien into a assaulter?
Like seriously people, the world is your oyster in fanfic, you can go wild replacing all of the characters lamps but instead you spend your time saying why this character should be the antagonist and why they should be replaced with this other guy and just. Idk. Feels like ppl give so much crap to fictional characters that can't do anything.
@@cookiecat3324 Even characters like Genma Saotome or Danzo Shimura aren’t exempt from this, because even though they’re both assholes, it’s common for writers to strip away all the nuance before they’re just husks that inly exist to be ounching bags for the protagonists.
@@cookiecat3324 Anyhow, dunno if you’d be interested, but there is a crossover fanfic by an author I like (Crossoverpairinglover) called “Miraculous Demigods”, which crosses MLB with Percy Jackson and the Olympians. I dunno much about the ensorcelled ladybird show, so I can’t say much on how well the fanfic emulates the show, but if you’re ever curious, give it a look sometime (I’d link it, but you know, TH-cam hides comments with links).
The Red Shoes being Cheese Sandwich thing was kinda interesting actually. Red Shoes was originally an OC I think cuz the author couldn't think of anyone to ship Pinkie with. Then season 4 came out and we got Cheese Sandwich. The author liked him enough to retcon that Red Shoes WAS Cheese but under a different identity.
It makes sense plus cheese sandwich and pinkie pie are super cute together and there daughter lil cheese is super cute too
@@ennali8344 Lil cheese is actually their son not daughter! :3
@@UnexpectedCake oh ok
@@UnexpectedCake Ehhhh, it's a bit complicated because the actual writer of that episode said that since the character model was a filly model then the character was a filly, even if the script used he/him pronouns; but the showrunner stuck to the script genndering even though the episode itself does nothing to indicate it.
@@oneovertwo1186 I think he is also a boy in the comics
A few more things about this series!
1. Yep, the creator despises Rarity solely for the fact that she turned down Spike and ignored his advances. This was glossed over in the audio dramas, but the fanfics delve deeper into treating Rarity like she's pony Satan for rejecting Spike. She's constantly descried as being catty and jealous over everyone or is downright nasty and self-centered with her friend's problems, eg "Fluttershy is a total moron for not getting over her anxiety and not getting laid! It's ruining MY image!".
2. Red Shoes was retconned into being Cheese Sandwich under the Witness Protection Program because his ex went crazy after they broke up and kept stalking him. In a wacky turn of events, she was actually just trying to return his scarf to him the whooooole time! It's in one of the side-stories.
3. Rarity's weird racism isn't the only weird racism. In the fic, when Screwball says Mothball loves her, Twilight gets pissed off at her and snaps that it's been scientifically proven they cannot feel love. And in the fic, too, Chrysalsis says that the only reason Mothball has a heart is because his dad was a pony, not a changeling.
4. The creator wrote another fanfic where Rainbow Dash finds out she's asexual and she INSTANTLY becomes a raging homophobe that panics the second anyone thinks she's attracted to women and has a nightmare that The Gays are going to put her on trial for the cardinal sin of being asexual and force her into being a lesbian because... reasons...? Worth noting this fanfic is an **extremely old shame** for the author and in the final chapter she says she never actually wanted to finish it but felt the obligation to.
the asexual rainbow dash fic thing i never knew about and am like,, ouch, it sounds kind of like some kind of internalized struggle for the author put into a fanfic. honestly hope they're doing alright and is moving on from that
@@curley-clown They most certainly are, they are trying to better themselves as a person and I can't imagine they're too proud of the headspace they were in at that time.
With the Rainbow Dash coming out as asexual fic, I feel like the author at the time didn't know that being ace does not make them aromantic(most of the time at least)
The first one bit of a yikes considering that Spikes a minor, but I'm guessing the author might of figured that out later on
If I remember correctly too, wasn’t the reason Spike and AJ didn’t have a bio baby until way later was bc Celestia forbade them from ever having a bio kid due to being different species??
Rarity is my favorite Pony, so her being treated so poorly is genuinely upsetting
I think you should read fanfics where Rarity isn't treated like trash.
The title "Son-in-law of Discord" made me lose it. It sounds like a parody
I get it since everything before it has been ____ of discord, but it really does sound silly 😭
I was cackling from the title, imagine if they added ‘Electric Boogaloo’ to another fanfic of the series it would fit perfectly as a parody. 😂
SOD😂
ngl i hope SILOD is a thing i dont want this series to end
What i REALLY love about mothball's designs is that whenever he's disguised as a normal pony, the artists actually put thought into his cutie-mark. If you look carefully each time, his cutie-mark hints at him "being a mysterious pony" and that he's in a disguise. By far one of my most favourite details created by the artists!
I personally never understood the “dad hates whoever his daughter dates” like in the beginning he knew nothing aside from “he’s a boy who my daughter likes” those dads always were weird in sitcoms.
Also apparently in the og fanfic, applejack and spike got married when he turned 18?! 🤢
😭😭 noooooooo WHY
Ew
That is such a now-that-you're-older age to choose for marriage.
Applejack is a Groomer
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so interesting to compare the fandom’s general idealized versions of the adult cast’s lives compared to where they ended up in the actual finale-hardly anybody is coupled up, Pinkie Pie and Cheese Sandwich + Applejack and Rainbow Dash being the only ones who are expressly together/married, the former pair also being the only one to have had a kid at all. i really do like the way the finale subtly challenges the cultural status quo of what it means to be a fulfilled adult woman :)
Some people think fluttercord is canon at the end but thats all bias headcanon really. Still interesting how appledash ended up being canon tho
@@MILDMONSTER1234 AppleDash is also hinted, not confirmed. Overall there is a leaked scenario of some sorts in which it implies both are canon (I mean this and Fluttercord)
You have to realize that this was likely done because the writers didn’t want to shove some side character down people’s throats in the last episode of the series. Having a main character show up with some extra whom they didn’t have any buildup with would just be seen negatively. Not to mention any kids.
