Im 53 and go to lots of different concerts and festivals. Joost Klein may be not be making my kind of "genre" in music, but I can recognise quality and this is truly an artist. I feel sorry for you that you dont get it. Just wait for the live show.
I get he is an artist, I also listen to his discography long time before he released the song. I dont like this one at all. Thats just it and I believe that live show will be fun.
It is a tribute to his papa and to Eurovision and the European feeling as a local belonging. He is taking Eurovision very seriously. Of course taste is personal but I love it in all its diversity in message, combining styles and showing some unique Dutch features
Best decision the Netherlands ever made to send this song. It's brilliant on many levels and would dare to claim it is one of the most qualitative tracks out there. Pitty you can't enjoy it for what it is. It's not making fun of eurovision at all. But hey, to everyone their own, we can't all enjoy the same.
no worries, I get it... i just did not get the music / melody however you call it, which is for me more important than a message... especially at eurovision
For me it’s totally about the emotions combinated by sound, words and images. That’s the show. ESC is not only about melodies for me. This song is about a kind of closure after a long, hard struggle in which he searched for help (lots of time in vain). He expresses the journey.
@JanBors you say it is about the melody... but in your video you are stating you think he is making fun of Eurovision? Does that not mean you care about the contents? Did you listen to it with the subtitles as well?
@@Jilkab nope, I did not - eurovision is not a message contest, song fistly for me is a melody, its just ... come on, I am 90s kid and I was feeling ashamed of such music back than. Now it feels like a bad joke.
I'm kinda shocked reading some comments under this video. To be honest, this song definitely made my life a bit better even on the 1st listening as well as on another one. I'm almost 100% sure this would be my #1 this year after all songs are released. I also strongly disagree on Jan's take about joke entries - this is in my opinion top quality product, this reflects a huge layer of what many people are actually listening to. This is how music industry works nowdays (sometimes, some places). Still, the thing I'd like to ask other people: what offends you so much when you hear an opinion that differs so much from yours? What is this ageist nonsense about? Do you realise that some let's say 80 years old people also watch Eurovision and their musical taste also deserves to exist? Bruh, what a shame
but everyone can listen what they want, I am just reacting and giving my hones opinion on that, which is very consistent over years. So it should also be no surprise. So I am glad you enjoy this. As I said, this will people vote for.
I love it, it makes you feel happy, and also a sad because it is also a beautiful closure to your parents and the pain. And also a new begin for his life.
For me it was on the good road to be a champions league, a serious contest, where fan also means quality, where the best of the best songs goes. But its becoming a pub/bar fan for a saturday night. Few decisions and here we go.
I find it funny, eurovision was never about quality, its always been about funny acts, burning pianos, naked men, aliens in tin foil and swinging 4 meter long dresses with dancers coming out of it. The great thing about this is that gatekeeping is unnecesary, since you dont have to take eurovision seriously. It makes for beautifull art, and im here for all of that.
@@maddy01010 I like this videoclip by Joost, but you're wrong about ESC. You're probably too young to know and have lived by ESC's earlier years. The trend you describe is applicable to the more recent decades of ESC.
You obviously don't understand the deeper meaning of this song. He is not burning Eurovision, he is burning his past and is moving on...His father died when he was 13 and a year later his mother pased away a year later. He always used to watch Eurovision with his parents (good memories) and would say to them one day I'll be there...
I got the message, but Eurovision is not a message contest, its music first and I crave for melody. This is just what I said. It is popular, ok, but that does not rly mean quality. I am glad he is doing music he loves, he is an amazing performer but this simply is a joke in his style. Not blaming him, he does in what he is good at. But it will also influence others next year and they will bring even worse, just thinking this is it. I look at it rly from absolutely different perspective.
@@JanBorsit is not a music nor an artist contest. It is a SONG contest. Happy tunes but sad lyrics throughout. It is a masterpiece and not an anti Eurovision song. On the contrary he is a huge fan. Nothing funny about the song just happy hardcore and heartfelt deep texts.
@@JanBorsits called the Eurovision SONG contest not ""eurovision perfomance contest". its all about the original song and not the performance at the end of the day. but thats where our opinion might differ and thats oke.
Listen, Joost made a point of using a music style that was invented in the Netherlands, namely gabber,/happy hardcore. The music wascreated by one of the most famous DJs Paul Elstak. It is also a song with a message (borders are created by people). You not getting it and being hung on something your country did wrong does NOT make it bad.
@@JanBorsAh no, it is not. You see, the biggest export product of the Netherlands is not flowers, it's electronic music. Tiësto, Garrix, Armin van Buuren, Afrojack, Hardwell and let's not forget the musical mastermind composer Tom Holkenberg (DJ Junkie XL).
@JanBors NO IT'S NOT! It was for sure the opposite of what you think. He and his parents always loved watching Eurovision together, he promised his dad to represent the Netherlands in the Eurovision. To make his parents happy and proud, I'm pretty sure he still hopes to give them these feelings, even though they are in heaven. Show a little respect to his effort. I think he made a genius track. Too bad you absolutely got the wrong idea
Greetings from The Netherlands. Thank you for your honest reaction. ❤ I don't agree with you (it's very Dutch and I love it) but I appreciate your honest opinion. We Dutch are often called rude, but that's not the case. We are honest in our opinion. You are too. You are not rude, you give a real reaction. Thank you and love from a Dutchie! 🎉 I hope your country will have succes in this year's ESC.
I don’t understand your negativity, I watch Eurovision for a long time and to me this “trend” doesn’t seem like a such an issue. I would also say that these songs have so much more to do with current trends in music, club culture, especially these 90’ sounds. And I would definitely not say these entries are just a joke or that they lack quality. I will rather have more song like this one or Estonias, than overhyped keiino, their entry was much more a “joke” to me. But yep I see Eurovision as a fun tv show, for me it needs to be amusing and I will rather have 4 similar songs to this one than 4 songs like that Azerbaijani song that qualified with 0 televote. And that’s the main issue, viewers are split and I don’t think that there is any easy solution
Just one sentence in this song: 'I lost everything, except time. I'm traveling every day cause the world is mine'.... Meaning: I lost everything what's important to me (his parents) the only thing that remains is the time he needs to fill up. He's running, searching, trying to find something. Every day over and over and again in a world where he feels lonely. All sung and performed in a 'happy hardcore' style. As a contrast, as a mask. I leave the rest for you to discover. Don't judge a book by its cover. Read it.
Eurovision is intended to celebrate , all countries together as one, different music entries emphasize that even though everyone is different, we come together through music and with freedom to like it or not
thats what we should respect, anything goes to eurovision. Only thing is in my perspective, which I have since forever, that I would like a eurovision as a prestige platform and not a place of joke. This limit has everyone elswhere and thats also ok. For me Joost is actually ok, more importantly is, what does such entries predict for the future of the context in upcoming years. Thx for your coment :)
@@JanBors Hello, I understand your point of view, the only thing I see differently is that this is not a joke. What Joost does, he brings lightness and humor to my mind. With his personal meaning behind the song, it gives a completely different light to the song. . If every song were serious then it might be boring... besides, the world has so much sadness and difficult times right now, despite that, Eurovision brings many people together. have very nice day
My appreciation for it wasn't immediate either. However, once you go beyond the superficial hang-ups, the entry comes from a place of love. With a deeper meaning behind the lyrics as well. And the dutch have NEVER sent this homegrown style of music.
I look at it how a standard viewer but laso jurors. When they are going to see the contest, what they will say to community... it will be omg, such a trash. Responsibility towards the wider picture is gone.
I think your reaction is valid as a template for the casual viewer in May, who likely won’t do an in depth investigation into lyrics and meaning beforehand either. The juries, that’s another matter. I know many of them will dismiss this for the same reasons as you did, but getting to know the background of each song should be part of their work. If THEY don’t make the effort, then what sets them apart from regular viewers? Then they are just casual viewers with a jury name tag. This is the problem I have with how the juries function right now.
Joost his parents both died when he was at a age of around 12. His father died from cancer, and Joost says that this song is a letter to his father since his father told him when Joost was young that the borders of the world are made up by human, so you can make the world whatever you want what passed him an expansive view of the world
I instantly loved this song It is 100% Dutch and it smells so beautifuly European as well.. All the fun, love, respect...he made me proud to be European... ... and when I found more about Joost it made me love it even more And btw I was born and raised in your neighbour country Slovakia but I'm a proud norwegian now...
We (Belgium neighbours of the Netherlands) don't dare joke entries, but they do. It has grown on me, I speak dutch also and there is a sensitive message in the song but wrapped in crazyness hahaha 😄😄💥
You, missed the point completely because you probably won't be able to understand what and why he has made this masterpiece. Turn subtitles on., and read what this song is about and why it is a true UVSC worthy song. Joost lost his dad to cancer when he was a teenager +/- 13 years old, and his mother died from a heart attack a year later. ""Those who laugh the brightest most always have the heaviest loads they carry around, where ever they travel that backpack of experiences is always there, they can't escape from that, be as free a spirit as you can be, respect your elders, don't waste your time, an ode to his dad's credo""borders are stupid"", and Ubuntu(*)"" This sums up Europapa (papa is Dutch for Daddy) for me, it is true Art and a masterpiece by Joost (Joast) Klein (kline). (*) Ubuntu (Xhosa(a South African tribe language) for "we are all as one"") is the most prolific, important, eye-opening, life-changing word I have learned in my 58 years of being an earthling. Ubuntu to you, fellow earthling :) Btw Klein means small in Dutch. Joost Klein, dream big But it's your prerogative to like and dislike whatever, as long as you understand what it means. The hidden gems really did pass you by unnoticed, F,e: The homage to Dutch Dance, techno,EDM, and gabber music, his mention of Stromae and why, and so many more hidden gems. You have not really informed yourself well enough to make a just impression, try again knowing this little about it still for your own sake, please.
it is not about lyrics, its a music which just is locally popular, good, its ok, but also its a song (musically) which will be laughted at... you missed more likely my point...
This is literally the best and most Dutch song sent by the NL from what I remember and I'm 56. But as always, there will be some who don't like it and don't get it.
@@JanBors I thought of putting on a Eurovision 2024 playlist in my car the other day and was shocked by the utter garbage this year (with a handful of exceptions). It was only 3 years ago (2021) when almost every song that made it to the final was either a bop, a banger or had a certain level of quality. The winner that year became a global sensation like ABBA and Celine Dion did. I had high hopes it would be a new page for Eurovision but look where we are now.
