American Reacts to UNIMOG vs HMMWV / Hummer Off-road TEST
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I grew up in the scottish highlands and remember a large military exercise where a local estate was asked by the military to use its unimog to pull some armoured vehicles (scout cars mainly) out of peat bogs. It was the only vehicle that could get into the bog and slowly drag the light armour out (it also used a winch and ground anchor). For such terrain the unimog is one of the few sensible truck choices.
@hansgans297 Well that's more difficult than it sounds. Scotland has long been a heavily tourist filled place. For stunning scenery and more solitude you can travel up the west coast into Sutherland and round the top towards Wick then the Orkney and Shetlands. However that doesn't have many attractions as they tend to be in the cities and central belt. I come from the Highlands which has the mountains so specialises in hiking, climbing and snow sports (although not been a lot of snow the last decade). There is also hunting, shooting and fishing (very expensive in Scotland though). I am from the Spey valley and you can look up "the whisky trail" which is a guide to a lot of distilleries you can visit (they have free samples so careful of drink driving or liver issues). Castles/stately homes are scattered all over the place with many open to the public, best best for that sort of thing is the visitscotland website. Another thing scattered all round the place (much to the surprise of people) are megolithic sites, many as old as stonehenge but again referencing guide website is advisable for those. Then the main citied have more to do but will have the greatest number of tourists (Edinburgh, Glasgow, etc.). There are many coach companies that do organised tours all over scotland but I'm not sure which are still operating after the pandemic.
My dad experienced something similar during his time in the German army in the 60s. There was an exercise by the tank troops to learn maneuvering in peat bog terrain, where an M48 Patton got stuck. they called for the armored recovery vehicle to pull them out. but it got stuck too.
the exercise was paused to get another recovery vehicle from the base to recover the two tanks. they arrived, looked at the situation and immediately called for two unimogs from the base, knowing their armored recovery vehicle was too heavy to drive there off the road and the winch alone not strong enough to pull them out. in the end there were 2 unimogs and 1 M88 ARV pulling another M88 ARV pulling an M48 MBT. 😂
@HansGans Be sure to also have a look at Applecross (Bealach na Ba), and perhaps for a couple of short but stunning nature walks, Reelig Glen on the outskirts of Inverness, or The Big Burn walk at Golspie, just across from the stunning Dunrobin castle.
Oh yes, my dad told me some stories like that! He served as a tank commander in the early 80s in the german Bundeswehr, and his Unit went to Scotland for a live round exercise on long range. They always had some UNIMOGS around
Used by British power distribution companies to maintain pylons ect
Here in germany you can see these Unimogs everywhere. And a lot of them are having a Sticker at the rearend that says: Sure can you go faster but i can go everywhere. I think that sums it up.
I live in Germany I’m not sure if I ever have seen one my self. Don’t lie
@@henningmango5031here lives someone who has actually 4 of them😂
It depends on where You live in Germany. In my region, rhineland-palatinate, where there's a Lot of agriculture and forst covered Hills, You'll See them much more offen, than in Berlin City Center 😂. Here nearly every farmer, winemaker, forester and riding stable owner got more than one of them. They are reliable, tough, easy to maintain and as good as unstoppable. Even the fire brigade uses them vor patrolling the forests in hot and dry summers.
@@jensschneider4624 thats right, here in Niedersachsen the street workers are using them for cleaning, mowing or snow plowing. and as you said, farmers, forester and many other are having them.
The Unimog was designed to be an agricultural vehicle that was modified for military use, also would love to own a Unimog
Ploughshares into swords...
I saw one driving down the street just last week, it was painted black.
I think he drove the unimog in 4th or 5th gear it empty no need to go lower that Was not even warming the mog to work Temperatur. 🤣I drove it succsesor the 435 1300L in german army ...so inside it wouldnd feeling so bad as it looked from the outside. the frame is build to flex alot and the bed is an engineering masterpiece on it's on many overlander build on unimog base on original beds or atleast it' monting .
Well, if you want a Unimog that is more "agriculture-oriented", you should definitely look at the MB-Trac. They are way better for those kind of jobs.
The nz army sold a few off for $20,000nzd a few years ago
HMMWV after the test : yeah ! I managed to get trough that track. Unimog : what track ?
LOL! You nailed it!
Also keep in mind that if I'm not mistaken, this is a Unimog 406 from the 60s. I know nothing about humvees but I think they were put into service in the 80s? So the humvee also as at least a 20 year technology advantage over that specific Unimog.
Typisch Amerikaner als wären die besten und die größten. Vergiss es ;) Man könnte gleiche Baujahr mal testen ;)
MADE in Germany sagt schon viel und USA ?? th-cam.com/users/shortsXblSz80B57g Jeah!
Maybe the UNIMOG was a little bit shacky on the track but there was NO wheel spinning at all compared to the humvee. like @martinseel2837 wrote "what track..." there was no track just meadow!!!
hello @martinseel2837 I think they didn't understand my German, so I'm writing in English
Typical Americans, as if they were the best and greatest. Forget it ;) You could test the same year of manufacture ;)
MADE in Germany says a lot and USA ?? th-cam.com/users/shortsXblSz80B57g Yeah!
