Lambert W Taylor Series Expansion [ Lagrange Inversion Theorem ]

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  • @atrimandal4324
    @atrimandal4324 6 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    Bois - T Series
    Men - Pewdiepie
    Legends - Flammable Maths ❤️

  • @blackpenredpen
    @blackpenredpen 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Yay!

  • @jfr9964
    @jfr9964 6 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    Now prove the Lagrange inversion theorem :D

    • @yarooborkowski5999
      @yarooborkowski5999 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yes, would be very useful.

    • @arthurgames9610
      @arthurgames9610 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yea, I really need this I'm searching this proof for days and i haven't found it

    • @edskev7696
      @edskev7696 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Maybe late, but here's a proof! You need to do a little work to get the expression used in the video, but gives the basic ideas.
      users.math.msu.edu/users/magyarp/Math880/Lagrange.pdf

  • @1Adamrpg
    @1Adamrpg 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Agreed with some other comments, briefly discussing the radius of convergence would've been nice. Since n^n grows much faster than n!, this expansion only works for small z. I think it's z < 1/e if I recall correctly

  • @weird407
    @weird407 6 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Doing maths: yes papa
    Proving theorem: yes papa
    Lying?: no papa
    don't kick me papa flammy

  • @treyforest2466
    @treyforest2466 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I’d be curious to know how this Taylor series deals with the fact that W(z) has two branches. Does the same polynomial somehow describe both branches, or just one of them?

  • @Soundillusions94xyz
    @Soundillusions94xyz 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    "Welcome back to anow video" I love your accent and I love you. Now that my differential equations class started, I hope you keep the differential equations videos coming!

  • @quahntasy
    @quahntasy 6 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Two boards. Shlt is about to get serious

  • @lukaskaufmann3178
    @lukaskaufmann3178 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    ˋˋit falls a bit from the skyˋˋ

  • @samuelmarger9031
    @samuelmarger9031 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    We might need to find its radius and interval of convergence. Maybe calculus stuffs, bprp can help!

  • @Blackfir333
    @Blackfir333 6 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    But why is it called the Lambert W function? A guy named Lambert just liked the letter W?

    • @WhattheHectogon
      @WhattheHectogon 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Should pronounce it Lambert Vvvvv function, cuz that's much more deutlich, obviously.

    • @ThePron8
      @ThePron8 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Maybe because "L" is often used for Laplace transform and Lagrangian:)

    • @10erlangga
      @10erlangga 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      W for weed

    • @Koisheep
      @Koisheep 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's a Kamen Rider W reference

    • @skylardeslypere9909
      @skylardeslypere9909 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      W for Wednesday my dude aaAaAAAaaAaaAAaaaAaaAaAaAAAHhhHhHHhHH

  • @pablojulianjimenezcano4362
    @pablojulianjimenezcano4362 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Lambert W function is the best function in the universe :V!!!!!!!

  • @olimatthews5636
    @olimatthews5636 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ""It's bloody messy" 😂😂 thanks papa

  • @xfcisco
    @xfcisco ปีที่แล้ว

    this function is a big W.
    -- Labert

  • @michaelempeigne3519
    @michaelempeigne3519 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Prove the Lagrange Inversion Theorem.

  • @NoNTr1v1aL
    @NoNTr1v1aL 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    0:54 Mission failed. We'll get'em next time.

  • @sansamman4619
    @sansamman4619 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i got confused by the D^(n -1), thanks for showing the steps!

    • @sansamman4619
      @sansamman4619 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      #wewantmore ummm.. i don't know I have no criticism but I want more.

    • @Hexanitrobenzene
      @Hexanitrobenzene 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      San Samman
      Probably Papa Flammy's source was using this notation. That's usually a sign of advanced material. However, there is no need for operator notation here.

  • @mlguy8376
    @mlguy8376 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A really nice video - just one slight typo. For the series coefficients you define “g_n(z)” which should not be the case since you are taking the limit of the variable z (though you use x).