@@JanBors Smaken verschillen nu eenmaal. Maar ik zie in je reactie dat je binnen enkele seconden al je mening klaarhebt. En als je een reaction video hebt, dan moet je misschien wat meer moeite doen m.i. Je hebt een en ander gemist, duidelijk.
@@JanBorsremember the quality of the 80's? After ABBA there were a lot of meaningless awful songs for decades. Even winners as what's another year were vomit inducing, so sweet it gives instant diabetes. Only Little Big stood out as quality. And I am 55, just haven't shut my brain down for "new" quality productions.
Well I’m old and have seen joke songs tru all my live in Eurovision, for me that’s also Eurovision. I like it, it has a lot of memories in it for me. 🎉
Lol, I would highly recommend reading some background about the artist and the composition before jumping to a conclusion... You see, you say "Eurovision is my passion. Eurovision was my work and I am still gladly part of the professional community of this project. I started at Eurovision 2016 as Czech Head of Delegation." Joost Klein's passion and project for Eurovision started in 2005 when he told his parents with whom he was watching it yearly that one day he would participate in it as an artist. His parents died in 2009 and 2010. In 2024 he succeeded in his childhood dream. Fulfilled the promise to his parents. Eurovision became his work and he will forever be immortalized by achieving his participation after working on this song for a full year and being chosen from 600 entries.
You said people who voted to this should just resign…… it’s okay to not like the song. But you are wrong for judging people for liking it… especially when you call something a joke when you really really do not get the song. He is saying how he stays happy while feeling alone on the inside, he is burning that past at the end, not Europe. He is burning the sorrow. And this is a very Dutch music style, so that is not a joke. Google thunderdome, id&t, dj Paul elstak. And Joost does this for years music so saying doing it for a easy score…. You are just so wrong
Especially from an artistic perspective this song and creator has so much to offer. I get you don't see it right away. But do you really wanna say the 1000th cliché, cry along, popsong would be more 'original' than this? As a musician and creator of totally different music myself I do totally see the purpose and importance of these art forms. Instead of conforming to all the standards we see all day long now, it actually fuses multiple musical disciplines together. Creating something really unique and unexpecting. While retaining singability to some form with an extremely catchy hook. That in itself is something very hard and is the reason english spoken songs are becoming the default for a lot of countries. Not because it gives the most artistic value to a song. No, just to make it score better... have a higher chance to win. To me real art originates when combining styles and mixing stuff together. Which is something we totally lost in the music industry space, where any song that sells get's the most attention. Doing something like this is giving a finger to that mainstream mentality. Where anything is only good if it resonates with stuff you have already heard all day long. Not even mentioning the message layers inside the lyrics and even some politically motivated messages thrown in, here and there. Which made my head explode when realizing how much of a message this creation actually has. And next to this all, this music is actually way harder to produce than your average radio edm track. Making eurodance/happy hardcore work is a real art on itself. You may not like it, I never listen to it either. But context is key when evaluating an artistic product from a specific culture. When I see this song as the form of art it really is, I respect this music so much more than the spotify top 40 playlists you get fed through your throat all day long, everywhere you go...
I agree with you. Still talking of art - that basically is here to create some reaction, something, not everything is also an art, even it feels it should be. Idk where this song goes with the art value, but I dont buy it. Its easy as that however hard it is to produce. You just like it or not. Doesnt matter if its some 1000x repeated formula or something new.
@@JanBors I understand and agree that you may not like it. You don't have to! Don't get me wrong ;) To me it just really has the fling most everyday popsongs miss. That doesn't mean I listen to this music everyday or would normally listen to this eurodance music. Knowing Joost outside of the eurovision hype and how he creates things, be it video's or music, has something unique and brings so much character. Not fake at all. Check his interviews and you will see how the guy isn't playing something he wants to be. He just is. And I think you can hear that in his music. Or me at least ;) Ofcourse that is a taste thing. And I get that following a musical/artistic formula doesn't make something bad right away. It often is quite the opposite, formula gives a lot of charm to a song. On the other hand it also always have been the weird things, the new things, the less liked or understood things, that historically have always pushed art, be it music or anything else, forwards. Pushed it into new directions. My instinct puts Joost right up there. Especially since he goes off from traditions or commercial formula's. I don't think you could say that is something you either 'buy' or you don't. He objectively went 'offline' from the typical eurovision or commercial formula. And he did that by himself, not as a form of an organized national atempt to win the eurovision or something. He made the song, then submitted it himself. Not the other way around. And sure production wise it isn't the most complex thing. But I think that fact is exactly the factor that gives it the charm it has. And there are tons of pop songs that production wise may be in another league. Musically and in terms of songwriting there just is so much crap out there. And I think Europapa shows some very strong musical and lyrical writing skills. Combined with such outspoken choices. You just feel that choices have been made. It isn't an allround 'let's please everybody' kind of track. Which to me is awesome on itself. Maybe it is because of the language gap, who knows... I can't imagine how a dutch song would sound to someone who doesn't understand a single dutch word. I think Joost might have juuuuust found the right balance in terms of musical value, cultural value, meaning, catchyness and character, to pull it off. Who knows...
What strikes me is the production value of this video... its a hugely professional and smart video... some very big advertisement company or even production company must have been behind the making of this video... I'm a little surprised you couldn't tell that. You don't have to like it to recognize the quality of it and how it will appeal to the masses.
Ik snap je commentaar, maar ben het er niet helemaal mee eens. Enerzijds wil ik ook graag dat het songfestival haar recent opgebouwde goede reputatie beschermt. Dat artiesten als Hooverphonic, Anouk en Little Big, die in eigen land al een hele carrière hadden, recent mee hebben willen doen, zoiets was 20 jaar geleden ondenkbaar. Dit seizoen, met haar vele onzin-inzendingen, valt ook mij dus wel wat tegen (vind het nog steeds jammer dat Spanje St. Pedro niet gestuurd heeft!). Anderzijds vind ik het supergaaf dat Nederland voor het eerst sinds lange tijd weer een echt stukje Nederlandse volkscultuur instuurt. En tja, dat is nu eenmaal geen fado of flamengo… Nederland stuurt daarnaast normaal ook altijd iets braafs, wat soms ook wel echt mooi is hoor, maar wat in de eerste plaats in de smaak valt bij de culturele elite van de grachtengordel, en niet iets is waar de gemiddelde Nederlander naar luistert. Ik vind het supergaaf dat de omroep dat patroon heeft durven doorbreken door Joost Klein af te vaardigen, en ben heel blij met Joost. Met de geinige taalvondsten in zijn teksten. En met zijn videoclip, die vol culturele verwijzingen zit die volgens mij alleen door Nederlanders begrepen worden. Maar de timing - een jaar met meerdere jolig overkomende liedjes uit andere landen - had beslist beter gekund.
thx for such a comment! It is very meaningful. Its a nice POV. I am looking at Eurovision differently. So wider picture, what can influence what as I know all the arguments from the other side.
@@JanBorsGraag gedaan! Na jouw video over Joost Klein van een paar maanden terug keek ik echt uit naar jouw reactie op het uiteindelijke nummer. Ik was dus best een beetje teleurgesteld toen bleek dat je het niet leuk vond, en vond dat ik je wat uit te leggen had. Blij dat je het verhelderend vond. Ik blijf je video’s met interesse volgen!
@@Sahi_PK europapa kan je muziekstyle zijn of totaal niet. Maar een "Joke entry" is het zeker niet. Het is zelfs typisch Nederlandse muziek, mensen noemen het een grap omdat ze de boodschap niet meekrijgen of niet houden van deze style muziek. Maarja anderen houden weer niet van andere muziek stylen.
You havent got thevtrue message. Joost lost his parents at 12 year old. His father said to him to explore Europ without borders. Great addited this song
"No rule" is my least favourite song this year. I don't really appreciate joke songs. However, I like Europapa a lot! For me it's not a joke song at all. Jolly yes, but also surprisingly melancholic sonically (I feel a sad musical undertone). The song touches me emotionally, something I don't experience when listening to "more serious" and Eurovision-y songs like The Code, Dizzy or Liar. I also think getting rid of juries in semifinals is good. Better having more crazy songs then having to deal with behind-the-scene funky jury business. It's not a tragedy for Eurovision, good quality songs can still get plenty of love from the juries in the final. Nevertheless, I always appreciate your honest reactions!!! Keep up the great job!
I like this enthusiasm as I heard it also from some professionals. But I cannot agree with it as its like a chain reaction. If is about a clash between countries, they will all try to win. Instead everyone aims to get troughout semifinals. And the goal is clear, to get trough. That means to please voters. Voters instinctively prefer fun. Also people are drinking during the show etc. the fun is a huge thing. I agree. But mostly its done like dustin a turkey, trash. Why artists with a credit would go there than? It was very very hard to get this credit back, but its very easy to loose - as you know how it works - "everyone was right about a trash contest and political tones" and we already have both.
@@JanBors "Instead everyone aims to get troughout semifinals. And the goal is clear, to get trough. That means to please voters." If this was the case, we would only get fun songs pleasing vulgar taste of masses. This is not the case (this year so far we only have Finland and Estonia, arguably the Netherlands). There are clearly many countries wanting to do well at Eurovision and even win it with high standards (Italy, Portugal, Greece, Ukraine, France, Latvia, even my country Slovenia). "If is about a clash between countries, they will all try to win." Isn't this the whole point of the competition? Surely, you compete to win, not just to show your talents to the world and finish at the bottom (and to win you definitely need the jury support). No, Eurovision is not becoming a trash contest, it's just getting more fresh and contemporary hahaha. Unfortunately I don't understand what you mean by "political tones".
Very hard to blame finland or estonia, as it was a selection where in both public decided. Which can backfire already for their next year song search. In Netherlands is alarming as it is clearly an internal choice. Wheter for sure not to blame artist, its his style, just even put into those eurovision patos, so its extreme. Whag I want to say, that more and more those songs will challenge and beat quality in semifinals, where are looser can decide... oki. But we need to qualify. So its clear. The trend is clear. To get the votes. This will just get worse. Remember, this is just 2nd year of juries are absent in semifinal. And we saw also last year, that juries vote almost the opossite of public as such a huge disbalance it creates.
Sir, I think you don't understand this song at all! This song has many layers. This is really a masterpiece! But anyways you have the right to say your opinion.
