Yes without a doubt! We can see this pattern in all western countries. But in reality it is a worldwide phenomenon, everywhere female suffrage is legalised country goes down. We can see this in Japan, Muslim world, Soviet Russia, India and to a lesser degree in China.
In 2024, it’d be more accurate to describe it as “devolution”. The end result of liberalism and its downstream effects such as “democracy” are the perils of Western civilization. Any proposed solution that utilizes these principles is woefully inadequate. So many fail to realize this
Muslims got classical Greco-Roman learning from Middle Eastern Christians translating those classical works from Greek and Syriac into Arabic, from scholars such as Hunayn ibn Ishaq, Abu Bishr Matta ibn Yunus, Yahya ibn Adi.
To claim that people were "conforming" their minds to the same schools and standards for two thousand years is an overstatement because the Church was the center of culture in most of European history. Wisdom and knowledge were transmitted by monks while 95% of people until the 18th century were illiterate.
Literacy was probably way higher than 5% for people's mother tongue, it's just that what was considered literate was knowing Latin(or Slavonic or Greek in the East), since that was what the vast majority of books were written in. If a person learned the alphabet they would probably know how to write their mother tongue even if they couldn't read or write Latin, and those people were more than 5% of a population.
It is a good presentation, but I learned more about the present situation compared to the past, from this book: "(prevent) The Death of Christian Civilization"
The most important lesson from Spengler, as it pertains to the West, is that the soul of the West is Germanic, whatever our intellectual or religious trappings. The Germans were not Christianized so much as Christianity was Germanized.
Yes. Spengler saw the classical civilisation of Greece and Rome as quite separate to that which came to be called "the west". The west has its true roots in the Germanic world. There were many branches of the Germanic world that took advantage of the decline of Rome to expand geographically across western and southern Europe. But the most important were the Franks, who founded the most resilient Germanic kingdom using Roman Catholicism to legitimise it. However, despite ultimately giving itself the name of "Holy Roman Empire" the kingdom was Roman in name only. In fact it was once famously, and accurately, described as being neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire Later, a minor collection of Germanic tribes, became the precursor to a branch of the same western civilisation that, in the end, rose to virtual world dominance, the Anglo-Saxons. These were not people of classical Rome and Greece. Spengler was right about that.
@@ThinkingWest I would agree it was at first and in the East, but as Christendom developed in the West it comes to take on a distinctly Germanic tone. The Warrior Bishops/clergy of early Christendom are a perfect example.
@@xenophon5354 If thats the old romanticization of the pagan world let me burts your bubble and remind you that its the liberal order that is collapsing Europe, not the traditional order, traditional societies are not collapsing from the destruction of the nuclear family and colective civil society, its that "germanic faustian soul that gave birth to this liberal mindset, the faustian soul that has come full circle. We will now forcefully return to the traditional order, for me personally its a return to the christianity branch of Europe. The faustian soul that is expressed by the number infinite has forgotten that nobility and leadership can only be attained by the virtue of service and hummility, by waging war to all barriers the faustian soul now has nothing to serve but itself, thus it can no longer be virtuous or noble, it can no longer lead, because leadership, humility and nobility are virtues of service to others, to higher causes.
Hey there Thinking West. What is your opinion on the university degrees in western civilisations from the Ramsay institute of western civilisation and the university of Wollongong.
“I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned” John 15:5-6 The death of Christianity in the west is the death of the West, like it or not.
@@ThinkingWest awesome!! There’s so much content you could get from him, he’s one of the few big historians with the right mindset to approach medieval society faithfully imo.
Is falling... This analysis shows the west as bearers of salvation and portrays indigenous people as willingly embracing the religion, when in reality, it was a massive genocide carried out by the christian colonizers. It also frames the actions of the east india company as leading to technological and educational advancements, when their primary aim was to extract profit from the labor and resources of the occupied populations. Any advancements they achieved were for their own benefit, hindering national progress and purposely denying native self-determination. The West will fall. May thy blade chip and shatter.
No. More appropriately stated it is "falling" but not fully "fallen". According to Spengler and others, it's in decline and has been since at least, sometime in the 1800s. Civilizations can take a couple hundred years or so to completely die.
Where did the Greeks get the knowledge and wisdom that is considered foundational to Western Civilisation ? Did they miraculously create it or were they educated by another great civilisation ?
You don’t really understand just how unique Christianity was it was not an amalgamation of Judaism and prominent philosophies. This video comes across as atheistic when discussing Christianity it would have been fine to compare some similar elements of the philosophies to Christianity but to directly call it a fusion is just incorrect and insulting.
