Progressive Double-Teamed by Right-Wingers, DISASTER
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Wasn’t really a disaster. There was non aggressive political conversation happening
You sure missed the time David tripped up the interviewers.
It was a disaster for the unprepared hosts.
@@seekeroftruth6728 Its an interview, not a debate. His entire purpose is to present something new.
It was how he conducted himself that was the problem, not what he said.
@@AoDConnection I'd say it was both. The fact that he can't properly defend any of his positions, and was demonstrably wrong in the positions he did take? Total trainwreck.
@@seekeroftruth6728 you should watch the full interview instead of this curiously selected 19 minute edit, "Seeker of Truth".
"Did anything change materially?"
"Uhh, let's not get into it too much"
I couldn't help but laugh at that, great question David.
The thing I maybe materially nothing happened but a handful of countries did sign the Abraham Accords for peace with Israel... so that IS a big thing! So David is full of crap... and yes Trump did have a exodus plan from Afghanistan that would've worked and Trump wouldn't have made the Taliban head of security at the airport, like Biden did,, that got 13 marines killed soo...
But that wasn't the point being made, it was a deflection.
I like that he didn't let it go
Wasn't that rich!?
The Abrahamic accords was one of the most significant peace deals in the last 50 years.
This was a fantastic interview. The fact when someone doesn't know enough about the topic and admits to not knowing enough to have a constructive conversation about it says a ton about them.
That’s what every conservative says when they are 1-2 questions into talking about their very strong opinions. It’s cowardice.
Ya a halfway intelligent person wouldn’t bring up a topic they weren’t educated on
Different country
@@fightignorance7983 I'm on the left but you have to stop this utter childish way of thinking. This video for David Pakman isn't a good look. If you watch the interview it wasn't a setup or double teamed etc.David here is king of the semantic nitpicking. To say that the pullout of Afghanistan couldn't have gone better is farcical. All Biden had to do was evacuate the citizens first before the military. It would still be a mess of country but to say the pullout couldn't have gone better is a lie that all the left leaning media have said. It is a lie and makes me sick. Where is the honesty? There were people hanging off of planes. I could have organised it better with no military experience. As for the handshake, it really doesn't matter, Biden is not competent and he is very corrupt and is pushing towards nuclear war with Russia and all those on the left who defend him by comparing him with Trump are being disingenuous in the extreme.
I luv you David Pakman! You are my hero! I wish you were President. Thank you for being a good man, in crazy times!!!!! God bless you!!! You are a mensch: a person of integrity and honor!!!!
"What changed materially about it?"
"Uh, lets not spend too much time on it."
LOL
He changed the nature of the question, KK didn't want to get stuck in the weeds.
Jesus Christ, we’ve just plain forgotten what discussion with opposing view points is. Used to be normal.
Forgotten? I'm 43 and can't remember ever seeing it in my adult life.
@@jonq8714 😅
Exactly, not enough drama to satisfy the drama queens.
@@noseyparker6969 well their latest video is insulting David for being bad faith... so, these guys are still clowns.
@@jonq8714 😂 my god pakman fans like yourself are so intolerable. Your comment was in just as much bad faith as pakmans video right now.
These guys were pretty respectful guys. I enjoyed this. Wish everyone could speak to each other like this.
I think David is very dishonest on this one, it’s in very bad faith to describe them as “right wingers”
@@FraserJohnstone1 100% correct
@@FraserJohnstone1 Agreed. I thought the title was cringey too. The guy only said he was a centrist so David’s gotta stop with these titles.
@@freddiesoverbite6162 by American standards these guys are pretty left wing, I’m quite sure David knows that fact perfectly well…
Their other videos are pretty toxic, not from a discourse standpoint, but the shit they platform and don't contest, in fact, believe, is gross. Massive anti-vaxx shit
This interview was absolutely NOT a disaster - unfortunate that the title says it was. It was a very honest debate between two respectful hosts and a respectful guest, all of whom were able to disagree but be intellectually honest in doing so. The hosts WERE open to a good faith conversation about all subjects. Well done. Keep doing these interviews.
In terms of an actual debate it really was a disaster. Unfortunately if you are siding with the two weasels
Yes, the title is clickbaity. It was nice to see a good faith conversation between two parties that clearly start with fundamentally different positions. It was also clear that these two guys were out-debated at every point of this discussion by David. They were classy, however, in their defeat.
Dave smoked those guys
The first two topics brought up were cut short because the 2 didn't do "enough research". Started out with a smug reference to a bad faith argument, and then immediately fold to the slightest pushback. This is standard for most conservatives.
To all concerned in the thread under Brian's heading:
I'll split the difference here: Yes, David seemed far better prepared for this back-and-forth discussion than the other guys in this video, especially if we go on the metric of what would constitute a "debate". I certainly believe my old debate instructor from school would have given Mr. Packman very high marks for his performance, and hosts Kisin and Foster...well, something a bit less.
That said, it WAS a very respectful exchange, with questions and arguments all made in good faith. The hosts (particularly the guy on the left) was able to admit, more than once, that he was not properly prepared to engage Packman any further on certain individual topics-or had not done enough research, etc. Considering how easy it could have been to simply gaslight, straw-man, or engage in a lot of whatabout-isms, I'd say that took some honesty and intellectual courage. Given that, it would be fair to say that had Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity, or Jeanine Piro been running the interview, we would have been treated to a total sh*t show instead of an actual discussion. So let us be thankful for that.
So in conclusion, yes, I would agree that the video's title sounds very clickbait-y. And really, I don't think that kind of after-the-fact grandstanding suits Mr Packman well. It's already obvious he was the "brightest bulb" in the room; why rub it in? So yes, a better title, please...
That's all I got. Thanks, and cheers
In my opinion, absolutely not a single talking point did David lose or look bad on, even when David conceded things. David is one heck of a conversationalist.
Totally agree
An even better debater.