  • @sonialucy1
    @sonialucy1 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    MAKE MATHS GREAT AGAIN!

  • @nemanjaberic6848
    @nemanjaberic6848 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Omega-Tau-Phi indeed, and well deserved. One of few physicists that can do proofs, is our Papa Flammy. Remember that those physicists are the ones that were the greatest.

    • @noamtashma2859
      @noamtashma2859 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      So the mathematicians are the greatest physicists?

  • @TheUnorthodoxGears
    @TheUnorthodoxGears 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    You seem like a chill guy... subbed

    • @Hexanitrobenzene
      @Hexanitrobenzene 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      TheUnorthodoxGears
      Hm, for me he looks like an arrogant smart ass, but in a funny and likeable way :D

  • @willful759
    @willful759 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    many thanks pappa

  • @kayeassy
    @kayeassy 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yaaay papa finally uploaded it ..

  • @noahali-origamiandmore2050
    @noahali-origamiandmore2050 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How does this work with the fact that W(z) has infinitely many branches. This definition only gives the principal branch.

  • @subhagjain7983
    @subhagjain7983 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    THE BOARD UNDER THE BOARD🤣🤣

  • @mdorghammm
    @mdorghammm 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    great video.

  • @sebastiian4002
    @sebastiian4002 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Flammy lamby!

  • @marcioamaral7511
    @marcioamaral7511 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Could you make a video on Lagrange multipliers to find functions of several variables extrema?

  • @luisroman6745
    @luisroman6745 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I come for the math, I stay cause papa is one sexy boi.

  • @TheBil1337
    @TheBil1337 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Automatic captioning at 8:10 - WTF I am gonna call BND you sneaky boi

  • @AubreyForever
    @AubreyForever 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wish he would slow down more for high school students watching this.

  • @wildatakalamingan2635
    @wildatakalamingan2635 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful :)

  • @Koisheep
    @Koisheep 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It wpuld be great if someone sent you a featured video where the proof is explained *wink wink wonk

  • @ApplyEval
    @ApplyEval 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    You have me hit mathematical climax with these series, papa.

  • @haowu9903
    @haowu9903 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    From which lecture in the university can I learn Lagrange inversion formula?

  • @michaelroberts1120
    @michaelroberts1120 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fire Steinmeier! Flammy for President!

  • @conanedojawa4538
    @conanedojawa4538 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    what's the radius of the convergence of this series ?

  • @jarogniewborkowski5284
    @jarogniewborkowski5284 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please try to derive Lagrange Inversion Theorem in similar way.
    It is very interesting tool.
    Best regards

  • @harrygreen9804
    @harrygreen9804 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hell yeah

    • @harrygreen9804
      @harrygreen9804 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Great video as always, I've been trying to find an inverse for the anti-derivative of the Maxwell-Boltzmann boi and couldn't find any worked examples of the Lagrange inversion theorem so this helps a lot

  • @46pi26
    @46pi26 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I still want to see a proof of the Lagrange inversion theorem so that I don't have to keep using series reversions:/

    • @WhattheHectogon
      @WhattheHectogon 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Is 46 & pi the next version of that song?

    • @46pi26
      @46pi26 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@WhattheHectogon Yeah it's gonna be on the new album

  • @zacharieetienne5784
    @zacharieetienne5784 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lagrange...
    small people...
    small...

  • @reinerwilhelms-tricarico344
    @reinerwilhelms-tricarico344 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    It would really be nice if you could provide an hemdsärmeligen proof of Lagrange’s inversion theorem. ;-)

  • @akashnarayanan9750
    @akashnarayanan9750 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey papa flammy, not directly related to the video but I had a question. I know sometimes when you're solving your diff eqs and you have dy/dx = 2 or something, you integrate both sides with respect to x. You always say you can cancel out the dx's on the right if ur a physicist or you can introduce a proper substitution. What do you mean when you say a proper substitution?

