I like the video, but allow me one constructive feedback: edit out the ChatGPT bs phrases. "The numbers? They are impressive", "Real game changer" etc. The endless repetition of these phrases makes it really hard to watch the video.
Lol, and in North America we talk about how these amazing bubble dome chairs are now getting installed. Yeah, there is a reason why I stopped flying west and started flying east for my ski trips. Whistler you can keep your $150 lift tickets and 4/6 pack chairlifts for yourself. I'll be sitting in my cozy gondola in France or the 4 stop subway in ski town of Serfaus with my kids (yes really, the ski town has a subway), not listening to them whine about being cold.
Yes, you have crazy ski prices in USA now. I remember paying 40 dollars per day in mid 90s in Vail and Beaver Creek. However USA and Canada have so much more snow. If you like powder forget Europe unless you bribe lift operators to allow you on the lift with restaurants supplies first thing in the morning.
@@AndrewFedyszak I'd actually challenge that on a practical level. Yes Canada and the US get much more and better snow than the Alps. BUT, in Canada resorts like Whistler see powder skied out in a matter ofhours. By noon almost all the powder is very chopped up. At most resorts in the Alps you ski mostly untracked snow days after a snowfall, often just a few hundred feet from a marked run. They just don't have a same back country culture. This also comes with cons, mainly that off-piste ski is not avalanche controlled. If you are on steep terrain and are more than 100' froma marked run you better be informed.
The US corporate vultures to suck every dime from skiers are coming to Europe. Started at Andermatt. They will what will seem to pay over the odd to get resorts then squeeze control and prices, vultures
Still prefer sitting on a chair with a heated seat and a pull down screen to taking off skis and shuffling onto a crowded smelly telecabin with a load of other people.
Wow! The Jandry Express climbs the equivalent of both the 2 world's tallest towers, Burj Khalifa and Merdeka 118, with their spires, on top of each other... Or 3 times the Taipei 101 tower... The Transarc gondola being replaced by a new, more efficient, and faster, but also more conventional gondola is great, but I'll always keep the original one in my mind.
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Pretty impressive how they build those new gondola lines in very demanding conditions. We are talking here too serious investments , which are needed in order to be competitive . Thank U for this informative video 👍. It was eye opening.
I'll be at Les Arcs and Val d'Isere the coming winter, cant wait I hope they built that Saalbach Xpress lift to Viehofen in the near future, it has been silent over a year now
I was skiing at Schilthorn today with the new gondola the copper station design and the gondola design are very nice. The first section feels like a slightly tilted elevator.
Long high telecabins may be OK to gain height at the beginning or end of the day or to link between ski areas but despite the high tech hype, I still prefer sitting on a chair with a heated seat and a pull down screen for the cold to the disruption of taking off skis and shuffling into a crowded smelly telecabin with a load of other people and then having to mess around putting skis back on. Large telecabins disgorge their load in one go making pistes crowded, whereas chairs disgorge a steady stream.
When i was working next to Bern 1970/71 i could see the Lights of the JungeFrau , JungeFrau Joch and the Shilt Horn ... on a clear Mountain Night Amazing View lol ha ha ha ha Now from time to time i Teach snow sports in the Val d' Aosta and Val 'd Ayas 😂 such amazing Regione .. Pila Wow amazing up Grade yes That double above the Golf Course a test just to get on the olde double chair to the summit 😂 However a wonderful area for beginers and amazing next area not to mention the long Woodland trail that Guaranted strong turning after 5km of continuos turning lol 😂😂😂😂😂
Fantastic information video. The new lifts are truly innovative and certainly pushing the boundaries! Would love to try them all but Pila was my favourite because the architecture of the building at the top is incredible!
Amaizing engineering, as an engineer I love this stuff :-). But the more bodies you get up the more there are to come back down. After all what goes up must come down. This will just equate to even more crowded pistes, because as we know motorways only serve to generate even longer queues at the ends of them!