🤣🤣🤣
If you are having a great on your show you should at least know something about the topics you ask him about.
You obviously didn’t watch the original conversation, and clearly don’t know who David was talking to
David this was not a disaster. They were very cordial. I’ve been watching you for years. This video would be better served wo the DISASTER thing
David, sir, has explained a couple of times by now that he wants his videos to be click-bait.
David's click-bait titles are actually funny, mostly because we expect it to be an exaggeration. Unlike other click-baiters that are actually annoying and disappointing like Brian Tyler Cohen, Rebel HQ, and Farron Cousins (who always starts out with good news followed by a fact that completely neutralizes the good news).
Well I think the title is referenced as disaster because David was really stunning these guys by how well informed he was on the topics and the fact that he for the most gave them a different perspective. I think it is disingenuous of the title saying that he was double teamed by two right wingers when actually only one of them was talking
@@kelvinhooks9399 they aren’t “right wing”! Jesus. So stupid of Pakman to insinuate this and for his audience to follow along like good flying monkey’s.
You must be new here 😀
This was a perfectly reasonable debate. The closest thing to a disaster here is the video title.
Discussion, rather than debate. But agreed
He is trolling you snowflakes.
I think it's a deliberate joke.
It’s a joke.
yeah, it's called clickbait.
David is so underrated as a debater
He's over-rated as a serious thinker.
100%. I've never been super into his show...too clickbaity tbh. But...I've recently watched a number of his debates and been genuinely impressed. He's smart quick calm and willing to concede when wrong. He's a truly good faith debater.
@avedic I agree with you, his show is becoming more and more clickbaity, with false sensational headlines. Not to mention so ad heavy it almost comes off as spam. Shame too because he's such a good presenter and speaker but he just comes off as disingenuous these days for clicks. "So and so was UTTERLY DESTROYED".....shirt clip of some mild interaction.....followed by and ad.
@@jpatton5567 unfortunately the social media companies encourage that kinda thing. You almost HAVE to do it if u want to make a living. It's frustrating how they steer us into that kind of behavior. But it's also frustrating that it WORKS on ppl. It's done because it's effective. But yeah, David is good and I like this kind of venue better.
David is much better in these discussions compared to his channel that tends to be clickbaity, but I have seen him also totally fail when he was debating Destiny.
How nice to see a conversation like this. It's not just people yelling over one another spewing non sequiturs and talking points.
Whoopsie David… imagine undermining your own credibility with self-gratification. Emperor’s got no clothes
Right from the get-go
GUYS : "Trump changed things in the middle east"
DAVID : "What did Trump materially change?"
GUYS : "Let's move on to another topic..."
Game, set, match in pretty much the first 90 seconds....
At 2 minutes in, it's David running the interview, while these guys are on the defensive..
Thing of beauty..
Same with the handshake non-story.
That made me laugh so hard. Idiots.
Right, same with the handshake incident explained! And with the Supreme nominee, these guys would say, 'ah she couldn't describe what a woman was'. When the fact is she just wouldn't do it under the ridiculous questioning by whacko Marsh!!
You have a really toxic way of looking at conversations.
Thing of beauty! David has smashed it
within the first 2 minutes of the discussion! Oh wait this is a 19 minute long selectively edited clip of a 60 minute long original interview. This video is actually depressing. Why don't you watch the original? Your comment, sorry to say, is just meaningless. Aside from it highlighting the shame of uploading selective edits of original videos (and then labelling the other party as "right-wingers", which they are not).
I lean towards David’s thought processes but I thought all three men did a really good job with this interview. Respectful and at least visually open to the other trying to understand each other.
This was great! We need more interviews like this! A lot of these topics are complicated and I love how both sides were providing their opinion without theatrics. It’s ok to have a difference in viewpoint, as long as you respect each other. Great job everyone 🤗
"Pakman double teamed by right wingers" was actually "Pakman talks to one guy who identifies as a centrist while another guy sits by and listens"
Andy Richer had more lines!
Francis Foster is very left wing
While I agree with David on most points, I hate the title of this TH-cam clip “progressive double-teamed by right-wingers, disaster.” I thought the triggernometry hosts were respectful, courteous, and thoughtful. I didn’t see any “double-teaming.” I thought this discussion was 100% better than anything you would see on Fox news… I appreciate hearing opposing points of view without all the vitriol you get with most tv formats.
I mean.. Anything is better than what we would see on Fox news, not really the best to compare with xD
How can he be double teamed when blue shirt guy literally didn’t say a single word…Pakman at his nonsense again
I can totally see how a lot of people find the title for this clip to be "clickbait". But David has done tongue-in-cheek, sarcastic titles for his guest appearances before. I have a feeling this is just more of the same. I'm pretty sure it's sarcasm. Either way, I'm not sorry I watched the vid.
Im one min in and its a disaster
Coz they're bloody left wing
In the US, I don't think that immigration and the "trans issue" are not in the top 3 issues. I found this conversation to be reasoned and honest.
I think for conservatives they are major issues. I think for liberals and leftists they are less so. According to NBC, there have been over 240 anti-trans bills proposed by the GOP in mostly red states. They define an anti-trans bill to be a bill that specifically limits access to hormones, medical procedures, gender affirming surgeries, anti-gender identification laws, sports restrictions, restrictions on guidance counseling for teenagers and kids in schools, etc.
I'm not saying I or you should agree or disagree with any or all of these, and I'm sure some of them are blatantly worse than others, but the GOP has absolutely made transgender laws a focal point of their legislative strategy.
Maybe not top 3 issues. But in terms of social issues, the "trans issue" is absolutely a major fight the right is having right now. Immigration has always been a hot issue for the right. at the State of the Union you can literally hear the MAGA crowd chanting build the wall.
