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FY2 Standalone vs Non Training | LAT vs LAS | Where should an IMG start | My route to enter training
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- When you hear about applying for jobs in the NHS, you may invariably hear people talk about FY2 standalone or locum appointment for training (LAT) posts, and it's only natural to wonder if you should apply for such a post.
So let Dr Ibreez Ajaz, internal medicine trainee, give you the complete picture of what an FY2 standalone or LAT post means in the NHS.
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Thank you for this. I was really worried about this all.
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I'm just about to start my PLAB journey (soon to be UKMLA journey) and i've been nervous about the stark difference in practice in my home country and in the UK. I've been reading a lot of primers, articles etc but this video is one of the very few that really put me at ease and helped me really understand how I would want to start my career as a doctor in the UK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
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Every single one of your videos just gives me a bit more confidence when I watch them
Thank you so much!
I’d just like to know a bit more about the fy2 stand-alone programme.
When the preferences are put out after the interview , will the rotations only be pertaining to those that are available at the time or will there be rotations available in all disciplines like surgery, medicine, a and e , etc.
Also is there such a rotation called General Surgery ? Or is there a list of all the disciplines the NHS covers that I find somewhere ?
My ultimate goal is to get into CST after doing an FY2 standalone , in addition to what you mentioned in this video about choosing OBG, Trauma Orthopedics , etc is there any specific advice you have for the route/ path that I’m planning to take ?
You'd want to look for rotations that are more surgery heavy. Hope this also helps: roadto.uk/vHWG
Thank you so much... it is amazing that you guys provide this information for free ❤️
Happy to help!
This was the much needed video.
Can you please make a video on various job types like bank doctor, locum doctor, fixed term doctor, etc.
Thanks
Noted!
excellent suggestion!
A great detailed video! 👍🏼 I have a few queries on the Non-Training job posts:
1. what are the likely specialities that one can think of getting into after NT jobs?
2. being a “non training” job does that mean we are left all on our own to make decisions on patient management? 🤔
3. can we do audits in a NT job to amplify our chances of getting into a particular speciality?
I hope you can help me with my queries, thank you so much! ☺️👍🏼
1) Any specialty you wish so long as you meet the applicant criteria.
2) No. Non training just means you don't have a portfolio and curriculum to maintain. You won't be abandoned.
3) Yes.
Thanks a lot for this video.
Can you please consider making a video about what are the essential clinical skills that one should have before their first job in the UK?
Thanks again ;))
Please see: th-cam.com/video/W8ofTsHYQ7c/w-d-xo.html
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Very helpful...cleared many doubts...Thank you
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Thanks for saying so!
This was a really enlightening video.
Thank you so much for your effort.
Wanted to know, how many standalone FY2 posts are available on average each year and how do the number of vacancies available for that compare with the vacancies for Fy2 level non-training posts each year?
It's hard to give a fixed number are standalones only become available if there is a gap in the foundation program, but there is always a greater availability of non training jobs to standalones.
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great piece of advice in a short amount of time!on a side note I really didn't expect you to have an american accent
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Great video Ibreez. It has a lot of amazing information. Really appreciate your effort.
Just need to clear few things:
1. If I get my CREST form signed after 3 months in a non-training job, can I apply for run through training (or other uncoupled training) programs? Also, if I get selected in the training program, will I need to complete 12 months in the non training job before I could join the training program in the speciality? Or can I just leave the non-training job after 3 months and start my speciality training program instantly?
2. If I do FY2 standalone, can I only get my competency signed after 12 months only? Can I apply to training programs before 12 months time? Can I join the training before the 12 months time is over in FY2 Standalone?
I would absolutely admire if you could answer my queries. Thank You.
Thanks for saying that.
1. Speciality training programs always starts at specific time of the year. More often than not it is always August. If you get into training, you will know it around May-June. So, you have to give your current non-training job a notice that you will be leaving them in August. Nothing is instant.
2. You can leave the training if you wish but you will not get any certificate without completing 12 months of it successfully.
Hi.. thank u for another wonderful video.. hope u guys are doing well.
I have recently seen an advert in the NHS for fy2 in ophthalmology in OXFORD.. is it the same process or do we need more qualifications for the same? And,
Can u kindly do a video about the cost of living and expenses as an Img coming for the first job. Would appreciate it. Thanks in advance 😊
1) Same process in what sense? You can understand the qualifications they are looking for by reading the person specifications.
