@@goatzega3006 Barnes has load data on their website. I was able to email customer service about expansion velocities for various bullets. They were quick to respond and very helpful. 😉
So I emailed and looked on the Barnes website with no joy. The load I came up with was 23 grains of AA 1680. Is this something close to what you came up with?
@@TuxPenguino 👍🏻🤔. Time will tell but at over $2 a round for handloads, or $3 for factory (all copper bullets) it won’t be like your mag dumping a 5.56. At least not for me. Lol
Modern chrome lined or phosphate barrels are extremely durable copper is so much softer and will deposit a thin layer on the bore which will further provide protection . I'd bet you minimum 10k rounds before meaningful accuracy loss
@@tomforeman4976 🤷🏼♂️😂. I’m wondering if the 1/3 twist is doing something funky to the ballistic tip as it entered the gel. I’ve been emailing back and forth with Nosler and they say all 4 of the TTSX .338 bullets should yield 1.7x expansion down to 1,700fps and 2x expansion above 1,800fps. Maybe the one not expanding was a fluke?
I've got the .300 AAC blackout, and I'm curious as to how this compares with the super sonic loads for hunting? Also do I need a M 10 lower to be able to shoot this round?
@@PaulGriffin-ox1gp I’ve got about 18 different .300blk test videos posted as well. Pick out any of those bullets to compare results. 😉 And yes, the 8.6 is built into the AR-10 platform to accommodate the longer rounds.
Well it’s looking like the 185gr tsx might be the sweet spot . I’m guessing the 160gr should work really nice in my 1:8 19” barrel. If I can get enough velocity I’d prefer the 185gr .
200 grain north fork cup point solids are monsters in this caliber. I loaded some last week, wish i couldget ballistics gel to test what the wound cavity would look like. Shipping heavy stuff like tghat to alaska is not very cost efficient. It penetrates tgrough pretty much anything though
RE: Supersonic vs subsonic: I can't use a suppressor in California, so the subsonic doesn't do anything for me. I still have to wear hearing protection, so there is no advantage to noise. Good testing!
Sell whatever you have to to get out of California, I never understood why anyone would live there. I lived there for 6 months and moved at a loss financially and so glad I did
I'd give the Cutting Edge 176 gr ER Raptor a try. They only need 1500 fps for complete expansion and fragmentation and that's from a standard twist rate. I'm sure the 1-3 twist will lower that threshold further still.
I’m afraid once you get out past about fifty yards you may not get any expansion at all. I believe you’re running right at the edge of enough velocity to expand those barnes bullets once a little bit bleeds off your going to be punching needle holes. It would definitely be worth backing your gel blocks up to see what happens. Good luck to you.
@@rangetime6779 I’ve been swapping email with one of the guys over at Barnes Bullets. He said the TTSX bullets yield 1.7x expansion at 1700fps and 2x expansion at 1800 and faster in all 4 of the .338 diameter bullets. The 210 drops below 1700 at about 200yrds. The 160 drops below 1700 at 425yrds. Both these are from charts based off my load data. 😉
You are on the lowest end for expansion for solid copper. Most Solid copper advertises expansion @ 2000. But its not what most expect when someone tells them expansion. You honestly need closer to 2200+ for most folks deffiniton of what expansion looks like.
Acording to Barnes reloading info for 338 Federal that 210 bullet behind AA2230 can get you up to 2570. Yes I know that's a different caliber, just saying.
3 shots, 3 completely different results. Not what this bullet was designed for so no surprise, but I’d say this one is a no go. Too many bullets that will function reliably and consistently for the platform than to play roulette with each shot.
@@kentuckyrangetime Matt, I am seeing a average of 38% failure to expand with that bullet in my 8.6 BO. Whether hunting or defense that is too high for my liking. In different calibers I have better results, so maybe it's the 8.6.
Another excellent informational video to add to my 8.6BLK arsenal of knowledge! Thanks... :)
Thank you.
Were you able to email Barnes for your load data? Love your work, sir!!!
@@goatzega3006 Barnes has load data on their website. I was able to email customer service about expansion velocities for various bullets. They were quick to respond and very helpful. 😉
@@kentuckyrangetime THXS
So I emailed and looked on the Barnes website with no joy. The load I came up with was 23 grains of AA 1680. Is this something close to what you came up with?
My concern with 8.6 blackout is barrel life with that 1:3 barrel twist. How long till that sucker is a smooth bore?
@@TuxPenguino 👍🏻🤔. Time will tell but at over $2 a round for handloads, or $3 for factory (all copper bullets) it won’t be like your mag dumping a 5.56. At least not for me. Lol
Modern chrome lined or phosphate barrels are extremely durable copper is so much softer and will deposit a thin layer on the bore which will further provide protection . I'd bet you minimum 10k rounds before meaningful accuracy loss
Inconsistent expansion at such a short range, it's not going to improve the further out you go. So, no, I would be choosing another bullet type.
Problem is the 1/3 precludes most lead core bullets. Q doesn’t care because they’re chasing government money.