    • @alcaz0r1
      @alcaz0r1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      When you use separation of variables you end up with and integral, lets call it I, that looks like
      I = integral f(y) dy/dx dx.
      Let F be an anti-derivative of f. Then
      F = integral f(y) dy ... dF/dy = f ... dF/dy dy/dx = f(y) dy/dx,
      and by the chain rule of differentiation
      dF/dy dy/dx
      is nothing but
      dF/dx.
      Therefore,
      I = integral dF/dx dx = F = integral f(y) dy

    • @Hexanitrobenzene
      @Hexanitrobenzene 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Akash Narayanan
      In a calculus book I learned from, it was proved that first order derivative, for ex. dy/dx, can be treated like a fraction, so canceling out dx is not an improper procedure.
      Higher order derivatives cannot be treated like fractions.

  • @nevokrien95
    @nevokrien95 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    i tried it with just tayloer seiries and got y(c)+lnu(x-c) u is constent

    • @nevokrien95
      @nevokrien95 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      sorry ln 1+u(x-c)

    • @nevokrien95
      @nevokrien95 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      this is wrong double checked again (the mistake was f''=-f'^2) working on this for the 2nd time i got a recursive formula for the Taylor series of the inverse of x^s*e^x but its a monster containing the sum of the n previous number in the seiris multiplied by ns
      however it seems like it is diverging a lot so this makes this function weird never the less it is unalitic

  • @maximiliankoch1156
    @maximiliankoch1156 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Challenge: Solve a^n+b^n=c making n the subject using lambert W-function :)

    • @Hexanitrobenzene
      @Hexanitrobenzene 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Maximilian Koch
      I assume you want a general solution for
      a^x+b^x=c,
      since n usually denotes natural numbers and this equation is not likely to have integer solutions.
      It seems that this equation requires other function to solve it, since there are no x'es not in the exponent.
      Let's see. We want the same base for exponential functions, say, a:
      b^x =[a^(log_a b)]^x = a^(x*log_a b) .
      Let's define a parameter p:
      p=log_a b=ln b/ln a .
      Our equation becomes
      a^x + a^(x*p)=c ->
      a^x + (a^x)^p=c .
      Let's change a variable :
      a^x=y -> y+y^p=c , y>0 .
      So, we get a polynomial-ish equation in terms of y - not polynomial, because p may not be integer. If we get y, x is just
      x=ln y/ln a, ln a=/=0, a=/=1.
      a=1 is a trivial case.
      What about p=ln b/ln a ? Let's explore the cases:
      p=0 -> ln b=0 -> b=1, trivial.
      p=1 -> ln b=ln a, b=a, trivial.
      p=2 - quadratic equation.
      p=3;4 - cubic and quartic equations. Algebraic solutions are known (wiki), but they are messy, especially for quartic.
      We can also solve p=l/m, where l,m=1;2;3;4. For example, p=3/4 :
      y^(3/4) + y=c
      ->[y^(1/4)]^3+[y^(1/4)]^4=c
      y^(1/4)=t, y=t^4
      ->t^3 + t^4=c
      If p

    • @Hexanitrobenzene
      @Hexanitrobenzene 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Maximilian Koch
      It seems that equation y^p +y=c can be solved by Lagrange inversion theorem. Here is solution to equation y^p - y=c :
      en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrange_inversion_theorem
      ,Section "Example" . I guess that this equation can be turned to our form by using substitution y=(-1)^[1/(p-1)] *u, I extrapolate from article
      en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bring_radical
      ,section "Normal forms", paragraph "Bring-Jerrard normal form".
      However, this substitution involves complex numbers in general, so... Dunno.

