@Nidoking Ōtsutsuki I'm talking about fundamentals of a ninja in those terms naruto has little knowledge of and he lacks the versatility that others have and with kakashi as his teacher it's really bad.
@@LiktechTz They didn't call him the number 1 hyperactive knucklehead ninja for nothing lol. It's both his personality not to study the "refined" ninja skills AND his fighting style to not be versatile. Other bruisers in the show like Rock Lee or Choji are the same way, they punch real good and that's about it. Its also a common writing thing to have brains brawn and a specialist who mostly stick to their one thing. All the ninja squads are built like that and Kishimoto flat out says it. Now Naruto is a sneakily intelligent bruiser because we see throughout the show that he can strategize as well as just about anyone during a fight. But there's a reason most fans make fun of him for learning about 5 moves and spamming them the entire series lol. Not Kakashi's fault Naruto couldn't/wouldn't learn more lol
God im so annoyed with the sasuke wank fest in this video. Garra arc=naruto wins -this is so obvious that i cant believe these guys still manage to give sasuke the win. Naruto was beating the shit outta garra even without gamabunta. -Second, you guys clearly show your biases when you give every mental amp sasuke got in the series as an upgrade to his power and then turn around and invalidates every mental amp naruto got. -Third, after sage mode its as clear as day that naruto is superior to sasuke. Yall watch what sage mode did to kurama and think 5 kage summit sasuke equals to that is dumb. And after all that naruto did in kcm1 in the war, i cant believe you think sasuke would win lmao. -fourth the Last naruto has way better feats then sasuke whether you like it or not. This video is clearly giving sasuke all amps he got as a permanate thing and then goes on to say all the amps naruto go as a temporary thing smh
point is they both have plot armour. Near blind kage summit Sasuke vs Kakashi and Naruto? Kakashi has to save Sakura. Naruto is poisoned so can’t beat Sasuke with sage mode. White Zetsu helps Sasuke until Tobi comes. Bos Sasuke vs team Yamato? Sasuke surprises Kurama and I guess the jutsu might’ve been Kirin. Tho there was no storms so idk. But Orochimaru saved them. Still would’ve loved to see ems Sasuke vs kcm 1 or 2. Sage mode Naruto vs hebi Sasuke. Msm vs ms Sasuke. I just don’t like how curse mark was taken. It was a massive nerf or depower (new word lol) with white snake sage. On top of the future ones like: rinnegan, ems, moon seal. Potential ones like Tobirama’s soul jutsu? Hashirama’s special gift, the Hashirama arm. New rinnegan (sharing chakra with Naruto). Juubi as he could’ve just absorbed it when he went to Ishiki’s dimension. Instead of letting him get juiced up.
These fights really show how shafted Naruto was when it came to teachers. The second anyone actually bothers to teach him something, Naruto makes drastic leaps in his abilities. Jiraiya teaching Naruto the Rasengan made him able to catch up and arguably surpass Sasuke before the retrieval arc. Unfortunately then Jiraiya taught Naruto basically nothing during the time skip. Then Kakashi finally decides to do his job as a sensei and actually teach Naruto about nature transformation. What happens? Naruto creates an S-ranked forbidden jutsu that even the 4th couldn't do and takes out one of the more powerful Akatsuki members by himself. Then he learns from the Toads of Mt. Myaboku and becomes a monster in combat.
True, meanwhile Sasuke gets training from Itachi, Kakashi, Orochimaru and Obito, and they all give him significant buffs (besides Itachi who was just “training” with him as kids but even then it gave Sasuke a head start that Naruto didn’t have)
Naruto could barley keep up with a Sasuke who just got out of a coma and was still recovering from his mind rape despite Sasuke being out of it for a month while Naaruto was training. Naruto didn't defeat Kakazu alone. He came at the end of the fight after he got his ass beat by Kakashi and the others. Naruto then just throws a nuke at him and he dies. He also only created the S rank Jutsu by training years via clones and using 5 handsclones to make the Jutsu. The training trip shows Naruto actually sucks ass as both Gaara and Sasuke became Kage level and Neji a Jonin while Naruto was Chunin level.
@@celestialsoldier622 Wow there was a lot of BS you spewed. First off, Naruto had a lot of catching up to do in the first place as Sasuke was pampered in terms of training his whole life while Naruto got nothing. "He came at the end of the fight after he got his ass beat by Kakashi and the others" What show did you watch? Kakuzu was the one kicking ass not the other way around. Naruto's Rasenshuriken was the only way they could beat him. "The training trip shows Naruto actually sucks ass as both Gaara and Sasuke became Kage level and Neji a Jonin while Naruto was Chunin level." No, the only thing the training trip showed is that Jiraiya didn't go about training Naruto well. He was too focused on getting him to master the Nine Tails instead of nurturing Naruto's own strength.
I 100% believe that Naruto from the last beats Sasuke. Only because Naruto gains a whole other half of the nine tails. I just don’t believe Sasuke could make up that difference in just a few years statement or not.
Exactly what I was thinking I’m pretty sure that the two of them are just playing favorites because it’s weird to say that this version of Sasuke somehow beats Naruto when during their last fight Naruto was holding back like crazy where as Sasuke was trying to kill him. Like Naruto would’ve been won that fight. I’m positive that the Last Naruto wins because I just don’t think Sasuke is relevant
I think he trained whit his rinnegan, kurama at the final battle says that he whas starting to get used to his new awakening Rinnegan, we see that because he just use Amenotejikara 2 times in that fight (In kirin and swaping whith true seeking orb), i think thats the thing that whould put them in the same level, or he still has some of the chakra of all of the tailed bests (Sorry about the inglish)
@@star4crisis321Naruto knows all of the Rinnegan techniques. Also Sasuke was locked up while Naruto was training. Also Sasuke just saved Kakashi life so, statement might be a little bais lol. Naruto also have ALL his techniques from their final fight. Including absorbing all Chakra from Nature
So Sasuke had every advantage possible he could get against Naruto in their last fight, yet he loses, but then later he's stronger than Naruto because a novel says so?? That doesn't make sense to me. And if we're going by the sentence "kakashi's strongest student" well that doesn't mean much really because Naruto was more of Jiraiyas student than Kakashi's. Kakashi barely trained Naruto except helping him learn the rasenshuriken. Kakashi spent more time teaching Sasuke the chidori than he did with Naruto. Kakashi really only had 1 student, and was babysitting 2 others if we're being honest.
@@tara343 true but does that mean he’s stronger than Naruto based on one statement but Naruto during that time period has better feats. Sauske breaks a few meteors and that is more impressive than all of Naruto’s moon fight because of one statement
Facts lol….like don’t y’all think Naruto with Gamabunta would win the first final Valley fight? Seems like for plot purposes he just forgot to summon him…and they forgot to mention this point in the video Also, to not give Boruto era as a Naruto W when he has Baryon mode is just disingenuous
@@PaleRook the very first time he summoned him that’s exactly what happened…so idk why y’all keep saying this…on top of the respect he earned from being able to summon him multiple times and stay on his back, Gamabunta and Naruto built a bond after they fought Gaara together…y’all have no evidence that suggests he wouldn’t help Naruto in the Sasuke fight. Is it a possibility? Sure…is it a forgone conclusion? No. Y’all just like saying this as a means to justify a plot hole/poor writing in the story and keep Sasuke’s artificial “victory” over Naruto.
@@Alex-pm4tq I see nothing's changed, this is why I stopped watching this channel, I think he said some stupidness like Itachi would beat Pain or something like that and after that I never watched another video here lol, I only "watched" this one because I saw my brother watching it
A small push back against The Last victory for Sasuke. Kakashi trained Susake much, much more than he did with Naruto. In all truth, Naruto was more of a student of the Pervy Sage than Kakashi. Kakashi saying Sasuke was his strongest student isn't really taking into account that Naruto was fighting against someone who was cutting the moon in half and throwing chunks of it at the planet. I think Naruto would have won a fight against Sasuke at that point only because he has no feats beside that single statement on his side.
Just because Jiraiya trained naruto more than Kakashi did doesn't mean he isn't a student of Kakashi. Kakashi was teaching naruto how to walk on trees, he told Naruto and even demonstrated how naruto can use shadow clones for training, he taught him about nature transformations and helped to incorporate that into the rasengan to creatd rasenshuriken, all of that is what Kakashi taught him as he studied under Kakashi so he is Kakashi's student and the statement about Sasuke being Kakashi's strongest student does indeed include Naruto.
@@metalfury123 actually I would say old toad who taught him sage mode , is more of master than kakashi lol . Kakashi only taught him walking water / made him realize his chakra nature . Naruto develop rasenshuriken just by seer determination and just "imagination" , kakashi don't even know what it's gonna be lol . Kakashi is more of a support than a teacher , like iruka .
That has no relevance to the discussion whatsoever. That was before they even graduated the academy and not only that but that wasn’t even an actual match.
To be honest, Kakashi saying Sasuke is his strongest student is only true because Sasuke is the only one of the trio that he actually helped with training at all, Kakashi abandoned Sakura, he taught her ZERO jutsus, and the only little help he gave Naruto is a hint to the rasen shuriken HALFWAY THROUGH SHIPPUDEN. It's safe to say Sasuke is Kalkashi's ONLY student, therefore the strongest.
“He gave Naruto a hint to the rasenshuriken halfway through Shippuden” That’s just as much as he did for Sasuke before he left the village….all he did was teach Sasuke chidori lol. And wasn’t the entire use of shadow clones to speed up training Kakashi’s idea?
As always key details are omitted, they have to be, when hyping Naruto above Sasuke. Kakashi trained them equally til the exams. Where Sakura failed & Jiraiya took charge of Naruto telling Kakashi to focus on Sasuke (chapter 143, pages 3-8). Soon after Tsunade returned with Sakura choosing to train under her. He didn't abandon anyone and the shadow clone trick Kakashi told Naruto allowed him to make years of progress within a few weeks. Quickly learning wind style, RasenShuriken & Sage Mode.
@@Sasukeis6-0againstNaruto he did abandon Sakura. She had to go seek out a new master which didn’t even occur til the end of the series to learn something. Kakashi didn’t even teach her one type of genjustu and we know he’s capable. Kakashi is a deadbeat sensei
In the last movie: Naruto gains a new arm (made with hashirama cells), the other half of Kurama (5 bijuu at least worth of chakra), and an extra couple years worth of training. Sasuke: Is still down an arm, and no longer has the nine bijuu supporting him Swag and Seth: he’s Kakshi’s strongest student
@@luvvsick1while sasuke should theoretically be as strong or imo slightly stronger than naruto. I just don’t think that’s the case. If sasuke actually used rinnegan like it’s supposed to be used then he would whoop up on naruto relatively easily, but he’s never actually shown to use it to its fullest capability which makes no sense considering how smart he is.
@@luvvsick1 Obito had the Juubito is messing him up. So forget him using the rinnegan he couldn’t even use his Kamui. Yet Madara uses Kakashi’s kamui whilst as Juubidara. Madara got nerfed that’s pretty obvious. Urashiki even if filler lost to 2 kids. He had multiple rinnegans (blue, red and gold). Momoshiki doesn’t use anything except sucking and spitting etc. So it’s just rinnegan users in general.
I think one difference between KCM1 and KCM2 that people don't mention enough, and just why Naruto gets so strong so fast, is that Naruto gets KCM2 when he befriends Kurama, and he isn't using most of his chakra to suppress Kurama, and based on Kakashi's statement, Naruto essentially gets 25x stronger just by that fact alone
@@dontmisunderstand6041 If anything he would have even MORE base chakra between kcm 1 and 2 because in kcm 1 he was actively trading his own chakra for kuramas, in kcm 2, that "tax" no longer exists. So not only is naruto no longer expending chakra to keep the 9 tails suppressed, he also isn't wasting chakra on taking the 9 tails power either.
@@Farenhyte- kcm one is definitely Naruto with some of Kyuubi chakra he not trading it since we see in sage mode he does similar level of feats unless your saying sage mode is a way bigger boost than kcm
The longer this video goes on the more I start laughing, cause Sasuke somehow gets the edge every time in y’all’s eyes, even when it doesn’t fully make sense. And it’s just hilarious.
@@jameschristopher2540 The Last Swag and Six completely skip over all of Naruto’s feats for a statement. Sasuke has way less feats than Naruto in the movie, so Swag is biased for sure.
@@InfinityZeroEX we know that Naruto has more feats because he's the mc. He had the most screen time. And that's why we look at statements. Even after learning rasenshuriken and knowing it's strong against Sasuke's natural affinity he still felt like he'd lose. And this was a weaker hebi Sasuke or pre Orochimaru absorption. The only time I genuinely felt Naruto would win and was concerned for Sasuke was when Sasuke lost all his power ups to Itachi and Naruto gained like 5 more. Even then it was said his chakra was stronger in BASE than his curse mark state 2 which is a sage mode.
@@jameschristopher2540 when he said he would lose i feel people were misinterpreting it because that was the same Sage naruto yes he had help from 9 tails but fought a rinnegan user and won i don’t see Sasuke doing the same, swag and six even say they don’t see him doing the same back to the point but naruto meant even if he fought Sasuke he would just get stronger and the cycle continues or even if they killed each other the cycle still continues so in the end if he did win like hashirama he would still lose in the end and even more crazy is that In hindsight kid naruto was more confident in himself than teen naruto was he showed us every time he got more confident in himself after speaking with minato and kushina
Bro they did cover that. Naruto didn't beat Gaara, Gamabunta did. And they mentioned that Gamabunta would not have fought for Naruto in the same way if he had summoned him against Sasuke like he did for Gaara.
@@Paradoxikality doesn't change that Sasuke got overpowered by mid beast transformation Gaara while Naruto kicked Gaara around in his mid transformation
@@Paradoxikality the way they covered it didn’t really make sense to me. All they said was sasuke is faster than naruto and should be able to chidori him and that’s it. Even tho, it clearly wouldn’t be that simple cause sasuke wouldn’t go straight for chidori in character and naruto would probably have 100 clones out by the time sasuke whips out chidori in a fight between them. Like he did with gaara, sasuke, in character, would probably go for multiple chidori attempts in the fight and end up burning himself out and the curse mark would put such a strain on his body once he drains his chakra, that he wouldn’t be able to move, the same way he couldn’t against gaara. I think the way they analyzed this clearly had to do with bias. They point out in-character actions for some fights but others, they clearly choose not to over analyze in order to give sasuke a clear W.
Yeah it’s why I stop watching halfway through. I know that’s the Swagkage way but Six wasn’t doing much better. Apparently they say War Arc Sasuke beats KCM Naruto 😂
@@jaceb3106 Yes he does. EMS Sasuke scales above KCM1 Naruto. Now if you talk about KCM2 Naruto that’s a different story. But EMS Sasuke Is definitely stronger than KCM1 Naruto. Even if you lowball Sasuke. It’s very basic scaling.
Naruto won because of specific circumstances. Obviously Naruto wins with the summon. But gamabunta wouldn’t help him in a fight against Sasuke. Without gamabunta Naruto loses the fight. Just watch the video properly.
I need way more argumentation on why Early War Sasuke is superior to KCM Naruto. Naruto's sheer speed and power just seem groosely more than Sasuke's Susanoo could handle, that add with clone tactics and Rasenshuriken. The Itachi example doesn't sit right with me cause Naruto was trying to have a conversation and not actually subdue Itachi. Itachi also is in a state that's so much more optimal for his ability. He doesn't have Ninja-aids and has infinite Chakra.
I genuinely think Naruto just stomps again and again once he gets to KCM and further forms. Naruto by that point Is faster than V2 cloak Raikage, and can fight, all battlefields at once. He is just overwhelming. His best asset is Sasuke's weakness, he outruns him every time.
I agree. KCM naruto was doing some ridiculous shit in the early to mid war. His clones were fighting Kage level opponents and winning. I just don’t see how EMS Sasuke can keep up with him.
Ok compare kcm naruto with gai and kakashi vs obito to EMS sasuke and itachi verse kabuto and the rest of EMS sasukes feats throughout the war, if it’s kcm2 naruto swipes but EMS vs kcm1 that itachi was man handling sasuke wins
They really want us to believe that ems sasuke can beat 6 jinchuriki while fighting obito at the same time while having 20 shadow clones fighting a war simultaneously
Just because he doesn't have as much chakra doesn't mean that he's weaker. It's like saying that part 1 Naruto without Kurama is stronger than Kakashi just because he's able to summon 1000 shadow clones
@@zecikk_5651 also sasuke literally does have as much chakra as kcm naruto. He literally matched his chakra levels with Amaterasu. He doesn't have as much chakra as kcm 2 though
Wrong. Sasuke defeated Gaara Twice. Once in the Chunin Exams then in his Half Bijuu form. He then collapsed from exhaustion because unlike Gaara he cannot refill his Chakra. When Naruto fought Gaara he spent chapters getting his ass beat until he used power of friendship and made thousand clones and finally was able to hurt Gaara. Hell Naruto was so scared of Gaara and tried to get the matched stopped because he thought Gaara was unbeatable. Naruto is nowhere near as strong as Sasuke in the Chunin exams.
@@celestialsoldier622 how is that beating gaara when gaara was regenerating himself right afterwards lol? sasuke is losing there. sasuke saw gamabunta and pissed himself, he even doubted himself saying is this naruto? stop the wanking dude. you're coping way too much right now, sasuke lose only because gaara regenerates like wtf is that? that's like saying lee lost only because gaara used sand armor. a lost is a lost, deal with it.
@@lolcall5295 Sasuke and Gaara Clashed, Sasuke overpowered him and ripped through his Arm therefore Sasuke was stronger. Healing doesn't change the fact that Sasuke overpowered him. Furthermore, Sasuke beat him so badly in the Chunin Exams that he passed out and had to be save by his Sister to recover only to lose a second time from a tired Sasuke. Naruto used Kurama Chakra to Summon Gamabutna. Unlike Naruto Sasuke was bodying Gaara without a random Friendship boost. Before it Naruto was legit getting his ass beat for i swear 4 chapters without getting in any hits. Sasuke did way better than Naruto.
@@celestialsoldier622 sasuke was stronger? dude, gaara regenerate and then sasuke can't move, look at that fight, gaara is fine while sasuke is done. by your logic rock lee using gates to attack gaara was rock lee beating gaara when gaara was the one who won that round. stop coping dude. In a fight, the loser is the one who can't move by the end of the fight and sasuke can't move while gaara is still going strong. The f u talking about with the friendship boost when naruto was an UZUMAKI with huge chakra and been shown in the very FIRST CHAPTER to be capable of summoning thousands of clones to beat up mizuki. should i remind you of the fact that the gaara that naruto fought is the one who transformed even further, the one who almost completely transform? meaning he's even stronger than the one sasuke fought? of course we don't even talked about naruto using kurama's chakra to summon gamabunta because sasuke CANNOT COMPETE WITH THAT AT ALL. sasuke can't even beat partial transformed gaara while naruto was out there beating a shukkaku and here you are saying sasuke is stronger than naruto? get outta here dude.
@@celestialsoldier622 go read chapter 128. in sasuke's own words : "damn it.. can't move" while gaara was rushing towards him and then naruto kicked gaara away to save sasuke. how is that sasuke beating gaara when sasuke was there lying unable to fight back anymore? you telling me this sasuke is stronger than naruto using red cloak who then summons gamabunta and defeat a full power shukkaku? lol. he can't even incapacitate a half partial transform gaara.
Naruto would just summon 1k clones and stomp Sasuke out, those clones managed to fold Gaara who at that point was way stronger than Sasuke after transforming over and over. And we saw one transformation made Gaara way faster and stronger.
sasuke really dodged a forehead scar by putting on his headband.. but the fact that naruto scratched him shows that he proved sasuke wrong when sasuke kept claiming naruto could never land a hit on his forehead.