What of the Germanic ‘barbarians’ input?! Don’t they get a mention? Most of us watching this will be of European descent and they are likely of a Germanic tribe: Goths, Franks, Angles, Saxons, Lombards, Burgundians, Frisians, etc? Do they have no ideas of their own? It was they that chose and interpreted from all the Roman, Greek, and Christian ideas that you rightly mention. Are they not the primary reason the West is different to the Eastern Europe? I think you need to do and update, edit, or addendum video.
Subtly denying Christianity in this video was really cringe. A vague platitude that Christianity shares some similarities with other belief systems is a really weak argument, given that the ancient Greeks exhibited many of the cardinal virtues which would have led them more closely towards God. It’s entirely possible through reason alone to draw closer to the truth and so it comes to pass that a highly developed and intellectual civilisation would have parallels to what had been divinely revealed in Judaism and later in the coming of Christ - the Jews seemed to think so, hence the Sadducees were founded and sought to bridge the gap between Judaism and Hellenism. Seriously though, I guarantee the majority of your viewers are Christian and misrepresenting and dismissing the faith like this will have pissed a lot of us off. Major L, I suggest you do some further reading into Christianity before you post another video on this topic.
Curious, where do I deny Christianity's role? I believe I was very heavily leaning on Christianity throughout. I very much give credit to Christianity.
@ not Christianity’s role, but the truth of its testimony in essentially portraying it as a philosophical amalgamation of preceding schools of thought, essentially a fraud, rather than the teachings and revelation of Jesus Christ. Forgive me if I’ve misinterpreted your point but you essentially seem to have described it as a hybrid of Judaism and Hellenism from its inception rather than unique revelation building on what has come before.
@@ThinkingWest You betray your real feelings about Christianity in both the words you choose and the way you accented and enunciated them. I could practically see the eye-rolling going on. The fact is the West was at its best when it was solidly Christian, and has been in sharp decline ever since it decided it didn't need Christ anymore.
Only Jesus Christ saves from hell. The Lord Jesus Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV). We have redemption through His blood (Ephesians 1:7 KJV). Water baptism DOESN'T save us (1 Corinthians 1:17 KJV). We are saved by grace through faith, not our works (Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV).
"Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (1 Peter 3:21)
No Abrahamic religion is saving the West. For the long term survival of your civilisation you must go back to the beliefs of your ancestors and one of those is paganism.
I love the Christian fanatics in the chat crying that Christianity wasn’t praised and all other religions weren’t mocked Christianity had a political parody where high ranking priests would compete with low nobility in marrying and owning land to expand their influence. The reason why the bible wasn’t translated from Latin for years was to prevent the people from comprehending it in a personal matter, just like how today we offer sanitised versions of the bible to the youth because reading certain contexts like in numbers where during the unification of Jerusalem it was said to kill all men, non-virgin women and to impregnate those who were still virgin. Said from god’s chosen Israelite. This doesn’t even get to the basis that Christianity’s ‘original and unique’ concepts were inspired and reinvented from the Babylonian mythos, or the texts of the Greek Hermes which were written in a duration worth 100 years, mostly claimed by Christianised Egyptians. Alternatively you can look at the romanised Christian how the war gods became the archangels and some deities within the pantheon were revised to fit the narrative preached by the Apostles and monks It’s a ramble I know, but I just saw the unrighteous hatred for this TH-camr because of “Not respecting Christianity for its great accomplishments” Keep up the good work mate, this is pretty high quality work equivalent to what is taught in university
Get over yourself, monotheist ethnics mattered a fxcking lot in western culture, frankly im tired od hearing you nordics change human history to be your origin story disregarding our cultural heritage on the other parts of europe lot you just carried the whole world on your back forever.
give women the right to vote and civilization ends 100 years later
Yes without a doubt! We can see this pattern in all western countries. But in reality it is a worldwide phenomenon, everywhere female suffrage is legalised country goes down. We can see this in Japan, Muslim world, Soviet Russia, India and to a lesser degree in China.
one of yours incelish thoughts?
@@damianfleszar8576 You have no counter argument, only an insult, made worse because you probably don't know what an INCEL is.
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@@damianfleszar8576Women agree with this statement. Its just a fact that women are more liberal and liberalism destroys society.
In 2024, it’d be more accurate to describe it as “devolution”. The end result of liberalism and its downstream effects such as “democracy” are the perils of Western civilization. Any proposed solution that utilizes these principles is woefully inadequate. So many fail to realize this
Didn’t Muslims gain ancients texts from Christian monks?
