Noob Stompers: Why They Suck In High Elo But Are Overpowered In Low Elo | League of Legends
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- Some champions in League perennially find incredible performance and success in lower ranked games but tend to perform worse in higher ranked games. Today I want to talk about them to go over the reasons why!
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As a yorick main, i can confirm that it is harder to shovel the higher you climb
gotta admit tho this oce kid who made high elo players absolutely mald about yoricks kit is proof that he can be viable
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Just play him jungle, he’s a beast there
Nice one XDDDD
sad how most ppl didn't get it
Thank you fellow Rick enjoyer we need to be heard
As a low Elo player I am way more concerned about pro stompers, characters like zeri, twisted Fate, old ASOL. Characters who were op at high Elo but trash at low Elo but that my team would still pick and solo lose the game for us.
I would say that these characters tend to be "high skill floor" rather than "pro stompers". Map awareness is the point of separation between a good TF and a bad one, and that's generally one of the skills that develops the slowest in a League player.
Other times it's just characters who thrive when you've got a coordinated team to follow up on their plays (Typically without much individual power), so you'll see the character often in pro play but they pretty universally suck in diamond and below. I'm blanking on examples but I'm sure you could think of a few.
And of course, as the video mentioned, sometimes the champion is just so rare that nobody at high elo knows how to play against them, but they're just complex enough that nobody at low elo knows how to play them properly either.
galio, ryze, @@kevingriffith6011
@@kevingriffith6011 Basically ADC as a role in general (expect when Zeri was giga broken), as current state of leauge we all know everybody will dive bot all the times since adc can carry the easiest, and a good cordination/ being able to communicate with team can help you stay within arm reach to the enemy ADC. If we talk about champs I would say Azir. Multible times he got close to the worst winrate in soloq, but shine in Pro, because of the cordination.
@@kevingriffith6011 I would argue that even ith map awareness, you can't do much as TF in low elo anyways, it's not as if you're gonna carry the game if you're fed, bcs he's not a carry and is the easiest mage to neutralize
@@RA-LT Map awareness does more than you think. TF's ability to un-balance any fight on the map can still turn games at low elo, but I admit you have to rely on the dubious prospect of "counting on your teammates", since your goal is to get them so far ahead they can't lose rather than winning the game for yourself. It's a much easier pill to swallow when your teammates are Challenger, rather than bronze.
It actually takes *even more* awareness in low elo, since not only do you have to be aware of the map, you've also got to figure out who is least likely to throw the game away if you give it to them on a silver platter.
As a mundo main, i can confirm that it is harder to go where you please the higher you climb
At some point I wonder who am I to think im better than plats, but then I remember, im MUNDO
@@matejkovacic6889 plats too trash for me mundo
2:22 Samira is the definition of a time check noobstomper, the Yi of adc. Super simple combos that can give pentas but not so effective in higher elos because they know how to play around her W cooldown, abuse her weak early game, and prevent her combos with cc and proper kiting.
yep i started league only recently and when climbing from iron to silver the only adc i was afraid to see getting fed was samira. an early "enemy double kill" with a samira icon meant i was gonna see some pentakills later on.
She’s feast or famine. Either she gets fed and stomps if nobody can stop her or nothing eventful happens in lane so she can’t snowball, and in turn she becomes useless because unlike other adcs her power in ranged combat isn’t very good compared to her close range power
I'd argue she's worse. Yi has some intricacies added to him over time. Samira has no further outplay in her kit than just "W wind wall." When she used to be able to dash to anything, she could do that.
@DarkDodgers Her wr raises from 46%>51% late game. My guess as to why this is, is because she does evolve into a different champion after a couple items mainly collector duskblade and shieldbow. She goes from a champ that is useless to most adc and supports ranges and does subpar damage if she does manage to close the gap, into a champ with so much burst and lifesteal that one shots and resets her health bar every 2 seconds
@stepb.3223 that's usually why, as a support, I will pick a super aggressive support to compensate for her neutral
I think you kinda missed one of the biggest contributors to pubstompers: It all comes down to certain assumed skills that are underdeveloped in low elo play, and the disconnect between the skill required to pilot a character and the skill required to counter them.
A character's lack of mobility doesn't really matter as much if the enemy has gold-level teamfight positioning. A jungler with bad ganks can still get value in a game where the enemy team has gold-level map awareness and pushes too hard. A character with strong, long range skillshot pokes can thrive in a league where players don't know how to protect themselves from them. (Imagine playing Blitz or Thresh and your opponent doesn't even know to use minions for cover against your hook)
That's not even mentioning the champions whose main counter is "Just use wards".
These are all pretty universal skills that develop with experience, but there are a lot of champions in this game that thrive when the opponent doesn't have them.
fair and i would say that a big reason as to why the noob stompers are what they are is because the lack of assumed skills are much more efficiently capitalized on by the noob stomping champions. master yi punishes a bad draft that doesnt think to pick cc, which is due to low elo players locking in whatever they want, with no regard for composition, for example
@@tofupowda Honestly the main reason isn't him being good due to no cc it's that they don't use their cc effectively, they either chuck it out randomly or they all use it at the same time. Sure not having enough can be a problem but even in lower elos usually there is enough cc.