Yeah, but that's actually the reason Sasuke put on the headband: to give Naruto the chance to prove him wrong. He respected him as an equal in that moment.
God im so annoyed with the sasuke wank fest in this video. Just tldr the ones you got wrong Garra arc=naruto wins -this is so obvious that i cant believe these guys still manage to give sasuke the with. Naruto was beating the shit outta garra even without gamabunta. -Second, you guys clearly show your biases when you give every mental amp sasuke got in the series as an upgrade to his power and then turn around and invalidates every mental amp naruto got. -Third, after sage mode its as clear as day that naruto is superior to sasuke. Yall watch what sage mode did to kurama and think 5 kage summit sasuke equals to that is dumb. And after all that naruto did in kcm1 in the war, i cant believe you think sasuke would win lmao. -fourth the Last naruto has way better feats then sasuke whether you like it or not. This video is clearly giving sasuke all amps he got as a permanate thing and then goes on to say all the amps naruto go as a temporary thing smh
Just wanna point out that in a lot of the head-to-head fights Naruto and Sasuke have, Naruto is prevented from winning through plot reasons because it would prevent the plot from happening. A good example of this is the first Valley of the End fight in which Naruto absolutely curbstomps Sasuke when they're both fighting all-out, but Naruto refuses to fight at his best in both the beginning and end of the fight and so he loses. In their final all-out attack, Sasuke goes for a killing blow while Naruto simply tries to damage Sasuke's headband to send him a message, because in the end he's not trying to hurt Sasuke, he's trying to help his friend, and he realizes violence isn't doing that. Similarly, in the rooftop fight when they first use their signature moves on each other, it's interrupted just as Naruto is about to straight 1shot and probably kill Sasuke. There's a whole big reveal moments after the fight that Naruto's rasengan was actually MUCH stronger than Sasuke's chidori, which is arguably the thing that drives Sasuke off the deep end to begin with. Point being, the plot constantly makes it look like Naruto can't beat Sasuke when he actually can. He just doesn't WANT to, and on top of that, the plot itself doesn't want him to. I would honestly say that Naruto either ties or takes the win at pretty much every point starting from the rooftop fight, save for their reunion at the beginning of Shippuden in which Sasuke had obviously received much better timeskip training. Aside from that one scenario though, Naruto seems to keep up with or outpace Sasuke at every point past the chunin exams. Frankly, even before that, Naruto destroys Sasuke at any time if Kurama is brought into the equation. Idk why you're saying it "doesn't count," I think all the people he bends over with it would disagree. Honestly the fact that he effortlessly pushes Haku's shit in after Sasuke gets finessed moments prior says enough. If you put those two at full power, there are VERY few scenarios where Sasuke actually wins and honestly a lot where Naruto absolutely destroys him. Naruto's the main character. Idk what you guys are trying to prove by arguing against that, but na, at full power he wins at practically every point in the show EXCEPT the very start of Shippuden. Edit: Also, Naruto assassinates Sasuke at the very beginning of the series, while suffering from food poisoning and explosive shits, all so he can talk to Sakura alone. I don't think this actually does much for my argument but it sure is funny.
Yeah I kinda feel this way (for most the weries beyond the start of Shippuden) too. Except you can argue that it wouldn't be in character for Naruto to go completely 100% in a fight when that means using Nine Tails Chakra while Sasuke would absolutely spam and use his Sharingan/Curse Mark as much as possible.
This is anti Sasuke propaganda. Sasuke was much stronger in the first valley of the end fight, Naruto only starts to challenge him when gets a rage amp and 9 tails power up that he can’t control. Sasuke had multiple chances to take him out earlier than that, and Sasuke was the one toying with Naruto in the beginning of that fight. Sasuke had the upper hand, and was still getting shots on Naruto, even with his 9 tails amp. Same with Haku, Sasuke is carrying for the entire fight, Naruto gets a temporary rage power up from the 9 tails that he can’t normally access or control, and Haku on top of that even let’s himself get punched, and that punch was not what defeated him. He also spares Naruto and Sasuke multiple times in that fight. So in part 1, Sasuke is pretty consistently stronger except for some times when Naruto gets a 9 tails power up, which is not in his control and hard to access. And even then Sasuke is still able to take him with curse mark. Rasengan having more power than chidori, and Sasuke being insecure about that, doesn’t necessarily mean Naruto would win a fight or is overall stronger either. That narratively was meant to imply that Sasuke needs to leave the village to learn stronger techniques.
@@donovan4222 he literally wrote “Naruto destroys Sasuke at any time if kurama is brought into the conversation”. Nobody is arguing that Naruto could’ve beaten Haku fight sasuke without Kurama
@@donovan4222 You watch these channels too much if "anti-sasuke propaganda" is even a term in your vocabulary. Nothing you said here made any sense, you just made up a bunch of baseless statements that contradict the evidence I've already gone over then said "I don't care about the evidence that discredits me, I just want to say Sasuke's better even if I have no argument whatsoever." I mean, I don't even know where to begin with trying to respond because you didn't provide any counterarguments to any of my points, you just said "no lol that's wrong because I don't recognize these facts as facts."
Now I remember why I took a break from swagkage vs battles. He takes anything said about a character straight up when it's for a character he prefers, but when it's a character he doesn't prefer those same kind of statements just get dismissed as a lie or something
God im so annoyed with the sasuke wank fest in this video. Just tldr the ones you got wrong Garra arc=naruto wins -this is so obvious that i cant believe these guys still manage to give sasuke the with. Naruto was beating the shit outta garra even without gamabunta. -Second, you guys clearly show your biases when you give every mental amp sasuke got in the series as an upgrade to his power and then turn around and invalidates every mental amp naruto got. -Third, after sage mode its as clear as day that naruto is superior to sasuke. Yall watch what sage mode did to kurama and think 5 kage summit sasuke equals to that is dumb. And after all that naruto did in kcm1 in the war, i cant believe you think sasuke would win lmao. -fourth the Last naruto has way better feats then sasuke whether you like it or not. This video is clearly giving sasuke all amps he got as a permanate thing and then goes on to say all the amps naruto go as a temporary thing smh
My one problem with judging first fight in tht Vally of the End is that in that fight Naruto starts from position of relative exhaustion. He has been chasing Sasuke all day and fighting numerous ninja including Kimimaro, while Sasuke was morphing into his 2nd stage curse mark. So while Sasuke wins this fight, I would argue that he is in generally better shape at the start of it, and in the end it is pretty equal, so this possible imballance might have influanced the outcome
@@atcandotherthings4985 Killer intent? Sasuke definitely didn't have that either. Intent to actually hurt maybe. If he wanted to kill him he definitely had the chance when naruto was completely unconscious.
@@SpankyyNinja yep, also intent doesn't sway it because that's in character, like Naruto with the headband it wouldn't go a different way. For that reason tho I think Sasuke takes it usually because Naruto will always pull up short of killing him, and doesn't have any good restraining techniques. But he is maybe stronger
I don’t think he’s that tired he only fights kimimaro and maybe you could say the jurobo dome drained some chakra but it couldn’t have been that much cause the other rookies were fine enough to fight and they have way less chakra than naruto
I cant imagine how sasuke catches up to naruto after the war arc. The statement for sasuke is pretty conclusive and unfortunate :(. After sasuke absorbes all the bijuu and still cant win against naruto, I dont know how he just passively becomes that much stronger and then some. If anyone has any ideas please let me know
Oh obvious Sasuke is shown traveling with him training regularly while Naruto does not get to do that as much but getting the other half of Kurama was probably a mega boost for him
@@gameuniverse5973I guess but training against who. Casual regular training isn’t gonna really boost you that much. There’s nobody in his level and his eyes have not changed. Like with the tailed beast he was able to create an Indra susanoo beyond the perfect susanoo and had far more chakra at his disposal. Current Sasukes just stuck at the perfect susanoo level .
@@gameuniverse5973 you forgot Naruto was super busy with missions just before he became hokage so that points isn't so relevant. Naruto wasn't just home staring at his ceiling.
Sasuke just got his chakra back cause unlike Naruto, Sasuke is getting a big fatigue simply for existing plus Sasuke has a mental nerf and Naruto at his best in Shippuden could only tie with him
I used to mow lawns. I would listen to your older video of narutoVsasuke multiple times a month because it was so interesting. Thanks for recreating it!
I mean it would have been nice if they talked about feats or abilities at all with The Last section. There are plenty of times during these fight analysis videos that people don’t just take explicit dialogue like “Oh he’s definitely the strongest” at face value but were happy to here. Really it’s just that meteor feat compared to EVERYTHING Naruto did throughout the movie so it feels pretty lazy or disingenuous or whatever to just be like “Well they said he was the strongest student, so he wins!” When you have everything Naruto did compared to everything Sasuke did and it seems like a clear win for Naruto. And they just completely take that line for face value, like I said when they don’t always do that for other lines.
Naruto didn't even go full power against toneri with six paths . Only kcm and normal sage mode . Edit : forgot to mention he was at half chakra too because kurama was summoned out to fight that stone golem .
Yk what’s funny, if we being fully transparent Sasuke is Kakashi’s ONLY student. He didn’t teach Sakura shit and barely trained Naruto. Manz literally pushed Naruto away to train Sasuke when they were genin and then the only thing after he taught him after is GIVE HIM A HINT on how to make the Rasenshirken. So Sasuke being the strongest student doesn’t mean shit to me lmao
I think to be fair about the Naruto/Sasuke fight at the end of Naruto you have to take into consideration that Naruto had been running for days and fighting the Sound Ninja 4/5 chasing after Sasuke while he napped in a box.
@@uchihaclan1356 you talked as if kurama's chakra had no drawbacks. in the first final valley, sasuke even mentioned : "of course, your power has drawbacks as well". that was when naruto said : "i can't feel my arms". So yeah, kurama's chakra also has drawbacks on naruto be it the lowest stage or the higher state with the exception of during war arc because naruto fully controlled that at that point. naruto was using this chakra even against kimimaro lol.
Their final confrontation was the culmination of their longstanding conflict, the moment their feud came to and end and their friendship finally solidified. Sasuke accepted Naruto as an equal while Naruto achieved his goal of redeeming Sasuke. Literally sealed in blood.
let's not kid ourselve here naruto was always meant to be stronger than saskue and the funny thing is he was able to fight with saskue in the end with just half kurama chakra despite being fighting against multiple enemy in the war and still could have solo saskue in the end if he wanted to kill him
I wouldn’t say that blind Sasuke and base Naruto are tied. Yeah they clashed but Sasuke went balls deep with intent to murder him while Naruto only wanted to talk and understand Sasuke
Yet Sasuke fought Bee then the kages, Danzo then Kakashi and Sakura then Naruto and tho he was trying to kill he was really exhausted. This NARUTO HAD THE CHANCE to beat the hell out of Sasuke and bring him back. Yet he couldn't. Anyway, that Sasuke was always stronger than Naruto so it makes sense.
@@jameschristopher2540 Sasuke was healed multiple times during these encounters and saying Sasuke and Naruto didn’t really fight they clashed one time. I’m saying in a fight with pain with no help besides the intel he gains is not beating pain due to bad stamina. And Naruto himself said it wasn’t that he couldn’t beat Sasuke physically it was that he wanted to stop Sasuke ideologically which he couldn’t do at the time
@@jameschristopher2540 You forget that Obito + Zetsu were watching the entire fight & if Naruto even tried to take Sasuke back, Sasuke was on the verge of dying, or Sasuke was about to kill Naruto then Obito would prevent it from happening since they need to capture the 8 Tails before dealing with Naruto. Furthermore, the Konoha 11 flat out got on Naruto's case for not dealing with weakened + blind Sasuke which Naruto told them why it was impossible at that time.
@@marko1263 Orochimaru could’ve ended the fight against Sasuke in half a second if he wanted to. Why are you acting like that fight was in any way indicative of their level against an opponent like that?
@@Profitglutton90 Because Orochimaru explicitly praised Sasuke's skills and techniques and compared his prowess with Itachi's. You can't not count this just because Naruto didn't get a chance to show off.
You guys are wanking Sasuke way too much. I love how you guys restrict Naruto from using the Ninetails when you know damn well he would use it whether he wants to or not. Naruto has no say as to when the Ninetails comes out. And trust me he’s coming out when it’s life or death. Whether it’s the first fight or the last one. Naruto claps, Sasuke’s Buttcheeks.
Y’all Naruto meat riders are mad because Sasuke wipes him for majority of the series. Y’all like to give Naruto every power buff possible even when they don’t come out in normal scenarios. Just like the gamabunta thing. Even if Naruto summoned him, gamabunta wouldn’t fight Sasuke.
@@slayed9602 bro the nine tails was overpowered in early Naruto. Just like the sharingan became op in shippuden. You can’t deny that. Here’s the difference between Naruto and Sasuke. Naruto is still OP without the Ninetails because of his endless amount of chakra. Sasuke, on the other hand, becomes useless without the Sharingan. These are facts.
@@THEFAUCIVACCINE Naruto is utterly useless without kurama. Kurama was boosting his base reserves ever since he was sealed away. Kurama isn’t Naruto’s power, the sharingan is sasuke’s power. That’s the disparity between Sasuke and Naruto. Not only that but Sasuke is much more interesting and entertaining fighter. Naruto basically spans two techniques the entire series. Sasuke has versatility that makes his fight entertaining to watch.
@@slayed9602According to the anime eyes, don’t belong to anyone. Last I recall Sasuke had or has Itati‘s eyes after all. Hell madaras straight up stoled kakashis so nope it’s not Sasukes. Plus you forgot Kurama was actually interfering with Naruto more than he was helping. Certain characters stated that Kurama was interfering with Narutos chakra. Naruto, as an anime sucks. But he’s OP with or without Kurama.
@@alionzaf1778really hebi Sasuke vs beggining of Shippuden Naruto to rasenshuriken loses except for four tails who i argue is the only way Naruto wins at that time period
I know you skipped the academy, but Naruto just straight up hog tied sasuke at the start of the series. That 'better ninja' business might be up in the air. Painting the entire hokage monument before anyone notices isn't something I see sasuke pulling off
Naruto definitely has better stealth and evasion, since he even outwitted chunin before graduating, but in a straight fight he just sucks. That's inarguable.
You Naruto fanboys are reaching hard. Naruto was regularly getting bodied in the academy by Sasuke and that's how he developed his obsession in the first place.
@@marko1263 That is true but Naruto was never weaker than sasuke. Naruto just didn't know how to use his own power properly. Sasuke had to get get curse marks to catch up to Naruto and was still weaker than him. Only reason why Naruto lost final valley fight is bc Naruto was holding back not trying to kill Sasuke
I do love that they limit naruto constantly because of his personality, but Sasuke never gets limited by the fact that he has no endurance and has no ability to take a hit even 1/10 as well as naruto.
LOL Sasuke was nerfed from copying over 1000 jutsu like Kakashi, lost the Curse Mark, didn't obtain EMS right after Itachi died, doesn't use all Rinnegan paths, lost his sword for ONE fight (guess who it was against) & doesn't use his teleportation to his full advantage. Kakashi could have showed him a ton of jutsu to copy in Part One. Then he trained with Orochimaru, whose ambition is to master every jutsu, for 3 years. EMS Sasuke would have no problems with anyone he faced pre-war (aside from Tobi). Especially with the Curse Mark (Senjutsu Susano). He conveniently lost his sword right before he fought Naruto (fell in lava) despite always having post time skip. He lost it just for that fight seeing as he got a new one & always had it after. Said swords easily pierced Juubi Madara & adult SPSM Naruto. With teleportation he can dodge every attack and have Naruto hit by his own moves (RasenShuriken, Bijudama) by swapping with them at the right moment.
@@Sasukeis6-0againstNaruto Sasuke absorbed the Chakra of all the other tailed beast, and the other half of Kurama, yet still barely managed a draw against a suppressed Naruto. Naruto was also way more exhausted than Sasuke, as he had to fight a whole war beforehand. Hell Sasuke even had to absorb more Chakra from Naruto just so he wouldn't lose.
@@minimalthyme_gaming9886 >Cites Sasuke absorbing Biju chakra >Ignores the chakra he spent capturing them >Cites Naruto fighting throughout the war (chakra was replenished by Hagoromo & Yang Kyuubi was replaced with the fresh Yin half) >Ignores Biju being used throughout the war (never replenished) He was forced to go all out. Used all the power he had & could get. Unlike Sasuke who conserved Biju chakra to undo Infinite Tsukuyomi (hence trying to get more after Indra's arrow). Anyway, he could have immediately killed him. As stated earlier.
@@Sasukeis6-0againstNaruto I was going to give reasonable arguments, but then I remembered to look at your pfp. So yeah I'm not going to waste my time.
After the final valley fight Naruto is always ahead of Sasuke. He couldn’t win with killing intent and 8 of the nine tails chakra fully absorbed. After that battle he never has access to power like that again while Naruto still has Kcm2 Sage mode with SO6P chakra. Plus sage mode would stomp a single sharingan. The sensory boost alone makes genjutsu almost useless did y’all forget?
Sasuke is definitely not stated and very unlikely to be able to suppress 4-Tails-Naruto, at this moment naruto is not conscious anymore, so Sasuke doesn't have a connection he can use to enter Naruto and that he needs that to do it would not just make more sense but the only time Sasuke really suppressed the ninetails in naruto there were this exact conditions EDIT: also if we go with the theory that sasuke used a genjustu on Naruto to suppress the ninetails, then it's even much more likely, bc of the way how genjutsus are stated and implied to work
Naruto still has eyes and a mind even though he’s not conscious and wrapped in the 4TK cloak. It is even less stated and unlikely to be true that Naruto needs to be conscious for this Sharingan Kyuubi suppression trick to work.
I mean , I’d be pissed if the guy who coercively kidnapped the closest thing I had to a brother said I’m not even in his league. I can’t imagine Orochimaru and Sasuke switching places and resulting in Naruto getting an L. He probably just said that to piss him off even more. 4T Naruto slammed his hand on the ground and made a blast similar in size to Deidaras self destruct C0, and shot a mouth laser capable of destroying Orochimarus Rashoman. Oro flat out said he wouldn’t survive tanking it head on. Supported by the fact Jiraiya said he nearly died when Naruto attacked him using 3/4 tails. And that was before Naruto even arrived back at the village.
One thing I never understand about Naruto is how Sasuke would ever catch up to Naruto after the final Final Valley fight. Like, Sasuke loses all the Bijuu as a source of chakra and and arm, and Naruto gains Hashirama Cells, has a second arm and gains half the Kyuubi. It doesn’t make sense whatsoever.
Love the video and the efforts guys, keep it up. Though I would like to mention that Naruto was also nerfed in the preliminary rounds against kiba. If you remember when orochimaru put the 5 element point seal on top of the 8 trigrams seal. That messed Naruto's chakra control up worse than it already was, we even get to see it when Naruto starts his training in the 1 month training time before the finals. When he is trying to learn the water walking exercise with jiraiya.
I think one overlooked thing that complicates a lot of the early fights is that Naruto could theoretically summon 2000 clones, and I don’t see those versions of Sasuke dealing with that. But Naruto’s clone capacity is kinda inconsistent especially that early.
