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Voting With Your Wallet “On My Mind”
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ม.ค. 2020
- This is a discussion video where I talk about using your purchasing power to support companies that you agree with there philosophy, or just enjoy their product.
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Good vid Kenny! I get the buying American thing, although I do find it funny that people make that stand with pocket knives. If we had made that stand 30-40 years ago, it would have meant something.
When I buy American, it's because that particular company is offering a good value with that product. The same goes for foreign purchases. Chinese means budget knives to me.
American workers can compete with anyone. I know that because I have been in manufacturing my entire adult life. Our products go all over the world. The last thing American companies need is charity. It makes them weak. Adapt to the market, improve your processes when needed, and you can compete. Remember, competition drives innovation.
Thanks Kurt! Bro, I know lol I wish it had started long ago, and I try to do it with everything, although it’s not really possible in a lot of things. It’s not just American made, like I said... I’m just avoiding China really, and I will definitely make exceptions here and there. I definitely agree that the competition is a great thing, but I do feel like China is destroying the earth lmao not to be excessively dramatic 😉
The world needs more 14C28N and V10...really don't care where it comes from!
Yes!!! I couldnt agree more with that sentiment. Id really like to see some companies use some of those steel options on knives with exceptional fit and finishes and materials that are normally seen on knives using "high end" steel. The savings and value would be excellent, in my opinion.
I agree!:)
Sublime T-shirt for the win! This same concept was on my mind when I recently bought a more expensive name brand cordless vacuum vs the Chinese knockoff version (that was a cheaper Dyson clone). The warranty and the ability to actually get parts played a huge factor in my decision. Go ahead, chirp me for mentioning a vacuum in a knife channel, I deserve it lol.
lol yeah brother! Absolutely!! It goes for everything! Not just knives, and no one is going to chirp you, I would hope.
Defiantly food for thought. I do have to point out one thing when it comes to consuming Chinese products. There are good people running ethical companies in China. They are few and far between and come at the cost of having to do research to find them. That said I think that if/when one is found they should be supported with a $ vote to support these practices.
I agree 100%, and I am always open to supporting a Chinese company that is ethical, and willing to stand behind it. I will never fully close myself to anything at this point in my life... things change, and dramatically at that.
That is spot on! Support the good companies! China is a mess with their knife industry. It's so hard to tell who is making what. There are a few that seem to stand out though.
@@inthepocket7405 I regret not doing that myself. All those years buying stuff at Walmart! 😁
Hey Kenny, nice work and thanks for this video in particular! What you are talking about is much bigger than knives. I have always felt voting with your wallet is the most important kind of voting. If you agree that there are huge corporations running our government, collectively, we as a group, have control of both! Wallet votes are always counted and can't be faked! I also believe now is the most important time for this because in many ways we are going to have rebuild the US economy following these lockdowns. Tons of retail outlets and sadly, especially small businesses (the true engine of the US economy) will fail without desperately needed support. Amazon in particular is especially bad for small business. I agree with you, local shopping is crucial and I would add, especially now! Never feel like you don't make a difference, there are way more of us than them and the reality is that as a group, we have all of the power! It's an important part of making the world just a little better, it's cumulative.
1000000% It is going to more important than ever now, and I have implemented this into everything I buy at this point. I will do everything in my power to support this economy, and local businesses, even if it means going out of my way. This whole thing has put a spotlight on our mistakes, although we have just been ignoring it for the last 20 years, and it really has been happening for decades. I did see the writing on the wall back then, although I should have made a stand back then... we all should have.
Kenny I totally feel where you are coming from you are a good man of principals. One of the problems I think I see is many of the electronics in our lives are made in China. I think many companies all over the world use Chinese low wages to make profit. We are living in a global economy ruled mostly by gread once your sucked into the system it is very hard to get out. You might consider living of grid in a cave kind of like we did a million years ago!!! No just kidding . you will be very pleasantly surprised by the stand you take in that how many people will agree and follow your line of thinking. Thanks Kenny you have already made a difference
You nailed it on the head Bryan... I agree 100%. There’s really no way around it with a lot of products. Maybe one day I will:) lol I appreciate it buddy
I’m on board with this. I realize a year ago that I don’t need to buy every hyped up budget knife. I ended up with 10 50$ knives I never carried and just wanted 2 nice 250$ knives.
Also not a fan of the Benchmade decision makers but I like the lock so I’m glade Hogue is stepping up because I’d rather support them. Great video Kenny!
Same here buddy:) 💯. Let’s hope BM changes their tune, but I highly doubt they will. Thanks Marc!
Truth! This had to be said and am glad it was said this well haha I like supporting small businesses especially Edc enthusiast turned makers.
Honestly one of my Fav Dudes in the community...Keep being you Kenny...All The Best 👍👊
Wow... that means a ton coming from you Gabriel👊 thanks buddy:) all the best to you too✌️🤙
I'm happy about all this cant wait for more content brother
Hey Kenny, good stuff-stay cool brother...👍
Thanks buddy!