This is so true! Good for the mountains that offer riding down to the villages, for those where you have to download via a lift it could be a long wait.
Great video - you missed out the new St Gervais infrastructure. We have a brand new lift straight from the train station in Le Fayet which now runs 365 days a year and links to another brand new gondola up to St Gervais le Bettex. The lift from the valley floor will significantly reduce car journeys up the hill to St Gervais.
@@FreeFlyerUk 🤣🤣🤣 I'm sure the mayor of St Gervais wants to keep it quiet too!!!! Agree parking will be challenging - the farm road needs tarmacing so one way in and one way out - the climbing centre clients will need to time their exit carefully.
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This is a good point indeed. Transporting more people up on the peaks will inevitably lead to a bigger environmental footprint, since they will ski or hike down, leave their garbage, get off the trails, ... However, I'm glad they do this in places that already have such an infrastructure. It will keep visitors concentrated in some areas and not impact untouched areas.
It gets to the point where such connection is not really useful. It would take so long to get to another resort that when you are there, you need to come back right away
I can confirm the gondola system in Flims/Laax is completely over engineered- Took as an hour and half to get up to Nagens and worse after doing a short run, we had to again get on the new lift, which took another hour just to get up the next station. The chairlifts were much faster
You should talk about the new gondola replacing the cable car in Campitello, val di Fassa, Italy. It's an hybrid and the capacity will be more than doubled with the new project.
It's Shilt-horn not Shil-thorn! But the thing that really gets me about this video is the amount of money resorts are spending at a time of uncertainty about the future of skiing in Europe.
@@Rainyfeels Indeed, the two Swiss projects presented are almost as important for summer tourism as for the skiing crowds. Flims-Laax has heavily invested in it's mountain biking infrastructure, while Lauterbrunnen-Mürren-Schilthorn is a renowned destination for base jumpers and Instagramers all year round. Both are rather snow safe, additionally, so there will be a few more decades of skiing before this crowd will dry up.
Hi, nice video thanks, but the les arcs one seems very misleading. first, the old lift is the transarc which goes from 1800 to the aiguille grive. you keep showing the upper cable car up to aiguille rouge. different mountain. the old transarcs was slow but 20 minutes? i dont think so. there is no 360 panorama at the top. the aiguille grive is in the way. i dont know the new arrangement, but the escalators dont go to the actual lift itself, just the ticket office, but i could be wrong. but it is looking like a goodlift. it will still be busy and the ticket office will be slow because of the workers and cofusing system. ill post back in 6 weeks when i am there.
Maybe i'm in the minority, but i can't stand gondolas. I don't like the hassle of having to get skis off for a start, then there is the fact you are in a small bubble with a load of other people all breathing the same air, making a flu like infection far more likely during your holiday. When was that a problem recently...? And if you need a heated seat, your gear is not good enough for the conditions. The other issue herein is the number of bodies going up. This is making overcrowding a signficant problem. If you simply replace all the older lifts with higher capacity, without adding new lifts and opening up lots new terrain in so doing, there are too many people at pinch points making accidents far more likely.
wow. you;d HATE Kronplatz over in the Dolomites. its a lovely resort and great ski area but almost entirely served by Gondolas. nothing quite like it. about 80-90% gondolas ! yes there's a time for skiing straight onto a chair. and taking your skis off at all runs a bit over the top. but i much prefer a gondola to sit in and relax. tho 90% of all lifts gondolas is over done. nice resort tho.
@jimbosaul3996 Well i may not hate the resort it would depend on the quality of the skiing really. I do use these lift types in 3 Valleys where I usually ski but not most of the time. Only normally when it's a powder day 😎 cause you can access certain really nice off piste areas via a few gondolas or the cable car at Val Tho. But other than that I avoid them 👍 There are more than enough chairs though. Just wish they hadn't replaced the morraine chair in VT with a gondola used to use it regularly, now hardly ever.