I 100% believe that end of chunking exams naruto beats end of chunin exams saskuke.Sasuke was SHOOK watching gaara and naruto fight,and even before naruto pulled out the summon he was doing better against a half transformed gaara than sasuke was.I’m pretty sure that by having sasuke say (not a exact quote) “When did naruto get this strong” Kishimoto was not trying to convey that sasuke was stronger😂😂
1. “He was doing better” is arguable, Naruto was doing better at the time, but that was after Gaara was already SHOOK by Sasuke and running away from him for the entire fight. 2. Sasuke being surprised at Naruto’s strength doesn’t mean Naruto is stronger. Sasuke is insecure about Naruto catching up or surpassing him, that doesn’t mean everytime Sasuke worries about it that Naruto actually did surpass him.
Naruto was too scared to even fight base Gaara with Shikamaru by his side. He didn't think any of them could beat Gaara so he vouched for Kakashi to stop Sasuke's match. Then became jealous upon seeing the results (chapter 114, page 6). Under normal circumstances Sasuke was far above. In the Forest Naruto had temporary friendship (creating 1000 clones which he never does normally) & Kurama amps. While Sasuke, with no rest, fell short having reached his Chidori limit. In full health he'd have one more which would have finished Gaara as the prior Chidori left him defenseless.
Gaara was literally going to kill Sasuke until Naruto came in. Gaara was regenerating and draining sasuke so easily that fight was pretty much written as an endurance battle and sasuke did not do well whatsoever once Gaara kept going more into his Bijuu. Sasuke was only beating base Gaara. Naruto in base came in clapping Bijju Gaara so 😭 and he beat him. it’s insane to ignore that
Regarding the Five Kage Summit, I think it’s totally fair to include Naruto’s feats against Kurama, since his strength wouldn’t have increased much, if at all from his fight with exhausted Sasuke. And if you include that Sage Naruto… then I don’t see how Sasuke could win. Naruto should be far too offensively powerful for the Susano’o to withstand. In terms of Sasuke’s speed and attacks Naruto has both the Sage Mode Speed Amp and the sensory capabilities. And while he can’t enter a true Bijū Sage Mode, he can still draw on Kurama’s chakra while in Sage Mode, like we saw with him glaring down Nagato. It isn’t the War Arc Stuff, but it’s a possible thing for him to pull out.
SM Naruto has crazy reaction speed so dodging an arrow is possible SM Naruto should be able to damage any form of MS Sasuke’s Susanoo if Tsunade cracked through EMS/Rinnegan Madara’s incomplete version. By the 5 Kage Summit Arc Naruto might be able to make more than 3 SM clones. Even with 3 including himself that’s 20 mins of SM beatdown potential. Sasuke was half dead after a 10 min battle against Danzo who never really hit him. Naruto’s summons totally outclass Sasuke’s hawk plus the ultimate Toad Genjutsu is also an option.
Naruto's feats against Kurama are not simply sage mode. It's a sage mode with no limits due to him constantly gathering nature energy due to not actually being moving at the time. Basically infinite chakra.
@@dontmisunderstand6041 Not really. His Sage Mode wouldn’t time out, but Sage Mode doesn’t provide infinite chakra. Senjutsu Chakra is composed of the correct combination of Natural Energy, Physical Energy and Spiritual Energy. Meaning when you use Senjutsu Chakra you’re also expending your own Chakra. Being a Sage doesn’t mean you have extra chakra, just that the Chakra you do have is now significantly amped.
By adding a third external source of energy, even if all 3 were perfectly equal in their ratios (which, we're given pretty considerable indicators that ratios are jutsu dependent in the first place, not purely equal), that's still a 50% increase in chakra. You are still expending some of your own chakra to do what you do in sage mode, though significantly less than you would need to without sage mode.
@@nicodemusedwards6931 he also had bee and Kushina to help him also no you can't use the feats he used with Kurama since it acted like Naruto had days after the five kage summit
I think there's a couple issues with these battles. It's stated in the series, multiple times, that it is orders of magnitude harder to fight an opponent and beat them without killing intent, than to beat them with it. In the situations where Naruto and Sasuke either directly fought, Naruto always fought without killing intent while Sasuke fought with it. Because of this, I think Naruto takes both VotE fights when the characters are being freed from plot handicaps. Additionally, during the Forest of Death Naruto has a lot more stamina than Sasuke, and the curse mark ruined Sasukes body with very little usage. If Sasuke can't kill Naruto quickly I don't think he wins that battle either so Naruto is probably favored or perhaps 50/50 there.
Ugh thank you for this. It’s a well known fact in anime that fighting without intent to kill limits you heavily. And with the first fight they have sasuke won with what a 1%-5% victory over naruto without naruto trying to kill him and if he would have been that would easily over take that difference
Why doesn't Sasuke ever try to REALLY kill Naruto. In fact the only time he genuinely tries to kill him was when he was fighting him in the lake thing where Sakura was saved as usual.
Just because someone has kill intent doesn't mean they are constantly going all out to kill the other immediately. Valley One - In order to test their power, Sasuke chose to collide Chidori into Rasengan twice instead of evade to hit Naruto directly. Valley Two - Sasuke immediately teleports behind and smacks Naruto away with Chidori instead of using a lightning sword to slice him in half like Madara for an easy win. He wanted to beat peak Naruto so he forced him to go all out before going for the kill. How does Retrieval arc Naruto stand a chance? Sasuke was evading One Tails Naruto without the Curse Mark. Kurama attacking through the cloak was the problem (chapter 231 pages 4-7). CM1 then tanked a punch & Naruto's arm went numb just from colliding with CM2's wing. Furthermore Naruto can only access Kurama's chakra when given. Kurama stepped in multiple times when Naruto would have lost before the final Chidori-Rasengan clash that Sasuke allowed to happen after not killing in the first Chidori usage before Kurama could even get involved. As for the Forest, you must be again giving Naruto temporary Kyuubi boost he can't access alone if you think he beats Sasuke. Even then, Sasuke's perfomance against Orochimaru dwarfed Naruto's. Then with CM he easily defeated the Sound Ninja who beat Lee who previously beat him & Naruto. With Naruto being knocked out from one attack while Sasuke remained conscious after stronger hits.
During the 2nd exam, Sasuke could only maintain Lee's speed for a short amount of time as his body had not acclimated to the physical effort required to maintain it. So if that's your excuse for Sasuke beating kyubi amp Naruto, then it doesn't work.
Here's the thing Sasuke has Lee's speed without using his Sharingan meaning Sharingan Sasuke is much faster then Lee so if the fight goes on a while Sasuke can and would just activate the sharingan
@@SRVaris nigga the sharingan doesn’t give you speed, when sasuke fought lee that much was stated, your eyes are only about to predict and see faster opponents but it’s useless if your body isn’t fast enough to keep up with your eyes
@@sweezxo " when sasuke fought lee that much was stated, your eyes are only about to predict and see faster opponents but it’s useless if your body isn’t fast enough to keep up with your eyes" Those aren't exclusive Sasuke's body wasn't fast enough to react to Lee the Sharingan can still(And is) be a speed amp in that situation it just means that the Speed amp in that situation wasn't enough for Sasuke's body to keep up We see during Sasuke's fight with Naruto when Sasuke's Sharingan evolved he was then able to keep up with Naruto(Kyuubi's chakra) in speed
@@SRVaris he was able to better predict his movements before he made then giving him the ability to barely block in time, rewatch that fight bc he clearly didn’t get any faster
it's either they tie or naruto wins by 2-3 points. there's no way sasuke beats naruto during any part of the war, sasuke does not beat naruto during the last, and sasuke definitely does not beat naruto post nerf. naruto has the best sage mode and now can have ma and pa merge on his shoulders.
@@cobrakaineverdies-i2k cobra kai never dies! seriously, how does naruto beat sasuke with half the nine tails, but then loses to sasuke in the last when naruto now has the full nine tails.. i think i lost brain cells watching this video. thumbnail was cool, video was trash.
@@7aemr Sasuke the last is stronger according to the author himself… You know kishimotos own series better than him? There is a limit to being biased bro.
What I find crazy is Naruto and sasuke having similar fundamentals when it comes to tree climbing is crazy, since kurama nerfed Naruto’s chakra control by such a massive amount and he still matched sasuke with tree climbing
I thought it was the seal orichimaru put on Naruto during the chi in exams that messed up his Chakra control? This was shown by him not being able to master walking on water to doing it pretty easily after it’s removed by jaraiya.
@@Austin-l1j He means that Naruto matching sasuke is crazy. Due to having kurama, Naruto’s chakra levels are insanely high, and controlling that much chakra accurately was stated as significantly more difficult than any other ninja his age
@@Doonango clearly you did not read the original comment. Orochimaru did not put the seal onto Naruto until the chunnin exams. OP is talking about Naruto matching sasuke in tree climbing which was land of waves arc, way before the exams.
@@Austin-l1j That's right but this morphed into, "Kurama always interfered with Naruto's chakra control!" Because as always these people overhype him. It's akin to the, "Uzumaki have a lot of chakra", misconception. It was never said in series. Rather, Naruto's reserves were directly attributed to Kurama. Minato set the seal so Kurama's would mix with Naruto's (chapter 490, page 11, & chapter 519, page 11). And Kushina only said Uzumaki were known for their longevity, savage nature and sealing jutsu. That her and Mito were chosen as Jinchuriki for their powerful chakra (chapter 500 pages 3-4). Quality, not quantity.
@@erodey3133 Naruto did way better against mid transformation gaara did. Neji wasn’t surprised by lee’s speed until the fourth gate and Naruto could react to Neji who has beaten lee before ( a Neji after training mind you) meaning Naruto at the very least could react to Sauske
Maybe someone can clarify this for me. I was under the impression that KCM 1 and 2 were distinct from each other with the difference being that in KCM 1 Naruto has to shelve his own chakra and rely only on what he managed to tear away from Kurama during the Tug-of-War, and without Kurama's cooperation there was a danger of Kurama taking his chakra and killing him if he lost control. Whereas with KCM 2, Kurama is willingly donating his chakra to Naruto allowing him to use his own alongside it, and with no danger to his own life, hence why it's sometimes called KLM (Kurama Link Mode).
@@gameuniverse5973 Hmmm...I feel it would be more appropriate to say that the "mastered KCM" is still KLM, but it *looks* like KCM because he's using less chakra. That's how I interpret it anyway. Otherwise it muddles the distinction between Naruto having Kurama's support and not, which seems too critical to just gloss over and say they're the same form.
I guess what I'm getting at is it seems like Kishimoto draws the distinction in how the two modes work, not what they look like, and that each one could look like the other depending on how much of Kurama's chakra Naruto has at the time.
I think you should have mentioned naruto’s increased skills during the chunin exams fights too. his skills with the shadow clones in both should be noted as pretty impressive in terms of faking out opponents and coordinating. Not just “high chakra reserves” only. And in addition, sasuke explicitly was impressed and concerned that naruto may have even surpased him during the fight with garra where HE was disabled. also, I dont think the period when sasuke was disabled by the curse mark during the chunin exam should really count, since its not him at his nominal strength at the time. Also, I think people way over estimate when orichimaru said “you arent even in the same league” to tailed naruto. it sounds like his whole shtick of egging him on and pissing him off instead of necissarily a truthful statement of power given the situation. Though completely admit base naruto is completely shadowed by base sasuke at that point.
I think when The Last novel refers to Sasuke as "Kakashi's strongest student" it's referring back to when they were his students not the current versions of them.
Great video. One note. Those early fights vs Sasuke. If Naruto pulls out the Mizuki special and hits Sasuke with an attack by 1000 Shadow Clones, Sasuke is losing. It would be funny to see Naruto summon Gamahiro or Gamaken and watch him punt Sasuke all the way to the Sand village. Or see him summon Gamabunta who is about to leave and head over to a bar, but then Sasuke insults him... thus causing the end of the Uchiha clan.
Sasuke bias is crazy💀y’all won’t give Naruto Gamabunta but say he won’t go for Sasuke’s throat in the Sasuke Retrieval arc?! and once Naruto gets Sage Mode he wins every round
No you cannot argue with statements and feats from the series which Swagkage and six use. Sage mode Naruto is absolutely not stronger than Five Kage Summit Sasuke. If anything it’s implied they are equal or Sasuke is slightly stronger based on feats. Ems Sasuke is also stronger than KCM 1 Naruto. Which is basic scaling. Sasuke is also stated to be strongest member of team 7 in the databooks for the last movie. So Naruto does not win every round after getting sage mode. That’s completely false and disingenuous. Lose the bias.
@@Trafalgar-D-Water-Law23 That’s what Kishimoto said. You know the series better than him? The statement is clear as day. Sasuke being stronger in the last isn’t even subjective. It’s an objective fact.
@@arsenewenger4847 Well these guys were still arguing who was stronger between naruto bs sasuke when orchumaru said sasuke was weaker after naruto got sage mode. What was said in whatever novel they sited was never stated in the movie. The last is 3 years after the war, it makes absolutely no sense for sasuke to even be on par with naruto at that point after the considerable gap between the 2 during the war.
@@slayed9602 he really doesn’t i’m gonna put a scenario where there both in character let’s take part one. 1000 clones all spamming rasengan or just taijutsu vs one sauske and i don’t mean all of them walking up indivually i mean bum rushing the shit out of sauske at the same time he’s not doing anything against that and gamabunta stomps sauske curse mark 2 state and naruto and sauske at start of shipudden will do the exact same thing times 5 with even larger rasengan and start of shippuden naruto can tank kirin because of nine tails and anything after sage mode gets multipled even more and don’t even get me started on kcm 1 vs mage summit sauske or even sage mode naruto once again 1000 shadows all using massive rasengan barrage against sauske susassno sauske dies and naruto could dodge amatarause even in sage mode if he wanted to because of the enchanrd sensory buff im not saying sauske is weak but i character realisticy using there kits sauske gets curb stomped
@@floodingitall8659 This comment only shows you haven’t watched Naruto outside of TH-cam videos. Naruto only summons forth that many clones when he obtains mental amps. In regular fights he can’t even use that many. Not only that but Sasuke on the hospital rooftop was fighting like 30 clones by himself while just coming out of a coma. Sasuke’s arsenal is way more varied and lethal than Naruto’s. Naruto gets curbstomped lol.
I agree that Sasuke would beat the Naruto that fought Orochimaru at the bridge, but I never took what he did to Kurama at the hideout as him outright suppressing him. I saw it more as he was able to stop the leakage from becoming too much. I feel if Naruto was already in 4 tails, Sasuke couldn’t take that buff away from him without a mangeyeko
Kinda funny swag said "a fight we actually see and sasuke wins and we give it to Naruto? Sorry, can't do it boss". Yet in their video ranking every character they put EMS Madara over Hashirama when we saw that fight and saw Hashirama kill Madara. How ironic 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Great vid! It does feel a little weird to not have an “official” point on Naruto’s side for the Isshiki fight and baryon mode. Given that it’s the strongest level either of them reaches, it just feels like it deserves some love.
All of these people talking about “power of plot” can’t accept that this actually happened and needs to be taken into account. I could say that sasuke getting the curse mark is plot and therefore shouldn’t be considered but that wouldn’t make much sense
@@MT-xx5cdbecause sasuke only tied while using all other tailed beasts in the valley fight, and that was when naruto only had half of kurama. And in the last naruto has all of kurama and asuke had none of the beasts
@@sielbel6782 your being biased Naruto had practically a city full of nature energy maybe even more and sasuke didn’t really use the power of the tailed beast he just took their chakra and put it into one attack
@@sielbel6782 you also aren’t mentioning how in the last sasuke has 2 years of experience with his rennigan compared to final vally when he had it for less than a day
@@sielbel6782 you realise Naruto become a rusty low lvl ninja. Sasuke's susanoo became so huge in Sasuke shinden that it could probably reach full Kurama. Also Ishiki fight showed us that Sasuke's susanoo was bigger than kurama.
Great video guys, very entertaining to watch. Only thing I was unsure on with was the Kakashi statement regarding The Last. Seems like a vague statement that needs more context. Like when he said “Strongest Student” maybe it wasn’t literal and he meant his most promising student. Sometimes Japanese Kanji can have multiple meanings or interpretations did the novel have a translation issue. Just curious on that don’t know for sure. Also didn’t Naruto get the other half of the Nine Tails essentially doubling his chakra pool, seems like Sasuke probably improved or mastered his Rinnegan abilities but was that enough to overcome another half of the nine tails. Let me know if that’s not the case.
Very small point for chunin exams final rounds, Naruto got his chakra sealed in the FOD by Oro and Jariya unsealed it before the battle and he also learned better chakra control due to waterwalk training and toad summoning. Idk, it's a lot closer than I think y'all giving it credit.
I'm just gonna say an ugly truth. The second Naruto learns the mass multi shadow clone jutsu, there isn't a single point where Sasuke can beat him if they were both trying to kill each other
His shadow clones can barely touch Sasuke. In order to kill someone, you have to be able to land a decent blow on them, and Naruto just doesn’t have a good track record when he dog piles people with his shadow clones.
Why are you hyping shadow clones that everyone (including Naruto) accept Mizuki destroy whenever Naruto uses them? Then the holding back cope. Having kill intent doesn't mean going all out the entire time.
I love that swag is revisiting older videos, I love to see how his opinions and arguments have changed over time. Like when he said kisame would beat tobirama…
@@indridcole7596yh let’s compare the two: Sasuke got clapped by the fourth Raikage, while Naruto beat the 3rd Raikage who’s significantly stronger… sure Sasuke wins😹
0:00 Intro 1:07 Round 1: Wave Naruto vs Sasuke 4:15 Round 2: Forest of Death Naruto vs Sasuke 6:59 Round 3: Chunnin Exam Preliminaries Naruto vs Sasuke 8:52 Round 4: Chunnin Exam Finals Naruto vs Sasuke 12:54 Round 5: Tsunade Search Naruto vs Somewhat Chronologically Equivalent Sasuke 15:21 Round 6: Sasuke Retrieval Arc Naruto vs Sasuke 16:48 Round 7: Kazekage Rescue Arc Naruto vs Sasuke 18:44 Round 8: Tenshi Bridge Arc Naruto vs Sasuke 21:22 Round 9: Akatsuki Suppression Arc Naruto vs Sasuke 23:43 Round 10: Sage Naruto vs Taka Sasuke 26:52 Round 11: vs Kage Summit Sasuke
The way I score it personally, Sasuke -LoW -FoD -Sasuke Retrieval Arc (This could go either way tbh but at the end of the day Sasuke wanted it more, seems like CM2 was stronger than OTN anyways since he broke his hand in one move. Still you could argue OTN wins a drawn out fight since CM2 Sasuke seemed like a unstable form for him from his unwillingness to use it and his bodily reaction afterwards. Still CM2 favored.) -Kazekage Retrieval Arc -Tenchi Bridge -Akatsuki Suppression -Mid War ( I don't really care enough to reread this part of the story so I'll take your word for it.) -Post Baryon Mode (Sasuke retains his Susano, outside of teleporting he never did much with the rinnegan in combat and his chakra reserves should improve since he doesn't have it active all the time. He got weaker for sure but Naruto lost way more than he did by a mile. Sage mode doesn't cover the gap at all here imo, I say sasuke takes this low to mid diff) Naruto -Chunnin Exams Prelims (Don't know why this wasn't included, both are nerfed in this part but Sasuke is far worse off and loses to Naruto) -Chunnin Exam Finals (He literally beat the guy Sasuke ended up losing to. You can argue he wouldn't have had the mental amp that he did against Gaara but even then he beat Neji, which you two didn't get into but I scale above Sasuke. Naruto beats a guy Sasuke at best has a incredibly hard time beating and a guy he lost to.) Sasuke acknowledges Naruto is more powerful than him in this arc, if you both believe in statements so much its pretty clear cut who wins here. Also if you want to argue in character then no Chidori or Curse Mark for Sasuke if they fight which imo is a clear Naruto W. -Search For Tsunade -Pain Arc -Kage Summit (Sasuke only gets those unlocks because of his fight with Danzo with his susano at the end. There is no version of this sasuke that gets to keep all those amps but not factor in his increasing blindness. If you think this is a tie then I will give it to Naruto since Sasuke has a hard time limit. This could go either way but I'd edge it to Naruto.) -KCM 2 unlocked -Final battle -The Last (Don't care about the statement at all, we know Naruto is stronger in the last logically as he has the full nine-tails and he has two arms. Sasuke is still down an arm, the only real improvement you can state he has is improving his rinnegan mastery which still doesn't cover the massive gap between them from their last fight. Giving this round to Sasuke is actually pure wank using a statement that is arguable since Sasuke may as well have been Kakashis only student.) -Boruto (Naruto was heavily nerfed in their fight with momo, arguably more than sasuke. Also if you compare their abilites and skills Naruto imo is favored) -Baryon Mode Final Score 8 Sasuke, 9 Naruto
I may be wrong, but i believe in the chunin exams final, sasuke is only as fast as weightless lee, which neji is still faster than (again, please correct me if im wrong). So if that is correct, saying sasuke is flat out faster then naruto there i believe is slightly disingenuous. I still think sasuke probably squeaks out a win due to him having more versatility (more varied ninjutsu, polished taijutsu, etc.) , but i think its a bit closer then how it was displayed in the video. Other than that, basically agree with everything else.