Obviously, inflation, oil prices, corporate power, and a plethora of other economic issues are absolutely major, but Republicans are basically running their entire 2022 campaign on "dems bad" and "trans people are groomers" and with the Alito draft leak it looks like abortion is going to be a hot issue. McConnell floated the idea of a federal abortion ban, so maybe that is going to end up being more important than some of the other things, so perhaps not top 3, but when it comes time to vote Republicans will definitely be showing up in force to vote for trans limitation bills the GOP will push for once they win.
The trans discussions are boring af and just a distraction from more important matters.
David, this interview went great! NOT a disaster.
That was a reasonable and respectable debate. Why frame it otherwise when any one can just look at the debate and see that it was in good faith?
Because Triggernometry did a video on how "bad faith" David was not too long ago that I caught earlier today. Look for it.
@@karltheheretik they made that video in response to this video of David's, much as it sounds like something from kindergarten 'he started it' th-cam.com/video/s0oSFB1vTGY/w-d-xo.html
@@karltheheretik - that isn't "bad faith".
One video decides what a person is… when that person is David Pakman?
Yeah, right.
Bad faith… in reality… is your comment trying to deceive others into believing the non-sense on a "triggernomitry" video… that is also in "bad faith".
@Mathew Styles - well… I'm thinking that even if no money was expected… you want people to view your videos… no?
"I made a video on youtube…. I hope nobody watches it!"
Doesn't work.
i think sarcasm was intended
“Maybe let’s not spend too much time on it”
But no, what changed materially?
hmm 🤔 🤔
😂 😂
I would have gone in for the kill right there: no, you brought it up so you thought it important to spend time on. Answer the question, what changed?
They asked him for his view. He gave his view. That’s how interviews work.
“I’ll admit I don’t know a lot about that”
David- “beautiful”
"Lets talk about that" *David asks tough follow up* "Well lets not spend too much time on this issue"
Man I hate misleading headlines. The conversation was respectful and reasonable points were made by both sides. Just a horseshit title. One of the problems with media today.
Check out their reaction video . They were quite appalled at how David has framed this
@@gm9460 And rightly so, he took a good faith interview and then put out his own dishonest edit to whip up his followers, what a piece of s**t.
Maybe it is generally a media problem, but this is pakman specifically being dishonest.
@@gm9460 They should pay a little bit of attention to the titles of his other videos. Very sensational titles in a mocking way of corporate media and clickbait titles. Just look at his channel, the title describes the content for the most part, but is written like a Fox or OAN title. It's really just a joke, which I guess is an inside joke in a way? He mentioned it on the last live stream of a dim don rally. He was laughing at the titles of his own videos.
This was a respectful debate.. Hey, David, What's up with the title??
That was a good interview. I don't think it was a disaster, clickbait title that's it.
David loves the click bait titles
@@jcdaniel55 I mean, he is right sometimes with his title about interview with right wingers, it does go badly or the other person can't even admit simple facts, but that title was straight lie and he should avoid that. I hope he reads these comments and realize he doesnt need to do that. Maybe there are missing part of the interview that weren't in that video. Anyway, I hope he clarify this.
@@felixbeaulieu852 nah, he's just gonna get the bag and run.
Only channel to ever have clickbait SHUN
Of course he uses clickbait titles. It's the way the TH-cam algorithm works and promotes videos.
That interview actually went better than I expected. Everyone was respectful and there wasn’t really too many “gotcha” attempts. It seemed more good faith arguments.
I think that was probably because they weren't massive Trump supporters like you run across in the U.S. The goal of a Trump supporter is to NOT hear facts unless those facts support Trump.
It was just a typical conversation you'd expect from a patronizing "Social Democrat" (establishment crony capitalist) and two English beydahs.
Why does it seem like David and his audience have a disdain for any question or point they are as a "gotcha"? If something is a gotcha, it might be a good point, no?
@@booberry6715 That is because a lot of the time what is being said by the right is usually out of context or something like that. Don't get me wrong, I think there are some legit concerns/complaints that the right has. However, they seem to almost always take it to the extreme... claim evidence they don't actually have or point to that thing and try to falsely use it as proof of something else.
@@101perspectiveboth sides do that. Equally.
This was a looooooooooong way from being a disaster. This was a great conversation. This is how it use to be, when people in this country had differing opinions. I miss these type of conversation.
Agreed!
You don't know all Pakman's titles are clickbait, he knows his audience and he makes alot of money off them.
Dude with the glasses like “if I stay quiet long enough maybe he won’t see me” LMAO he didn’t want any smoke! 😂
Looked like C3PO when he turned himself off in "A New Hope."
@@ethanvilla4418 LMAOOO 😂😂😂
@@ethanvilla4418 that is so funny ☠
The side eye every time his buddy was cornered. 🤣
Francis is always the quieter of the two if you watch their other interviews
Disaster? So after you've had an "honest conversation" all you can think of is create a smearing click-bait video?
@@nadlax5920 Well, he hired his editor so he should be able to make him write fair titles.
dats how you maka da money
@@enginerdy Exactly!
@@felixmidas3245 quite frankly, he can do what ever he wants with his titles honest or not.
@@coolbeans6763 So can I with my comments.
David was one of the few people on the left that I would recommend people to watch but now I'm a bit hesitant to do so due to him framing Triggernometry in such a bad light and being so bad faith in his analysis of the interview, when in fact they were incredibly respectful and seemed happy about the discussion. Now when I think of the kind of people that give the left a bad name, David appears to get closer and closer to that group, which is a shame :(
🤣😂
David is the Bomb 💣 😍
The amount of time spent on trans people in prisons over actual policy was silly
I love how centrists are now considered “Rightwingers”
By American standards they aren’t even centrist……
It's funny because in the UK they already have universal healthcare which seems to be too left wing even for the Dems.
Depends on the country. I'm a Swedish centrist and most Americans would call me quite the leftist. The center line in the US is far to the right of Europe in general and especially Sweden. I would place the leader of the conservative party in Sweden somewhere around Obama. Even in Sweden, the political center has been shifting to the right in recent years. So it really depends on both place and time.