In my opinion, people want diversity. That's why Cha Cha Cha worked so well and to me it should have won, because it did everything right. But here's the thing: Sometimes artists and countries don't get what they are supposed to do, they get the wrong message. What do I mean: ChaChaCha was fun, yes, but it was more than that. I think what drew many people to that entry is the mix of styles, it's a new way of doing music and very much appreciated, because it's fresh. That's why many fans like popera in ESC, that's why Go_A was so successful, that's why bands like Nightwish are popular even outside the metal bubble, because people like quality mixes of styles. To just look at the "fun" of songs and call it a joke is missing the point, in my book. I think so far the only joke entry we got this year is Finland, the song and performance is very stupid, very Gunther style, it's made to make people laugh and light up the mood. But that's it. Croatia is very similar to Cha Cha Cha, in a sense of being fun and games but still conveying a message. Estonia has the Eurovision formula of mixing traditional (in the form of the talharpa) with current, and the message and vibe gives me ChaChaCha. Ireland is truly a Frankenstein of styles but that's the musical style of the artist, very experimental. Norway also brings a mix of traditional and other styles, rock in this case. San Marino is bringing rock mixed with flamenco. Ukraine is bringing rap mixed with a gospel choir vibe with traditional Ukrainian undertones. Switzerland is mixing rap with drum and bass and opera. And The Netherlands are bringing gabber with a bittersweet message about making the artist's parents proud. So I disagree with you in the "imminent disaster" vibe, that the contest is losing itself, that people are doing crazy stuff for the sake of doing crazy stuff just to appeal to masses. Yes, there are these entries, but they have always been there. And while I agree the 90s were the peak of quality at ESC and the 2000s were the worst decade, I would argue the 2000s were also the most fun decade ever. New countries entering, new countries winning each year, culture being showcased in a way it had never been showcased before... We got soooo many Ethnopops, Ethnobalads, Ethno everything... And also joke entries, yes. Sometimes a Verka Serduchka, sometimes a Dusty The Turkey. But demonizing it is the same as hating ballads because they are ballads. In my eyes, the contest is just being more open to other styles of music and experimentation. 10 years ago there was no way countries would be willingly sending rap songs (look at what the jury did to Igranka) or rock songs, it was mainly pop and some other styles scattered here and there. Now look at how many rap and rock songs we got just in this beginning of the decade. I very much prefer this diversity of styles, even within a song, it creates a different experience, and I do watch Eurovision for different experiences, if I wanted standard safe songs I would follow the American Music Awards or something. Anyway, in summary, I don't think removing the juries in semis was the worst idea ever. Let's not forget that Blackbird by Finland, who everybody thought was jurybaity, didn't get a place in the finals because of said jury, but they would have by the televote. Also, Voila, Amar pelos dois, Color of your life and many other were very appreciated by the public. So don't underestimate the public's quality view. Yes, sometimes joky entries and flashy images really catch the eye, but that's not what is only about, the best example would be all the explosive songs in 2017, and Portugal won the jury AND the televote with an intimate ballad. The public knows how to vote and it's much more respectful of diversity than juries are, just look at the patterns over the years. I think keeping juries in the final are a good thing, but removing them from semifinals make the competition more interesting. I truly believe in the public perception to make the final cut, and being more current is what the public wants. It's not about being jokery and stupid, it's about mixing stuff and being fun. There's a place for fun at ESC.
Hi Paulo, first of all, let me thank you a lot for such an amazing commentary! You really put a lot of effort into your argumentation, which is very logical and right. I dont want to fight it at all as I just want to give you a different logic. That comes from the fact I am working in the industry, also worked at Eurovision and I exactly know artists questions, producers questions, their perception from both - music industry and especially television. This world is not that creative as it seems and you can see at Eurovision, that is trend copying - doesnt matter if its 1000 iterration of fuego or it will be Kaarjia wanna be. That mostly comes with the fact that not all producers, or their bosses are anyhow visionaries. They just want to succeed. And they will see, that all the lowclass music will pass, which as you describe is not Kaarija, but I would say this song from Joost is exactly playing this card - people with beer in their hands will send the vote. This is not an issue, as Joost is huge, respected artist - what will happen is a chain reaction for upcoming years. And here we come with my perspective - I did not react on Joost like this, cuz I dislike him, I dont care, I criticized because I can see what he can inspire. And next years instead of 3-4 joke acts, we can have 8... as producers in others TV's just say, this is the way! They would never read your analysis, they dont care about music, only what can make them go trough semifinals. And thats copying the success. As it is hard to copy songs like Tattoo, its very easy to try to mimic a joke. And thats where Eurovision goes, especially without having jury in semifinals - now it clear who producers needs to attract. And in finals, there will be once again a huge gap between the voting. Also this for future might be a chance for BIG 5 countries, as they know, they dont need to try please anyone.
@@JanBorsI see your point... I still think it might work on the long-run, because as some comment said, eventually the novelty will die and the songs will even it out. Just like 2017, when everyone was trying to copy Sweden flashy shows, because they where being very successful, what won was the opposite. And then we saw more countries bringing their languages, we saw more styles being showcased... And Toy won that year, so it's not like the flashy stuff was gone (Salvador's face delivering the trophy was priceless HAHAHAHAH). However, Arcade won the year after. So I am optimistic about it, I think it's a moment thing of everybody trying to copy the success of Cha Cha Cha (just like everybody tried to copy the success of Fuego in 2019), and then things will be changing. Of course time will tell, I have my experience working in TV and you have yours (that I respect so much, because you work in the European field, with delegations before, you know what you talk about, that's why I watch your content hahahah), so I don't discard your predictions. I just think that that's not what's gonna happen. Either way, I will be here hearing your commentary on it. And leaving thoughtful comments, because I know you like to read those hahahahah
Eurovision is about getting to know other countries. This music style is invented in the Netherlands, is dutch culture. Its called happy hardcore or gabber. Look it up 😀 If you dont like different styles from different countries, why would you watch eurovision?
We will see I guess if the voters go crazy for all the joke songs and sexy girl dance break numbers, or if they will cancel each other out and let the serious entries score points.
Its a piece of art if you understand the meaning and the story. Eurovision is about different cultures, this is a culture from the 90's in the Netherlands. If you cant understand cultures in Eurovision and you are an producer you are doing something wrong. Please learn more about the song and about the story. Because you are missing the point.
I get what you’re saying, I don’t like it either. However I believe all the supposedly fun entries are a byproduct of the Käärijä effect, not the elimination of the juries in the semifinals. There were years when the contest felt like a snooze fest due to the overwhelming amount of ballads. It will naturally even itself out hopefully in the future.
but kaarija was not just a fun, it was quality. Imo it is more Let3 effect, but neither of them. It is just a reflection, that where is no balance, quality control, there comes a .... imagine you dont have a rules in sociaty, what will happen? or in football... so this is now happening to Eurovision. Completely irresponsible decision towards the bigger platform.
My Dear Jan!! You know Im a fan of you at your ESC video presentations. I loved seeing your energy when watching earlier Joost Klein material. Thats why I got sad seeing you so down in your reaction on his vid. I hope maybe this will cheer you up a bitt ? : - th-cam.com/video/CxxePY5hRWU/w-d-xo.html with Hugs from the NLD's
I think you dont get the message of the song. Its about the open borders in Europa (and his dad has learned him a world without borders because he worked with refugees. They end of burning the house down was focussing on the fact that he loses his parents and closing a chapter now. The music style was popular in the 90s. is happy hardcore and also topical for the style of Joost his own music.
Finally something else at the euro song. I'm done with the all over-dramatic songs, it's all about pain, lost and love. Fuck it! Finally a awesome happy dance song with even a real story in it and yes a little bit of drama at the end, but at least the whole song isn't about dramatic menstruation pain.
You didn’t get it. Read what the song is about. It’s a personal message about his life and the dead of both of his parents and the message his father gave to him before he died.
why it is so hard to understand, that its musicality is what is it and that would not change even if the message of it is deep and nice, the music is just...
I completely understand why you put this in the same pot as Finland and I agree that for casual viewers they are absolutely in the same category (speaking as someone who likes this and really dislikes Finland) but I actually don't see the issue you have about "making a joke out of Eurovision" However this sort of 90s/00s Nostalgia and silly vibes ARE what popular music sounds like right now, it's the newest wave of nostalgia after the 80s trend and to me it's a good thing if Eurovision reflects that. I stopped caring so much what the general public thinks of Eurovision a long time ago. As a fan it hurts to see the contest reduced to "a silly joke", absolutely, but people will keep saying that anyway because they watch Eurovision as a casual thing. It's an entertainment TV event at heart after all, not some gala. This years edition is going to be a big party and I think that has it's right to be that. Eurovision has changed so much so many times, this years trend aren't gonna destroy it. Also Joost has struck me as such a sincere fan of Eurovision and the way he has been promoting not just his song but the entire contest in his home country is lovely to see. (Sorry for the essay this really wanted out 💀)
I am looking at it from absolutely different perspective. As a producer who work his ass of to find people who would like to compete for Czechia and first year that was a nightmare. The memory of years 2000s was still in late 2015 so clear, that another 5 years I did max to change it. It was rly not easy, as such songs pop out and eventually wins, creates a bad reputation and put a bad shade on Eurovision. I understand there is big demand for fun, but we must also see how Eurovision rose after juries in semifinals were applied, how in 10 years the credit rose, quality of music rose, better artists, and also viewership rose. Took 10 years to get there, still you can see the ghost of 2000s going around and in some countries to change perception is just ultra hard even now. And it will get worse again. More producers will see this is a formula that works, and they will not think - it worked only in JOOST case. They will try to replicate, like they do with Fuego etc... so maybe thats understandable. I just cannot say this all the time before every reaction.
I understand your perspective is a very different one but I also really believe there's better ways to articulate your distaste for something than to call anyone or anything trash. ESC is just a TV Show at the end of the day.
@@dachzi3gel we can say about anything its just a thing... but thats separate professional stuff to hobby stuff. So no, Eurovision is not just a tv show
This was not making fun of eurovision he is just having fun it is so dumb to asume that he is making fun of eurovision. This song already has 5.3 milion views and is the most populair song on eurovion this year
its more like - eurovision also because of this song starts to becoming a joke again. People vote Trump, people like silly comedies without any art in it... views is not the only criteria for quality
@@JanBors There is art in this though, combining the message of a united Europe with a story about his dad. It might not be your cup of tea musically, but Eurovision is more than a music talent show. Also no idea how you managed to reply "people vote trump" in this comment section. Maybe you just need to lighten up a bit 😄
@@JanBors why is eurovision not suposed to be fun? And DON'T say tradition. Europe is a silly and fun continent with lots if differences. we don't need every year to become a depressed fest.