It’s just smart to not make any pairings unless they built up during your series. The series didn’t focus on romance, so it doesn’t make sense to shoehorn it in at the end. I personally felt like the Appledash hinting was unnecessary. Just let us decide whether any of the characters got married or not.
You’re so right actually
Flutters and Discord ended up together too lol
On Rarity being the punching bag of this series: I distinctly remember being 10 years old watching a QnA with the author (idk if it’s still on their channel), when they’re asked who their least favorite pony is. They respond saying that it was a tie between Rainbow Dash, and you guessed it, Rarity. Their reasoning being that Rarity often uses Spike and disregards his feelings for her. I wouldn’t be surprised if Rarity’s terrible life was the author’s way of getting their feelings out. Again this was YEARS ago, so idk if the video is still up, but it definitely happened.
Odd, i always interpreted as either her not knowing or spike just wanting to help her constantly
@@billyboleson2830 It is more up to interpretation, but then again how Rarity could have not see that Spike had a crush on her, considering it was painfully obvious
@{𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝒮𝒾𝓁𝓋𝑒𝓇 𝑀𝑜𝑜𝓃} But seem to have knew that Spike had a crush on her in the episode Secret of My Excess because she stopped Spike from telling her because he already knew, and I'm not sure being too busy will actually stop someone from seeing someone else having a crush on them.
@@thecartoonrewriter7064 I asssumed it was Rarity just being over dramatic so I assumed she didnt know for the longest time
@@MILDMONSTER1234 I'm not sure about that either because again it was painfully obvious.
Honestly, Screwball torturing and disfiguring her enemies is absolutely valid of her.
someone was bullied
@@olserknam someone wants to be disfigured
I wish I could do that to past awful people who treated others like trash
Might make a good war criminal
#justiceforgemstone rarity was my favorite character growing up and still is as a 20 year old she doesn't deserve this treatment by the author and neither does her kid
I'm loving that you still have the gemstone pfp for 11months love that
#justiceforgemstone
#justiceforgemstone for real
It's been two years and you still have that pfp, props to you honestly I don't think I'd have that much dedication
I remembered liking BOD, but looking back on it, it feels insulting to the healthy relationship Fluttershy and Discord share canonically.
True. Even if people are divided on shipping it, Fluttershy and Discord’s bond in the show is much better. He’s more calm, witty and not too over the top with his mischief aside from having his chaos be comedic. In the show he’s more respecting Fluttershy’s boundaries and interests, they just got such a wholesome bond.
In DOD and BOD, yeah it insists he’s changed but not showing how. I mean, MLP itself shown how he changed in a pretty straightforward way so I don’t know why they couldn’t have utilized it from the show. I definitely do not like how a lot of the relationships were toxic. The only fairly healthy relationship I can think of was SoarinDash, but yeah.
@@surraciddac170 in the show he isn't calm and when he was her friend he was manipulative but after the episode he knows that she is his friend and he gets over being manipulative but i think one thing in the BOD that he wasn't really......how to say this ehmmm developed he wasn't developed like our discord. our discord knew that he needed to change or he turn back to a stone and he didn't have friends and he was sad he will go back to being alone. in BOD he didn't change he was planning being evil no one changed him like the show until he took a bride wish he learned many things so gg
The way Rarity is characterized is disappointing. Poor Gemstone.
The creator hated Rarity for rejecting a kid lol so they have to characterize her the worse way possible
@@princkleminckle1159 Why would they demonize an adult rejecting a kid. Rarity was literally doing the right thing-
@@solarrrrrrrr ikr 💀
I remember when I was younger I felt bad for rarity and I still do. the thing she said to apple jack was racist and shitty but I feel as if the author wrote her and her situation that bad was because rarity didn’t acknowledge spike’s feelings. Y’know like a normal adult does ?
@@solarrrrrrrr thats kinda creepy in my opinion
Bro this author really made a grown woman marry a teenager but the gay ponies can’t get together 😭
i mean it emulates real life at the very least 😭😭😭
@@mistushipper NOOOOOO
Yeah 😭
Atleast according to one of the comments down here, it seems the author had some sort of internalised homophobia. Apparently there was a subplot in a fic (either DOD or a sequel) where Rainbow finds out she's ace and dreads ANYBODY thinking she's gay. Luckily though I think the author has improved and is doing better nowadays haha
@@IDontReallyWantATH-camHandle its set in the same universe but its seperate, its called “im not gay!”
Also I can’t take Chrysalis’ entire “revenge plot” seriously. I honestly can’t see her throwing a massive temper tantrum just because someone didn’t reciprocate her romantic feelings. Makes Starlight’s backstory look perfectly rational in comparison.
Chrysalis is just an incel in this lol
Also- the author, DF is a notorious jerk (that's putting it LIGHTLY) to their fans. Look at their replies to comments absolute rudeness, condescending attitude, and overall "better than you" tone. They also love to elaborate how they graduated as a major in creative writing and how they minored in relationship psychology. Considering the flaws of this fanfic thats maaaad ironic.
Thank you for saying this. I'm afraid to comment on her videos anymore because she snapped at me years ago when I was a literal child. I asked her about what asexual meant (because she mentioned being asexual) Funny enough I came out as asexual a few years after.
It doesn't take much effort to be kind, but clearly she thinks so.
@@pepperimps01 Fellow Ace here too 🖖
I get it. I've called her out directly a few times telling her to cool it with no response but I've seen other comments asking her what certain sexualities/gender identities mean with her clapping back with absolute rudeness. Heaven forbid someone educate themselves, right?