2) Sure!
I like before I watch. Always.
Aw thanks!
Very informative! Thank you..
P.s. if one applies in January for FY2 when are the interviews etc..?
Please see: roadto.uk/vHWG
Hi, thank you for all this information you put out for everyone!
I was wondering if its common for a CREST form to be signed in a 6 month period in a non training post, provided you actively pursue it. Or do people commonly take a year or more to get it signed?
Thank youuu
Thank you for this video!
I have 4 questions
1. Apart from the education supervisor/mentor/ progress tracking and the fpcc( which is equivalent to crest) there is no other disadvantage for non training jobs?
2. You said rank is based on interview and application. What can I add to my application to increase my chances of getting into fy2 standalone?
3. If I take a non training fy2 equivalent and get a crest certificate should i join a training ct or a non training equivalent?
4. Will i be able to take mrcp if i do a non training job?
1) Not as far as we can see.
2) Please see: roadto.uk/vHWG
3) It's up to you.
4) Yes.
Thank you for this great video.
I wanted to know if it is important to sign off the CREST form in my home country before applying for CT1-2/ST1non-training jobs?
No need.
very good video
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thank you for such great informative videos! I have the following queries and I hope you can help:
1. what is Horus form? is that similar/same to CREST form? do we need to complete both the forms if we decide to take up a non training job?
2. is it necessary to have a business visa to apply for PLAB 2 test? can I travel to the UK on a visitor's visa and still apply/sit for the PLAB 2 exam?
thank you.
1) Horus is the name of the eportfolio.
2) Visit visa is acceptable.
Hi Dr. Ibreez
Great video 🙌
I wanted to know, when do non training FY2 posts display their vacancies?
Is there fixed application time, just like FY2 Standalone or is it available all around the year, randomly??
It's available all year round.
I really like the way you're open about your life & career. Respect. What I want to know is:
By the time I successfully complete my medical degree (By God's grace), I have to do the UKMLA. Although I am a British Citizen with an overseas medical certificate, do I still have to do IELTS?
Yes, currently it is mandatory on basis of country of graduation, rather than nationality/citizenship.
thank you
You're welcome!
Thank you so much for this valuable video but i have some qusetions
If i have completed the rotation in my home country (which is equivelent to fy2 in uk) can i be still eligibale for the fy2 standalone?
And the other question what protfolio criteria that should be met in order to apply for fy2 standalone ? Other that the ALS coures
Hey there. Do you guys have a video for what to do after getting GMC registration/passing PLABs?
Please see: th-cam.com/video/SJkSaQ5FApM/w-d-xo.html and roadtouk.com/blog/what-to-do-after-plab-2/
Hi, Ibreez, thanks for an informative session!
I'm interested in pursuing an Emergency Medicine Non training FY2 post as my first job in the NHS (to get CREST signed and gain subsequent entry into ACCS EM). Do you have any recommendations of supportive hospitals for IMG doctors with only an internship experience? Which hospital did you or people you know, do your first job at? Hoping you are well!
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Hello, you're welcome! I think any hospital is supportive so long as you make your intentions known of what you wish to pursue from the start. We started at Scunthorpe General Hospital (in emergency medicine as well!), but now work at Derriford Hospital.
Hello , am thinking for the same for Emergency Medicine non training FY2 post ,would you please advice me if you have done the process .am still confused when I have to apply for PLAB 2 ?.thanks
Thanks a lot for the clarity.
Also which post would be best for drs with no experience with NHS but would like to take up a job for the first time at non training job.
Standalone or non training FY2 is ideal.
Hello Dr.Ibreez,
Keep up the good work 👍
One question:
I graduated in 2013 and began working as a General Practitioner (GP) in 2016, continuing until October 2022. In October 2022, I transitioned to a psychiatry resident role and successfully passed Paper A of MRCPsych. I have PLAB2 scheduled for November 10, and I plan to take Paper B of MRCPsych after that (assuming I pass PLAB2). Given this background, is there a possibility of obtaining a non-training position in psychiatry without diversifying into other medical areas?
Yes.
Hi Ibreez
Really great vedio , U guys are gems 💎
I have just one question : U said that getting an FY2 standalone job/getting the desired rotations in your FY2 standalone totally depends on your rank* , Well can U plz briefly elaborate that what's gonna make my rank? I mean what's the criteria for making merit rank in FY2 application 🙏 Thanks Again
As mentioned in the video, your SJT score and interview.