@@JanBors Well, you're complaining that "People vote Trump, people like silly comedies without any art in it.". First of all I have no idea what Trump has to with any of this. Second of all you claim to appreciate "art", but then in another comment you're like "eurovision is not a message contest, song fistly for me is a melody". Art is literally all about sending messages, what you're looking for is formulaic produced mass appeal content for hypocrites.
Joost doesn't do a smoker voice like the finnish guy does, also we don't know how Joost will do the staging, it will probably be awesome using his own concerts as source. @@JanBors
Really liked this song, and loved its incorporation of hardstyle at the end which is very Dutch yet very international (hardstyle is huge amongst Australian youth and young adults too which is where I’m from). As I was watching it, I thought to myself that I you’d probably dislike the song very much 🤣 but I do personally like this new innovative, experimental, fun direction in music that artists seem to be trying to share. Perhaps this year they may be too many of them, I don’t want the reputation of Eurovision to be trashed too much, but i wonder if this is the new direction Eurovision will take again - Juries losing power and televote becoming too much of a priority.
as you say, televote is getting more power, so platform looses quality control and from almost getting to level of champions league, we will slide back to sunday league of 2000s...
Nah, he isn't making fun of Eurovision. Europapa is a tribute to the Dutch influence and heritage in the music industry, while also having a message to thank his parents (mainly his father, hence the title) for teaching him about creating his own world. One of his lifelong goals is to be on that Eurovision stage, so it's far from 'making fun of Eurovision'. But I'm glad you spoke out about his authenticity because that's absolutely true, it's not just your cup of tea.
@@JanBors Ofcourse! I really like all the different reactions on this song, both the positive and negative. Joost said himself: “The song is now in a gallery for the world to see, you’ve already paid for your ticket so do with my art what you like.” And I think that’s the right mindset for any artist!
Based on this reaction, now i understand how "professional jury" voting in ESC (taking into account that you was part of international jury).... mindblowing how jury are sooo unprofessional in judging by cover... for such people there is subtitles.... guys, we really need petition to remove JURY from contest.
idk what to say, jury is here to preverse quality and maintain balance, to judge the song quality, they firstly lie in the melody. If we judge based on lyrics, we do poem competition probably. And ofc - lets se live on stage, that can change a lot :)
We are coming after the period that many broadcasters (at least those who selected internally) deliberately selected songs that speak more to the juries than televoters. These song had a notion that it is better to be indistinguishable, safe, and (at least in mind of people who selected them) as radio-friendly. This mad a contest during 2015-2019 extremely boring in some way. When I think about songs like Timebelle - "Apollo" (Switzerland 2017), OG3NE - Lights And Shadows (The Netherlands, 2017), Anja Nissen (Denmark 2017), Cesar Sampson (Austria 2018). All the efforts of Symphonix. I have impression that after pandemic people got more open to different angles how to approach a song in Eurovision. Radio-friendliness is kind of dead and social media took over its role. Personally, I don't want Eurovision to appeal to normal people who listen to music only in shopping mall, changing rooms in H&M or when a bus driver plays some local radio. I want Eurovision to be that place and platform that is the most radical within mainstream and tv entertainment. I want Eurovision to push barriers rather than being a platform to produce radio hits.
eurovision always produced radio hits, some of them locally, some of them even worldwide. Idk this is the case for the world, maybe a region. Thats fine. Btw contest from 2015-2019 were the most watched by people, most popular, and more than average songs. That culminated until last year, and this year when the juries for the second time in a row are not present in semis, we already see a downfall of quality. What it will be next year?
@@JanBors The dwonfall of quality is a subjective thing. I think that post-pandemic Eurovision got much better because many artist realised how great opportunity for an exposure Eurovision/NFs can be. By saying radio-friendly songs, I do not mean songs that actually end up being hits in the airplay but an INTENTION that many broadcaster had at this point to appeal juries and to have easy qualification to the final. Think of all Symphonix attempts made by ex-YU countries. These internally selected songs like Serbian or Macedonian had not content, no story to tell - just a fine production. People did not get lured.
@@maciejsychowiec139 I dont talk about post-pandemic, 2021-2022, were amazing, 2023 a little contrastful and this continues now and will be worse with this rule. Maybe it might seem more attractive. But I give you producers perspective - the only thing what is rly important is to get to finals. If you wont be able to find a perfect song, you will come with a joke. And more and more this will happen, worse Eurovision will become. And I can see its already happening. One rule change.
@@JanBors So it applies to the my point. Some broadcasters in past were buying mid-songs from producers specializing in Eurovision (Symphonix, G:Son, Wrethov, Debs, Dimitrov etc.) just to boost their chances for qualification. Same logic, different strategy. The other question is when a comedic elements becomes a joke. Joke of what? Why meaningless pop songs are not considered as jokes and lack of respect to viewers by being without any story behind it (e.g. most of recent Cypriot entries).
but thats a different, if you are having a "blunt" song copy, thats just meh, but when you create joke, of you create a parody, and that looks is a trend, we have a problem, as no one care about average songs, but everyone will pinpoint a parody. Idk why it is so hard to see the difference. Its like most of stupid comedies will get amazing revenues but never get a price. Once such comedy wins the oscars, oscars are stop being a serious show. ... its a very delicate balance. Which is broken.
But thats great! Joost is a big star, so its also not s surprise. And I am not salty on him. If you watch the whole video, I am describing, where this can lead for the whole future of the contest. As this reaction is contextual. But does not matter. Same as I dont rly care about the message in the song cuz first I dont like it, you dont need to understand this :) Its not rly saltiness, bud sadness
@@JanBors its far from a joke. Its quite deep actually. Its happy, dancy but sad at the end, he is a sad “clown”, deep inside devastated. Its about his dead father . Also his reference in the song to Stromae ,papaoutai
These sounds are almost painful for me! 😂 Computer voice, no vocal quality, children’s song melody and a very strange „message“that is hyped almost everywhere. And if you don’t like it, you are too old, stupid, you just don’t „get it“, right? This to me is the opposite of quality. Thank you for showing that I am not alone. Needed your reacttion
How coold you say croatia has quality and meaning and this doesnt. Its a song for his dad, i think you need to understand the lyrics to understand the meaning behind the song better.
you can view the song with translation, this song is not by any means funny, it is a letter to his late dad, so maybe some more investigation would be wise if you are going to categorize it as only funny, such a pity..
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Love ❤this song. I am 73. Its getting better every day. 12 points for The Netherlands. ❤
Im 53 and go to lots of different concerts and festivals. Joost Klein may be not be making my kind of "genre" in music, but I can recognise quality and this is truly an artist. I feel sorry for you that you dont get it. Just wait for the live show.
I get he is an artist, I also listen to his discography long time before he released the song. I dont like this one at all. Thats just it and I believe that live show will be fun.
It is a tribute to his papa and to Eurovision and the European feeling as a local belonging. He is taking Eurovision very seriously. Of course taste is personal but I love it in all its diversity in message, combining styles and showing some unique Dutch features
I'm 51, but I feel 20 years younger than you
but thats amazing, that you feel 17 now! envy you a bit :)
I'm a Dutch woman of 58 and I'm so proud of Joost! He has made a masterpiece! I enjoy this track so much and it's on repeat here!
@@Diana2Chi glad for you :)
😂 51 too. JOOST is from my hometown. 🎉 Unicorn Joost 9 yrs ago. We love him, so proud , CITY BROTHER
Best decision the Netherlands ever made to send this song. It's brilliant on many levels and would dare to claim it is one of the most qualitative tracks out there. Pitty you can't enjoy it for what it is.
It's not making fun of eurovision at all. But hey, to everyone their own, we can't all enjoy the same.
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Pity you didn’t get the point
no worries, I get it... i just did not get the music / melody however you call it, which is for me more important than a message... especially at eurovision
For me it’s totally about the emotions combinated by sound, words and images. That’s the show. ESC is not only about melodies for me. This song is about a kind of closure after a long, hard struggle in which he searched for help (lots of time in vain). He expresses the journey.
@JanBors you say it is about the melody... but in your video you are stating you think he is making fun of Eurovision? Does that not mean you care about the contents?
Did you listen to it with the subtitles as well?
@@Jilkab nope, I did not - eurovision is not a message contest, song fistly for me is a melody, its just ... come on, I am 90s kid and I was feeling ashamed of such music back than. Now it feels like a bad joke.
It’s sad you judge people that will vote on this.
Great song.
Its a winner.12 points❤
I'm kinda shocked reading some comments under this video. To be honest, this song definitely made my life a bit better even on the 1st listening as well as on another one. I'm almost 100% sure this would be my #1 this year after all songs are released. I also strongly disagree on Jan's take about joke entries - this is in my opinion top quality product, this reflects a huge layer of what many people are actually listening to. This is how music industry works nowdays (sometimes, some places). Still, the thing I'd like to ask other people: what offends you so much when you hear an opinion that differs so much from yours? What is this ageist nonsense about? Do you realise that some let's say 80 years old people also watch Eurovision and their musical taste also deserves to exist? Bruh, what a shame
but everyone can listen what they want, I am just reacting and giving my hones opinion on that, which is very consistent over years. So it should also be no surprise. So I am glad you enjoy this. As I said, this will people vote for.
I love it, it makes you feel happy, and also a sad because it is also a beautiful closure to your parents and the pain. And also a new begin for his life.
Eurovision is the definition of not taking things seriously and just having fun
For me it was on the good road to be a champions league, a serious contest, where fan also means quality, where the best of the best songs goes. But its becoming a pub/bar fan for a saturday night. Few decisions and here we go.
I find it funny, eurovision was never about quality, its always been about funny acts, burning pianos, naked men, aliens in tin foil and swinging 4 meter long dresses with dancers coming out of it. The great thing about this is that gatekeeping is unnecesary, since you dont have to take eurovision seriously. It makes for beautifull art, and im here for all of that.
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I like this videoclip by Joost, but you're wrong about ESC. You're probably too young to know and have lived by ESC's earlier years. The trend you describe is applicable to the more recent decades of ESC.