I consider myself center-left, and a lot of what is going on with the “far left” leaves me agog. But I’ll NEVER vote GOP. Not after Trump.
If you look at the way that political polarization has progressed, remaining in the center between left and right currently places you further right than left. We are in the middle of a reactionary backlash. If you are in the center of that, entertaining reactionary nonsense framing, you are functionally right wing. If you remain dedicated to entertaining “both sides” no matter what they are, you are not neutral.
"Total disaster". Bizarre framing, unless it's just being done for clickbait. They had a good faith discussion, which I watched in full on their channel and I didn't see anything other than a reasonable and robust debate. Calling them right-wingers and saying it was a total disaster like it was Fox News or something makes you look more sketchy than them. As a long-time British follower of your channel, that's disappointing. The purpose of these kind of interviews is not just to give you a platform to espouse your views, it's to deliberately take the opposing side in order to test your arguments, which is a common approach in British political discussions. I thought as a knowledgeable and educated chap you'd be familiar with this, but it seems you've chosen to crudely dismiss them as 'right-wingers'. I doubt Brian Tyler Cohen or Sam Seder would act as snidely as that. It seems the Triggernometry guys were also surprised and disappointed by this and have made a response video.
Ben Shapiro made the exact same mistake in a British interview calling the Conservative interviewer left wing. He had the good grace to apologise for his mistake.
I don't pretend to know why David put "Disaster" in the title but, if I had to guess, he was just being humble by saying his performance was a disaster.
Plus, ask yourself if you would've clicked on the video without the buzzwords? It's done for visibility for the most part.
You clearly fell for David's Trap.
@@erniegee3969 Yeah lol, it reminded me of that immediately. Pakman pulled a Shapiro :D
Whenever David shows up as a guest on on conservative media, he always puts "didn't go well" or "got OWNED" or something like it in the title of the clip. It's pretty much a Pakman inside joke at this point.
That was wonderful. That guy wouldn't stick to a single point because it was obvious he had no actual arguments or proof of anything.
You are a master of polite conversation with veiled destruction lol. Well done.
How was this a disaster David? They brought you on their show to hear your views, and for you to promote social democracy. And even though they were nice enough to invite you to their show, you treated them like a couple of meat puppets who deserved to be taken down. In that respect, I guess it was a disaster.
It’s just something David does. He titles his interviews with opposing views with the word “disaster” somewhere in the title. Not sure if it’s meant to be funny or what.
@@DavEstra01 Lol ..it is....and you can easily see the Grifternomic pee wee lickers not getting it....😆
@@DavEstra01 it's the clickbait race to the bottom.
@@DavEstra01 It's a mixture of David's modesty and sarcasm, with a dash of clickbait.
I agree it's misleading, but this is a way to workaround the YT algorithm, which heavily favors those types of video titles. People have done experiments that prove that regardless of the actual substance of the video, the title alone affects how the algorithm prioritizes.
The guys at Triggernometry doesn't have an agenda other than having interviews with people from across the politcal spectrum, with scientists, writers, debatours etc. You came into this interview thinking it was a fight and that they were trying to 'get you', which I guess is how debates are in the USA between the left and the right. I think you are incredibly wrong in your perception of how things went and what these two stand for. I actually think that had you properly listened to them, that you would have agreed with them a lot more instead of being so defensive.
These guys have the same type of superiority complex that most British people with a modicum of education have towards everyone who is not from their neck of the woods, they want to act like they are finding holes in people's arguments but all they try to do is do a cute version of whataboutism that will steamroll lazy thinkers but I can see them from a mile away, I don't hold water for the liberals but all this right wing adjacent liberals like this clowns on trigo are not worthy of anyones time and should be left to right wing idiots who need confirmation for their weird bias. As soon as the right wing gain power watch them try to play at reasonable like I and everybody else with functioning brains can't see their obvious disingenuousness
The “Trig” guys acted in good faith. Kudos. Pakman was oily & deflecting. The tactic of making the simple complex is gaslit lunacy.
well put
@@blakesleyk.7166 how was Pakman "oily and deflecting"?
@@htown11465The most simple question of all? “What is a woman?” DPak diverts denying science. Making the simple complex. No. This is why I’ve fled these misogynists. No better than rapist Drumpf.
Konstantin thinks he is much more intelligent and informed than he actually is... you handled this with your usual class and logical impeccability
It is funny how every time David verbally socked a dude in the face with facts, the dude on the left would end up saying, "Well, I do not properly have information for this." It seemed that the dude on the left did not prepare at all. He was so sure to have gotcha moments but was smacked down each time. The dude on the right seemed smart enough to not even try.
FFS. If the Triggernometry lads are 'Right Wing', then the right has REALLY let itself go, lol. It's this kind of disingenuous bollocks from 'progressives' that made me stop identifying with the left.
lol. If you can't recognize that the Trig boys constantly push anti-woke hysteria and right-wing talking points, then you don't pay much attention. Go back and see how many programs they do critiquing the right's extremists. You'll come back pretty empty-handed.
He identified as centrist in the video
@@MO-qd6tm He's fooled himself into believing that or else he's lying. Researchers have found that there really aren't very many independents. They just don't want to overtly identify with the side they prefer for various reasons.
Such a good comment/observation.
@@publiusovidius7386 denying someone's self identity? Their own internal feelings don't represent reality and are delusional? Interesting.
To be honest, that was probably as much of a good faith-centered debate that you could have found today. No name-calling, very little interruptions, everyone had an adequate amount of time to deliver their opinions. While I completely disagree with the hosts, they did an excellent job by letting David speak, and at least try to search for a common ground with him. Neither side seemed to budge much from their ideological perspective, but they keep the conversation constructive, fair, civil, mature, and (most important) on topic.
I think they’re planning on bringing out some sort rebuttal on their channel tomorrow
They completely disregarded his common sense response that prison rape shouldn't be happening at all. The fact that these 2 trolls targeted transgenders, 1% of most populations, shows their bigotry and hatred. Dirty people on whatever cursed show they come from.
