Im not in agreement fully to all the ideas presented in the video. That being said using dsp footage is genius move and increases the quality of the video for sure
Good work on this video and the hard work you put into it is evident! Only constructive feedback is that the title of the video doesn't exactly match the wide scope of topics you covered. :)
I disagree. Not being able to control your team mates put more emphasis on strategy and team composition and equipment set ups. This combined with the exhaustion mechanic, forced you to try different team comps, and stops you from power levelling certain characters.
@@OreWaLavai Agree and disagree. I love the exhaustion mechanic, but hate not being able to control your teammates. If the AI was better then it would be fine but it was awful and just made the game worse for no reason.
@@acidity2k486 you say that, but I had very little trouble with them. Any fight’s that they struggled in could usually be countered by equipping them with a certain accessory, and switching persona with the MC. You don’t need endless next turns to beat this game. (And as for not knowing the weaknesses of bosses before you fight them, that’s why you save before each boss. Weaknesses in smt have never been intuitive, and certain demons even change elemental strengths and weaknesses between games, so you can’t even use previously established smt lore to determine their weaknesses anyway. Trial and error or a guide is all you have to work with.)
8:22 like you could just not use the direct commands tactic, I did it for a playthrough once and it was pretty much the same as my fes playthroughs combat wise
Video started out wrong already, P3P wasn't a remake, it was an inferior port with some new features that improved the original in some areas while underperforming in many others, overall giving a subpar but otherwise interesting rendition of the original P3 FES
I think it's absolutely justified having moments where you just get smoked by the enemy if you aren't using things to prevent status ailments. The damn things work so rarely to begin with that underestimating them should absolutely come with a risk. And to be fair, your MC should be immune to all ailments by the time you get to Nyx, it's really just good sense. In all seriousness, that Charm-Fear moment is pretty ridiculous to the extent that it goes on for. Also, part of RPGs at their core is that some of the challenge is left to chance and is beyond your control. The more that's been taken out of Persona, the more bland and repetitive it's become over time. And it really extends to non-combat gameplay in a lot of ways as well. Like, you were never SUPPOSED to max out all Social Links in one run in P3. It's built in such a way that you choose the ones that you can utilize or just like more. Missing Social Links due to missed flags or lack of time was part of the experience. Reload just lets you waltz through the game without any consideration of your actions, yet you still get rewarded.
Metroid zero mission on the gba included the original metroid as a bonus, as unrealistic as it sounds i think that should be the standard for all remakes ,it would solve most of the problem i have with remakes.
Yawn. Imagine hating this series so much. So you mean to tell me that time has passed between 2006 and 2024 and they decided to make qol changes informed by their own evolutions in their design philosophy when remaking a game that's less accessible than its sequels? The horror! If it resembles 5 at all, it's automatically bad, right? Because 5 is popular, so it's bad, right? I don't understand this fandom at all. You find ways to have a problem with everything. This remake is incredibly faithful but because things so much as incidentally resemble 5 it gives you all the fear. When Pokémon gets remakes, they bring the story/setting/etc to the standards of a new generation, and people generally don't complain (except the Gen 4 remakes which are admittedly mediocre efforts) people don't bitch and moan and that Pokémon Red and Green are too similar now to Ruby and Sapphire. But Persona fans do! 3 is now too much like 5 for having a different menu and having Shift. I wonder what would've happened if they called Social Links "Confidants" and gave them gameplay perks like 5. I bet the lost of you would have a collective aneurysm.
I 100 percent agree with you but pokemon probably wasn't the best example to use considering how terrible the last couple games were but I do get the point you were trying to make
To me a good remaster changes as little as possible and the best remakes tend to overhaul the entire game in a rather drastic way. I believe that when remastering a game the devolloper should be aware of the fact they they will be in a sens 'replacing' what came before. Polishing assets and only handling the most problematic aspects. A game that truly benefits from a remake are generally the ones that handle it in a way where the two games almost entirely stand on their own. For example: games like resident evil 2. Nobody will even argue that the orignal and the remake are the same game and that they compete for the same place in the spotlight. The remake just tells the story in a way that's so much more accessible. It's why I believe the demon souls remake felt somewhat unnecessary. It changed the graphical style (and although beautiful) it doesn't really have any of the same atmosphere left. Maybe a game like this would have benifitted more from a remaster to modernize the graphics just a little and give the frame rate a boost.
While I agree for the most part, I'd argue that the original (and FES) are so outdated in enough aspects for this to be warranted. P3FES is my fav modern persona, but that game sucks majorly sometimes. I also think a remaster would have been so underwhelming, especially after P3D, and that one survey about what games people want remade the most.