"Assumed skills that r underdeveloped in low elo play"
There is no way u watched the video if thats what ur commenting, there is a list of examples of this exact thing in the video 👀
@@flowbie-1336 He talked a lot about confidence, under-respecting a champion at some times and over-respecting them at others when really that's too high level and vague for it.
Like... Imagine Vayne vs Olaf. Now imagine it again, but Vayne doesn't try to kite Olaf at all. That's the assumed skills I'm talking about, even if that is seriously exaggerated. Some champions really do benefit from an environment with a low level of mechanics.
I can't think of an other example off the top of my head, so I'm going old school... but pre-rework nidalee is another example: a long range spear that does 75% of your health is fine at high elo because people are playing around it with minions or just watching for it and dodging it, but at low level that's a lot less guaranteed.
Some characters just capitalize on basic, rookie mistakes better than others while themselves also being very easy to pilot, and it's these champs that tend to be pubstompers.
I remember a game when I was in bronze where the enemy Eve was just absolutely railing us. No matter how many times I said "buy red wards" to try and counter her was insane. At around the 30 minute mark, people started doing it, and what happened? We could catch Eve out and nuke her as she was the hard carry. We won that game in the end.
Noticed something interesting, for the first few minutes there’s clips and videos of master yi while he’s explaining the terms, but he doesn’t actually consider Yi a pubstomber.
"Pubstomber" bruh summer is not over yet, go and take some English classes
Why are you bullying him
Because Yi exploits the poor drafting in low elo more than anything else.
@@mladyyoureapeasant6958 Bro mistyped 1 word and you're treating it like the worst thing imaginable
@@Senny_V Facts bro, say “Sorry”
Noob stompers in low elo are terrifying. If as little as one person in the team lacks game knowledge, everything becomes a huge issue.
I play with my bronze bf and I play soraka and it makes me sad that the enemy team mostly never gets heal cuts for me and I just be fully healinv everyone up. Like it’s crazy
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@@Deathvines09 gay girl same thing.both start w g and both suck on D
@Deathvines09 This answer was the best thing I have read today xd
I was a Nasus main for a very long time, I found him to be very relaxing to play and he even improved my macro, farming and freezing skills. However the more I climbed in rank the more stressed I was getting in games. In higher elos you not only have to depend more on your teammates but the enemy team also gets better at exploiting your weaknesses.
Now I just play with him outside ranked ocasionally.
In the end I think such picks are just too demanding to play in higher elos compared to other more estabilished picks. Its not that they're unplayable, its that they become niche and need a LOT more investment to do good there.
I wonder, if Nasus had a movespeed increase instead of an enemy movespeed debuff or heck even a stun ability, would he work better?
as a Sett main, Nasus was also one of my for fun champs but man, us toplaners are getting the shaft lately from all the fast dashing or kiting enemies
As a nasus main, do you have any suggestions on how to play against him? I had a game a few days ago where I completely zoned him from wave to the point where he was rarely even getting cs with his e. He got a kill on my jungler, and due to that I had to take a bad back before then crashing a big wave under tower and traded with him. After that, I just couldn't contest him at all. It's not even like he left to tax a jungle either, I checked the replay and he was in lane the whole time. It's really annoying since as a poppy main it's hard to force him into a disadvantage state just due to his overabundance of lane sustain, cc immunity from runes, and complete lack of positional mechanics.
I genuinely don't play poppy but for nasus just punish his early game hard, don't pick another scaling champ, as nasus will outscale hard
@@aaronscott7467 I don't know how the current matchups against nasus are, but I used to have a hard time against champions who could outdamage and outsustain me even after lvl 6 (darius, fiora and jax come to mind). Many people underestimate the powerspike nasus gains after getting sheen and lvl 6, go for a kill and end up dying, triggering a snowball.
You need to shutdown his early game and delay his entrance in the game long enough for your team to be able to deal with him on teamfights (a tank to cc and tank him usually is enough to shut him down in a tf since he lacks any kind of mobility). With poppy you may need more help from your jungler, don't buy bami's early and deny as much cs as possible.
@@arandomgamer6228 thanks for the advice. Sadly I already do all that, so I guess just waiting on my jungler to be useful is all I can really do then.
Ivern is the only noobstomper for both the enemy and your team. They have no idea what he does.
the only thing everyone knows is he has a big annoying rock and bushes
bro i've been playing for 10 years still don't know what he does
@@roycohen. he's going to make your jungler want to cry. That is all.
This video's pretty accurate. However, Malzahar is viable High Elo.
With "Future's Market" and "Sapphire + Refill" start, he only has to survive until 590g for Last Chapter.
His Q forces neutral play while shoving with E W. He won't run out of mana, and he'll scale safely.
based 🙏🙏
Will still die to counterpicks a lot harder than normal champs.
Pick someone that can kill voidlings quickly and it takes a lot more levels before he can start pushing. Pick someone that can faceank malefic visions on top of that to stop the chain and malz is literally a cannon minion.
Diana, rumble, kassadin, etc will shitstomp malz.
And while not a great pick overall past laning phase, trynd can starve malz to a hilarious degree if jungle doesn't help.