How long does it take to finish all the requirements to get the CREST form signed?
Then after, applying for IMT for example, what additional things are required to have/fulfill other than CREST form?
Hey! Thank you for the video! Just one question, The ALS requirement before we start, does that have to be from UK? Or can we do that from our home country (AHA)?
It needs to be under Resus UK
If I start an internship in July 2022 and finish July 2023. Complete PLAB 1 in Feb 2023 due to no seats available, and then PLAB 2would I be able to apply in 2023 for a non training post starting in August 2023? Would I also have to do the SJT and Clinical assessment (graduated 2019 sept)
thank you for the great video!
my internship at home country ends in mid or end of august, and the FY2 begins in august itself. is there some solution to this or other options i can look into?
You'd have to wait until the January eligibility.
Thank you 😍
I've browsed NHS jobs and it seems that F2 equivilant jobs require prior experience working in the UK for 3-6 months !
Can you please exaplin this and how I'm I supposed to get started?
(These jobs were A&E and intensive care mainly, I want a non training job in pediatrics cuz I hate adults but couldn't find any, that's really odd)
Thanks
Still apply.
I have a question... can we apply for non training CT1 without having crest form? Or do we have to apply for non training trust grade doctor and after getting crest form signed we can apply for CT1? It's a bit confusing.
Thank You so much for detailed video.
I have one question…
1.Internship which we do in our home country is equivalent to FY1 if it meets their criteria?
2. If it doesn’t meet…. then we have to do FY1 ? If yes then do we have to pay for that?
1) Yes.
2) a. Yes.
b. No.
Thank you very much!
Does the Fy2 equivalent-non training job have a person specification to its application?
Yes they do.
could u pls make a video about how to make a better CV ...the things which we have to build before starting the jorney...like i would like to persue dermatology.to get into that speeciality what all i can do to make my cv stand out
Please see: roadto.uk/wJgX
Hi. Can you explain abit on Drs with MRCP (UK), which level could we apply for in non training?
Great video!
I have 400 and above in three subtests of oet but not in the fourth one. What would you advise either to retake oet for 400 in all subtests as I want to join fy2 standalone after plab or a NT fy2 equivalent would be okay?
If you can manage the OET one more time, go for it, but applying for non training jobs as a backup isn't a bad idea.
nice video! I want to actually start CT in psychiatry and was thinking of applying for WAST but due to covid the applications aren't open. How many months would I need to work as a non training FY2 before i can enter training in psych CT1?
It is dependent on the length of time it takes for you to get your CREST signed, and how comfortable you feel moving onto a training post.
great video! what is the situation judgement test for FY2 standalone?
foundationprogramme.nhs.uk/
Hi! Firstly I want to thank you for this video. It is really a starkling difference between UK and my country so I've been getting really confused at times about the routes I could take. I have 1 question though: I have a acceptable equivalent to Fy1 from my country. Can I proceed to CT or ST after I apply to non training jobs or do I have to still do a F2 standalone at the end to be able to enter a CT or ST? Thank you so much!
Standalone is not mandatory. The other route is feasible.
Thank you for this video. It cleared everything up for me, except one thing. Is the visa application process different between the 2 positions for IMgs? Will it be more difficult to apply for a visa when applying to non-training jobs?
No it's not different.
If someone has mrcs, with GMC Plus paediatric surgery degree from Pakistan, already working as paediatric surgeon, if come to uk, still we need to go for training for frcs???
How are you like not very famous! Thank you thank you thank you
Hahaha you're very welcome 😁
Thanku for the guidance.
What are the rotational options for anaesthesia training??
You're welcome! As per the curriculum.
Please how can I negotiate for a higher pay in an FY2 grade non trainee job whwn i already have over 24 months work experience
I passed my plab part 1 in oct 2020, so is it advisable to apply for a fy2 standalone in January but I also want to do my plab part 2 asap (sometime in March). Not sure what to do and how to juggle all of this lol...
If you're interested in applying for a standalone, go for it.
Great video!
My question is if I finish a crest 2020 form but decide I want to apply for specialty training in 2022, can I use the 2020 form or should I sign a CREST form in 2021?
Currently it's been mandated that all forms that are submitted are the CREST 2020 forms and no earlier forms will be entertained. Whether or not they will keep this for the next few years remains to be seen. It's best to keep it signed though just in case it doesn't change.