Fes was a better game. "Quality of life" is great in an original game, but in a remake, you need to be careful not to lose the original feeling. In reloaded, it was so stupidly easy to make an overpowered persona that I legitimately didn't even use persona fusion in the entire game, except for a single time, to fuse Anubis. Till then I just used whatever dropped. Time management was much much more lenient. I was doing lots of various things, not using an answer guide, and I still maxed all links first run. This eliminated the feeling of choosing what to do, and it led to links feeling less special. Combat was just ruined. Using direct commands just makes the game brain dead easy, so I left them on act freely, on merciless, and the combat was still far too easy, because Theurgy is broken. It also does the thing that I think started with p4, where if an aoe downs even a single enemy, you get a once more. As a result, there is no reason at all to use single target magic. It was still a good game, but in my eyes, FES is still the definitive version of this game.
I'd just like to add that I think tiredness in the original game made the gameplay loop a LOT better. When you're on a time-constrained system, you want to conserve your days as much as possible. This naturally leads to players trying to spend as much time in the dungeon on a single run. In P3P/P4/P5, this means spending a single day there because there is no limit and then spending a whole month NOT going there. It absolutely wrecks the gameplay's pacing and it was one of my biggest complaints about P4/P5 (I'd played those before P3). I also agree about tactics. Direct commands are the standard go-to for a lot of games like this and I like the tactics' uniqueness that makes the game feel less bland and homogeneous with other games. There's also a lot of other stuff that's a downgrade to me in the remake, such as different characterization for characters like Junpei and Yukari, with how they were pretty mean to you and didn't treat you like some god. P3FES is one of my favorite games ever made and I'm really miffed that Atlus didn't port the game to modern consoles. As cool as it is that it got a remake, I much would've preferred that they'd put the effort towards porting P1/P2IS/P2EP/P3FES. Heck, even making definitive versions of them would be great. Imagine a mix of P3FES and Portable where the male route has all of FES's mechanics and the female route has all of Portable's mechanics! Overall, I have to say I completely agree with just about everything you said in this video. It's such a shame FES isn't more accessible. And it's also a shame that there's so many people saying Reload is "replacing" FES. I can only hope that history has enough room for three Persona 3s.
All the exhaustion mechanic did was make my guys a little weaker while I grinded and chuckle at the companions being miserable. Going to the dungeon should not take up time, simple as that. At the very least, there should be "free" periods throughout the month where you can go without taking a hit on your social links. I dislike the gigantic globs of time spent in the dungeon as well. It's not a problem if you don't go in with a min-max mentality, though. If you only do social links of characters you like, you've got plenty of free time to hop in and out of the labyrinth~
If you love P3 that much, do you even want it to be a replacement? It was the same conversation about remaking FF7. If you still enjoy the originals, having a reason to go back and experience them is good. If not, here you go and you didnt like the originals anyway. That said, I dont feel any reason to go back to the originals, just like Im not going back to the original P5 or P4. The remakes and updates are just better and worth it, imo.
The sad reality is that most gamers today fall into the normie categories and they're just gonna play the new shiny thing and if they ever see the original version of the game they'l say it's clunky and outdated. There is an audience for older games, like myself really, but a lot of campanies don't give half a flying f about that and preservation. they'd much rather do a RMK to get the big normie bucks. Most system changes from p3 to p4 and then to p5 were to make the game easier and more streamlined so as to make it more acessible and appealing to a more general demoghraphic. What i'm trying to say is that the companies are gonna do what they do and mostly only care about revenue. lucky for us, emulation and mods exists. so games can and are preserved and if there is any glaring flaw with the original game chances are there is some sort of mod that changes that and the best part is that it's all your choice, you make your own custom experience like you want. You used the example of music multiple times, and that rmks and remaster should give you the choice of the original audio and the new one and you're right, but most companies don't think like that, but again there will be mods to remedy that, to give you this choice. So it's cool when they hive us some rmks and remaster and stuff but to expect too much is copium, for preservation we as community need to do it ourselves. I have to say I don't quite understand the value that some ppl put into official releases of older games, specially because they're pretty much always inferior version than what we can easily emulate.
You say preservation yet you ignore the fact that faithful remakes like reload are quite literally another form of preservation. By bringing new life to older titles it gives new generations a way to experience relics of the past. You're just mad for some reason cause it isn't exactly what you wanted (?) Weird hill to die on but you do you.