@@jimohara Of course. Just like David would be absolutely right to rebut them on his show if he wanted to. It was still exactly how a debate should go. Debates aren't had to convince the opposing party. They're to convince those listening.
@@HistorysMysterys Sure, and that's part of the substance that I will 100% disagree, oppose, and call out; but that's all for naught if they display zero interest in a good faith discussion whatsoever. For whatever it may be worth, it was an actual discussion that occured, and it's both depressingly refreshing (this should be the norm, not the exception) and hopeful they were able to have one.
@@HistorysMysterys Isn’t more like one third of one percent? Somehow ruling over everybody else for some reason
Pakman should run for Senate... He has the word salad down, and most of all he has the strategic conversation ability to back a person in a corner for a "I got you" moment
That went rather well, imo. The host tried to stay in good faith & David, as expected, remained in good faith. This is the model for productive discourse, well done.
They should do their research before the interview....
None of these idiots do it, because then they would realize a lot of their points become instantly invalidated.
Mate, those are just some more Brexiteers!
In case you don't know what that is, it is just like say TrumPETS.
They do "research" on their own! LOL
@@user-xm7cc7sk2x both of them voted Remain
@@user-xm7cc7sk2x Konstantin Kisin and Francis Foster both voted for remain and regularly make the joke, “Because they’re good people”. Calling them Brexiteers is very silly.
Their specifics are true - look it up. They're bloody disaffected lefties like Jimmy Dore, Glen G, Tim Pool, Joe Rogan, Russel B and me. This is so disingenuous and binary. We are a thing.Their specifics are true= look it up. They're bloody disaffected lefties like Jimmy Dore, Glen G, Tim Pool, Joe Rogan, Russel B and me. This is so disingenuous and binary. We are a thing.
Wow David is so impressive in his debating tactics, so nice and respectful yet commanding and knowledgable!
Packman failed miserably on the trans question. If you have to jump through hoops and give a 10 minute definition of a woman, there is something obviously wrong with your answer. You're just trying to please everyone. And if you can't simply say yes or no to whether a person aka man with a penis should be in a women's prison, you aren't answering. "I would have to know more about the case." Huh??? Lol. You know he had a penis. What a cop out.
presidential run when?
They aren't debating with him. They aren't right-wing. This is an interview.
sadly however, it wasn't actually a debate - it was an interview; so those tactics were a complete miss!
Are u kidding? He was in over his head as usual. Unwilling to answer a simple question and face reality
how is this a disaster? great chat again david. I don't agree with you on everything, and at times you come across as condescending, but I love how articulate and clear you are. Great discussion!
Love the fairness and decent exchange of questions and answers. Very refreshing and welcoming for discussion
I thought the whole this is reasonably civil…they admitted themselves they are not experts and wanted David’s insight
I liked this, so I went and saw the whole thing. I had never heard of these guys before, but they seemed respectful and honest in this interview. David did a good job in the interview, as usual, but I am disappointed about how he framed it afterwards, to the point where I think an apology would be warranted.
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Agreed.
lol, "David did a good job, as usual" 'slurp, slurp, slurp, slurp.'
@@user-Marrk LOL, And you mut be fantasizing about getting spitroasted by the other two guys, because you think they are better than David XD
I agree too. I really like these conversations but I feel like David goes into it disingenuously, even prefacing his responses with "are we having an good-faith conversation" which bums me out.
Pac-Man is such a sanctimonious ass
Disaster? Seemed like a good conversation to me.
Pakman: This interview was a disaster…
_Rips off shirt and flexes._
Pakman: …BUT NOT FOR ME! 💪😎
My old mate, sadly passed away, would've said that, similar humor and Witt, thanks for the reminder 😎
Pakman is very good, much better at adlib then most progressives, especially compared to TYT, although definitely on par with Dr Richey.
HULK SMASH
David needs to thumbs up this.
🤣🤣🤣
It wasn’t a disaster for him. But his response to it certainly was.
They didn’t even last 1 question… lol
it was an interview, not a debate...
@@folepi7995 aren’t you supposed to answer questions during an interview?
@@bryanrymer1 david was interviewed.
I didnt seem they wanted to debate but rather just get answers.
I dont know them and they seem biased. But in europe it is often not about bashing, just asking criticial questions. its not a debate
@@bryanrymer1 and David (the interviewee) did. If you think this was either a debate or him interviewing them then this video has been edited and presented appallingly
Would love to see the rest of this interview. Is there a full video?
As a veteran I'm telling you that the pull out of Afghanistan was a complete disaster. We know how to move things, the Air Force mission is literally "Global Reach, Global Power". We know logistics and getting in and of places while securing priority resources. It's literally our job. The pull out was so pathetically horrible I personally felt it was complete incompetence beyond orders or magnitude.
David is just too sharp. This whole interview was like a lion gently playing with its food 😂
Too slippery you mean
@@jimohara jimmy from philly? Is that you?!
@@jimohara Slippery how? David cuts through the bs and gets straight to the issue pretty much every time.
Right, especially when david lied about Trump not coming up with alternative methods for the Afghan withdraw. He is obsessed with Trump and watches him closer than anyone, so we know for a fact he is lying about that.
@@axetune really? What was Trumps response then, when asked how he would have done the withdraw?
I don’t think it was a disaster. It was refreshing to see conservatives be so calm and willing to compromise.
Is that because they’re from the UK?
Excuse me, good sir, I believe you mean "classical liberals"!
They aren't Conservative, they definitely lean left so I don't know why David is claiming they're Right wing
@@henry-js The bloke on the left is centre right, and the bloke on the right is centre-left . One of each.
@@ccf3294 Francis is a centre leftist ex-teacher mate. Konstantin is a centre leftist Russian/Ukrainian immigrant to the UK who's worked in comedy for years. Neither of them are on the right.