Possibly but I think Naruto wins.Neji wasn’t surprised by weightless lee’s speed but the power of the gates and the lotus . The techniques that Lee himself felt he beeeded to beat Neji.Also we saw Naruto and Sasuke both face partialy transformed Garra and by the time Naruto faced him he was even stronger. Both lost but Naruto seemed to do better . Also at this time Sasuke gets paralyzed when the curse mark takes over. And Naruto didn’t even use the 9 tails chakra. Sasuke while faster and better at Taijutu at this time doesn’t have the stamina to keep up that speed . I think with the 9 tails it would be too much
Yeah, but you’re only going by statements and feats. If you look at both fights (Naruto vs Neji, and Lee vs Gaara), it’s obvious that weightless Lee is faster than Naruto using that Kyuubi chakra because it isn’t a full Kyuubi amp. Neji was able to react to Naruto’s speed, perfectly counter the attack, and basically tie with Naruto after their clash. There’s no way in hell that you’d think that Neji would be as physically powerful as Naruto with the actual Kyuubi chakra amp that one-shotted Haku, especially since the Gentle Fist isn’t even about raw power in the first place, so Naruto’s Kyuubi amp had to be a nerfed version of it since he was borrowing it and was still lucid and in control. And based on that alone, I’d absolutely believe that weightless Lee would be way faster.
@Historyking I don't disagree. I think gaara was a better match-up for Naruto since he could just kinda "brute force" his way through, where I don't think thats as much of an option against sasuke. I still ultimately think sasuke has more options to take Naruto out, but can still definitely see Naruto winning considering the points you mentioned.
@xinf3ctdx I mean, that's what they do in the video as well to be fair. It's also kind of the only concrete way to scale power/speed properly since how fast or strong someone looks in the anime can be entirely dependent on the style and animation. Gaara vs rock Lee got much more love from animators compared to Naruto vs neji, so it obviously looks like Lee is moving faster. But even if you take the "anime speed" into consideration, neji never flinched or acted surprised with Lee's speed while watching his fight until the 4th gate. Neji appeared to be caught off guard by Naruto's speed immediately after using the 9 tails Chakra. Naruto even appears to borderline disappear because he is moving so fast (he sort of "teleports" behind neji and throws some shuriken, forcing neji to use rotation since he was caught off guard, in addition to "teleporting" again midair to dodge shuriken neji throws back at him). I think based on that, the speed of weightless Lee, sasuke, neji, and Naruto are all pretty relative.
Nah. He just gave Sasuke his rightful wins as demonstrated by the series. You can’t argue with feats and statements from the actual show. Sasuke is stronger most of the time. If anything so many more people are biased towards Naruto and give him undeserved wins.
@@arsenewenger4847Yeah, nah. Dude’s biased. Like he’s always been. - Sasuke beat him as kids in the academy - Naruto beat him on the hospital rooftop. - Naruto COULD HAVE beat him when they first fought at the valley as kids, but he chose to be petty and go for a headband instead of just dropping his ass. He also never summoned chief toad to literally one shot the boy, realistically Sasuke never had an actual chance at beating him, but since Naruto sees him as a friend/brother he didn’t fight to the best of his ability and essentially throws the fight. But Sasuke still “won”, thats the reality regardless of context so it is what it is. Its just funny nobody ever says Sasuke “beat” Itachi regardless of context even though its literally the same thing as here lol but its fine. - Sasuke beat him at the beginning of shippuden - They met again but just clashed jutsu, inconclusive fight - Finally, in their final battle, Naruto mopped his ass while heavily nerfed. Sasuke needed amps on top of amps and still couldn’t kill a guy who was only trying to beat him to submission. He was amped both in power and mindset(trying to kill him) and still couldn’t do it. Speaks for itself. - As adults Naruto no diffs with Baryon Mode - adults post-nerf Naruto still washes him most likely. He’s still physically superior to Sasuke BUT Sasuke has genjutsu and Naruto doesn’t have kurama to snap him out of a genjutsu. So I would be willing to give this to Sasuke assuming genjutsu just one shots Naruto now. Swag is good at playing devil’s advocate and thinking of proper counters for the opposition of his bias only when he feels it doesn’t change the outcome. If it does he will ignore certain things or gloss over it. Still though Naruto only actually beat Sasuke twice in the series. Imo that just goes to show beating somebody more times doesnt really amount to anything as far as how you compare to them. You can’t “beat” someone who never took you too seriously in the first place and try to flex it lmfao.
@@LimmeLimbo No the Itachi situation is not the same as the first final valley fight. The result is clear and evident. Both clash with their full power final moves. Sasuke emerges Victorious. Naruto at multiple points in the series himself says he lost that fight fair and square. An no he isn’t mentioning the fact he failed to get Sasuke back, he is literally mentioning the battle itself. It cannot get more clear than that. As for Itachi. Obito clearly states Itachi let Sasuke win. Sasuke himself knows later Itachi let him win. Itachi himself acknowledges the fact that he planned the entire battle and let Sasuke win. Naruto never once says he let Sasuke beat him.
@@LimmeLimbo I Do agree with the rooftop fight and Boruto Naruto with Baryon mode being stronger. But Swag and Six gave him those wins. So why are you saying they are biased.
@@arsenewenger4847 Yall do the same thing with Sasuke admitting he lost to Naruto in their final battle, you try and deflect and make it about “losing ideologies” or some shit instead of taking what Sasuke said at face value that he lost the fight. Nobody can lose something they never used their game-changing trump card in. Narutos summon would have one shot Sasuke, there aint no discussion to be had about that. Hypothetically, imagine Sasuke admitted to losing to Naruto but he never even used his curse mark in the fight. Obviously you would call bs on that because it doesn’t make any sense. Naruto threw the fight but not intentionally. He wouldn’t ever say he let Sasuke win because he didn’t make that decision consciously like Itachi, he made a series of bad decisions that resulted in him losing. Being petty. Not putting his emotions aside to body the kid. Therefore he lost because of it and feels like he lost “fair and square” when that obviously isnt the case. Swag is biased in certain situations, he won’t be biased in situations where he would just be wrong and borderline delusional if he tried to argue otherwise. Also, havent the watched the video yet. He’s probably not being as biased as everyone is making him seem but I wouldn’t put it past him.
I think this pretty well matches the narrative intentions. Naruto was an underdog, losing to Sasuke a lot in the beginning, and catching up more and more as he mentally matures and defeats hatred.
@@anxiety1018 that never really gave him talent, he had unique circumstances sure but started from nothing and had to earn everything including kurama’s trust on his own
@@bogdanshymanovski naruto is my second favourite anime only losing out to one piece but Naruto is talented and had some of the most powerful ninjas of all time as teachers
Hi Swag and Six. Great video I'd like to add my own corrections 1) Land of waves Naruto should have an extra category for Kyubi chakra mode Naruto. In your Naruto tier list you yourself put that Naruto ridiculously high, so it seems contrived not to include it here. Especially seeing as there is a version of sasuke to match it against -"Sharingan awakened sasuke" 2) I don't think Chunin prelims versions should really be counted. Because there are no real changes from the forest of death.... it's just each of them having debuffs. It would be like matching KCM1 Naruto to blind sasuke... Sasuke isn't weak during the pre-war he's just out of commission. It's a similar case for the prelims. 3) Konoha Crush Naruto should edge out Sasuke. Gaara never mentions a direct comparison, but he expressed disappointment in Sasuke's strength and is conversely impressed with Naruto's. And this is before Naruto summoned Gamabunta. Plus Uzumaki 2K barrage did far more damage to Gaara than Sasuke. I don't think it was a very well written power-up. But it's undeniable that Naruto's "I don't feel like losing" amped him up to higher than partially transformed Gaara. 4) I personally think Naruto beats sasuke at the 5 kage summit, but only because I would argue that the Rasenshuriken has higher offensive power than Kirin, due to it being wind. Kirin might have a higher area of effect and might be faster, but the Rasenshurikens cutting power would I think do better against Susanoo. Plus Naruto can fire multiple of them. So if Kirin can shatter a Yata Mirror Susanoo - Two Rasenshuriken's plus multiple big ball Rasengans should body sasuke. The reason why I think the deciding factor here is Sasuke's Susanoo is because in his fights with the kage and Danzo he relies on it...HEAVILY, so it stands to reason that if Naruto can smash through it then he would win. 5) Naruto Early war SMASHES Sasuke EMS. KCM1 Naruto distributed enough clones to single handedly win the war before Edo Madara showed up. A clone of Naruto beat the third Raikage. A clone of Naruto impressed Madara. KCM1 Naruto was slightly faster than Ay. Overall I think you DID favor sasuke a little too much but I still really enjoyed the video so thanks!
for 3 that Sasuke actually had major feats. His chakra was sucked out yet he saved Naruto when Naruto spammed the hell out of shadow clones EVEN THO Sasuke had barely any chakra. And just before fought Gaara and hurt him enough to take out his weird mode.
I think Naruto could win during 5 Kage Summit. I don't think there's enough of a difference in the Sage Mode and MS amp to say that one of them would win before Sasuke progressively gets weaker from using MS too much. Sasuke had the best defense with the Susanoo but I think Naruto could eventually overwhelm him with enough Rasenshurikens, Naruto's stamina would just be too much for Sasuke imo, especially since he can kinda just infinitely replenish it with Sage Mode. If you're gonna give Sasuke the same rage amps he had against Danzo it'd also probably be fair to give Naruto his rage amps and the 6 tails which definitely wouldn't end well for Sasuke. Also for Boruto, idk much about scaling for that but I remember Naruto with his chakra drained preforming as well against Momoshiki as Sasuke and previously while neither were using rinnegan or nine tails chakra more Naruto was preforming much better against Momo, although I watched the anime for that arc so maybe it's different in other versions. Also it'd prolly be fair to give Naruto the Baryon Mode point even though it's pretty obvious since you gave Sasuke the point multiple times when it was pretty obvious that he was superior, y'all were going through every version after all.
Fave kage summit Sasuke has MS genjutsu and it's already shown he can suppress the 9tail with base sharingan. Also out lasting is a cop out victory tbh
Good stuff, Swag and Six. I will say, especially for the early parts of Naruto, I think how Swag phrased it in an older video is "Sasuke is Naruto's rival and he exists to be stronger than him." So I really enjoyed the discussions, but I think the narrative kind of boosts Sasuke.
Sage Mode Naruto would dog walk Kage Summit Sasuke. He would go blind before the fight ended and would lose the ability to suppress the Nine Tails in Naruto.
The more you watch this the more you realize just how untrained naruto really was from the beginning to the end.
thats the point though, naruto brute forces EVERYTHING.
@Nidoking Ōtsutsuki I'm talking about fundamentals of a ninja in those terms naruto has little knowledge of and he lacks the versatility that others have and with kakashi as his teacher it's really bad.
@@LiktechTzdoes not matter when he got a giant toad that solos most of part one in his pocket
@@gameuniverse5973where was that giant toad in the valley of the end?
@@LiktechTz They didn't call him the number 1 hyperactive knucklehead ninja for nothing lol. It's both his personality not to study the "refined" ninja skills AND his fighting style to not be versatile. Other bruisers in the show like Rock Lee or Choji are the same way, they punch real good and that's about it. Its also a common writing thing to have brains brawn and a specialist who mostly stick to their one thing. All the ninja squads are built like that and Kishimoto flat out says it.
Now Naruto is a sneakily intelligent bruiser because we see throughout the show that he can strategize as well as just about anyone during a fight. But there's a reason most fans make fun of him for learning about 5 moves and spamming them the entire series lol. Not Kakashi's fault Naruto couldn't/wouldn't learn more lol
"Could Baryon Mode Naruto beat pre-natal fetus Sasuke? It could go either way."
Swag, probably.
It really could
Swag definitely wanks sasuke too much.
@@JellySlays how??
@@masumgaji2886 why would naruto beat up a fetus...
@@sadrakeyhany7477 what do you mean??
You can hear the pain in swags voice when he has to give Naruto a Dub😂😂
The heartbreak can be heard from a mile away 😂
I could hear it from farrr lol
God im so annoyed with the sasuke wank fest in this video.
Garra arc=naruto wins
-this is so obvious that i cant believe these guys still manage to give sasuke the win. Naruto was beating the shit outta garra even without gamabunta.
-Second, you guys clearly show your biases when you give every mental amp sasuke got in the series as an upgrade to his power and then turn around and invalidates every mental amp naruto got.
-Third, after sage mode its as clear as day that naruto is superior to sasuke. Yall watch what sage mode did to kurama and think 5 kage summit sasuke equals to that is dumb. And after all that naruto did in kcm1 in the war, i cant believe you think sasuke would win lmao.
-fourth the Last naruto has way better feats then sasuke whether you like it or not.
This video is clearly giving sasuke all amps he got as a permanate thing and then goes on to say all the amps naruto go as a temporary thing smh
@@fahimfahim624 go to Japan meets kishi
@@fahimfahim624 everything you say can be debunked lol
Six: “Alright so next up is-
Swagkage: “I think that Sasuke takes this.”
point is they both have plot armour.
Near blind kage summit Sasuke vs Kakashi and Naruto? Kakashi has to save Sakura.
Naruto is poisoned so can’t beat Sasuke with sage mode. White Zetsu helps Sasuke until Tobi comes.
Bos Sasuke vs team Yamato? Sasuke surprises Kurama and I guess the jutsu might’ve been Kirin. Tho there was no storms so idk. But Orochimaru saved them.
Still would’ve loved to see ems Sasuke vs kcm 1 or 2. Sage mode Naruto vs hebi Sasuke. Msm vs ms Sasuke.
I just don’t like how curse mark was taken. It was a massive nerf or depower (new word lol) with white snake sage. On top of the future ones like: rinnegan, ems, moon seal. Potential ones like Tobirama’s soul jutsu? Hashirama’s special gift, the Hashirama arm. New rinnegan (sharing chakra with Naruto). Juubi as he could’ve just absorbed it when he went to Ishiki’s dimension. Instead of letting him get juiced up.
These fights really show how shafted Naruto was when it came to teachers. The second anyone actually bothers to teach him something, Naruto makes drastic leaps in his abilities. Jiraiya teaching Naruto the Rasengan made him able to catch up and arguably surpass Sasuke before the retrieval arc. Unfortunately then Jiraiya taught Naruto basically nothing during the time skip. Then Kakashi finally decides to do his job as a sensei and actually teach Naruto about nature transformation. What happens? Naruto creates an S-ranked forbidden jutsu that even the 4th couldn't do and takes out one of the more powerful Akatsuki members by himself. Then he learns from the Toads of Mt. Myaboku and becomes a monster in combat.
True, meanwhile Sasuke gets training from Itachi, Kakashi, Orochimaru and Obito, and they all give him significant buffs (besides Itachi who was just “training” with him as kids but even then it gave Sasuke a head start that Naruto didn’t have)
Naruto could barley keep up with a Sasuke who just got out of a coma and was still recovering from his mind rape despite Sasuke being out of it for a month while Naaruto was training.
Naruto didn't defeat Kakazu alone. He came at the end of the fight after he got his ass beat by Kakashi and the others. Naruto then just throws a nuke at him and he dies.
He also only created the S rank Jutsu by training years via clones and using 5 handsclones to make the Jutsu.
The training trip shows Naruto actually sucks ass as both Gaara and Sasuke became Kage level and Neji a Jonin while Naruto was Chunin level.
@@celestialsoldier622 Wow there was a lot of BS you spewed. First off, Naruto had a lot of catching up to do in the first place as Sasuke was pampered in terms of training his whole life while Naruto got nothing.
"He came at the end of the fight after he got his ass beat by Kakashi and the others" What show did you watch? Kakuzu was the one kicking ass not the other way around. Naruto's Rasenshuriken was the only way they could beat him.
"The training trip shows Naruto actually sucks ass as both Gaara and Sasuke became Kage level and Neji a Jonin while Naruto was Chunin level." No, the only thing the training trip showed is that Jiraiya didn't go about training Naruto well. He was too focused on getting him to master the Nine Tails instead of nurturing Naruto's own strength.
I’ll bet you a fortune they did teach Nature Transformation in the academy and naruto just didn’t pay attention
@@shade08538 Considering how shocked Kakashi was when Sasuke used a fire jutsu, that can't possibly be true.
I 100% believe that Naruto from the last beats Sasuke. Only because Naruto gains a whole other half of the nine tails. I just don’t believe Sasuke could make up that difference in just a few years statement or not.
Exactly what I was thinking
I’m pretty sure that the two of them are just playing favorites because it’s weird to say that this version of Sasuke somehow beats Naruto when during their last fight Naruto was holding back like crazy where as Sasuke was trying to kill him. Like Naruto would’ve been won that fight. I’m positive that the Last Naruto wins because I just don’t think Sasuke is relevant
I think he trained whit his rinnegan, kurama at the final battle says that he whas starting to get used to his new awakening Rinnegan, we see that because he just use Amenotejikara 2 times in that fight (In kirin and swaping whith true seeking orb), i think thats the thing that whould put them in the same level, or he still has some of the chakra of all of the tailed bests (Sorry about the inglish)
@@star4crisis321Naruto knows all of the Rinnegan techniques. Also Sasuke was locked up while Naruto was training. Also Sasuke just saved Kakashi life so, statement might be a little bais lol.
Naruto also have ALL his techniques from their final fight. Including absorbing all Chakra from Nature
@@NerdAlert412 Naruto realistically wins more than Sasuke throughout like 9 or 10 to 7 for Sasuke 😊
also Naruto has 2 arms
So Sasuke had every advantage possible he could get against Naruto in their last fight, yet he loses, but then later he's stronger than Naruto because a novel says so?? That doesn't make sense to me. And if we're going by the sentence "kakashi's strongest student" well that doesn't mean much really because Naruto was more of Jiraiyas student than Kakashi's. Kakashi barely trained Naruto except helping him learn the rasenshuriken. Kakashi spent more time teaching Sasuke the chidori than he did with Naruto. Kakashi really only had 1 student, and was babysitting 2 others if we're being honest.
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Swag sometimes has VALID arguments, than other times they're VERY BIASED...
