Serral vs Scarlett ZvZ - Round of 16 - WCS Valencia 2018 - StarCraft II

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  • @joecordero1699
    @joecordero1699 6 ปีที่แล้ว +164

    Gn1 5:59
    Gn2 26:02
    Gn3 33:23
    Gn4 46:00
    Gn5 57:20
    Enjoy.

    • @tristanverbruggen1627
      @tristanverbruggen1627 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Joe Cordero thank you

    • @TyLockton
      @TyLockton 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You sir, are a gentleman and scholar.

    • @legasius9358
      @legasius9358 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      5 games? :o this will be interesting

    • @magician168
      @magician168 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Not all heroes wear cape. Some link all the important timestamps.

    • @clemguitarechal
      @clemguitarechal 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks Joe !

  • @josefx1389
    @josefx1389 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    49:04 - Tasteless involuntarily making noises after witnessing a sick move by Serral. What a sick series! Well done to all involved and thank you!

  • @AdmiralBison
    @AdmiralBison 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Great matches.
    It could have gone either way.
    Serral is strong and focused, Scarlet is fast and adaptive.
    Different play styles, both can show what the Zerg can do.
    Have to learn from both of them

    • @undertyped1
      @undertyped1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      As someone who played sc2 to a decent level, that isn't what I see. What I saw was a weaker player using tricks to catch their opponent off guard, because they feel they have no chance of winning straight up. It's not a good feeling to play someone many times better than you.

  • @Erbmon
    @Erbmon 6 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    Scarlett always delivers entertaining games thats for sure

    • @valken666
      @valken666 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      She only lost because she didn't think of later game/macro sometimes.

    • @thooky5662
      @thooky5662 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      2nd game played by scarlett, her ending to block the roaches. insane

    • @henryettoit897
      @henryettoit897 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      you mean HE

    • @Erbmon
      @Erbmon 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Henry Ettoit Serral has the best mechanics in the world but he is not especially prone to give entertaining matches

  • @parkerdixon-word6295
    @parkerdixon-word6295 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolutely excellent series, video proof of great Non-Terran Mirror Matches, and a goddamned nailbiter all the way through. Haven't finished watching the rest of Valencia yet, but I doubt anything else is going to match up.

  • @Setha107
    @Setha107 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing Set. Can't wait for the replay pack so that I can study this game.

  • @NanoManya8
    @NanoManya8 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That third game from Scarlett was pure genius!

  • @davidandino3799
    @davidandino3799 6 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    I love the hype. Good job on the casting and pretty good gameplay. At least a zerg won

    • @ZenHorakti
      @ZenHorakti 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I wanna see Terran win. If u have great match Final Terran. I wanna know

  • @winkyshy2
    @winkyshy2 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    hey everyone. im a very casual player and just very recently started watching tournys. can someone tell me where i can learn all the keystrokes i see scarlet use? i had no idea there were that many macros etc. thx in advance.

  • @arnie_can3023
    @arnie_can3023 6 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    This match should be called “Gods do bleed” despite the outcome.

  • @keanuwilliams3323
    @keanuwilliams3323 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i never heard serral talk before and he sound like one of those creepy scientist from those old movie

  • @Nobunaga1983
    @Nobunaga1983 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What the music right before game start??

  • @Markfr0mCanada
    @Markfr0mCanada 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    41:32 Watch Scarlet's face, that moment is why we play this game. I've been there, that moment after winning a game I really had to fight for.

  • @Nobunaga1983
    @Nobunaga1983 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can someone tell the music that starts at 4:20 🙂

  • @izzymandelbaum6408
    @izzymandelbaum6408 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why is this in 720? Get it up in a resolution that doesn't look grainy next time please

  • @benjaminhenderson7059
    @benjaminhenderson7059 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    That was AMAZING!

  • @Inflatableorc
    @Inflatableorc 6 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    30:34 serral has 3 drones left, wowwwww

    • @lelouchvibritannia7809
      @lelouchvibritannia7809 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Remember won Maru had 3 SCVs and still beat Serral?
      Serral developed his own trick he was just dying to try on Maru

  • @47ness5
    @47ness5 6 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Tastless AND Maynarde?? bless'd hype cast.