I was in the german army when the Hummer/HMMWV was tested by german army as a replacement for their VW Iltis and Mercedes G vehicles and all variants of the UNIMOG (some people in the german army had in those days the idea (for logistics reasons) to replace ALL lighter 4 x 4 vehicles with variating models from only one "base vehicle" - and those people were "motivated" also by a lot of political pressure from the USA to "buy american" and - as rumour says, some pribe money from GM...). The tests were severe m multinational and "inofficial" - and very interesting: The Hummvee was a very good vehicle, to astonishing of the germans very reliable and could be orderd in many usefull variations - and it had a so much lower profile in battlefield... yes it was a possible replacement for Iltis, Wolf (mercedes G class) and most UNIMOGs of the Bundeswehr - BUT: It was expensive (even an much bigger 2 t UNIMOG of the 1500 series was cheaper than an Standard USA built Hummvee), and most important: The Hummvee was constructeed and was build for american drivers! Automatic transmission, foot-operated parking break and an "suspension" that was so hard that german test drivers got used to lay some pillows under their ass when they had to drive the Hummvee - and, to say it in an brutal and unpleasant way, this american brick was much to large (or wide) for german roads in urban areas, and it was not only very wide, the turning radius of this thing was also much too large - even an bigger 2 t UNIMOG 1500 had a much lesser turning radius than those early models of the Hummvee. Later versions of the Hummvee featured than better suspension and a slightly smaller turning radius. But during thoses tests, all drivers, even the drivers from the us army, agreed unisono, that the Hummvee is NOT pleasant to drive, when compared (under german road conditions) with the vehicles in question Mercedes Wolf (G-Class), Mercedes UNIMOG 416 class and VW Iltis (the VW Iltis had a big problem in those days due to too much accidents - a lot of german military drivers used to drive the Iltis on the german autobahn at speeds of over 100 miles per hour - and this military soft-top off-road vehicle was (surprisingly) not so stable at those speeds and so there were quiet a few Iltis that "turned over" (never seen an VW Iltis in troubles when it was driven how it was intended) ... but in those days Mercedes-Benz did a lot of lobby-work against all vehicles in the german military, that were not made by Mercedes-Benz.... Mercedes-Benz had (traditionally) much tighter relations to the german military and much more influence in politics than Volkswagen (some people spoke from the "companies with 1000-year-contracts with the german military" in referrence to the role this companies played during the, official 1000 years to last, III. Reich of the nazi-government). In the end, the Hummvee was considered "not suitable" for german road conditions, the Volkswagen Iltis was sorted out as too "dangerous" and the Mercedes Wolf (G-class) and its variants and the Mercedes UNIMOGs stayed and played an even increasing role in the german military. Some month later the last Volkswagen modells of the german Bundeswehr, the much beloved VW Transporters (Bulli) and the absolute legendary VW Model 181 (named in the Bundeswehr "Kübelwagen" in referrence to its Grandpa the Volkswagen Typ 82 from Wolrdwar II) - and also known in the usa as VW Safari or "the thing" - a nightmare for any car-mechanic, but beloved by it´s users) had also to leave the german military - also not for technical reasons, but due to political pressure from other companies. there was this saying in the german military on those days: When it has tyres, but it has no Mercedes-Star on it, it is not fit for german military...
Very interesting comment. Thank you.
US Stuff is always overpriced and only sold thru ... blackmail and pressure
Unimog in its class tays unbeaten... But in bigger weight classes Rheinmetall Military Trucks (Former M. A. N.) are state of the Art, without any doubt.
And also iveco / Magirus ans others are present in the german army.
The days of Mercedes rule in german army Truck invrntory are history.
In 1984 when I joined the Bundeswehr, Type 82 was still used, but phased out due to their age. I am not a mechanic, but anything you said about them being a nightmare to work on, would count for the beetle as well, right? The Iltis was very capable offroad. In driving school at Wildflecken they warned us about them because the Bundeswehr asked that the vehicle could be used on railroad tracks 🛤️ and hence it turned out too narrow and the 75 hp engines too strong. I have personally visited two guys who had lost control over an Iltis in hospital ( no severe injuries, but concussions bruises, whiplash). Of course they claimed they were „cut“ by a white Mercedes. When they told me where it happened (a fast S-curve with a railroad xing in the middle) I knew that they had been too fast.
Lastly don’t forget the DKW-Munga. a great vehicle for its time and sought after, except….. 2 stroke engine and a nightmare for the next three vehicles following, when driven in a convoy. In 1984 Mungas were history already.
In the South African army we had a mine proof version of the Mog, called a Buffel. We always joked, if you got stuck in a Buffel, you either needed a bulldozer or another Buffel to get you out. An amazing vehicle
Drove that one too.
I drove an Unimog in the German Bundeswehr. They are virtually unstoppable. The older version, like the one in the video, was even more reliable than newer version.
The engine is practically between the two front seats. Covered only with a sheet metal hood. Easy to maintain, but the noise inside the cabin was incredible. Also, while in winter we enjoyed the warm cabin, in summer it became very hot inside. Great memories, thanks for sharing this video.
Never saw this type of Unimog during my service time, my Company had 1,5t S 404 Unimogs in early 80s , the new one is a 2t,
never saw the type in the Video in Comany service but the "Standortverwaltung" had this type with a short truckbed, but i saw this type in Videos from the South african army i think it was during namibia and Angola wars.
As a Infantryman i hated the S 404 1,5t only a Canvas Top for the Cabin and on the truckbed it was icecold in Winter we drove MEG Patrols in winter minus 7-10 degree with 8 or nine Men and no canvas over the Truck bed , Roads full with ice n snow, an accident/flip over and you have a full load of dead soldiers. The new 2 t had at least a a full enclosed "steel" Drivers Cabin.
