I KNOW you guys have a lot of questions. LOL WTH did we jet for 100? Why not Fix the Jetta? Are you stupid? (YES) LOL We did a more indepth N20 video here ~ th-cam.com/video/SJ0sVL_Y3FQ/w-d-xo.html
Their engine is already a turbo engine. This is likely just a function of them not adjusting the ignition timing to suit. Secondly why they didn't start with a 50 shot is beyond me...
@@HumbleMechanic Respect for the balls to do it, but why you didn't call someone and talk to them or do some internet research first baffles me...If you're aware of the limits of the stock rods being ~400 lb ft of torque, than why not have gone with the progressive nitrous kit from the start? What about the timing/plugs? I'm sure that there's got to be at least a handful of people out there on the VW Vortex that have done similar shenanigans with similar results? I love the S4 and glad that you guys were able to pick it up and stay under budget, but it would've been much cooler to have seen the GTI vs the Civic.
That S4 is what you should have started with. And I own a MK5 Jetta. Speaking of, ready to sell that down tube, turbo, and other go fast parts? 😀 ~Dave
I'm sure there were quite a few lessons learned, but did you guys actually take an hour or two to go scour the VW Vortex for some threads where others had made similar mistakes or installed the nitrous and used it successfully? I haven't looked myself, because I can't afford to take such a risk on my daily driven MK6 GTI, but if I were going to take such a risk I would definitely have done my due diligence and done my research ahead of time. It was entertaining, but sorely disappointing at the same time. It would have been way more entertaining had you guys successfully installed a progressive nitrous kit and been able to use the right spark plugs (probably 2 degrees colder than the original factory plugs like the guy above stated) and with or without timing having been pulled (maybe gotten a custom tune from someone reputable like Stratified).
@@whorutothink in the end this was too much power for the FSI. We were out of budget and likely to lose without the NOS. We shot a little too high though
@@Deutscheautoparts as with the YEARS of experimenting on 1.8ts, 440 lbft of tourque at 3k rpm on factory rods will always break shit. Spraying closer to 5k might have netted a completely different result. WAY too much lowdown torque.
@@nielsdebakker3283 definitely said $1500 for the car and about $1000 for a trans. Later in the video he said he paid 600 for a transmission which he then took the clutches out of.
Beaters are the best. When you scratch it, you don't even care. Oil change? You can do it a little later (15k km instead of 10k km), to save some money. And beaters are usually cheap to maintain.
@@jacobmadafaka8232 yeah, i use to have a 93 525i and i beat on it since / 130k miles to 254k and when the transmission finally went out it hurt like hell
@@HumbleMechanic In reviewing the damage to the engine, it’s definitely fixable... just git ur self some JB Weld, and stick it back together. Easy peasy, she’ll be fine 😎👌🏾
I threw a rod driving a car once. It just needed some fresh oil but it was super high mileage and a not so awesome engine to start with and was a manual transmission which was a requirement for me way back then. I was on a road trip back from Austin, Texas and we were about 8 miles from home when, *BAM*, car shuddered horribly, power dropped and nothing worked. I pulled over to the side of the road and oil was on the low side, but didn't seem terribly bad when looking at the dipstick. Wouldn't turn over, so we used insurance to trailer the car back to my house. When they started to wind the car to the trailer we saw all this oil pouring out from the back end of the block. It was crazy. I remember when it exploded all this black smoke started pouring into the cabin and I looked out the rear review mirror and saw what looked like shrapnel scatter all over the road.
@@s3stee straight up man, in Australia even Jetta’s and mk5 gtis are still selling for above 10k in good conditions, an s4 for under 20k these days would be a miracle.
@@Generic4wdGroup I’ve bought a lot of gti’s to part out and unfortunately that’s becoming a reality, the first car I bought to part out at 15 around 3 years ago was a 2010 mk6 gti that was a stat write off which I bought for only $1500,
Jet engine people have a perfect euphemism for that blow up... they call it "an uncontained failure". I can still hear the echo from my earlier comments, Charles. Awesome! :-)
This...I feel like one of the rules should've been no buying cars from friends because ain't no way a regular dude could find a car like that for less then 5k.
@@HumbleMechanic honestly that would've probably been a better way of doing it but also would've been harder to find a car under $5k since unmodified stock euros/jdms fetch a premium now a days
@The Trashman wow dude, I’ve read most all of ur comments. Ur the proverbial definition of a TROLL 😈. Go find some other place to antagonize & instigate.
@@dustyc324 you would be suprised, i started in a euro focused rebuilding shop. got my first audi A6 for 1200$ out the door after repairs, customer sold it for 600$ to the shop. tune up, full front suspension and a used transmission computer was all it needed. body was mint, serra terra cotta chocolate brown leather and 98k on the dash.
@@rickylafleur5823 oh. thats all? lol. was it an S4? and it never broke after that? unicorn. edit. The only good part was the body. says nothing about the quality of the vehicle
*puts jetta on craigslist* "needs oil change and possibly a retune, ran when parked. $5k firm this is a solid car and i will not entertain low ballers"
Man that civic is going to kick your ass....you might have had a chance with a rabbit or something but not with a jetta or a s4....the damn honda flies...