  • @graham1034
    @graham1034 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great play from both sides. Sad to see Scarlett fall, but Serral was just solid.

  • @lachazaroony
    @lachazaroony 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good series

  • @pahakasvivenuksesta2653
    @pahakasvivenuksesta2653 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Was fun series :) ty Serral and Scarlett

  • @ACE454ND
    @ACE454ND 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    720p@60fps... July 15th 2018... SMH

  • @magi5587
    @magi5587 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    great casting and games

  • @boartank
    @boartank 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is insaaaaane

  • @dubanx3889
    @dubanx3889 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Oh man. If Scarlet had attacked the low health roaches with the mutas instead of the full health ones we might have seen a very different game 4. She just failed to take out serral's DPS, and lost her army and ability to fight back for it.

    • @misterJ420
      @misterJ420 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      *he

    • @dubanx3889
      @dubanx3889 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Uh, no... They spend the entire game saying "She". At 5:45 scarlet is a very obvious "her"...

    • @peddazz2365
      @peddazz2365 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dubanx3889 ehhh its is not very obvious she has a kinda masculine face

  • @ScreenPeeker
    @ScreenPeeker 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Bad trade will be bad there for him, that would be a bad trade."
    so this is what australians are truly capable of

  • @devimon
    @devimon 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    what a game!!!

  • @valilungu1780
    @valilungu1780 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    "Scarlet is falling like origami"

  • @philipschroeder5427
    @philipschroeder5427 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't get it, why doesn't she move the spine together with one or 2 queens and uses transfusion, instead, she lets it die before doing any damage? Sure this is world class level?

    • @volodyanarchist
      @volodyanarchist 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      It was meant to be a cheesy attack, not an all in. 2 queens going for attack are 2 queens that are not left in your base doing stuff like larva injects

  • @fanispatitsas2192
    @fanispatitsas2192 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The best man won.

  • @LogicalMayhem00
    @LogicalMayhem00 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    why no 1080?

  • @paulskywarrior6943
    @paulskywarrior6943 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The weak point of the zerg is if you loss you overlord you two vital assist and strategic point here it is no 1 assist cause overlord provide control and produce additional unit and no 2 strategic cause if you loss the overlord you loss the visual and stealth detection in the battle field so use your overlord wisely.

  • @NerdGlassGamingPA
    @NerdGlassGamingPA 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    54:00 WELL DONE I don't understand why more people use Nydus and win matches instead just line their backup and lose the match. Awesome !

  • @BURN-IN-HELL-GOOGLE
    @BURN-IN-HELL-GOOGLE 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    fiiiiiiiireeeee!!!!

  • @Frontline_view_kaiser
    @Frontline_view_kaiser 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It takes a Zerg to put down a Zerg.
    I wish we could have seen a revanchein 2019

  • @jaymirasty5611
    @jaymirasty5611 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice game

  • @danconser6709
    @danconser6709 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Zerg Series!!!

  • @maxvanrooije8023
    @maxvanrooije8023 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    that nydus .... nuts!

  • @clemguitarechal
    @clemguitarechal 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Clash of Giants !

  • @henriquecardoso5544
    @henriquecardoso5544 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Kerrigan vs The Overmind

  • @AbyssalMelody
    @AbyssalMelody 6 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    SPOILERS:
    Serral destroyed this tournament. One of the closest matches.

    • @merdufer
      @merdufer 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      SPOILERS:
      Scarlett delivered 2 of the only 3 map losses Serral had during the whole tournament lol.

  • @Leishtek
    @Leishtek 6 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Scarlett was the only hope for beating Serral lmao may as well just crown him now the guy is a god.

    • @LittleMikeStarCraft
      @LittleMikeStarCraft 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Whoever won this series, would have gone on to win. unfortunately for her, it was Serral.