@@RoadToUK Thanks for the advice!
Hello dr ibreez, thanks for informative video, can u please explain if i have got gmc registration Am i eligible to apply for Fy2 standalone
It's one of the requirements, but you will need to ensure you meet all the criteria to apply.
I dont know if you guys will see this or answer tbis on an old video
I want to know about non training fy2
Im assuming you thru multiple rotations in fy2 year my question is
1. Do you get to choose your rotations and are they decided for the entire fy2 once or you have to apply for new posts in different hospitals to complete your fy2 non training requirements
2. Is there a form to complete that equates us to a training fy2 (like the one thru ukfpo)
Non training may or may not be rotational. You complete the CREST form.
After graduating from home country and clearing IELTS and PLABs, can we do a Non Training SHO job in UK (in Obstetrics Or any other department) ,instead of FY2, and then apply for Specialty Training in A&E after an year or so?
Or is there any better alternative for that?
Yes you don't have to do a standalone. You can choose to do a non training job instead.
Hi! Is fy2 non training job supervised? Because In order to register for Australian standard pathway, it is compulsory for us to pass plab 1 and 2 and complete 12 months of supervised training job.
Hey did you get any answer?
Great video,Just wanted to ask..If an IMG was to work through the fy1 and fy2 in a non training position with a provisional gmc registration,would the provisional licensing upgrade to a full license by the end of the two years??
You cannot work in a non training job with provisional registration.
@@RoadToUK Thank you for your reply.My situation is that i am an IMG without an internship.I have cleared my plab exams and am hoping to apply for an FY1 LAS program..is that possible?
HI Doctor Ibreez, I am in a very big dilemma could you please help ? I booked my PLAB 2 for June 1, 2024. On the F2 Standalone page, on the timeline it's mentioned that "ESSENTIAL" criteria is to be GMC registered by August 2024. However, there's a mention of giving PLAB 2 by MAY 31st ! Should I try to prepone my PLAB 2 exam ? Its all very uncertain...
We'd suggest emailing UKFP to ask if this would be fine.
Hi thankyou for explicit explanation
I am. old graduate, I am intrested medicine later cardiology in UK do you through plab programe i will able to achieve my goal, I am thinking giving flab then during franing or non training do mrcp ..
Thanx
Thanks
Sounds like you have a plan. Good Luck!
If my internship ends the last day of July am I still eligible for fy2 since it starts in august ?
I have a question regarding the non training job
is it a must to do 12 months of NT job to apply for ST training or just by getting the crest form i will be ready to apply even if i did not do 12 months after my fy1 ?
You need to have 12 months of post internship experience by the time your training job starts
Hello. If I would apply to a FY2 standalone in 2025, would I be able to apply to psychiatry CT1 the following year?
Can a person with provisional GMC registration apply for FY1 non training job?
I got answer through comments. For a non training job permanent registration is compulsory.
:)
Can you, please, share with us some tips about how to have dermatology speciality after FY2 ?
👍🏻
Suppose an IMG wants to get into core surgical training...where is it easier to build your cv,in a training or non training job?
Ease is based on your own ability and ambition.
Hi doc ibreeza! If i complete my internship year in my home country, can i still apply for an FY1 rather than an FY2? I am not overly confident with my skills so i want to have more exposure with the NHS at the basic level. Or will i be overqualified since i have already done my 1 year internship post graduation?
Hello, you could apply for a non training FY1 post.
@@RoadToUK thank you doc! 💕
If i am in my internship backhome and the rotations will end in March.. can i apply for fy2 stand alone before finishing my internahip year?
If you meet the application criteria at that time, then yes.
If I aspire to get into a competetive specialty, should I worry about RLMT exemption laws changing in the near future? Is that a good enough reason to get into FY2 standalone?
It shouldn't be the only reason you apply for a standalone.
What is ILS or ALS? that's required to enter FY2
Hello, are IMGs in non-training jobs required to do the SJT exam when applying to core training?
No.
Hey Doc. Is it possible to apply for both fy2 standalone and non training jobs simultaneously and proceed whichever we get first ?
Yes it is.
Can we apply for fy2.......training post after full gmc registration?
How's that different from standalone fy2 which is applied after plab1?
FY2 standalone is a training post.
Hello! Thanks for the great informative video, i have obtained gmc registration Am i eligible for Fy2 standalone??