You obviously don't understand the deeper meaning of this song. He is not burning Eurovision, he is burning his past and is moving on...His father died when he was 13 and a year later his mother pased away a year later. He always used to watch Eurovision with his parents (good memories) and would say to them one day I'll be there...
I got the message, but Eurovision is not a message contest, its music first and I crave for melody. This is just what I said. It is popular, ok, but that does not rly mean quality. I am glad he is doing music he loves, he is an amazing performer but this simply is a joke in his style. Not blaming him, he does in what he is good at. But it will also influence others next year and they will bring even worse, just thinking this is it. I look at it rly from absolutely different perspective.
@@JanBorsit is not a music nor an artist contest. It is a SONG contest. Happy tunes but sad lyrics throughout. It is a masterpiece and not an anti Eurovision song. On the contrary he is a huge fan.
Nothing funny about the song just happy hardcore and heartfelt deep texts.
its a performance contest, which comes with a song. If you cannot sing, good song cannot help you succeed.
@@JanBorsits called the Eurovision SONG contest not ""eurovision perfomance contest". its all about the original song and not the performance at the end of the day. but thats where our opinion might differ and thats oke.
@@JanBors You lost me on: "Eurovision is not a message contest". Are you really an producer?
This is not making fun of eurovision, its typical dutch music style. The fact you dont like it doesnt mean it is making fun of eurovision...
but it does, just not from the dutch perspective
Listen, Joost made a point of using a music style that was invented in the Netherlands, namely gabber,/happy hardcore. The music wascreated by one of the most famous DJs Paul Elstak. It is also a song with a message (borders are created by people). You not getting it and being hung on something your country did wrong does NOT make it bad.
@@JanBorsAh no, it is not. You see, the biggest export product of the Netherlands is not flowers, it's electronic music. Tiësto, Garrix, Armin van Buuren, Afrojack, Hardwell and let's not forget the musical mastermind composer Tom Holkenberg (DJ Junkie XL).
@@JanBorshow? By not being your taste?
@JanBors NO IT'S NOT! It was for sure the opposite of what you think. He and his parents always loved watching Eurovision together, he promised his dad to represent the Netherlands in the Eurovision. To make his parents happy and proud, I'm pretty sure he still hopes to give them these feelings, even though they are in heaven. Show a little respect to his effort. I think he made a genius track. Too bad you absolutely got the wrong idea
So True!! I agree👍
Fuck yeah, old school ‘90 vibes with dutch hard style! Netherlands for the win 🏆 🔥
yep, 90s are back in full power.
@@JanBorshappy hardcore never left
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Greetings from The Netherlands. Thank you for your honest reaction. ❤ I don't agree with you (it's very Dutch and I love it) but I appreciate your honest opinion. We Dutch are often called rude, but that's not the case. We are honest in our opinion. You are too. You are not rude, you give a real reaction. Thank you and love from a Dutchie! 🎉 I hope your country will have succes in this year's ESC.
thx for such a reaction! ❤️🙏
YEZ! THX 4 this! From The Netherlands!
I don’t understand your negativity, I watch Eurovision for a long time and to me this “trend” doesn’t seem like a such an issue. I would also say that these songs have so much more to do with current trends in music, club culture, especially these 90’ sounds. And I would definitely not say these entries are just a joke or that they lack quality.
I will rather have more song like this one or Estonias, than overhyped keiino, their entry was much more a “joke” to me.
But yep I see Eurovision as a fun tv show, for me it needs to be amusing and I will rather have 4 similar songs to this one than 4 songs like that Azerbaijani song that qualified with 0 televote.
And that’s the main issue, viewers are split and I don’t think that there is any easy solution
but I dont get where you come up with Keiino, for me this is almost the same category, even I still would accept more them...
1 point😢
Just one sentence in this song:
'I lost everything, except time. I'm traveling every day cause the world is mine'....
Meaning: I lost everything what's important to me (his parents) the only thing that remains is the time he needs to fill up. He's running, searching, trying to find something. Every day over and over and again in a world where he feels lonely. All sung and performed in a 'happy hardcore' style. As a contrast, as a mask.
I leave the rest for you to discover.
Don't judge a book by its cover.
Read it.
I would like to, but music is not a book.
Eurovision is intended to celebrate , all countries together as one, different music entries emphasize that even though everyone is different, we come together through music and with freedom to like it or not
thats what we should respect, anything goes to eurovision. Only thing is in my perspective, which I have since forever, that I would like a eurovision as a prestige platform and not a place of joke. This limit has everyone elswhere and thats also ok. For me Joost is actually ok, more importantly is, what does such entries predict for the future of the context in upcoming years. Thx for your coment :)
@@JanBors
Hello, I understand your point of view, the only thing I see differently is that this is not a joke. What Joost does, he brings lightness and humor to my mind. With his personal meaning behind the song, it gives a completely different light to the song. . If every song were serious then it might be boring... besides, the world has so much sadness and difficult times right now, despite that, Eurovision brings many people together. have very nice day
@@JanBorsnot a joke, the Dutch party to this, not as a joke
My appreciation for it wasn't immediate either. However, once you go beyond the superficial hang-ups, the entry comes from a place of love. With a deeper meaning behind the lyrics as well. And the dutch have NEVER sent this homegrown style of music.
I look at it how a standard viewer but laso jurors. When they are going to see the contest, what they will say to community... it will be omg, such a trash. Responsibility towards the wider picture is gone.
I think your reaction is valid as a template for the casual viewer in May, who likely won’t do an in depth investigation into lyrics and meaning beforehand either.
The juries, that’s another matter. I know many of them will dismiss this for the same reasons as you did, but getting to know the background of each song should be part of their work. If THEY don’t make the effort, then what sets them apart from regular viewers? Then they are just casual viewers with a jury name tag. This is the problem I have with how the juries function right now.
This is not only music, but real art ! It makes me happy, gives me energy and makes me sad at the same time. How is that even possible? Respect.
than thats good for you ❤️
Well said! ❤️From Holland
I completely agree with you.
Joost his parents both died when he was at a age of around 12. His father died from cancer, and Joost says that this song is a letter to his father since his father told him when Joost was young that the borders of the world are made up by human, so you can make the world whatever you want what passed him an expansive view of the world
yes, this is a very sad story and its amazing, how big Joost became even with such a terrible things in his life
C’est une chanson brillante et nous avons besoin de cela en Europe ! Nous sommes tous unis et cela sera 12 points de la France 💙🤍❤️
good
I agree with every word you say.😊
I instantly loved this song
It is 100% Dutch and it smells so beautifuly European as well.. All the fun, love, respect...he made me proud to be European... ... and when I found more about Joost it made me love it even more
And btw I was born and raised in your neighbour country Slovakia but I'm a proud norwegian now...
Good! Happy you are proud! ❤️🙏
Europe need a party , ❤❤❤
100% agree with you
12 points !
We (Belgium neighbours of the Netherlands) don't dare joke entries, but they do. It has grown on me, I speak dutch also and there is a sensitive message in the song but wrapped in crazyness hahaha 😄😄💥
I love it
I had same reaction... Only nice was messege on the end of video...
You, missed the point completely because you probably won't be able to understand what and why he has made this masterpiece. Turn subtitles on., and read what this song is about and why it is a true UVSC worthy song.
Joost lost his dad to cancer when he was a teenager +/- 13 years old, and his mother died from a heart attack a year later.
""Those who laugh the brightest most always have the heaviest loads they carry around, where ever they travel that backpack of experiences is always there, they can't escape from that, be as free a spirit as you can be, respect your elders, don't waste your time, an ode to his dad's credo""borders are stupid"", and Ubuntu(*)""
This sums up Europapa (papa is Dutch for Daddy) for me, it is true Art and a masterpiece by Joost (Joast) Klein (kline).
(*) Ubuntu (Xhosa(a South African tribe language) for "we are all as one"") is the most prolific, important, eye-opening, life-changing word I have learned in my 58 years of being an earthling.
Ubuntu to you, fellow earthling :)
Btw Klein means small in Dutch.
Joost Klein, dream big
But it's your prerogative to like and dislike whatever, as long as you understand what it means.
The hidden gems really did pass you by unnoticed, F,e: The homage to Dutch Dance, techno,EDM, and gabber music, his mention of Stromae and why, and so many more hidden gems. You have not really informed yourself well enough to make a just impression, try again knowing this little about it still for your own sake, please.
it is not about lyrics, its a music which just is locally popular, good, its ok, but also its a song (musically) which will be laughted at... you missed more likely my point...
Do you also know StuntKabouter?
Finally dance and gabber music at Eurovision
This is literally the best and most Dutch song sent by the NL from what I remember and I'm 56. But as always, there will be some who don't like it and don't get it.
I could see that it touched you at the end. The song has some big contrasts. It takes you up and slams you down.
it touched me in the message visually but musically it touched me wrong. Thats a prime thing.
saying this because ur too old to understand... hurts man.
I am old, so I remember the contest quality in 2000s, loosing all the credit and we are going back that way, faster than I thought.
@@JanBors I thought of putting on a Eurovision 2024 playlist in my car the other day and was shocked by the utter garbage this year (with a handful of exceptions). It was only 3 years ago (2021) when almost every song that made it to the final was either a bop, a banger or had a certain level of quality. The winner that year became a global sensation like ABBA and Celine Dion did. I had high hopes it would be a new page for Eurovision but look where we are now.
@@JanBors Smaken verschillen nu eenmaal. Maar ik zie in je reactie dat je binnen enkele seconden al je mening klaarhebt. En als je een reaction video hebt, dan moet je misschien wat meer moeite doen m.i. Je hebt een en ander gemist, duidelijk.
@@JanBorsremember the quality of the 80's? After ABBA there were a lot of meaningless awful songs for decades. Even winners as what's another year were vomit inducing, so sweet it gives instant diabetes.
Only Little Big stood out as quality.
And I am 55, just haven't shut my brain down for "new" quality productions.
@@tuinbuddy3385 dat dus
Top 5
might be :)
I hate Finland and Croatia.