Literally every jgler, he included in the video are good in high elo, J4 is even picked in LCS XD
@@balintkereszturi538lcs is different than solo que high elo, in soloque you have to hard carry if you are playing a jungler. Which is why skirmishers are top of the charts but in lcs and pro play, jarvin gets chosen because he is more or a team fighter with the way he can reposition and set up quickly but in solo que if j4 is vs elise or reksai he just loses and/or escapes but loses his camps and the game is over from there because you may not have good rotation.
If you see him start mana crystal unless its a really free matchup for malz, you will just go inbetween him and the wave and hard bully him
nasus w brings everyone joy not just low elo
One of the big factors that makes many of these champions so good is because they are anti-smurf as well. It's much harder to solo carry as a smurf when malz presses R exclusively on you, nasus wither, mundo tankiness, stalling for the Avenger squad to come (since lower elos love to run around the map in groups of 5. They get away with it too since no one punishes anything, likely due to low confidence that you suggested.)
Being pretty new and probably sitting somewhere around bronze or silver. I basically only play heros that can take objectives well, Yorick, Trundle, Sivir. Or ones who play into or around late game scaling because games never end. Cho, Zac, or Malz, Zilean. I don't have the micro to play assasins or team fight ADCs and playing heros who struggle to take objectives is so painful because so often people have poor macro and will just give up towers or neutral camps for nothing.
As an iron 2 player, this entire video went right over my head. I can play low tier broken champs and lose and I can play high tier broken champs and still lose.🙃
Why iron 2 tho, just learn a champ you like and play the game
I feel like to get out of iron you just need a working computer
@@Dr.Junk. I’m on GeForce now. I don’t want to play ranked because it’s too stressful.
@@Dr.Junk. in fact, I haven’t played a unranked rift game in about two weeks. I’ve only been playing arena because I actually have fun.
@@Kilesfactor respect. I mainly play aram because it’s almost always fun and half of my summoners rift games aren’t fun in the slightest
Can you make an anti-noobstomp series plz? There are certain champs I see over and over in low elo (gold-plat) that I do not know how to beat. I'm sure that since most of the community is silver to plat, this would be useful for everyone.
I feel like there's no easy answer. You just need more experience against them.
Who are some of the champions you cannot beat?
Whatever champion you main go to the subreddit and ask for help against the champ it made me turn matchups where i always lose into free matchups.
There are already alot of videos out there explaining how to counter each champion, my advice: do not seek out tips and tricks videos on how to beat certain champions, those are pretty much worthless often will make you play worse because you're so focus on exercuting this 1 "simple trick", instead seek out videos that explains the strong and weak points of the champion you're looking to counter and apply them to your own gameplay. Even better if you can watch an OTP playing said champion in high elo and take note on what the enemy is doing to capitalise on the champion's weakness
Against yorick just pick irelia, but hes prob gonna ban it so just pick olaf or some other heavy statchecker 1v1
I love this style of league content because I have not been around league till recently and I just love having informational content whether it can help me or not.
Run, escape, don't get into it
before aatrox got reworked, i played him all the way from bronze to plat. it’s amazing how many ppl didn’t know to build executioners early lol
I´m curious to know why you would not consider Veigar and Yi pubstompers. Veigar ticks all the boxes and does pretty good in low elo while yi is like, the quintessential noob stomper.
Probably because Yi is just the epitome of feast or famine and Veigar has at least some utility when behind with is E
probably one of the criteria is related to play and/or win ratio difference between low and high elo, even though veigar is a time checker he doesnt have such gap between low and high elo, maybe
honestly, are yi and veigar even comparable? yi is a low elo terrorist due to pretty simple reasons such as the enemy not drafting any cc, allowing him to power farm and never putting any pressure on him pre 6, and fighting him when he has reached an item spike.
@@tofupowda low Elo terrorist got a chuckle out of me
@@randombadchannel8700There's no famine when your opponents are fucking dumb and draft zero cc and never build Zhonya.
I see it all the time, but I cannot explain that to my teammates since I disabled chat. Gotta dodge from now on
I totally expected Darius as an example
There are challenger darius players and he is still good cus of how much of a good lane bully he is and he has almost no counterpicks
i would consider him a pubstomper at well. his ridiculous damage and bulk makes him a terrifying presence, and he can easily snowball out of control from a few kills, making him feel very oppressive to fight. in higher ELOs? his lack of moblity options, short range and backloaded damage makes him easily shut down by a competent team. darius is the kind of champ who either does everything or does nothing
I'd throw Sett and Olaf in here as well. Warwick too maybe? Maybe Trundle in the past?
But it's hard to get the difference between statcheckers and pubstompers. Some are both.
Most juggernauts fit this category except for the weaker ones like Urgot.
@@Victorvonbass there are still some ppl who still play olaf cus of his strong lane phase so that they snow ball hard in high elo.
@@Victorvonbass Olaf is not a noob champion. He is kind of stat checky but spacing out your Q's at just to right range can be very difficult.
Also he is very unforgiving when you fall behind even slightly.
This was actually very insightful as a new LoL player. Particularly about why some junglers aren’t as good in low elo because they’re more invade-oriented. I mostly play top lane, but I do jungle as a secondary and being invaded is such an anxiety for me. I don’t take those risks because I don’t trust that I know how to play well enough to kill the enemy jg early on.