@@justsomeguy727 you're assuming a lot on your comment, I'm not mad whatsoever, the existance of a rmk doesn't take anything away from the original. Also calling Reload faithful is a big, and i mean big stretch, it changes most rpg mechanics and the whole balance, to be more in line with persona 5, the script has been changed a lot in multiple parts to be less "problematic" and less dark. Honestly the whole vibe and aesthetic is different now, it doesn't give the same depression vibes as the original and that seems very much on purpose, since the original touched a lot on death and self termination (can't say the actual word on youtube), the literal first scene of the game makes my point. keep in mind that none of this is necessarily better or worse, it's just different. I'll just say that older doesn't mean worse and newer doesn't mean better. How you got that i'm mad that a rmk now exists is a bit strange to me, since in my original comment I was simply saying that we shouldn't expect much from the big companies besides rmks, but that's ok because with emulation and mods we can have the best of every world. I was trying to be positive and not negative. The only thing i'm mad about is that atlus has done it again and kept the extra content and campaign out of the rmk because they plan to sell it later as a dlc for 30 dollars, mark my words.
P3 in general is pretty low on my Megaten tier list, but even still I think FES is the definitive way to play it. Portable is kind of a meme, and while I'm enjoying Reload atm it really is just "we have P5 at home." I did beat Nyx on PS2 FES, so at least I can say I did better than DSP. I agree that the exhaustion and tactics mechanics gave P3 its own identity and unique balancing. The social links are at their worst in P3, with more than half of them feeling meh to actively irritating to complete. P3 FeMC exclusive links were, once again, really just memes and cute additions for returning players so at least it has that. So far Reload has made a few improvements but the base of a lot of these links still just kinda suck. Alright, ATLUS, you got the Persona out of your system for a bit. Now I need a SMT4 re-release or SMT5 Maniax with a better ending, pretty please. I believe in you. (I'll also take a new Raidou game, but I know better than to ask for that)
I've fully completed P3R and I find it to be lacking in many ways. For one, the female MC from Portable was what made the game impactful for me, even though I played FES before Portable, and this game costing $70, $100 in Australia while not having her is quite frankly unacceptable in my opinion. I also found the new voice actors to be inferior to the originals, it's not their fault but I feel as though the direction for the VAs was poor here, lines don't have as much impact and emotion. Though I only played with the English voice cast, maybe the Japanese cast are good. I've also found that the game is vastly easier than even Portable on normal mode. I played on Hard difficutly and did not have a hard time at all, the added gameplay mechanics like Theurgy make it easy to bulldoze even the toughest enemies. I also find that the remade visuals and UI detract from the experience, the original 3 versions of P3 have a very distinct, mid 2000s techno-futurism aesthetic thats completely lost in Reload, as it's UI more often that not is less Persona 3 and more "Persona 5 but less chaotic". I also find many of the remixed vocal tracks, Mass Destruction in partiicular to be far inferior to their originals. In general I feel like P3R fails to capture the original game's strengths in a lot of ways and I will be sticking to Persona 3 Portable as my preffered way to play Persona 3. I apologise for the long rant but I wanted to give my take.
If you ever play any version of P3 again I heavily encourage you to play it with original JP audio, they have some very big names like Maya Sakamoto as aigis, Rie Tanaka as Mitsuru, Miyuki Sawashiro as Elizabeth and Hikaru Midorikawa as Akihiko and no shade to the english dub but the japanese much better and more immersive. All japanese voices reprised their roles on reload and they don't miss a beat, they can all act their characters perfectly which is amazing considering how long it has been since the original game came out. But besides graphics and voice acting I agree that reload is in general just a downgrade.
It sounds like you just wanted to hate Reload and looked for every opportunity to do so. The new cast is lacking? Really? Have you heard the old voices for Shinjiro, Ken, Fuuka, Chidori, etc? Literally you just made the thing about the old UI up. Oh, a list of items in plain font against a blank blue background (maybe with a random lighter blue vector somewhere) that's got a yellow border on the left. Such a strong mid-2000s aesthetic! I remember everything being a bullet-point list on blue!
@@hypotheticaltapeworm my man, I played P3R all the way through on Game Pass and I enjoyed it. It's still Persona 3 and Persona 3 is my favourite game of all time I have no reason to just make up reasons to hate Reload, because I don't hate Reload. I stand by my points. People can have different opinions from you and not be pulling straws.
@@lucymorrison Yeah, you were just singing its praises in your original comment. Look, you can be a pedant. It's fine, just don't pretend that you're anything more than that because I showed you any dissent. You can't convince me you liked the game after your ridiculous list of whines, you can't pretend to be rational after demonstrating that you were not. "It's not exactly the same as the game I can still play, here's an essay."