In a roll race yes. Launching cars is not easy first 60ft usually tells a lot. Although for fwd hondas generally launch fairly well. But the gti dsg can run 0-60 in about 4 seconds with tune. Ive raced a gti i out power by 100hp but 0-60 he wins.. At 70 i walk him...
@@dkis8730 Yeah i would only have changed the intake, maf sensor and intercooler and called it quits if it had approxomatly 300 horses...I dont understand what was wrong with that engine..with the k-04 they should have cracked 300...And if there was any money left i would have tried a 50 shot at the race only
They have a budget of $5k...I doubt that Civic is going to be pulling 10 second quarter miles. People act like every Honda is a 10 second car. I'd be shocked if it even got into the 12s for under $5K. They probably would have had a very good chance if they had run the nitrous in a way that it had been progressively shot instead of dumping the entire shot with the button. It was obvious to anyone with any inkling of knowledge that those factory rods weren't going to hold up to 400+ lb ft. I've got a MK6 GTI and the motor is similar to the one they blew up in that MK5. The rods are a known weak point and the off-the-shelf kits sold intentionally keep the torque down to prevent the rods from breaking.
It's a bummer about the Jetta. I was waiting on the F&F sticker job. Man that S4 transmission is huge!! It's larger then the one in my one ton cargo van!! All of this just reminds me why I prefer old crap, that's easy to work on.
I think you guys made the right choice switching to the s4, those cars with a pulley and tune feel excellent. Maybe install a cheap exhaust cutout for the race
Yeah I mean the s4 was obviously way too good of a deal even with a bad trans, but it at least makes for a fun series. I mean it was pretty obvious the Civic was gonna walk the Jetta, even with nitrous anyways so
There is a lot of over valuing of a completely undriveable S4. Especially when all the details aren't there. What is teh title status? Are the wheels really worth $1500, or was it drive by feel? Hows the suspension? Is the interior what youd expect from a 3rd owner high line German car? I didn't fit really well in the pace of this video. I might show a little more going on with it in EP4. im still making those choices.
Lol what about the ignition timing and afr. Seems like blowing it up was the plan with no tuning involved. Also when you wet spray though a intake designed to move only air distribution can become problematic. Start with a small shot, read the plugs and work your way up.
All of the emotions of a build for the price of a TH-cam account (your soul to Google/free)!!! Now THAT'S what I call value!!! Also, them G&G G's are thuper nice for letting you reset your budget.
Now you got me curious as to what power levels you could've gotten on a 50 shot ramped up, then to a 100 shot ramped up. Not that the engine or even the DSG would hold those torque levels, but maybe it would've held for a few passes.
The dq250 dsg is very robust and if we’ll maintained and with the proper dsg tune would’ve held up just fine. However the engine and more specifically, bottom end does not like tq down low. 100shot was way too much of a shot to be sprayed down low and was too much of a shock. Like I said rods are a weak point in this motor so anything more than 350-400wtq and your praying to hold it together, that’s hard to do with small turbos that like to make tq down low. I personally have the same car and am deciding on what turbo to get bc I don’t want to build my motor. Cheers, sorry for long response.
Now I am even more invested. I have a 2011 Phantom Black S4 sitting on my driveway and a box with the mechatronic repair along with the rest of things needed to finish the job. Looking forward to the next episode.
Ohh god the aftermath!!!! Ironically i was at the dentist yesterday and all i kept hearing was" where is the NITROUS " are we using the NITROUS" " we are going to have to use the NITROUS" 😂😂😂😂 only a select few will understand that when you blow up a euro, you just come back with an upgrade! Cheers! You guys are 🐐🐐 #eurolife
Dude!!! That motor blowing was epic!! 😂😂😂. And the automotive CSI post mortem was classic!! Let us know when you want to do a competition against a stock car! 😉
Its basically a parts car. To get this thing properly road worthy is going to run $8k plus. even then its still a ragged out S4. People forget how little value over high end cars have. especially when they have a serious issue. This car would have been parted out if I didn't buy it.
One of the tuning challenges with nitrous is the huge torque spike on activation. When you hit it at low rpm's, it will create HUGE cylinder pressure spike...and here we are.
This feels so deliberate .like you knew you brought a knife to a gun fight with that power to weight .they were both fwd and 4 bangers . Funny how that changed suddenly . You been working on cars long enough to know that hitting that Jetta with that abrupt hit of nitrous wasn't going to end well . Created some dramatic content and got to reset the budget now that you knew what the competition had .
Oooh boiii 😄 Was looking for the Jetta to be Betta. But hey I do like the S4 , probably mid 11s car with pully kit.. Also save the Jetta , throw in a 2.5 Iron block , beefy internals & a turbo kit , but that passes the 5K budget lol.