I'm sure they did. But they also preserved a few that didn't get preserved through western channels later on.
Muslims coulden't read texts on latin.
Muslims got classical Greco-Roman learning from Middle Eastern Christians translating those classical works from Greek and Syriac into Arabic, from scholars such as Hunayn ibn Ishaq, Abu Bishr Matta ibn Yunus, Yahya ibn Adi.
The model of the tree AFAIK is from Saint Thomas Aquinas.
I'm not surprised I'm unwittingly ripping off someone like Aquinas.
All because of a certain group
To claim that people were "conforming" their minds to the same schools and standards for two thousand years is an overstatement because the Church was the center of culture in most of European history. Wisdom and knowledge were transmitted by monks while 95% of people until the 18th century were illiterate.
I agree "conforming" is not the best word here.
Literacy was probably way higher than 5% for people's mother tongue, it's just that what was considered literate was knowing Latin(or Slavonic or Greek in the East), since that was what the vast majority of books were written in. If a person learned the alphabet they would probably know how to write their mother tongue even if they couldn't read or write Latin, and those people were more than 5% of a population.
It is a good presentation, but I learned more about the present situation compared to the past, from this book: "(prevent) The Death of Christian Civilization"
The most important lesson from Spengler, as it pertains to the West, is that the soul of the West is Germanic, whatever our intellectual or religious trappings. The Germans were not Christianized so much as Christianity was Germanized.
How very germanicentric of him
Yes. Spengler saw the classical civilisation of Greece and Rome as quite separate to that which came to be called "the west". The west has its true roots in the Germanic world.
There were many branches of the Germanic world that took advantage of the decline of Rome to expand geographically across western and southern Europe. But the most important were the Franks, who founded the most resilient Germanic kingdom using Roman Catholicism to legitimise it.
However, despite ultimately giving itself the name of "Holy Roman Empire" the kingdom was Roman in name only. In fact it was once famously, and accurately, described as being neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire
Later, a minor collection of Germanic tribes, became the precursor to a branch of the same western civilisation that, in the end, rose to virtual world dominance, the Anglo-Saxons.
These were not people of classical Rome and Greece. Spengler was right about that.
I liked "Romanized" more, but interesting point.
@@ThinkingWest I would agree it was at first and in the East, but as Christendom developed in the West it comes to take on a distinctly Germanic tone. The Warrior Bishops/clergy of early Christendom are a perfect example.
@@xenophon5354 If thats the old romanticization of the pagan world let me burts your bubble and remind you that its the liberal order that is collapsing Europe, not the traditional order, traditional societies are not collapsing from the destruction of the nuclear family and colective civil society, its that "germanic faustian soul that gave birth to this liberal mindset, the faustian soul that has come full circle. We will now forcefully return to the traditional order, for me personally its a return to the christianity branch of Europe.
The faustian soul that is expressed by the number infinite has forgotten that nobility and leadership can only be attained by the virtue of service and hummility, by waging war to all barriers the faustian soul now has nothing to serve but itself, thus it can no longer be virtuous or noble, it can no longer lead, because leadership, humility and nobility are virtues of service to others, to higher causes.
Hey there Thinking West. What is your opinion on the university degrees in western civilisations from the Ramsay institute of western civilisation and the university of Wollongong.
We had a good run......
Please make a video on the role of women in the middle ages.
gotta love the east/west ragebait
“I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned” John 15:5-6
The death of Christianity in the west is the death of the West, like it or not.
I love Christopher Dawson!
I've just picked up another of his works....he has so many.
@@ThinkingWest awesome!! There’s so much content you could get from him, he’s one of the few big historians with the right mindset to approach medieval society faithfully imo.
So... It is over. The West has fallen.
Is falling...
This analysis shows the west as bearers of salvation and portrays indigenous people as willingly embracing the religion, when in reality, it was a massive genocide carried out by the christian colonizers. It also frames the actions of the east india company as leading to technological and educational advancements, when their primary aim was to extract profit from the labor and resources of the occupied populations. Any advancements they achieved were for their own benefit, hindering national progress and purposely denying native self-determination.
The West will fall.
May thy blade chip and shatter.
No. More appropriately stated it is "falling" but not fully "fallen". According to Spengler and others, it's in decline and has been since at least, sometime in the 1800s. Civilizations can take a couple hundred years or so to completely die.
Where did the Greeks get the knowledge and wisdom that is considered foundational to Western Civilisation ?
Did they miraculously create it or were they educated by another great civilisation ?