During exercises we had often a FK 20 (20mm) in tow of a S 404, "im Gelände" the S 404 was really good, a reliable little Truck for one infantry squad.
SIMCA copied the Unimog with its SIMCA UNIC for French army service but even in the 80s i saw some French and Belgium Paratropper units driving in S404 Unimogs.
Pretty much like the IFA used to be, simple and efficient
Unimog 406 , 416 like in this Video used as well by the Bundeswehr
The French army was the first one using the S 404. This is the reason, why it got not a diesel engine. The Bundeswehr adapted these Unimogs later.
Die alten Benziner brauchen extrem viel Sprit.
As others mentioned, the Unimog seemed to go faster than the Hummer, thus increasing the chance for it to flip over (being taller nad thinner (relative to its length) also didn't help). But it did seem to me the Unimog, possibly because it had better grip, was driven a bit more recklessly.
So, on account of the above, I'd say the Unimog was better / would have more clearly done better if it were driven like the Hummer was.
Also, when they're really loaded with people and/or stuff, they're not going to be as bouncy as they were now ....
The Unimog has a higher center of gravity, therefore it tilts easier. But.... we didn't manage to tip one over back then in the army, even though we risked it.
@@wernerviehhauser94 Ha, to be young... Never drove anything like an Unimog. But, back when, I did go offroading with my Citröen AX. I mean, as much as possible, which was actually more than would be fair to expect. The thing wieghed less than 700Kg, if I remember correctly and the body was as tough as cardboard. But it did moe itself around. 😅
Unimog 1960 Hummer 1980
The Uni took ~70sec, the Hummer ~ 110sec. So the Uni drove about 50% faster.
One thing to mention: being narrow allows Unimogs and Pinzgauers to be operated in the woods, where no Humwee ever could make it‘s way through the narrow pathways. So having narrower axles has benefits in forrestal environments such as the alpine terrains for examples.
Pinzgauer 6x6 is a beast.
@@janreid6217pinzi 712k ist top ich fahre ihn lieber als den unimog den er ist nicht so hoch. Aber dennoch endlos laut
I have been a driver of a Leopard 2. Sometimes we have been transported in a Unimog as shown in the video. This device is amazing ! Almost every terrain can be overcome with this Unimog. What I loved especially was it's hand throttle and its ruggedness. An incredible vehicle.
Wo der Humvee aufgibt, fängt es für den Unimog erst an und das Model ist einer aus den 60/70er Jahren 😅.
Moin, Mog Land Rover D90 D110 Pinzgauer MAN 4/4 ural dat sind offroder aber nicht dieser ami sch----.
A couple years ago at Northwest Mogfest there were 2 H1 Surplus Humvees playing around in “The Pit”. There were Mogs, Pinzgauers, C303’s, Rovers, Land Cruisers etc all at this event. Of all of them the Hummer was the least capable. They were very prone to getting high centered and couldn’t make the tight turns in the pit. 1 truck ended up broken and the other had to be pulled out several times. That being said Mogs are great if you don’t mind cruising 50-55 mph. “Unimogs aren’t slow trucks they are fast Tractors.” T-Lo’s Ultimate Off-Road.
A more reasonable comparison would be a humvee vs. a Mercedes G Class (military name "Wolf").
When i was at the german army we had a saying "you can nearly go everywhere with a Wolf. where the Wolf cant, use an Unimog. where the Unimog cant, you dont wanna go to anyway".
The UNIMOG may look very wobbly, but that's actually part of it's patented design. The entire chassis is made to bend. It also doesn't fall over so easily. It can still drive sideways up to a slope of 40 degrees.
In Austria we still have mandatory military service and when I did mine I was actually a truck driver. We had Unimogs of course but I was assigned to a so-called Pinzgauer, which is very agile but also very prone to falling over, since it's quite high but also very narrow. Watching this tumbling Unimog kinda reminded me of the time I almost put one of those Pinzgauers on its side while driving through the woods.
Pinzgauers are awesome and I know someone in Melbourne Australia who has one.
@@Maddog00427 learn to read
The Pinzgauer is very good, we had 4x4s and 6x6s when I was in the Swiss Army and what I saw there, what you can do with them is almost unbelievable. Therefore, I would hardly be convinced by another vehicle in the class. The Unimog is actually one weight class higher, but would then be the next choice.
@@Maddog00427 Austria, no kangoroos
@@nightmare_1337 Righto Champ.. That was on me..
As a kid in the New Zealand Cadet corps we loved the Unimog
I was driving that kind of Unimog in the Germany Army back in the late 70s. Was even following tanks across fields at speed. And there was no hole in soggy terrain you couldn't get out of, engaging 4-wheel-drive and if that didn't help engaging the reduction gear (with differential lock). Wonderful machine, no comparison to a Hummer.
I drove the Unimog in the Australian Army (Transport) and they are pretty amazing if you use all the features (pressurised diffs, diff locks etc.). They also have portal axles so ground clearance and wading depth is crazy. I also drove some HMMWVs here and there which aren't at all bad, just designed to fit inside transport aircraft so need to be lower hence some compromises.
Also, the Unimog in this clip is OLD, possibly the very last model at the beginning of the HMMWV's service.
They both use portal style axles
@@budgreen4x4 They both have portal geared hubs but the Unimog is the only one with axles, the Humvee uses drive shafts and CV joints.