Seriously, Nitrous? Something that these cars are less than known for, and you try it with no experience 🤦♂️ 250-ish whp with a K04 shows that something is obviously with your power delivery. You could have spend that money better on a cheap intercooler, intake, and boost delivery piping, then you would probably would have gotten closer to the numbers you expected. That, or a 100+ octane tune (or w/m) would have been a more reliable route. I guess it's a good lesson of what NOT to do 🤣🤣🤣 Hopefully the Audi is a better option in the end.
@@jmccann6735 So after watching the nitrous video that Shop DAP posted, it seems they were already setup for nitrous when they went to the dyno; they were already committed to going full-send. Still, I would have at least started with the minimum amount listed on the chart for the injector nozzles to try to minimize the risk. It was sad to see that engine vomit and $h*t its insides out, but entertaining at least.
This engine came from together hahaha, I have seen a few holes punched in blocks before and/or pistons hammered to death by a broken connecting rod... though this thing grenaded wow. it was together... now its not. lmao I love when he said "unintended rapid engine disassembly"
@@Sadik15B Its part manual and part automatic notice the clutch disc are burnt the fluid was over heated hence the black color and the bad smell. The fluid pressure is what locks up the clutches that was burnt so this is why a transmission cooler would be a plus and is would extend the usability oi the oil.
Some ATL locals were playing with nitrous on 1.8T cars in the early 2000's. You know, to help spool a miniscule K03 turbo faster LMAO. One of them was trying to do a dyno run with a 200 shot (I don't know if it was a 200hp kit, or if they drilled out a jet), which resulted in one of the cylinder walls splitting from the pressure and filling that hole with coolant. A piston hydrolocked and broke the rod, causing the stub on the crank end to saw a big hole in the front of the block. The resulting mess caused Dynolab to drop the ban hammer on nitrous 1.8T VW's.
"bunch of rocks in a blender".... Classic.😁👍 Looking forward to the full video of the fail. Go lads, confidence you can get it to track.....and win.😊🤞🤔🤭 PS:.... VERY entertaining and interesting series this.😁
yeah here in germany we get 400HP out of a BPY engine without NOS... working on flowrestrictions and reprogramming the ECU is the main approach here, and obviusly the stock turbo has to go.
Nitrous is fine, but you have to be smart about it. Always run it with a tune for nitrous, and have the slow ramp up etc etc, hitting it too low in the rpms does crazy things to cylinder pressures iirc.
@@MeltingRubberZ28 sock bottom end with no added ring gap? a 360lb/ft hit at 3000rpm with already increased boost pressure, i would think there is some dice being rolled
@@diesel-technology5507 I guess I would assume the motor already has a decent ring gap since it is boosted from the factory, but that's an interesting perspective. If it was NA and you went turbo+nitrous that's a different story, at least IMO. However this wasn't a ringland failure anyway, the motor simply couldn't produce the torque and snapped the rod. Typically too small of a gap blows the bottom of the piston off.
@@MeltingRubberZ28 yeah the rings didn't pinch in this particualr situation, i was talking about the ls1 engines, but apples and oranges anyway. i would have thought the bottom end would have been up to the challenge in all respects given it was boosted, ring gap, rod strenght....given the stock fuel pumps are literally rated to 250 crank hp or there abouts, i would assume the bottom end might have only been designed to support that too. danger city when adding nitrous lol
I used to own the S4 V8 and that thing was so heavy, but so much fun to drive. A weight loss plan or diet, strip it of the heavier interior pieces is going to go a long way for you then trying to make more power.
David Frieburger did a great engine masters video with nitrous explaining what happens when you put to much in. Looks like you butted the ends of the piston ring together and broke the piston.
😭😭😭 NOOoOoo!! Damn iiit... The 2.0t should've been able to handle the 100 shot.. I think what made it blow was the fact that the 100 shot was fully sent instead of being ramped in lol it wouldve been fine if it was progressive.. Oh well, thankfully u guys were able to reset the budget and found the s4! Good luck with this one fellas!
I KNOW you guys have a lot of questions. LOL WTH did we jet for 100?
Why not Fix the Jetta?
Are you stupid? (YES) LOL
We did a more indepth N20 video here ~ th-cam.com/video/SJ0sVL_Y3FQ/w-d-xo.html
The Jetta GLi was like nope not doing this f*ck this im gone see y'all!!!! ✌️✌️✌️✌️
Y'all need to gap your rings or it'll happen on everything you boost.
Any VAG guy knows this is a no no with cheese rods. It made for good content though. Would love to see more stuff like this its a treat.
Did you guys turn off traction control? Stupid question, but that tends to disagree with nitro
Their engine is already a turbo engine. This is likely just a function of them not adjusting the ignition timing to suit.
Secondly why they didn't start with a 50 shot is beyond me...
"Inside parts become outside parts"
What a nice way to say that your car shit itself 😂
HAHAHAHAHA
My hypothesis vw should make plastic rods, they probably stronger than the steele the use
Man, touuuugggghhhh break, guys. Oh well, you were always fighting a losing battle. We're ready to hear your concession speech.
they should k swap it
Wait an S4 that's illegal
Exactly why it feels so deliberate and convenient.
