If the Barton Hall was ANY indicator, its that they do realize the music has slowed down maybe too much. I hope they keep the same Barton energy throughout the tour. My biggest complaint(if you can call it that) is that theyre playing too slow and losing the original energy of the songs. Im glad many people feel the way i do and i hope the band is taking that to heart during this final tour. Seeing them in Dallas on the 26th. Itll be bittersweet as it is so i hope the energy is there.
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I hear you brother. I’ve been bitchin about the tempo for years. They play every song at Row Jimmy tempo. I want to be able to have to catch my breath between songs and have my legs feel like wet noodles the next day. I said I wasn’t going to any shows this year if they didn’t pick it up but I was talking out my ass. Let’s keep our fingers crossed. See ya on tour!!!!
@@timruth8767 This year I saw the shows at Citizens Bank in Philadelphia and the two shows at Citifield. With Jay Lane taking over for Billy, the pace of the music is a lot faster. Last year when Jay filled in for Billy, the pace of the music was so much faster. I love Billy but Jay has improved the tempo to where it should be. Be Kind
It is, what it is. Kreutzmann's arrangements are superior to Dead and Co, as well as the music itself. Lesh and Kreutzmann do the Dead sound in a more energetic musical manner. And, after almost 60 years it becomes time to do your own thing. You don't live forever. I've enjoyed the Dead since late '65 as the Warlocks and as far as I'm concerned their longevity is really a miracle. My friends and I talked about which band would last the most. Everybody said it would not be the Dead because they were the craziest. We didn't know shit.
If you were 70 plus, would you still have the passion and desire to endure the road just to spread music and joy to others? This is their LIFE. I don't mind hearing how it feels in the end. More power to them each to follow their desire.
There's a way to play a double time within a slower time. Bill Kreutzmann knows that. We've spoken. I wish Bill, a real gentleman, all the best for all the fabulous times we spent together drumming!
Seems like you just HAD TO let people know that you and Kreutzmann "had talked". Yet your handle is exactly how he refers to himself. "Bill the drummer". Obsessed fan, maybe?
The BArton hall show was the best DnC show in years as the energy was there. Dead N Slow has been my name for this band. When I saw them last, the Shakedown Street was so slow i dont know how you could even dance to it and the whole show was like that and its not just that one show i went to. They have had no energy and the songs become stale. Also the song list has not extended very much. New songs that are brought in dont sound practiced at all, kinda winging it. WHen tickets cost this much, gotta come somewhat prepared. But i didnt think they would up the tempo, but they did FINALLY at the Barton Hall show. But whats weird is Billys show in N.O. had energy as well. So im not sure who is causing the slow down. I think its Bobby as he has been slowing these songs to a crawl for years and he does this with Wolf Bros. I use to see members of the dead all over and they brought energy. Now i could sleep thru half the show. So i stopped going to see them. I can get my Dead kick from other members projects and what not. Go see Melvin, he brings the energy. Go see JRAD, or go see Phil. Im shocked that Phil (on his 2nd liver) brings more energy than DnC had been up until this Barton show. But im not sold on this tempo continuing on thru the tour. Yeah these guys are getting older, but as i said Phil has no problems playing these songs in the correct tempo, and outside of DnC Billy doesnt either. Listen to Billy and the Kids, wowzA. So the only member that imho has done this tempo crap is Bobby. I think he must have lost a bet because he cant keep up with this pace very well. Really listen to his playing from the BARTON hall show. Its in and out, i think Bobbys LSD intake over the years has caught up to him and there are shows where hes great and others ive seen recently where i swear he needs guitar lessons haha and someone to tune his guitar properly. I remember at Lockn one year it was so bad with Bobbys guitar. HE was playing out of tune and didnt seem to realize it and it was just noise on top of everything else. I love the dead and the music and hey they are still dojng it so be happy we still got this happening. But there are so many options for a Dead fix and spending less $ at the same time and going to more intimate venues with better sound. Rather go to the Beacon Theatre than Fendway park ! Also ive seen a change in the audience since DnC really took off. I was at SPAC oe year and i got there with 50 hits of acid to sell before the show. It took me 6 hours to sell 50 hits at a DnC show ! It was all college frat kids and shit. Like DMB crowd has become DnC crowd a lot of over privledged kids with no manners or respect to the elders. Ive seen lots of negative shit from the lot scenes and its sad. But thats what happens when you try to reinvent the Dead and come up with someone like Mayer to play guitar. Ya got crowds that dont mix. In all my years of going to Dead related shows ive NEVER quite seen what i have the last few years of DnC. I am not wasting my $ to walk out disappointed and depressed by the product thats being delivered. I honestly felt so depressed leaving the last DnC show i went to (Hartford) that i couldnt even listen to the Dead for a little whole. The crowd, the band on a large scale is not my scene anymore. SO for yall going to DnC have a good time, but keep your eyes out for members of JGB, Furthur, Ratdog etc who tour for much less, bring the energy and keep control over the crowd better. The sound is #1 thing for me and these stadium shows suck, stay home and listen to a live show imho makes more sense than spending $500 total to go see them. I remember when Ratdog toured every year and we would go see 40+ shows at $20-30 a ticket. GDTStoo still existed. But sorry to say there has been a serious selling out by the members of the Dead in recent years that is not cool to me. Our unique crowd has been infiltraited by people who dont respect the elders. Sorry rant over. I could care less if anyone takes what i said the wrong way, i know denial is a tricky thing to admit haha! Kinda like people who think any guitar that says Gibson on it is the best thing since sliced bread. I am glad folks who never got to see members of the Dead have gotten their chances, but when i go into the dead as a youngin I followed the lead of the elders, now its know it all kids with no clue what they are talking about and violence and this hippy thug movement is sad.
Don't blame his tripping, that wasn't his drug(s) of choice. When they(D&C) started, it felt better than FTW had but I expected some slowness as Ratdog was pretty slow in 2014. Jack Straw was almost painful to hear but other songs seemed to open new pathways with slower tempos. Depends on the song and show and tour. 50 hits? Back in the day, I would have bought that in 5 seconds for the right price and quality and then if good, hoped for more. Saw Phish on a Campus in a College town in '99, arrived too late for any lot scene. Inside the show, it was like "drunk frat boy--idiot convention" complete with puke and piss and whiskey pints all over. The next night, few hours away in a town known for more than a big university system, doses were flowing and music was great and most cover tunes I'd heard them play outside of those old Halloween shows. Literally ran right into the band after the show. We didn't even think about the tour bus, we were just floating along when the door of the arena flew open 3 times like flippers on an old pinball game. I don't expect the tempo at their age, I'm younger than everyone except John M. (I think anyhow), and I'm in slow motion these last 5-10 years but when I started listening to them, Jerry was still in his upper 30s. I listened to a lot of metal and hard-core punk, and I was amazed by how "these old guys" played. I'd rather hear them a little slower than not at all. I mean, I really wish we never aged past 40 but I think we would have surpassed standing room long ago if aging or death didn't take us.
Deadhead from 1977-1995. Dead and Company play Bob Weir's own tunes well, but when they try and do a Jerry Garcia song it's cringeworthy! Friends who toured with me during my Deadhead days tend to agree. Jerry carried any band he played in, and when you take away virtuosos like Phil and Billy, it's not worthy of the name "Dead"! But if you had never seen Jerry with the Dead or with JGB you won't know what you're missing! Ignorance is bliss. Dead Slow & Co. for sure!
Bobby played the time in the Grateful Dead. Billy's philosophy was "the one is where you find it" and Phil never liked to play root notes. Jay is a much tighter drummer. Who keeps a steady groove. Matt Busch himself said the music wasn't actually faster with Jay based on BPM, but it felt that way because Billy's a swing drummer and Jay plays tighter and more funky. I found Dead & Co better with Billy when they were on because the jams were way more creative than interesting but that wasn't close to every show. They're much more consistent with Jay but don't reach the same peaks, specifically on the stuff like dark Star, the other one and the BALLADS. I don't mind a slow tempo a lot of my favorite GD years are the slower ones (70, 73, 76, etc) because I find the music emotionally deeper when it's more patient but there's a balance
Billy’s supple and crisp one-handed roll has always been the snap in the Dead’s groove. Irreplaceable. It makes total sense for him to feel creatively stifled in slower arrangements.
"one-handed roll"?? Are you actually a drummer? I am, and haven't the faintest idea as to what you mean. Yes, he was their backbone, but they certainly don't have remotely the same groove as they had years ago. Weir dictates the tempos I believe, and apparently he likes it slooooooow.
When your NOT creating,..your stifling the flow and the creative source isn't present. There is something alive about the grateful dead which may not be within the D& C..yet it's Beautiful & lovely to hear Bob Weir singing. If you have those two drummers it's some kinda wonderful. Maybe a trio..acoustic trio ..?
It’s a damn shame that billy, bob, Mickey, and Phil aren’t playing together, I saw Bobby and Phil play a few times together at lockn and also the duo and it was fantastic they should all be playing together still.
Phils bass is so key to the sound. It’s amazing how much Phil and Bobby did play together. 30 years of GD, 3 years of Other Ones, 3 Years of The Dead, 5 years of Further plus 2015 reunion and the duo shows. I agree would be wonderful if Phil and Bobby played together again.