It's one of the requirements, but you will need to ensure you meet all the criteria to apply.
I have a doubt.
I have heard that we can continue to work as a non- trainee for as long as we can if we dont want to progress, and settle as it is.
So, do we have to apply again and again for non-training jobs after our term ends, or is there any other way?
It's a contract based job. You work for the duration of the contract and extend as needed.
For 2022, I have booked my plab 2 on May 5 because I couldn't get an early date.... Can I make it for August FY2. An where can I get the full time line for 2022
The standalone application opens in January. roadtouk.com/awaiting-job-in-the-nhs/fy2-standalone-lat-jobs-for-imgs/
Can we apply for both FY2 standalone and non-training jobs? or is there any restriction?
Yes you can.
If you already have an acceptable 12 month internship from your home country (so you can't apply for FY1), can you still apply for FY-1 level non-training jobs? or you're only able to apply for FY-2 level jobs (whether its standalone or non-training)?
Yes you can.
For fy2 standalone, if i already have gmc registration but my ielts has expired. Would i need to retake ielts for fy2 application?
Yes.
I have a question. Is it possible to get ST1 posts without CREST? This confuses me quite a bit. Thanks for the video.
You can get any non training post (FY1/2, CT1/2, ST1/2 etc) without CREST, but to show that you have met the equivalent competencies of your peers when you apply for ST1/CT1 training, you MUST complete a CREST form. Please also see: th-cam.com/video/_Ne0akP097k/w-d-xo.html
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Hi ,
Can I get my CREST form signed working as a Locum FY2 provided I am in the same ward for 3-4months?
Would really appreciate a reply
Thanks
You would have to be considered a substantive locum who works regularly and ultimately it would be at the discretion of the consultant signing it.
after plab..if i do a non training job for 3 months and got my crest form signed then can i enter into imt training???? plz plz plz answer
Yes if you meet all other criteria. Please see: th-cam.com/video/o_m21_37o1U/w-d-xo.html
Thank you so much for the video. I have a few questions.
1) FY2 standalone requires valid IELTS/OET scores within two years separate from the english proficiency requirement for GMC registration. Meanwhile, FY2 equivalent non-training post does not require valid IELTS/OET if I have fulfilled GMC registration. Am I correct?
2) FY2 standalone eligibility criteria includes Full GMC registration. However, doesnt IMG only get Provisional GMC registration after passing PLABs? Should an IMG apply for Full registration?
3) Can I later still apply to specialty training post instead of the equivalent non-training post even if I finish FY2 equivalent non-training post (therefore never fulfilled UK Foundation programme)?
Thank you.
1) Yes.
2) No. Your registration being provisional or full is dependent on completion of an acceptable pattern of internship.
3) Yes, but you'd need to have a completed CREST form.
@@RoadToUK Thanks a lot!
@@RoadToUK Can a person with provisional GMC registration (no internship done) apply for non training FY1 post??
Hi thanks for this video, I prefer to do FY2 standalone because I will receive my certificate late in January and I dont just want to be waiting at hime..but my question is if I can get a non training job just for six months and the employers would allow me to go after six months of moving to UK from Europe?
Do you mean break your contract early while doing a standalone?
@@RoadToUK yea, breaking early while doing a training job.
Hey doc, Can you please explain what do these ILS & ALS mean on 02:38 for Non-Training Jobs ? And for what these are needed?
Immediate Life Support and Advanced Life Support. You will be apart of acutely deteriorating and cardiac arrest teams, for which these trainings come in handy.
@@RoadToUK Thank you!
Is it for any particular specialty or each and every specialty?
We dont get our crest form signed if we take non trainee job?
You do.
Hello, Thnxs a lot for informative and really helpful videos, one querry, regarding OET score I have heard 350+/500 is acceptable, but ma'am u told 400+, recently what is right, 400+ is req. Or 350+ will also do!? Plz reply
For UKFP and standalone, you need 400. Otherwise, for PLAB and GMC registration, you need a grade B.
@@RoadToUK Thnxs for reply, it would be really appreciable if u could clear it a bit more, for non- trainee job & trainee job post non-trainee job, is 350+ (B) adequate or u still need 400!? E.g. I'm coming from India, clear PLAB 2 , get gmc registered, get non-trainee job, then sign-up with CREST , then apply for IMT-1 , Will I require 400+ or this 350+ B Gmc registration is sufficient for me, Thnxs in advance