@@hybrid9mm oh ok, so the driveshaft connects to a CV joint which drives the hubs via .. Bluetooth?
Regardless, they both use portal style axles
@@budgreen4x4 I see you lack mechanical knowledge, this was a chance to learn something but you chose to stay ignorant, but I’ll try once more.
They both use portal hubs, an axle is actually a different part of a vehicle. When the hubs are combined to an axle it then becomes a portal axle.
The Humvee doesn’t have axles as it has independent suspension, it only uses the portal hubs.
I’ll await your next attempt at sarcasm.
@@hybrid9mm so, what connects the portal hubs to the independent suspension?
Jfc man, don't act like a know it all if you can't get the basics
When any offroad vehicle is stuck it's drawn out by an Unimog.
"4WD is when you get stuck in a place, where a tow truck can't even go."
So, have a tow truck with 4WD - and this is it.
I just found out that the US-Army was also using the Unimog. About 2400 of these were shipped to the States.
When I was soldier in the Bundeswehr, I was the leader of a small surveying unit for armoured artillery (M 109). We first had a M 113 and then we had to switch to an Unimog. First I was not happy, but then I recognized that the Unimog (same model as in the video) can go where no M 113 can go.
I love the Ox !
Well weight makes a huge difference especially off road
I used to have a 406 mog ( as in the video) overland camper, they are incredibly capable. I have yet to drive another vehicle that gets more attention.
I think I still have a cab and chassis for one somewhere.
@@ForeverNeverwhere1
Our "Koffer" (suitcase) had a big box bureau for rt equipment on the back, where we did the paperwork. Sometimes we had to sleep in there.
That "ox" was one of few Unimogs with a 6 cylinder petrol engine. It boozed like my boys !
@@juergenstange6844 yep, mine was an ex radio vehicle too, previous owner bought it from German army surplus.
Mine was a diesel though, still thirsty, but bearable then.
we used them in the belgium army as well, 1 with bunkbeds and toolcabinets for mechanics, 1 with a feuldrum and a few just as crew transport. With those we had the most fun, 12 people in the back of it, and wiggle like crazy giving the driver a scare now and then, because he could see the koffer go left and right in his mirrors nearly tipping them over. But no matter how much we wiggled it never tipt over :)
The unimog is starting to become popular in Australia as a camping vehicle. If I got the option I would go with the unimog . More ground clearance and there's not to many places they can't go.
That test track looked like it was designed so that the Humvee could just make it through, and then the Unimog idled through it like, “wait that’s it?”.
What test track? It was a flat surface
"Capable" is an understatement. This is capability monster. In my region, this things are used for agriculture and forestry work, firefighting, trash collector, road maintenance, construction work and military use in all terrains. If a tractor is burning, the Unimog is the first fire truck there, maybe the only one capable to get there too.
The Unimog is unbeatable. Drove one in the early 80s under all conditions. Only disadvantage: It was extremely loud inside. It was the gasoline motor, not the diesel.
I loved the diesel.
I have owned 3 unimogs.
They are hands down the best off-road truck in stock form
Ah, I used to drive one of those Unimogs from about the same era, built in the 1960s , with a mobile radio unit in the back around 1997 in the German army. Was fun doing some percussion with the antennas on the signs while going through a McDonalds drive-through. 🤣
holy shit dude, nearly 100k subs! i remember the 5k days. happy for you mate, you've definitely put in the work. :)
Thank you 🎉🙏
don't worry, little hummer. unimog is there and will tow you out when you get stuck.
be happy, little hummer. today you may play with the big boys.
fun fact: the german word "Hummer" means "lobster" in english.
Are you stuck, step-hummer? =P
there is a tiny but fierce offroad vehicle from the austrian military called "pinzgauer". i drove one of those. basically a little unimog. comes with 2 or 3 axels. super fun to drive
Pinzgauer is not tiny at all, especially next to a Steyr Haflinger
Whats worth mentioning here is that this unimog seems to be a very old model (looks like a 406 from the 60s) and therefore is a "small" one.
Look at the "newer" ones like the 427 or 437, those are true offroad monsters
Well....
Here in Germany we are measuring the quality of off-road vehicles in "percentage of Unimog capability" - so the Unimog is 100% and everything above 50% is pretty good for a common standard off-road car 😁😁😉😉
They both do great, but the UNIMOG's wheels adjust to the dips and peaks much better. I think the UNIMOG was going faster so that probably kicked it sideways more.
This reflects what I've heard a few times from people now. European off road vehicles tend to pick and climb their way over the terrain while USA off road vehicles tend to bash their way through until the terrain submits.
@@retrozmachine1189
Have not heard that before but it seems ... accurate.
@@retrozmachine1189
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The Uni took ~70sec, the Hummer ~ 110sec. So the Uni drove about 50% faster.
I'm gonna spare what others already mentioned but one thing caught my eye that I didn't read in the comments yet. The Humvee spun its wheel on one side only (at least it looked like it) like it doesn't have 100% locked differential - the Unimogs tires were all running/spinning at all times at the same speed.
You tip the brake on the Hummer to lock the differentials
He said diffs are only locked when needed. The Unimog didn't spin because it had all tires firmly on the ground when in the holes
@@Nogpwr Actually it doesn't have lockers, it uses brakes to hold the spinning wheel, letting others pull. Mechanical driver involved version of todays electronic traction control that uses brakes to hold back the tire with less traction. In 70's mechanical was far more reliable then electronic. Also cheaper.