As a longtime Dead fan since 68 the last couple times I saw Dead and Company it was underwhelming. I’m thinking of seeing them in a few weeks for the last time . Earlier this afternoon I saw two songs from New Orleans and it was a turn off . I don’t want to be negative but facts are facts. Bobby and Mickey are getting older and understandably are slowing down. I’m 71 and it’s jus a reality of getting older . I’d actually prefer if they played shorter times but be more energetic. Nothing lasts forever and I’m glad they’ve finally decided to end the big tours . It’s an end to the long strange trip and it has been fun .
I mean the originals are getting quite older to tour, and the younger, wonderful caretakers Mayer and Burbridge, have been doing it over 10 years, or about half of their adult lives. It's winding down and it's been an awesome throwback of curated vibes. I thank everyone involved in it.
@@Kwedeekhapo That's going too far but for me as an after the fact Dead follower there is just no reason to watch it when there are so many fantastic GD shows preserved to listen to.
Meh, I’m less sold on Billy w them. I don’t like his competitive energy on stage w that kind of music. Saw Seven Walkers at OCF a few years back- they were awesome.
This past Thursday the 27th of April at the Saenger New Orleans was the happiest I've seen Billy since 7 Walkers with Papa Mali and George porter Jr. everyone is tired of Jack Straw at half tempo, Bobby !!!
I'm kind of glad. I love Billy but being a drummer myself I always noticed in these recent years his drumming is kind of clunky and out of time which affects the overall music for me. Whenever the other guy replaced him in the last tour the music sounded so much more tight and enjoyable. God bless you Bill and thank you!
I first really noticed on that Fare Thee Well that the Rythym Devils were really weak. Not sure if that happened slowly over years I hadn’t been paying attention. I saw them in 2000 and they were good. Billy especially was just like old times. But a lot of years suddenly went by and that 2015 stuff was like oh dear.
It's ok. They've all put their time in. Nothing lasts forever. It will be bittersweet to hear these songs played one more time with our tribe all together. NFA ⚘️
Billy also sat in with Daniel Donato's Cosmic Country and they played an outstanding 45 min Dark Star. Highly suggest checking that out. You could tell he was much more motivated and in the zone playing with the young fellas!🤠
When I first heard about Bill leaving my first thought was Billy and the Kids. I would love to see them live. I can dance to that. * As a drummer myself, I'm guessing he wants to play a faster tempo and be more involved. 🤷🏻♂️
This news is a lot less sad if you caught the Cornell ‘23 show last night. “Dead & Slow” was very much Alive and Energetic. Jay is a great fit and brought a much needed dose of life to the whole band. Bill needs to stick with the Kids and let Jay take it forward with whatever progression of the band comes next.
@@deadhead4206 They are older now, can't go back to the physical facility they had with their instruments decades ago. Phil's band tries and he can't keep up.
Guess it give Weir more time and space to load up for a vocal. Ruins some of the songs. Thanks for watching. Subscribe to my channel if you like the content
He got tired of playing Cold Rain and Slow, and Slowdown Palace. Or songs like Box of Drizzle, Limpdown Street, Chinacat Slowflower, and I Slow You Rider. Or, maybe it was songs like The Race Is Off, Peggy-Oh-so Slow, or Slowing Stones or One Slow Saturday Night.
I've had the privelege of attending 4 Dead & Company shows during the past three years - 2 in Phoenix, 1 at Bethel Woods, first of three final shows at SF. I'm kind of over sad reviewers who can't take the fast / slow dynamics. They get bored. The band dragged through the first half of whatever song.. Both of which I've read in the past few minutes. Oh, that song was in the wrong place in the show. Oh, that was a lackluster song to open with. I'm just so thankful and enriched that I had this opportunity to enjoy this wonderful band carrying on the legacy and making this great music available for a few more years. Let the music play.
Yup. Weir thinks making the songs drag is somehow evolutionary/ interpretive. No. Just boring. Tempo is a KEY component to groove and The Grateful Dead were masters at groove. They were not always consistent but, on the best shows, the tempo was where it ought to be. Of course this is a subjective thing, but you can tell by people's reaction whether a groove is working or not. The human body reacts. It knows. Weir, of all people, should know this. Slowing a song down can be interesting for an alternate interpretation of a given piece, but not ALL songs will benefit from this treatment. The most drastic casualty is the loss of FUN! A terrible loss to lose Kreutzmann.
I don’t know man. It seems like in today’s “all things polarized” world, there is an urge to pick a side (speaking for myself). But in the end I hope they all find the creative groove that brings them joy. I’m grateful for all of them.
Good point. It seems like all the members feel more comfortable going in their own directions and interpreting the music as they see fit. And that's fine. People want the all or nothing thing, but sometimes the world doesn't work in that way.
@@ronschaffer5959 that’s a good point. Case in point I saw Jon Anderson and the Band Geeks Tuesday night. It was like Yes from 1973. But people want to bash it cause Steve Howe not involved or Squire or Bruford. It was incredible. Here is my review th-cam.com/video/Hs1121_rxzQ/w-d-xo.html
I was born two months before Jerry passed away. I’ve only ever had archive recordings of the Grateful Dead. I’ve got a lot of respect for Bob, Bill, Mickey, Jeff, Otiel, and John. Dead and Co. was always a day late and a buck short for me. Never quite had the same mind blowing sequences the Grateful Dead were able to achieve. Might be controversial, but in my opinion JRAD does a better job at emulating what peak Dead were able to do better than Dead and Co. ever could.
i've been catching a couple concerts every tour, this was the best tour for sure at least the shows i went to, i went to the shows at the gorge and i was impressed, it was great, they didn't need him
Awesome!! I’ve never been to the Gorge. On bucket list! Hope you get to see more shows in future. I assume there will be more to come from D&C!! Thanks again Ricky
@@BillTheButcher79 On Fire Last Night Fer sure! Johnny boy quit the band and Bobby stated there will be another inflection so lets see how it all shakes out
Off Topic or is it -What's Up with Weir now attending the Bohemian Grove thingy ? (Those attending former meetings included Ernest Lawrence, J. Robert Oppenheimer, the S-1 Executive Committee heads, such as the presidents of Harvard, Yale, and Princeton, along with representatives of Standard Oil and General Electric as well as various military officials & Ronald Reagan & Richard Nixon )
PS: None of these lead guitar players since Jerry died have got his tone down at all. They can play his notes just perfectly But the TONE from ALL OF THEM ......is just not THERE. Seeing him play up CLOSE in March 1975 in the KEZAR STADIUM for the SNACK Festival for the disadvantaged youth ..... I could clearly see his SECRET his amazing un orthodox picking technique actually his own hybrid style. But, most significantly his propensity To hang around the TWELVTH FRET. HIS CRYSTAL CLEAR TONE IN THE BANJO RANGES HE LOVED. HIS SUSTAIN AND HANDS WERE UTERRLY UNIQUE. And, Nobody has really tackled that YET.
Dead and Co is not slow, It’s deliberate. They pulled 61 seconds out of a minute. People seem to be in quite a rush for each of these songs to end. It makes sense to let the song breathe so all of its parts can be heard. There’s plenty of exciting danceable rhythms in Dead and Company music. 0TEil plus Billy plus Jeff plus Mikey equals great rhythm. If you get confused listen to the music play.
I appreciate your opinion, but I strongly disagree. Fans want 9-24 minute versions of the songs at the tempo they were performed in the 70s with tons of improvisation, jamming, interludes, and teases. You don't get that with D&Slo. You get slow dances for 75 yr old couples.
I appreciate your opinion but a slower tempo is a slower tempo…deliberate or not. However, Dead & Co.(slo) is a great way for new or young fans to be able to see some of the original members onstage and playing.
It’s deliberately slow, including adding extra measures. Though often explained away as “letting the songs breathe,” etc, it’s clearly a result of diminishing endurance. Which is only natural! But pretending it doesn’t exist is silly.
To have come this far and now have creative differences? It's very strange. Much as I appreciate all those guys, I feel that when Phil stepped aside after the Fare Thee Well shows, there was not a lot of reason to keep following the Dead.
Thankfully we don't have to hear Phil sing. He ruined fare thee well concerts. Did he hold the band hostage saying if I don't get to sing most of the songs, I'm not playing
The songs are way too slow, they even slow doesn't ballads for crying out loud. Maybe it is because I am a guitar player, maybe it's because I love Jerry's vocals so much, or maybe it's because they drop tempo to half time on all the best songs, but I have yet to really enjoy a Dead and Company song. The show, the atmosphere, the nostalgia, LOve it. The music, sub par at best. BUT if they could play at tempo, they would have had a fighting chance. I blame Bob Weir for that, but who knows. Just thankful; I saw and experienced the real thing many times years ago.
It’s hard. I was so bored at a show last summer I left during the encore. Totally uninspired show. Love some of the Bobby songs but more than half the show is them slowing down Jerry songs. Once the swing and bounce is taking out of the songs they are ruined for me Thanks for comments and subscribe to my channel if you like Thanks Mike
The Dead & Company play too slow - Wishing Billy all the best! I was at the July 9, 1989 concert at the Meadowlands Stadium - a life high point - they were at their all time greatest - time flies!