@@MordyMcCheese I get it to some extent that it can be annoying, especially since some people can be intentionally ignorant but I honestly didn't think she would reply.
I also can't imagine doing that to a fan? Like jeez😂
Also the author wrote a fanfic titled “I’m not gay!” Where rainbow dash is being attacked by gay people because she’s ace?????? Like bro wtf
@@crazypyp5871 big wince on that one 😬
19:30 the idea weird al would go out of his way to watch and sue a mlp fanfic audiobook is amazing
I know DF isn't a fan of Rainbow Dash and Rarity as characters but it really sucks to rewatch DoD and BoD sometimes cause they're really one-dimensional and out of character in my opinion, Rarity especially. And it leaks into how Gemstone is written. The story was just gunning for Rarity like when Applejack blew up on her for asking for relationship advice... and also the pony racism - like it's played for a joke but it makes it hard to sit through cause the canon characters are just morphed to fit whatever DF wanted the story to be, even if it goes against their character.
And she hates him for the weirdest reasons too lmao
I never actually got the impression DF doesn't like Rainbow Dash as well. I mean there's quite a lot of her character in it, she even voices her. Weird.
@@smart.but.stupid Apparently she's tied for Rarity as her least favorite pony
When you realize Fluttercord's marriage in DOD literally feels like "Daddy I can fix him/GIVE ME THE FORMULA KRABS."
Gotta commend your absolute genius comedic timing, talking about why how strange it was that the two fillies didn't get together as the Wikipedia header for queerbaiting slowly faded in on screen. A few good chuckles. The only exposure I had to either of this series was when an episode of DOD was randomly recommended to me, all the shipping stuff really isn't my thing so I never watched it at the time.
Aww thank you, but thay was the work of the editor. They really deserve the credit for a lot of the visual gags
@@Shunks I actually subscribed to thespio channel
I love the effort you put into researching old MLP stuff. I was big into the fandom as a teen. Daughter of Discord is one of my favorite audio drama. I know it's not perfect but I'm more focused on Screwball's story. Not the weird Applespike stuff. Can't wait to see what else you talk about.
Yeah that was 100% me a few years ago
@{𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝒮𝒾𝓁𝓋𝑒𝓇 𝑀𝑜𝑜𝓃} Yeah. It’s canon in this universe. Basically in this universe, Applejack is a literal p*do / groomer who has a crush on and even dates Spike (who is canonically a kid)
@{𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝒮𝒾𝓁𝓋𝑒𝓇 𝑀𝑜𝑜𝓃} was weird then is disgusting now
So I found out WHY Red Shoes is a Cheese Sandwich clone and it's THE MOST teenage fanfic author retcon plot twist explanation possible (that's not meant as an insult, btw, I mean that as in it gave me flashbacks to being 14 and writing the exact same type of thing).
So, according to TVTropes, in DF's later fic CMC: The Next Generation, it's revealed that "Red Shoes was actually Cheese Sandwich in disguise (which Pinkie knew about) because he was on the run from a crazy ex-marefriend (who happens to be Surprise, the G1 pony Pinkie Pie was based off of) who he believed was hunting him down (she was really just trying to return a scarf he left at her house)."
So, yeah, he is literally Cheese in a wig. Wild.
(Damn XD)
Not even a wig. Literally just hair dye
That’s so funny 😭
Rarity also killed my grandma, I'll never forget that unfaithful day in a furry aquatic park😔👊✨
DF whenever she writes rarity’s dialogue : “Because Rarity killed my grandma !”
Dang really? That’s crazy cuz that bitch killed my entire family and took my arm as a trophy. She even killed the dog :’(
😂😂😂
@@boomerangswingsbothways
“How did Rarity kill your grandma?”
23:20 out of all the call outs Rarity, instead of calling out Applejack for being in love with a literal *kid* .It had to be something else
calling out grooming? thats nono
lets write her out to be racist instead !!
like have your weird grudges against these fictional ponies ( which i find it weird how the creator hated rarity for rejecting spike ) but why make her racist 😭
How old is Spike when he gets together with Applejack? Did DF say that anywhere?
@@mariatwilightsparkle2593apparently a teenager i think one of the comments on this said it
@@mariatwilightsparkle2593 A comment said that in the original fanfic, it was when Spike was 18. This wasn't stated in the audio drama.
I despise the thing AJ and spike has going on,hes literally growing as the story progresses and it just feels so gross.Expesially the hinting of "waiting him to be older" at the beginning, its so p3dophilic, almost reminds me of grown man counting down the years of underage girls turning legal.
Disneyfanatic is a proshipper, I'm convinced
@@KaminoKatie Well we must keep in mind that these works are pretty old, might have not tought abaut it at all while making it. Im not sure if they recognize it at a problem today but i sure hope they do.
Yeah that's because that's exactly a pedo counting down the years.
@@KaminoKatie plus don't encourage the dumb pro/anti shipper thing, just say that you think they might be weird
@@tired_babra Fair point but she did an AppleSpike vid two months ago
I just got hit with MAJOR nostalgia cuase I remembered I did artwork for this series. It's not shown here but the scene where Dinky and is seen by Applejack's son during the dance is the scene I drew :3
Really?! That’s so cool do you have any social media where you post your art? I’d be curious to see how your art has evolved :)
Oh that scene was so cute!
Holy shit they turned Chrysalis into Reverse Flash. Frankly, I’m fucking here for it.
“HEY DISCORD REMEMBER WHEN CELESTIA CALLED YOU A FREAK? IT WAS *ME*, DISCORD, I WAS CELESTIA!”