This video was actually really informational because it drilled into my head the concept of advantage and disadvantage states - going into detail on it makes me consider more carefully not only my matchups and what champions I'm playing, but also how I play them. You point out that characters with range thrive in neutral states and those with more survivability and disengage abilities thrive in disadvantage states, while those with high mobility thrive in advantage states. So when I'm playing someone more immobile like Yorick, I should make a point to not be too aggressive in pushing an advantage.
For reference I’m bronze and I play mainly assassins. and I have figured out that if I just rush sash I can just dive him whenever I want because he doesn’t have cc from his ult so I can just continue my combo. I’m in the process of trying to learn counterplay towards these champions I’ve always considered “broken” but am realizing that I’ve just played against wrong till now. This video really helped me visualize concepts I need to work on. Thanks a lot ❤
As I've watched these vids and climbed I'm beginning to more and more often realize that Vars is a hardstuck gold top player and his opinions match.
Ratio
PIN OF SHAME
@VarsVerum listen man I'm not trying to hate, I've been subbed a while and I think you make good videos, I just also think you miss sometimes, that's just how it is.
@@marmotexjr LEVY ENJOYER? WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?
@@Deathnabotl what
As a %65 wr emerald yorick main that got placed in bronze II, he is so easy to just go full lethality on and stomp in gold and below. Once you get into high plat, your build and runes chang drastically depending on the matchup if you want to have the highest chances of winning, and matchups get way harder.(My wr dropped from %80 at plat 4 to now %67 at emerald 4)
dude i dont know.. after i tried play some match up with more tank/off tank builds i found out that it was easier to win my lane early but harder to carry late. With lethality yorick u can really 1v2 or even 1v3 if with good positioning while no matter how fed u are with tank build u cant even 1v2 late game. So yes it might seems better idea to play him off tank but u cant really 1v9. It feels like that even in emerald elo teams dont know how to play with a yorick in team. IF only they were paying attention on minimap games would be so much easier for yorick. I mean it is the only champ in game that with no smite can take min 20 baron alone.
@@oculusgrI believe AD Shaco can as well. I think. Im no shaco main but a play plenty of yorick and like to keep my eye on the Nasher Slasher challenge and many of the top players are Shaco one tricks. So apparently they solo baron a lot.
EDIT: I just realized you said no smite. Whoops lol. Either way, I believe shaco could still pull it off.
@@jakecampbell9748 i dont know i think in 10 years playing this i have never seen solo shaco doing baron at 20 min game with normal feed
i dont understand how you can place do far away from your previous rank, can you explain if something happened im genuinely confused. i ended season plat4 after first placement threw me p4 too
@@itsSparrow- this new split basically gave everyone fresh mmr, happened to me to, got gold4 had to climb back to e3 with 80%wr. small indie game !
Great timing. I was recently showing a friend how to play the game and we had an adc player (approx silver) who could not stop complaining about how the Nasus was fed now and there was nothing we could do. I set up a textbook shut down of a nasus with the support and the adc was terrified to even be in max AA range to dps them down. Its only been a year since I was hard stuck silver and I cant believe how ridiculous being on the outside looking in feels now that I've started to improve (all be it slowly).
I think its pretty common in low elo that people get scared when even one of the enemy champions is fed. I was scared of fed Nasus, Katarina, any adc etc, until i realised just because they are fed, doesnt mean they are immortal. I think a good way to climb is to pick high CC champions, and focus on the enemy carry. As a support main picking Morgana, Leona or Naut helped a lot lol
Albeit slowly not all be it slowly... why are you dumb?
The best other example for a pubstomper in the botlane is Aphelios. He is the pinnacly of abusing the difference in game knowledge: in lower elo only other Aphelios players have any idea what he actually does. Most people don't know any better than that he's an ADC so he attacks a lot and then suddenly, what? I am rooted? What, why did our team blow up? And now he's full health again wtf? What's going on?!
Also, I cannot believe you've left out the posterboy for pubstompers: Master Yi.
I'm a low elo Elise main and i gotta say, there's nothing more fun than just completely hijacking an enemy fiddle's or lillia's jungle as usually even if they notice their team usually isn't quick enough to help them or they're thinking that i can't possibly kill them as "lillia hardcounters elise" and suddenly their jungle is like 70 farm and 4 levels behind still trying to pull off things they could do in their previous games just resulting in them feeding even more. So, I do think that predator junglers can be good noob stomper stompers if you do it right as most of the jungle noob stompers heavily rely on getting farm, which rek sai or elise can prevent pretty well.
I'm an Evelynn main, please invade me on Elise you can have the camp, once I hit 6 I'll collect the free kill on you.
@@ethanjsands7610 Yeah, I mean against eve it's really just about who hits their cc first xD
Love the new editing keep up the good work
I can confirm the Malzahar statement. As a bronze Yone main, this is probably one of my least favorite champions to lane against, however when I watched a WayOfTheTempest video on that matchup, he absolutely destroyed him.
Love the content vars keep up the hard work
That acronym is just a fitting coincidence, "meta" stands for _metagame_ - with the prefix meaning "beyond", that means beyond playing whatever and trying to optimize strategies.
yea
Thanks for the video. Such a good one.
Especially for me. I'm just silver and I'm just beginning to understand my mistakes in a couple of games. Like when im playing against an Malzahar.