According to the queer community. (I’m queer, but not my opinion ) a woman is a person from the opposite sex appropriating the female persona , including makeup hair and physical features such as breasts
Mr. Pakman, who decides the titles for your TH-cam segments? This was an interesting interview and exchange of ideas and viewpoints.
"I struggle to imagine how [pulling out of Afghanistan] could've gone worse" - So either this commentator knows nothing about how the US leaving Vietnam went, or he's outrageously uncreative...or both.
It actually went quite well for the US… We cut the umbilical cord of the corrupt Afghan government. FUK EM
trump and intelligent people around the world think getting out of afghan was good... BUT..... as trump said why not get the people out first then the military.. that's what was wrong. taking out the military first was the disaster and all the deaths and people left behind are proof.
@@olecrowey but they’re all Afghan citizens?… All of the US citizens had a free ticket out of there 🤷🏻♂️ ( you’re gonna say… “But what about the 2 US citizens left ?” ) A couple of dual citizens that had families and businesses there did not want to leave… too BAD
@@fern7306 the u.s state department says 9thousand usa citizens unaccounted for in afghan.. do some research. they was abandoned along with billions of dollars of usa tax payers military equipment... leaving afghan good idea.. how we left bad idea,, unless you call 15 dead marines a good idea.
@@olecrowey it was better than the pull out of Vietnam…🤷🏻♂️ . Also over two decades of pumping our tax dollars into that shit hole country and training/funding their military. The crumbled in days and ran like cowards. I have NO sympathy for Afghanistan.
Also, your numbers are wrong… 9000 US citizens are trapped there⁉️… Source❓
This is why David is a 1 and done interviewee for conservatives.
Michael Knowles will never have him back.
Neither will these two clowns, nor Ben Shapiro. Shapiro actively avoids him.
"What changed materially"
"How dare you expect us to debate tangible results"
JLP has mumbled into the chat
@@kummynipples ahmazin
@@philwill0123 BAAAAYTA!
They got punkd , good job D. Pakman way to represent!!
Actually, a very productive discussion, for once. Thank you, David, but also thanks to the other two who seemed wanting to discuss in honesty and in good faith. Thankfully, David can break everything down and seems to know all the data and facts about every discussion point.
All the respect that I had for you going on their show is now gone. If you are the kind of person that pretends to be willing to engage in a respectful conversation and then goes and mocks and derides the person you engaged with then you are a duplicitous, inauthentic person and not worth listening to
He's done this before. He's a miserable, cowardly weasel.
I don’t understand what he did wrong. If anything, he made the progressive POV more understandable to a couple conservatives. I understand the show was longer that this clip, but all I saw here was a reasonable discussion, and if anything, David simply communicated things honestly and made these hosts (and hopefully some of their viewers) see that progressivism can make sense, when explained by an actual progressive and not by an anti-progressive propagandist who cares more about an agenda than reality.
He conceded that Biden is not as sharp as he used to be. He pointed out some examples of trump making empty promises (which I know republicans don’t like hearing), and pointed out some of Biden’s accomplishments without acting like some sycophant, which is how a normal person is SUPPOSED to feel about a political candidate (which trump and his fans have forgotten).
He discussed the trans issue with them, and both sides made points and conceded others. Sounds intellectually honest to me.
Are you simply upset that he didn’t just come on and let them berate him the whole time, and ultimately accept all their points without argument? What exactly did he do wrong?
@@mola55e5 I'd strongly encourage you to watch the entire conversation from start to finish on Triggernometry's channel. I believe you when you say "you don't understand what he did wrong" the fact that you refer to Konstantin and Francis as a "couple of conservatives" means you've missed the issue completely.
They aren't a couple of conservatives. Francis has been politically left leaning his entire life.
The issue is he entered into a conversation with apparent respect and then when it was finished, returned to his own channel and knowingly and deliberately mislabeled them as conservatives and spoke disrespectfully about them and the interview.
Watch the full interview. Form your own opinion as to both parties' conduct. Watch all the subsequent videos he's made regarding that interview and watch their response to his behaviour post interview.
Then let me know your opinion of his behaviour. Perhaps you'll still condone it, perhaps not, but at the very least you'll be fully informed of the situation.
@@mola55e5 I've never once seen them berate, belittle or mock a guest and believe me if they ever did I'd be "simply upset" with them not their guest.
They have always conducted themselves with integrity. It's the only way discussions like that can be successful.
I know a significant portion of the audience has wanted to see David get double teamed. Not my thing, but I’ll watch
David has shown he can handle debate even when handicapped. He debated Jesse. That's like debating 10 clowns at once.
I see what you did there 😂
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Pac-Man= Beta.
Perverts.
What I have learnt from watching David is if you feel cornered because you know you're in the wrong, but are smart enough to see it coming, just simply hold your hands up and say "I don't know enough about that one to comment" lolololol
What I have learnt from watching conservatives is that if you don't know enough about something to comment, you immediately take the most extreme and simple-minded opinion stated in the most aggressive way possible.
Unless you get challenged, at which point your only two options are to either act indignant and throw a baby-fit, or be honest and fold like a wet paper towel.
I love how the conservative brought up two things that he "hadn't done enough research on". Also I wish the point about ciswomen sexually assaulting other ciswomen in prison was pushed further.
Oh, they're not "conservatives". They're "centrists". You can tell by the way they don't say a single negative thing about Trump and shit on Biden. You know... centrism.
They aren’t conservatives
@@schenksteven1 except for the bit where they agree with every right wing talking point out there.
@@DavidHeffron78 pro single payer health care, pro higher taxes, pro union…. Yeah, they are definitely regurgitating all the conservative talking points
@@schenksteven1 my apologies. Perhaps you could link to some of this pro-union talk. I couldn't find it.
Disaster? I feel like I watched a different interview. I thought it was a very frank, open, honest and well mannered exchange.