Why not regular lockers? dunno, but you can't blow up a transfer case or diff because you forgot to turn off the lockers.
Humvee has Torsen differentials. It's a torque multiplying diff but it needs traction (or at least a torque vector) from one side to make the other side work. That's why applying the brakes slightly helps the vehicle to go forward. Torsen will work in curves as well whereas a 100% lock will prevent the vehicle from turning on solid ground.
One of the HMMWV's design requirements was enhanced stability... it was supposed to be "impossible to flip" which we both know is impossible itself but they tried damned hard for that after the M151 debacle, to the detriment of it's offroad prowess. The Unimog was designed as an implement first but you can pretty much heave one on it's side at will, so there's skill in *not* doing that :)
Another of the HMMWV 's design requirements was that the offroad capabilities should *not* significantly outperform those of other vehicles in the US military.
Apparently, someone was afraid that if the HMMWV could master difficult better than the M1 Abrams, the tanks would be left behind.
The Unimog was not designed with compromises in mind. No automatic gear like the HMMWV, instead a stick. Well, not *a* stick - depending on the options you chose, it's somewhere from three sticks to six sticks for your gear shifting pleasure. Looks intimidating at first, but isn't that bad. But definitely not a car for Al Cowlings.
With all your vids I thought you might also have had a look at Sabine Schmidt's try at going round the Nürburgring in under 10 minutes... in a Van. It was an old Top Gear event after doing under 10 minutes in a diesel - also with her involvement as a coach and showing Jeremy Clarkson how it's done. She was the queen of the Nürburgring for a reason.
Excellent idea, although I made a video on her, that exact episode but it got Copyright Blocked upon upload 🤷♂️
@@IWrocker Darn. I hope you enjoyed watching it nonetheless
The unimog is also used by the British SAS as it can carry a lot more spare equipment than a Land Rover or a hummer.
Unimog...❤...unbeaten...nowand
ever..😊
This is an quite old model of the Unimog. Initially the first Unimogs developed post war were intended for agricultural use, but more versatile than a regular tractor. Civilian use in Germany of the Unimog is mostly in road servicing by cities or state / federal agencies, with firefighters and the ocasional farmer or forest service. Many Armed Forces worldwide used them as well. Older ones (like the one shown, mostly ex-military ones) are used privately by enthusiasts and the occasional conversion to offroad motorhomes. BTW Unimogs are generally expensive, new, used, parts and repairs. If you find one offered cheap, get suspicious or at least cautious. There could be hidden defects, or an expensive maintenance waiting behind the next corner - or both. Ex- military ones can be great, or have multiple (expensive) broken parts (gearbox). Ones used by road services in winter are usually quite rusty.
The winner is the Unimoc. Unimocs is universal machine, the Hummer is a real army machine. Unimocs you see also by Train Companie as well as a Agrar machine by Farmers as well by Fire Departments and the by the Cities is the Unimoc also very popular. Also you can see sometimes Unimocs as Off Road Camper.
In the 90‘s you can get an Ex Army MOG for 1500 Dollar, here in Germany. We drove one in deep mudholes, Water was splashing in the cabine from the pedals, but made its way. The military MOGs used to have petrol engines. 6 Inline from the old S220.
The Humvee did surprisingly well but the Mog never even looked like it was trying. Also, the Mog would've looked a lot less sketchy if it had a load in the back.
I'd really like to see a comparison betrween of the HMMWV and a UNIMOG of the same era. This one was a UNIMOG 406 introduced 60 years ago and thus being some 20 years older than the HMMWV. Which is quite a bit for an offroad vehicle.
Dear Off Roader,
I would like to mention one thing. The Unimog you showed her is an old version . During the peak of the cold war I did my service at the army in 1985 as a member of the medic team. We exercised with „volunteers“ wounded soldiers and we drove through the normal forest up an downhill,all off-road. I must let you know this was unbelievable. The Unimog was driving in / through the forest between the trees like it would be a normal road. We drove up to 40 km/h . The torque, the grip on the axis was incredible. The Unimog even nowadays is used in many countries from wood choppers, farmers etc.
And last but not least our volunteers that were fixed on the bed in the back were vomiting at arrival at the army hospital because it was a thrill and shaking ride.
A look at the way the UNIMOG is constructed shows how suitable it is for off-road use. The axles are portal axles that ensure high ground clearance. Then the ladder frame is constructed in such a way that it can be twisted very strongly without being damaged. Added to this are the very large approach angles at the front and rear. The next plus point, the relatively long suspension travel, means all four wheels are always in contact with the ground, no matter how badly the frame is twisted.
I drove the Unimog in the NZ army back in the early 90's. At that stage they did look at the Humvie as a replacement to the Landrover 110 we had as a smaller vehicle. They rejected them on a couple of points. Ground clearance, width of track & maintenance costs. They were too wide to follow in the tracks of the Unimogs and the Landrovers and got beached too often on the offroad tracks out the back of the Waiouru army camp. Nice on the road though, much better than the others and way more torque than the Landie for hill climbing.
I would choose an UNIMOG any day over a hummer. I was trained in the Nationalguard here in Denmark and its capability offroad is one of a kind for a truck
I would choose an UniMoG (it called UNIversal MOtor Gerät = universal power device) with an hardcase body, like the ones used for radio in many armies. One of the main differences is the PTO shaft of the UniMoG. Imagine that the original construction of this vehicle is more than 70 years old.