Basically imagine Obama giving Obama the medal.
swag is biased towards uchiha and always will be
I m pretty sure there is a time gap between the fight that sasuke loses and naruto the last movie so sasuke could've gotten stronger in the time gap
@@tara343 true but does that mean he’s stronger than Naruto based on one statement but Naruto during that time period has better feats. Sauske breaks a few meteors and that is more impressive than all of Naruto’s moon fight because of one statement
Swear y'all could be debating academy Sasuke vs war arc Naruto and still find a way to give the dub to Sasuke.
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Facts lol….like don’t y’all think Naruto with Gamabunta would win the first final Valley fight? Seems like for plot purposes he just forgot to summon him…and they forgot to mention this point in the video
Also, to not give Boruto era as a Naruto W when he has Baryon mode is just disingenuous
@@Footballazzgamabunta was only summoned because gamagichi was in danger and got hurt, naruto can’t just summon him and have him work
@@PaleRook the very first time he summoned him that’s exactly what happened…so idk why y’all keep saying this…on top of the respect he earned from being able to summon him multiple times and stay on his back, Gamabunta and Naruto built a bond after they fought Gaara together…y’all have no evidence that suggests he wouldn’t help Naruto in the Sasuke fight. Is it a possibility? Sure…is it a forgone conclusion? No.
Y’all just like saying this as a means to justify a plot hole/poor writing in the story and keep Sasuke’s artificial “victory” over Naruto.
it is a fact that base sasuke is stronger than base naruto for 75% of the show 🤣
Hold up, how are y’all just not gonna even mention Naruto tanking a attack that cut the moon in half? That’s like the craziest feat in all of Naruto
they are uchiha biased man. always have and always willbe.
Nah that the craziest visual feat not craziest feat
@@Alex-pm4tq I see nothing's changed, this is why I stopped watching this channel, I think he said some stupidness like Itachi would beat Pain or something like that and after that I never watched another video here lol, I only "watched" this one because I saw my brother watching it
@@gameuniverse5973 What do you mean by that?
Lol he also knocked a charka cloaked toneri with only 1 tail of the 9 tails.. besides his fist, naruto dropped down to base before he slept toneri 😂
A small push back against The Last victory for Sasuke.
Kakashi trained Susake much, much more than he did with Naruto. In all truth, Naruto was more of a student of the Pervy Sage than Kakashi. Kakashi saying Sasuke was his strongest student isn't really taking into account that Naruto was fighting against someone who was cutting the moon in half and throwing chunks of it at the planet. I think Naruto would have won a fight against Sasuke at that point only because he has no feats beside that single statement on his side.
That's kinda true , Naruto would be more " jiraiya's students" than kakashi. Kakashi only helped with rasenshuriken .
The very least you can't say that Sasuke wins that fight based on a loose statement.
Just because Jiraiya trained naruto more than Kakashi did doesn't mean he isn't a student of Kakashi. Kakashi was teaching naruto how to walk on trees, he told Naruto and even demonstrated how naruto can use shadow clones for training, he taught him about nature transformations and helped to incorporate that into the rasengan to creatd rasenshuriken, all of that is what Kakashi taught him as he studied under Kakashi so he is Kakashi's student and the statement about Sasuke being Kakashi's strongest student does indeed include Naruto.
@@metalfury123 if the statement was " Naruto is iruka's strongest student" would it also definitely be the absolute true ?
@@metalfury123 actually I would say old toad who taught him sage mode , is more of master than kakashi lol .
Kakashi only taught him walking water / made him realize his chakra nature . Naruto develop rasenshuriken just by seer determination and just "imagination" , kakashi don't even know what it's gonna be lol .
Kakashi is more of a support than a teacher , like iruka .
Everyone always forgets that naruto at the beginning jumped and tied up sasuke.
That was before they graduating the academy
That has no relevance to the discussion whatsoever. That was before they even graduated the academy and not only that but that wasn’t even an actual match.
These other people are unaware of the existence of jokes
@@slayed9602 So your saying Naruto would be an excellent Assassin?
Pretty sure OP was joking, guys. 👀
To be honest, Kakashi saying Sasuke is his strongest student is only true because Sasuke is the only one of the trio that he actually helped with training at all, Kakashi abandoned Sakura, he taught her ZERO jutsus, and the only little help he gave Naruto is a hint to the rasen shuriken HALFWAY THROUGH SHIPPUDEN.
It's safe to say Sasuke is Kalkashi's ONLY student, therefore the strongest.
Very true
It’s crazy how bad these teachers are at teaching their students anything when you look back. Kakashi was a bad teacher
“He gave Naruto a hint to the rasenshuriken halfway through Shippuden”
That’s just as much as he did for Sasuke before he left the village….all he did was teach Sasuke chidori lol. And wasn’t the entire use of shadow clones to speed up training Kakashi’s idea?
As always key details are omitted, they have to be, when hyping Naruto above Sasuke. Kakashi trained them equally til the exams. Where Sakura failed & Jiraiya took charge of Naruto telling Kakashi to focus on Sasuke (chapter 143, pages 3-8). Soon after Tsunade returned with Sakura choosing to train under her. He didn't abandon anyone and the shadow clone trick Kakashi told Naruto allowed him to make years of progress within a few weeks. Quickly learning wind style, RasenShuriken & Sage Mode.
@@Sasukeis6-0againstNaruto he did abandon Sakura. She had to go seek out a new master which didn’t even occur til the end of the series to learn something. Kakashi didn’t even teach her one type of genjustu and we know he’s capable. Kakashi is a deadbeat sensei
In the last movie: Naruto gains a new arm (made with hashirama cells), the other half of Kurama (5 bijuu at least worth of chakra), and an extra couple years worth of training.
Sasuke: Is still down an arm, and no longer has the nine bijuu supporting him
Swag and Seth: he’s Kakshi’s strongest student
and he's still just as strong as naruto lol
@@luvvsick1while sasuke should theoretically be as strong or imo slightly stronger than naruto. I just don’t think that’s the case. If sasuke actually used rinnegan like it’s supposed to be used then he would whoop up on naruto relatively easily, but he’s never actually shown to use it to its fullest capability which makes no sense considering how smart he is.
@@adamheath4599 i agree idk why why he never used it to its full extent
@@adamheath4599 in fact everyone who had a rinnegan got nerfed. Sad really.
@@luvvsick1 Obito had the Juubito is messing him up. So forget him using the rinnegan he couldn’t even use his Kamui. Yet Madara uses Kakashi’s kamui whilst as Juubidara.
Madara got nerfed that’s pretty obvious. Urashiki even if filler lost to 2 kids. He had multiple rinnegans (blue, red and gold). Momoshiki doesn’t use anything except sucking and spitting etc.
So it’s just rinnegan users in general.
I like how swag always finds a way to give Sasuke a win
Cause that's how it is in the manga
@@thesagerinnegan5898 nope
@@thesagerinnegan5898nah
@@thesagerinnegan5898 nope.
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I think one difference between KCM1 and KCM2 that people don't mention enough, and just why Naruto gets so strong so fast, is that Naruto gets KCM2 when he befriends Kurama, and he isn't using most of his chakra to suppress Kurama, and based on Kakashi's statement, Naruto essentially gets 25x stronger just by that fact alone
I've been saying this for such a long time and im glad someone else finally noticed it too
You're assuming Naruto has the same amount of chakra in both cases, but he definitely doesn't.
@@dontmisunderstand6041 I don't understand what you mean, what cases?
@@dontmisunderstand6041 If anything he would have even MORE base chakra between kcm 1 and 2 because in kcm 1 he was actively trading his own chakra for kuramas, in kcm 2, that "tax" no longer exists. So not only is naruto no longer expending chakra to keep the 9 tails suppressed, he also isn't wasting chakra on taking the 9 tails power either.
@@Farenhyte- kcm one is definitely Naruto with some of Kyuubi chakra he not trading it since we see in sage mode he does similar level of feats unless your saying sage mode is a way bigger boost than kcm
The longer this video goes on the more I start laughing, cause Sasuke somehow gets the edge every time in y’all’s eyes, even when it doesn’t fully make sense. And it’s just hilarious.
He does. Naruto is supposed to be the weaker one catching up to Sasuke. Yet people love Naruto so much and let personal bias get involved.
@@jameschristopher2540 The Last Swag and Six completely skip over all of Naruto’s feats for a statement. Sasuke has way less feats than Naruto in the movie, so Swag is biased for sure.
@@InfinityZeroEX we know that Naruto has more feats because he's the mc. He had the most screen time. And that's why we look at statements. Even after learning rasenshuriken and knowing it's strong against Sasuke's natural affinity he still felt like he'd lose. And this was a weaker hebi Sasuke or pre Orochimaru absorption. The only time I genuinely felt Naruto would win and was concerned for Sasuke was when Sasuke lost all his power ups to Itachi and Naruto gained like 5 more. Even then it was said his chakra was stronger in BASE than his curse mark state 2 which is a sage mode.
@@jameschristopher2540 when he said he would lose i feel people were misinterpreting it because that was the same Sage naruto yes he had help from 9 tails but fought a rinnegan user and won i don’t see Sasuke doing the same, swag and six even say they don’t see him doing the same back to the point but naruto meant even if he fought Sasuke he would just get stronger and the cycle continues or even if they killed each other the cycle still continues so in the end if he did win like hashirama he would still lose in the end and even more crazy is that In hindsight kid naruto was more confident in himself than teen naruto was he showed us every time he got more confident in himself after speaking with minato and kushina
Lol kinda weird for you to say that and not give any examples of anything they are wrong about.
Must be under some genjutsu with the amount of riding in this video
sasuke - loses to part 1 gaara and gets rescued by naruto. naruto - beats part 1 gaara. swag and six - yeah that one's probably a sasuke W
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Exactly!
Bro they did cover that. Naruto didn't beat Gaara, Gamabunta did. And they mentioned that Gamabunta would not have fought for Naruto in the same way if he had summoned him against Sasuke like he did for Gaara.
@@Paradoxikality doesn't change that Sasuke got overpowered by mid beast transformation Gaara while Naruto kicked Gaara around in his mid transformation
@@Paradoxikality the way they covered it didn’t really make sense to me. All they said was sasuke is faster than naruto and should be able to chidori him and that’s it. Even tho, it clearly wouldn’t be that simple cause sasuke wouldn’t go straight for chidori in character and naruto would probably have 100 clones out by the time sasuke whips out chidori in a fight between them. Like he did with gaara, sasuke, in character, would probably go for multiple chidori attempts in the fight and end up burning himself out and the curse mark would put such a strain on his body once he drains his chakra, that he wouldn’t be able to move, the same way he couldn’t against gaara. I think the way they analyzed this clearly had to do with bias. They point out in-character actions for some fights but others, they clearly choose not to over analyze in order to give sasuke a clear W.
Straight up highballing the shit outta Sasuke and Lowballing Naruto.
Spit
The swagkage way
Same Shìt i said
Yeah it’s why I stop watching halfway through. I know that’s the Swagkage way but Six wasn’t doing much better. Apparently they say War Arc Sasuke beats KCM Naruto 😂
@@jaceb3106 Yes he does. EMS Sasuke scales above KCM1 Naruto.
Now if you talk about KCM2 Naruto that’s a different story.
But EMS Sasuke Is definitely stronger than KCM1 Naruto. Even if you lowball Sasuke. It’s very basic scaling.
All I hear is “GAWK GAWK, I gotta give the point to sasuke”
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@@MT-xx5cd sasgay meatrider?
Bros emotional
How is a version of Sasuke that LOST to Gaara stronger than a version of Naruto that beat him??????????
This is sasuke's video, they bail him out everytime
they explained it. naruto only won because of gamabunta.
@@Bastolan naruto was still shitting on him with the clones
@@Random-ku1vu he had a mental amp.
Naruto won because of specific circumstances. Obviously Naruto wins with the summon. But gamabunta wouldn’t help him in a fight against Sasuke. Without gamabunta Naruto loses the fight. Just watch the video properly.
I need way more argumentation on why Early War Sasuke is superior to KCM Naruto.
Naruto's sheer speed and power just seem groosely more than Sasuke's Susanoo could handle, that add with clone tactics and Rasenshuriken.
The Itachi example doesn't sit right with me cause Naruto was trying to have a conversation and not actually subdue Itachi. Itachi also is in a state that's so much more optimal for his ability. He doesn't have Ninja-aids and has infinite Chakra.
I genuinely think Naruto just stomps again and again once he gets to KCM and further forms.
Naruto by that point Is faster than V2 cloak Raikage, and can fight, all battlefields at once. He is just overwhelming.
His best asset is Sasuke's weakness, he outruns him every time.
I agree. KCM naruto was doing some ridiculous shit in the early to mid war. His clones were fighting Kage level opponents and winning. I just don’t see how EMS Sasuke can keep up with him.
Also, Naruto JUST sent out DOZENS of clones to the battlefields that he would otherwise be able to use against Sasuke.
Naruto's speed are resolved amps. They only come up when he has to protect his comrades. Against Sasuke, it's nothing.
Ok compare kcm naruto with gai and kakashi vs obito to EMS sasuke and itachi verse kabuto and the rest of EMS sasukes feats throughout the war, if it’s kcm2 naruto swipes but EMS vs kcm1 that itachi was man handling sasuke wins
They really want us to believe that ems sasuke can beat 6 jinchuriki while fighting obito at the same time while having 20 shadow clones fighting a war simultaneously
Yeah. He's literally running along side that version of naruto
@@theonetrueedgelord3596 he gets mopped by all KCM forms.
@@fellowkrieger457 why
Just because he doesn't have as much chakra doesn't mean that he's weaker. It's like saying that part 1 Naruto without Kurama is stronger than Kakashi just because he's able to summon 1000 shadow clones
@@zecikk_5651 also sasuke literally does have as much chakra as kcm naruto. He literally matched his chakra levels with Amaterasu. He doesn't have as much chakra as kcm 2 though
"the curse mark is messing with him badly" so he finally knows how naruto feels with the 9 tails literally 100% of the time lol.
Naruto did better against Gaara than Sasuke did ain't no way he's losing that one
Wrong. Sasuke defeated Gaara Twice. Once in the Chunin Exams then in his Half Bijuu form. He then collapsed from exhaustion because unlike Gaara he cannot refill his Chakra. When Naruto fought Gaara he spent chapters getting his ass beat until he used power of friendship and made thousand clones and finally was able to hurt Gaara. Hell Naruto was so scared of Gaara and tried to get the matched stopped because he thought Gaara was unbeatable. Naruto is nowhere near as strong as Sasuke in the Chunin exams.
@@celestialsoldier622 how is that beating gaara when gaara was regenerating himself right afterwards lol? sasuke is losing there. sasuke saw gamabunta and pissed himself, he even doubted himself saying is this naruto? stop the wanking dude. you're coping way too much right now, sasuke lose only because gaara regenerates like wtf is that? that's like saying lee lost only because gaara used sand armor. a lost is a lost, deal with it.
@@lolcall5295 Sasuke and Gaara Clashed, Sasuke overpowered him and ripped through his Arm therefore Sasuke was stronger. Healing doesn't change the fact that Sasuke overpowered him. Furthermore, Sasuke beat him so badly in the Chunin Exams that he passed out and had to be save by his Sister to recover only to lose a second time from a tired Sasuke.
Naruto used Kurama Chakra to Summon Gamabutna.
Unlike Naruto Sasuke was bodying Gaara without a random Friendship boost. Before it Naruto was legit getting his ass beat for i swear 4 chapters without getting in any hits. Sasuke did way better than Naruto.
@@celestialsoldier622 sasuke was stronger? dude, gaara regenerate and then sasuke can't move, look at that fight, gaara is fine while sasuke is done. by your logic rock lee using gates to attack gaara was rock lee beating gaara when gaara was the one who won that round. stop coping dude. In a fight, the loser is the one who can't move by the end of the fight and sasuke can't move while gaara is still going strong. The f u talking about with the friendship boost when naruto was an UZUMAKI with huge chakra and been shown in the very FIRST CHAPTER to be capable of summoning thousands of clones to beat up mizuki. should i remind you of the fact that the gaara that naruto fought is the one who transformed even further, the one who almost completely transform? meaning he's even stronger than the one sasuke fought? of course we don't even talked about naruto using kurama's chakra to summon gamabunta because sasuke CANNOT COMPETE WITH THAT AT ALL. sasuke can't even beat partial transformed gaara while naruto was out there beating a shukkaku and here you are saying sasuke is stronger than naruto? get outta here dude.
@@celestialsoldier622 go read chapter 128. in sasuke's own words : "damn it.. can't move" while gaara was rushing towards him and then naruto kicked gaara away to save sasuke. how is that sasuke beating gaara when sasuke was there lying unable to fight back anymore? you telling me this sasuke is stronger than naruto using red cloak who then summons gamabunta and defeat a full power shukkaku? lol. he can't even incapacitate a half partial transform gaara.
12:36 To be fair, Naruto was giving Transformed Gaara the hands for a good while in that fight.
True but they put it as a in character situation. Personally I don’t think Naruto would stick an exploding tag kunai up sasuke’s ass
@@aplahet3867 probably because kishimoto couldn’t use the it for comedy purposes like he did for gaara because sasuke wouldve died
@@stlegion-px1wo ok so it’s still not in character then
Naruto would just summon 1k clones and stomp Sasuke out, those clones managed to fold Gaara who at that point was way stronger than Sasuke after transforming over and over. And we saw one transformation made Gaara way faster and stronger.
@@aplahet3867 "still not in character"
Oh yeah because you know Narutos character better than kishimoto 😂😂😂
What a clown
sasuke really dodged a forehead scar by putting on his headband.. but the fact that naruto scratched him shows that he proved sasuke wrong when sasuke kept claiming naruto could never land a hit on his forehead.
Facts
Yeah, but that's actually the reason Sasuke put on the headband: to give Naruto the chance to prove him wrong. He respected him as an equal in that moment.
still, proving sasuke wrong probably only made him wanna leave the village more since he didn't feel strong enough
God im so annoyed with the sasuke wank fest in this video.
Just tldr the ones you got wrong
Garra arc=naruto wins
-this is so obvious that i cant believe these guys still manage to give sasuke the with. Naruto was beating the shit outta garra even without gamabunta.
-Second, you guys clearly show your biases when you give every mental amp sasuke got in the series as an upgrade to his power and then turn around and invalidates every mental amp naruto got.
-Third, after sage mode its as clear as day that naruto is superior to sasuke. Yall watch what sage mode did to kurama and think 5 kage summit sasuke equals to that is dumb. And after all that naruto did in kcm1 in the war, i cant believe you think sasuke would win lmao.
-fourth the Last naruto has way better feats then sasuke whether you like it or not.
This video is clearly giving sasuke all amps he got as a permanate thing and then goes on to say all the amps naruto go as a temporary thing smh
@@fahimfahim624 you're not wrong. and you live up to your name haha. you truly are fahim
Just wanna point out that in a lot of the head-to-head fights Naruto and Sasuke have, Naruto is prevented from winning through plot reasons because it would prevent the plot from happening. A good example of this is the first Valley of the End fight in which Naruto absolutely curbstomps Sasuke when they're both fighting all-out, but Naruto refuses to fight at his best in both the beginning and end of the fight and so he loses. In their final all-out attack, Sasuke goes for a killing blow while Naruto simply tries to damage Sasuke's headband to send him a message, because in the end he's not trying to hurt Sasuke, he's trying to help his friend, and he realizes violence isn't doing that.
Similarly, in the rooftop fight when they first use their signature moves on each other, it's interrupted just as Naruto is about to straight 1shot and probably kill Sasuke. There's a whole big reveal moments after the fight that Naruto's rasengan was actually MUCH stronger than Sasuke's chidori, which is arguably the thing that drives Sasuke off the deep end to begin with.