Joke
It was a disaster for them, they got embarrassed on each point
They're just being they're regular right wing grifting transphobic selves. I mean CONstantine seems like he holds a lot of secrets. All his pals are right wing nut jobs that are hurting real people's lives. Two losers.
Disaster!? I thought this debate/discussion was very good faith and productive.
David’s clickbait titles are a long running deliberate joke that he has mentioned many many times 😄
@@leobird8756 ah gotcha, don’t watch David all the time so didn’t know
Gotcha. So he just blatantly lies for marketing purposes and calls it a "joke".
Except on the part of the 'gotcha-seeking' hosts, of course.
I mean 'David, what is a woman?' Are you admitting that these two don't know anything about women?
It's nice to gather further evidence that the alt-right is largely a hate-group consisting of gay men... like yourself...
@@purdysanchez Well, they *are* right-wingers... and the interview *IS* a disaster: they couldn't get a single one of their 'gotchas' to land... I'd say that was a disaster for them, but you seem to have a higher tolerance for their nonsense, probably because your time is valued so low.
Title seems 100% accurate so far...
This is what a discussion should be.
Konstantin and Francis are fine human beings and very much left of centre on most issues. I enjoyed the unusual conversation when it first aired; David appeared to be a credible and honest broker - but this upload and his comments tell me otherwise. A pity.
No surprise, though. Progs always stab you in the back, or sodomize you first.
Steady on. They're not the worst but their whole platform is about "owning the libs" - when did they ever passionately advocate for any progressive issue? Or frame an issue like free speech in a way that doesn't lean to the right?
Well said
Yup, Francis in particular is very much an 'old school' leftie
@@mattygino "old-school" aka conservative. Do you not process the words you type? Maybe in 30 years I will stay exactly how I am now and be an "old-school lefty" and therefore completely toothless and unthreatening to conservatives and reactionary.
Very misleading title. "Progressive mops the floor with right-wingers. Killed them with kindness. "
At least the floor was cleaned. That’s more than right-wingers are usually good for.
They’re not right wing.
Not even right-wing. They're answers are correct look them up. They're bloody disaffected lefties like Jimmy Dore, Glen G, Tim Pool, Joe Rogan, Russel B and me. This is so disingenuous and binary. We are a thing. Do some actual research.
David, David. No reason to use clickbait titles. Your commentary and conversations are certainly good enough!
Those hosts got dragged, and David made it look easy.
Ana Kasparian said it best: "Debates are easy when you have the facts on your side"
It wasn’t a debate. It was an interview.
@@tylerblack676 And quoting Kasparian and facts in the same sentence too, brilliant!
I liked this conversation, it was a real conversation, as opposed to robots repeating talking points and constantly referring to them as if David did not say anything if substance.
These guys are actually considering David's word against their own positions and giving reasonable responses. Of course, their opinions probably don't align with David's, so the responses are careful and defensive. But they seem genuine and reasonable
Great clip!
In complete agreement.
These guys (really just the one) did a good job.
That is all well and good, but its because those two guys don't push back against crazy right wing types either. It may be consistent, but I would rather they be consistently critical, rather than consistently accepting..
Probably because these guys aren’t right wing.
They are centrists who lean LEFT on virtually every single topic.
We have to bear in mind that “Liberalism” in the USA does not line up 100% with liberalism in the UK, or really anywhere else for that matter.
The exact same should be said about “conservatism” American style versus other country’s.
David’s mislabeling of them as right wing planted the thought in viewers’ minds that they must be.
And then what we saw didn’t line up with that.
We are ALL doing WAY TOO MUCH labeling of each other.
Goddamn I have never seen someone more politely bully their opponents as in this discussion. Much respect to DPak, these guys were not expecting to be put on the back foot
Relocating our Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem- amid outcry- was one major thing which Donald Trump did, regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I'm not a scholar on the region, but it seemed to me like a foolish move. It was certainly done to please Christian fundamentalists at home, rather than to promote peace abroad.
I enjoy discussions like this...neither called each other a nazi right off the bat...just honest talk
Those clowns: "We're not Trumpists."
Also those clowns: "David, please explain why you think Trump wasn't a serious, respected world leader."
It's quite simple, Lenny. He's a lying idiot! A dangerous human being...
Also these clowns: “I haven’t researched any of my talking points enough for them to survive the tiniest rebuttal.”
rump was laughed at all over the world. Putin was so strong for him haha. never meet a dictator he didn't love. the only thing more a joke then rump is u
Three world leaders Trudeau, Macron and Johnson all of them our allies were caught on camera making fun of Trump.
@@zeusnjeff LOL. Truth!
You should change the title, this was a very respectful and reasonable discussion.
It’s hard to have a debate if the opposition knows literally nothing about the issues at hand. That being said, the trans section of the video was fascinating. Both parties, but especially David got me to think about the issue in more detail. You did a great job, David.
This title should be changed if possible. C'mon David pretty unfair to have a good faith argument on both sides and then shit on them in the title behind their back. Really shuts down any future possible conversations.
1. Immigration 2. BLM 3. Trans people
The fact that these are their three main issues says it all. Love how David handled this.
Rightwing still hasn't just figured out they are fascists. They fear the other it's not shocking .
The whole Trump not articulating that he would have done anything different during the Afghanistan withdraw is 1000% dishonest. Trump has talked about keeping the Bhagram airbase open, keeping the military there until everyone was out, and getting the equipment out as well, among other things.
David streams every single Trump rally where Trump has discussed what he would do different on multiple occasions. David is such a partisan hack he has to try and spin a false narrative just to try and minimize the embarrassment that Biden is.
Also, saying that polling shows the U.S. is more respected now with Biden is also a joke. The world leaders actions suggest otherwise. China literally lambasted this administration right to their face in Alaska, Israel and Palestine started hurling missiles again, and Putin invaded Ukraine.
David is bad faith personified.
