You can try a big old E-Cells Kings Crown, with dual 1,000 nominal watt motors and 4.8 inch fat tires. Has dual 52v batteries and dual suspension..See how that does along side a 350 watt single mid drive motor bike. 😮
Not a bad philosophy. Besides a slightly heavier bike, there is no penalty for larger motors. We can obviously ride faster with e-bikes and a bigger motor just makes you faster. Only argument against is the desire for less weight and assistance.
@@scottpratico1315 Only drawback is weight. My aesthetic I would describe as inner form, how well it works. And cost of course. DIY a top notch E-MTB for a lot less.
I’ve ridden Bosch, Shimano, TQ, Yamaha and Fazua. Out of all of them, the Fazua has that sweet spot of power control to rider inputs/output. The Yamaha is a close second. The other motors have a much sharper or abrupt power delivery
Awesome, that’s good to hear. I’ve only done a short test ride on that motor but liked it. Louder than the TQ probably because rpm of internals is higher but good power delivery. Where do you think the sweat spot range is in terms of pedal cadence?
@@roadlesstraveledtruckee I actually ended up buying a Transition Relay last fall after riding all those motors. When I look at the fazua ride app, my average cadence is somewhere in the 60-70rpm range. And yes, the TQ is so quiet, but I found I had to really push it hard to get some zip out of it - the Fazua feels very similar, but has a bit more grunt everywhere in the power range which makes a huge difference for slow speed technical riding (like navigating a tight uphill rooty rocky switchback punch climb), and in full power mode, it's more power than I really need. I know that Fazua has had some bad press in the past, but I think they've finally gotten their feet underneath them with the purchace of the company by Porsche, and the ability to plug the bike into a laptop and truly tweak literally everything is kinda wild - including diagnostics.
That does sound great, might be a good option for me if I back off the full power 85 NM monsters. I should look more seriously at bikes with these motors.
The Dyname 4.0 advertises 108 Nm of torque which is certainly high enough to create a nice smooth power curve if the motor can sustain a high enough rpm. They say all the right things on their website but understandably do not show us their secret sauce ie. power curve.
Thank you again Patrick.
Your welcome!
This is a great topic There is a lot to try to understand when it comes to motors The more information out there the better.
@@guyvishnu Thank you, I’m so happy it is useful.
Great video as always! Keep it going.
Thanks Mike!
You can try a big old E-Cells Kings Crown, with dual 1,000 nominal watt motors and 4.8 inch fat tires. Has dual 52v batteries and dual suspension..See how that does along side a 350 watt single mid drive motor bike. 😮
Ive got a Bafang BBSHD. Quiet,powerful and seems pretty smooth. Heavy though. My philosophy... use a heavy duty motor underpowered.
Not a bad philosophy. Besides a slightly heavier bike, there is no penalty for larger motors. We can obviously ride faster with e-bikes and a bigger motor just makes you faster. Only argument against is the desire for less weight and assistance.
@roadlesstraveledtruckee there are costs to a physically larger motor in terms of frame design and ground clearance. Not to mention aethetics.
@@scottpratico1315 Only drawback is weight. My aesthetic I would describe as inner form, how well it works. And cost of course. DIY a top notch E-MTB for a lot less.
@@scottpratico1315I love my sub 40 lb Trek fuel eXE but hard to put all the reasons why into words. Your points help.
I’ve ridden Bosch, Shimano, TQ, Yamaha and Fazua. Out of all of them, the Fazua has that sweet spot of power control to rider inputs/output. The Yamaha is a close second. The other motors have a much sharper or abrupt power delivery
Awesome, that’s good to hear. I’ve only done a short test ride on that motor but liked it. Louder than the TQ probably because rpm of internals is higher but good power delivery. Where do you think the sweat spot range is in terms of pedal cadence?
@@roadlesstraveledtruckee I actually ended up buying a Transition Relay last fall after riding all those motors. When I look at the fazua ride app, my average cadence is somewhere in the 60-70rpm range. And yes, the TQ is so quiet, but I found I had to really push it hard to get some zip out of it - the Fazua feels very similar, but has a bit more grunt everywhere in the power range which makes a huge difference for slow speed technical riding (like navigating a tight uphill rooty rocky switchback punch climb), and in full power mode, it's more power than I really need. I know that Fazua has had some bad press in the past, but I think they've finally gotten their feet underneath them with the purchace of the company by Porsche, and the ability to plug the bike into a laptop and truly tweak literally everything is kinda wild - including diagnostics.
That does sound great, might be a good option for me if I back off the full power 85 NM monsters. I should look more seriously at bikes with these motors.
Canyon. New batteries being dispatched beginning of March. I just had an email confirmation of my details and bike details
Yes, received mine about the same time. Thanks for posting.
How about Rocky Mountain motor. Definitely different. I totally agree with how my Yamaha feels lots down low then gone.
The Dyname 4.0 advertises 108 Nm of torque which is certainly high enough to create a nice smooth power curve if the motor can sustain a high enough rpm. They say all the right things on their website but understandably do not show us their secret sauce ie. power curve.
The best e bike motor is the 1 with a working battery! Not like the 1 on my Canyon torque: on. I mean torque: off! 😡
Ha ha, I feel your pain. BTW, we are suppose to hear by the end of the week!
I returned my spectral cf7 on. Getting yt decoy mx core 3. Yt battery seems much better quality.
@@art-mr9dpyes, I can confirm the YT battery is solid!
😂😂😂
@@art-mr9dpthe Shimano motor sucks balls