Talk about harsh! lol
@@yovannyvasquez3916 "KSwap it" it is geting old now
“This is our first nitrous experience..” lmfao what an experience 😂😂😂😂
GO BIG!
@@HumbleMechanic We ended up going home.......
@@HumbleMechanic Respect for the balls to do it, but why you didn't call someone and talk to them or do some internet research first baffles me...If you're aware of the limits of the stock rods being ~400 lb ft of torque, than why not have gone with the progressive nitrous kit from the start? What about the timing/plugs? I'm sure that there's got to be at least a handful of people out there on the VW Vortex that have done similar shenanigans with similar results? I love the S4 and glad that you guys were able to pick it up and stay under budget, but it would've been much cooler to have seen the GTI vs the Civic.
@@whorutothink I did. The issue is a lot of people "know" with out knowing.
@@HumbleMechanic Full Send!
That S4 is what you should have started with. And I own a MK5 Jetta. Speaking of, ready to sell that down tube, turbo, and other go fast parts? 😀 ~Dave
I don't have a dog in the fight but bump this up
Yeah a B5 S4 would've been perfect
YESSSS I wish we could have.
There were lots of NOS lessons learned! We covered in a video that also shows the install.
th-cam.com/video/SJ0sVL_Y3FQ/w-d-xo.html
Cheers, don’t think the failure was your fault. I blame it on the hitler dust VW sprinkled on it at the factory.
I'm sure there were quite a few lessons learned, but did you guys actually take an hour or two to go scour the VW Vortex for some threads where others had made similar mistakes or installed the nitrous and used it successfully? I haven't looked myself, because I can't afford to take such a risk on my daily driven MK6 GTI, but if I were going to take such a risk I would definitely have done my due diligence and done my research ahead of time. It was entertaining, but sorely disappointing at the same time. It would have been way more entertaining had you guys successfully installed a progressive nitrous kit and been able to use the right spark plugs (probably 2 degrees colder than the original factory plugs like the guy above stated) and with or without timing having been pulled (maybe gotten a custom tune from someone reputable like Stratified).
@@whorutothink in the end this was too much power for the FSI. We were out of budget and likely to lose without the NOS. We shot a little too high though
@@Deutscheautoparts as with the YEARS of experimenting on 1.8ts, 440 lbft of tourque at 3k rpm on factory rods will always break shit. Spraying closer to 5k might have netted a completely different result. WAY too much lowdown torque.
What were you using for engine management/tuning?
"this car is too nice to fully gut" -You guys a couple episodes ago.
LOL Swapping an engine isn't too bad.
@@HumbleMechanic Hope I see a Kswap in that bad boy... Did they ever say the whole car had to be Euro? lol
@@JonHop1 well, it would be a bit of a shame
LOL you will not. HAHAH
This series makes us want to get in on the battle...
Those rides would look way cooler with wheels from @Fitment Industries
How much HP does stanced wheels add?
@The Trashman you seemed to have missed the point
@The Trashman you obviously don’t own a Vw…
@The Trashman 11:43
This car just simply wanted to die in peace.
Pieces.... LOL
@@HumbleMechanic touche, lmao
Bad news bro, that transmission weighs more than their honda XD
you are not wrong HAHAH
$400 K04/downpipe and now a $1500 S4? Those JDM guys are suckers. :)
:)
A B8 S4 for $1500... I would have bought it too!
This is the least believable thing to me on the video! Even the interior and rims would run for more than that.
No, 1500 for a transmission for that car ;)
@@nielsdebakker3283 definitely said $1500 for the car and about $1000 for a trans. Later in the video he said he paid 600 for a transmission which he then took the clutches out of.
This is scuffed yea.You would never get S4 for 1500 on market.
Yes, absolutely unbelievable, I understand that they can tap into their network connections, but this kind of ruins the credibility of the video.
Always a sad sight when a car blows its guts out, even if it was a beater
Yep! I have an engine, we will get her fixed at some point. LOL Now its time for shift to the other car
Beaters are the best. When you scratch it, you don't even care.
Oil change? You can do it a little later (15k km instead of 10k km), to save some money.
And beaters are usually cheap to maintain.
@@jacobmadafaka8232 yeah, i use to have a 93 525i and i beat on it since /
130k miles to 254k and when the transmission finally went out it hurt like hell
You're lucky that hundred shot of NOS didn't blow the welds on the intake...wait...what?
Plastic manifold for the win!!!
@@HumbleMechanic luckily, plastic can be welded too.
Danger to manifold
@@pieterv6984 Now Paul and the mad scientist gotta tear down the block to replace the piston rings they fried.
F A M I L Y
Man the torque spike from these tiny turbos kill engines faster than any big turbos swaps can...😳
110%
Theyre shit engines to
That plus nitrous all off the jump is a bad deal😂 would be better with a slightly too big turbo and nitrous to light the turbo off
This series is just brilliant :))) Nobody would ever grenade a car after that much work in a series like this but they just did it =))))))))))))))))
@The Trashman Suuuuure :)))
@The Trashman Lack of maintenance....i have a gti never had an issue just stay on top of maintenance
@The Trashman 138.000miles and yes i did them
@The Trashman I’ve read most all of ur comments. Ur the proverbial definition of a TROLL 😈. Go find some other place to antagonize & instigate.