I was at that Giants Stadium show. I took my younger brother on that whole tour. Did the lad a favor that impacted his life to this day. Loved the Brent years. Peace.
Being a deadhead since the 70ths and also a huge Bob Marley fan. I Wonder if anyone knows the Connection or how surprising tribute to reggae occured?? I love to hear the reggae bands playing my favorite rock n roll band like the Grateful Dead concert in Stockholm 1994 . And its still Rolling? Was Lesh among the Waldos in the 420 movements from the start? Anyone knows?
What's the deal with the name Summers in relation to Kreutzmann? Hank Harrison's book is actually very good. I'm not finished with it yet, but I don't see what all the fuss is about.
Bob and John both Libras The whole music got a little laid back libra like The natural antagonism between Jerry what is , Phil what if and Bob what will Oh boy they rocked
You hit the nail on the head with the last line. Jerry, Phil and Bob kept each other honest via their differences and the result was magic. Bob, in particular, needs that opposing force to bring him to a higher level. When he's on that level, he can rock as hard as the best of them. But without that opposing force, it's a big time downer.
The best Grateful Dead years were when Mickey Hart left the band in the 70s. Pigpen was great, but they didn't quite find their groove just yet during those years. They should have replaced Mickey with Brent (earlier) or went for a Pig-like keyboardist/vocalist.
@@kvl505 love the spring of 1977 tour. New Haven, Buffalo, Boston, Cornell. Englishtown 9/3/77. Peak stuff there. Thanks for watching and commenting :)
Mickey Hart is a drummer , Pig-Pen was an organist/keyboardist/harmonica/vocals . Brent was an organist/keyboardist/vocals . I was confused by your comment . Brent would not have replaced Mickey . No matter though because no body replaced or could replace Jerry .
Kinda think it's a bit bullshit...he committed to the tour and he couldn't buck up for 15 shows? We will probably never know but would love to hear the details cause it doesn't pass the sniff test.
I got into the Dead around 2020, as I was originally a John Mayer fan. I think D&C's best years were 2018-2019 (my personal fav is probably Citifield 2019). Since the pandemic, they really have become unbearably slow. I've heard plenty of Grateful Dead shows that were slower in tempo too, but not like this. On top of that, Bobby's playing and tone has been sloppy and weird. It makes sense that this is their final year... Cats are getting old.
Yes I went to Wrigley 2017 and it was phenomenal show. Seems slower now. Thanks for watching. Check out the channel and subscribe if you like it. Thanks Alex
It's a good time to park the bus. Just wish the core 4 could do one last go round together. Seen Deadco a lot and it's been a great ride. 2017 - 18 was their peak. I'll be in Chicago for the final fare thee well.
We may never know the real truth! Does not matter. How many bands have played more then the Dead? They are all millioners. " What a long stange trip its been " Ps. Yes! Be nice if Billy played maybe the last few shows with the Dead!
I get it. To each their own. I'm an old head and seen Deadco a lot. John has done an admirable job & they've put on some great shows. Nothing lasts forever.
Please reconsider. I am constantly amazed how Mayer has absorbed the essence of Jerry’s style! I can’t think of anyone else who could really do that. Nothing lasts forever and this is as close as we’re gonna get to the original.
@Dom Rapjak I've seen Further and listened quite well. Dark Star Orchestra's original lead player was the lead guitarist, but "leading" the band never really worked out with anyone..?! I see why Bobby said that the only way the Grateful Dead could move on without Jerry, "is if we had Eric Clapton or Steve Winwood". They needed someone already successful and confident enough to "Lead the band". I heard the first "Dead and Company" show at MSG (first time I see John Mayer is playing Lead, and thought "WTF..?! He's a Pop guitarist who plays for young girls and dates Celebrities!". "How and Why..?!"). Talk about confusion, lol! As I started listening to the show, I was pleasantly surprised. Mayer actually knew the songs and could Lead the band (Bobby will still "put on the breaks", at times, but John has become more and more of a leader). The 2nd Set of May 8, 2023 at Barton Hall the other day (Where they played "maybe" the best Grateful Dead show ever, on May 8th 1977..?!), which starts out with China/Rider, free on Nugs.net here on YT, is a great example of how this unit has really come together, and is highly recommended! I saw the Grateful Dead with Jerry, around 100 times probably, from 88'-95'..?! And no one could ever be Jerry. Never in a thousand years! Or infinity, lol! And it's still quite shocking, but Mayer has been able to lead the band..?! I didn't want to like John, but his playing (especially the last few tours) has been far above and beyond anything I could ever have expected from him, or anyone playing today. Forgive my rambling, please. "Let there be songs, to fill the air".👍⚡🎶✌️
Saw them 6 times during The "Pigpen" Years. Wonderful shows, wonderful times. 5 Times at Fillmore East in NYC. Don't know why they have slowed the arrangements down to such a slow pace. Maybe the anti-weed activists can say: "see, you slow down a bit when you are 80 if you keep smoking that stuff".
Billy didn't play Burgettstown last year and I was really looking forward to this year. I'm pretty saddened by this but still look forward to going mainly because I'll be with a few friends drinking a few beers and get to hear Bobby sing a couple of Grateful Dead songs.
Creative differences? After all these years? I am not really a fan of John Mayer joining them. For a few shows? Sure. Then to become a full on member? No thanks. John Mayer isn't "The Dead".
A guy on Ween reddit the other day said he was a taper and that Bill was a dick several times at Billy and the Kids, or maybe it was Seven Walkers shows to sound guys over the littlest things. Sucks to hear that. I met Mickey briefly after Phish Columbus 1999 at Nelson Ledges, and he was very pleasant. I'm not a sound guy though.
I met the band 2 times. First time when I was 14 they played at Princeton University in New Jersey, also in Philly at the Spectrum in the 1980's and smoked a fatty with Billy. Those guys we're always so nice to me way back then, especially at Princeton University as me being a grom at 14. My friend and I got to the auditorium when they were setting up their equipment at 4:30 in the afternoon. The whole band was so cool, and Pig pen was hilarious. They let me and my friend watch them practice and during the show that evening they let us sit on the stage. An experience I will never forget. When they closed Winterland in San Francisco. That was quite the concert to. My older brother took me to my first 🎶DEAD SHOW🎶at the Fillmore East when they were promoting their album Athem of the Sun back in 1967 or 68. I can't count how many show's i saw of the best jam band in the World and still feel that way today 2023 living here in Bali. Peace up all u 🎶DEAD HEADS🎶 Stevo in Bali. 🌴✌💕🏄🏄🏄🏄💕✌🌴
I'm with you...kind of weird...creative differences on a final tour...it's like go, get it done, and move on from there. Curiously, I did have a friend of mine tell me that he wasn't keen on Weir's playing lately thinking everything was just too slow tempo...I'm only a casual observer so don't hyper-follow these guys around, but whatever the reason it seems to me the right thing to do would be to finish up with the band you are a part of and go off in any direction you want after that.
Apparently, Billy microdoses for every show. He said it "removes all judgement." Well, eventually judgement comes a knocking because that's what a consciousness does. He wouldn't be the first person to sober up too late and then try and change directions. It's happened to me more times than I can count.
@@gratefulkm Well either way. Playing high changes your perceptions is my point. Even so, Billy is on to his next project and I am sure that it will be good, knowing his general approach to the music. Bob will eventually take on another project and I hope that it will be something that adequately represents his talents.
It has to be they play somewhat slow songs to begin with at 30-40% speed now. Drummers are hyper and don't want to slow down. I saw them do Shakedown Street and the speed limit was 25 lol
I got tired of Dead and Company really quick. Mayers lack of knowledge of the bands repertoire got very repetitive so if Bill is like me he probably just doesn’t want to play Terrapin every night for another tour.
this is sad. Jay Lane held things down pretty well on short notice. I just hope they are all happy in whatever they choose. One quick thought I had was, "was he fired?" There have been some issues with the drumming but nothing horrible.
I don’t think he was fired. He has his own project called Billy and the Kids and I think he likes doing that. It’s a little spunkier and fun for him. At his age I think he just wants to be happy and do what he wants
@@Intersectionrecordsstl Yeah I love Billy and the Kids. It does seem to be a bit higher beats per minute. I have been to a lot of D&C shows and Billy is always having a pretty good time. I haven't seen Billy and the Kids live except video on YT but it does seem he finds the Billy and the Kids show to be even more satisfying
It’s all about the money in some fashion or form. It always has been since they started getting a big audience in the 70s. Yes they loved it but as the years go by it’s about the money. How much is out there , how much is enough, what’s everybody getting ….my manager is in charge, no mine is ….