Very informative video! As a bronze player trying to climb I can relate
II hadn't played since S3 and I recently returned to league, I have lost a lot of my muscle memory but I realized that my characters ( j4 and Fiddle) were pretty consistent considering my lack of mechanics, now everything makes sense
try fiddle as supp its hidden op pick
I wouldn’t exactly say noob stomp Champs are definitively bad in high elo. Champions like Mundo, Garen, Darius or many of the jungle noob champs mentioned are more situational, not flat out bad in high elo, I think it’s team comp thing.
Garen actually has a close to 50% winrate in challenger , because he is a decent counterpick, which ia surprisingly higher than in masters and grandmasters
@@Gorecattowho does he counter up there? I’m assuming it’s because of his silence
@@TheAegineYes.
@@TheAegineGaren might have one of the most damaging all-ins in the game thats why
Take Spearshot as a perfect example he raised Pantheon winrate in Korea from 44% to 50% within one patch. So yeah some of them can be taken as counterpick or pick for comp thing, but onetricks are a factor too. If an otp plays his out of meta hardly ever picked champ in high elo there is a high chance that enemy won't know how to play vs him, meanwhile our otp played every matchup 1000s of times and knows everything of it.
Take a "hard counter matchup" as an example if 2 casaul players play them the matchup will swing into the Countering champs favor, but if the counter picked champ is piloted by a onetrick there is a high chance he will stay even with the opponent.
i would say that one famous noob stomper is Morgana, shes the perfect example, she has a huge ban rate in low elo and no one plays her in plat +
talk about champs with similar win rate on differents elos
Illaoii is viable in high elo in recent patches.
i feel as an olaf main, lots of people don’t understand quite how he works and i easily take advantage of it especially outside of lane. although he’s more prominent in pro-play than the listed champs, his strength in low elo makes me feel like he belongs. running down the bot lane because they don’t realize they can’t cc and if they also try to auto attack once i press Q and flash or ghost and you lose your life while also dealing next to zero damage to me. oh and if you happen to deal damage to me i go to jg rq and heal to full health faster than garen.
Finally someone who says it... As A yorick main, playing vs someone who plays around you been a yorick and knows what yorick is absolutely bloody difficult
what to do against ur champ as ksante i always struggle in this matchup
@madobricktw8533 Just play Aggresive level 1 to 6
Yorick without ghouls is pretty much worthless , kick him away from his wave, and you pretty much won until the lane phase ends
Since by the time He will reach level 6, you need to make sure you out level him, thus making level 6 to 11 a lot less trouble some lol
If you can't Force him out of the wave for any reason what's so ever , Note that Yorick is very much an ability base champion Just Like aatrox or firoa , Dude needs to respect his own cds ,
If he misses his E and he doesn't back away , it's a good chance to engage
From level 6, Yorick becomes a champion with 2 health bars , Take either down low enough and He is pretty much forced to back away, He is going to be pretty much consistently shoving, so it's gankable
Although he is dangerous Here if you didn't menged to bully him , So make sure not to be cocky , Respect his cds and the waves sizes , Attack the medien if it's miss positioned (rarely it isn't) and you should be fine
From the end of the lane phae You are on a time ticking clock (assuming you won or gone Evan, since else you will simply lose top Al lthougher , hardly any champion can beat yorick when behind ) you gotta finish the game before he catches up and fucks you over
Baisc laws about the guy : He is worthless without His summons even when ahead , if he doesn't have them , He won't fight you
He is unique in the scene that he will farm or attempt to farm a few lanes at the same time, making him a really good farmer if he isn't kept on check
Think of yorick like a boss fight rather than a regular champion, really, lol..
@madobricktw8533 for Ksent specifically You can Dash through his wall making it baiscly worthless and Your ultimate pretty much counter 99% of his Kit since if he miss positioned you can yoink him away from his summons,
They don't TP to him, unlike shacos clones or tibbers, thus making him pretty vulnerable here , also You can neget most of the DMG from His Ghouls by just using your E dash as they jump to you to then Q the ghouls after they jump to clear them out once again opening yorick to be engaged on as he dosent have His Ghouls
@@madobricktw8533 you can straight up perma space and outtrade yorick in short bursts with your Q and grasp. You must have a tempo-lead and HP lead (which is very easy to do) by lvl 6 though. If you don't punish him pre-6 he can look to exert a tempo lead with his maiden and go from there.
and remember even with both of you at full HP and his maiden up, K'sante actually still has a chance to win an extended engagement if played properly, which is kinda absurd for a tank.
@@madobricktw8533 frozen heart, tabis, ult him away from maiden and take trades when he has no ghouls
Bel Veth is missed, has an insane scaling that is pushed very much by the faults of the enemy team. If the enemy team knows what they are doing and don't let u grow, you often end up not having much positive impact.
Funny that mundo is on the thumbnail, i remember there being a post on Reddit asking why he suddenly gets a spike in winrate at like dimond+ or something a few weeks back and the consensus was "he's so tanky he can just run at the backline and they're dead "
and that is the heavily nerfed version. when they first introduced heartsteel, he was unkillable with 8000hp as a full tank but still could kill a mage faster than an assassin could.