    • @Leishtek
      @Leishtek 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Has was really hard to predict, but him vs Scarlett would be quite an interesting match. I just can't believe how good Serral is; he looks even better than last season.

    • @jimkim7052
      @jimkim7052 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Compared to korean players like maru, Serral can't even come close

    • @Leishtek
      @Leishtek 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Serral crushed Innovation, whipped Dark, edged out Stats, and beat Maru in single match. I'd get your point if it were one game, but Serral went 11-4 against those guys. That is no fluke.

    • @lelouchvibritannia7809
      @lelouchvibritannia7809 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@jimkim7052 this aged well

  • @DarthSironos
    @DarthSironos 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Scarlett is a master, but Serral is a god. Good game.

  • @clindsey1983
    @clindsey1983 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Killer game. Scarlett came so close!!

  • @thundrrd5
    @thundrrd5 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just boys being boys

  • @rollyrodrigz5069
    @rollyrodrigz5069 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Scarlet is the worst Serral's nightmare.

  • @AngelLestat2
    @AngelLestat2 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Scarlett was very close to end the game in g4, but well, very nice game from the best two zerg players outside korea.

    • @wilferac
      @wilferac 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      but Scarlett plays in korea league...

    • @AngelLestat2
      @AngelLestat2 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      the two players that are not korean.. Also.. scarlett not always is in korea, I guess recently lives in other place.

    • @RockinBoz
      @RockinBoz 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      but... they are both better than any korean zergs?

  • @cyrusvirus3487
    @cyrusvirus3487 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    10:06 ааа Серёг exuse me

  • @geo5106
    @geo5106 6 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Spoiler:
    Zerg wins.

    • @Turion10
      @Turion10 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not a spoiler, Scarlett is a man

    • @adab1259
      @adab1259 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha you just did the funnee meme. What a funnee guy

  • @BreakTheIce222
    @BreakTheIce222 6 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Scarlett is easily the hardest opponent for Serral.

  • @cfp4215
    @cfp4215 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Both dudes played well.

  • @blinkintervention2110
    @blinkintervention2110 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If Scarlett is the Queen of the Zerg then Serral is the King of Zerus!!

  • @garygood6804
    @garygood6804 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    The games are fixed

    • @kowalityjesus
      @kowalityjesus 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      If there was atypical betting patterns on the games, then blizzarad would have a clue. Otherwise I have absolutely no idea why you would think that.

  • @jonarbuckle1560
    @jonarbuckle1560 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    56:31

  • @baronhyatt6729
    @baronhyatt6729 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Go Scarlett go I love Scarlett

  • @Misaki_Chan6
    @Misaki_Chan6 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    scarlett

  • @programevolutionist
    @programevolutionist 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    perfect commentary...."when Scarlett loses I'm like no😞when Scarlett wins I'm like yes😆"....death to the zerg😝
    👑Serral is lizard king🐲

  • @BigHeavyLove
    @BigHeavyLove 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    his... HER lol

  • @patardlelephant9309
    @patardlelephant9309 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    maynarde ...

  • @demetardementru7159
    @demetardementru7159 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Скарлетт такая бичовка ваще!!!

  • @thymn4384
    @thymn4384 6 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    The voice of Serral, hahaha 1:08:33

    • @legasius9358
      @legasius9358 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yea :D I almost didn't understand

    • @tagged581
      @tagged581 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      He does like his mootas

    • @Diavolo199822
      @Diavolo199822 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Similar voice to Peter Sagan xD

    • @opannefrank1986
      @opannefrank1986 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sounds like Latka from Taxi (look it up).

  • @nukenade4623
    @nukenade4623 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i know scarlett is trans, but she is actually looking pretty good here. good to see her transition is working and her game skill is growing.

    • @RobinTheBot
      @RobinTheBot 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why the but? Why not just say she looks good.
      Makes it sound like trans people are default ugly.

    • @TheZombieoutbreak
      @TheZombieoutbreak 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@RobinTheBot they frequently are

  • @ivanlazopavez6058
    @ivanlazopavez6058 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Scarlett i love you !