I think it’s fucking great at their age they still want the freedom to do their thing to keep the music going!!!!! It is sad last tour but you got to be free.🤙🔥 “The Music Never Stops” 😎✌️
I saw 2 of the recent shows, one at Citi Field and one at Fenway. The tempo at Citi was upsetting to say the least. The opening 4 songs, Shakedown, Bertha, Ramble on Rose, and Dancing in the street were played so slowly I didn't even get out of my seat. The crowd around me must have felt the same way because no one was really moving. If I saw a setlist with those 4 as openers I'd think it was a truly rocking show. This was the opposite. Put me in a shitty mood to boot. The UJB in the second set was painful to listen to. There were some bright spots but I find the whole thing predictable except for the setlist and that's not the reason I started this journey. Fenway was slightly better but Help>Slip was also a crawl. They made sure this was the last tour. I'm done. I'd rather see JRAD or Dark Star and opt for energy.
Jeff it ruins everything when the tempo is slow. The reason you and everyone are there is to dance to a swinging groove. Once the swing is gone..then what? Gets awkward. I saw large group of people sitting during 2nd set of Wrigley June 9. Bizarre
Correction, it’s not Dead & Slow. It’ Slow & Company! I agree with your theories. It’s been a wonderful run and I’m thankful for DeadCo, but watching a recent video with Billy and the kids and with Cosmic Country I was saying to myself, is this the same Bill K I saw with DeadCo? I mean, it was like he’s back! The drummer I remember operating a faster more open pace. So perhaps there's something to it, DeadCo not being a good fit for his musical energy anymore. Glad he’s branching out to help spread Grateful Dead energy and inspiration in a different context. This is all about moving on and allowing a new generation of musicians to have an opportunity to play music with a Grateful Dead member and to experience the energy. We are fortunate the remaining members are committed to spreading the magic in their later years. For what it's worth, out of all the iterations for GD music, i likely stand alone when I say, it thought Further was the best - for me. They really explored the GD catalog. Thanks for the video!
I feel yall on the slow tempos...theres a versions of Cumberland Blues 6.29.18 that is uptempo and Mayer and the rest of the band just cook the whole time...not sure why it slowed down. but man when this crew is on they kill.
I lost interest when Jerry died. He was the genius. I'll still go see them occasionally, although its been a few years now, but I never play anything post-Jerry.
The band “Was Slow n Co” not Dead n Slow. That said at the Forum Slow n Co didn’t show. It was high quality high energy and the best I’ve ever heard Dead n Co sound. I’ve only been seeing The Dead and permutations since 1978.
good to hear. i have two shows next week. Missouri and Wrigley. should be cool. ill post reviews of both. thanks for watching and subscribe if you like my content
Couldnt hang with Slo&Co...idk what it was..Mayer sermed like it was such an effort for him Billy & the kidz Rock so im not sorry Billy wants to do his thing ..he has always been a maverick and ssid he likes to play more up beat like Hey Pockey Way being one of his favorite jams..so im surprised he didnt do this sooner..let Billy do Billy and Wir do Weir ..and Mickey.. He will.be in insteller space somewhere
The whole tempo thing is Bobby...Phil's band has no tempo problems and Billy and the Kids were blazing Dead and Co..have slowed down Jack Straw to a crawl..same with Cassidy and others..Passenger is awful....
@@thomasarmbruster1743 nice Tom. I’m at Manchester and Lindbergh. Watson is most famously Route 66 but for a period of years in the 1930’s Manchester was Route 66. Thanks for watching the channel Tom
@@Intersectionrecordsstl that's probably even closer. I was aware of that old hwy 100 route. I gre up just off Manchester between Sappington and Berry. Let me guess (although I'm probably wrong) you're in one of the late great car dealerships. Probably waaay too much land for your uses, tho.
He cannot keep up physically anymore. I've seen him on oxygen at shows. Listen to Bill playing on the Skull & Roses LP and compare that wonderful energy with the sleepy pace they have today.
I haven’t heard him yet. I guess they are playing Barton Hall at Cornell on Monday. Check it out live on Sirius. Thanks for watching my show and please subscribe if you want:)
It's pretty weak but oh well. Is it Bobby that wants Dead & Co. so slow? Seems petty not to give the fans what they want. But hey, Phil isn't there for a reason as well.
Phill wants to play out his days with his son. Can't blame him one bit. Phil doesn't like to travel much anymore. That happens when you are 83. That in itself is amazing.
@@GiantSFaithfuL not a full grueling tour. But keep arguing because you want it to be something negative instead of he wants to play w his son in his own band.
whats going on Rob. thanks for watching and commenting. i did the premium package last night. i think they call it "Steal Your Face" package. strong show. mind blowing Eyes. I just posted a recap on my channel. check the channel out and subscribe if you like. i do shows every day. Heading to Wrigley for tomorrows show
Billy is thee drummer of the grateful dead
If the Barton Hall was ANY indicator, its that they do realize the music has slowed down maybe too much. I hope they keep the same Barton energy throughout the tour. My biggest complaint(if you can call it that) is that theyre playing too slow and losing the original energy of the songs. Im glad many people feel the way i do and i hope the band is taking that to heart during this final tour. Seeing them in Dallas on the 26th. Itll be bittersweet as it is so i hope the energy is there.
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@@Intersectionrecordsstl Sorry,...but the pace is still horrid, like slow nails on the musical chalkboard!
I hear you brother. I’ve been bitchin about the tempo for years. They play every song at Row Jimmy tempo. I want to be able to have to catch my breath between songs and have my legs feel like wet noodles the next day. I said I wasn’t going to any shows this year if they didn’t pick it up but I was talking out my ass. Let’s keep our fingers crossed. See ya on tour!!!!
@@timruth8767 This year I saw the shows at Citizens Bank in Philadelphia and the two shows at Citifield. With Jay Lane taking over for Billy, the pace of the music is a lot faster. Last year when Jay filled in for Billy, the pace of the music was so much faster. I love Billy but Jay has improved the tempo to where it should be. Be Kind
Loved Billy for the last 49 years but Dead and Company with Jay has a much better tempo
It is, what it is. Kreutzmann's arrangements are superior to Dead and Co, as well as the music itself. Lesh and Kreutzmann do the Dead sound in a more energetic musical manner. And, after almost 60 years it becomes time to do your own thing. You don't live forever. I've enjoyed the Dead since late '65 as the Warlocks and as far as I'm concerned their longevity is really a miracle. My friends and I talked about which band would last the most. Everybody said it would not be the Dead because they were the craziest. We didn't know shit.
do you have some crazy stories of the Dead of the 60s and 70s for us?
"creative differences" = Billy wanted to be creative
If you were 70 plus, would you still have the passion and desire to endure the road just to spread music and joy to others? This is their LIFE. I don't mind hearing how it feels in the end. More power to them each to follow their desire.
There's a way to play a double time within a slower time. Bill Kreutzmann knows that. We've spoken. I wish Bill, a real gentleman, all the best for all the fabulous times we spent together drumming!
Seems like you just HAD TO let people know that you and Kreutzmann "had talked". Yet your handle is exactly how he refers to himself. "Bill the drummer". Obsessed fan, maybe?
The BArton hall show was the best DnC show in years as the energy was there. Dead N Slow has been my name for this band. When I saw them last, the Shakedown Street was so slow i dont know how you could even dance to it and the whole show was like that and its not just that one show i went to. They have had no energy and the songs become stale. Also the song list has not extended very much. New songs that are brought in dont sound practiced at all, kinda winging it. WHen tickets cost this much, gotta come somewhat prepared. But i didnt think they would up the tempo, but they did FINALLY at the Barton Hall show. But whats weird is Billys show in N.O. had energy as well. So im not sure who is causing the slow down. I think its Bobby as he has been slowing these songs to a crawl for years and he does this with Wolf Bros. I use to see members of the dead all over and they brought energy. Now i could sleep thru half the show. So i stopped going to see them. I can get my Dead kick from other members projects and what not. Go see Melvin, he brings the energy. Go see JRAD, or go see Phil. Im shocked that Phil (on his 2nd liver) brings more energy than DnC had been up until this Barton show. But im not sold on this tempo continuing on thru the tour. Yeah these guys are getting older, but as i said Phil has no problems playing these songs in the correct tempo, and outside of DnC Billy doesnt either. Listen to Billy and the Kids, wowzA. So the only member that imho has done this tempo crap is Bobby. I think he must have lost a bet because he cant keep up with this pace very well. Really listen to his playing from the BARTON hall show. Its in and out, i think Bobbys LSD intake over the years has caught up to him and there are shows where hes great and others ive seen recently where i swear he needs guitar lessons haha and someone to tune his guitar properly. I remember at Lockn one year it was so bad with Bobbys guitar. HE was playing out of tune and didnt seem to realize it and it was just noise on top of everything else. I love the dead and the music and hey they are still dojng it so be happy we still got this happening. But there are so many options for a Dead fix and spending less $ at the same time and going to more intimate venues with better sound. Rather go to the Beacon Theatre than Fendway park ! Also ive seen a change in the audience since DnC really took off. I was at SPAC oe year and i got there with 50 hits of acid to sell before the show. It took me 6 hours to sell 50 hits at a DnC show ! It was all college frat kids and shit. Like DMB crowd has become DnC crowd a lot of over privledged kids with no manners or respect to the elders. Ive seen lots of negative shit from the lot scenes and its sad. But thats what happens when you try to reinvent the Dead and come up with someone like Mayer to play guitar. Ya got crowds that dont mix. In all my years of going to Dead related shows ive NEVER quite seen what i have the last few years of DnC. I am not wasting my $ to walk out disappointed and depressed by the product thats being delivered. I honestly felt so depressed leaving the last DnC show i went to (Hartford) that i couldnt even listen to the Dead for a little whole. The crowd, the band on a large scale is not my scene anymore. SO for yall going to DnC have a good time, but keep your eyes out for members of JGB, Furthur, Ratdog etc who tour for much less, bring the energy and keep control over the crowd better. The sound is #1 thing for me and these stadium shows suck, stay home and listen to a live show imho makes more sense than spending $500 total to go see them. I remember when Ratdog toured every year and we would go see 40+ shows at $20-30 a ticket. GDTStoo still existed. But sorry to say there has been a serious selling out by the members of the Dead in recent years that is not cool to me. Our unique crowd has been infiltraited by people who dont respect the elders. Sorry rant over. I could care less if anyone takes what i said the wrong way, i know denial is a tricky thing to admit haha! Kinda like people who think any guitar that says Gibson on it is the best thing since sliced bread. I am glad folks who never got to see members of the Dead have gotten their chances, but when i go into the dead as a youngin I followed the lead of the elders, now its know it all kids with no clue what they are talking about and violence and this hippy thug movement is sad.