Agreed in almost all points. I played persona 3 when it first came out and fell in love with it. (i also played persona 4 and 5 when they were released). And this summer i finally got the chance to play persona 3 with the female mc and as a girl i fell much more in love with the game all over again. I still hope they release the the female route as dlc or like royal edition. I liked the remake, it had some quality of life improvements. The new tracks were also great. However i did not like the remade tracks as much as the original version. Nothing against the female singer, but for me her voice is to soft, it lacks the edge and power. Also when viewing the original and remake art direction, it became so much evident how they brithened the colors, somuch so that the darker and serious tone of the game got lost. I did not have a problem with the new voice actors, besides akihiko and aigis. Aigis didnt sound like a machine at the begining and akihiko was lacking something. Another thing i wish they made better were the anime cutscences. THe original ones created a haunting atmospehere, wheares the new one were either replaced with ingame cutscenes which are infrerior to the anime cutscenes from the original or just unnecessary. I didnt need to watch how the team moves in slow motion in their new clothes.The awaking of mcs persona was in my opinion way better, as well as the major thing that happened at the start of october and finally the last stand of the party against the final boss were way more epic and desperate). The ingame character models look great though. I am usually not a person how criticizes a remake or remaster, this is the first time i experience this. Its not dissapointment, the game is still good but its the thought that they could have made the game better...
While I am not surprised they cut the female Protagonist (the Devs aren't exactly known to be... progressive enough to think that women can be important enough to have value as Protagonists), I am still baffled that people tolerate and even defend this decision. It's something so basic, that should honestly be standard in gaming, especially if it's a remake of a game that already had this BASIC feature.
If I remember right the devs words a few years back were "Female Protagonists are unrealistic for the setting", but I translated it into the more honest "I'm just a mysoginist" @@eyy_man1162
I'm not sure what version of persona you play but the series is very progressive for a Japanese property, tackling issues like SA, body dis morphia and harmful stereotypes. This goes without saying but Japan is a completely different culture from the west with its own politics, expecting a Jrpg to cover social issues through the western progressive lens is kinda like trying to find an evolutionary biologist in a pentecostal church. It's way more likely that Atlus simply didn't want to have to spend extra time and money reanimating the same scenes for kotone as well as having the voice actors record new voice lines for the new social links. it would certainly be nice if they add kotone later down the road but I don't see that happening it's unfortunate but it's just the way it is
It really isn't. The Protagonists insult the one character that could be implied to be trans and her ending has her return back to being male. And the gay people are predators (while the female straight Predators like the Teacher are shown to be just peachy romance options). If you want an actually Progressive Japanese Game, play Caligula Effect. Hell METAL GEAR SOLID is better, one of the most important characters in the series is definitely gay and there are multiple bisexuals. Please. Have some standards. Don't like the boots of people that kick you, have some self respect. @@franklindbrosevelt5260
@@franklindbrosevelt5260 "Harmful Stereotypes" Like the fat girl that is just there for comedic effect and to be unlikeable? Or the two gay guys that are child predators while the female teachers are valid romance options for the underage main character? Like those?
listen buddy, femc was just a cheap little addition to soften the blow that persona 3 portable gutted all the 3d environments. Its so in your face that you are playing a girl that they even made the blue ui PINK. they cheaped out on adding femc Sure, but dont act like they are doing some anti-women thing or whatever.
Im not in agreement fully to all the ideas presented in the video.
That being said using dsp footage is genius move and increases the quality of the video for sure
6:56 when you're in the toilet and have to hurry.
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the way you concluded the video scratched a part of my brain that i didnt know needed scratching ... satisfying :3 a very well done video
Unless it’s RE1.
Re1 the og game is great, and honestly it still is a great playthrough for people who don’t want some of the remakes bs.
Good work on this video and the hard work you put into it is evident! Only constructive feedback is that the title of the video doesn't exactly match the wide scope of topics you covered. :)
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no not being able to control team mates is fking stupid I hated that about OG
I disagree. Not being able to control your team mates put more emphasis on strategy and team composition and equipment set ups. This combined with the exhaustion mechanic, forced you to try different team comps, and stops you from power levelling certain characters.
@@OreWaLavai Agree and disagree. I love the exhaustion mechanic, but hate not being able to control your teammates.
If the AI was better then it would be fine but it was awful and just made the game worse for no reason.
@@OreWaLavaiIf the ai was actually good then ai controlled teammates wouldn’t be a problem.