  • @josu6288
    @josu6288 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Zerg king and king fighting each other! I mean Queen....

  • @tristanverbruggen1627
    @tristanverbruggen1627 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Starcraft please reply to me, i loooove starcraft it is the best game ever made

  • @AlexanderKirkpatrick
    @AlexanderKirkpatrick 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Scarlett seemed really pleased with herself or has a very sneaky plan for the next round based on her facial expression at 31:24

  • @k3nn28
    @k3nn28 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love you Scarlett. 😍😍😍

  • @Bhuyakasha
    @Bhuyakasha 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Scarlett made sooo many drones in game 4

  • @garbygarb31
    @garbygarb31 6 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Serral is a lizard person

    • @tagged581
      @tagged581 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jorda n he is mark ZUCKbergs cousin

    • @programevolutionist
      @programevolutionist 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jorda n 😝Serral is lizard king👑🐲😆

  • @hungdoan9148
    @hungdoan9148 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lol folding like Origomi

  • @DjinnePasse
    @DjinnePasse 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love Scarlett's play! He's my favorite pro-player!

  • @Robology13
    @Robology13 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    He played so well.
    As usual, Serral played great also.

  • @Ravenblues
    @Ravenblues 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Scarlett threw after she lost g4 she was about to put serrall down

    • @sintanan469
      @sintanan469 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I think it was less Scarlett intentionally threw the game. Scarlett seems to have more problem with endurance, burning out the longer the games continue. It was a war of attrition, and Serral is more than capable of holding out there.

    • @valken666
      @valken666 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Scarlett lost because she didn't think of later game (no third hatchery) or used the same tactics twice (Mutas). Sc is a game of adaptation, the one who changes and adapts first wins.

    • @joaocaju3061
      @joaocaju3061 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Adaptation. Must evolve. Organism Pro-player must be improved. Scarlett not ready for leading the Swarm.

    • @michaelcraven2554
      @michaelcraven2554 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      *his

    • @misterJ420
      @misterJ420 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      *he

  • @LotusReal
    @LotusReal 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Serral is the dark souls of lizard people

  • @coltzahradnick7285
    @coltzahradnick7285 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The announcer's voice is just annoying. It's like they stole the WWE commentator for this. Play on mute.

  • @rapaconda
    @rapaconda 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pumped for has

  • @twilightgardenspresentatio6384
    @twilightgardenspresentatio6384 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    The overmind demands entertainment

  • @wesgore8016
    @wesgore8016 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Serral is the best starcraft player of all time so far but I think Reynor may give him a run for his money soon.

  • @Serj1k2k
    @Serj1k2k 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This Scarlett is one tricky dude.

  • @faridhajiyev8635
    @faridhajiyev8635 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    How i hate these shouting comentators.

    • @RobinTheBot
      @RobinTheBot 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      You need to get more hype, I loved it.

  • @adab1259
    @adab1259 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Scarlet face is evolving I'm afraid. Gotta use that medication more.

  • @crocopde
    @crocopde 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    you know what scarlett fan base let us know. People really want girl to go pro lv in gaming .

    • @dohnjoe4910
      @dohnjoe4910 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      he*

    • @David-ys4ud
      @David-ys4ud 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Unfortunately besides aphrodite, who doesnt play anymore, was really the only female player.

  • @nekkure68000
    @nekkure68000 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Serral強いね

  • @aesopr
    @aesopr 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    1:08:41 his style errr her style lol

    • @pahakasvivenuksesta2653
      @pahakasvivenuksesta2653 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Basic error for us finns, we only have one word that means she/he=hän :)

    • @DjinnePasse
      @DjinnePasse 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      He spoke the truth.

    • @misterJ420
      @misterJ420 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Hes just pointing out the obvious fact that scarlett has a weener :)

    • @seanpurdy8230
      @seanpurdy8230 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      In Suomean kieli, there is only hän. I can’t even tell you how many times people have said his husband or her wife because the concept is foreign to Fins. They don’t have 500 pronouns.