@The Trashman I’ve read most all of ur comments. Ur the proverbial definition of a TROLL 😈. Go find some other place to antagonize & instigate.
Euro vs JDM with only 5k to play with is already a massive handicap for the Ero car
You are 100% right.
@@HumbleMechanic In reviewing the damage to the engine, it’s definitely fixable... just git ur self some JB Weld, and stick it back together.
Easy peasy, she’ll be fine 😎👌🏾
That's exactly how Jackstand Jimmy would have done it
ha ha true.
Gotta go for the old Bogetti wet shot straight into the throttle body lol
Never seen a man so happy to see large metallic chunks in his oil pan...
I threw a rod driving a car once. It just needed some fresh oil but it was super high mileage and a not so awesome engine to start with and was a manual transmission which was a requirement for me way back then. I was on a road trip back from Austin, Texas and we were about 8 miles from home when, *BAM*, car shuddered horribly, power dropped and nothing worked. I pulled over to the side of the road and oil was on the low side, but didn't seem terribly bad when looking at the dipstick. Wouldn't turn over, so we used insurance to trailer the car back to my house. When they started to wind the car to the trailer we saw all this oil pouring out from the back end of the block. It was crazy. I remember when it exploded all this black smoke started pouring into the cabin and I looked out the rear review mirror and saw what looked like shrapnel scatter all over the road.
That looked like there was a lot of danger to the manifold.
yeah and a small square of floor nearly fell out the passengers footwell
1500$ for an s4. Can we just appreciate how crazy that actually is when people paid 3 grand for them seats alone 😂
Even with a dead DSG that would probably be a $25k car here in Australia.
@@phillxor was just about to comment this, theres absolutely no way of coming across one of these for less then 15k in Australia
@@Generic4wdGroup on pickles auctions it’s possible, however, off record cars have been going for market value on auctions
@@s3stee straight up man, in Australia even Jetta’s and mk5 gtis are still selling for above 10k in good conditions, an s4 for under 20k these days would be a miracle.
@@Generic4wdGroup I’ve bought a lot of gti’s to part out and unfortunately that’s becoming a reality, the first car I bought to part out at 15 around 3 years ago was a 2010 mk6 gti that was a stat write off which I bought for only $1500,
9:30 Hey you all sent it and they can't take that away from ya lol
Jet engine people have a perfect euphemism for that blow up... they call it "an uncontained failure". I can still hear the echo from my earlier comments, Charles. Awesome! :-)
The old Richard Petty excuse: we had an oil pan failure at 6500rpm.
Icarus flew too close to the sun, but at least he flew - Jeremy Robert Johnson
I'll take every S4 you can find for $1500... That's a $5k car in parts easy
This...I feel like one of the rules should've been no buying cars from friends because ain't no way a regular dude could find a car like that for less then 5k.
The seats alone are at least $1k
Total bull crap. $1500 for the s4. The wheels alone are worth that.
@@ohhhcrap I feel that. but where do we stop? Could have easily said you have to actually build the car, not buy one modified.
@@HumbleMechanic honestly that would've probably been a better way of doing it but also would've been harder to find a car under $5k since unmodified stock euros/jdms fetch a premium now a days
This car is going to need like 600-700hp to beat that turbo EF.
its awd and dsg. for sure gonna be quicker off the line.
@The Trashman yeah that might happen 😂
@The Trashman wow dude, I’ve read most all of ur comments. Ur the proverbial definition of a TROLL 😈. Go find some other place to antagonize & instigate.
"I dont think these cars behave well on Nitrous"
:D
When you don´t even listen to your own advice 😁
I had so much more hope for the BPY, till I heard 100 shot 🤣
$1500 for an S4.. thats crazy.
Imported to the EU, it would go for at least 15k when fixed
yeah. a car like that isn't $1500 needing a only a $1k transmission
The trans I got quoted was like $3000. Lol I’d have bought a While replacement for 1k. Lol
@@dustyc324 you would be suprised, i started in a euro focused rebuilding shop. got my first audi A6 for 1200$ out the door after repairs, customer sold it for 600$ to the shop. tune up, full front suspension and a used transmission computer was all it needed. body was mint, serra terra cotta chocolate brown leather and 98k on the dash.
@@HumbleMechanic throwing any codes?
@@rickylafleur5823 oh. thats all? lol. was it an S4? and it never broke after that? unicorn.
edit. The only good part was the body. says nothing about the quality of the vehicle
*puts jetta on craigslist* "needs oil change and possibly a retune, ran when parked. $5k firm this is a solid car and i will not entertain low ballers"
Man that civic is going to kick your ass....you might have had a chance with a rabbit or something but not with a jetta or a s4....the damn honda flies...