@@joshbarba2225 game would have been far too easy like Persona 4 if it let you control your team IMO.
@@acidity2k486 you say that, but I had very little trouble with them. Any fight’s that they struggled in could usually be countered by equipping them
with a certain accessory, and switching persona with the MC. You don’t need endless next turns to beat this game. (And as for not knowing the weaknesses of bosses before you fight them, that’s why you save before each boss. Weaknesses in smt have never been intuitive, and certain demons even change elemental strengths and weaknesses between games, so you can’t even use previously established smt lore to determine their weaknesses anyway. Trial and error or a guide is all you have to work with.)
8:22 like you could just not use the direct commands tactic, I did it for a playthrough once and it was pretty much the same as my fes playthroughs combat wise
Video started out wrong already, P3P wasn't a remake, it was an inferior port with some new features that improved the original in some areas while underperforming in many others, overall giving a subpar but otherwise interesting rendition of the original P3 FES
I think it's absolutely justified having moments where you just get smoked by the enemy if you aren't using things to prevent status ailments. The damn things work so rarely to begin with that underestimating them should absolutely come with a risk. And to be fair, your MC should be immune to all ailments by the time you get to Nyx, it's really just good sense. In all seriousness, that Charm-Fear moment is pretty ridiculous to the extent that it goes on for.
Also, part of RPGs at their core is that some of the challenge is left to chance and is beyond your control. The more that's been taken out of Persona, the more bland and repetitive it's become over time. And it really extends to non-combat gameplay in a lot of ways as well. Like, you were never SUPPOSED to max out all Social Links in one run in P3. It's built in such a way that you choose the ones that you can utilize or just like more. Missing Social Links due to missed flags or lack of time was part of the experience. Reload just lets you waltz through the game without any consideration of your actions, yet you still get rewarded.
Metroid zero mission on the gba included the original metroid as a bonus, as unrealistic as it sounds i think that should be the standard for all remakes ,it would solve most of the problem i have with remakes.
Yawn.
Imagine hating this series so much.
So you mean to tell me that time has passed between 2006 and 2024 and they decided to make qol changes informed by their own evolutions in their design philosophy when remaking a game that's less accessible than its sequels? The horror!
If it resembles 5 at all, it's automatically bad, right? Because 5 is popular, so it's bad, right?
I don't understand this fandom at all. You find ways to have a problem with everything. This remake is incredibly faithful but because things so much as incidentally resemble 5 it gives you all the fear.
When Pokémon gets remakes, they bring the story/setting/etc to the standards of a new generation, and people generally don't complain (except the Gen 4 remakes which are admittedly mediocre efforts) people don't bitch and moan and that Pokémon Red and Green are too similar now to Ruby and Sapphire. But Persona fans do! 3 is now too much like 5 for having a different menu and having Shift.
I wonder what would've happened if they called Social Links "Confidants" and gave them gameplay perks like 5. I bet the lost of you would have a collective aneurysm.
Yes it's embarrassing I been saying this for weeks now. The hate towards Persona 5 is weird af
I 100 percent agree with you but pokemon probably wasn't the best example to use considering how terrible the last couple games were but I do get the point you were trying to make
@@franklindbrosevelt5260 Oh yeah, old remakes I mean. The ones that happened in Gen 3 and 4
@@hypotheticaltapeworm Oh gotcha that makes sense
Tf you mean this game was amazing and got me into 5 too and 4 soon
Fantastic video, so much more than I expected going in. Hope this does numbers.
Just be honest, if Kotone was in Reload you would have a better opinion about it
I love how you're using DSP gameplay lol
To me a good remaster changes as little as possible and the best remakes tend to overhaul the entire game in a rather drastic way.
I believe that when remastering a game the devolloper should be aware of the fact they they will be in a sens 'replacing' what came before. Polishing assets and only handling the most problematic aspects.
A game that truly benefits from a remake are generally the ones that handle it in a way where the two games almost entirely stand on their own. For example: games like resident evil 2. Nobody will even argue that the orignal and the remake are the same game and that they compete for the same place in the spotlight. The remake just tells the story in a way that's so much more accessible.
It's why I believe the demon souls remake felt somewhat unnecessary. It changed the graphical style (and although beautiful) it doesn't really have any of the same atmosphere left. Maybe a game like this would have benifitted more from a remaster to modernize the graphics just a little and give the frame rate a boost.