  • @lucasdepetris5896
    @lucasdepetris5896 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, is it even possible to solve for x in 3^x+x^2-2=0 ?? Make a video plsss

    • @Hexanitrobenzene
      @Hexanitrobenzene 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lucas Depetris
      It seems that the constant term causes a lot of trouble. A similar equation without it is solved in wiki :
      en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambert_W_function
      ,section "Solutions of equations", example 3. However, this method cannot be applied when constant term is present, because then square root cannot be extracted.
      Help, Papa ! :D

  • @linuskelsey8295
    @linuskelsey8295 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    do W(-π/2)

  • @AncientAncestor
    @AncientAncestor 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Give a proof of the error term in Simpsons Rule. I dare you!

    • @Hexanitrobenzene
      @Hexanitrobenzene 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      AncientAncestor
      Who likes calculating errors ? They tend to be dull, messy and tedious...
      Now this theorem is something else ! I suspect that proving it requires some serious knowledge of theory of functions of complex variable...

    • @AncientAncestor
      @AncientAncestor 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Hexanitrobenzene Charity Livestream? Watching Papa Flammys slow descent into madness as the hours pass of him performing increasingly more tedious but absolutely essential calculations in order to prove an absolutely essesntial result in the field of numerical integration would probably be the best thing to ever happen to the internet.

  • @cavver3523
    @cavver3523 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I still can't understand Taylor Functions... did you do a video about this?
    Also, what is that big D at 1:05?

    • @NoNTr1v1aL
      @NoNTr1v1aL 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That's mine.

    • @cavver3523
      @cavver3523 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh okay, thanks papa!

    • @cavver3523
      @cavver3523 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@NoNTr1v1aL Lol

    • @cavver3523
      @cavver3523 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@misotanniold787 okay, I got the idea. Now I have to elaborate on this argument! Thank you!

  • @PackSciences
    @PackSciences 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Proof of Lagrange Inversion Theorem:
    May y(x,b)= x + b*f(y),
    Near b = 0, we get the taylor expansion in b = 0:
    x + sum from k = 1 to infinity x^k / k! (partial^k / partial x^k) (y(x,0))
    (1)
    y(x,b) = x - b*f(y(x,b))
    partial y/partial x - 1 - b (partial f/partial y) (partial y/ partial b) = 0 means partial y/partial x (1-b*f'(y)) = 1
    partial y/partial b - f(y(x,b)) - b (partial f/partial y) (partial y/ partial b) 0 means partial y/partial b (1-b*f'(y)) = f(y)
    Therefore, partial y/partial b = f(y) partial y / partial x
    (2)
    Now we want to show that for all n >0, (partial^n y/partial ^n b) = (partial^n-1 / partial x^n-1) (f^n (y) partial y/partial x).
    partial^2 y/ partial b^2 = (partial/partial b) (partial/partial b) (y) = (partial/partial b) (f(y) partial y/partial x)) = (partial/partial x) (f^2(y) partial y/partial x)
    By recursion, we get the said 3rd step formula.
    (3)
    In (x,0), y=x.
    partial y/partial x = 1
    and partial^n/partial b^n (y(x,0)) = partial^n-1/partial x^n-1 (f^n(x)).
    By (1), we get the forth step:
    y = x + sum from k=1 to +infinity of b^k/k! (partial^k-1/partial x^k-1) f^k(x)
    (4)
    We have now proved the Lagrange Inversion theorem at x=0. A simple change of variable z=x+x_0 makes it in any real point.

  • @RAJSINGH-of9iy
    @RAJSINGH-of9iy 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where are you studying????

    • @RAJSINGH-of9iy
      @RAJSINGH-of9iy 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Flammable Maths okk ty. You are doing a grt job, keep it up. U r doing graduation or msc???

  • @matthewstevens340
    @matthewstevens340 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    So are we having an affair with the Lambert W function? I see through the lies

  • @vinitchauhan973
    @vinitchauhan973 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    :")

  • @kingarvish4269
    @kingarvish4269 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    :D

  • @TheHosti
    @TheHosti 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    fiRsT11!!

  • @Riiisuu
    @Riiisuu 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Please no more lambert videos 😖 too much for me

    • @nejlaakyuz4025
      @nejlaakyuz4025 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      More lambert, more lambert more lambert