Quests you could take the first elephant hunting and the other two to a close range deer gun but how do you know which one to use for what?
@@tomforeman4976 🤷🏼♂️😂.
I’m wondering if the 1/3 twist is doing something funky to the ballistic tip as it entered the gel. I’ve been emailing back and forth with Nosler and they say all 4 of the TTSX .338 bullets should yield 1.7x expansion down to 1,700fps and 2x expansion above 1,800fps.
Maybe the one not expanding was a fluke?
10:07 27" of expansion? I'm kicking my .300BLK to the curb, sign me up! 🤣 Just joshin'. I'm still new to the 8.6, thanks for this info!
@@snowdogthewolf 😂. Every once in a while my brain cramps up…. I noticed it in editing a few days later too. 😂😂
I've got the .300 AAC blackout, and I'm curious as to how this compares with the super sonic loads for hunting? Also do I need a M 10 lower to be able to shoot this round?
@@PaulGriffin-ox1gp I’ve got about 18 different .300blk test videos posted as well. Pick out any of those bullets to compare results. 😉
And yes, the 8.6 is built into the AR-10 platform to accommodate the longer rounds.
Well it’s looking like the 185gr tsx might be the sweet spot .
I’m guessing the 160gr should work really nice in my 1:8 19” barrel.
If I can get enough velocity I’d prefer the 185gr .
200 grain north fork cup point solids are monsters in this caliber. I loaded some last week, wish i couldget ballistics gel to test what the wound cavity would look like. Shipping heavy stuff like tghat to alaska is not very cost efficient. It penetrates tgrough pretty much anything though
👍🏻 sounds like it would 😂😂
RE: Supersonic vs subsonic: I can't use a suppressor in California, so the subsonic doesn't do anything for me. I still have to wear hearing protection, so there is no advantage to noise. Good testing!
Sell whatever you have to to get out of California, I never understood why anyone would live there. I lived there for 6 months and moved at a loss financially and so glad I did
@@dontbetreadin4777 For me it's not so easy...😢
California is ridiculous
@@joeyindahl2593 I agree, but it's my home and some of us here want to fight rather than move. I happen to be one of them. We have some great hunting.
I'd give the Cutting Edge 176 gr ER Raptor a try. They only need 1500 fps for complete expansion and fragmentation and that's from a standard twist rate. I'm sure the 1-3 twist will lower that threshold further still.
They make a long nosed 200 gr MTH that might be perfect... long ogive, short base, it might free up powder charge.
I have a multi caliber registered AR15. Do you know if that 338 is able to run by switching the upper ?
@@jlrockafella No, it has to be on an AR10 platform.
If it’s an AR15 it’s not gonna work …you need a 308 lower (LR308)
I’m afraid once you get out past about fifty yards you may not get any expansion at all. I believe you’re running right at the edge of enough velocity to expand those barnes bullets once a little bit bleeds off your going to be punching needle holes. It would definitely be worth backing your gel blocks up to see what happens. Good luck to you.
Seams like the 160 TTSX expanded better and would expand at longer distance since these bullets are velocity sensitive.
@@rangetime6779 I’ve been swapping email with one of the guys over at Barnes Bullets. He said the TTSX bullets yield 1.7x expansion at 1700fps and 2x expansion at 1800 and faster in all 4 of the .338 diameter bullets.
The 210 drops below 1700 at about 200yrds. The 160 drops below 1700 at 425yrds. Both these are from charts based off my load data. 😉
You are on the lowest end for expansion for solid copper. Most Solid copper advertises expansion @ 2000. But its not what most expect when someone tells them expansion. You honestly need closer to 2200+ for most folks deffiniton of what expansion looks like.
Acording to Barnes reloading info for 338 Federal that 210 bullet behind AA2230 can get you up to 2570.
Yes I know that's a different caliber, just saying.
@@RumblestripDotNet Lol, you reload much? 😉.
@@kentuckyrangetime Enough. And you're reloading for Kevins latest, so, what's the difference. I can also use any 308 case if I want.
3 shots, 3 completely different results. Not what this bullet was designed for so no surprise, but I’d say this one is a no go. Too many bullets that will function reliably and consistently for the platform than to play roulette with each shot.
It was designed for .338 Win mag.
33% failure rate is a little high for me.
The TTSX isn't designed for that low of a speed. Thats what the TSX is for.
@@brutalbob3982 It possibly could have been less. Lol
Really need a 10+ shot group to make a better decision. Could have been an unlucky first shot 😉.
@@kentuckyrangetime Matt, I am seeing a average of 38% failure to expand with that bullet in my 8.6 BO. Whether hunting or defense that is too high for my liking. In different calibers I have better results, so maybe it's the 8.6.
I will try the TSX to see what the results are with that projectile.
@@brutalbob3982 keep an eye out for tomorrow’s release with the 160gr TTSX. It’s quite a bit faster and goes 3-3. 😉😂👍🏻👊🏻
Let's see how they do in gel blocks at 50yrds and at 100yrds