But this is amazing. It’s so well-produced and in Dutch.
and yet is basically the same as finland, but glad you like it :)
Calm the f up about the hate man@@JanBors
great song for the netherlands, show them what we are
Well I’m old and have seen joke songs tru all my live in Eurovision, for me that’s also Eurovision. I like it, it has a lot of memories in it for me. 🎉
good :)
Hi guys, I would highly recommend to watch the whole video, before jumping to conclusions :)
Lol, I would highly recommend reading some background about the artist and the composition before jumping to a conclusion... You see, you say "Eurovision is my passion. Eurovision was my work and I am still gladly part of the professional community of this project. I started at Eurovision 2016 as Czech Head of Delegation." Joost Klein's passion and project for Eurovision started in 2005 when he told his parents with whom he was watching it yearly that one day he would participate in it as an artist. His parents died in 2009 and 2010. In 2024 he succeeded in his childhood dream. Fulfilled the promise to his parents. Eurovision became his work and he will forever be immortalized by achieving his participation after working on this song for a full year and being chosen from 600 entries.
You said people who voted to this should just resign…… it’s okay to not like the song. But you are wrong for judging people for liking it… especially when you call something a joke when you really really do not get the song.
He is saying how he stays happy while feeling alone on the inside, he is burning that past at the end, not Europe. He is burning the sorrow.
And this is a very Dutch music style, so that is not a joke. Google thunderdome, id&t, dj Paul elstak. And Joost does this for years music so saying doing it for a easy score….
You are just so wrong
I don’t like your video and I would not tell you to resign or that you are doing this subject just for cloud, which you probably are
@@manonius86 I was talking about people who voted juries out of semifinal, not the song
4:26 Hahahahah
Especially from an artistic perspective this song and creator has so much to offer. I get you don't see it right away.
But do you really wanna say the 1000th cliché, cry along, popsong would be more 'original' than this?
As a musician and creator of totally different music myself I do totally see the purpose and importance of these art forms.
Instead of conforming to all the standards we see all day long now, it actually fuses multiple musical disciplines together. Creating something really unique and unexpecting. While retaining singability to some form with an extremely catchy hook. That in itself is something very hard and is the reason english spoken songs are becoming the default for a lot of countries. Not because it gives the most artistic value to a song. No, just to make it score better... have a higher chance to win.
To me real art originates when combining styles and mixing stuff together. Which is something we totally lost in the music industry space, where any song that sells get's the most attention.
Doing something like this is giving a finger to that mainstream mentality. Where anything is only good if it resonates with stuff you have already heard all day long. Not even mentioning the message layers inside the lyrics and even some politically motivated messages thrown in, here and there. Which made my head explode when realizing how much of a message this creation actually has.
And next to this all, this music is actually way harder to produce than your average radio edm track. Making eurodance/happy hardcore work is a real art on itself. You may not like it, I never listen to it either. But context is key when evaluating an artistic product from a specific culture. When I see this song as the form of art it really is, I respect this music so much more than the spotify top 40 playlists you get fed through your throat all day long, everywhere you go...
I agree with you. Still talking of art - that basically is here to create some reaction, something, not everything is also an art, even it feels it should be. Idk where this song goes with the art value, but I dont buy it. Its easy as that however hard it is to produce. You just like it or not. Doesnt matter if its some 1000x repeated formula or something new.
@@JanBors I understand and agree that you may not like it. You don't have to! Don't get me wrong ;)
To me it just really has the fling most everyday popsongs miss. That doesn't mean I listen to this music everyday or would normally listen to this eurodance music. Knowing Joost outside of the eurovision hype and how he creates things, be it video's or music, has something unique and brings so much character. Not fake at all. Check his interviews and you will see how the guy isn't playing something he wants to be. He just is.
And I think you can hear that in his music. Or me at least ;) Ofcourse that is a taste thing. And I get that following a musical/artistic formula doesn't make something bad right away. It often is quite the opposite, formula gives a lot of charm to a song.
On the other hand it also always have been the weird things, the new things, the less liked or understood things, that historically have always pushed art, be it music or anything else, forwards. Pushed it into new directions. My instinct puts Joost right up there. Especially since he goes off from traditions or commercial formula's.
I don't think you could say that is something you either 'buy' or you don't. He objectively went 'offline' from the typical eurovision or commercial formula. And he did that by himself, not as a form of an organized national atempt to win the eurovision or something. He made the song, then submitted it himself. Not the other way around.
And sure production wise it isn't the most complex thing. But I think that fact is exactly the factor that gives it the charm it has. And there are tons of pop songs that production wise may be in another league. Musically and in terms of songwriting there just is so much crap out there. And I think Europapa shows some very strong musical and lyrical writing skills. Combined with such outspoken choices. You just feel that choices have been made. It isn't an allround 'let's please everybody' kind of track. Which to me is awesome on itself.
Maybe it is because of the language gap, who knows... I can't imagine how a dutch song would sound to someone who doesn't understand a single dutch word.
I think Joost might have juuuuust found the right balance in terms of musical value, cultural value, meaning, catchyness and character, to pull it off. Who knows...
What strikes me is the production value of this video... its a hugely professional and smart video... some very big advertisement company or even production company must have been behind the making of this video... I'm a little surprised you couldn't tell that.
You don't have to like it to recognize the quality of it and how it will appeal to the masses.
you are right, the video is visually rly amazing!
This reaction video is a very short-sighted view of music.
ok
Vergis je niet: dit lied gaat winnen. Hoewel het misschien niet je genre is (ook niet dat van mij) zit het geniaal in elkaar. De winnaar!
why not, whatever can win
Ik snap je commentaar, maar ben het er niet helemaal mee eens.
Enerzijds wil ik ook graag dat het songfestival haar recent opgebouwde goede reputatie beschermt. Dat artiesten als Hooverphonic, Anouk en Little Big, die in eigen land al een hele carrière hadden, recent mee hebben willen doen, zoiets was 20 jaar geleden ondenkbaar. Dit seizoen, met haar vele onzin-inzendingen, valt ook mij dus wel wat tegen (vind het nog steeds jammer dat Spanje St. Pedro niet gestuurd heeft!).
Anderzijds vind ik het supergaaf dat Nederland voor het eerst sinds lange tijd weer een echt stukje Nederlandse volkscultuur instuurt. En tja, dat is nu eenmaal geen fado of flamengo… Nederland stuurt daarnaast normaal ook altijd iets braafs, wat soms ook wel echt mooi is hoor, maar wat in de eerste plaats in de smaak valt bij de culturele elite van de grachtengordel, en niet iets is waar de gemiddelde Nederlander naar luistert. Ik vind het supergaaf dat de omroep dat patroon heeft durven doorbreken door Joost Klein af te vaardigen, en ben heel blij met Joost. Met de geinige taalvondsten in zijn teksten. En met zijn videoclip, die vol culturele verwijzingen zit die volgens mij alleen door Nederlanders begrepen worden.
Maar de timing - een jaar met meerdere jolig overkomende liedjes uit andere landen - had beslist beter gekund.
thx for such a comment! It is very meaningful. Its a nice POV. I am looking at Eurovision differently. So wider picture, what can influence what as I know all the arguments from the other side.
@@JanBorsGraag gedaan! Na jouw video over Joost Klein van een paar maanden terug keek ik echt uit naar jouw reactie op het uiteindelijke nummer. Ik was dus best een beetje teleurgesteld toen bleek dat je het niet leuk vond, en vond dat ik je wat uit te leggen had. Blij dat je het verhelderend vond. Ik blijf je video’s met interesse volgen!
@@Sahi_PK europapa kan je muziekstyle zijn of totaal niet. Maar een "Joke entry" is het zeker niet. Het is zelfs typisch Nederlandse muziek, mensen noemen het een grap omdat ze de boodschap niet meekrijgen of niet houden van deze style muziek. Maarja anderen houden weer niet van andere muziek stylen.
Proof that tv content producer & directors (quite a mouthful) shouldn't mess with popmusic.
thats contradicting as another ones has chosen this... everything has more POVs, thats just it :)
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From me definitely 12 points to the Netherlands
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You havent got thevtrue message. Joost lost his parents at 12 year old. His father said to him to explore Europ without borders. Great addited this song
This song is a tribute to Europe. Maybe you should watch it with English subs
melody comes always first
NQ big like a house😂
that would be a huge surprise
"No rule" is my least favourite song this year. I don't really appreciate joke songs. However, I like Europapa a lot! For me it's not a joke song at all. Jolly yes, but also surprisingly melancholic sonically (I feel a sad musical undertone). The song touches me emotionally, something I don't experience when listening to "more serious" and Eurovision-y songs like The Code, Dizzy or Liar. I also think getting rid of juries in semifinals is good. Better having more crazy songs then having to deal with behind-the-scene funky jury business. It's not a tragedy for Eurovision, good quality songs can still get plenty of love from the juries in the final. Nevertheless, I always appreciate your honest reactions!!! Keep up the great job!
I like this enthusiasm as I heard it also from some professionals. But I cannot agree with it as its like a chain reaction. If is about a clash between countries, they will all try to win. Instead everyone aims to get troughout semifinals. And the goal is clear, to get trough. That means to please voters. Voters instinctively prefer fun. Also people are drinking during the show etc. the fun is a huge thing. I agree. But mostly its done like dustin a turkey, trash. Why artists with a credit would go there than? It was very very hard to get this credit back, but its very easy to loose - as you know how it works - "everyone was right about a trash contest and political tones" and we already have both.
@@JanBors "Instead everyone aims to get troughout semifinals. And the goal is clear, to get trough. That means to please voters." If this was the case, we would only get fun songs pleasing vulgar taste of masses. This is not the case (this year so far we only have Finland and Estonia, arguably the Netherlands). There are clearly many countries wanting to do well at Eurovision and even win it with high standards (Italy, Portugal, Greece, Ukraine, France, Latvia, even my country Slovenia). "If is about a clash between countries, they will all try to win." Isn't this the whole point of the competition? Surely, you compete to win, not just to show your talents to the world and finish at the bottom (and to win you definitely need the jury support). No, Eurovision is not becoming a trash contest, it's just getting more fresh and contemporary hahaha. Unfortunately I don't understand what you mean by "political tones".
Very hard to blame finland or estonia, as it was a selection where in both public decided. Which can backfire already for their next year song search. In Netherlands is alarming as it is clearly an internal choice. Wheter for sure not to blame artist, its his style, just even put into those eurovision patos, so its extreme.
Whag I want to say, that more and more those songs will challenge and beat quality in semifinals, where are looser can decide... oki. But we need to qualify. So its clear. The trend is clear. To get the votes. This will just get worse. Remember, this is just 2nd year of juries are absent in semifinal. And we saw also last year, that juries vote almost the opossite of public as such a huge disbalance it creates.