While I agree for the most part, I'd argue that the original (and FES) are so outdated in enough aspects for this to be warranted. P3FES is my fav modern persona, but that game sucks majorly sometimes. I also think a remaster would have been so underwhelming, especially after P3D, and that one survey about what games people want remade the most.
playing reload is great but yeah its not a replacement i will most likely go back to Fes or portable some time in the future
What a fantastic video
I wanna beat persona 3 fes again now after reload
Fes was a better game. "Quality of life" is great in an original game, but in a remake, you need to be careful not to lose the original feeling.
In reloaded, it was so stupidly easy to make an overpowered persona that I legitimately didn't even use persona fusion in the entire game, except for a single time, to fuse Anubis. Till then I just used whatever dropped.
Time management was much much more lenient. I was doing lots of various things, not using an answer guide, and I still maxed all links first run. This eliminated the feeling of choosing what to do, and it led to links feeling less special.
Combat was just ruined. Using direct commands just makes the game brain dead easy, so I left them on act freely, on merciless, and the combat was still far too easy, because Theurgy is broken. It also does the thing that I think started with p4, where if an aoe downs even a single enemy, you get a once more. As a result, there is no reason at all to use single target magic.
It was still a good game, but in my eyes, FES is still the definitive version of this game.
I'd just like to add that I think tiredness in the original game made the gameplay loop a LOT better. When you're on a time-constrained system, you want to conserve your days as much as possible. This naturally leads to players trying to spend as much time in the dungeon on a single run. In P3P/P4/P5, this means spending a single day there because there is no limit and then spending a whole month NOT going there. It absolutely wrecks the gameplay's pacing and it was one of my biggest complaints about P4/P5 (I'd played those before P3).
I also agree about tactics. Direct commands are the standard go-to for a lot of games like this and I like the tactics' uniqueness that makes the game feel less bland and homogeneous with other games. There's also a lot of other stuff that's a downgrade to me in the remake, such as different characterization for characters like Junpei and Yukari, with how they were pretty mean to you and didn't treat you like some god.
P3FES is one of my favorite games ever made and I'm really miffed that Atlus didn't port the game to modern consoles. As cool as it is that it got a remake, I much would've preferred that they'd put the effort towards porting P1/P2IS/P2EP/P3FES. Heck, even making definitive versions of them would be great. Imagine a mix of P3FES and Portable where the male route has all of FES's mechanics and the female route has all of Portable's mechanics!
Overall, I have to say I completely agree with just about everything you said in this video. It's such a shame FES isn't more accessible. And it's also a shame that there's so many people saying Reload is "replacing" FES. I can only hope that history has enough room for three Persona 3s.
All the exhaustion mechanic did was make my guys a little weaker while I grinded and chuckle at the companions being miserable.
Going to the dungeon should not take up time, simple as that. At the very least, there should be "free" periods throughout the month where you can go without taking a hit on your social links. I dislike the gigantic globs of time spent in the dungeon as well.
It's not a problem if you don't go in with a min-max mentality, though. If you only do social links of characters you like, you've got plenty of free time to hop in and out of the labyrinth~
If you love P3 that much, do you even want it to be a replacement? It was the same conversation about remaking FF7. If you still enjoy the originals, having a reason to go back and experience them is good. If not, here you go and you didnt like the originals anyway.
That said, I dont feel any reason to go back to the originals, just like Im not going back to the original P5 or P4. The remakes and updates are just better and worth it, imo.
The sad reality is that most gamers today fall into the normie categories and they're just gonna play the new shiny thing and if they ever see the original version of the game they'l say it's clunky and outdated. There is an audience for older games, like myself really, but a lot of campanies don't give half a flying f about that and preservation. they'd much rather do a RMK to get the big normie bucks. Most system changes from p3 to p4 and then to p5 were to make the game easier and more streamlined so as to make it more acessible and appealing to a more general demoghraphic.
What i'm trying to say is that the companies are gonna do what they do and mostly only care about revenue. lucky for us, emulation and mods exists. so games can and are preserved and if there is any glaring flaw with the original game chances are there is some sort of mod that changes that and the best part is that it's all your choice, you make your own custom experience like you want. You used the example of music multiple times, and that rmks and remaster should give you the choice of the original audio and the new one and you're right, but most companies don't think like that, but again there will be mods to remedy that, to give you this choice.
So it's cool when they hive us some rmks and remaster and stuff but to expect too much is copium, for preservation we as community need to do it ourselves. I have to say I don't quite understand the value that some ppl put into official releases of older games, specially because they're pretty much always inferior version than what we can easily emulate.
You say preservation yet you ignore the fact that faithful remakes like reload are quite literally another form of preservation. By bringing new life to older titles it gives new generations a way to experience relics of the past. You're just mad for some reason cause it isn't exactly what you wanted (?) Weird hill to die on but you do you.