Well said! And I do agree with everything you said, We just cannot afford as of right now to do the knife purchasing we want to do without China, but that being said that doesnt mean we dont want to hold the companies accountable, or know where our money is going. And we are trying to buy more US this year as much as possible but it is nice to know like you said where the money is going.
Thanks! I understand man... and I am not judging anyone. This is just to start a discussion, and me throwing out my thoughts, as well as where I’m heading personally. I have many Chinese knives myself, so there’s no way I can judge anyone.
Great topic ! 👍
little woody thanks buddy!
I’m pretty new to the tech aspects of steel and have been learning an incredible amount from all you hardcore YT knife collectors, BUT I think this thread, esp with Dom Bond’s counterpoints re D2, demonstrates how hard it is to generalize by steel category or across multi-line brands when not taking into account use scenarios and performance histories. As a result, noobs like myself can become totally lost for lacking the tech background, and watching the reviews doesn’t help when so many have opposite perspectives (and review things prior to extensive use). So I’m a huge supporter of anyone developing the testing database and applaud that as the biggest contribution you collectors can make for the industry. I’d love to get your recommendations for how to get educated on the matter, which ‘better practices’ brands to follow, and where you think we should look for making purchases.
I agree Marc, and it wasn’t all that long ago that I was in your position. It’s hard to sift through all the information, and a lot of it is coming from people that don’t even use their stuff, so it can throw mud in the water. I would just say to try to find channels that fit to what you look for in a knife, and your usages. Also, if you’re a guy who uses your knives, make sure you are going to reviewers that use their shit, because there A Whole Lot of reviewers that don’t. This is something I learned the hard way. Using your applications, find the group of reviewers that fit that, and of coarse your style of personality. With the testing, if you cut rope all day, then the rope cut test Pete from Cedric and Ada would be the one to watch. Otherwise, most people’s edc usages would be covered by the testing of channels like Outpost76, Supersteel Steve, Hilltop Knives and Reviews, Tom Hosang Outdoors, etc... There’s so many good ones out there man, so it is hard to find the ones you love, but it makes it possible to find the ones that fit best, as well.👍 If you watch some of my most recent end/beginning of the year vids, you will see what I’m into at the moment, and where my collection is heading. I will always say Spyderco is a great entry level, and they are one of the best if you want to try a bunch of different steels, at a reasonable price, all done relatively well, and a lot of it in the US. I can give you more too, but this comment will get very long, very quick lol
Thx for the reply! If possible, can u provide the names of a few brands that u consider quality companies that have been performing well in the testing you guys have been doing?
Right off the top of my head... Spyderco, manly, Hogue, Benchmade (S30v), Cold Steel, Chris Reeve, Hinderer, Medford, Reate, Shirogorov. There’s more, but I will think about it.
InThePocket thx! I’ve been catching up on the channels u mentioned and esp dig ur way of thinking via the OnMyMind series so value any guidance u can provide. I’ve been a serial collector all my 56 years and well recognize when a new obsession is taking hold and I’m into usable higher quality, like Hinderer CRK or Kase, so am wondering if buying used via BladeForum makes more sense for starting at the higher level more affordably? Better yet, r there any resellers or avenues u can recommend? I’d love to find someone interested in trading for some of my collected fountain pens, lighters, or aged cigars!
Great video well done 👍
Thanks Adam:)
Exactly I usually don’t buy inexpensive stuff so I usually spend diligently. I have 5 companies I favor for various reasons : Hinderer, Millit, GEC, Buck, and Hogue
That’s a nice list.
Great video Kenny 👊
Outpost 76 thanks g👊
Valuable information man, make people think
Thanks bro
InThePocket no problem, I appreciate the content. It’s rare to find people as real as you giving honest thoughts without ego and balanced.
Well said man.
Thanks James.
I most certainly recommend Taiwan knives those people know how to polish a blade look at cold steel code 4 or recon 1 beautiful satin finish.
I have a question, and I apologize if im having anyone repeat themselves.
When wanting to support US knife makers how do people feel about purchasing (for example) a knife from spyderco or kershaw, when they have many knives produced in both china amd the US? What about the country of origin for raw materials makers use?
Ive been curious as to people's opinions on this so let me know. The more comments the better!
That is a fine line, but I think it’s okay in some cases. I definitely have Japanese and Chinese Spyderco’s and I am still supporting an American company. This is where I talk about I may make some exceptions.
Thank you for responding. I've been curious as to how people in the community felt about this. I hope that some of our domestic manufacturers up their game in terms of the overall value that is being offered vs the prices they're asking us pay. I'd love to be able to support them more than I currently do but it's hard when the knives being produced elsewhere clearly, for the most part, offer much more in terms of overall value.