Well said.
Don't blame his tripping, that wasn't his drug(s) of choice. When they(D&C) started, it felt better than FTW had but I expected some slowness as Ratdog was pretty slow in 2014. Jack Straw was almost painful to hear but other songs seemed to open new pathways with slower tempos. Depends on the song and show and tour. 50 hits? Back in the day, I would have bought that in 5 seconds for the right price and quality and then if good, hoped for more. Saw Phish on a Campus in a College town in '99, arrived too late for any lot scene. Inside the show, it was like "drunk frat boy--idiot convention" complete with puke and piss and whiskey pints all over. The next night, few hours away in a town known for more than a big university system, doses were flowing and music was great and most cover tunes I'd heard them play outside of those old Halloween shows. Literally ran right into the band after the show. We didn't even think about the tour bus, we were just floating along when the door of the arena flew open 3 times like flippers on an old pinball game.
I don't expect the tempo at their age, I'm younger than everyone except John M. (I think anyhow), and I'm in slow motion these last 5-10 years but when I started listening to them, Jerry was still in his upper 30s. I listened to a lot of metal and hard-core punk, and I was amazed by how "these old guys" played. I'd rather hear them a little slower than not at all. I mean, I really wish we never aged past 40 but I think we would have surpassed standing room long ago if aging or death didn't take us.
Deadhead from 1977-1995. Dead and Company play Bob Weir's own tunes well, but when they try and do a Jerry Garcia song it's cringeworthy! Friends who toured with me during my Deadhead days tend to agree. Jerry carried any band he played in, and when you take away virtuosos like Phil and Billy, it's not worthy of the name "Dead"! But if you had never seen Jerry with the Dead or with JGB you won't know what you're missing! Ignorance is bliss. Dead Slow & Co. for sure!
Bobby played the time in the Grateful Dead. Billy's philosophy was "the one is where you find it" and Phil never liked to play root notes. Jay is a much tighter drummer. Who keeps a steady groove. Matt Busch himself said the music wasn't actually faster with Jay based on BPM, but it felt that way because Billy's a swing drummer and Jay plays tighter and more funky. I found Dead & Co better with Billy when they were on because the jams were way more creative than interesting but that wasn't close to every show. They're much more consistent with Jay but don't reach the same peaks, specifically on the stuff like dark Star, the other one and the BALLADS. I don't mind a slow tempo a lot of my favorite GD years are the slower ones (70, 73, 76, etc) because I find the music emotionally deeper when it's more patient but there's a balance
Billy’s supple and crisp one-handed roll has always been the snap in the Dead’s groove. Irreplaceable. It makes total sense for him to feel creatively stifled in slower arrangements.
Really well put Bob. Thanks for the comment.
"one-handed roll"?? Are you actually a drummer? I am, and haven't the faintest idea as to what you mean. Yes, he was their backbone, but they certainly don't have remotely the same groove as they had years ago. Weir dictates the tempos I believe, and apparently he likes it slooooooow.
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When your NOT creating,..your stifling the flow and the creative source isn't present. There is something alive about the grateful dead which may not be within the D& C..yet it's Beautiful & lovely to hear Bob Weir singing. If you have those two drummers it's some kinda wonderful. Maybe a trio..acoustic trio ..?
Take a deep breath
Got to hang with Bill at a 7 walkers show too super cool!! Billy and the kids seems to be more up his alley at this point. More power to ya Kreutz!!
It’s a damn shame that billy, bob, Mickey, and Phil aren’t playing together, I saw Bobby and Phil play a few times together at lockn and also the duo and it was fantastic they should all be playing together still.
Phils bass is so key to the sound. It’s amazing how much Phil and Bobby did play together. 30 years of GD, 3 years of Other Ones, 3 Years of The Dead, 5 years of Further plus 2015 reunion and the duo shows. I agree would be wonderful if Phil and Bobby played together again.
Were you at Lockn 2016? It's the only one I've done and it was spectacular.
@@illuminotmereloaded6896 it was lockn 2017 that I was at, you might be thinking of the same year I think phish was there in 2016 though.
@@vladimirrienas5546 Nope. Phish, Ween, who were the highlight, Phil, JRAD….I guess Bob wasn’t there. Cheers mate!
@@illuminotmereloaded6896 I was not there but I know that was an amazing festival
FYI- Billy wrote the farewell note
As a longtime Dead fan since 68 the last couple times I saw Dead and Company it was underwhelming. I’m thinking of seeing them in a few weeks for the last time . Earlier this afternoon I saw two songs from New Orleans and it was a turn off . I don’t want to be negative but facts are facts. Bobby and Mickey are getting older and understandably are slowing down. I’m 71 and it’s jus a reality of getting older .
I’d actually prefer if they played shorter times but be more energetic.
Nothing lasts forever and I’m glad they’ve finally decided to end the big tours . It’s an end to the long strange trip and it has been fun .
Okay fair enough , but they should have ended this long ago . They jumped the shark big time .
The band was very fast and energetic in 1968, D&C must be jarring in comparison
Dead and co has always been a joke.
I mean the originals are getting quite older to tour, and the younger, wonderful caretakers Mayer and Burbridge, have been doing it over 10 years, or about half of their adult lives. It's winding down and it's been an awesome throwback of curated vibes. I thank everyone involved in it.
@@Kwedeekhapo That's going too far but for me as an after the fact Dead follower there is just no reason to watch it when there are so many fantastic GD shows preserved to listen to.
Billy and the Kids is a freakin' great band!!!
✌💀👍🎸🎼🎵🎶🌹⚡
I need to see them. Thanks for watching
Meh, I’m less sold on Billy w them. I don’t like his competitive energy on stage w that kind of music.
Saw Seven Walkers at OCF a few years back- they were awesome.
This past Thursday the 27th of April at the Saenger New Orleans was the happiest I've seen Billy since 7 Walkers with Papa Mali and George porter Jr. everyone is tired of Jack Straw at half tempo, Bobby !!!
@@hammertime714 love George Porter Jr playing. Yes the Slow ruins it for me. Billy should do what he wants
@@Intersectionrecordsstl The tempo was much better last night.
I'm kind of glad. I love Billy but being a drummer myself I always noticed in these recent years his drumming is kind of clunky and out of time which affects the overall music for me. Whenever the other guy replaced him in the last tour the music sounded so much more tight and enjoyable. God bless you Bill and thank you!
Jay Lane is the fill in. Thanks for watching
Maybe a bit, but nothing like the stumbling clunk that is modern Mickey Hart. Yikes. Don’t think those gloves are helping him much.
@@oceantree5000 hahahahhah. I hear you
Agreed.
I first really noticed on that Fare Thee Well that the Rythym Devils were really weak. Not sure if that happened slowly over years I hadn’t been paying attention. I saw them in 2000 and they were good. Billy especially was just like old times. But a lot of years suddenly went by and that 2015 stuff was like oh dear.
A long time on the road if you are not 100% into it. At his age he didn’t want to run that marathon. It’s all good 😃
I think you are right. Been there and done it all.
It's ok. They've all put their time in. Nothing lasts forever. It will be bittersweet to hear these songs played one more time with our tribe all together. NFA ⚘️
My favorite era was the 70s🎉
1972-74 is the sweet spot. In my opinion. 1977 was also a year of epic performances.
Different era's. The 80s were an amazing time for the music as well.
Billy also sat in with Daniel Donato's Cosmic Country and they played an outstanding 45 min Dark Star. Highly suggest checking that out. You could tell he was much more motivated and in the zone playing with the young fellas!🤠
Planning on seeing them at Philly and I’ve never seen D &Co. before. I’m an old head and just want to say goodbye. Wish Billy and Phil could be there.
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When I first heard about Bill leaving my first thought was Billy and the Kids. I would love to see them live. I can dance to that.