Yeah 320whp and like 1800lbs or less. Honestly probably still would be faster than the Jetta even if nitrous didn't blow it up lmfao
In a roll race yes. Launching cars is not easy first 60ft usually tells a lot. Although for fwd hondas generally launch fairly well. But the gti dsg can run 0-60 in about 4 seconds with tune. Ive raced a gti i out power by 100hp but 0-60 he wins.. At 70 i walk him...
@@dkis8730 Yeah i would only have changed the intake, maf sensor and intercooler and called it quits if it had approxomatly 300 horses...I dont understand what was wrong with that engine..with the k-04 they should have cracked 300...And if there was any money left i would have tried a 50 shot at the race only
You may be right. We will find out next week. :)
They have a budget of $5k...I doubt that Civic is going to be pulling 10 second quarter miles. People act like every Honda is a 10 second car. I'd be shocked if it even got into the 12s for under $5K. They probably would have had a very good chance if they had run the nitrous in a way that it had been progressively shot instead of dumping the entire shot with the button. It was obvious to anyone with any inkling of knowledge that those factory rods weren't going to hold up to 400+ lb ft. I've got a MK6 GTI and the motor is similar to the one they blew up in that MK5. The rods are a known weak point and the off-the-shelf kits sold intentionally keep the torque down to prevent the rods from breaking.
It's a bummer about the Jetta. I was waiting on the F&F sticker job.
Man that S4 transmission is huge!! It's larger then the one in my one ton cargo van!!
All of this just reminds me why I prefer old crap, that's easy to work on.
I think you guys made the right choice switching to the s4, those cars with a pulley and tune feel excellent. Maybe install a cheap exhaust cutout for the race
@The Trashman haha have a little faith man
Itd need one jet engine of a turbo with axles to support in order to even make it above an 18s qm.. lol.
Hmmm I don't think so Tim
@The Trashman I’ve read most all of ur comments. Ur the proverbial definition of a TROLL 😈. Go play in traffic, ur trolling isn’t appreciated here.
That pickup tube @ 7:16 wow , I respect that you went for it , always love the content you guys rock !
You guys totally got hooked up. No one else can get a B8 S4 for 1500, even in the shape yours is in..
89 Civic vs a 2009 B8 S4? Come on.
It’s what tom paid fir it.
Yeah finding that s4 in that shape and miles needing what it needs for 1500 is a very unusual find.
Yeah I mean the s4 was obviously way too good of a deal even with a bad trans, but it at least makes for a fun series.
I mean it was pretty obvious the Civic was gonna walk the Jetta, even with nitrous anyways so
Connections, bro.
There is a lot of over valuing of a completely undriveable S4. Especially when all the details aren't there. What is teh title status? Are the wheels really worth $1500, or was it drive by feel? Hows the suspension? Is the interior what youd expect from a 3rd owner high line German car?
I didn't fit really well in the pace of this video. I might show a little more going on with it in EP4. im still making those choices.
Is this where Dom would say "You never had your car!"?
Dom dropping facts
Lol what about the ignition timing and afr. Seems like blowing it up was the plan with no tuning involved. Also when you wet spray though a intake designed to move only air distribution can become problematic. Start with a small shot, read the plugs and work your way up.
All of the emotions of a build for the price of a TH-cam account (your soul to Google/free)!!!
Now THAT'S what I call value!!!
Also, them G&G G's are thuper nice for letting you reset your budget.
When he mentioned NOS, I feared the worst. 😎❤️🐕🦺
LoL he was so happy disassembling the engine
Now you got me curious as to what power levels you could've gotten on a 50 shot ramped up, then to a 100 shot ramped up. Not that the engine or even the DSG would hold those torque levels, but maybe it would've held for a few passes.
The dq250 dsg is very robust and if we’ll maintained and with the proper dsg tune would’ve held up just fine. However the engine and more specifically, bottom end does not like tq down low. 100shot was way too much of a shot to be sprayed down low and was too much of a shock. Like I said rods are a weak point in this motor so anything more than 350-400wtq and your praying to hold it together, that’s hard to do with small turbos that like to make tq down low. I personally have the same car and am deciding on what turbo to get bc I don’t want to build my motor. Cheers, sorry for long response.
Now I am even more invested. I have a 2011 Phantom Black S4 sitting on my driveway and a box with the mechatronic repair along with the rest of things needed to finish the job. Looking forward to the next episode.
This one happened to a 1.2 Renault Clio I had, I wasn't running NOS. I was running on zero oil 😆🤣😂
3:00 xD
well, that's what i call a "bad burp"
what a sound montage xD
god dam that transmission is HUUUGE
Ohh god the aftermath!!!! Ironically i was at the dentist yesterday and all i kept hearing was" where is the NITROUS " are we using the NITROUS" " we are going to have to use the NITROUS" 😂😂😂😂 only a select few will understand that when you blow up a euro, you just come back with an upgrade! Cheers! You guys are 🐐🐐 #eurolife
Hey. That engine damage doesn't look THAT bad....
Lmao it's destroyed
@humblemechanic
You've still got those slicks!