1:45 in season 9 i spammed pre rework volibear in the top lane and i won like 80% of my matches because no one knew how to play against him since he never got picked. I got platinum for the first time. Almost got diamond. For a casual player i was pretty happy.
im kinda sad you didnt mention yi but its fair since his rework he is pretty viable in high elo
One thing i noticed is how most of the lane champs in this video specifically the top champs are all “don’t fight us and you win champs” but in low we get bored and just perma fight in lane. Yorick can’t do anything if you don’t stupidly blow all your cool downs first, but i get bored easy
Which ironically is the biggest weakness of yone and yasuo, eventually they'll just dive the tower
@@njalsand133yone gets a reset button though. Oh my biffed my tower dive, that’s cool.boop.
Shaco is also a matchup check champion in low elo. I cant count the number of times it feels like people just run it down to you during invades and ganks where in main elo people would never do that
I will say just one thing about Yorick that makes him even better in Low Elo, not sure what they do in high elo for him as I rarely play ranked at all, that being his Maiden detaching from him and pushing botlane while Yorick himself pushes top. More often then not the enemy team foolishly goes after the maiden which means Yorick buys himself even more time to do what he wants to do, push towers. but if the enemy team forgets about Maiden detach entirely, she is capable enough wiping an entire lane of towers on her own, provided there is enough steady minions to keep tower aggro off her. Its pretty interesting to watch what enemy teams do when faced with that decision even though it should be obvious what to do.
It’s worth saying that the reason i always ban picks like yorick, kindred, trundle and the likes in my elo isn’t even due to my lack of understanding of them, it’s that I can’t count on my team knowing what to do against them, especially since it’s a massive coinflip as to whether they pay attention to the minimap or not.
As a (insert Character here) main, I am outraged due to your (insert character here) placement. (insert character here) is VERY difficult to play, and the reason my enemies lose to me is my superior skill on (insert character here) and NOT their lack of matchup knowledge.
I main Kled, lets go.
7:55 i often see my friends look up counters on porofessor or blitz and then still get stomped in Lane beacause they fail to understand Why and how they are a counter in that matchup.
as a fizz main would be kinda interested in his reasons because he still has a high wr in high elo. I get that low elo players dont understand his threat ranges but then why is he still good in high elo?
Overwhelming midgame / lategame damage combined with high mobility and good catch potential
he is good sidelaner and enables some macro plays
A good fizz player will always get fed in low elo because they don't know how to punish him during the laning phase
high elo=ez af dives, and disgusting burst in skirmishes
Yorick main here. I agree with your words in general, but u think you missed part that makes him frustrating to fight against. His ghouls scales with his stats abd can deal decent damage, but that can only work if player dont know how they agro work. If player always dodge Yorick E and stand far from wave when its pushed by ghouls, or kill them fast enough, Yorick just cant do proper engage. He need to damage enemy with ghouls, prepare new set up and start all in to win in most of cases, but his one only way to do so is throw his skillshot at enemy, which means the more enemy efficient at dodging skills, the harder Yorick will feel in lane.
I’d say also with some champs like malzahar and Nasus etc that they also shine in low Elo because there’s a lot of pointless 2v2s or 3v3s where those champs can much more effectively win fights
Yeah, after 12 mins it's an ARAM mid for the next 40 mins.
before watching the video im going to assume because the counter to them is either wave manip or counter itemizing properly which people wont do as winning/countering is reduced to kill opponent and back/hardpush
I just started playing this game this year and this list is accurate though i think it's missing some people. I find Yi Xerath to be pretty problematic myself(I'm Iron 1). Also does senna qualify as a noob stomper as she scales as well?
Low elo Sona here. People don't take in account her passive and so they always try to pick on me. It gets really funny when I go full AP and they explode when I hit them with empowered Q and get confused as to how they died to a Sona.
One of your best video of all time maybe my opinion
Understanding mechanics is elo on paper. Back in season 3 I used to pick maokai mid vs Jayce. Maokais passive back then every like 3 or 4 nearby skills his next auto would generate like an 8% total health heal. I think Jayce stil functions the same way currently meaning he would generate heals for you with 2 skillsets. I would dunk on jayce by lvl 3 or 4 abusing the 2 to 3 8% total health heals activated in an early skirmish. The twisting advance was a self gap closer and rooting to hold him in place while your sappling had time to travel . Your Q would knock them back a little just in time to take the explosion. In short Jayce had 2 skillsets technically, maokai had 1 set. Maokai passive worked by any nearby champions casting skills. Maokai sapling had 2 hit mechanics one on landing and the other exploding totaling like 2.0 ability power.
Can you make a counterpart of this video for high elo/pro play?
As a main Mundo in D4 was impossible to climb even having a perfect gameplay the only strat that seems to work is similar to a Int Sion without dying, splitpushing bot-top and ending with a good tp backdoor
Personally, I'm just mad that maiden doesn't scale with ap. I would love to do ap yorick
You are like Core-A but for league, love your content.
Never knew I’ll hear megaman starforce ost on a league video!!!
Well put
As someone who will grab Soraka any chance I get on ARAM I feel this.
People ignore me way too long, trying to kill the damage dealers and such. By the time they realize why its so hard to kill those targets and swap to me I'm almost as unkillable as a tank and vomiting out heals so fast its insane.
It's time that i start to pray for a Morgana video!
Casue it dosent seem like there won't be any without heavenly help
I'm a multiseason GM/chall toplaner and I have some criticism on your over all very good video.