* As a drummer myself, I'm guessing he wants to play a faster tempo and be more involved. 🤷🏻♂️
Me too that Red Rocks show with Billy Strings was amazing
Yes I think you are right!! It’s his baby
Billy and the Kids doesn't play much faster.
He’s the reason for the slow tempos, listen to last night Jay lane much more pocket and tight, and faster bpm
@@Steelemen here is my review from last night. Thanks for watching Briann and please subscribe if you like. th-cam.com/video/KR6ffn_7NWg/w-d-xo.html
This news is a lot less sad if you caught the Cornell ‘23 show last night. “Dead & Slow” was very much Alive and Energetic. Jay is a great fit and brought a much needed dose of life to the whole band. Bill needs to stick with the Kids and let Jay take it forward with whatever progression of the band comes next.
I mean I guess. Billy can play as slow or fast as Bobby calls out.
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@@litedawg True, but Jay brings energy that seems to enervate the band.
They need to speed this up..I seen the dead numerous and its nothing like DEAD N SLOW...IT NEEDS TO GO BACK OLD DAYS
@@deadhead4206 They are older now, can't go back to the physical facility they had with their instruments decades ago. Phil's band tries and he can't keep up.
Yep, it's the inexplicable slowdown of most of the great tunes. Any explanation ever offered?
Guess it give Weir more time and space to load up for a vocal. Ruins some of the songs. Thanks for watching. Subscribe to my channel if you like the content
Billy doesn't want to play the glacial tempos imposed by Bobby. He wants to play some freaking rock and roll at appropriate tempos.
Ah, that must be why the pace has picked up considerably with him gone.
He got tired of playing Cold Rain and Slow, and Slowdown Palace. Or songs like Box of Drizzle, Limpdown Street, Chinacat Slowflower, and I Slow You Rider. Or, maybe it was songs like The Race Is Off, Peggy-Oh-so Slow, or Slowing Stones or One Slow Saturday Night.
Hhahaha. Yep.
I Slow You Rider 😂
@@Twotontessie hahahaha
@Rusty Cuyler hahahhahahah
Hmm playing with Tom Hamilton or John Mayer, lol.... he looked pretty happy last night.
Nice!!! Can’t wait to hear from last night. Thanks Kevin!!
I’m surprised he didn’t bail w Phil. That’s a sweet boogie amp…
I've had the privelege of attending 4 Dead & Company shows during the past three years - 2 in Phoenix, 1 at Bethel Woods, first of three final shows at SF. I'm kind of over sad reviewers who can't take the fast / slow dynamics. They get bored. The band dragged through the first half of whatever song.. Both of which I've read in the past few minutes. Oh, that song was in the wrong place in the show. Oh, that was a lackluster song to open with. I'm just so thankful and enriched that I had this opportunity to enjoy this wonderful band carrying on the legacy and making this great music available for a few more years. Let the music play.
Dead & Co can create magic, momentum, and peak moments if you attend live - but listening online does sound slow I admit
That's right when you are there live, there's nothing slow about it.
Personally, I never listen to anything post-Jerry.
Yup. Weir thinks making the songs drag is somehow evolutionary/ interpretive. No. Just boring. Tempo is a KEY component to groove and The Grateful Dead were masters at groove. They were not always consistent but, on the best shows, the tempo was where it ought to be. Of course this is a subjective thing, but you can tell by people's reaction whether a groove is working or not. The human body reacts. It knows. Weir, of all people, should know this.
Slowing a song down can be interesting for an alternate interpretation of a given piece, but not ALL songs will benefit from this treatment. The most drastic casualty is the loss of FUN!
A terrible loss to lose Kreutzmann.
Probably the best comment yet! Thanks Barnaby
Maybe he has just had it with touring. Billy and the Kids are doing shows here and there but I don't they're doing full on tours.
I gotta say.... at first I didn't mind the slow approach. But, it can get deadly, and I miss the old tempos.
Truckin at 3bpm wasnt cutting it for Bill. The way they chug along is tiresome.
Yep. I agree
I don’t know man. It seems like in today’s “all things polarized” world, there is an urge to pick a side (speaking for myself). But in the end I hope they all find the creative groove that brings them joy. I’m grateful for all of them.
Well put Chris!!
Well said dude, thought the same thing.. I’m just gonna support both parties and enjoy the music. Screw the divisive stuff
Amen brother
Good point. It seems like all the members feel more comfortable going in their own directions and interpreting the music as they see fit. And that's fine. People want the all or nothing thing, but sometimes the world doesn't work in that way.
@@ronschaffer5959 that’s a good point. Case in point I saw Jon Anderson and the Band Geeks Tuesday night. It was like Yes from 1973. But people want to bash it cause Steve Howe not involved or Squire or Bruford. It was incredible. Here is my review
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If last nights show is any indication the band has a new lease in life with Jay.
Here’s my thoughts on last night
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He's an excellent drummer. Not to mention playing Dead music w Bobby close to 30 years
I was born two months before Jerry passed away. I’ve only ever had archive recordings of the Grateful Dead. I’ve got a lot of respect for Bob, Bill, Mickey, Jeff, Otiel, and John. Dead and Co. was always a day late and a buck short for me. Never quite had the same mind blowing sequences the Grateful Dead were able to achieve. Might be controversial, but in my opinion JRAD does a better job at emulating what peak Dead were able to do better than Dead and Co. ever could.
Slow slower slowest. They arent stopping they are just grinding to a halt.
i've been catching a couple concerts every tour, this was the best tour for sure at least the shows i went to, i went to the shows at the gorge and i was impressed, it was great, they didn't need him
Awesome!! I’ve never been to the Gorge. On bucket list! Hope you get to see more shows in future. I assume there will be more to come from D&C!! Thanks again Ricky
Have u heard Bobby lately? I think this last D&C tour is gonna b lit!!
Seems like Bobby has a renewed energy, they killed it last night at Barton Hall!!
@@BillTheButcher79 On Fire Last Night Fer sure! Johnny boy quit the band and Bobby stated there will be another inflection so lets see how it all shakes out
Off Topic or is it -What's Up with Weir now attending the Bohemian Grove thingy ? (Those attending former meetings included Ernest Lawrence, J. Robert Oppenheimer, the S-1 Executive Committee heads, such as the presidents of Harvard, Yale, and Princeton, along with representatives of Standard Oil and General Electric as well as various military officials & Ronald Reagan & Richard Nixon )
Not sure. Doesn’t sound like a fun bunch to me.
This is old news. I figured people would find new ways to try to villify Bobby Weir.
PS:
None of these lead guitar players since
Jerry died have got his tone down at all.
They can play his notes just perfectly
But the TONE from
ALL OF THEM ......is just not THERE.
Seeing him play up CLOSE in
March 1975 in the KEZAR STADIUM for the
SNACK Festival for the disadvantaged youth .....
I could clearly see his SECRET
his amazing un orthodox picking technique actually his own hybrid style.
But, most significantly his propensity
To hang around the TWELVTH FRET.
HIS CRYSTAL CLEAR TONE IN THE BANJO
RANGES HE LOVED.
HIS SUSTAIN AND HANDS WERE UTERRLY UNIQUE.
And, Nobody has really tackled that YET.
A different drummer isn't going to cover for that Kabuki Theatre at Cornell last night. How much $$ is Enough Bobby ???
Dead and Co is not slow, It’s deliberate. They pulled 61 seconds out of a minute. People seem to be in quite a rush for each of these songs to end. It makes sense to let the song breathe so all of its parts can be heard. There’s plenty of exciting danceable rhythms in Dead and Company music. 0TEil plus Billy plus Jeff plus Mikey equals great rhythm. If you get confused listen to the music play.
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I appreciate your opinion, but I strongly disagree. Fans want 9-24 minute versions of the songs at the tempo they were performed in the 70s with tons of improvisation, jamming, interludes, and teases. You don't get that with D&Slo. You get slow dances for 75 yr old couples.
I guess Billy is confused then
I appreciate your opinion but a slower tempo is a slower tempo…deliberate or not. However, Dead & Co.(slo) is a great way for new or young fans to be able to see some of the original members onstage and playing.
It’s deliberately slow, including adding extra measures. Though often explained away as “letting the songs breathe,” etc, it’s clearly a result of diminishing endurance. Which is only natural! But pretending it doesn’t exist is silly.
They’re better off with Jay, tempos and energy where it needs to be
Last night at Cornell had some high energy moments
Here is my review from last night at Cornell
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To have come this far and now have creative differences? It's very strange. Much as I appreciate all those guys, I feel that when Phil stepped aside after the Fare Thee Well shows, there was not a lot of reason to keep following the Dead.
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Thankfully we don't have to hear Phil sing. He ruined fare thee well concerts. Did he hold the band hostage saying if I don't get to sing most of the songs, I'm not playing
I was going to get tickets, but ive seen enough 😊
The songs are way too slow, they even slow doesn't ballads for crying out loud. Maybe it is because I am a guitar player, maybe it's because I love Jerry's vocals so much, or maybe it's because they drop tempo to half time on all the best songs, but I have yet to really enjoy a Dead and Company song. The show, the atmosphere, the nostalgia, LOve it. The music, sub par at best. BUT if they could play at tempo, they would have had a fighting chance. I blame Bob Weir for that, but who knows. Just thankful; I saw and experienced the real thing many times years ago.
