The Evolution of Western Civilization

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  • @prestonpowers4717
    @prestonpowers4717 วันที่ผ่านมา +48

    give women the right to vote and civilization ends 100 years later

    • @jirislavicek9954
      @jirislavicek9954 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      Yes without a doubt! We can see this pattern in all western countries. But in reality it is a worldwide phenomenon, everywhere female suffrage is legalised country goes down. We can see this in Japan, Muslim world, Soviet Russia, India and to a lesser degree in China.

    • @damianfleszar8576
      @damianfleszar8576 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      one of yours incelish thoughts?

    • @joejoejoejoejoejoe4391
      @joejoejoejoejoejoe4391 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@damianfleszar8576 You have no counter argument, only an insult, made worse because you probably don't know what an INCEL is.

    • @MattieK09
      @MattieK09 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@damianfleszar8576low T comment

    • @TheMacDonald22
      @TheMacDonald22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@damianfleszar8576Women agree with this statement. Its just a fact that women are more liberal and liberalism destroys society.

  • @baseballworldwide9439
    @baseballworldwide9439 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    In 2024, it’d be more accurate to describe it as “devolution”. The end result of liberalism and its downstream effects such as “democracy” are the perils of Western civilization. Any proposed solution that utilizes these principles is woefully inadequate. So many fail to realize this

  • @nocontent4908
    @nocontent4908 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

    Didn’t Muslims gain ancients texts from Christian monks?

    • @ThinkingWest
      @ThinkingWest  วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      I'm sure they did. But they also preserved a few that didn't get preserved through western channels later on.

    • @reinereine1896
      @reinereine1896 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Muslims coulden't read texts on latin.

    • @asurrealistworld4412
      @asurrealistworld4412 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Muslims got classical Greco-Roman learning from Middle Eastern Christians translating those classical works from Greek and Syriac into Arabic, from scholars such as Hunayn ibn Ishaq, Abu Bishr Matta ibn Yunus, Yahya ibn Adi.

  • @julianlord5366
    @julianlord5366 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    The model of the tree AFAIK is from Saint Thomas Aquinas.

    • @ThinkingWest
      @ThinkingWest  วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      I'm not surprised I'm unwittingly ripping off someone like Aquinas.

  • @mwol5473
    @mwol5473 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    All because of a certain group

  • @n4ughty_knight
    @n4ughty_knight วันที่ผ่านมา +25

    To claim that people were "conforming" their minds to the same schools and standards for two thousand years is an overstatement because the Church was the center of culture in most of European history. Wisdom and knowledge were transmitted by monks while 95% of people until the 18th century were illiterate.

    • @ThinkingWest
      @ThinkingWest  วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      I agree "conforming" is not the best word here.

    • @marcanton5357
      @marcanton5357 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Literacy was probably way higher than 5% for people's mother tongue, it's just that what was considered literate was knowing Latin(or Slavonic or Greek in the East), since that was what the vast majority of books were written in. If a person learned the alphabet they would probably know how to write their mother tongue even if they couldn't read or write Latin, and those people were more than 5% of a population.

  • @ChildrenMedievalBand
    @ChildrenMedievalBand 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    It is a good presentation, but I learned more about the present situation compared to the past, from this book: "(prevent) The Death of Christian Civilization"

  • @xenophon5354
    @xenophon5354 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    The most important lesson from Spengler, as it pertains to the West, is that the soul of the West is Germanic, whatever our intellectual or religious trappings. The Germans were not Christianized so much as Christianity was Germanized.

    • @n4ughty_knight
      @n4ughty_knight วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      How very germanicentric of him

    • @alexdavis1541
      @alexdavis1541 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Yes. Spengler saw the classical civilisation of Greece and Rome as quite separate to that which came to be called "the west". The west has its true roots in the Germanic world.
      There were many branches of the Germanic world that took advantage of the decline of Rome to expand geographically across western and southern Europe. But the most important were the Franks, who founded the most resilient Germanic kingdom using Roman Catholicism to legitimise it.
      However, despite ultimately giving itself the name of "Holy Roman Empire" the kingdom was Roman in name only. In fact it was once famously, and accurately, described as being neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire
      Later, a minor collection of Germanic tribes, became the precursor to a branch of the same western civilisation that, in the end, rose to virtual world dominance, the Anglo-Saxons.
      These were not people of classical Rome and Greece. Spengler was right about that.

    • @ThinkingWest
      @ThinkingWest  วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I liked "Romanized" more, but interesting point.