As a kid I had a 1/10 scale model with multiple attachable devices (rotating brush, plow, snowplow, crane), driven by the PTO.
you were a lucky kid! Do you know who made the scale model? I planning on building my 2nd RC Unimog this time with a functioning PTO for a scale Werner F64 winch.
Finally someone who can drive cross country without breaking something.
I haven’t read all the comments but it’s hands-down for the Unimog. You can see the Humvee struggling and getting stuck and having to use its slip differentials to pull itself out. I’m pretty sure there were no lockers used on the Unimog it just went through this course with its absolute outstanding articulation that keeps all the wheels even in such a situation on the ground so it doesn’t need the lockers. Now just imagine where it could go with all 3 lockers engaged. 😀
I was a platoon leader of a Bundeswehr signal unit till 2001. I had several Iveco Magirus and Mercedes GD VW Bus and Unimogs under my command. All had all wheel drive but when parked on exercise in fields or woods camouflaged under trees the ivecos without chains sometimes got stuck when it rained. The Unimogs always saved the day. We did any kind of terrain to them to try to get them stuck...it never happened. Best vehicle ever made...and yeah as some guys already said the one in this video is even a museum piece....😂
Drove the Uni Mog in the Australian Army Reserves in the 90s. The mog was going a little bit fast into the dips.
I have been in worse drives then that.
Nice video.
Never drove one yet I certainly was transported in one 89-96. Yeah they certainly hit the rut too fast imo.
Lancelin training area was very detrimental to the Mog. Except for the dunes, and that sandy trail to Wedge, then nobody cared.
I was based in Pucka when a private rolled a Mog on the steep hill and was killed due to it flipping and landing on its roof. Definitely an capable truck, higher COG compared to a HMMWV tho!
In 1991 I was in the motorized infantry 4. MOTINF/I/DRLR in Denmark, and we had Unimogs as your platoon vehicle, like the one in this video. We never got stuck, even through deep sand, that went over the axels. Our driver keep it going, and the Unimog crawled it self out of the sand. Had he let off the power there is no doubt, we would have been stuck in the sand. Awesome machine.
Unimog, by no competition. It was never close to tilting over. The the tarp and lightweight wooden structure that makes the bed is fixed to a solid axle that will articulate with the surface its driving on. When the wheel is down in hole like that, the center of gravity is moved even closer to the ground. It looked a bit dramatic. But there was never any real danger
Yes. I have no hard data on the Unimgo in the video...but a HMMWV has a tilt resistance of 22°, a Unimog has 30°. You can still tip over any car if you go too fast.
Also, the Unimog driver in the video is going straight, not compensating for the tilt momentum at all (presumably because that's a test track where you are meant to go straight). This makes it look so alarming.
In any case, people have managed to get seasick in a Unimog. I think the ATF Dingle (Unimog U5000-based) has a harder suspension to addres the seasickness issue.
Somr time ago i read an article about off-roading in a Unimog. at the end of it the writer wrote "where you can´t go in a Unimog you need a Tank"
In the German Army we used to say: where it can't go you need the Air Force 😅
When you come to Australia I'll take you and the family for a ride in a newer mog 👍
You can't f'kin park there mate lol 😀
@@Gordon_L haha 😄👍
There is one that is parked out the front of a house in Shoalhaven Heads NSW.
I have always dreamed of driving one. I should ask him one day!
I am German and I don´t think this is a fair contest. The Unimog is more a truck with great ground clearance. The German equivaltent of a Hummer is the "VW Kübel" and would have no chance against the Hummer on that straight ahead course.
The great disadvantage of the Hummer is his immense turning circle.
A Hummer is unable to drive in a German roundabout traffic without ranking.
The Hummer ia a vehicle for US streeta and deserts, not for the rest of the world.
An Unimog is everywhere at home.
Ok. I agree! Friend of mine works with everything tree. He has one. Does everything with it. It's a BEAST. And I LOVE it😊. So I'd pick that one. Not the humvee. They are very rare on the Dutch roads. Because they're just too big for them 😆. You'd need 3 regular parking spaces for one😅. There's someone who rents them out around here. 16 years ago when I graduated, I got suprised with one that picked me up after the graduation. Thank you, parents, for knowing you daughters' wishes😊. Too bad I didn't have my license yet, back then. Oh. Another humvee drives around here. It's a XL streched limo. Pink.😂. Very un-Dutch😂.
Your parents surprised you with a Mog?
@@terzida5329 Haha😂. Nope. A Humvee😉. They are thàt rare.
This type of Unimog is nearly 50 years old and still beats a modern Humwee.
Compare it to a 2022 Version of an Unimog and I guess, there will be a bigger difference in agility, comfort and do on...
The Unimog shown here is a model 416, produced 1965-1993, an elongated version of the 406 series. This series had a track gauge of only 1536 mm (until 1971, total width 2030mm) resp. 1555 mm (total width 2130mm), very similar to the earlier models produced back in the 1950s. The only currently produced series 437 (models U 4023/U 5023) has a width of about 2490mm.
Fun fact: The Unimog 419, also based on the 406 series, was produced 1986-1991 solely for the US Army and the US Marines (2200 of those vehicles were refurbished starting in 2001).