“HEY DISCORD REMEMBER WHEN THE MANE SIX THOUGHT YOU WERE ATTACKING THEM?! IT WAS *ME*, DISCORD, I WAS THE ONE WHO MADE THEM THINK THEY WERE UNDER ATTACK!”
“HEY DISCORD REMEMBER WHEN THE BABY ACTED EVIL?! IT WAS *ME, DISCORD, I WAS THE BABY!”*
as a certified rarity lover, she did NOT deserve all that, her and apple jack get married in my head and adopt a child, gemstone is still there but is happily coparented by fancy pants and rarity
REAL!!!
I can’t get over Queen Chrysalis being named for the beautiful encasing a caterpillar undergoes its transformation inside of, and then her child is named after the smelly things old people put in their closets to keep moths away.
Laughed so hard at Rarity being racist out of nowhere that I choked on my spit
My biggest complaints -
(In no particular order)
- Applespike (the ship, not they're baby)
- the "domesticating" of Discord and Fluttershy (and all the mane 6)
- the forced gender roles/ stereotypes
- the implications of how Fluttershy and Discord got together in this series
- the Characterization of Rarity and Gemstone
- Gemstone having an eating disorder
- everyone treating Rarity and Gemstone like crap
- the character of AppleJack being a jealous snob towards Rarity when she just tried to ask her FRIEND for advice
- Redshoes should have just been cheese sandwich and the Tri pies. They were clearly an homage to characters like "Huey, duey and luey" but at least they were their own characters
(In the reboot anyway)
- Twilight getting a throw away line about getting dumped near the end felt cheap. We didn't even get to see her relationship
- the way the ONE gay ship in the story is the ONLY ship (aside from the main characters) that is complicated and the two get very limited screentime where they're actually just happy together
I'm sure there's more but those are the biggest ones off the top of my head
I really do respect the work the artists and the va's put in
I know projects like this take an insane amount of work, time and patience
It's just some of the writing choices that Disneyfanatic made really bothered me and clearly I wasn't the only one
Good point outs in your comment, it's good that you didn't called the author a bad writer or whatever, you just don't like the way she wrote her stories and your comment is just and respectful, it's something I kinda would think with my opinions.
Apparently red shoes was actually retconned to be cheese sandwich using a different name
So glad to see I'm not the only one who doesn't like the Applespike ship (Seriously, Who thought this ship was a good idea?!).
How old is Spike when he gets together with Applejack? Did DF say that anywhere?
@@mariatwilightsparkle2593 She never gives a specific/exact age (probably for a reason) So I'm not sure
At least not in the audio drama
There might be an exact age in the actual fanfiction but I've never read it and I don't plan on it
So I apologize but I don't know
I liked Daughter of Discord more than it’s predecessor since Screwy and Mothball’s relationship is a lot healthier compared to Discord and Fluttershy’s. There’s no kidnapping or deals involved as they simply start off as two good friends who’s relationship naturally develops as they grow up. You can see/feel more trust and respect between them than with Discord and Fluttershy, who’s dynamic still comes off as fragile and unstable.
Yeah, that’s one of my main reasons why even though I rewatch DOD a ton, a rarely ever rewatch BOD. It’s not fun to sit through in comparison
fr i just finshed binge watching BOD and DOD and DOD is much better its also more entertaining and yea i agree the relationships are much healthier is DOD compared to BOD not to mention we have dinky
This is one of those scenarios where I'm really curious how old the author was when she started this whole saga. To a young teenager, Applejack x Spike probably seems innocuous, because at that age, the age gap doesn't really sink in. I say this because I've seen teenagers ship characters with huge age gaps and then years later feel turned off due to that age gap. (One fic I read even had the author post an update after a three year hiatus saying that she started writing that fic when she was a young teenager, but now that she was actually eighteen-ish like the younger character, she realized how weird the 10+ year age gap was.)
But then again, a lot of bronies seemed to not fully realize that Spike was supposed to be a child, while the Main Six were fully functioning adults (well, maybe not "fully functioning").
Pretty sure the author wa 18 when writing the first one so ye teenager
I can relate, I loved Sparity as a kid but as an adult yeah no lmao. Then again for whatever reason most bronies think Spike is older then he actually is for some reason?
@@MILDMONSTER1234 I think it's because in the beginning of S1, the Mane 6 sounded like they were teens. Spike would still be a kid but the age difference might only be a couple of years.
That, and Spike does a lot. His personality and behavior are def that of a kid but everything he can do kind of obfuscated it.
But yeah I wasn't a huge Sparity shipper but I did think it was cute. Then I sat down and was like hm. He's a child and she's clearly an adult with her own business and all.
@@MILDMONSTER1234 same I was rooting for spike to get rarity when I was younger
18
This series got way too "The Straights Aren't Okay" for me very quickly. I think I stopped watching it around ep 5.
THIS. this is why i couldn’t get into fanfics during the early mlp era skxmsmmx
what do that means?
@@highbahamut6188 Basically, toxic and unhealthy stereotypes and tropes surrounding straight characters/relationships that are presented as normal and okay. Some examples of this include: a lack of communication in a marriage leading to spousal arguments and misunderstandings that aren't properly resolved, an emphasis on dating members of the opposite sex as well as getting married and having lots of children asap, and pervading ideas of being straight being the only valid way to live one's life and be happy.
The long running series that that inspired all these stereotypes and tropes is called _Society_ btw.
@@That_One_Xatu "married and having lots of children asap," thats not a bad thing.