    • @xenophon5354
      @xenophon5354 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@ThinkingWest I would agree it was at first and in the East, but as Christendom developed in the West it comes to take on a distinctly Germanic tone. The Warrior Bishops/clergy of early Christendom are a perfect example.

    • @BorisMarques14.88
      @BorisMarques14.88 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@xenophon5354 If thats the old romanticization of the pagan world let me burts your bubble and remind you that its the liberal order that is collapsing Europe, not the traditional order, traditional societies are not collapsing from the destruction of the nuclear family and colective civil society, its that "germanic faustian soul that gave birth to this liberal mindset, the faustian soul that has come full circle. We will now forcefully return to the traditional order, for me personally its a return to the christianity branch of Europe.
      The faustian soul that is expressed by the number infinite has forgotten that nobility and leadership can only be attained by the virtue of service and hummility, by waging war to all barriers the faustian soul now has nothing to serve but itself, thus it can no longer be virtuous or noble, it can no longer lead, because leadership, humility and nobility are virtues of service to others, to higher causes.

  • @NicholasKohen
    @NicholasKohen วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Hey there Thinking West. What is your opinion on the university degrees in western civilisations from the Ramsay institute of western civilisation and the university of Wollongong.

  • @will7its
    @will7its วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    We had a good run......

  • @RizzOhio-p4k
    @RizzOhio-p4k วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Please make a video on the role of women in the middle ages.

  • @kyu6938
    @kyu6938 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    gotta love the east/west ragebait

  • @mechailreydon3784
    @mechailreydon3784 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned” John 15:5-6
    The death of Christianity in the west is the death of the West, like it or not.

  • @daniellamunoz8894
    @daniellamunoz8894 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I love Christopher Dawson!

    • @ThinkingWest
      @ThinkingWest  วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I've just picked up another of his works....he has so many.

    • @daniellamunoz8894
      @daniellamunoz8894 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@ThinkingWest awesome!! There’s so much content you could get from him, he’s one of the few big historians with the right mindset to approach medieval society faithfully imo.

  • @AlecFortescue
    @AlecFortescue วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    So... It is over. The West has fallen.

    • @martianreject
      @martianreject วันที่ผ่านมา

      Is falling...
      This analysis shows the west as bearers of salvation and portrays indigenous people as willingly embracing the religion, when in reality, it was a massive genocide carried out by the christian colonizers. It also frames the actions of the east india company as leading to technological and educational advancements, when their primary aim was to extract profit from the labor and resources of the occupied populations. Any advancements they achieved were for their own benefit, hindering national progress and purposely denying native self-determination.
      The West will fall.
      May thy blade chip and shatter.

    • @robreke
      @robreke วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      No. More appropriately stated it is "falling" but not fully "fallen". According to Spengler and others, it's in decline and has been since at least, sometime in the 1800s. Civilizations can take a couple hundred years or so to completely die.

  • @nikkmorrison
    @nikkmorrison 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Where did the Greeks get the knowledge and wisdom that is considered foundational to Western Civilisation ?
    Did they miraculously create it or were they educated by another great civilisation ?

  • @rexd_kin6850
    @rexd_kin6850 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Valentinian philosophy would've given us a stronger Christian doctrine than what we got with Roman Orthodoxy.. IMO

  • @enragedstupor4914
    @enragedstupor4914 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    You don’t really understand just how unique Christianity was it was not an amalgamation of Judaism and prominent philosophies. This video comes across as atheistic when discussing Christianity it would have been fine to compare some similar elements of the philosophies to Christianity but to directly call it a fusion is just incorrect and insulting.

  • @druharper
    @druharper 54 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

    What of the Germanic ‘barbarians’ input?! Don’t they get a mention? Most of us watching this will be of European descent and they are likely of a Germanic tribe: Goths, Franks, Angles, Saxons, Lombards, Burgundians, Frisians, etc? Do they have no ideas of their own? It was they that chose and interpreted from all the Roman, Greek, and Christian ideas that you rightly mention. Are they not the primary reason the West is different to the Eastern Europe?
    I think you need to do and update, edit, or addendum video.

  • @archerofthereformation5966
    @archerofthereformation5966 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Perhaps Islam did well due to the way they taxed their victims, particularly the tax of blood.