Dude!!! That motor blowing was epic!! 😂😂😂. And the automotive CSI post mortem was classic!! Let us know when you want to do a competition against a stock car! 😉
An S4 for that money? Bruh, you won' find one for like 10k EUR in Germany😅
With 240000 miles/386000 km?
That price was way to low… the shop guy gave them a special deal
@@isaactrockman4417 nah it’s not I got a 2011 s4 for 2,000 just needed some suspension work and a dsg service
That’s the good thing about America, cheap insurance and cheap cars.
@@mercury0214 They are basically parts cars when they get bad DSG issues.
Yummy!!! that's a tasty steel barbeque with some oil sauce to match in that oil pan.
How the hell do you find an S4 for 1500 bucks?
Friends with benefits 😁
@@corbanlee8157 Feels kind of like cheating a bit if youre buying a car from a friend for way below the marketvalue
I bought the cheapest S4 in the USA…
Its basically a parts car. To get this thing properly road worthy is going to run $8k plus. even then its still a ragged out S4. People forget how little value over high end cars have. especially when they have a serious issue. This car would have been parted out if I didn't buy it.
One of the tuning challenges with nitrous is the huge torque spike on activation. When you hit it at low rpm's, it will create HUGE cylinder pressure spike...and here we are.
This feels so deliberate .like you knew you brought a knife to a gun fight with that power to weight .they were both fwd and 4 bangers . Funny how that changed suddenly . You been working on cars long enough to know that hitting that Jetta with that abrupt hit of nitrous wasn't going to end well . Created some dramatic content and got to reset the budget now that you knew what the competition had .
Nah, we had no idea the car they had when we went to the dyno.
Oooh boiii 😄 Was looking for the Jetta to be Betta. But hey I do like the S4 , probably mid 11s car with pully kit.. Also save the Jetta , throw in a 2.5 Iron block , beefy internals & a turbo kit , but that passes the 5K budget lol.
This here is exactly what "euro" + "budget" looks like.
that part talking about FnF with the opponent over skype was so damn funny i laughed a lot. this series is really nice!
Seriously, Nitrous? Something that these cars are less than known for, and you try it with no experience 🤦♂️
250-ish whp with a K04 shows that something is obviously with your power delivery. You could have spend that money better on a cheap intercooler, intake, and boost delivery piping, then you would probably would have gotten closer to the numbers you expected. That, or a 100+ octane tune (or w/m) would have been a more reliable route.
I guess it's a good lesson of what NOT to do 🤣🤣🤣
Hopefully the Audi is a better option in the end.
Exactly!! They should've went straight to figuring out what was wrong after dyno day
@@jmccann6735 So after watching the nitrous video that Shop DAP posted, it seems they were already setup for nitrous when they went to the dyno; they were already committed to going full-send. Still, I would have at least started with the minimum amount listed on the chart for the injector nozzles to try to minimize the risk.
It was sad to see that engine vomit and $h*t its insides out, but entertaining at least.
Yep. the bottle was on the car before we went to the dyno. But I couldn't give away all the goodies. :)
The glitter/metal confetti in the pick up is something to behold.
So hold on... For $5000 you bought a car, rebuilt the engine, AND upgraded the turbo, AND NOS'd it?! Wow, since when did it all become so cheap?
I know. When I was in highschool couldn't even get a car running for much less than 4k
Used parts, DIY labor, and buying a broken car LOL
@@HumbleMechanic 🤣😂 well said!
I own a 550whp B8.5 S4. I believe if you guys get some good mods on it and make sure it’s running properly you have a HUGE chance.
b8 s4 vs that civic isn't even gonna be fair lol those with dual pulley and tune can run 11s easily on a good wheel set up lol
That civc will be fast!
Best series right now on TH-cam 😂😂
Always tune your nitrous kids!
This engine came from together hahaha, I have seen a few holes punched in blocks before and/or pistons hammered to death by a broken connecting rod... though this thing grenaded wow. it was together... now its not. lmao I love when he said "unintended rapid engine disassembly"
Loving this series of vids 😍
I would put an external trans cooler on this with a fan when drag racing this thing.
Why? It hasnt got a torq convertor.
The transmission is just an automated manual
@@Sadik15B Its part manual and part automatic notice the clutch disc are burnt the fluid was over heated hence the black color and the bad smell. The fluid pressure is what locks up the clutches that was burnt so this is why a transmission cooler would be a plus and is would extend the usability oi the oil.
@@Sadik15B No, its not automatic in that why it automatic in the way the gears are selected
The clutch pack is pressured this part is like a conventional automatic transmission nothing else.
@@coatingsplatingsjas1powder557 clutch burns because the pressure isnt high enough to prevent slipping.
Some ATL locals were playing with nitrous on 1.8T cars in the early 2000's. You know, to help spool a miniscule K03 turbo faster LMAO.
One of them was trying to do a dyno run with a 200 shot (I don't know if it was a 200hp kit, or if they drilled out a jet), which resulted in one of the cylinder walls splitting from the pressure and filling that hole with coolant. A piston hydrolocked and broke the rod, causing the stub on the crank end to saw a big hole in the front of the block.