I wonder who will get second place after this song.
this is very interesting question
12 points
Sir, I think you don't understand this song at all! This song has many layers. This is really a masterpiece! But anyways you have the right to say your opinion.
but its a trash musically, so layers rly are unimportant, anyway as you say, we dont need to agree on this
In my opinion, people want diversity. That's why Cha Cha Cha worked so well and to me it should have won, because it did everything right. But here's the thing: Sometimes artists and countries don't get what they are supposed to do, they get the wrong message. What do I mean: ChaChaCha was fun, yes, but it was more than that. I think what drew many people to that entry is the mix of styles, it's a new way of doing music and very much appreciated, because it's fresh. That's why many fans like popera in ESC, that's why Go_A was so successful, that's why bands like Nightwish are popular even outside the metal bubble, because people like quality mixes of styles.
To just look at the "fun" of songs and call it a joke is missing the point, in my book. I think so far the only joke entry we got this year is Finland, the song and performance is very stupid, very Gunther style, it's made to make people laugh and light up the mood. But that's it. Croatia is very similar to Cha Cha Cha, in a sense of being fun and games but still conveying a message. Estonia has the Eurovision formula of mixing traditional (in the form of the talharpa) with current, and the message and vibe gives me ChaChaCha. Ireland is truly a Frankenstein of styles but that's the musical style of the artist, very experimental. Norway also brings a mix of traditional and other styles, rock in this case. San Marino is bringing rock mixed with flamenco. Ukraine is bringing rap mixed with a gospel choir vibe with traditional Ukrainian undertones. Switzerland is mixing rap with drum and bass and opera. And The Netherlands are bringing gabber with a bittersweet message about making the artist's parents proud.
So I disagree with you in the "imminent disaster" vibe, that the contest is losing itself, that people are doing crazy stuff for the sake of doing crazy stuff just to appeal to masses. Yes, there are these entries, but they have always been there. And while I agree the 90s were the peak of quality at ESC and the 2000s were the worst decade, I would argue the 2000s were also the most fun decade ever. New countries entering, new countries winning each year, culture being showcased in a way it had never been showcased before... We got soooo many Ethnopops, Ethnobalads, Ethno everything... And also joke entries, yes. Sometimes a Verka Serduchka, sometimes a Dusty The Turkey. But demonizing it is the same as hating ballads because they are ballads.
In my eyes, the contest is just being more open to other styles of music and experimentation. 10 years ago there was no way countries would be willingly sending rap songs (look at what the jury did to Igranka) or rock songs, it was mainly pop and some other styles scattered here and there. Now look at how many rap and rock songs we got just in this beginning of the decade. I very much prefer this diversity of styles, even within a song, it creates a different experience, and I do watch Eurovision for different experiences, if I wanted standard safe songs I would follow the American Music Awards or something.
Anyway, in summary, I don't think removing the juries in semis was the worst idea ever. Let's not forget that Blackbird by Finland, who everybody thought was jurybaity, didn't get a place in the finals because of said jury, but they would have by the televote. Also, Voila, Amar pelos dois, Color of your life and many other were very appreciated by the public. So don't underestimate the public's quality view. Yes, sometimes joky entries and flashy images really catch the eye, but that's not what is only about, the best example would be all the explosive songs in 2017, and Portugal won the jury AND the televote with an intimate ballad. The public knows how to vote and it's much more respectful of diversity than juries are, just look at the patterns over the years. I think keeping juries in the final are a good thing, but removing them from semifinals make the competition more interesting. I truly believe in the public perception to make the final cut, and being more current is what the public wants. It's not about being jokery and stupid, it's about mixing stuff and being fun. There's a place for fun at ESC.
Hi Paulo, first of all, let me thank you a lot for such an amazing commentary! You really put a lot of effort into your argumentation, which is very logical and right. I dont want to fight it at all as I just want to give you a different logic. That comes from the fact I am working in the industry, also worked at Eurovision and I exactly know artists questions, producers questions, their perception from both - music industry and especially television. This world is not that creative as it seems and you can see at Eurovision, that is trend copying - doesnt matter if its 1000 iterration of fuego or it will be Kaarjia wanna be. That mostly comes with the fact that not all producers, or their bosses are anyhow visionaries. They just want to succeed. And they will see, that all the lowclass music will pass, which as you describe is not Kaarija, but I would say this song from Joost is exactly playing this card - people with beer in their hands will send the vote. This is not an issue, as Joost is huge, respected artist - what will happen is a chain reaction for upcoming years. And here we come with my perspective - I did not react on Joost like this, cuz I dislike him, I dont care, I criticized because I can see what he can inspire. And next years instead of 3-4 joke acts, we can have 8... as producers in others TV's just say, this is the way! They would never read your analysis, they dont care about music, only what can make them go trough semifinals. And thats copying the success. As it is hard to copy songs like Tattoo, its very easy to try to mimic a joke. And thats where Eurovision goes, especially without having jury in semifinals - now it clear who producers needs to attract. And in finals, there will be once again a huge gap between the voting. Also this for future might be a chance for BIG 5 countries, as they know, they dont need to try please anyone.
@@JanBorsI see your point... I still think it might work on the long-run, because as some comment said, eventually the novelty will die and the songs will even it out. Just like 2017, when everyone was trying to copy Sweden flashy shows, because they where being very successful, what won was the opposite. And then we saw more countries bringing their languages, we saw more styles being showcased... And Toy won that year, so it's not like the flashy stuff was gone (Salvador's face delivering the trophy was priceless HAHAHAHAH). However, Arcade won the year after. So I am optimistic about it, I think it's a moment thing of everybody trying to copy the success of Cha Cha Cha (just like everybody tried to copy the success of Fuego in 2019), and then things will be changing. Of course time will tell, I have my experience working in TV and you have yours (that I respect so much, because you work in the European field, with delegations before, you know what you talk about, that's why I watch your content hahahah), so I don't discard your predictions. I just think that that's not what's gonna happen. Either way, I will be here hearing your commentary on it. And leaving thoughtful comments, because I know you like to read those hahahahah
@paulocesarlira4431 thx for your enthusism and understandement :)
Eurovision is about getting to know other countries. This music style is invented in the Netherlands, is dutch culture. Its called happy hardcore or gabber. Look it up 😀
If you dont like different styles from different countries, why would you watch eurovision?
I always thought it is about countries fight to win with the best song...
Damn why you hating?
I am not hating, I simply dont like it
@@JanBors no that is bullshit you are just trying to not like it because you want you're own country to win
that would be nice but not realistic this year... you can check my reaction on my own country
@@JanBors yea don't start deleting comments if you talk negative about this song don't be weirded out about backlash
We will see I guess if the voters go crazy for all the joke songs and sexy girl dance break numbers, or if they will cancel each other out and let the serious entries score points.
it will actually have this effect only in finals I predict
Klojo!
Why so negative? This music is 100% Dutch music! Dutch legacy of the 90s.
well... ok, but its never was good... like in czechia, there are things witch sre nice to stay home
Sorry that you didn't like it. I think it's precily what Eurovision needs!
haha, the perception of greeks, how they think tourist thinks of them... so its basically a mirror 😂
Its a piece of art if you understand the meaning and the story. Eurovision is about different cultures, this is a culture from the 90's in the Netherlands. If you cant understand cultures in Eurovision and you are an producer you are doing something wrong.
Please learn more about the song and about the story. Because you are missing the point.
itsfar from art musicaly
I get what you’re saying, I don’t like it either.
However I believe all the supposedly fun entries are a byproduct of the Käärijä effect, not the elimination of the juries in the semifinals. There were years when the contest felt like a snooze fest due to the overwhelming amount of ballads. It will naturally even itself out hopefully in the future.
but kaarija was not just a fun, it was quality. Imo it is more Let3 effect, but neither of them. It is just a reflection, that where is no balance, quality control, there comes a .... imagine you dont have a rules in sociaty, what will happen? or in football... so this is now happening to Eurovision. Completely irresponsible decision towards the bigger platform.
My Dear Jan!!
You know Im a fan of you at your ESC video presentations.
I loved seeing your energy when watching earlier Joost Klein material.
Thats why I got sad seeing you so down in your reaction on his vid.
I hope maybe this will cheer you up a bitt ? : - th-cam.com/video/CxxePY5hRWU/w-d-xo.html
with Hugs from the NLD's
haha! cheered me up :)
@@JanBorsVET!! ( google translate will say thats grease ) In Gabber slang thats Cool or super!!
I think you dont get the message of the song. Its about the open borders in Europa (and his dad has learned him a world without borders because he worked with refugees. They end of burning the house down was focussing on the fact that he loses his parents and closing a chapter now.
The music style was popular in the 90s. is happy hardcore and also topical for the style of Joost his own music.
thats what I am saying, its his music, his authenticity.
Finally something else at the euro song. I'm done with the all over-dramatic songs, it's all about pain, lost and love.
Fuck it! Finally a awesome happy dance song with even a real story in it and yes a little bit of drama at the end, but at least the whole song isn't about dramatic menstruation pain.
You didn’t get it. Read what the song is about. It’s a personal message about his life and the dead of both of his parents and the message his father gave to him before he died.
why it is so hard to understand, that its musicality is what is it and that would not change even if the message of it is deep and nice, the music is just...
I completely understand why you put this in the same pot as Finland and I agree that for casual viewers they are absolutely in the same category (speaking as someone who likes this and really dislikes Finland) but I actually don't see the issue you have about "making a joke out of Eurovision"
However this sort of 90s/00s Nostalgia and silly vibes ARE what popular music sounds like right now, it's the newest wave of nostalgia after the 80s trend and to me it's a good thing if Eurovision reflects that.
I stopped caring so much what the general public thinks of Eurovision a long time ago. As a fan it hurts to see the contest reduced to "a silly joke", absolutely, but people will keep saying that anyway because they watch Eurovision as a casual thing. It's an entertainment TV event at heart after all, not some gala.
This years edition is going to be a big party and I think that has it's right to be that. Eurovision has changed so much so many times, this years trend aren't gonna destroy it.
Also Joost has struck me as such a sincere fan of Eurovision and the way he has been promoting not just his song but the entire contest in his home country is lovely to see.