  • @paperweight57
    @paperweight57 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    ☦☦☦

  • @awediomusic2137
    @awediomusic2137 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Subtly denying Christianity in this video was really cringe. A vague platitude that Christianity shares some similarities with other belief systems is a really weak argument, given that the ancient Greeks exhibited many of the cardinal virtues which would have led them more closely towards God. It’s entirely possible through reason alone to draw closer to the truth and so it comes to pass that a highly developed and intellectual civilisation would have parallels to what had been divinely revealed in Judaism and later in the coming of Christ - the Jews seemed to think so, hence the Sadducees were founded and sought to bridge the gap between Judaism and Hellenism. Seriously though, I guarantee the majority of your viewers are Christian and misrepresenting and dismissing the faith like this will have pissed a lot of us off. Major L, I suggest you do some further reading into Christianity before you post another video on this topic.

    • @ThinkingWest
      @ThinkingWest  วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Curious, where do I deny Christianity's role? I believe I was very heavily leaning on Christianity throughout. I very much give credit to Christianity.

    • @awediomusic2137
      @awediomusic2137 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @ not Christianity’s role, but the truth of its testimony in essentially portraying it as a philosophical amalgamation of preceding schools of thought, essentially a fraud, rather than the teachings and revelation of Jesus Christ. Forgive me if I’ve misinterpreted your point but you essentially seem to have described it as a hybrid of Judaism and Hellenism from its inception rather than unique revelation building on what has come before.

    • @robreke
      @robreke วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I think you're missing his point. This was a very well done, constructed and thought out presentation.

    • @thadtuiol1717
      @thadtuiol1717 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@ThinkingWest You betray your real feelings about Christianity in both the words you choose and the way you accented and enunciated them. I could practically see the eye-rolling going on. The fact is the West was at its best when it was solidly Christian, and has been in sharp decline ever since it decided it didn't need Christ anymore.

  • @unknowninfinium4353
    @unknowninfinium4353 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    And rise*

  • @ROMANS3-25KJV
    @ROMANS3-25KJV วันที่ผ่านมา +35

    Only Jesus Christ saves from hell. The Lord Jesus Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV). We have redemption through His blood (Ephesians 1:7 KJV). Water baptism DOESN'T save us (1 Corinthians 1:17 KJV). We are saved by grace through faith, not our works (Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV).

    • @Thomas_McCoy
      @Thomas_McCoy วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Do you believe Catholics/orthodox are saved?

    • @julianlord5366
      @julianlord5366 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Thomas_McCoy Do you believe the opposite ? Our Lord Judge is Christ, not you.

    • @jameloncio644
      @jameloncio644 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      "Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (1 Peter 3:21)

    • @frederickburke9944
      @frederickburke9944 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      This stuff sounds even crazier when you're a former believer than if you never believed it.

    • @Siyakha-y4j
      @Siyakha-y4j วันที่ผ่านมา

      No Abrahamic religion is saving the West. For the long term survival of your civilisation you must go back to the beliefs of your ancestors and one of those is paganism.

  • @benjaminrobinson6507
    @benjaminrobinson6507 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    negative, western culture still rules.

  • @cristulaionescu
    @cristulaionescu 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I love the Christian fanatics in the chat crying that Christianity wasn’t praised and all other religions weren’t mocked
    Christianity had a political parody where high ranking priests would compete with low nobility in marrying and owning land to expand their influence.
    The reason why the bible wasn’t translated from Latin for years was to prevent the people from comprehending it in a personal matter, just like how today we offer sanitised versions of the bible to the youth because reading certain contexts like in numbers where during the unification of Jerusalem it was said to kill all men, non-virgin women and to impregnate those who were still virgin. Said from god’s chosen Israelite.
    This doesn’t even get to the basis that Christianity’s ‘original and unique’ concepts were inspired and reinvented from the Babylonian mythos, or the texts of the Greek Hermes which were written in a duration worth 100 years, mostly claimed by Christianised Egyptians. Alternatively you can look at the romanised Christian how the war gods became the archangels and some deities within the pantheon were revised to fit the narrative preached by the Apostles and monks
    It’s a ramble I know, but I just saw the unrighteous hatred for this TH-camr because of “Not respecting Christianity for its great accomplishments”
    Keep up the good work mate, this is pretty high quality work equivalent to what is taught in university

    • @IbnRushd-mv3fp
      @IbnRushd-mv3fp 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Get over yourself, monotheist ethnics mattered a fxcking lot in western culture, frankly im tired od hearing you nordics change human history to be your origin story disregarding our cultural heritage on the other parts of europe lot you just carried the whole world on your back forever.

  • @mayachico9766
    @mayachico9766 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    What role have the juice played in all this?.....

    • @SC-gw8np
      @SC-gw8np 21 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      They squeezed all the juice out from people.