@@justsomeguy727 you're assuming a lot on your comment, I'm not mad whatsoever, the existance of a rmk doesn't take anything away from the original.
Also calling Reload faithful is a big, and i mean big stretch, it changes most rpg mechanics and the whole balance, to be more in line with persona 5, the script has been changed a lot in multiple parts to be less "problematic" and less dark. Honestly the whole vibe and aesthetic is different now, it doesn't give the same depression vibes as the original and that seems very much on purpose, since the original touched a lot on death and self termination (can't say the actual word on youtube), the literal first scene of the game makes my point.
keep in mind that none of this is necessarily better or worse, it's just different. I'll just say that older doesn't mean worse and newer doesn't mean better.
How you got that i'm mad that a rmk now exists is a bit strange to me, since in my original comment I was simply saying that we shouldn't expect much from the big companies besides rmks, but that's ok because with emulation and mods we can have the best of every world. I was trying to be positive and not negative.
The only thing i'm mad about is that atlus has done it again and kept the extra content and campaign out of the rmk because they plan to sell it later as a dlc for 30 dollars, mark my words.
lol you didnt cook... this was a spoiled raw meat 😂
OG p3 is the most outdated. Everything else is good, expect The Answer 💀
It totally is a replacment if it actually fixes the shitty-ass tartarus dungeon lol
Found the fes simp.
found the Denuvo simp how is your 70$ half assed remake that Doesn't even have half the content Portable does?
@@snintendog *yawn* another unoriginal and salty reply . Touch grass glue eater.
@@AsherTheModdermost of the fandom is like this unfortunately, just take a look at the comments in this video.
@@AsherTheModderits clear that they're salty about not being able to play as Kotone and thats it 🤷♂️
problem bruv?@@FallingStar1080
P3 in general is pretty low on my Megaten tier list, but even still I think FES is the definitive way to play it. Portable is kind of a meme, and while I'm enjoying Reload atm it really is just "we have P5 at home." I did beat Nyx on PS2 FES, so at least I can say I did better than DSP. I agree that the exhaustion and tactics mechanics gave P3 its own identity and unique balancing. The social links are at their worst in P3, with more than half of them feeling meh to actively irritating to complete. P3 FeMC exclusive links were, once again, really just memes and cute additions for returning players so at least it has that. So far Reload has made a few improvements but the base of a lot of these links still just kinda suck.
Alright, ATLUS, you got the Persona out of your system for a bit. Now I need a SMT4 re-release or SMT5 Maniax with a better ending, pretty please. I believe in you.
(I'll also take a new Raidou game, but I know better than to ask for that)
Its definitely the most optimal version of p3.
its an replacement
I've fully completed P3R and I find it to be lacking in many ways. For one, the female MC from Portable was what made the game impactful for me, even though I played FES before Portable, and this game costing $70, $100 in Australia while not having her is quite frankly unacceptable in my opinion. I also found the new voice actors to be inferior to the originals, it's not their fault but I feel as though the direction for the VAs was poor here, lines don't have as much impact and emotion. Though I only played with the English voice cast, maybe the Japanese cast are good. I've also found that the game is vastly easier than even Portable on normal mode. I played on Hard difficutly and did not have a hard time at all, the added gameplay mechanics like Theurgy make it easy to bulldoze even the toughest enemies. I also find that the remade visuals and UI detract from the experience, the original 3 versions of P3 have a very distinct, mid 2000s techno-futurism aesthetic thats completely lost in Reload, as it's UI more often that not is less Persona 3 and more "Persona 5 but less chaotic". I also find many of the remixed vocal tracks, Mass Destruction in partiicular to be far inferior to their originals. In general I feel like P3R fails to capture the original game's strengths in a lot of ways and I will be sticking to Persona 3 Portable as my preffered way to play Persona 3. I apologise for the long rant but I wanted to give my take.
If you ever play any version of P3 again I heavily encourage you to play it with original JP audio, they have some very big names like Maya Sakamoto as aigis, Rie Tanaka as Mitsuru, Miyuki Sawashiro as Elizabeth and Hikaru Midorikawa as Akihiko and no shade to the english dub but the japanese much better and more immersive. All japanese voices reprised their roles on reload and they don't miss a beat, they can all act their characters perfectly which is amazing considering how long it has been since the original game came out. But besides graphics and voice acting I agree that reload is in general just a downgrade.
It sounds like you just wanted to hate Reload and looked for every opportunity to do so.