Gondolas are more versatile however and can be used year around for hikers, base jumpers, mountain bikers and cargo transport. T-bars can practically only be used in the winter (there's some experimental projects using them as lifts for mountain bikes also), and while most chairlifts can be used by hikers, it's difficult to load bikes or cargo.
I like all these projects and support the marvellous engineering behind them. But let’s stop saying, “it’s reducing its environmental impact.” We can call them more efficient or modern, but I get sick when operators feel the need to label their projects as “green” for political reasons. For example, pylon reductions in Val d’Isère is more aesthetic and nature-friendly, but it’s not “greener.” On-demand system in Laax is certainly more efficient, but not “green.” These developments want to increase their accessibility, not reduce it. And let’s not talk about the thousands of tons of concrete, massive mountaintop buildings, huge station groundwork, and larger, faster gondolas-all of which are meant to increase sport activity year-round, not diminish it.
We're also talking about people litteraly flying around the globe in very carbon-emissive planes... Which then complain when the snow gets worse with every season🤦
I find the heated seats thing a little odd. We are all dressed for the outdoor conditions - so why would I need heat when sat in a sheltered gondola? And as for the explosion of gondolas over chair lifts........not sure I like it.
Glad they are investing, but what about the global warming. This januari the valleys in the alps sees temperature of 10 degrees for several days in a stretch. I guess only high alltitude slopes will cope with this.
Half of this is just standard gondolas, nothing special about them. Even the 3S in Les Deux Alps isn't that special anymore, plenty of those already exist. The only special instalations are the ones at Mürren and Flims (opend over a year ago).
you might have mentioned the new lift over at La Plagne up to their Glacier. got lots of eco about it. They shut some other areas of the glacier access and opened up a new station up top. pretty schmick. only opened last season... or maybe it might only be open for this season. either way pretty new. i think its also 6m p/s.
I like the video, but allow me one constructive feedback: edit out the ChatGPT bs phrases. "The numbers? They are impressive", "Real game changer" etc. The endless repetition of these phrases makes it really hard to watch the video.
I just lack pace, it's like if he was reading it from the official release.
@@dcx45 There is a skill to writing for "Television". Most of the stuff on YT is what I call "Radio with Pictures"
And the odd pronunciation of quite a few words.
Agree. Everything was ‘revolutionary’ with ‘the numbers’ attached. Bit dull.
Lol, and in North America we talk about how these amazing bubble dome chairs are now getting installed. Yeah, there is a reason why I stopped flying west and started flying east for my ski trips. Whistler you can keep your $150 lift tickets and 4/6 pack chairlifts for yourself. I'll be sitting in my cozy gondola in France or the 4 stop subway in ski town of Serfaus with my kids (yes really, the ski town has a subway), not listening to them whine about being cold.
In the US, new is - we replaced a 1980s HS Quad with a HS 6 Pack..... for $200+/day
Yes, you have crazy ski prices in USA now. I remember paying 40 dollars per day in mid 90s in Vail and Beaver Creek. However USA and Canada have so much more snow. If you like powder forget Europe unless you bribe lift operators to allow you on the lift with restaurants supplies first thing in the morning.
@@AndrewFedyszak I'd actually challenge that on a practical level. Yes Canada and the US get much more and better snow than the Alps. BUT, in Canada resorts like Whistler see powder skied out in a matter ofhours. By noon almost all the powder is very chopped up. At most resorts in the Alps you ski mostly untracked snow days after a snowfall, often just a few hundred feet from a marked run. They just don't have a same back country culture. This also comes with cons, mainly that off-piste ski is not avalanche controlled. If you are on steep terrain and are more than 100' froma marked run you better be informed.
The US corporate vultures to suck every dime from skiers are coming to Europe. Started at Andermatt. They will what will seem to pay over the odd to get resorts then squeeze control and prices, vultures
Still prefer sitting on a chair with a heated seat and a pull down screen to taking off skis and shuffling onto a crowded smelly telecabin with a load of other people.
