UPDATE: Treasure AP will give more AP for higher sell price, consider this during raids. Sorry for the confusion. "Item Achieve 1 AP/ 1 XP , 2 AP/ 2 XP, 3 AP/ 3 XP, 4 AP/ 4 XP, 5 AP/ 5 XP, 6 AP/ 6 XP, 7 AP/ 7 XP. Most Misc items follows this pattern, including items that are more than 1 slot, such as the Ancient Scroll, Gold Waterpot, and Gold Crown. Thus if you want to maximize Item Achieve AP or XP gains you should prioritize single slot items. To see exceptions to this rule visit the Adventure Rank page for AP, and the Experience page for XP. Misc Items with different Item Achieve AP values than the Rarity rule (above) have a column to indicate their score. Treasure Misc items give an equivalent amount of Treasure AP as their Sell Price. See the tables below to see the specific prices." Up to date info here: darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Misc tbh this makes HR that much better.
Awesome video, a couple suggestions: 1. Add chapters to allow viewers to skip to the part they want to watch. Very helpful and your effort won't go unnoticed! 2. Given the length of the video, give us a visual summary of the most important talking points. For example, give us a numbered/bulleted list of the most optimal ways to farm AP (mob kills, treasure rarity and sizes, etc.) so we know for sure what to do in our next HR games. 3. Rather than audibly explaining hypotheticals like your blue Shadow Mask vs. Hounskull situation, give us something to look at so we can visualize it. This way we can look at it and say "that makes sense" rather than trying to follow what you're trying to explain. Overall, good content and I'll definitely share this with some friends. Thanks for taking the time to research!
Love the vid bro changes my whole vision on things and thanks for the taking the time and dedication to make this vid. Just a tip tho, if you make a script of what you want to say tou can make thw whole video a whole more compact and easier to watch for more casual players or people with less attention span.
@@LeninErimos From what I see on the wiki it's true : "Misc items give an equivalent amount of Treasure AP as their Sell Price." + AP for item rarity from what I know.
best darker and darker guide I've seen online no question. my eyes suck tho so i couldn't see your mouse really, you can go to mouse setting in windows and make your cursor bigger with colour if you wish. pretty sure you can set profiles for easy use.
I’m about to hit every chair in the dungeon after this 😎 great video man!! Really cleared up a lot of the confusion I had - now if I can just avoid PvP I’ll be Demigod in no time 🎉
Great Analysis, They really switch up on us with AP values, I was running on out dated knowledge lol Can't believe a 4 slot treasure = 1slot of the same rarity i been duped
28:00 When candy was in the game, there was an exploit to separate the stack instead of ten in one slot. You would get more ap this way. I'm pretty sure they've changed it since.
You should not loot the vast majority of mobs. It’s not worth the time except for mummies, zombies, beetles, dragonflies, and death skulls. Even then you’re gambling when you could be moving to a chest which guarantees interaction ap and a chance at treasure.
Do barbarians get ticks for prop interaction when crushing chests? we don't get quest progression for crushing the small oak chests for example so it's hard to be sure
Wait what, I just did a test run, had only half my inv with rare-epic treasure and got over 500 ap for that. It also sold for 551 gold so It looks like treasure AP is equal to the sell value of said treasure
I am confused. Why do normal versions of bosses have AP rewards? They can't spawn. There is a small chance for normal enemies, so I get that, but not bosses.
So does a 4 slot treasure, let’s say blue bowl, give more AP than a looted blue boots or gloves? Considering it’s the same amount of slots I really would like to know haha
Crypts and ice caverns are longer but you end up getting twice as much ap with a lot lower chance of having to pvp. I grinded out demi on my alt in only goblin caves as a barb and it was much slower than my ranger doing crypts ice abyss and chilling. I was min maxing on treasure kills and interactions in goblin cave but at best id get half the ap with a much higher risk of pvp.
pretty sure that isnt how player spawns work. half those spawns, ive never spawned at. pretty sure when you spawn in, people are mostly spread out across the map.
Yea that’s what I’m thinking. Whenever I play with my buddies and there’s like 2-3 teams in the lobby we always just go directly across the map and pretty much always find someone
@@nephewlol I often find purple loot inside crates so it may be worth it if you can break them quickly. Barrels are iffy imo because some have skeletons. So long as you can break them quickly I say go for it
@@nephewlol if you're playing a fighter, cleric, or druid, use the morning star. It breaks created in a single hit, had good damage and armor penetration, and allows you an offhand item like a shield, lantern, or crystal ball.
This sort of disection of game mechanics is what kills the fun in games. Through a few participants it forces a meta on the rest of the player base. We get so excited about solving the puzzle we dont stop to think if we should.
The problem is that someone is gonna do it no matter what. Yeah games are more fun upon release when they are all mysterious and full of unknown stuff but it can't stay like that that is just the nature of games
UPDATE: Treasure AP will give more AP for higher sell price, consider this during raids.