Valentinian philosophy would've given us a stronger Christian doctrine than what we got with Roman Orthodoxy.. IMO
You don’t really understand just how unique Christianity was it was not an amalgamation of Judaism and prominent philosophies. This video comes across as atheistic when discussing Christianity it would have been fine to compare some similar elements of the philosophies to Christianity but to directly call it a fusion is just incorrect and insulting.
What of the Germanic ‘barbarians’ input?! Don’t they get a mention? Most of us watching this will be of European descent and they are likely of a Germanic tribe: Goths, Franks, Angles, Saxons, Lombards, Burgundians, Frisians, etc? Do they have no ideas of their own? It was they that chose and interpreted from all the Roman, Greek, and Christian ideas that you rightly mention. Are they not the primary reason the West is different to the Eastern Europe?
I think you need to do and update, edit, or addendum video.
Perhaps Islam did well due to the way they taxed their victims, particularly the tax of blood.
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Subtly denying Christianity in this video was really cringe. A vague platitude that Christianity shares some similarities with other belief systems is a really weak argument, given that the ancient Greeks exhibited many of the cardinal virtues which would have led them more closely towards God. It’s entirely possible through reason alone to draw closer to the truth and so it comes to pass that a highly developed and intellectual civilisation would have parallels to what had been divinely revealed in Judaism and later in the coming of Christ - the Jews seemed to think so, hence the Sadducees were founded and sought to bridge the gap between Judaism and Hellenism. Seriously though, I guarantee the majority of your viewers are Christian and misrepresenting and dismissing the faith like this will have pissed a lot of us off. Major L, I suggest you do some further reading into Christianity before you post another video on this topic.
Curious, where do I deny Christianity's role? I believe I was very heavily leaning on Christianity throughout. I very much give credit to Christianity.
@ not Christianity’s role, but the truth of its testimony in essentially portraying it as a philosophical amalgamation of preceding schools of thought, essentially a fraud, rather than the teachings and revelation of Jesus Christ. Forgive me if I’ve misinterpreted your point but you essentially seem to have described it as a hybrid of Judaism and Hellenism from its inception rather than unique revelation building on what has come before.
I think you're missing his point. This was a very well done, constructed and thought out presentation.
@@ThinkingWest You betray your real feelings about Christianity in both the words you choose and the way you accented and enunciated them. I could practically see the eye-rolling going on. The fact is the West was at its best when it was solidly Christian, and has been in sharp decline ever since it decided it didn't need Christ anymore.
And rise*
Only Jesus Christ saves from hell. The Lord Jesus Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV). We have redemption through His blood (Ephesians 1:7 KJV). Water baptism DOESN'T save us (1 Corinthians 1:17 KJV). We are saved by grace through faith, not our works (Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV).
Do you believe Catholics/orthodox are saved?
@@Thomas_McCoy Do you believe the opposite ? Our Lord Judge is Christ, not you.
"Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (1 Peter 3:21)
This stuff sounds even crazier when you're a former believer than if you never believed it.
No Abrahamic religion is saving the West. For the long term survival of your civilisation you must go back to the beliefs of your ancestors and one of those is paganism.
negative, western culture still rules.
I love the Christian fanatics in the chat crying that Christianity wasn’t praised and all other religions weren’t mocked
Christianity had a political parody where high ranking priests would compete with low nobility in marrying and owning land to expand their influence.
The reason why the bible wasn’t translated from Latin for years was to prevent the people from comprehending it in a personal matter, just like how today we offer sanitised versions of the bible to the youth because reading certain contexts like in numbers where during the unification of Jerusalem it was said to kill all men, non-virgin women and to impregnate those who were still virgin. Said from god’s chosen Israelite.
This doesn’t even get to the basis that Christianity’s ‘original and unique’ concepts were inspired and reinvented from the Babylonian mythos, or the texts of the Greek Hermes which were written in a duration worth 100 years, mostly claimed by Christianised Egyptians. Alternatively you can look at the romanised Christian how the war gods became the archangels and some deities within the pantheon were revised to fit the narrative preached by the Apostles and monks
It’s a ramble I know, but I just saw the unrighteous hatred for this TH-camr because of “Not respecting Christianity for its great accomplishments”
Keep up the good work mate, this is pretty high quality work equivalent to what is taught in university
Get over yourself, monotheist ethnics mattered a fxcking lot in western culture, frankly im tired od hearing you nordics change human history to be your origin story disregarding our cultural heritage on the other parts of europe lot you just carried the whole world on your back forever.
What role have the juice played in all this?.....
They squeezed all the juice out from people.