Point being, the plot constantly makes it look like Naruto can't beat Sasuke when he actually can. He just doesn't WANT to, and on top of that, the plot itself doesn't want him to. I would honestly say that Naruto either ties or takes the win at pretty much every point starting from the rooftop fight, save for their reunion at the beginning of Shippuden in which Sasuke had obviously received much better timeskip training. Aside from that one scenario though, Naruto seems to keep up with or outpace Sasuke at every point past the chunin exams.
Frankly, even before that, Naruto destroys Sasuke at any time if Kurama is brought into the equation. Idk why you're saying it "doesn't count," I think all the people he bends over with it would disagree. Honestly the fact that he effortlessly pushes Haku's shit in after Sasuke gets finessed moments prior says enough. If you put those two at full power, there are VERY few scenarios where Sasuke actually wins and honestly a lot where Naruto absolutely destroys him.
Naruto's the main character. Idk what you guys are trying to prove by arguing against that, but na, at full power he wins at practically every point in the show EXCEPT the very start of Shippuden.
Edit: Also, Naruto assassinates Sasuke at the very beginning of the series, while suffering from food poisoning and explosive shits, all so he can talk to Sakura alone. I don't think this actually does much for my argument but it sure is funny.
Yesssss
Yeah I kinda feel this way (for most the weries beyond the start of Shippuden) too. Except you can argue that it wouldn't be in character for Naruto to go completely 100% in a fight when that means using Nine Tails Chakra while Sasuke would absolutely spam and use his Sharingan/Curse Mark as much as possible.
This is anti Sasuke propaganda. Sasuke was much stronger in the first valley of the end fight, Naruto only starts to challenge him when gets a rage amp and 9 tails power up that he can’t control. Sasuke had multiple chances to take him out earlier than that, and Sasuke was the one toying with Naruto in the beginning of that fight. Sasuke had the upper hand, and was still getting shots on Naruto, even with his 9 tails amp.
Same with Haku, Sasuke is carrying for the entire fight, Naruto gets a temporary rage power up from the 9 tails that he can’t normally access or control, and Haku on top of that even let’s himself get punched, and that punch was not what defeated him. He also spares Naruto and Sasuke multiple times in that fight.
So in part 1, Sasuke is pretty consistently stronger except for some times when Naruto gets a 9 tails power up, which is not in his control and hard to access. And even then Sasuke is still able to take him with curse mark.
Rasengan having more power than chidori, and Sasuke being insecure about that, doesn’t necessarily mean Naruto would win a fight or is overall stronger either. That narratively was meant to imply that Sasuke needs to leave the village to learn stronger techniques.
@@donovan4222 he literally wrote “Naruto destroys Sasuke at any time if kurama is brought into the conversation”. Nobody is arguing that Naruto could’ve beaten Haku fight sasuke without Kurama
@@donovan4222 You watch these channels too much if "anti-sasuke propaganda" is even a term in your vocabulary. Nothing you said here made any sense, you just made up a bunch of baseless statements that contradict the evidence I've already gone over then said "I don't care about the evidence that discredits me, I just want to say Sasuke's better even if I have no argument whatsoever." I mean, I don't even know where to begin with trying to respond because you didn't provide any counterarguments to any of my points, you just said "no lol that's wrong because I don't recognize these facts as facts."
Now I remember why I took a break from swagkage vs battles. He takes anything said about a character straight up when it's for a character he prefers, but when it's a character he doesn't prefer those same kind of statements just get dismissed as a lie or something
This exactly, he doesn’t like narrative when it doesn’t favour his opinion. I still like him a lot but it’s definitely noticeable.
Then why watch the video? It's like going to the cinema to watch a movie you absolutely hate
God im so annoyed with the sasuke wank fest in this video.
Just tldr the ones you got wrong
Garra arc=naruto wins
-this is so obvious that i cant believe these guys still manage to give sasuke the with. Naruto was beating the shit outta garra even without gamabunta.
-Second, you guys clearly show your biases when you give every mental amp sasuke got in the series as an upgrade to his power and then turn around and invalidates every mental amp naruto got.
-Third, after sage mode its as clear as day that naruto is superior to sasuke. Yall watch what sage mode did to kurama and think 5 kage summit sasuke equals to that is dumb. And after all that naruto did in kcm1 in the war, i cant believe you think sasuke would win lmao.
-fourth the Last naruto has way better feats then sasuke whether you like it or not.
This video is clearly giving sasuke all amps he got as a permanate thing and then goes on to say all the amps naruto go as a temporary thing smh
My guy, they literally used the time Zetsu/Obito told Sasuke, Naruto was stronger as support to why Naruto wins that fight.
why do you guys even watch him? when his clearly out of touch
My one problem with judging first fight in tht Vally of the End is that in that fight Naruto starts from position of relative exhaustion. He has been chasing Sasuke all day and fighting numerous ninja including Kimimaro, while Sasuke was morphing into his 2nd stage curse mark. So while Sasuke wins this fight, I would argue that he is in generally better shape at the start of it, and in the end it is pretty equal, so this possible imballance might have influanced the outcome
Sasuke also had killer intent Naruto did not
@@atcandotherthings4985 Killer intent? Sasuke definitely didn't have that either. Intent to actually hurt maybe. If he wanted to kill him he definitely had the chance when naruto was completely unconscious.
@@SpankyyNinja yep, also intent doesn't sway it because that's in character, like Naruto with the headband it wouldn't go a different way. For that reason tho I think Sasuke takes it usually because Naruto will always pull up short of killing him, and doesn't have any good restraining techniques. But he is maybe stronger
I don’t think he’s that tired he only fights kimimaro and maybe you could say the jurobo dome drained some chakra but it couldn’t have been that much cause the other rookies were fine enough to fight and they have way less chakra than naruto
@@SpankyyNinjahe literally put a hole through Naruto’s chest and was surprised when it healed
Bro watched Sasuke and Sasuke Shippuden 💀
the sasuke meat riding is insane😭
I cant imagine how sasuke catches up to naruto after the war arc. The statement for sasuke is pretty conclusive and unfortunate :(. After sasuke absorbes all the bijuu and still cant win against naruto, I dont know how he just passively becomes that much stronger and then some. If anyone has any ideas please let me know
Oh obvious Sasuke is shown traveling with him training regularly while Naruto does not get to do that as much but getting the other half of Kurama was probably a mega boost for him
@@gameuniverse5973I guess but training against who. Casual regular training isn’t gonna really boost you that much. There’s nobody in his level and his eyes have not changed. Like with the tailed beast he was able to create an Indra susanoo beyond the perfect susanoo and had far more chakra at his disposal. Current Sasukes just stuck at the perfect susanoo level .
@@gameuniverse5973 you forgot Naruto was super busy with missions just before he became hokage so that points isn't so relevant. Naruto wasn't just home staring at his ceiling.
@@watever9162 And the worst thing is he got other half of kurama. It doesn't make any sense how Sasuke is stronger
Sasuke just got his chakra back cause unlike Naruto, Sasuke is getting a big fatigue simply for existing plus Sasuke has a mental nerf and Naruto at his best in Shippuden could only tie with him
I used to mow lawns. I would listen to your older video of narutoVsasuke multiple times a month because it was so interesting. Thanks for recreating it!
I mean it would have been nice if they talked about feats or abilities at all with The Last section. There are plenty of times during these fight analysis videos that people don’t just take explicit dialogue like “Oh he’s definitely the strongest” at face value but were happy to here.
Really it’s just that meteor feat compared to EVERYTHING Naruto did throughout the movie so it feels pretty lazy or disingenuous or whatever to just be like “Well they said he was the strongest student, so he wins!” When you have everything Naruto did compared to everything Sasuke did and it seems like a clear win for Naruto. And they just completely take that line for face value, like I said when they don’t always do that for other lines.
The Uchiha bias is strong in Swagkage
Naruto didn't even go full power against toneri with six paths .
Only kcm and normal sage mode .
Edit : forgot to mention he was at half chakra too because kurama was summoned out to fight that stone golem .
This video is clearly giving sasuke all amps he got as a permanate thing and then goes on to say all the amps naruto go as a temporary thing smh
Yk what’s funny, if we being fully transparent Sasuke is Kakashi’s ONLY student. He didn’t teach Sakura shit and barely trained Naruto. Manz literally pushed Naruto away to train Sasuke when they were genin and then the only thing after he taught him after is GIVE HIM A HINT on how to make the Rasenshirken. So Sasuke being the strongest student doesn’t mean shit to me lmao
@@AceTheCap823 yea he told naruto to cut a leaf spilt a water fall then fuse a rasengan and the energy and didnt do nuthin else
Oh boy i cant wait to get a totally unbiased view on an Uchiha vs nonUchiha from swagkage.
I think to be fair about the Naruto/Sasuke fight at the end of Naruto you have to take into consideration that Naruto had been running for days and fighting the Sound Ninja 4/5 chasing after Sasuke while he napped in a box.
Kuruma says what's up
That's fair actually
He also fought kimimaru
@@uchihaclan1356 you talked as if kurama's chakra had no drawbacks. in the first final valley, sasuke even mentioned : "of course, your power has drawbacks as well". that was when naruto said : "i can't feel my arms". So yeah, kurama's chakra also has drawbacks on naruto be it the lowest stage or the higher state with the exception of during war arc because naruto fully controlled that at that point. naruto was using this chakra even against kimimaro lol.
Yuuup
I remember watching the old version of this video and nothing changes with the remake... Swag is still ridin Sasuke's dick.
Their final confrontation was the culmination of their longstanding conflict, the moment their feud came to and end and their friendship finally solidified. Sasuke accepted Naruto as an equal while Naruto achieved his goal of redeeming Sasuke. Literally sealed in blood.
Nah Sasuke accepted defeat he himself said Naruto won
Sasuke was never equal, he is far behind now more than ever
Tried to like this 50 times but TH-cam hoed me
@@markystark4588😂
let's not kid ourselve here naruto was always meant to be stronger than saskue and the funny thing is he was able to fight with saskue in the end with just half kurama chakra despite being fighting against multiple enemy in the war and still could have solo saskue in the end if he wanted to kill him
The sasuke glaze is crazy 😭😭
Hour-long Naruto videos from Swag are what I live for!
It's not a one hour video
@@ogsai357 55 minutes is practically an hour
@@qlitch no it's not dumbazz
@@ogsai357yes it is.
@@ogsai35755 mins 47 seconds, you round anything over 5 up, it's basically an hour Cob load.
I wouldn’t say that blind Sasuke and base Naruto are tied. Yeah they clashed but Sasuke went balls deep with intent to murder him while Naruto only wanted to talk and understand Sasuke
Lol
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Yet Sasuke fought Bee then the kages, Danzo then Kakashi and Sakura then Naruto and tho he was trying to kill he was really exhausted. This NARUTO HAD THE CHANCE to beat the hell out of Sasuke and bring him back. Yet he couldn't. Anyway, that Sasuke was always stronger than Naruto so it makes sense.
@@jameschristopher2540 Sasuke was healed multiple times during these encounters and saying Sasuke and Naruto didn’t really fight they clashed one time. I’m saying in a fight with pain with no help besides the intel he gains is not beating pain due to bad stamina. And Naruto himself said it wasn’t that he couldn’t beat Sasuke physically it was that he wanted to stop Sasuke ideologically which he couldn’t do at the time
@@jameschristopher2540 You forget that Obito + Zetsu were watching the entire fight & if Naruto even tried to take Sasuke back, Sasuke was on the verge of dying, or Sasuke was about to kill Naruto then Obito would prevent it from happening since they need to capture the 8 Tails before dealing with Naruto. Furthermore, the Konoha 11 flat out got on Naruto's case for not dealing with weakened + blind Sasuke which Naruto told them why it was impossible at that time.
Orochimaru wasnt trying to stop Sasuke from fighting like he was against Naruto
true tho
Very true. Swag has obvious blinders when it comes to the Uchiha.
And you wanna give Naruto feats he didn't show because of that while ignoring the ones Sasuke showed?
@@marko1263 Orochimaru could’ve ended the fight against Sasuke in half a second if he wanted to. Why are you acting like that fight was in any way indicative of their level against an opponent like that?
@@Profitglutton90 Because Orochimaru explicitly praised Sasuke's skills and techniques and compared his prowess with Itachi's. You can't not count this just because Naruto didn't get a chance to show off.
Pretty sure the asteroid sasuke slashed is smaller than the moon that was split in half 😂😂
Careful they will "scale" the asteroid to be bigger than earth 😂
You guys are wanking Sasuke way too much. I love how you guys restrict Naruto from using the Ninetails when you know damn well he would use it whether he wants to or not. Naruto has no say as to when the Ninetails comes out. And trust me he’s coming out when it’s life or death. Whether it’s the first fight or the last one. Naruto claps, Sasuke’s Buttcheeks.
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Y’all Naruto meat riders are mad because Sasuke wipes him for majority of the series. Y’all like to give Naruto every power buff possible even when they don’t come out in normal scenarios.
Just like the gamabunta thing. Even if Naruto summoned him, gamabunta wouldn’t fight Sasuke.
@@slayed9602 bro the nine tails was overpowered in early Naruto. Just like the sharingan became op in shippuden. You can’t deny that. Here’s the difference between Naruto and Sasuke. Naruto is still OP without the Ninetails because of his endless amount of chakra. Sasuke, on the other hand, becomes useless without the Sharingan. These are facts.
@@THEFAUCIVACCINE Naruto is utterly useless without kurama. Kurama was boosting his base reserves ever since he was sealed away.
Kurama isn’t Naruto’s power, the sharingan is sasuke’s power. That’s the disparity between Sasuke and Naruto. Not only that but Sasuke is much more interesting and entertaining fighter.
Naruto basically spans two techniques the entire series. Sasuke has versatility that makes his fight entertaining to watch.
@@slayed9602According to the anime eyes, don’t belong to anyone. Last I recall Sasuke had or has Itati‘s eyes after all. Hell madaras straight up stoled kakashis so nope it’s not Sasukes. Plus you forgot Kurama was actually interfering with Naruto more than he was helping. Certain characters stated that Kurama was interfering with Narutos chakra. Naruto, as an anime sucks. But he’s OP with or without Kurama.
As time goes on Sasuke just loses harder.
Literally not true at several points sasuke regains the lead it's only near the end when Naruto is really better
@@sarexui634 I meant that as in Sasuke’s losses become harder.
@@alionzaf1778really hebi Sasuke vs beggining of Shippuden Naruto to rasenshuriken loses except for four tails who i argue is the only way Naruto wins at that time period
I know you skipped the academy, but Naruto just straight up hog tied sasuke at the start of the series. That 'better ninja' business might be up in the air. Painting the entire hokage monument before anyone notices isn't something I see sasuke pulling off
Naruto definitely has better stealth and evasion, since he even outwitted chunin before graduating, but in a straight fight he just sucks. That's inarguable.
Bro really kidnapped sasuke that’s +1 baby
You Naruto fanboys are reaching hard. Naruto was regularly getting bodied in the academy by Sasuke and that's how he developed his obsession in the first place.
@@marko1263 That is true but Naruto was never weaker than sasuke. Naruto just didn't know how to use his own power properly. Sasuke had to get get curse marks to catch up to Naruto and was still weaker than him. Only reason why Naruto lost final valley fight is bc Naruto was holding back not trying to kill Sasuke
@@karmst1996 That's completely false.
I do love that they limit naruto constantly because of his personality, but Sasuke never gets limited by the fact that he has no endurance and has no ability to take a hit even 1/10 as well as naruto.
“Has no endurance and no ability to take a hit”
Lol bro you just hate Sasuke
LOL Sasuke was nerfed from copying over 1000 jutsu like Kakashi, lost the Curse Mark, didn't obtain EMS right after Itachi died, doesn't use all Rinnegan paths, lost his sword for ONE fight (guess who it was against) & doesn't use his teleportation to his full advantage.
Kakashi could have showed him a ton of jutsu to copy in Part One. Then he trained with Orochimaru, whose ambition is to master every jutsu, for 3 years. EMS Sasuke would have no problems with anyone he faced pre-war (aside from Tobi). Especially with the Curse Mark (Senjutsu Susano).
He conveniently lost his sword right before he fought Naruto (fell in lava) despite always having post time skip. He lost it just for that fight seeing as he got a new one & always had it after. Said swords easily pierced Juubi Madara & adult SPSM Naruto. With teleportation he can dodge every attack and have Naruto hit by his own moves (RasenShuriken, Bijudama) by swapping with them at the right moment.
@@Sasukeis6-0againstNaruto Sasuke absorbed the Chakra of all the other tailed beast, and the other half of Kurama, yet still barely managed a draw against a suppressed Naruto. Naruto was also way more exhausted than Sasuke, as he had to fight a whole war beforehand. Hell Sasuke even had to absorb more Chakra from Naruto just so he wouldn't lose.
@@minimalthyme_gaming9886
>Cites Sasuke absorbing Biju chakra
>Ignores the chakra he spent capturing them
>Cites Naruto fighting throughout the war (chakra was replenished by Hagoromo & Yang Kyuubi was replaced with the fresh Yin half)
>Ignores Biju being used throughout the war (never replenished)
He was forced to go all out. Used all the power he had & could get. Unlike Sasuke who conserved Biju chakra to undo Infinite Tsukuyomi (hence trying to get more after Indra's arrow). Anyway, he could have immediately killed him. As stated earlier.
@@Sasukeis6-0againstNaruto I was going to give reasonable arguments, but then I remembered to look at your pfp. So yeah I'm not going to waste my time.
After the final valley fight Naruto is always ahead of Sasuke. He couldn’t win with killing intent and 8 of the nine tails chakra fully absorbed. After that battle he never has access to power like that again while Naruto still has Kcm2 Sage mode with SO6P chakra. Plus sage mode would stomp a single sharingan. The sensory boost alone makes genjutsu almost useless did y’all forget?
You mean after sage mode naruto is always ahead of sasuke, not after the final valley
Post nerf is really hard to judge, remember that blind Madara had rinnegan abilities.
Adult Sasuke and Naruto are specifically called equals with Naruto probably needed bm to far surpass Sasuke
@@garyrddy286 😆😆😆
@@garyrddy286 sage mode gets beat by curse mark level 1 so no.
Sasuke is definitely not stated and very unlikely to be able to suppress 4-Tails-Naruto, at this moment naruto is not conscious anymore, so Sasuke doesn't have a connection he can use to enter Naruto and that he needs that to do it would not just make more sense but the only time Sasuke really suppressed the ninetails in naruto there were this exact conditions
EDIT: also if we go with the theory that sasuke used a genjustu on Naruto to suppress the ninetails, then it's even much more likely, bc of the way how genjutsus are stated and implied to work
Naruto still has eyes and a mind even though he’s not conscious and wrapped in the 4TK cloak. It is even less stated and unlikely to be true that Naruto needs to be conscious for this Sharingan Kyuubi suppression trick to work.
@@xinf3ctdxyuh last I checked obito ain’t need to nine tails to be inside an awake body
Bruh. Kurama outright stated Sasuke is the spittle image of Mardara Uchiha. Someone who can control him
I mean , I’d be pissed if the guy who coercively kidnapped the closest thing I had to a brother said I’m not even in his league. I can’t imagine Orochimaru and Sasuke switching places and resulting in Naruto getting an L. He probably just said that to piss him off even more. 4T Naruto slammed his hand on the ground and made a blast similar in size to Deidaras self destruct C0, and shot a mouth laser capable of destroying Orochimarus Rashoman. Oro flat out said he wouldn’t survive tanking it head on. Supported by the fact Jiraiya said he nearly died when Naruto attacked him using 3/4 tails. And that was before Naruto even arrived back at the village.