Sorry for the confusion.
"Item Achieve
1 AP/ 1 XP , 2 AP/ 2 XP, 3 AP/ 3 XP, 4 AP/ 4 XP, 5 AP/ 5 XP, 6 AP/ 6 XP, 7 AP/ 7 XP.
Most Misc items follows this pattern, including items that are more than 1 slot, such as the Ancient Scroll, Gold Waterpot, and Gold Crown.
Thus if you want to maximize Item Achieve AP or XP gains you should prioritize single slot items.
To see exceptions to this rule visit the Adventure Rank page for AP, and the Experience page for XP.
Misc Items with different Item Achieve AP values than the Rarity rule (above) have a column to indicate their score.
Treasure
Misc items give an equivalent amount of Treasure AP as their Sell Price. See the tables below to see the specific prices."
Up to date info here: darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Misc
tbh this makes HR that much better.
Prioritizing single slot items appears to still be the general rule of thumb.
Awesome video, a couple suggestions:
1. Add chapters to allow viewers to skip to the part they want to watch. Very helpful and your effort won't go unnoticed!
2. Given the length of the video, give us a visual summary of the most important talking points. For example, give us a numbered/bulleted list of the most optimal ways to farm AP (mob kills, treasure rarity and sizes, etc.) so we know for sure what to do in our next HR games.
3. Rather than audibly explaining hypotheticals like your blue Shadow Mask vs. Hounskull situation, give us something to look at so we can visualize it. This way we can look at it and say "that makes sense" rather than trying to follow what you're trying to explain.
Overall, good content and I'll definitely share this with some friends. Thanks for taking the time to research!
Good advice , noted , thanks
Fair points
This community really needed a video like this
Love the vid bro changes my whole vision on things and thanks for the taking the time and dedication to make this vid. Just a tip tho, if you make a script of what you want to say tou can make thw whole video a whole more compact and easier to watch for more casual players or people with less attention span.
4 AP for an ancient scroll?! That doesn't make ANY sense!🤬
That's because it's not true. Treasures give the same amount of ap as their sell price + that 4.
yea its all based off sell prices so scrolls are biggly
So, ancient scroll give more than 6 1x1 treasures? can someone confirm?
@@LeninErimos From what I see on the wiki it's true : "Misc items give an equivalent amount of Treasure AP as their Sell Price." + AP for item rarity from what I know.
Anyway it's still worth to pickup more 1x1 than one 2x3.
This guide is awesome!! really help me hit “Exemplar” knowing what did i have to loot Thanks bro!
Bro this game got me watching 40 minute power point presentations 💀
@@Clu2298 facts lol
best darker and darker guide I've seen online no question. my eyes suck tho so i couldn't see your mouse really, you can go to mouse setting in windows and make your cursor bigger with colour if you wish. pretty sure you can set profiles for easy use.
noted, thanks
This vid has a lot of good info! It would be awesome if you did a breakdown of the quests to get the better squire stuff faster
Great in depth analysis with some good rules to follow. Thanks for concentrating all this great info
Nuce vid bro. Very in-depth. Keep it up dog! 🤙
@@feardafish you got it, thanks
I’m about to hit every chair in the dungeon after this 😎 great video man!! Really cleared up a lot of the confusion I had - now if I can just avoid PvP I’ll be Demigod in no time 🎉
Thank you for explanation! Finally i understand how it works. Keep up the good work!
Great Analysis, They really switch up on us with AP values, I was running on out dated knowledge lol
Can't believe a 4 slot treasure = 1slot of the same rarity
i been duped
@@LetGoNoControl I had out date info I believe sell price is also a factor, but generally speaking single slot is still the way to go
What an amazing guide
Answered all of my questions and more
Thank you!
Your voice and instruction style is 100% match of Khan academy math teacher.
28:00 When candy was in the game, there was an exploit to separate the stack instead of ten in one slot. You would get more ap this way. I'm pretty sure they've changed it since.
Thank you for the knowledge my guy 🙏
this guy is super chill
Damn bro, what a work! A am linking this to our dnd community despite noone speaks english.
How much time you put into this is a like and subscribe for sure. Thank you!
Nightmare mimics look a bit darker they have a purple tongue and do a big leap attack and it does a dot, mostly only see them in ice abyss.
@@VulturousStuff thanks for the info , noted
So priority for what to put in my inventory is: single slot valuables>high rarity gear>large valuables?
Is that accurate?
You should not loot the vast majority of mobs. It’s not worth the time except for mummies, zombies, beetles, dragonflies, and death skulls. Even then you’re gambling when you could be moving to a chest which guarantees interaction ap and a chance at treasure.
@@DiabloGoldSecrets good point, agreed
Do barbarians get ticks for prop interaction when crushing chests? we don't get quest progression for crushing the small oak chests for example so it's hard to be sure
ive heard from players you may get AP from destroying chests.