@@highbahamut6188 In itself it's not a bad thing but when it's portrayed as *the only way* it becomes toxic. It makes people internalize that they should do it even if they may not want to. So a piece of media like this one where every character end up married with children gives up the impression that life is all about these things and nothing else. And when you don't want kids/have tokophobia or simply isn't straight, it can feel like big pressure.
it still irks me so bad that after EVERYTHING the other couples went through that were way more toxic and even abusive, they still kept most, if not all of the straight relationships together while aquafresh and that other girl were "just too diffewent :,("
like- THATS where they draw the line??? the ONLY queer relationship, hell even MENTION in the entire series is the one that they have a bad ending for. i call bullshit on that part to this day lmao
The only reason why Lighting and Aquafresh didn't get together is because she has a prejudice against Screwball
@@KaminoKatie From what I've read in the comments it seems that the author made a fanfic where Rainbow Dash has nightmares about gay ppl killing her for being ace so maybe (at the tine at least) it was mire than Screwball
It wasn't because they were too different. It was because the other girl said that they needed their significant other to be okay with their friends as well as her, especially those like Screwball who have been in the girl's life since they were little fillies. She can't be with someone that does not get along with her friends. She stated a need the other could not meet at that point in time and the other pony accepted it. They could still get together later on (and probably will) since they still like each other, but at the moment they agree that they are better off as friends. Not really a bad ending, but not really a happy one either. I do think they could have done this dynamic with a straight couple instead of the only queer one.
@@lilyofthevalley3059 Actually its because the author had internalized homophobia but go off I guess. And before you try to argue with me, the author literally said in the comments of the BOD video that they were homophobic while writing these and remained that way until they came out
@@AeonKnigh432 Wasn't going to argue with you, just didn't know about that fact. I just went with what happened at the end of episode 8 of daughter of discord, when they had that conversation about their relationship (or my memory about that conversation, since apparently Screwball was more like family rather than just a friend which I remembered upon re-watching that scene). Based on that I disagreed with the interpretation of them not getting (or staying) together being because they were too different and them not getting (or staying) together being a bad thing (since I firmly believe that it's important to communicate your needs and boundaries to your significant other and make it known if they are not being fulfilled so you can come up with a solution, I don't think breaking up but remaining friends is a bad ending).
It's good to know they got over their homophobia and interesting to learn more about what went on behind the scenes. I still view that scene as a neutral ending (or an indefinite pause if you read into the whole being just friends until they are in a place for something more thing) to the relationship that wasn't because they were too different even if it wasn't intended like that.
Sorry for the wall of text, my tired brain (can't fall asleep for some reason) for some reason had much to say about a show (not really sure about the correct definition so it's a show for now) I haven't watched since it came out.
I'm really happy you covered this one too because I only watched this series despite finding out there was one before it. It's a bit nostalgic but yeah I did not think about the Spike thing very much. And I totally get the crying thing, I felt the same way when I was little!
Yeah 100%
I was never interested in any kind of fluttercord content, but I honestly love your videos and soothing voice so I can tell you I am excited for this.
Trivia from BigApplePie, original BoD Discord voice:
-Fluttershy telling Discord to sleep on the couch, was a joke between Mary Medley & I back in our BoD days. I came up with the line because believe it or not, I CAN SOUND LIKE FLUTTERSHY. But of course, it sounds better when Mary did it. I am happy the inside joke was included in the sequel.
-Speaking of which, I originally wanted to audition for Fluttershy in DoD as a joke, but refrained, and glad I did. Plus what if were the best pick? Weeeiirrrd.
-I reprised my Big Mac role in the final episode doing some eeeyups, nopes, and a scream.
-I lent my vocals in the finale song.
-I'm not sure if in the original fanfic, Chrysalis and Discord had a thing for each other, so this may be true or not. The idea MAY have been borrowed from my BoD blooper reel when I joked on occasion about Discord having a previous relationship with Celestia or Chrysalis.
-DaWillstanator aka Thespio and I share the same number of episodes as Discord for a total of 10 each. Me: Bod 1-9 + April Fools BoD episode. Thespio: BoD 10, DoD 1-8 + April fools DoD episode.
-Thespio is a great replacement, and a great dude, and I don't want anyone to hate him simply for the reason that he's not me. Only criticize his own performance.
So frustrating that you're so underrated in the comments, though you was the Discord's original VA. :(
@@CannoliSlugYT I appreciate you taking the time to find this comment of mine.
I have question for you, did your cousin DF really matured later? Cuz I feeling unease after I read a comment from MordecaiApo right here, where they called her a "notorious jerk", if you find this comment in the commentary.
@@CannoliSlugYT I wouldn't know we haven't spoke in 3 years.
@@MegaAniLinkFan oh okay.
I want to rewrite Bride and Daughter of Discord, just to get rid of the Applespike. (Though having less abusive fluttercord would also be there too). And yes Gemstone should have more time in the story #JusticeForGemstone
Don't be shy, send us the link when you're done 👁️👁️
@@i.r.3016 I wasn't sure if anyone would want to read it, but I'll have it on ao3. I am just rewatching the earlier seasons so I don't mess up the characterizations
@@iristhorne2536 ooooo alrighty alrighty! It would be amazing if you actually do it!
Let me read thisss please 🥺
@@iristhorne2536 oo vry cool, i havent watched bride of discord because it didnt really interest me but i have watched Daughter of Discord several times since it was made! Whats your AO3 story called ill read it! :3
Looking back at how discord was written he seems to be the stereotypical “my daughter can NEVER date a boy EVER” father figure it feels like the author didn’t really know how to write the conflict between discord and mothball and just end up making him yell at screwball the whole time. Kind of disturbing that I was watching this at 12 and didn’t see many red flags.
Thank God I'm not the only one who gets uncomfortable when there's babies crying in media.
I had a nextgen comic when I was a teenager, and I mostly wrote it because I was working through issues I had with my mom and the pressures she put on me, so I wanted to explore how the CMC might approach raising THEIR kids and the concept of “destiny” given their own fixation on cutie marks. I made only the nextgen kids that were directly relevant, and didn’t even pick fathers for any of them. A lot of canon characters never had families. But when I launched the series, I got a TON of questions about WHO the fathers were???? What are [x character]’s kids like? Which kids do you ship with each other??