One thing I never understand about Naruto is how Sasuke would ever catch up to Naruto after the final Final Valley fight.
Like, Sasuke loses all the Bijuu as a source of chakra and and arm, and Naruto gains Hashirama Cells, has a second arm and gains half the Kyuubi.
It doesn’t make sense whatsoever.
Love the video and the efforts guys, keep it up.
Though I would like to mention that Naruto was also nerfed in the preliminary rounds against kiba. If you remember when orochimaru put the 5 element point seal on top of the 8 trigrams seal. That messed Naruto's chakra control up worse than it already was, we even get to see it when Naruto starts his training in the 1 month training time before the finals. When he is trying to learn the water walking exercise with jiraiya.
Sasuke was way more nerfed was heavily injured and the cm1 had a negative effect on his body
@@gameuniverse5973 sasuke was definitely not more nerfed when it came to chakra control.
@@gameuniverse5973 although that is a good point, it was already established by Swag and six. However Naruto's nerf wasn't.
@@StrapK19 you mean swag and six?
@@cobrakaineverdies-i2k yeah sorry swag🤣
I think one overlooked thing that complicates a lot of the early fights is that Naruto could theoretically summon 2000 clones, and I don’t see those versions of Sasuke dealing with that. But Naruto’s clone capacity is kinda inconsistent especially that early.
He only does those types of feats when his life is on the line, in most of these fights against sasuke he would not do this
@@garyrddy286 It's not when his life is on the line it's when he's protecting something precious to him.
Even valley of the end sauske struggled against kyubi clones .
@@jouskehigaskita8835 he didnt, once he unlocked his third tomoe he took every clone out with taijutsu and then fire style
@@garyrddy286 he does that and quite a lot in the first valley. He was smacking Sasuke around.
The uchiha meat riding in this video is crazy
I 100% believe that end of chunking exams naruto beats end of chunin exams saskuke.Sasuke was SHOOK watching gaara and naruto fight,and even before naruto pulled out the summon he was doing better against a half transformed gaara than sasuke was.I’m pretty sure that by having sasuke say (not a exact quote) “When did naruto get this strong” Kishimoto was not trying to convey that sasuke was stronger😂😂
1. “He was doing better” is arguable, Naruto was doing better at the time, but that was after Gaara was already SHOOK by Sasuke and running away from him for the entire fight.
2. Sasuke being surprised at Naruto’s strength doesn’t mean Naruto is stronger. Sasuke is insecure about Naruto catching up or surpassing him, that doesn’t mean everytime Sasuke worries about it that Naruto actually did surpass him.
Naruto was too scared to even fight base Gaara with Shikamaru by his side. He didn't think any of them could beat Gaara so he vouched for Kakashi to stop Sasuke's match. Then became jealous upon seeing the results (chapter 114, page 6). Under normal circumstances Sasuke was far above. In the Forest Naruto had temporary friendship (creating 1000 clones which he never does normally) & Kurama amps. While Sasuke, with no rest, fell short having reached his Chidori limit. In full health he'd have one more which would have finished Gaara as the prior Chidori left him defenseless.
Gaara was literally going to kill Sasuke until Naruto came in. Gaara was regenerating and draining sasuke so easily that fight was pretty much written as an endurance battle and sasuke did not do well whatsoever once Gaara kept going more into his Bijuu. Sasuke was only beating base Gaara. Naruto in base came in clapping Bijju Gaara so 😭 and he beat him. it’s insane to ignore that
Obviously amped Naruto low diffs Sasuke but in a vacuum Sasuke takes this
@@brothsipper-h5o that’s the best way to put it.
Once again, let’s take a moment to appreciate the effort Swag puts in his videos 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
there is no effort its just him talking w a friend about anime. & adding pictures for context so people dont be confused about the conversation
Once again, let's take a moment to NOT appreciate how this type of comment or his uploads or madara are the only comments on his videos anymore.
No appreciation for the boi six
Goku solos
Swag the definition of quality over quantity
Regarding the Five Kage Summit, I think it’s totally fair to include Naruto’s feats against Kurama, since his strength wouldn’t have increased much, if at all from his fight with exhausted Sasuke. And if you include that Sage Naruto… then I don’t see how Sasuke could win.
Naruto should be far too offensively powerful for the Susano’o to withstand. In terms of Sasuke’s speed and attacks Naruto has both the Sage Mode Speed Amp and the sensory capabilities. And while he can’t enter a true Bijū Sage Mode, he can still draw on Kurama’s chakra while in Sage Mode, like we saw with him glaring down Nagato. It isn’t the War Arc Stuff, but it’s a possible thing for him to pull out.
SM Naruto has crazy reaction speed so dodging an arrow is possible
SM Naruto should be able to damage any form of MS Sasuke’s Susanoo if Tsunade cracked through EMS/Rinnegan Madara’s incomplete version.
By the 5 Kage Summit Arc Naruto might be able to make more than 3 SM clones. Even with 3 including himself that’s 20 mins of SM beatdown potential. Sasuke was half dead after a 10 min battle against Danzo who never really hit him. Naruto’s summons totally outclass Sasuke’s hawk plus the ultimate Toad Genjutsu is also an option.
Naruto's feats against Kurama are not simply sage mode. It's a sage mode with no limits due to him constantly gathering nature energy due to not actually being moving at the time. Basically infinite chakra.
@@dontmisunderstand6041 Not really. His Sage Mode wouldn’t time out, but Sage Mode doesn’t provide infinite chakra.
Senjutsu Chakra is composed of the correct combination of Natural Energy, Physical Energy and Spiritual Energy. Meaning when you use Senjutsu Chakra you’re also expending your own Chakra. Being a Sage doesn’t mean you have extra chakra, just that the Chakra you do have is now significantly amped.
By adding a third external source of energy, even if all 3 were perfectly equal in their ratios (which, we're given pretty considerable indicators that ratios are jutsu dependent in the first place, not purely equal), that's still a 50% increase in chakra. You are still expending some of your own chakra to do what you do in sage mode, though significantly less than you would need to without sage mode.
@@nicodemusedwards6931 he also had bee and Kushina to help him also no you can't use the feats he used with Kurama since it acted like Naruto had days after the five kage summit
After sasuke saw what naruto did to the water tower
he became evil 💀
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I think there's a couple issues with these battles. It's stated in the series, multiple times, that it is orders of magnitude harder to fight an opponent and beat them without killing intent, than to beat them with it. In the situations where Naruto and Sasuke either directly fought, Naruto always fought without killing intent while Sasuke fought with it. Because of this, I think Naruto takes both VotE fights when the characters are being freed from plot handicaps. Additionally, during the Forest of Death Naruto has a lot more stamina than Sasuke, and the curse mark ruined Sasukes body with very little usage. If Sasuke can't kill Naruto quickly I don't think he wins that battle either so Naruto is probably favored or perhaps 50/50 there.
Ugh thank you for this. It’s a well known fact in anime that fighting without intent to kill limits you heavily. And with the first fight they have sasuke won with what a 1%-5% victory over naruto without naruto trying to kill him and if he would have been that would easily over take that difference
That's not stated in the series any times, let alone multiple times
@@grizzlygaming1835 yet Sasuke always fails to kill Naruto when he had many chances throughout their encounters? Where are you then?
Why doesn't Sasuke ever try to REALLY kill Naruto. In fact the only time he genuinely tries to kill him was when he was fighting him in the lake thing where Sakura was saved as usual.
Just because someone has kill intent doesn't mean they are constantly going all out to kill the other immediately.
Valley One - In order to test their power, Sasuke chose to collide Chidori into Rasengan twice instead of evade to hit Naruto directly.
Valley Two - Sasuke immediately teleports behind and smacks Naruto away with Chidori instead of using a lightning sword to slice him in half like Madara for an easy win. He wanted to beat peak Naruto so he forced him to go all out before going for the kill.
How does Retrieval arc Naruto stand a chance? Sasuke was evading One Tails Naruto without the Curse Mark. Kurama attacking through the cloak was the problem (chapter 231 pages 4-7). CM1 then tanked a punch & Naruto's arm went numb just from colliding with CM2's wing. Furthermore Naruto can only access Kurama's chakra when given. Kurama stepped in multiple times when Naruto would have lost before the final Chidori-Rasengan clash that Sasuke allowed to happen after not killing in the first Chidori usage before Kurama could even get involved.
As for the Forest, you must be again giving Naruto temporary Kyuubi boost he can't access alone if you think he beats Sasuke. Even then, Sasuke's perfomance against Orochimaru dwarfed Naruto's. Then with CM he easily defeated the Sound Ninja who beat Lee who previously beat him & Naruto. With Naruto being knocked out from one attack while Sasuke remained conscious after stronger hits.
During the 2nd exam, Sasuke could only maintain Lee's speed for a short amount of time as his body had not acclimated to the physical effort required to maintain it.
So if that's your excuse for Sasuke beating kyubi amp Naruto, then it doesn't work.
Here's the thing Sasuke has Lee's speed without using his Sharingan meaning Sharingan Sasuke is much faster then Lee so if the fight goes on a while Sasuke can and would just activate the sharingan
@@SRVaris nigga the sharingan doesn’t give you speed, when sasuke fought lee that much was stated, your eyes are only about to predict and see faster opponents but it’s useless if your body isn’t fast enough to keep up with your eyes
@@sweezxo " when sasuke fought lee that much was stated, your eyes are only about to predict and see faster opponents but it’s useless if your body isn’t fast enough to keep up with your eyes"
Those aren't exclusive Sasuke's body wasn't fast enough to react to Lee the Sharingan can still(And is) be a speed amp in that situation it just means that the Speed amp in that situation wasn't enough for Sasuke's body to keep up
We see during Sasuke's fight with Naruto when Sasuke's Sharingan evolved he was then able to keep up with Naruto(Kyuubi's chakra) in speed
@@SRVaris he was able to better predict his movements before he made then giving him the ability to barely block in time, rewatch that fight bc he clearly didn’t get any faster
@@SRVaris i want whatever you're smoking dawg lol
it's either they tie or naruto wins by 2-3 points. there's no way sasuke beats naruto during any part of the war, sasuke does not beat naruto during the last, and sasuke definitely does not beat naruto post nerf. naruto has the best sage mode and now can have ma and pa merge on his shoulders.
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@@uchihaclan1356 what did i say that's wrong?
@@7aemr nothing you spoke facts here
@@cobrakaineverdies-i2k cobra kai never dies!
seriously, how does naruto beat sasuke with half the nine tails, but then loses to sasuke in the last when naruto now has the full nine tails..
i think i lost brain cells watching this video. thumbnail was cool, video was trash.
@@7aemr Sasuke the last is stronger according to the author himself…
You know kishimotos own series better than him?
There is a limit to being biased bro.
Swagkage retconning his old vids with Six is crazy 💀
I think he even deleted the old vid
That’s too bad because Seth is the only one who actually knew what the fuck he was talking about when it came to Naruto
@@ryantjeffersonjr448 no way you're trying to defend that pedophile
@@cobrakaineverdies-i2k no way ur that invested in his life. I’m talking about what he knows in Naruto when did I defend him?
@@cobrakaineverdies-i2k actually a retarded comment.
What I find crazy is Naruto and sasuke having similar fundamentals when it comes to tree climbing is crazy, since kurama nerfed Naruto’s chakra control by such a massive amount and he still matched sasuke with tree climbing
I thought it was the seal orichimaru put on Naruto during the chi in exams that messed up his Chakra control? This was shown by him not being able to master walking on water to doing it pretty easily after it’s removed by jaraiya.
@@Austin-l1j He means that Naruto matching sasuke is crazy. Due to having kurama, Naruto’s chakra levels are insanely high, and controlling that much chakra accurately was stated as significantly more difficult than any other ninja his age
@@cooperclark6885no we get a direct statement from jiraiya saying that he’s surprised that he can control chakra at all, the seal was debuffing naruto
@@Doonango clearly you did not read the original comment. Orochimaru did not put the seal onto Naruto until the chunnin exams. OP is talking about Naruto matching sasuke in tree climbing which was land of waves arc, way before the exams.
@@Austin-l1j That's right but this morphed into, "Kurama always interfered with Naruto's chakra control!" Because as always these people overhype him. It's akin to the, "Uzumaki have a lot of chakra", misconception. It was never said in series. Rather, Naruto's reserves were directly attributed to Kurama. Minato set the seal so Kurama's would mix with Naruto's (chapter 490, page 11, & chapter 519, page 11). And Kushina only said Uzumaki were known for their longevity, savage nature and sealing jutsu. That her and Mito were chosen as Jinchuriki for their powerful chakra (chapter 500 pages 3-4). Quality, not quantity.
Naruto beats Gara who just beat Sasuke. That means Sasuke > Naruto. Logic boys
And what is the point of having 2 people if they agree on every take?
Did you just say Naruto > Gaara > Sasuke means Sasuke > Naruto? Am I comprehending this shit correctly?
@@LimmeLimbo he is just quoting the reasoning of Swag and Six...
@@fellowkrieger457 My dumb ass hadn't watched the video before I read comments
They are right tho. Naruto won Gaara because of Gamabunta, and Gamabunta will not fight against Sasuke.
@@erodey3133 Naruto did way better against mid transformation gaara did. Neji wasn’t surprised by lee’s speed until the fourth gate and Naruto could react to Neji who has beaten lee before ( a Neji after training mind you) meaning Naruto at the very least could react to Sauske
Maybe someone can clarify this for me. I was under the impression that KCM 1 and 2 were distinct from each other with the difference being that in KCM 1 Naruto has to shelve his own chakra and rely only on what he managed to tear away from Kurama during the Tug-of-War, and without Kurama's cooperation there was a danger of Kurama taking his chakra and killing him if he lost control. Whereas with KCM 2, Kurama is willingly donating his chakra to Naruto allowing him to use his own alongside it, and with no danger to his own life, hence why it's sometimes called KLM (Kurama Link Mode).
Yes but Naruto transformed back to kcm one at one point which is called mastered kcm 1 since he still has the support of Kurama
@@gameuniverse5973 Hmmm...I feel it would be more appropriate to say that the "mastered KCM" is still KLM, but it *looks* like KCM because he's using less chakra. That's how I interpret it anyway. Otherwise it muddles the distinction between Naruto having Kurama's support and not, which seems too critical to just gloss over and say they're the same form.
I guess what I'm getting at is it seems like Kishimoto draws the distinction in how the two modes work, not what they look like, and that each one could look like the other depending on how much of Kurama's chakra Naruto has at the time.
KLM is just the actual english name for kcm2 kcm,2 is a fan made term (correct me if i'm wrong)
@@justanothercommenterwithan9089they are
I think you should have mentioned naruto’s increased skills during the chunin exams fights too. his skills with the shadow clones in both should be noted as pretty impressive in terms of faking out opponents and coordinating. Not just “high chakra reserves” only.
And in addition, sasuke explicitly was impressed and concerned that naruto may have even surpased him during the fight with garra where HE was disabled.
also, I dont think the period when sasuke was disabled by the curse mark during the chunin exam should really count, since its not him at his nominal strength at the time.
Also, I think people way over estimate when orichimaru said “you arent even in the same league” to tailed naruto. it sounds like his whole shtick of egging him on and pissing him off instead of necissarily a truthful statement of power given the situation. Though completely admit base naruto is completely shadowed by base sasuke at that point.
I think when The Last novel refers to Sasuke as "Kakashi's strongest student" it's referring back to when they were his students not the current versions of them.
Great video. One note. Those early fights vs Sasuke. If Naruto pulls out the Mizuki special and hits Sasuke with an attack by 1000 Shadow Clones, Sasuke is losing. It would be funny to see Naruto summon Gamahiro or Gamaken and watch him punt Sasuke all the way to the Sand village. Or see him summon Gamabunta who is about to leave and head over to a bar, but then Sasuke insults him... thus causing the end of the Uchiha clan.
Sasuke bias is crazy💀y’all won’t give Naruto Gamabunta but say he won’t go for Sasuke’s throat in the Sasuke Retrieval arc?! and once Naruto gets Sage Mode he wins every round
No you cannot argue with statements and feats from the series which Swagkage and six use.
Sage mode Naruto is absolutely not stronger than Five Kage Summit Sasuke. If anything it’s implied they are equal or Sasuke is slightly stronger based on feats.
Ems Sasuke is also stronger than KCM 1 Naruto. Which is basic scaling.
Sasuke is also stated to be strongest member of team 7 in the databooks for the last movie.
So Naruto does not win every round after getting sage mode. That’s completely false and disingenuous. Lose the bias.
@@arsenewenger4847 good
@@arsenewenger4847 bias? They just said sasuke beats naruto during the last💀
@@Trafalgar-D-Water-Law23 That’s what Kishimoto said. You know the series better than him?
The statement is clear as day. Sasuke being stronger in the last isn’t even subjective. It’s an objective fact.
@@arsenewenger4847 Well these guys were still arguing who was stronger between naruto bs sasuke when orchumaru said sasuke was weaker after naruto got sage mode. What was said in whatever novel they sited was never stated in the movie. The last is 3 years after the war, it makes absolutely no sense for sasuke to even be on par with naruto at that point after the considerable gap between the 2 during the war.
55 minutes of Sasuke highballing, let's fucking goooooo
I already knew, I'm out😂
Y’all mad because Sasuke really wins for majority of the series lol.
@@slayed9602 it's hilarious
@@slayed9602 he really doesn’t i’m gonna put a scenario where there both in character let’s take part one.
1000 clones all spamming rasengan or just taijutsu vs one sauske and i don’t mean all of them walking up indivually i mean bum rushing the shit out of sauske at the same time he’s not doing anything against that and gamabunta stomps sauske curse mark 2 state
and naruto and sauske at start of shipudden will do the exact same thing times 5 with even larger rasengan and start of shippuden naruto can tank kirin because of nine tails
and anything after sage mode gets multipled even more and don’t even get me started on kcm 1 vs mage summit sauske or even sage mode naruto once again 1000 shadows all using massive rasengan barrage against sauske susassno sauske dies and naruto could dodge amatarause even in sage mode if he wanted to because of the enchanrd sensory buff im not saying sauske is weak but i character realisticy using there kits sauske gets curb stomped
@@floodingitall8659 This comment only shows you haven’t watched Naruto outside of TH-cam videos. Naruto only summons forth that many clones when he obtains mental amps. In regular fights he can’t even use that many.
Not only that but Sasuke on the hospital rooftop was fighting like 30 clones by himself while just coming out of a coma. Sasuke’s arsenal is way more varied and lethal than Naruto’s. Naruto gets curbstomped lol.
I agree that Sasuke would beat the Naruto that fought Orochimaru at the bridge, but I never took what he did to Kurama at the hideout as him outright suppressing him. I saw it more as he was able to stop the leakage from becoming too much. I feel if Naruto was already in 4 tails, Sasuke couldn’t take that buff away from him without a mangeyeko
Kinda funny swag said "a fight we actually see and sasuke wins and we give it to Naruto? Sorry, can't do it boss". Yet in their video ranking every character they put EMS Madara over Hashirama when we saw that fight and saw Hashirama kill Madara. How ironic 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The Uchiha meat riding, especially with Madara, is crazy lol
So much uchiha dickriding
What's funny about that is madara even had the nine tails with him and hashirama still kicked his ass.
Sick work 😂
Great vid! It does feel a little weird to not have an “official” point on Naruto’s side for the Isshiki fight and baryon mode. Given that it’s the strongest level either of them reaches, it just feels like it deserves some love.