They really are a different class of vehicle. The Unimog is a truck. The Hummer is pretending to be a truck. The Australian Defence Force has (or rather had) Unimogs for trucking, and Landrover Perenties for lighter duty. I used to work with a bloke who was ex-army, and had been part of a committee to replace the Landrover for the ADF. As the Landy was British, they wanted an all Oz designed and built vehicle. It would have better armor, more room, and be more powerful. It would put the billy on and reheat your MREs. They workshopped for a long time, and the results of their efforts was the Bushmaster, which is a replacement for something else entirely different class of vehicle. He was a fine example of a public servant (probably retired about 20 years back) so it's probably a true story. He used is as an example of how camels are horses designed by committees, but as Bushmasters and camels are both pretty useful, I don't think it was the lesson he intended.
First I will like to say thanks for your work. This Unimog dates back to the 70s and it comes from the Danish Army. The chassis work as a part of the suspension as well and this is one of the reasons it is so capable in the terrain. Suggestion for another Mercedes to look at: they use to do tractors; try to write MB1800Trek on TH-cam. If you think a Unimog is a multitool; wait until you have seen the MB Trek?
Believe it was the first tractor equipped with full suspension in all four corners among many interesting features.
BR. Mark T from DK.
Guess you should look up the history of this vehicle again :)
The name is MB Trac, not Trek.
As @Hans Dietrich has just hinted at try looking up the history of the Unimog. 1947 comes to mind. I had a 408 a few years ago, but I really would like one of the early ones. I think that IWrocker should have a look for a video of one.
The MB-Trac actually only had suspension on the front axle; the rear axle was rigid to the chassis. This is why the top gear or two in the Unimog transmission was locked out for the MB-Trac and the resulting top speed was only around 25 mph.
@@hansdietrich1496 this specific unimog in the video.
Mog wins hands down, didn't even stop to engage any difflocks, the Humvee needed brake pedal application to keep going, as for tip factor, add a stick on top of Humvee to same height as Mog and it would travel the same angle, I would choose a Mog or Volvo C303 or even a Haflinger over a Humvee anyday, offroading since 1969.
I was talking to my mate who owns a unimog about 5 minutes ago. I am sitting in his workshop next to a heap of parts, joy oh joy
Imagine a modern Humvee based on the Unimog underpinnings with portal axles and flex potential. That would be an absolute beast of an off roader
You mean like ATF Dingo? It's a MRAP Version of a Unimog.
@@kaymeinhold I guess not. The ATF Dingo offers better protection than a Humvee (the guns can also be remotely controlled from inside) - but there's no civilian version available. Also, the HMMWV has an automatic gear, maing it easier to drive for someone not familiar with a stick (depending on the options, a Unimog may have up to six gear sticks).
The ATF Dingo has a tilt resistance of 30°, the HMMWV only 22°. Honestly, I don't see much of a reason why someone should base a HMMWV on a Unimog U 5000 base. Learning to shift manually is not that hard.
Humvee already has portals. Having locked diffs would have made it smoother while flexing. But I still prefer the Unimog though.
@@fatsubsonic Since your profile picture resembles a older version of the Volkswagen logo, I cannot resist the temptation to mention that the 1940s Typ 82 "Kübelwagen" also had portal axles.
@@klausstock8020 Yes thats correct. i can think of 8 vehicles VW used portal axles on, plus i can think of 2 additional VW's with portal axles built by seperate companies. 🙂
That was fun:) 1968 Unimog vs all most new Humvee.. And the Unimog is better..
Hello from Switzerland. I definitely prefer the Unimog, the axle articulation in the video as such speaks volumes, plus the constant propulsion. The Hummer struggles at times, although the differential lock was probably not engaged (I'm assuming it has one).
Ultimately, for me, one of the most convincing (army) off-road vehicles is the Pinzgauer from Steyr-Puch.
You forgot the Swedish build for the artic cousin.of the famous European trio.
Unimog, Pinzgauer, Laplander (Volvo L3314)
The Humvee has no lockers. It only has automatically activated slip differential as you can see while it’s driving it gets stuck then the driver has to stay on the throttle so it activates the slip differential and then it pulls itself out.
@@obelic71 You forgot the Buchanka and the Robur, and the Multicar. I still have to figure out the GAZ Bobr, but i'd opt fot the Hanomag 1t Halftrack so far, or a Hägglund Bandvagn. 😉
@@outdooropaholger9998 correct the Buchanka is also an armageddon proof wheeled vehicle.
Al those 100% ulitarian vehicels have a certain pure charme you can't ignore.
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Close - they have Torsen type torque biasing differentials. In order to operate correctly there needs to be drive load at the unloaded end of the axle, and this is accomplished by riding the brakes. It works very well, if one knows what one needs to do.
They are both great for wath they are made for. In the German Army signal corps we had the U1300 with a radio cabin attached onto and with a 4 ton heavy antenna trailer. This beast is capable to race with 25 mph through rough woodland terrain in this combination. A very important feature for fast tactical movement of our command structures. And a frightening load of fun 😂
I learned about the Unimog 60 years ago.How can you not have heard of them?In my 600 people village three are still active.
The mogs are great cars. I am living near the unimog factory and the unimog museum - every year i have to visit it, its such great
What makes the difference - among other things - are the portal axis. They give the Unimog a ground clearance of two feet and more. When you look under the vehicle, you can see that the axis don't go straight from wheel to wheel, they first go up, to give it more ground clearance. The suspension resembles that of what's usually used for train waggons, making it exceptionally tough. It holds a multitude of world records including roads with a max. incline of 110 % (48 degrees) and sideways it's 38 degrees without tipping over or sliding.