And as someone who was never into shipping it baffled me. Now I understand that most nextgen stuff was pretty shipping-driven… so the over-reliance on it in this doesn’t surprise me at all.
That's actually an interesting approach and inspiration for a nextgen story. But of course, those people care too much about shipping to actually think about the story that they're reading/watching.
One of the few people who actually sees the bigger picture when it comes to next gen stories
Honestly I feel the same way
Initially I started my MLP next gen as an excuse for shipping, but nowadays it's more an exploration of what the Mane 6 would be like as parents
Honestly? I wrote a nextgen fanfic for myself and didn't even make any of the mane 6 parents (except for Rarity and Applejack), I came up with new mane 6 that are not related to the previous mane 6 at all, and it was honestly really refreshing
That's a pretty interesting and original take on a gen story story
ok, the queerbaiting pisses me off so much bc it's- it's *fanfiction!*
there's no practical, cold blooded show-biz reason for them to queerbait the audience. they could've just let the one gay couple in an ocean of straights be together but nnnnope, can't have that apparently
The author actually commented on this video and said that she had internalized homophobia. Still sucks
@@boomerangswingsbothways well at least admitted it, meaning that she knows it’s a problem. And hopefully had grown out of it.
@@ignatius929 I think she has but not about apple spike. She made a video on love a few months ago and apple spike was the thumbnail.
For some reason as soon as I saw Chrysalis with her son during the intro, I immediately thought of Lion King 2. I can only assume that's because there are only, like, three next-geration Disney sequels and only one has a next-gen character who's related to the originals villain in some way and the main character's age, but my jaw still dropped when I realized that's the direction it was going in. Felt a little psychic lol
I agree that the shipping and next gen children in this story got way out of hand. I also found myself not too happy with Discord's behavior, whether it's his excessive yelling in anger or his sudden lack of trust in Fluttershy when he gets tricked by the changelings. I mean, the two have been married for over a decade now so you'd think Discord would know better than to fall for a ploy like that since he knows his wife, and the fact that there was already a changeling sighting not that long ago.
I also didn't like the scene where Discord is unsure if Screwball is actually his until she displays her chaotic powers. I can't help but think how shallow that was when he pointed out how the baby didn't resemble either of them and switching to fawning over his daughter once she shows she does have his powers. I mean, what would've happened if Screwball didn't have any powers? Sorry for the mini rant, but that scene just really bugs me.
Yeah :/
I feel like scene when he was asking if screwball was his, was just for comedy purpose
@@FreshZCORD That’s another problem; they play it off as a joke like it was okay
He was so much more mature and smarter in the show.
@@RedMoonSolitaryMostly. There were some times he was an idiot. And frustrating.
It's really funny that Screwball and Mothball's ship name could just be Balls
I knew about the whole 'theory' of screwball being Discord's daughter but I just thought it was like just that. Never knew about the fic or audio drama.
Also, as someone who was REALLY into all the next gen stuff and did a ton of that, this one almost feels like the.. straight -kinda home0phobic- person next gen AU lmao
The author is asexual actually
@@KaminoKatie How ironic…..kinda strange…………………
@@Barakon She's a proshipper, I'm convinced
@@KaminoKatie apparently the author still ships applespike so yea probably
@@KaminoKatie That doesn't have much correlation, if at all. Anyone can perpetuate homophobia regardless of their sexuality, interests, etc.
ok few things:
1. this is a great video about a series i binged a lot as a kid and i will definitely check out your other videos
2. i have a raging hyperfixation on lego batman at the moment. when you had mentioned the background ponies and went “lego batjokes?!” i screamed so much that i cried and almost threw up from laughing. i had never realized they were in the bg of an episode (to be fair i haven’t seen the series in a few years) but thank you for pointing it out in (to me ) a very funny way. i was so loud that my whole family got so worried and thought i was dying.
Lego Batman goes hard so I can't blame you
I love Lego Batman so much, the absolute shock I felt when I heard the words “Lego Batjokes” made me scream
I almost died...
The way I physically couldn’t cope with the fact they didn’t make a pony and changling love story in the actual mlp show is crazy 😭😭 I wanted mothball and screwball to be real so badly
This is so weird because in BoD , when Applejack was talking to Rarity about Spike in the forest when they were helping Fluttershy to get to Discord, she showed no signs of not returning Spike's feelings because he was a dragon. She never at any point went ' ugh I would never be with a dragon', so the whole racist-ish thing seems very random.
Also yeah. Discord is not a yeller. Dramatic, loud, chaotic, yes. But yelling, anger and outright physical violence were never really his thing. It was one of the reasons I found him to be so cool in mlp.
It weirded me out that he got mad so often in BoD, and it's even more out of character here, and it just makes him unlikeable. His way of dealing with Mothball in the story, in particular, doesn't feel like his style at all.
It lowkey is kinda disappointing that AJ doesn’t get mad at Rarity for being racist about AJ and Spike’s relationship and family-
I remember asking the author about Red Shoes and they just told me to go read the fanfic they'd written that explained it. But I don't rly care about Pinkie Pie x Cheese Sandwich and the fic was long so it felt like quite a demand of be able to understand everything in DoD. But they outright refused to just tell me.
Kinda feels like how the MCU's becoming harder to get into bc u have to consume every movie and TV show to not get confused about stuff.
Cheesepie isn't the center focus of that fic but I can explain. Red Shoes was Cheese Sandwich who created a false identity to hide from his ex.