Of coarse... and I do agree with you, on some level at least. I do think that there is hidden value in things, which I have a video about, and I also consider conduct of a company as well. What are they having to do to bring you that value?
I’m with ya man, I don’t buy Chinese knives either(for a number of reasons). I wish all the custom/midtech makers & designers who make their production knives in China would invest in themselves and follow the Chris Reeve/Hinderer model of making knives in America at a slightly higher premium.
(It would also free up their ability to use different blade steels, rather than the same old tired Chinese D2/S35vn/20cv)
I wish they would too!! I feel like they are taking the easy way out, and it’s disappointing.
Awesome video. Subscribed. I'm just checking out chris reeve knives and hinderer. Hope they dont disappoint
Thanks man. I don’t think you will be disappointed by either of those. In my opinion, Chris Reeve’s are the pinnacle of American production knives, as far as build quality. Hinderer are built great too. Built tough, with great tolerance... to last a life time.
I mainly buy American even if it costs more. Buy American it keeps jobs here
If I'm being honest I could care less if it's made in China as long as the quality is there. I see where you're coming from though
While watching your vid I was eating some beef chow fung, although I had In-N-Out for lunch!
Lmao perfect👌
@@inthepocket7405 In your last couple of vids you have mentioned some short comings with recent runs of production D2. The last D2 I had were some Brous models that were locally made and heat treated, excellent steel but that was about five years ago and I have since sold them. I have listened your comments and held off getting a couple of CJRB Feldspars as I don't believe they will perform how I expected. I appreciate what you do for the community. I would be interested in hearing more on the D2. As well I only have one Chinese designed folder and it's a budget knife, the rest are tied to an American designer or manufacturer.
When you were young lol you still are
Lol yes, I guess meant relatively:) I’m 36, so I’m just referring to when I was a kid.
STOP BUY SPYDERCO SPRINT RUNS!!!!!!
I only buy them at the regular price... I’ve never paid aftermarket prices. So why? I would ask. They are small batch runs, which usually end up with a better treatment, and I am still supporting an American company. Again, I will ask why? 🤔
agree and disagree! 99% out of china is junk 1% is stupid good { reate, we etc } 50% out of the us is junk and 50% is awesome. for me it depends on the company not the geographical location. some are shit some are insanely good, check them 1 by 1 and not 'overall' david from reate 100% deserves my money, so does bradford from the us. on the other hand boker deserves to go out of bussines today! but so does benchmade for adding 150-200 dollar to a knife for changing handle materials and steel ( g10 to cf and s30 to s90 ) and then having to guess if the blade will be semi centered?? so it all depends. but i get where you are coming from!
Totally man, and my choice of not purchasing Chinese has nothing to do with the quality, because some of the quality is absolutely outstanding. It more comes down to the ethics of there workplace and the country in general, and the way they are affecting our planet. I definitely agree with American makers as well. Like I said in the video, I will definitely make exceptions, and if a Chinese company is doing right (like reate per say), I will definitely support them. I’m always open...
Divest from China.
U lost me at d2! I prefer d2 to 12c aus8 etc.
Why? its harder to sharpen and the edge doesnt last nearly as long as properly heat treated steel thats as cheap or cheaper. ie sandvik's, aus8 etc. D2 is great in more expensive knives that are normally made in the USA by few makers. Doizer, Carothers, krein, and a bunch more do smaller batch heat treatment and the correct heat treatment protocol for D2. where as china is just trying to mass produce it as much as possible and dont use the proper profile (which can be found on bladeforums btw). D2 is a great steel, but not in these budget knives. not only that but Sandvik is a steel that can be mass produced and ran through an assembly line type nature to make very efficient to manufacture reliably at a performance level better than the china D2.
@@tacticalcenter8658 :- D2 properly heat treated is an excellent blade steel...just ask Paul Bos' company.
Much like 440C heat treated by Boker Plus in Gernany...a quality steel. Super steels have their place, but a lot of the hype is really marketing and getting knife people to part with their money for another knife.
How would you like it if the rest of the world decided to use politics to ban the purchase of U.S. knives?
It's not as if the U.S. has the best of relations with most of the world's nations, and you don't really want all of those countries to use the current political state in the U.S. as a reason to boycott American products.
Your arguements are very fuzzy and inconsistent, but your youth is probably showing itself. It is usually best not to use superficial political views to determine personal purchasing trends.
Keep knives out of politics and politics out of knives!
@@blueeyeswhitedragon9839 what? 😂 Lol
D2 in budget knives are too inconsistent to really be beneficial to the end user. A Good 12c,14c, AUS8, or evening 8cr can and will run laps around a lot of budget D2. Not saying don’t buy it but at least keep it realistic that the likelihood of a unicorn is in the smaller percentile.
sharp knife the problem is it’s not heat treated properly watch the other video. The second half of the comment LOL
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