The new Transarc is a welcome addition to Les Arcs.
Great Video. Europe is impressive, as always.
Wow! The Jandry Express climbs the equivalent of both the 2 world's tallest towers, Burj Khalifa and Merdeka 118, with their spires, on top of each other...
Or 3 times the Taipei 101 tower...
The Transarc gondola being replaced by a new, more efficient, and faster, but also more conventional gondola is great, but I'll always keep the original one in my mind.
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nathing news at all !
Hahahaha I turned the voice off and read the subtitles. Good lord what a wet lettuce
His English is terrible, too. Aussies, you're letting you redneck standards slip.
Lazy chat GPT 'journalism'. People trying to get rich quick. Welcome to the modern world lol.
So many resorts, so little time..
You took the words right out of our mouths Steve
Pretty impressive how they build those new gondola lines in very demanding conditions.
We are talking here too serious investments , which are needed in order to be competitive .
Thank U for this informative video 👍. It was eye opening.
I'll be at Les Arcs and Val d'Isere the coming winter, cant wait
I hope they built that Saalbach Xpress lift to Viehofen in the near future, it has been silent over a year now
Great choices for the French Alps! There is a lift from Schmittenhohe to Viehofen, is that the one you are referring too?
I love that old gondola at La Fornet in Val d’Isere. Looks so retro with the white, red and brown colourway.
I was skiing at Schilthorn today with the new gondola the copper station design and the gondola design are very nice. The first section feels like a slightly tilted elevator.
Long high telecabins may be OK to gain height at the beginning or end of the day or to link between ski areas but despite the high tech hype, I still prefer sitting on a chair with a heated seat and a pull down screen for the cold to the disruption of taking off skis and shuffling into a crowded smelly telecabin with a load of other people and then having to mess around putting skis back on.
Large telecabins disgorge their load in one go making pistes crowded, whereas chairs disgorge a steady stream.
When i was working next to Bern 1970/71 i could see the Lights of the JungeFrau , JungeFrau Joch and the Shilt Horn ... on a clear Mountain Night Amazing View lol ha ha ha ha
Now from time to time i Teach snow sports in the Val d' Aosta and Val 'd Ayas
😂 such amazing Regione ..
Pila Wow amazing up Grade yes That double above the Golf Course a test just to get on the olde double chair to the summit 😂
However a wonderful area for beginers and amazing next area not to mention the long Woodland trail that Guaranted strong turning after 5km of continuos turning lol 😂😂😂😂😂
In Pila for season 2024-2025 only the second sector to Couis will be in operation. The first sector will be built later.
Fantastic information video. The new lifts are truly innovative and certainly pushing the boundaries! Would love to try them all but Pila was my favourite because the architecture of the building at the top is incredible!
Glad you like them!
Amaizing engineering, as an engineer I love this stuff :-). But the more bodies you get up the more there are to come back down. After all what goes up must come down. This will just equate to even more crowded pistes, because as we know motorways only serve to generate even longer queues at the ends of them!
This is so true! Good for the mountains that offer riding down to the villages, for those where you have to download via a lift it could be a long wait.
And here i was thinking ski-passes was allready really expensive.
Great video - you missed out the new St Gervais infrastructure. We have a brand new lift straight from the train station in Le Fayet which now runs 365 days a year and links to another brand new gondola up to St Gervais le Bettex. The lift from the valley floor will significantly reduce car journeys up the hill to St Gervais.
Sounds like a game changer we missed! Thanks for adding your comment :)
Keep it down, we don't want people to know🤦♀️
But there's no car park space in the valley
@@snowstash"Game Changer" 🤦♀️
@@FreeFlyerUk 🤣🤣🤣 I'm sure the mayor of St Gervais wants to keep it quiet too!!!! Agree parking will be challenging - the farm road needs tarmacing so one way in and one way out - the climbing centre clients will need to time their exit carefully.