The resulting mess caused Dynolab to drop the ban hammer on nitrous 1.8T VW's.
I learned a lot in this video...
*Q*-How do you make a 2.0FSI fast for cheap?
*A*-Trash it and buy a 3.0T(S?)
They could've done methanol for like 500 bucks and been completely fine at 400hp! So sad, I was excited to see the GLI stomp that Honda 😆
@@jmccann6735 I was curious why they didn’t go meth, maybe they were just 2 Fast 2 Furious!!!
We opted for n2o pretty early on. Meth was on. The table for sure too
@@HumbleMechanic was the 100 shot the plan from the start? Ha ha
No that was stupid game time choices. HAHA
4:30 😂😂😂 it was though!
This race is already over. The civic will still win spinning every gear.
Hahah
7:15 This is why it's almost impossible to build a race car on a budget
Oh hey. Nitrous failure? I think hoovie knows a thing or two about blowing up a car with naws
Never heard someone be so happy about absolutely toasted clutches
Mostly happy to find something definitely wrong. Transmission diag can be inconclusive. He sure was happy!
Pretty typical for a euro car to blow through the budget twice.
This is the way.
"bunch of rocks in a blender".... Classic.😁👍
Looking forward to the full video of the fail.
Go lads, confidence you can get it to track.....and win.😊🤞🤔🤭
PS:.... VERY entertaining and interesting series this.😁
Look mate, I'm no mechanic, but I reckon that engine is fucked aye
nahh it just needs some duct tape and good epoxy! 🤪
“Ahh juicy , ahhh juiced me again “. 🤣
And *this* is why I've never been a fan of NOS
yeah here in germany we get 400HP out of a BPY engine without NOS... working on flowrestrictions and reprogramming the ECU is the main approach here, and obviusly the stock turbo has to go.
Nitrous is fine, but you have to be smart about it. Always run it with a tune for nitrous, and have the slow ramp up etc etc, hitting it too low in the rpms does crazy things to cylinder pressures iirc.
"you know he dies in the movie?..." "not right away....." HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! classic.
Who actually activities nitrous at 3500rpm though 😅
3000 all day on an LS1
@@MeltingRubberZ28 sock bottom end with no added ring gap? a 360lb/ft hit at 3000rpm with already increased boost pressure, i would think there is some dice being rolled
p.s. 360lb/ft i calculated at 25hp per cylinder (same as with the 4 cylinder)
@@diesel-technology5507 I guess I would assume the motor already has a decent ring gap since it is boosted from the factory, but that's an interesting perspective. If it was NA and you went turbo+nitrous that's a different story, at least IMO. However this wasn't a ringland failure anyway, the motor simply couldn't produce the torque and snapped the rod. Typically too small of a gap blows the bottom of the piston off.
@@MeltingRubberZ28 yeah the rings didn't pinch in this particualr situation, i was talking about the ls1 engines, but apples and oranges anyway. i would have thought the bottom end would have been up to the challenge in all respects given it was boosted, ring gap, rod strenght....given the stock fuel pumps are literally rated to 250 crank hp or there abouts, i would assume the bottom end might have only been designed to support that too. danger city when adding nitrous lol
That’s one GIGANTIC transmission ya got there charles
This series should be called "is a poorly built japanese car more reliable than any vw/audi product?"
We know what the answer is 🚗
roflcopter... "You were right Ian, inside parts become outside parts"
Notification squad!👍🏻
YASSS!
Damn, fluid master. That pour was to die for. I used to be a pour master, but I stopped filling heavy equipment from diesel cans long ago lol.
Two part pistons are all the rage these days.
Great vid, thanks!
These have been awesome to watch, looking forward to the next one!
"We have inside parts that have become outside parts..." 😂 that shit had me rolling
I used to own the S4 V8 and that thing was so heavy, but so much fun to drive. A weight loss plan or diet, strip it of the heavier interior pieces is going to go a long way for you then trying to make more power.
That unexpected rapid disassembly was awesome
I've never seen someone so excited to see a bunch of burnt up clutches
I like that jacking table, that's pretty slick!
This is true pain LMAO the little gli that couldnt
"Unintended rapid engine disassembly" LMFAO you are the best dude 👍🤣
That let go in spectacular fashion. 💥
I think you should have taken the orange type II on the left at 5:37 and k-swapped it with turbo 😂😂😂
David Frieburger did a great engine masters video with nitrous explaining what happens when you put to much in. Looks like you butted the ends of the piston ring together and broke the piston.
2:55 I think that deserves an MXC Impact Replay
That's the definition of a motor puking it's guts out 😂
Hahah it is.
😭😭😭 NOOoOoo!! Damn iiit...
The 2.0t should've been able to handle the 100 shot..
I think what made it blow was the fact that the 100 shot was fully sent instead of being ramped in lol it wouldve been fine if it was progressive..
Oh well, thankfully u guys were able to reset the budget and found the s4! Good luck with this one fellas!