    • @aesopr
      @aesopr 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      its not about language error, its about Scarlett gender

  • @Thewirlwind
    @Thewirlwind 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Stop shouting... You are running the game

  • @julienjea47
    @julienjea47 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    why casters are yelling like that? they are not bad at all but pls we're not a catch audience.

  • @iGame360fficial
    @iGame360fficial 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is there an attractive female pro player for SC2.

    • @maschae4500
      @maschae4500 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      OscarMike scarlett!

    • @David-ys4ud
      @David-ys4ud 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Scarlett is the only trans player right now. There use to be a player called aphrodite but I haven't seen any pro women players since.

    • @iGame360fficial
      @iGame360fficial 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      David oh she’s trans. That’s why she’s fugly

  • @Iao74185
    @Iao74185 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Scarlett, do your hair before these things. You're being broadcast all over the world.

  • @remyjune4518
    @remyjune4518 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    announcers need to not be screaming

  • @lelouchvibritannia7809
    @lelouchvibritannia7809 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow! Scarlett beat Serral! So amazing! Scarlett is the best!
    Random Commentor: Serral beat Scarlett jackass
    Me: What? But Scarlett won game 5
    -Watches it again
    Scarlett: Throws a won game AGAIN
    Me: ...... Now I look like an idiot

  • @Deathbomb247
    @Deathbomb247 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    you all are thirsty af for scarlett

    • @David-ys4ud
      @David-ys4ud 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Beta males gotta be beta.

  • @frankz3908
    @frankz3908 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    that can't be good for the voice

  • @harusameglory4821
    @harusameglory4821 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    he's done better than anyone who faced Serral. he will be back stronger!

  • @pepega5560
    @pepega5560 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    on stage Serral was like, ummm, he does look like a girl :)))

  • @drawingpalace5370
    @drawingpalace5370 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Scarlet is sooooo bad man

  • @JohnDoe-wl7fi
    @JohnDoe-wl7fi 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Scarlett is a dude..

  • @jameslil6546
    @jameslil6546 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    man thay are not testosterone titans .... these are inteligence games, theres no need for this Boxing announcement style.....pure cringe

  • @thegodfiza
    @thegodfiza 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    woman vs man........ man

    • @MegaBoeboe
      @MegaBoeboe 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      you're neither

    • @David-ys4ud
      @David-ys4ud 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol he is a woman though lol

  • @richardnyqvist4644
    @richardnyqvist4644 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    isnt scarlet a man?

    • @volodyanarchist
      @volodyanarchist 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ahh. No

    • @tulipalll
      @tulipalll 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes. It's a dude who imagines he's a girl.

    • @RobinTheBot
      @RobinTheBot 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Scarlet is Transgender, which means that she has been properly diagnosed with Gender Dysphoria, and that she is correctly treated as a woman.
      Anyone doing otherwise is a science denyer and a bully. Please respect Scarlet's autonomy and medically neccesary transition.

    • @tulipalll
      @tulipalll 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RobinTheBot
      Wow. What a robotic response, and with Bot in the name, no less.
      But you are an incorrect bot and/or NPC. Scarlett is a biological male. Chromosomes are XY, AKA a sexual male.
      To call him a woman is to deny this fundamental scientific reality.
      What he imagines does not alter that reality.
      It is not disrespecting his autonomy to call him what he is. No one is telling him he can't pretend.

  • @Calle746
    @Calle746 6 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    worst caster ever stop screaming man...

    • @TheLocy92
      @TheLocy92 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So you think you could do a better job?

    • @Calle746
      @Calle746 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      no i dont have to it isnt my job... but if i was so bad at my job i will be kicked in 10 minutes...

    • @legasius9358
      @legasius9358 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think he's fine but too loud

    • @lesliebaker2494
      @lesliebaker2494 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      tasteless is known for his hype casting. its part of his deal. dont like it? dont watch games he casts or watch them on mute.

    • @grassytiger
      @grassytiger 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Pascal Tillmann maybe the problem is you