(Sorry for the essay this really wanted out 💀)
I am looking at it from absolutely different perspective. As a producer who work his ass of to find people who would like to compete for Czechia and first year that was a nightmare. The memory of years 2000s was still in late 2015 so clear, that another 5 years I did max to change it. It was rly not easy, as such songs pop out and eventually wins, creates a bad reputation and put a bad shade on Eurovision. I understand there is big demand for fun, but we must also see how Eurovision rose after juries in semifinals were applied, how in 10 years the credit rose, quality of music rose, better artists, and also viewership rose. Took 10 years to get there, still you can see the ghost of 2000s going around and in some countries to change perception is just ultra hard even now. And it will get worse again.
More producers will see this is a formula that works, and they will not think - it worked only in JOOST case. They will try to replicate, like they do with Fuego etc...
so maybe thats understandable. I just cannot say this all the time before every reaction.
I understand your perspective is a very different one but I also really believe there's better ways to articulate your distaste for something than to call anyone or anything trash. ESC is just a TV Show at the end of the day.
@@dachzi3gel we can say about anything its just a thing... but thats separate professional stuff to hobby stuff. So no, Eurovision is not just a tv show
@@JanBorsit is certainly not above basic respect for artists and people in general
Glad youre one of the few who react to this in this way😂 so its probably you 🫣
what can I say... :)
@@JanBors haha nothing,every taste is different 😏 we gonne find out! Enjoy the weekend
Cringe song
This was not making fun of eurovision he is just having fun it is so dumb to asume that he is making fun of eurovision. This song already has 5.3 milion views and is the most populair song on eurovion this year
its more like - eurovision also because of this song starts to becoming a joke again. People vote Trump, people like silly comedies without any art in it... views is not the only criteria for quality
@@JanBors What does Trump have to do with this? 😆
@@JanBors There is art in this though, combining the message of a united Europe with a story about his dad. It might not be your cup of tea musically, but Eurovision is more than a music talent show. Also no idea how you managed to reply "people vote trump" in this comment section. Maybe you just need to lighten up a bit 😄
it way a paralel, that masses dont care about quality of things to like it and giving it a quality labels
@@JanBors why is eurovision not suposed to be fun? And DON'T say tradition. Europe is a silly and fun continent with lots if differences. we don't need every year to become a depressed fest.
You're right, enough of these joke songs😵💫
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This is what Eurovision is all about, otherwise it would just be a generic song contest. This oozes dutch culture, whether you like it or not.
I have an absolutely different point of view on this, also its much wider than just connected to Joost
@@JanBors Well, you're complaining that "People vote Trump, people like silly comedies without any art in it.". First of all I have no idea what Trump has to with any of this. Second of all you claim to appreciate "art", but then in another comment you're like "eurovision is not a message contest, song fistly for me is a melody". Art is literally all about sending messages, what you're looking for is formulaic produced mass appeal content for hypocrites.
@@Milvusmilvus-jo8vq Pretty damn ironic that you're the one here insulting others with words like "unculture" and "hooligan behavior".
Way better than Finland this year
it sounds almost the same, and they have amazing staging 😂
Joost doesn't do a smoker voice like the finnish guy does, also we don't know how Joost will do the staging, it will probably be awesome using his own concerts as source. @@JanBors
@@Casr7_ I am curious, I expect crazy costume, over the top fish eye like / gopro 360 style of visuals
Really liked this song, and loved its incorporation of hardstyle at the end which is very Dutch yet very international (hardstyle is huge amongst Australian youth and young adults too which is where I’m from).
As I was watching it, I thought to myself that I you’d probably dislike the song very much 🤣 but I do personally like this new innovative, experimental, fun direction in music that artists seem to be trying to share. Perhaps this year they may be too many of them, I don’t want the reputation of Eurovision to be trashed too much, but i wonder if this is the new direction Eurovision will take again - Juries losing power and televote becoming too much of a priority.
as you say, televote is getting more power, so platform looses quality control and from almost getting to level of champions league, we will slide back to sunday league of 2000s...
Nah, he isn't making fun of Eurovision. Europapa is a tribute to the Dutch influence and heritage in the music industry, while also having a message to thank his parents (mainly his father, hence the title) for teaching him about creating his own world. One of his lifelong goals is to be on that Eurovision stage, so it's far from 'making fun of Eurovision'. But I'm glad you spoke out about his authenticity because that's absolutely true, it's not just your cup of tea.
I am glad you saw the whole video :)
@@JanBors Ofcourse! I really like all the different reactions on this song, both the positive and negative. Joost said himself: “The song is now in a gallery for the world to see, you’ve already paid for your ticket so do with my art what you like.” And I think that’s the right mindset for any artist!
@@Jordiw00t he is an amazing person to look at for sure!
Greece is the winner! Nevermind😂😂😂🎉🎉🎉
Missing the point completely, grandpa.. And that's a shame.
You don"t get the point. It's great. 12 points the netherlands.
Based on this reaction, now i understand how "professional jury" voting in ESC (taking into account that you was part of international jury).... mindblowing how jury are sooo unprofessional in judging by cover... for such people there is subtitles.... guys, we really need petition to remove JURY from contest.
idk what to say, jury is here to preverse quality and maintain balance, to judge the song quality, they firstly lie in the melody. If we judge based on lyrics, we do poem competition probably. And ofc - lets se live on stage, that can change a lot :)
You concluded without reading of lyrics background info or anything. To bad for you.
how can I read the music? Can you tell me? Its about listening music not reading lyrics
We are coming after the period that many broadcasters (at least those who selected internally) deliberately selected songs that speak more to the juries than televoters. These song had a notion that it is better to be indistinguishable, safe, and (at least in mind of people who selected them) as radio-friendly. This mad a contest during 2015-2019 extremely boring in some way. When I think about songs like Timebelle - "Apollo" (Switzerland 2017), OG3NE - Lights And Shadows (The Netherlands, 2017), Anja Nissen (Denmark 2017), Cesar Sampson (Austria 2018). All the efforts of Symphonix.
I have impression that after pandemic people got more open to different angles how to approach a song in Eurovision. Radio-friendliness is kind of dead and social media took over its role. Personally, I don't want Eurovision to appeal to normal people who listen to music only in shopping mall, changing rooms in H&M or when a bus driver plays some local radio. I want Eurovision to be that place and platform that is the most radical within mainstream and tv entertainment. I want Eurovision to push barriers rather than being a platform to produce radio hits.
eurovision always produced radio hits, some of them locally, some of them even worldwide. Idk this is the case for the world, maybe a region. Thats fine. Btw contest from 2015-2019 were the most watched by people, most popular, and more than average songs. That culminated until last year, and this year when the juries for the second time in a row are not present in semis, we already see a downfall of quality. What it will be next year?
@@JanBors The dwonfall of quality is a subjective thing. I think that post-pandemic Eurovision got much better because many artist realised how great opportunity for an exposure Eurovision/NFs can be.
By saying radio-friendly songs, I do not mean songs that actually end up being hits in the airplay but an INTENTION that many broadcaster had at this point to appeal juries and to have easy qualification to the final. Think of all Symphonix attempts made by ex-YU countries. These internally selected songs like Serbian or Macedonian had not content, no story to tell - just a fine production. People did not get lured.
@@maciejsychowiec139 I dont talk about post-pandemic, 2021-2022, were amazing, 2023 a little contrastful and this continues now and will be worse with this rule. Maybe it might seem more attractive. But I give you producers perspective - the only thing what is rly important is to get to finals. If you wont be able to find a perfect song, you will come with a joke. And more and more this will happen, worse Eurovision will become. And I can see its already happening. One rule change.
@@JanBors So it applies to the my point. Some broadcasters in past were buying mid-songs from producers specializing in Eurovision (Symphonix, G:Son, Wrethov, Debs, Dimitrov etc.) just to boost their chances for qualification. Same logic, different strategy.
The other question is when a comedic elements becomes a joke. Joke of what? Why meaningless pop songs are not considered as jokes and lack of respect to viewers by being without any story behind it (e.g. most of recent Cypriot entries).
but thats a different, if you are having a "blunt" song copy, thats just meh, but when you create joke, of you create a parody, and that looks is a trend, we have a problem, as no one care about average songs, but everyone will pinpoint a parody.
Idk why it is so hard to see the difference. Its like most of stupid comedies will get amazing revenues but never get a price. Once such comedy wins the oscars, oscars are stop being a serious show. ... its a very delicate balance. Which is broken.
You obviously don't understand one thing about this entry.
music talks itself
You should read the official press release before commenting because your interpretation is completely wrong.
i did not intepret the song, I was talking about its musicality and how this can affect the whole esc... watch the full video
Not everyone has the same taste.
But 5.4 mln views in 3 days. A lot of ppl enoying it. Why so salty?
But thats great! Joost is a big star, so its also not s surprise. And I am not salty on him.
If you watch the whole video, I am describing, where this can lead for the whole future of the contest. As this reaction is contextual.
But does not matter. Same as I dont rly care about the message in the song cuz first I dont like it, you dont need to understand this :) Its not rly saltiness, bud sadness
You didn't get it at all, and I usually like your videos
Well, musically its a big no from me. The rest can be nice but I rly feel this form is a joke
@@JanBors its far from a joke. Its quite deep actually. Its happy, dancy but sad at the end, he is a sad “clown”, deep inside devastated. Its about his dead father . Also his reference in the song to Stromae ,papaoutai
@@m.s9018 yes, euro papa ( papa is daddy in dutch)🥳🥳🥳
These sounds are almost painful for me! 😂 Computer voice, no vocal quality, children’s song melody and a very strange „message“that is hyped almost everywhere. And if you don’t like it, you are too old, stupid, you just don’t „get it“, right?
This to me is the opposite of quality.
Thank you for showing that I am not alone. Needed your reacttion
you are not alone in this 😂🙏
@@JanBors🥰
50+ year old people are to old for this 😂
How coold you say croatia has quality and meaning and this doesnt. Its a song for his dad, i think you need to understand the lyrics to understand the meaning behind the song better.
first comes the melody, style... sorry. ythe meaning, same like in Croatian song, is secondary
so negative. there’s quality in the production and arrangement. joost nails it!
you can view the song with translation, this song is not by any means funny, it is a letter to his late dad, so maybe some more investigation would be wise if you are going to categorize it as only funny, such a pity..
the musicality is so... that I dont rly care abouts it meaning, sorry
guess you mised the 90ties
actually not, thats why maybe I dont like this song