It’s hard. I was so bored at a show last summer I left during the encore. Totally uninspired show. Love some of the Bobby songs but more than half the show is them slowing down Jerry songs. Once the swing and bounce is taking out of the songs they are ruined for me
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no one has the talent of garcia; that’s the issue. certainly not bob weir
The Dead & Company play too slow - Wishing Billy all the best! I was at the July 9, 1989 concert at the Meadowlands Stadium - a life high point - they were at their all time greatest - time flies!
They were not at their all time greatest in 1989. No dead head believes that...well not many.
You mean Giants Stadium or Brendan Byrne?
@@johngrywalski1128 Giants Stadium
I was at that Giants Stadium show. I took my younger brother on that whole tour. Did the lad a favor that impacted his life to this day. Loved the Brent years. Peace.
Being a deadhead since the 70ths and also a huge Bob Marley fan. I Wonder if anyone knows the Connection or how surprising tribute to reggae occured?? I love to hear the reggae bands playing my favorite rock n roll band like the Grateful Dead concert in Stockholm 1994 . And its still Rolling? Was Lesh among the Waldos in the 420 movements from the start? Anyone knows?
JRAD is how I get my fix.
love it. JRAD brings it
They are just done......Age catches up and you're not gonna get that really engaging speed and ingenuity after decades.
Yes. I’m gonna tune into the Barton Hall show tonight on XM and see what they sound like
What's the deal with the name Summers in relation to Kreutzmann? Hank Harrison's book is actually very good. I'm not finished with it yet, but I don't see what all the fuss is about.
Dead and Co. needs more pep in their step!
The tempos are just excruciating. It's all Weir can play at this point.
If & until we hear anything more about it from the band directly anything else is pure speculation
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Bob and John both Libras
The whole music got a little laid back libra like
The natural antagonism between Jerry what is , Phil what if and Bob what will Oh boy they rocked
You hit the nail on the head with the last line. Jerry, Phil and Bob kept each other honest via their differences and the result was magic. Bob, in particular, needs that opposing force to bring him to a higher level. When he's on that level, he can rock as hard as the best of them. But without that opposing force, it's a big time downer.
Billy. Maybe he finally got done with being under the toolage of Mickey. Let's see some Billy and the Kids shows!
Just seen them two nights ago.i thought it was pretty slow,but when it hit ,it hit,i just wish there was more awesome moments
"Final Tour" good one. Saw them at NOLA Jazz Fest last week and they were great
The best Grateful Dead years were when Mickey Hart left the band in the 70s. Pigpen was great, but they didn't quite find their groove just yet during those years. They should have replaced Mickey with Brent (earlier) or went for a Pig-like keyboardist/vocalist.
Those were great years
That kind of nebulous statement. Should have, would have, could have. Have you ever listen to 1977??
@@kvl505 love the spring of 1977 tour. New Haven, Buffalo, Boston, Cornell. Englishtown 9/3/77. Peak stuff there. Thanks for watching and commenting :)
Mickey Hart is a drummer , Pig-Pen was an organist/keyboardist/harmonica/vocals . Brent was an organist/keyboardist/vocals . I was confused by your comment . Brent would not have replaced Mickey . No matter though because no body replaced or could replace Jerry .
@@timc333 I am aware of the full history of bandmates in the GD.
Bring back Phil, and maybe, just maybe I'll consider going when they come back to my town.
Total bummer with that decision. Billy and Phil should all be playing together. Don't understand why?
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Especially Billy. Wait till last minute to make announcement after many dates are sold out. Not the right thing to do. Thanks for watching
Kinda think it's a bit bullshit...he committed to the tour and he couldn't buck up for 15 shows? We will probably never know but would love to hear the details cause it doesn't pass the sniff test.
Yes wait till 2 weeks before shows to announce it. Thanks for watching
I got into the Dead around 2020, as I was originally a John Mayer fan. I think D&C's best years were 2018-2019 (my personal fav is probably Citifield 2019). Since the pandemic, they really have become unbearably slow. I've heard plenty of Grateful Dead shows that were slower in tempo too, but not like this. On top of that, Bobby's playing and tone has been sloppy and weird. It makes sense that this is their final year... Cats are getting old.
Yes I went to Wrigley 2017 and it was phenomenal show. Seems slower now. Thanks for watching. Check out the channel and subscribe if you like it. Thanks Alex
It's a good time to park the bus. Just wish the core 4 could do one last go round together. Seen Deadco a lot and it's been a great ride. 2017 - 18 was their peak. I'll be in Chicago for the final fare thee well.
@@deadreckoning6288 Wrigley 2017 was a magnificent show. Want to say it was 7/1/17
Time for Mayer to move on eventually?
2016-2017 would be my pick for best period of D&C. Bobby's voice has been steadily failing since.
#neverboring 🌻 Thank you. Love is Real. 😘
We may never know the real truth! Does not matter. How many bands have played more then the Dead? They are all millioners. " What a long stange trip its been " Ps. Yes! Be nice if Billy played maybe the last few shows with the Dead!
Dead & Co. pissed off their Musses , I do not expect this tour to be very good at all , they decided to go the wrong path .
@@timc333 if they keep playing like they did last night it’s gonna be a banger
I am a dead head who refused to see a show with Mayer. That happened to me.
I get it. To each their own. I'm an old head and seen Deadco a lot. John has done an admirable job & they've put on some great shows. Nothing lasts forever.
Please reconsider. I am constantly amazed how Mayer has absorbed the essence of Jerry’s style! I can’t think of anyone else who could really do that. Nothing lasts forever and this is as close as we’re gonna get to the original.
@Dom Rapjak I've seen Further and listened quite well. Dark Star Orchestra's original lead player was the lead guitarist, but "leading" the band never really worked out with anyone..?! I see why Bobby said that the only way the Grateful Dead could move on without Jerry, "is if we had Eric Clapton or Steve Winwood".
They needed someone already successful and confident enough to "Lead the band". I heard the first "Dead and Company" show at MSG (first time I see John Mayer is playing Lead, and thought "WTF..?! He's a Pop guitarist who plays for young girls and dates Celebrities!". "How and Why..?!"). Talk about confusion, lol!
As I started listening to the show, I was pleasantly surprised. Mayer actually knew the songs and could Lead the band (Bobby will still "put on the breaks", at times, but John has become more and more of a leader).
The 2nd Set of May 8, 2023 at Barton Hall the other day (Where they played "maybe" the best Grateful Dead show ever, on May 8th 1977..?!), which starts out with China/Rider, free on Nugs.net here on YT, is a great example of how this unit has really come together, and is highly recommended!
I saw the Grateful Dead with Jerry, around 100 times probably, from 88'-95'..?! And no one could ever be Jerry. Never in a thousand years! Or infinity, lol!
And it's still quite shocking, but Mayer has been able to lead the band..?! I didn't want to like John, but his playing (especially the last few tours) has been far above and beyond anything I could ever have expected from him, or anyone playing today.
Forgive my rambling, please. "Let there be songs, to fill the air".👍⚡🎶✌️
I’ve seen a dozen dead and co shows but it just isn’t the same. It’s inundated of like a cover band to me.
@Dom Rapjak john mayer opened the Deads music to a whole new audience. That was the point. Duh.
Saw them 6 times during The "Pigpen" Years. Wonderful shows, wonderful times. 5 Times at Fillmore East in NYC. Don't know why they have slowed the arrangements down to such a slow pace. Maybe the anti-weed activists can say: "see, you slow down a bit when you are 80 if you keep smoking that stuff".
Love that you saw those Fillmore East show!! Thanks for watching Ed. Have a good one!!
Billy didn't play Burgettstown last year and I was really looking forward to this year. I'm pretty saddened by this but still look forward to going mainly because I'll be with a few friends drinking a few beers and get to hear Bobby sing a couple of Grateful Dead songs.
Yes would have liked to start and finish this last tour. Have a great Burgettstown show
Man Bob isn't worth it .
@@timc333 at least you're not crying about his politics like a damn snowflake
It's because of Bobby's strumming ruins the entire deal
What is up with the strumming and weird whining noise from his guitar?
@@Intersectionrecordsstl totally out of tune, nugs cuts most of it out on the stream but live its pretty unbearable
Creative differences? After all these years?
I am not really a fan of John Mayer joining them. For a few shows? Sure. Then to become a full on member? No thanks. John Mayer isn't "The Dead".
A guy on Ween reddit the other day said he was a taper and that Bill was a dick several times at Billy and the Kids, or maybe it was Seven Walkers shows to sound guys over the littlest things. Sucks to hear that. I met Mickey briefly after Phish Columbus 1999 at Nelson Ledges, and he was very pleasant. I'm not a sound guy though.
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I met the band 2 times.
First time when I was 14 they played at Princeton University in New Jersey, also in Philly at the Spectrum in the 1980's and smoked a fatty with Billy.
Those guys we're always so nice to me way back then, especially at Princeton University as me being a grom at 14.