@@pepperimps01 thank you for your service 🙏
Why didn’t DF just tell you that instead of just sending you off to read her really long fic ? Kinda shitty
@@pepperimps01 yeah I was told about that by another fan back in the day.
I'm just irritated that the author refused to tell me back in the day when directly asked.
@@TindraSan Honestly I'm not surprised, the author was always standoffish to their fans. Dunno if they're the same tho
I thought it was interesting that you never mentioned that fluttershy got a new voice actress, I remember when the casting call dropped the entirety of MLP VA youtube was scrambling to get the role
also yes, there was a whole community for it
Oh yeah, I remember the original VA for Bride was not going to come back, then she did, but she dropped it because she felt bad and wanted to give others a chance. I think she was still in Daughter as Apple Bloom?
21:12 its absolutely a ship thing. I know how these people think ...ive been around enough Rarijack vs Sparity ship war discussion to get an idea of whats up
So that's why Screwball looks the way she does. When I fist saw her I was like "wtf, she looks nothing like Fluttershy or Discord?"
Chaotic genetics. Though Fluttershy did say Screwball shared a race and purple coat from one of Fluttershy's parents or grandparents.
@@ApricityGlow Ikr? If I wanna make a OC child of a shipp, I'd make the OC child has some traits of their parents but with their own traits that came from both parents' families or has just their own.
I watched DOD a while ago while I was still very much in my MLP phase. I still am in the MLP fandom but I can draw humans now. I remember making a fanfic where Screwball and one of my mary sue OC's were best friends. I don't remember much about the actual story.
I remember watching this when I was younger and not getting into Screwball’s friend group that much. I love the idea of the Mane 6’s children being friends, but what put me off was the romances and just how pointless and dull they were. Like, they set up who had a crush on who, so I was just waiting for them to get together, not out of interest of investment, but because I wanted to be done with the painful “will they / won’t they” and cliche pinning tropes. It took a few years of getting past my internalized homophobia to realize that Aqua Fresh and Lightning Dash were the best developed couple, just because they waited awhile until getting there and also provided some actually interesting drama
Also, I thought that Gemstone’s dieting was a result of living in Canterlot. Like, I was waiting for her to come out of her shell a bit and whatnot. I think they did this in the fanfic a bit towards the end, but I can’t be sure.
Also #JusticeForGemstone or whatever
Okay, kind of a longshot that you'll ever see this, but I would absolutely LOVE a video like this about Turnabout Storm. I haven't seen that get talked about in ages but I feel like my brain puts it in the same category.
Turnabout storm is big and well known enough that it's not off the table for me to do a video on
im honestly suprised that there isnt a princess trixie sparkle retrospective yet, that was a big part of my childhood.
I was really into this series when I was in middle school and I don’t know if anyone said it yet, but there’s a spin-off about the younger kids (Pie triplets, Gemstone, and Prism) called CMC Next Gen and there’s a chapter about Red Shoes actually being Cheese Sandwich in hiding. Red Shoes was made to be a love interest for Pinkie as he didn’t exist yet, and DF wanted to add Cheese in later. She even had a Cheese voice for Red Shoes to support this when the audio came out. It’s been a long time but I think this is right.
Hell naw they fucking QUEERBAITED THE HORSES
i'm sorry i lost it laughing when I heard the *squeak* and zoom in on my old art of mothball having crys's hoof over him. Help him he's being crushed!
God its been years since I last looked at my old MLP art that was done back then. But this was an enjoyable video to watch and brought back good memories and valid points. I personally wasn't a huge fan of aj and spike. but I did greatly enjoy working on the scenes for the 2 episodes I did do back then (crys and discord seeing each other when defending their kids. and The rain of bricks on gold digger)
while it was fun to work on the art i did do. I did and still sometimes d0 look back on it and see the bits where i was personally uncomfortable or not a fan of certain elements. Luckily i never had art assigned for scenes of parts i wasn't a huge fan/comfortable with. Still this analysis brings back good memories and was a great video to watch!
Ooh could you timestamp your old art lol?
@@Nerodotnet 12:16 I was the artist who made discord have more draconic features and a much larger mouth
I actually started off with Daughter of Discord. And that was my SHIT as a kid.
SAme
SAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hating my favorite pony AND ruining her made up daughter's life,, that's rough.
Son-in-law of Discord explores Chrysalis and Discord’s background a lot more than DOD did.
And trixie (who is a changeling) had a kid with iron will..
@@sueblue2464 hey no need for the spoilers bud. Lol
@@sueblue2464 WHAT
@@endercreeperisbeliever2363dude the fic has been out for almost a decade 😭
bruh finally my girl gemstone getting the recognition she deserves. even when I first saw the fanfic when I was like 10 I’ve always liked gemstone and her design. justice for her.
Fun fact, the Make A Wish kid is actually a friend of mine! They're currently a staff along with me in an online brony convention. I admittedly got really excited hearing that they were in this
5:03 Wow, so I’m not the only one. Kid’s shows with crying in them always put me on edge.
"but like chuck norris, she saw through his clever disguise" THAT CAUGHT ME SO OFF GAURD I WAS WHEEZING
SHE DID THE VIDEO, LETS GOOOOOOOO
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Honestly I first read this fic when it first came out years ago (So back then I didn't really think much of the problematic Applespike shipping since I was still a teen myself at the time) The big thing that always irked me about the story was how Discord did such a 180 turn when he thought Fluttershy was cheating on him, even though he literally saw a changeling the night before, knows how they are, and yet STILL doesn't even slightly question what he saw?? God and the fact that he didn't even let Fluttershy explain herself and just up and went to start causing more chaos just brings a bad implication that it's supposed to be Fluttershy's sole responsibility to keep him controlled... It just kinda makes the whole character development that Discord supposedly went through with making friends with everyone else and not just Fluttershy and the fact the he'd turn on them all so quickly for a misunderstanding...