"Inventory space is the most valuable thing, to be honest"
Got it, leave with empty inventory for most value!
LOL smort thinkin
Wait what, I just did a test run, had only half my inv with rare-epic treasure and got over 500 ap for that. It also sold for 551 gold so It looks like treasure AP is equal to the sell value of said treasure
Update in comments, thanks
I am confused. Why do normal versions of bosses have AP rewards? They can't spawn. There is a small chance for normal enemies, so I get that, but not bosses.
@@delf2731 I’m very confused, please elaborate
They did a test run awhile back where you could earn AP for a 'normals rank'
So does a 4 slot treasure, let’s say blue bowl, give more AP than a looted blue boots or gloves? Considering it’s the same amount of slots I really would like to know haha
wait a min, ive killed nearly 200 enemies in HR on the frost map and didnt get no 1600 ap for it wtf?
i like your videos!!❤
Barb crush perk when breaking chests doesn’t give any ap or exp in any way at all. Been top 5 barbs in duos/trips every wipe done a lot of testing.
Having an in game visualization of ap earned would be nice to have so this kind of in depth knowledge is not needed, we are not game devs lol
@@blazingpanda5807 exactly, hopefully this help tho
Vendor price & AP value, just an opinion ofc
GOD INFO THNKAS
Crypts and ice caverns are longer but you end up getting twice as much ap with a lot lower chance of having to pvp. I grinded out demi on my alt in only goblin caves as a barb and it was much slower than my ranger doing crypts ice abyss and chilling. I was min maxing on treasure kills and interactions in goblin cave but at best id get half the ap with a much higher risk of pvp.
@@VulturousStuff noted, thank you
Thanks a lot for a guide!
You cant spawn in the room next to you, only adjacent. this is why there is only 13 players max on solo goblin caves
pretty sure that isnt how player spawns work. half those spawns, ive never spawned at. pretty sure when you spawn in, people are mostly spread out across the map.
Yea that’s what I’m thinking. Whenever I play with my buddies and there’s like 2-3 teams in the lobby we always just go directly across the map and pretty much always find someone
i need another hounskull bro
Thy for the Nice Video, can you do a Video about Gold Farming next? =)
Yes, soon
The new skull tokens are awesome for cheesing ap 😂
rubysilver ore does not give ap? (per item not interaction)
@@shu3684 5 AP per ore I believe
@@stoneyplusone its not on the wiki tho? ill trust u xD
Do Gold Coins give AP?
noted, thanks
hello do i get ap for smashing doors and chests with a barb?
Unsure about breaking doors, but people have reported that breaking chests does indeed give AP
but why do i need AP?
@@blurry6346 to gain rank
So not worth to break crates and barrels?
@@nephewlol I often find purple loot inside crates so it may be worth it if you can break them quickly. Barrels are iffy imo because some have skeletons. So long as you can break them quickly I say go for it
@@stoneyplusone got it thanks for the info
@@nephewlol if you're playing a fighter, cleric, or druid, use the morning star. It breaks created in a single hit, had good damage and armor penetration, and allows you an offhand item like a shield, lantern, or crystal ball.
Me spawning bottom left and taking 2 steps before a rouge ran up invisible and killed me in goblin lmao
As far as i know players cant spawn in the room directly next to you
TL:DR?
Kills mobs, Open chests, extract with good gear
Ive been running crypt solo going to hell killing and looting everything I can i usually average 2000-2500 ap dont have a single player kill lol
@@Cruncherss I like the inferno play it gives you so much ap
What the heck is an AP?
ive been doing it all wrong, leaving behind purple gear valuing treasure more.
make video dark-mode friendly. bright white background while you talk for hours is eyebleed
@@aero203 noted
Really good advice but who tf is killed 129 mobs in a single run lmao
me
@@CrowziYT mad man
a warlock, probably has the strongest pve clearing moves
@@Freaktacular it is a warlock lol you can see the icon for it
@@ozylocz4078 note the comma placement, i saw the icon 🧐
Nice video
@@Edgardo4415 thanks
High rollers hate him! Learn how to grind ap with one simple trick.
This sort of disection of game mechanics is what kills the fun in games. Through a few participants it forces a meta on the rest of the player base. We get so excited about solving the puzzle we dont stop to think if we should.
Its most apparent right now in the combat meta, but this video and others like it will ultimately push a meta for AP ranks at the end of each wipe.
I feel what you’re saying but tbh I do enjoy the way it is now
I mean people will always Min Max strategies when it comes to ranked gameplay. Just don’t play ranked if you aren’t interested in that type of play.
The problem is that someone is gonna do it no matter what. Yeah games are more fun upon release when they are all mysterious and full of unknown stuff but it can't stay like that that is just the nature of games
This is such a loser take, fix your perspective