Wasnt naruto able to put the hands on garra when Sasuke needed chidori? to do the same?
People argue Naruto got a friendship or will of fire boost at that time
He got plot
He got the power of friendship boost.
Yep. He was shitting on transformed Gaara, the same Gaara that was tanking all of Sasuke’s attacks.
All of these people talking about “power of plot” can’t accept that this actually happened and needs to be taken into account. I could say that sasuke getting the curse mark is plot and therefore shouldn’t be considered but that wouldn’t make much sense
Sasuke getting the point for the last is a wild decision
How?
@@MT-xx5cdbecause sasuke only tied while using all other tailed beasts in the valley fight, and that was when naruto only had half of kurama. And in the last naruto has all of kurama and asuke had none of the beasts
@@sielbel6782 your being biased Naruto had practically a city full of nature energy maybe even more and sasuke didn’t really use the power of the tailed beast he just took their chakra and put it into one attack
@@sielbel6782 you also aren’t mentioning how in the last sasuke has 2 years of experience with his rennigan compared to final vally when he had it for less than a day
@@sielbel6782 you realise Naruto become a rusty low lvl ninja. Sasuke's susanoo became so huge in Sasuke shinden that it could probably reach full Kurama. Also Ishiki fight showed us that Sasuke's susanoo was bigger than kurama.
Great video guys, very entertaining to watch. Only thing I was unsure on with was the Kakashi statement regarding The Last. Seems like a vague statement that needs more context. Like when he said “Strongest Student” maybe it wasn’t literal and he meant his most promising student. Sometimes Japanese Kanji can have multiple meanings or interpretations did the novel have a translation issue. Just curious on that don’t know for sure.
Also didn’t Naruto get the other half of the Nine Tails essentially doubling his chakra pool, seems like Sasuke probably improved or mastered his Rinnegan abilities but was that enough to overcome another half of the nine tails. Let me know if that’s not the case.
It's wild to me how Sasuke nearly dies so many times in shippuden, but somehow always survives. Plot armor is his strongest jutsu for sure
Very small point for chunin exams final rounds, Naruto got his chakra sealed in the FOD by Oro and Jariya unsealed it before the battle and he also learned better chakra control due to waterwalk training and toad summoning. Idk, it's a lot closer than I think y'all giving it credit.
I'm just gonna say an ugly truth. The second Naruto learns the mass multi shadow clone jutsu, there isn't a single point where Sasuke can beat him if they were both trying to kill each other
His shadow clones can barely touch Sasuke. In order to kill someone, you have to be able to land a decent blow on them, and Naruto just doesn’t have a good track record when he dog piles people with his shadow clones.
Why are you hyping shadow clones that everyone (including Naruto) accept Mizuki destroy whenever Naruto uses them? Then the holding back cope. Having kill intent doesn't mean going all out the entire time.
Just like in the rooftop, right?
AMEN
start of shippuden sasuke is so much above naruto that he would prolly smoke all the 2k clones or however many naruto makes
Actual title of the video:
“Trying to make Sasuke win against Naruto at every stage”
I love that swag is revisiting older videos, I love to see how his opinions and arguments have changed over time. Like when he said kisame would beat tobirama…
Naruto truly surpassed Sasuke in the pain arc and the end of shippuden
No. Sage mode naruto gets bent over by MS sasuke
@@indridcole7596yh let’s compare the two: Sasuke got clapped by the fourth Raikage, while Naruto beat the 3rd Raikage who’s significantly stronger… sure Sasuke wins😹
@@indridcole7596that moment u realize zetsu even said that sage mode naruto was stronger then ms sasuke
@@Sasuke-Uchiha_08no he not beating ems
EMS Sasuke was fighting Juubito lol. He's around kcm2 level.@@Sasuke-Uchiha_08
It is kinda dumb how easily Sharingan users can handle Bijuu.
17:40 can we at least mention naruto had fought twice before seeing sasuke he's still not winning lmao but he was tired
almost an hour long video? let's gooooo
Long form Swag is best Swag, especially when he gets to bounce ideas off a homie
0:00 Intro
1:07 Round 1: Wave Naruto vs Sasuke
4:15 Round 2: Forest of Death Naruto vs Sasuke
6:59 Round 3: Chunnin Exam Preliminaries Naruto vs Sasuke
8:52 Round 4: Chunnin Exam Finals Naruto vs Sasuke
12:54 Round 5: Tsunade Search Naruto vs Somewhat Chronologically Equivalent Sasuke
15:21 Round 6: Sasuke Retrieval Arc Naruto vs Sasuke
16:48 Round 7: Kazekage Rescue Arc Naruto vs Sasuke
18:44 Round 8: Tenshi Bridge Arc Naruto vs Sasuke
21:22 Round 9: Akatsuki Suppression Arc Naruto vs Sasuke
23:43 Round 10: Sage Naruto vs Taka Sasuke
26:52 Round 11: vs Kage Summit Sasuke
Would be super cool a team up version!
Team Naruto + Sasuke at every point of the series who could they manage to beat?
I like this guy xD
I think someone did that. ThunderGod I believe
@@JellySlays thx ill check it out
The way I score it personally,
Sasuke
-LoW
-FoD
-Sasuke Retrieval Arc (This could go either way tbh but at the end of the day Sasuke wanted it more, seems like CM2 was stronger than OTN anyways since he broke his hand in one move. Still you could argue OTN wins a drawn out fight since CM2 Sasuke seemed like a unstable form for him from his unwillingness to use it and his bodily reaction afterwards. Still CM2 favored.)
-Kazekage Retrieval Arc
-Tenchi Bridge
-Akatsuki Suppression
-Mid War ( I don't really care enough to reread this part of the story so I'll take your word for it.)
-Post Baryon Mode (Sasuke retains his Susano, outside of teleporting he never did much with the rinnegan in combat and his chakra reserves should improve since he doesn't have it active all the time. He got weaker for sure but Naruto lost way more than he did by a mile. Sage mode doesn't cover the gap at all here imo, I say sasuke takes this low to mid diff)
Naruto
-Chunnin Exams Prelims (Don't know why this wasn't included, both are nerfed in this part but Sasuke is far worse off and loses to Naruto)
-Chunnin Exam Finals (He literally beat the guy Sasuke ended up losing to. You can argue he wouldn't have had the mental amp that he did against Gaara but even then he beat Neji, which you two didn't get into but I scale above Sasuke. Naruto beats a guy Sasuke at best has a incredibly hard time beating and a guy he lost to.) Sasuke acknowledges Naruto is more powerful than him in this arc, if you both believe in statements so much its pretty clear cut who wins here. Also if you want to argue in character then no Chidori or Curse Mark for Sasuke if they fight which imo is a clear Naruto W.
-Search For Tsunade
-Pain Arc
-Kage Summit (Sasuke only gets those unlocks because of his fight with Danzo with his susano at the end. There is no version of this sasuke that gets to keep all those amps but not factor in his increasing blindness. If you think this is a tie then I will give it to Naruto since Sasuke has a hard time limit. This could go either way but I'd edge it to Naruto.)
-KCM 2 unlocked
-Final battle
-The Last (Don't care about the statement at all, we know Naruto is stronger in the last logically as he has the full nine-tails and he has two arms. Sasuke is still down an arm, the only real improvement you can state he has is improving his rinnegan mastery which still doesn't cover the massive gap between them from their last fight. Giving this round to Sasuke is actually pure wank using a statement that is arguable since Sasuke may as well have been Kakashis only student.)
-Boruto (Naruto was heavily nerfed in their fight with momo, arguably more than sasuke. Also if you compare their abilites and skills Naruto imo is favored)
-Baryon Mode
Final Score 8 Sasuke, 9 Naruto
Of course naruto would win. These two glaze sasuke so much its crazy
As a long time fan, I love the notices and extra explanations for newer fans. Thank you, Swag!
SWAG HAS BEEN BACK!! That’s pretty swag. Seriously tho keep it up
I may be wrong, but i believe in the chunin exams final, sasuke is only as fast as weightless lee, which neji is still faster than (again, please correct me if im wrong). So if that is correct, saying sasuke is flat out faster then naruto there i believe is slightly disingenuous. I still think sasuke probably squeaks out a win due to him having more versatility (more varied ninjutsu, polished taijutsu, etc.) , but i think its a bit closer then how it was displayed in the video. Other than that, basically agree with everything else.
Possibly but I think Naruto wins.Neji wasn’t surprised by weightless lee’s speed but the power of the gates and the lotus . The techniques that Lee himself felt he beeeded to beat Neji.Also we saw Naruto and Sasuke both face partialy transformed Garra and by the time Naruto faced him he was even stronger. Both lost but Naruto seemed to do better . Also at this time Sasuke gets paralyzed when the curse mark takes over. And Naruto didn’t even use the 9 tails chakra. Sasuke while faster and better at Taijutu at this time doesn’t have the stamina to keep up that speed . I think with the 9 tails it would be too much
Yeah, but you’re only going by statements and feats. If you look at both fights (Naruto vs Neji, and Lee vs Gaara), it’s obvious that weightless Lee is faster than Naruto using that Kyuubi chakra because it isn’t a full Kyuubi amp. Neji was able to react to Naruto’s speed, perfectly counter the attack, and basically tie with Naruto after their clash. There’s no way in hell that you’d think that Neji would be as physically powerful as Naruto with the actual Kyuubi chakra amp that one-shotted Haku, especially since the Gentle Fist isn’t even about raw power in the first place, so Naruto’s Kyuubi amp had to be a nerfed version of it since he was borrowing it and was still lucid and in control. And based on that alone, I’d absolutely believe that weightless Lee would be way faster.
@Historyking I don't disagree. I think gaara was a better match-up for Naruto since he could just kinda "brute force" his way through, where I don't think thats as much of an option against sasuke. I still ultimately think sasuke has more options to take Naruto out, but can still definitely see Naruto winning considering the points you mentioned.
@xinf3ctdx I mean, that's what they do in the video as well to be fair. It's also kind of the only concrete way to scale power/speed properly since how fast or strong someone looks in the anime can be entirely dependent on the style and animation. Gaara vs rock Lee got much more love from animators compared to Naruto vs neji, so it obviously looks like Lee is moving faster. But even if you take the "anime speed" into consideration, neji never flinched or acted surprised with Lee's speed while watching his fight until the 4th gate. Neji appeared to be caught off guard by Naruto's speed immediately after using the 9 tails Chakra. Naruto even appears to borderline disappear because he is moving so fast (he sort of "teleports" behind neji and throws some shuriken, forcing neji to use rotation since he was caught off guard, in addition to "teleporting" again midair to dodge shuriken neji throws back at him). I think based on that, the speed of weightless Lee, sasuke, neji, and Naruto are all pretty relative.
Clear Sasuke Bias from Swakage is clear.
Nah. He just gave Sasuke his rightful wins as demonstrated by the series.
You can’t argue with feats and statements from the actual show. Sasuke is stronger most of the time.
If anything so many more people are biased towards Naruto and give him undeserved wins.
@@arsenewenger4847Yeah, nah. Dude’s biased. Like he’s always been.
- Sasuke beat him as kids in the academy
- Naruto beat him on the hospital rooftop.
- Naruto COULD HAVE beat him when they first fought at the valley as kids, but he chose to be petty and go for a headband instead of just dropping his ass. He also never summoned chief toad to literally one shot the boy, realistically Sasuke never had an actual chance at beating him, but since Naruto sees him as a friend/brother he didn’t fight to the best of his ability and essentially throws the fight. But Sasuke still “won”, thats the reality regardless of context so it is what it is. Its just funny nobody ever says Sasuke “beat” Itachi regardless of context even though its literally the same thing as here lol but its fine.
- Sasuke beat him at the beginning of shippuden
- They met again but just clashed jutsu, inconclusive fight
- Finally, in their final battle, Naruto mopped his ass while heavily nerfed. Sasuke needed amps on top of amps and still couldn’t kill a guy who was only trying to beat him to submission. He was amped both in power and mindset(trying to kill him) and still couldn’t do it. Speaks for itself.
- As adults Naruto no diffs with Baryon Mode
- adults post-nerf Naruto still washes him most likely. He’s still physically superior to Sasuke BUT Sasuke has genjutsu and Naruto doesn’t have kurama to snap him out of a genjutsu. So I would be willing to give this to Sasuke assuming genjutsu just one shots Naruto now.
Swag is good at playing devil’s advocate and thinking of proper counters for the opposition of his bias only when he feels it doesn’t change the outcome. If it does he will ignore certain things or gloss over it.
Still though Naruto only actually beat Sasuke twice in the series. Imo that just goes to show beating somebody more times doesnt really amount to anything as far as how you compare to them. You can’t “beat” someone who never took you too seriously in the first place and try to flex it lmfao.
@@LimmeLimbo No the Itachi situation is not the same as the first final valley fight.
The result is clear and evident. Both clash with their full power final moves. Sasuke emerges Victorious. Naruto at multiple points in the series himself says he lost that fight fair and square. An no he isn’t mentioning the fact he failed to get Sasuke back, he is literally mentioning the battle itself. It cannot get more clear than that.
As for Itachi. Obito clearly states Itachi let Sasuke win. Sasuke himself knows later Itachi let him win. Itachi himself acknowledges the fact that he planned the entire battle and let Sasuke win.
Naruto never once says he let Sasuke beat him.
@@LimmeLimbo I Do agree with the rooftop fight and Boruto Naruto with Baryon mode being stronger. But Swag and Six gave him those wins. So why are you saying they are biased.
@@arsenewenger4847
Yall do the same thing with Sasuke admitting he lost to Naruto in their final battle, you try and deflect and make it about “losing ideologies” or some shit instead of taking what Sasuke said at face value that he lost the fight.
Nobody can lose something they never used their game-changing trump card in. Narutos summon would have one shot Sasuke, there aint no discussion to be had about that. Hypothetically, imagine Sasuke admitted to losing to Naruto but he never even used his curse mark in the fight. Obviously you would call bs on that because it doesn’t make any sense.
Naruto threw the fight but not intentionally. He wouldn’t ever say he let Sasuke win because he didn’t make that decision consciously like Itachi, he made a series of bad decisions that resulted in him losing. Being petty. Not putting his emotions aside to body the kid. Therefore he lost because of it and feels like he lost “fair and square” when that obviously isnt the case.
Swag is biased in certain situations, he won’t be biased in situations where he would just be wrong and borderline delusional if he tried to argue otherwise. Also, havent the watched the video yet. He’s probably not being as biased as everyone is making him seem but I wouldn’t put it past him.
I think this pretty well matches the narrative intentions. Naruto was an underdog, losing to Sasuke a lot in the beginning, and catching up more and more as he mentally matures and defeats hatred.
Was the underdog who was the son of the 4 hokage, had the most powerful weapon in his stomach and is a fucking god reincarnated
@@anxiety1018 that never really gave him talent, he had unique circumstances sure but started from nothing and had to earn everything including kurama’s trust on his own
@@bogdanshymanovski he is a god reincarnated he is incredibly talented
@@bogdanshymanovski naruto is my second favourite anime only losing out to one piece but Naruto is talented and had some of the most powerful ninjas of all time as teachers
@@anxiety1018 reincarnation of a demigod who is actually weak as hell compared to his much more talented and stronger brother. Lmao.
Hi Swag and Six. Great video
I'd like to add my own corrections
1) Land of waves Naruto should have an extra category for Kyubi chakra mode Naruto. In your Naruto tier list you yourself put that Naruto ridiculously high, so it seems contrived not to include it here. Especially seeing as there is a version of sasuke to match it against -"Sharingan awakened sasuke"
2) I don't think Chunin prelims versions should really be counted. Because there are no real changes from the forest of death.... it's just each of them having debuffs. It would be like matching KCM1 Naruto to blind sasuke... Sasuke isn't weak during the pre-war he's just out of commission. It's a similar case for the prelims.
3) Konoha Crush Naruto should edge out Sasuke. Gaara never mentions a direct comparison, but he expressed disappointment in Sasuke's strength and is conversely impressed with Naruto's. And this is before Naruto summoned Gamabunta. Plus Uzumaki 2K barrage did far more damage to Gaara than Sasuke. I don't think it was a very well written power-up. But it's undeniable that Naruto's "I don't feel like losing" amped him up to higher than partially transformed Gaara.
4) I personally think Naruto beats sasuke at the 5 kage summit, but only because I would argue that the Rasenshuriken has higher offensive power than Kirin, due to it being wind. Kirin might have a higher area of effect and might be faster, but the Rasenshurikens cutting power would I think do better against Susanoo. Plus Naruto can fire multiple of them. So if Kirin can shatter a Yata Mirror Susanoo - Two Rasenshuriken's plus multiple big ball Rasengans should body sasuke.
The reason why I think the deciding factor here is Sasuke's Susanoo is because in his fights with the kage and Danzo he relies on it...HEAVILY, so it stands to reason that if Naruto can smash through it then he would win.
5) Naruto Early war SMASHES Sasuke EMS. KCM1 Naruto distributed enough clones to single handedly win the war before Edo Madara showed up. A clone of Naruto beat the third Raikage. A clone of Naruto impressed Madara. KCM1 Naruto was slightly faster than Ay.
Overall I think you DID favor sasuke a little too much but I still really enjoyed the video so thanks!
for 3 that Sasuke actually had major feats. His chakra was sucked out yet he saved Naruto when Naruto spammed the hell out of shadow clones EVEN THO Sasuke had barely any chakra. And just before fought Gaara and hurt him enough to take out his weird mode.
I think Naruto could win during 5 Kage Summit. I don't think there's enough of a difference in the Sage Mode and MS amp to say that one of them would win before Sasuke progressively gets weaker from using MS too much. Sasuke had the best defense with the Susanoo but I think Naruto could eventually overwhelm him with enough Rasenshurikens, Naruto's stamina would just be too much for Sasuke imo, especially since he can kinda just infinitely replenish it with Sage Mode. If you're gonna give Sasuke the same rage amps he had against Danzo it'd also probably be fair to give Naruto his rage amps and the 6 tails which definitely wouldn't end well for Sasuke.
Also for Boruto, idk much about scaling for that but I remember Naruto with his chakra drained preforming as well against Momoshiki as Sasuke and previously while neither were using rinnegan or nine tails chakra more Naruto was preforming much better against Momo, although I watched the anime for that arc so maybe it's different in other versions. Also it'd prolly be fair to give Naruto the Baryon Mode point even though it's pretty obvious since you gave Sasuke the point multiple times when it was pretty obvious that he was superior, y'all were going through every version after all.
"Naruto wins through stamina alone" is basically the case for every matchup from that point on, isn't it?
I agree, if there's anyone who could win in 5 Kage Summit, it's Naruto and his tremendous chakra reserve and sage mode.
@@chief8268 no
Fave kage summit Sasuke has MS genjutsu and it's already shown he can suppress the 9tail with base sharingan. Also out lasting is a cop out victory tbh
@@fettidarko you call it a cop out but it's literally how Naruto always beat Sasuke in Canon so it should be used
Good stuff, Swag and Six. I will say, especially for the early parts of Naruto, I think how Swag phrased it in an older video is "Sasuke is Naruto's rival and he exists to be stronger than him." So I really enjoyed the discussions, but I think the narrative kind of boosts Sasuke.
An hour long video with my favorite ninja duo a great wayto relax after coming home
Duuuude same
Somehow Sasuke just is stronger than Naruto in the last movie for no reason makes no sense 😂
Sage Mode Naruto would dog walk Kage Summit Sasuke. He would go blind before the fight ended and would lose the ability to suppress the Nine Tails in Naruto.
Noo
L Williammolock MS sasuke~raikage~kcm1>sm naruto