Also, when he says he doesn't care about the democratic party when all he does is constantly defend the democratic party and attack the other party he is also being completely dishonest with that as well.
Luckily, we have advocates stopping world conquest from immigrant black trans people. 🙄
Those are ALL the Talking points of the Brexiteers of Nigel Farage!
PS. Farage and Trump are loverboys! LOL
Fragile white male syndrome. Nothing to see here, so move along!
Just to note, the number one issue in the UK is the cost of living and the extra 500 pound a month on a mortgage. Neither trans rights or immigration are in peoples top 5’s.
I’ll never understand why conservatives are so obsessed with trans issues in which they mostly rely on hypothetical situations to posit their positions. Sexual assault is rampant in American prisons within both genders, if trans people are responsible for any of that, it’s almost certainly a minuscule fraction of that violence just based on a tiny proportion of the overall prison population being trans in the first place. Why get so hung up on just a relative handful of the sexual assaults taking place daily inside our correctional facilities while seemingly ignoring the overwhelming majority of them seemingly because they’re being committed by men & women who identify with their biological gender? It seems their outrage for trans related sexual assaults far outweighs their contempt for the far more common sexual assaults with non-trans inmates. Why?
David: "What changed materially?"
Host: 😧😧😧😧 "umm let not spend too much time on it!"
LMFAO!!!
But there were material changes. Progress was made
@@jimohara like what?
@@Ilovehiphopmuzik1 Well, correct me if I’m wrong, but direct flights between some countries and Israel weren’t previously allowed and now they are allowed. Previously there was no travel or business allowed between two countries and now there is.
Do you realize how preposterous David’s argument was here. Different countries signed the Abraham Accords, and while they might not have achieved everlasting peace there must have been something otherwise what are the nations signing up too in the first place? No change, which is David’s position, is not a credible answer. If there was no change then why not just not sign up to a new agreement? Riddle me that.
He does the same move when it comes to the border wall with Mexico. The border wall wasn’t built. But there’s border wall standing there that wasn’t around before Trump took office. Do you not realize what sort of a sophist David is? He’ll take three half truths and spin them into a lie and try and pass that off to the gullible. And he’s very good at it too
Judging by the blank uncomfortable stares, these guys clearly weren't prepared for what they just experienced.
When your position is shallow and unsupported by facts, you tend to assume the other side is equally show and no substance... then... oops.
These guys were in no way prepared and it clearly showed 🤦🏿♂️
David ate them alive at every gotcha point they tried to hit him with 😂
TRUTH!
“I haven’t done enough research.” That, dearest Constantine, is self evident.
David's definition of "woman" at 11:25 is circular. He's basically saying you're a woman if you're trying to be a woman. But that doesn't answer what a woman is.
What do you define woman as
It is easy to interpret it that way, but I think what he actually means is not circular. The second "woman" refers to the loose collective perception society currently has of what it means to be a woman, a combination of physical and behavioral characteristics. Now, Pakman's definition would technically be a part of the perception society has, but it would be insignificant. He likely _perceives_ whether someone is a woman much more often though pattern matching/intuition.
If anyone wants to say the maximum age for a USA president is 75 years old I would be on board with that.
Agreed they should take a fit for duty test, example was Trumps fat ass, no way was he healthy after steady diet of mcdonalds and cokes.
I mean it should at least be lower than the average age that people die in the country..right?
What changed materially?
Ruh roh... 😂
Wow. Holy schnikes this was good. The guys interviewing you were great, in that they asked questions in good faith, allowing for fair back and forth while being trampled by straight forward logic and reason.
Some progress was made....
David- in what way....
Ummmmmmm......
Lol
The host in the maroon blazer calling himself a centrist is hilarious and then using Jesse Lee Peterson tactics. David saying "you seem so honest" is why he's the best.
Centrist = low IQ conservative who doesn't have the balls to call themselves a conservative.
Well he is British. They already have progressive/leftist economics and aren't wanting to change that. So he is pro universal health care and you are going to disallow him from calling himself a centrist because of cultural issues? Seems harsh.
@@EchoBravo370 The thing is compared to the US the entirety of Europe can be considered left-wing or at least centrist. We all have universal healthcare, paid maternal leave, free or very affordable college etc. Even the Nazis here in Sweden wants to keep universal healthcare, but I wouldn't call them centrists. I'm a centrist in Swedish context (I vote for the Center Party) but compared to the US, I'm very left-wing especially on social issues. Even compared to the UK I would consider myself left-wing. But these guys are definitely not centrists, even in a UK context. Just because they support universal healthcare doesn't make them centrists.
"A woman is someone who is trying to exist as a woman." That's called a circular definition. Trying to exist as what?
Triggernometry is such a joke of a show. They speak so strongly on issues, and when confronted on them basically admit to misinformation. "Well I don't know enough on that", "I haven't done enough research on that", "let's not get into it too much".
Hi David. I respectfully take issue with the title of this video. This debate was not a "disaster", certainly not a "double-team" by any sense of the word (though it perhaps languished on less important topics). The guy on the right barely said a word, and the guy on the left was a good-faith actor, certainly not snarky or condescending like most of the right-wingers you talk to. I think branding the conversation so negatively reduces chances of future debates with these gentlemen or others like them, and that is a disservice to your viewers (and possibly your show), since good-faith discussions across the political spectrum are so difficult to find. Simply put, and obviously axiomatic, it is important to promote norms of civil dialogue in our generally hateful, echo chamber-like world of discourse.
Well said. Mind you they aren't right wingers
Well said
This
@@gn2540they aren't right wingers but promote Daily Wire, Heritage Foundation talking points on the daily? Huh? Two grifting creeps who always complain about "wokeness", being "cancelled", and the ever popular, "this doesn't get talked about enough by the evil mainstream media". Do you trust these two, who think that "grooming" is being done by LGBT? How come they don't have a word to say about molesting Evangelicals? These types are in the business to make up "problems". Normal folks laugh at them 😂😂