The noobstomper champions you mentioned can for tht most part also be good in high elo - they are just not very good blind picks for the most part. A champion like Nasus, Kayle or Illaoi can totally take over the game when being picked in the correct spots without relying on the opponents lack of knowledge, the key difference is that they are much less blindpick able than meta staples.
Yes have you seen LZ vs FNC from Worlds 2017?LZ picked Nasus vs Maokai last pick with a Galio on the Nasus team and he just farmed up and won the game(game ended in 19 min with a dancing rift herald).
I still remember when I first started league with my friend who knew how the game works I picked Sett into Nasus and got kinda bullied but still managed to play well then the Nasus started destroying everyone and my friend asked how did the Nasus get that many stacks I deadass asked "what stacks" it was so funny looking back at it xD
the fact that ive never known that meta was an acronym until the beginning of this video is so crazy
OMG IS THAT THE MEGA MAN STARFORCE 2 POST GAME THEME?
i love it down in silver
its a super chill expierience, no pressure, just fun league. And you can play whatever you want and wont get punished for it. Yes your teammates are stupid as hell but thats also part of the fun
5:23 I remember playing nasus jg, I said I would not gank and they didn't care, but the thing was I got around 1K at min 20, The game wasn't that decided until a TF appear close in the jg and I think I could get some +12, After I Deleted the supp and adc in 1 Q, it was an instant surrender couldn't even kill the other 3 guys
Btw: this happen when conqueror used to give real damage
Sure nig
As someone who mains or plays half the champs you talked about, i agree on everything said here
You could make a videa about riot experiment with "endless" ultimates for Olaf and Swain. I feel like for Swain it was one big flop.
Swains ult change was a big w not flop
Nah that was the coolest thing they've done for him ( i'm not a swain main)
He kinda has a video about "steroid ultimates" and I think he mentions Swain and Olaf.
Swain is cool. Olaf is more annoying than anything
what do you mean it was a big flop? it's first iteration makes it that if you use the second part of the ult, it ends immediately! i don't see how the ability continuing after the ult's burst is a flop
As a Malzahar main I can confirm that Space AIDS falls apart if someone’s aware of the cure
How can you forget about SWAIN in the botlane?
For top lane I'd add Teemo. I've had literal years of experience playing in low ELO. Many people there don't realize just how fast you can kite them, how useless you become when you blind them, how much damage you can do be it with attack speed, pure AP or damage over time, and game knowledge affects a TON not just in those, but in making invisibility plays, shroom placement & mechanics (bouncing shrooms, shroom carry cap), and just how flexible and adaptale he is - you could play in any role, with any build, and any playstyle.
another huge factor in low elo is that people dont retaliate trade. thats why champs like malz are so opressive. a lot of players just run away when they get hit, or they all in. there is no back and forth trading, just all in or nothing. This is one of the biggest reasons why botlane is in low elo in solo q so frustrating because you often have to trade 1v2 or your supp/adc randomly goes all in. The other part in high elo is that if you outplay them, they often get so tilted and just leave, this is rarer in lower elo in my opinion. since in higher elo they often have more self proud of their skill
I just hate fucking yi man, cuz he makes me actually have to play properly to win the game, like ong why can i not just take the game to my pace or at least slow, yi makes me have to go more aggresive, direct my team to contest shit, build leads, and end the game early because of that single champ, not only that his presence alones scares the team from making mistakes such as wasting spells and such cuz the yi can take that to their advantage and easily sweep us if we are not near each other
And don't get me started when ur team doesnt have point and click cc or hard cc
as a low elo player, riven in lane is a noobstomper
yi is obviously missing in jungle, while fiddle isnt noobstomper, he is just strong as a champion
Riven is hard countered in low by too many champs, and you have to be amazing mechanically to make it work, so I wouldn't add her to the list
@@mathewperryfan garen and Rene if you don't know how to play against, but many ppl don't understand her strength and allow you to deal damage easily, so you get easy lane most of the time, especially if you play into some yasuo
Knowing what to do against Fiddle does make their job harder, but its not necessarily a hard counter.
I am here to defend Susan. He definitely has the ability to to do well in the higher ranks too that solely depends on the player himself
It's funny. I'm silver, and all my friends are diamond, and I feed on almost every champ when I play with them except Susan. Even my friends don't realize that Nasus's strongest point is mid game and they're low to mid diamond (although none are top mains either).
That could be said for any champ. The person piloting would ALWAYS make them better.
@@DarkDodgers true
Nah there is too much damage in the game for susan to sustain, when his ults wear off he is a super minion lategame even if you are Faker
As someone who mained nasus for a long time playing around your ult is a key point in knowing how to play nasus. especially since late game his ult is on like a 30 second cooldown.@@lowceyn2875
Veygar is a nice example. It's a champ that harshly punishes long matches and misspositionings. But high elo players know well how to stop that thing
Veigar was perfectly fine in high ELO when he was building RoA, seraphs, dead man's. Just out of the meta rn after the nerfd
@@droid5785 not really. Dude has agood winrate in every elo rn
When i was gold in season 3 i hated Veigar's E.
Now im master tier and i still hate that stupid spell. Its so bs. Especially in teamfights.