I am going to St Gervais this December and staying at the St Gervais Hotel. Is the new gondola walking distance or still need a car?
You forgot the most important in construction: Le Top of Les Grands Montets
We knew we missed some key upgrades, probably enough for another video
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@snowstash Very nice 🙂
Being able to transports twice or even three times the number of skiers per hour into a hill sounds good. But is it?
This is a good point indeed. Transporting more people up on the peaks will inevitably lead to a bigger environmental footprint, since they will ski or hike down, leave their garbage, get off the trails, ... However, I'm glad they do this in places that already have such an infrastructure. It will keep visitors concentrated in some areas and not impact untouched areas.
Yes it is? Quite obviously
The only revolution lift change in France will be a connection between la plane and corchavel, or les arc and tigne
It gets to the point where such connection is not really useful. It would take so long to get to another resort that when you are there, you need to come back right away
@@scoopet multi resort vacations
@@ricmorris9758 good point, lift pass combined areas is super expensive though, not sure it would save you much or be useful
I can confirm the gondola system in Flims/Laax is completely over engineered- Took as an hour and half to get up to Nagens and worse after doing a short run, we had to again get on the new lift, which took another hour just to get up the next station. The chairlifts were much faster
le fayet -st.gervais has had major new cablecars added, which will change the areas forever
FFS... Don't tell anyone 🤦♀️
amazing film, great job :) I have to revisit Les 2 Alpes and check new Jandri :)
Thank you! I hope your visit to Les 2 Alpes is amazing 🤩
The Saulire telecabine in Courchevel has just come back into service after 2 years out of action.
Hope the snow keeps falling !
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You should talk about the new gondola replacing the cable car in Campitello, val di Fassa, Italy. It's an hybrid and the capacity will be more than doubled with the new project.
"Lèse Duse Alpse"
I like the old fashioned one. Just maintain it well, like our metro and trams. In paris and lisboa . we are Europe not China.
I tend to agree, whilst a schmick fast lift is fun, nothing beats an old school double chair
It's Shilt-horn not Shil-thorn! But the thing that really gets me about this video is the amount of money resorts are spending at a time of uncertainty about the future of skiing in Europe.
The lifts themselves are the attraction and part of the resort offers. Particularly in Switzerland, they have very strong summer tourism.
@@Rainyfeels Indeed, the two Swiss projects presented are almost as important for summer tourism as for the skiing crowds. Flims-Laax has heavily invested in it's mountain biking infrastructure, while Lauterbrunnen-Mürren-Schilthorn is a renowned destination for base jumpers and Instagramers all year round. Both are rather snow safe, additionally, so there will be a few more decades of skiing before this crowd will dry up.
More in Ski Circus besides Zwölfer Nordbahn, they also build a new Streubödenbahn in Fieberbrunn. Nice video though!
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We are off to saalbach in January and can’t wait to check out all the new lifts!
Hi, nice video thanks, but the les arcs one seems very misleading. first, the old lift is the transarc which goes from 1800 to the aiguille grive. you keep showing the upper cable car up to aiguille rouge. different mountain. the old transarcs was slow but 20 minutes? i dont think so. there is no 360 panorama at the top. the aiguille grive is in the way. i dont know the new arrangement, but the escalators dont go to the actual lift itself, just the ticket office, but i could be wrong. but it is looking like a goodlift. it will still be busy and the ticket office will be slow because of the workers and cofusing system. ill post back in 6 weeks when i am there.
very true, the escalators were there last season
Maybe i'm in the minority, but i can't stand gondolas. I don't like the hassle of having to get skis off for a start, then there is the fact you are in a small bubble with a load of other people all breathing the same air, making a flu like infection far more likely during your holiday. When was that a problem recently...? And if you need a heated seat, your gear is not good enough for the conditions. The other issue herein is the number of bodies going up. This is making overcrowding a signficant problem. If you simply replace all the older lifts with higher capacity, without adding new lifts and opening up lots new terrain in so doing, there are too many people at pinch points making accidents far more likely.