My friend and I got to the auditorium when they were setting up their equipment at 4:30 in the afternoon. The whole band was so cool, and Pig pen was hilarious. They let me and my friend watch them practice and during the show that evening they let us sit on the stage.
An experience I will never forget.
When they closed Winterland in San Francisco. That was quite the concert to. My older brother took me to my first 🎶DEAD SHOW🎶at the Fillmore East when they were promoting their album Athem of the Sun back in 1967 or 68.
I can't count how many show's i saw of the best jam band in the World and still feel that way today 2023 living here in Bali.
Peace up all u 🎶DEAD HEADS🎶
Stevo in Bali.
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Nice memories!! So cool. Thanks for sharing Ace
I'm with you...kind of weird...creative differences on a final tour...it's like go, get it done, and move on from there. Curiously, I did have a friend of mine tell me that he wasn't keen on Weir's playing lately thinking everything was just too slow tempo...I'm only a casual observer so don't hyper-follow these guys around, but whatever the reason it seems to me the right thing to do would be to finish up with the band you are a part of and go off in any direction you want after that.
Apparently, Billy microdoses for every show. He said it "removes all judgement." Well, eventually judgement comes a knocking because that's what a consciousness does. He wouldn't be the first person to sober up too late and then try and change directions. It's happened to me more times than I can count.
@@ronschaffer5959 not Judgement, he meant self judgement , self doubt, hesitation blues
@@gratefulkm Well either way. Playing high changes your perceptions is my point. Even so, Billy is on to his next project and I am sure that it will be good, knowing his general approach to the music. Bob will eventually take on another project and I hope that it will be something that adequately represents his talents.
It has to be they play somewhat slow songs to begin with at 30-40% speed now. Drummers are hyper and don't want to slow down. I saw them do Shakedown Street and the speed limit was 25 lol
I got tired of Dead and Company really quick. Mayers lack of knowledge of the bands repertoire got very repetitive so if Bill is like me he probably just doesn’t want to play Terrapin every night for another tour.
this is sad. Jay Lane held things down pretty well on short notice. I just hope they are all happy in whatever they choose. One quick thought I had was, "was he fired?" There have been some issues with the drumming but nothing horrible.
I don’t think he was fired. He has his own project called Billy and the Kids and I think he likes doing that. It’s a little spunkier and fun for him. At his age I think he just wants to be happy and do what he wants
@@Intersectionrecordsstl Yeah I love Billy and the Kids. It does seem to be a bit higher beats per minute. I have been to a lot of D&C shows and Billy is always having a pretty good time. I haven't seen Billy and the Kids live except video on YT but it does seem he finds the Billy and the Kids show to be even more satisfying
@@richsadowsky8580 I think this is what it comes down to.
It’s all about the money in some fashion or form. It always has been since they started getting a big audience in the 70s. Yes they loved it but as the years go by it’s about the money. How much is out there , how much is enough, what’s everybody getting ….my manager is in charge, no mine is ….
I think it’s fucking great at their age they still want the freedom to do their thing to keep the music going!!!!!
It is sad last tour but you got to be free.🤙🔥
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I saw 2 of the recent shows, one at Citi Field and one at Fenway. The tempo at Citi was upsetting to say the least. The opening 4 songs, Shakedown, Bertha, Ramble on Rose, and Dancing in the street were played so slowly I didn't even get out of my seat. The crowd around me must have felt the same way because no one was really moving. If I saw a setlist with those 4 as openers I'd think it was a truly rocking show. This was the opposite. Put me in a shitty mood to boot. The UJB in the second set was painful to listen to. There were some bright spots but I find the whole thing predictable except for the setlist and that's not the reason I started this journey. Fenway was slightly better but Help>Slip was also a crawl. They made sure this was the last tour. I'm done. I'd rather see JRAD or Dark Star and opt for energy.
Jeff it ruins everything when the tempo is slow. The reason you and everyone are there is to dance to a swinging groove. Once the swing is gone..then what? Gets awkward. I saw large group of people sitting during 2nd set of Wrigley June 9. Bizarre
Correction, it’s not Dead & Slow. It’ Slow & Company! I agree with your theories. It’s been a wonderful run and I’m thankful for DeadCo, but watching a recent video with Billy and the kids and with Cosmic Country I was saying to myself, is this the same Bill K I saw with DeadCo? I mean, it was like he’s back! The drummer I remember operating a faster more open pace. So perhaps there's something to it, DeadCo not being a good fit for his musical energy anymore. Glad he’s branching out to help spread Grateful Dead energy and inspiration in a different context. This is all about moving on and allowing a new generation of musicians to have an opportunity to play music with a Grateful Dead member and to experience the energy. We are fortunate the remaining members are committed to spreading the magic in their later years. For what it's worth, out of all the iterations for GD music, i likely stand alone when I say, it thought Further was the best - for me. They really explored the GD catalog. Thanks for the video!
Yes. I agree. Nice to have all incarnations
It's not that he doesn't want to play. He doesn't want to TOUR.
@@timothydavis877 Fair observation and in jest, I wonder if he needs to play music with more pep, to keep his heart rate up.
I feel yall on the slow tempos...theres a versions of Cumberland Blues 6.29.18 that is uptempo and Mayer and the rest of the band just cook the whole time...not sure why it slowed down. but man when this crew is on they kill.
Saw them at the Gorge night 2, great show.
Jay Lane is fantastic. Great pick to replace such a legend. 2025 I’ll bet Billy comes back for the big 60th 🎉
I lost interest when Jerry died. He was the genius.
I'll still go see them occasionally, although its been a few years now, but I never play anything post-Jerry.
The band “Was Slow n Co” not Dead n Slow. That said at the Forum Slow n Co didn’t show. It was high quality high energy and the best I’ve ever heard Dead n Co sound. I’ve only been seeing The Dead and permutations since 1978.
good to hear. i have two shows next week. Missouri and Wrigley. should be cool. ill post reviews of both. thanks for watching and subscribe if you like my content
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angry old man, seen it, don't need to hear about it adnaseum.
Couldnt hang with Slo&Co...idk what it was..Mayer sermed like it was such an effort for him
Billy & the kidz Rock so im not sorry Billy wants to do his thing ..he has always been a maverick and ssid he likes to play more up beat like Hey Pockey Way being one of his favorite jams..so im surprised he didnt do this sooner..let Billy do Billy and Wir do Weir ..and Mickey..
He will.be in insteller space somewhere
Yes Susie! I agree. Thanks
The whole tempo thing is Bobby...Phil's band has no tempo problems and Billy and the Kids were blazing Dead and Co..have slowed down Jack Straw to a crawl..same with Cassidy and others..Passenger is awful....
Probably sick of playing everything as slow as a death march.
I think you are right
@@Intersectionrecordsstl I like the label name! Lindbergh and Watson! not far from where I grew up!
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He cannot keep up physically anymore. I've seen him on oxygen at shows. Listen to Bill playing on the Skull & Roses LP and compare that wonderful energy with the sleepy pace they have today.
Geezzzz, like you suggested, if it’s not health related why not just complete the final tour and play Barton Hall with the gang?
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Its interesting if it is the tempo…it’s a big move to abandon all that money….Billy’s cool
I agree Paul especially with the finish line so close.
Please do a video on why Dead & Co are slow.
That’s a good idea. I will. I’ll have it up in next 48 hours. Thanks Kim
Here is my “ why so slow video Kim@ :)
Thanks for the idea
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Best show Dead and Co did was when theyu dosed Oteil on Owsly's acid. Best Eyes in a loooong time.
What show was that? I heard about this. Oteil dosed himself right?
That was at the Gorge years ago, went to that he was blazing away ⚡️😊
Ugly rumor... dosing someone would be so uncool not to mention extremely dangerous. 😁
@@DukeRaul dude, face it, that's what they did. And this coming from someone emulating Thompson. Strange
@@floepiejane like you really know jack , dude, face it, someone emulating Christmas, piss off. Even Stranger
Jay cooks tho. Can’t argue with that.
He really does
I never noticed much of a difference when Jay Lane stepped in for Billy. He can do what he wants.
I haven’t heard him yet. I guess they are playing Barton Hall at Cornell on Monday. Check it out live on Sirius. Thanks for watching my show and please subscribe if you want:)
It's pretty weak but oh well. Is it Bobby that wants Dead & Co. so slow? Seems petty not to give the fans what they want. But hey, Phil isn't there for a reason as well.
Phill wants to play out his days with his son. Can't blame him one bit. Phil doesn't like to travel much anymore. That happens when you are 83. That in itself is amazing.
@@DamienYuen7718 Phil travels and plays shows all over the country still though.
@@GiantSFaithfuL not a full grueling tour. But keep arguing because you want it to be something negative instead of he wants to play w his son in his own band.
I will miss Billy especially after paying 750 for 2 tickets to Fenway Park. It's supposed to be platinum tickets whatever that means
whats going on Rob. thanks for watching and commenting. i did the premium package last night. i think they call it "Steal Your Face" package. strong show. mind blowing Eyes. I just posted a recap on my channel. check the channel out and subscribe if you like. i do shows every day. Heading to Wrigley for tomorrows show
I certainly dont know whats going on.