Close your mouth. High ELO players do the same. No difference
@@MiximumDennis I dont have to open my mouth to type a youtube comment. Wow you sound like such a nice guy.
2:09 didn't see a yorick image, guess he's jus that forgotten
megaman starforce music in a vars video? yeah thats a subscribe
After years and years of league, peaking in d3, i still struggle against nasus. If he falls behind he just chills under tower literally waiting for passive gold to get him enough for frozen heart or whatever defensive cheap item he needs and then stat checks you for no reason. Ofc as soon as he faces some cc and more than 1 opponent its over for him but in a 1v1 i cant match him with ad lane bullies. Top is not my main role and i rarley see nasus being picked which might contribute a whole lot to that but damn…
No Yi shout out? Thought he’d be the poster child
No Pyke in support is wild. I've seen pykes go 20+ kills in low elo countless times.
Yeah that they didn’t include pyke and shaco is weird. Both of them are terrible at high elo
I love breaking pykes ankles with my jukes it be so satisfying to watch him
As a pisslow inhabitor myself that hasn't engaged in ranked for any reason outside of climbing to gold 4 with Volibear in like a week or two for the season 12 Victorious skin, I can say confidently that literally nobody has any idea how to fight Nasus down here, like the amount of times i've gone into a poke auto attacking champ like Teemo or Kennen that the opponent thought would be a good matchup because they can "abuse Nasus' weak early game" only for me to completely out sustain their poke and watch as they mindleslly push their wave into my tower then underestimate and get run down the second I get a few stacks Sheen or Ionians and Level 6 is crazy.
Yeah, blind ain't gonna save a teemo against a fully stacked nasus 😂😂😂
I'm glad pubstompers exists, because they can icentivice to either counter the trick, but in general learn about them. I used to get stomped by Yi and Renekton, but later on I have understood their kits better.
Also even though it pains me, Yorick is god in low elo but its harder to be shovel seller in higher ones :( but I'm glad my record of 1st tower (6:30) was with Yorick during his fresh rework times and abusing the lack of knowledge of him :D
Zzrot it also exist, so that is also why it was so quick, I remember enemy mid/bot going "How the fck yorick has destroyed 1st tower" I just replied "wanna buy shovel" :D
2:26 min.: What is with Ashe 4 ADC? She is also Simple af. And Panteon for Support. Midlane is Annie missing and Rell 4 support in my eyes.
10:25 I don't counterjungle because
1. Its my least-played role and I hate it
2. Counterjungling seems extremely rude to me
Based
Me too haha😂. My supp will ping me to take enemy red buff sometimes (when I’m playing red side) and I’m always like… r u sure?!
Counter jungling never even crossed my mind until I got early game CJ’d by the enemy jungle
thats how i got from silver to plat in short time i just played soraka and noticed enemies would not target me at all they would attempt to kill my ally that i bring to full health in 1 sec this also worked with yuumi before rework people never paid respect over the amount of heal
And omg also like I’m plat and I play regulars with my bf who’s bronze and I play soraka and omg like those people do not know how to stop healing with heal cut items like crazy how many times I have to tel the enemy team to buy Heal cut items for me at the end of the game cuz they just let me fully heal without getting anything to stop me. it’s just crazy to me That they don’t buy heal cut items. Cuz as soon as I see a soraka I’m rushing the 800g heal cut item to stop her from healing so much.
Noob stompers as a top main is how I determine whether I’m truly good enough to climb. When I was in iron earlier this year I got demolished every game against Yorick and Nasus. Now I never lose lane to a Yorick and I can even beat Illaoi 1v1 in lane on a champ like renekton or Jax some of the time. Once I learned how to beat them, it’s not a coincidence I got gold
Certainly helps that Jax is one of Yorick's hardest counters, terrible into Illaoi though.
My entire champ pool from my last ranked adventure is in this video, can confirm Yorick is MUCH harder to cheese wins with once ppl start punishing your split, If your team cant win the 4v4 and your off splitting and the enemy team gets a baron its game over
That's why you split push with maiden while capturing objectives and play defensively during team fights. Get Serylda's and Eclipse too.
@@SahilP2648 Im on that but some times its really hard especially because ppl tend to deny you ghouls if you try to group while maiden is pushing the side lane, and trying to outperform an enemy top in a teamfight with no ghouls is daunting but you can get alot done if the fight goes even or you manage to survive and the loss's arent too severe, but again that is a best case scenario all things concidered
I have a few friends that always struggle with this champions, I always tell them to learn how to play Jax, Camille, Fiora or Gwen, those are champions that can win lane, but they rather spend their currency changing their name every 2 weeks instead. Most players simply don’t care
Could you do a video about Qiyana?
I think on bottom you could add Twitch. It's extremely stupid how champion gets ult/bork and just run down people which are clueless he will just invis rush them.
I am nasus main and in lower Elo he works well, as every late game champ, because people don't finish games fast, so you have time to scale and u can make absurd comebacks
I think noob stompers are under rated because given the idea that most veteran players know how to handle champs that are on that list it's both good info since if an advanced player know the right info they can easily use it to there advantage and use the knowledge gap to get kills or warn newer players about how they may see those noob stomper champs as threats and give them a warning on how to adequately dispatch those types of champs
Great video!
Now we need an anti-noobstomper
Surprised you didn't mention Brand