Tbh, these are all very valid points!
Yeah typical American mentality. They have windows and the Europeans are way ahead in design and thinking 😂
wow. you;d HATE Kronplatz over in the Dolomites. its a lovely resort and great ski area but almost entirely served by Gondolas. nothing quite like it. about 80-90% gondolas ! yes there's a time for skiing straight onto a chair. and taking your skis off at all runs a bit over the top. but i much prefer a gondola to sit in and relax. tho 90% of all lifts gondolas is over done. nice resort tho.
@jimbosaul3996 Well i may not hate the resort it would depend on the quality of the skiing really. I do use these lift types in 3 Valleys where I usually ski but not most of the time. Only normally when it's a powder day 😎 cause you can access certain really nice off piste areas via a few gondolas or the cable car at Val Tho. But other than that I avoid them 👍 There are more than enough chairs though. Just wish they hadn't replaced the morraine chair in VT with a gondola used to use it regularly, now hardly ever.
Gondolas are more versatile however and can be used year around for hikers, base jumpers, mountain bikers and cargo transport. T-bars can practically only be used in the winter (there's some experimental projects using them as lifts for mountain bikes also), and while most chairlifts can be used by hikers, it's difficult to load bikes or cargo.
So many more skiers on top but the pistes remain the same. And more crowded.
1:17 the new lift has the same capacity as the old one
I like all these projects and support the marvellous engineering behind them. But let’s stop saying, “it’s reducing its environmental impact.” We can call them more efficient or modern, but I get sick when operators feel the need to label their projects as “green” for political reasons. For example, pylon reductions in Val d’Isère is more aesthetic and nature-friendly, but it’s not “greener.” On-demand system in Laax is certainly more efficient, but not “green.” These developments want to increase their accessibility, not reduce it. And let’s not talk about the thousands of tons of concrete, massive mountaintop buildings, huge station groundwork, and larger, faster gondolas-all of which are meant to increase sport activity year-round, not diminish it.
We're also talking about people litteraly flying around the globe in very carbon-emissive planes... Which then complain when the snow gets worse with every season🤦
I find the heated seats thing a little odd. We are all dressed for the outdoor conditions - so why would I need heat when sat in a sheltered gondola?
And as for the explosion of gondolas over chair lifts........not sure I like it.
And no price rises....
wheres Teenyi?
Google Tignes!
In France, spelt Tignes
My Epic pass is so fucking done!
SHILTHORN
why does he sound like a airport announcer
Sounds like the Jet2 flight attendant reading the script about what duty free perfumes they have on sale.
20 minute rides? Dang
East coast USA is like idk
5 minutes max!
Can't even imagine
Ski lifts in the US are WW2 stuff compared to Europe. The rides that are covered here are extra long and steep.
@@profdrlt Be kind....Jimmy's American, he thinks meters are the same as feet!
Glad they are investing, but what about the global warming. This januari the valleys in the alps sees temperature of 10 degrees for several days in a stretch. I guess only high alltitude slopes will cope with this.
Yeah sadly it will only be high altitude ski resorts that can offer great conditions all winter
0:36 -been there
Half of this is just standard gondolas, nothing special about them. Even the 3S in Les Deux Alps isn't that special anymore, plenty of those already exist. The only special instalations are the ones at Mürren and Flims (opend over a year ago).
No such thing as a free lunch!
The higher capacity going up the more crowded the pistes are coming down.😡
Good report. Terrible pronunciation.
Who cares about gradient %? Whats it in degrees?
STOP using the word ' INSANE' in this way - mental illnbess is not a joke
Bruh
you might have mentioned the new lift over at La Plagne up to their Glacier. got lots of eco about it. They shut some other areas of the glacier access and opened up a new station up top. pretty schmick. only opened last season... or maybe it might only be open for this season. either way pretty new. i think its also 6m p/s.