The new cast is lacking? Really? Have you heard the old voices for Shinjiro, Ken, Fuuka, Chidori, etc?
Literally you just made the thing about the old UI up. Oh, a list of items in plain font against a blank blue background (maybe with a random lighter blue vector somewhere) that's got a yellow border on the left. Such a strong mid-2000s aesthetic! I remember everything being a bullet-point list on blue!
@@hypotheticaltapeworm my man, I played P3R all the way through on Game Pass and I enjoyed it. It's still Persona 3 and Persona 3 is my favourite game of all time I have no reason to just make up reasons to hate Reload, because I don't hate Reload. I stand by my points. People can have different opinions from you and not be pulling straws.
@@lucymorrison Yeah, you were just singing its praises in your original comment. Look, you can be a pedant. It's fine, just don't pretend that you're anything more than that because I showed you any dissent. You can't convince me you liked the game after your ridiculous list of whines, you can't pretend to be rational after demonstrating that you were not. "It's not exactly the same as the game I can still play, here's an essay."
Agreed in almost all points. I played persona 3 when it first came out and fell in love with it. (i also played persona 4 and 5 when they were released). And this summer i finally got the chance to play persona 3 with the female mc and as a girl i fell much more in love with the game all over again. I still hope they release the the female route as dlc or like royal edition. I liked the remake, it had some quality of life improvements. The new tracks were also great. However i did not like the remade tracks as much as the original version. Nothing against the female singer, but for me her voice is to soft, it lacks the edge and power. Also when viewing the original and remake art direction, it became so much evident how they brithened the colors, somuch so that the darker and serious tone of the game got lost. I did not have a problem with the new voice actors, besides akihiko and aigis. Aigis didnt sound like a machine at the begining and akihiko was lacking something. Another thing i wish they made better were the anime cutscences. THe original ones created a haunting atmospehere, wheares the new one were either replaced with ingame cutscenes which are infrerior to the anime cutscenes from the original or just unnecessary. I didnt need to watch how the team moves in slow motion in their new clothes.The awaking of mcs persona was in my opinion way better, as well as the major thing that happened at the start of october and finally the last stand of the party against the final boss were way more epic and desperate). The ingame character models look great though.
I am usually not a person how criticizes a remake or remaster, this is the first time i experience this. Its not dissapointment, the game is still good but its the thought that they could have made the game better...
How come you're whispering so much?
Golden and Royal is definitely better than the orignal. reload just doesnt have The Answer and FeMc
While I am not surprised they cut the female Protagonist (the Devs aren't exactly known to be... progressive enough to think that women can be important enough to have value as Protagonists), I am still baffled that people tolerate and even defend this decision.
It's something so basic, that should honestly be standard in gaming, especially if it's a remake of a game that already had this BASIC feature.
If I remember right the devs words a few years back were "Female Protagonists are unrealistic for the setting", but I translated it into the more honest "I'm just a mysoginist" @@eyy_man1162
I'm not sure what version of persona you play but the series is very progressive for a Japanese property, tackling issues like SA, body dis morphia and harmful stereotypes. This goes without saying but Japan is a completely different culture from the west with its own politics, expecting a Jrpg to cover social issues through the western progressive lens is kinda like trying to find an evolutionary biologist in a pentecostal church. It's way more likely that Atlus simply didn't want to have to spend extra time and money reanimating the same scenes for kotone as well as having the voice actors record new voice lines for the new social links. it would certainly be nice if they add kotone later down the road but I don't see that happening it's unfortunate but it's just the way it is
It really isn't.
The Protagonists insult the one character that could be implied to be trans and her ending has her return back to being male.
And the gay people are predators (while the female straight Predators like the Teacher are shown to be just peachy romance options).
If you want an actually Progressive Japanese Game, play Caligula Effect.
Hell METAL GEAR SOLID is better, one of the most important characters in the series is definitely gay and there are multiple bisexuals.
Please. Have some standards. Don't like the boots of people that kick you, have some self respect. @@franklindbrosevelt5260
@@franklindbrosevelt5260 "Harmful Stereotypes"
Like the fat girl that is just there for comedic effect and to be unlikeable? Or the two gay guys that are child predators while the female teachers are valid romance options for the underage main character?
Like those?
listen buddy, femc was just a cheap little addition to soften the blow that persona 3 portable gutted all the 3d environments. Its so in your face that you are playing a girl that they even made the blue ui PINK. they cheaped out on adding femc Sure, but dont act like they are doing some anti-women thing or whatever.
haha you ended up being wrong
Bro you’re dragging it. It’s the same shit