I'm just glad with all the literal babymaking going on here no one has made the pun "Dicks-cord" yet
The entire applespike thing reminds me of this lady on tiktok who said she met her husband when he was 15 and now he’s 18 and she’s 24 and has three kids with him 😭
oh god
@@badatthegame1333 worst part is she’s probably older and just lying cuz she said they met when he was 15 and she was 23 so she’s probably closer to 30 than 20💀
reminder that while he doesn't appear in the drama, in the fanfic it shows that dinky's dad is doctor whooves. i don't know why he didn't appear in the drama but in the fanfic it gives a reason he's not exactly in dinky's life, fighting daleks (I'm not making this up it literally name drops daleks) also mothball's dad was a pony
Actually in the audio drama, Derpy states in the very beginning what happened to him. When Rarity asked her what happened to him while she was looking at her baby in the hospital, she said that "One of his experiments went wrong and he got sucked into a time vortex." This was a throwaway line and it's treated like a joke with her saying immediately after "Oh well. That's the way the muffin crumbles sometimes." As far as I can tell (since I haven't watched the whole thing myself), we never see him throughout the entire thing and his absence was just hand-waved in a throwaway gag.
I remember being so hyped for the last episode to be released, and then Chrysalis's motive made me cackle with laughter 🤣
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This probably gets pointed out at some point in the video but I find it odd that Screwball has the ability to tell when a changeling is disguised as someone else but Discord can't. When I started this video and we see this ability for the first time, I just assumed she inherited it from her dad (I barely know anything about MLP so forgive me if is canon that he can't tell regular characters from changelings disguising as them). It feels like a contrived reason to have Discord get mad at Fluttershy for supposedly cheating on him. And idk but wouldn't someone as powerful as Discord be able to share some of the same powers as his own kid? Does the genetics for Discord's species make it so that their powers are random and not inherited? Idk man
To be fair, she only realized mothball was a changeling because she knew he was lying, but it is pretty odd that discord never picked up on any of it
She can't tell when someone is an imposter unless they lie to her, that's why she didn't see the queen was pretending to be her brother, because the baby didn't talk.
@@esteicy98 that and her magic was being drained from her lol
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23:45 Honestly I've never felt more like a poorly edited Shunks on a chair while rewatching this series. It's just so good and bad at the same time lol. Like people can totally have their rightfully annoyed gripes on this series, I've certainly got my own, but watching this is just such a guilty pleasure.
Samee man. I just end up skipping the bad parts
I love these episodes basically being maps. It's such a cool idea
Man I haven't been into MLP in years but I get so stoked any time you post
I think dod is better than bod but about gemstone “quirk” an eating disorder is not quirky honestly what is was the writer‘s thinking when she thought it would be quirky hopefully she learns that it’s not “quirky” and is a serious issue
I honestly thought I was the only one who thought Discord was off in terms of personality. As you pointed out, we’ve only seen him get angry once or twice in the canon show (one of the times being when he found out that Fluttershy was kidnapped by the changelings)
It’s especially off when Discord gets riled off upon hearing that Screwball has a crush without even knowing that said crush is a changeling, again, as you pointed out.
I watched your BOD video a few days ago and was especially looking forward to you covering DOD because I actually did some art for this series as a teenager. I had kinda forgotten that I did until I saw your BOD video pop up in my recommendations. I agree with all of your critiques-- especially the AppleSpike thing and Discord's very problematic actions. It's very surreal looking back on this project all of these years later as an adult who knows better now. I do remember really enjoying making art for this project, even if looking at all my old art makes me cringe now lol.
Also BTW I've been binging your channel for most of this week- you're so funny and I regularly get into laughing fits when I watch your videos! I appreciate your kindhearted nature and I can't wait to see more!
Gotta be honest, Discord’s actor here is really running circles around John de Lance’s performance.
Daughter of Discord is really nostalgic to me, even with it's flaws. I cringe at some moments in the story and, like an old lady watching a soap opera, yell at the screen to the characters about dumb things they are doing. But to me, that's what makes it even more fun to watch 😂
I’m a HUGE mothball fan so maybe I’m biased, but I really would have liked some of the energy that was put towards the side ships and filler to be put towards developing his character more. I mean, for a love interest, and supposedly secondary protagonist, he only has about an hour and fourty five minutes of screen time, out of the five hour audio drama (calculated by BeizerBallad on FiMfiction). Obviously the time skip and the fact that mothball couldn’t get out to see screwball doesn’t help this, but a little more development with him would have been great. There’s a scene In the fic which explains how he got Zany back from the Changelings, which got replaced with him explaining it quickly in the audio drama, but I feel like that would have been nice to see. Some more development on his and chrysalis’s relationship would have been cool too. Sure, there’s a decent amount of scenes with him, but it would still have been neat to actually see him a bit more.
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It was explained somewhere.
The fic was written before Cheese was introduced, but the audiodrama was made after.
So instead of replacing Red Shoes with Cheese, the more obvious ship, they retconned it as Red Shoes being Cheese Sandwich, but with a backstory of needing to hide his identity for some silly reason.
I think DF already name dropped Pinkie's husband, but he was such a minor part of the original Daughter of Discord, she just made him look and sound like Cheese in Audiodrama, and even she wrote a funny backstory about why Cheese would use a disguise to live in Ponyville with Pinkie. It's worth reading, even if the story where this is from wasn't finished.
I love how I legitimately applauded along with when Chrysalis entered
The implication that Discord fucks has ruined my life...
and to make matters worse, its eight times a week according to son in law of discord 💀
@@judescardan WHAT!? Fluttershy must be really horny if she allows that.
@@judescardan W H A T