I knew this guy that, instead of putting winter tires on his car, he just used his bright orange Unimog when snowing.
Clsssy.
Great, who needs brakes!
We used to race the unimogs in reverse, because you've got 8 gears still
In the swiss army we had very ancient Unimogs with petrol, in the US gas, engines.
Much smaller than the one in the test.
MAN 8x8 driver: "What ruts?"
I was in the South African military (due to conscription for whites only)and drove the Unimog based "Buffel" land mine safe troop carrier. It was very agile. Thank goodness I was never deployed. A friend of mine was in one when they detonated a land mine in the bush war in Northern South West Africa.
the behavior of the unimog was completely normal and within the safe range it is surprisingly difficult to tip over but in the cabin something like that is very uncomfortable.
I drive unimogs for forest work
I was 8 years with the german paratroopers and I drove both trucks, in germany and the united states.
Both are great offroad vehicles.
Both are universal duty trucks.
But I had more fun with the Unimog.🤷
Greetings from Germany
It's the ideal go anywhere vehicle even if its just a run to the supermarket. Hey they are both very caperbull vehicles but there is always a compromise wide and stable or high and loads of ground clearance
....that's brings us to the question:
Why do US-officials do not buy the Unimog as best and most capeable vehicle they can get for their troops and special forces ??!
The army, fire brigade and all kinds of specialized “farmers” and other users could really use the Unimog in its many variants !
America is always looking for the best that is available for special requests!
There's something there, but it's better to use (sorry) second-rate stuff.
And only because it is NOT produced in the USA!
My goodness, there are solutions for that too!
If only you want it!
I once knew a young lady from Poland.She and her Uni blew my mind 😮😂🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Ian - search these Steyr-Puch Pinzgauer and my favorite toy - Steyr-Puch Haflinger
The Unimog is originally no military vehicle. It was meant to be used for farmers. It is widely used in German disaster management, firefighters and military, too.
I'm a Yooper and a UNIMOG would change my way of life.
this aint even a comparison - the unimog is "a different animal"... besudes us vehicles arent really a competition...
You can also check out Volvo c303 and c306 (tgb11/tgb13) they are amazing offroad
A Unimog at the front and a Unimog at the back connected with a pull bar between them are almost unstoppable in heavy terrain!
I served in the Swiss Army fourty years ago and I actually preferred other vehicles that were probably better than the Unimog. I can tell you what I see here is not real hard offroading. That is just a vanilla type of driving through a field. We drove Swissmade trucks and Austrian offroaders in really heavy terrain. I remember an Austrian dealer of military vehicles that stated: The Hummer is something for the Autobahn, the Pinzgauer is an offroader for ultra heavy terrain. I have done quite some crazy things with heavy trucks of the Fifties. But I have seen guys who knew their vehicles do things I can hardly believe even having it seen with my own eyes. Actually the original Willlis Jeep was quite a capale offroader as well.
One thing that is good with the Hummer: It is wide, so if you drive on a hill driving neighter up or down and with one side of the vehicle much higher than the other you are quite safe from rolling over sideways.
50-year-old Unimog in the forest: th-cam.com/video/lvoZAlna90g/w-d-xo.html
Any questions?
The US-Army actually bought a bunch of Unimogs at one point. Due to "buy american" laws they were shipped over disassembled and put together at Mercedes' Freightliner-plant. As an oddity, they all had the optional front-end shovel, like wheel loader.
I had a old small unimog when l lived in the forest, s in Germany it had a 200er MB motor it was a fantastic transport mittle in Sommer and Winter would go everywhere never got stuck. The unimog won hands down.
The tipping sensation with the Unimog is not as dangerous as it may seem, You have lots of leeway. As the German below states: Incredible vehicle.
They are built for different purposes. Unimog will wipe the floor with humvee on wild terrain. Humvee is as wide as tank tracks and is faster on smoother terrain.
One car missing ;)
There's a German saying: »Wer eine Ente (2CV) umschmeißt, bekommt eine neue…«
If I was being shot at or had to drive among trees, I'd choose the Humvee.
I think the comparison is rather fitting: Unimogs are used by the german military, as are Humvees by the US army.
Since I only had the opportunity to drive a Unimog, but not a Humvee, my insights are rather limited, which does not prevent having an oppinion non the less:
I personally think, that the Unimog is more suitable the rougher the terrain gets, on the other and, the Humvee will be faster and more comfortable on the street or in moderate offroad conditions. Some weeks ago, you uploasded a video on hill climbing trucks. Unimogs have taken part in those events rather successfully, but I can´t remember having seen a Humvee in those competitions - and I guess there is a reason for that...
Titanicus Unimogus has such a great engine sound too. Given a capable driver I'd take a Unimog over a HMMWV any day of the week tbh.
The hmmwv is whider, has a low center and way slower. The close tip over from the Unimog was mainly because it was way faster.
For Style the Old HMMWV or new heavy UNIMOG. For harsh Offroading... The Unimog. For just a little fun on a flat field or beach the HMMWV.
Edit: and for Crossing Rivers... The Unimog can handle water up to the roof of the HMMWV. :D Just let it Dry before you switch Electronics on again!
Ground clearance its the big factor, in my army days I used to have unimogs like that but petrol eng, and they will go every where, whe call them mountain goats
Is very old unimog , Look the New Modell 😊