Used this tonight at Rivers Casino in Rosemont IL. Good for $830 profit at a $10 and $15 table. Absolutely love this strategy. I’ve learned a ton from you…
I like it, I've adjusted to move my odds to the highest expected number (i.e. move the odds from the 10 to the 8 and leave 10 at no odds). Keep em' coming Jeremy these videos are great and I'm up to 4 strategies I like and alternate between.
I have never heard of this strategy a day in my life, but I like it. The strategy doesn’t carry as big of a risk as my strategy so I’m inclined to give it a try one of these days. It basically works out very well if you have a long roll while never hitting a point.
And also it's great for those super short rolls when a number gets established and then wiped out immediately by red or 11 winning on the coming out. Lots of 2s and 3s help too on the new shooter, I really like this one. I hedge it a bit further with a small 1 on all the hard ways, and I parlay it with regression if it hits and leave something up on it.
ive played this strategy now in a sim for a few days.. its working great.. only heavy draw down is when you hit the point and then a 7 right away... otherwise every session was up. largest draw down was about $400.00. largest roll was over $650 on a $10.00 table as the video showed.. alwasy took max odds on the pass line
Not gonna lie, I really think this has great potential. If the dice cooperate, you can make some serious money with this. I'm gonna roll this out a few times and see how it plays out.
@@ColorUp I was thinking the same thing! Maybe when a Come bet wins and comes down, use the winning to place that number at least until your next Come bet goes back up, or something like that.
I'd watch a lot of your videos and I think this is the best strategy with a lot of action with little risk and potential to win more. I will play this strategy the next time I go to the casino. Thanks!
Oh My Goodness! Yesterday, I was finally able to take this strategy to the Beau. I'm impressed and so were about a dozen players that were watching me. Damn son, I looked like I knew what I was doing. I've never been a Dark Side player, because I'm such a damn Optimist, but this works. I don't believe I was just having a good day. Thanks.
Love new strats; thanks. Met a new player at the tables this weekend. Had a blast teaching them the basics and won money for both of us! Recommended them to this channel bc it's the best! Thanks for all the content.
Excited to watch this strategy. It’s the reason I found your channel several years ago. Searching for someone else that tested it. I believe he called it a pyramid or something originally. The point sevens are brutal if they keep happening, but for the most part it keeps you treading water until you get a good number on your dark bet while the other numbers are hitting.
I don't have a big bank roll, so I adjusted for online play. $5 Don't Pass, $10 Come (Even the first one), Odds at $15 for the first two numbers and the don't pass bar. After two sessions I am up $137. Started at $128. To be fair, I did place of couple 12 and 11 side bets that hit the first session.
I have been working like a maniac and may have missed a video or two, so I have to say I miss that sweet sound of the dice hitting the table! This strategy seems to have something to it. It has some potential. Anyway, great to see you are still making quality vids and putting strats to the ultimate test in front of our eyes!
Thanks Jeremy for another great video….and thanks again for the tip checking out Downtown Grand Casino for $5 Craps table. We loved the dealers there. Over the 4 days I came out about $400 ahead. I usually do a 3 point molly and throw my dollar chips for hi-low bet on a come out roll.
i've used this strategy many times and made some very decent profits off of it! i like it because it really takes a few rolls to completely wipe you out. sometimes if i'm up i like to lay max odds right out the gate if the point is a 4 or 10 just to spice things up a bit
I used to play this strategy when you first did it a couple years ago. Was a little different though for the come and odds. I loved it at first then after awhile players literally would roll points then 7 on come out and kill me. Consistently through the years lol. Still my favorite strategy though, just dont play it much anymore. I kind of like this new version might have to try it up at Atlantis this weekend.
For those noobs, like me, watching @20:40 is when this strategy shows its softest part of its belly. A 7 would cost >$100; pretty much the max that this strategy would have on the table if playing conservatively.
I’ve been playing this strategy in an app, and I find that a huge weak point is when a point hits and you have 3 come bets exposed during the come out. That seems like a “hold your breath” moment in practice
Hey Color Up, Just found your channel last week, and I love the content. I"m usually a blackjack player but wanted to expand my luck to other table games and craps was the only game i've never tried, Watching your channel gave me a push to try it out. I'll be in Vegas at the end of April and give some of these strategies a try. Also taking the Craps/Dice class at Casino quest first, so hoping that helps. I did a search online for craps tables in vegas that are at $5/10/15/25 tables so I can have an idea where to go.
Similar to how i play as a grinder strat. I like to play 3x table min on the dont normally 45 on 15 table and then i play up to 2 come bets 15 each. Then just wait till something hits. I normally double my money but its definitely a gringer strat not gonna win tons.
@@jimklemens5018 you can if the number hits and you are playing at the $600 level. Gotta have a big big bankroll though. I believe its called the money bucket strategy
@@phillipharris9845 If you make a Place bet on the point, you are taking away the value of a 7 rolling. It would be smarter to just leave a $600 Don't Pass bet play out naturally.
As presented, the risk hitting the Don't point - especially with 2 or more Come bets out - is disproportionate to the gains from hitting the come bet numbers before the 7 appears. A more conservative approach - that still gives lots of action - is to make Come bets of 1/3 of the Don't. Every Come bet established gets 1x odds. After a 2nd Come bet is established, put 2x odds on the Don't. Let it play out, hopefully hitting lots of come #'s.....but far less exposure in the event of the dreaded Don't point hitting.
I really like this system. Seems tricky with $15 or $25 tables. A lot of modifications needed for the odds bets. 3 units on a $15 table doesn't easily work for 5/9 or 6/8. Same problem with $25 table on 5/9. If I can get $10 tables, I definitely want to try this.
I have been practicing this strategy at home to try out on my next visit to the casino. I have been having good luck with it so far. I did try one variation that seems to be working ok but I do not understand the odds anbd payouts well enough to really know if it is a good idea. Intead of waiting until I have two numbers with $30 odds each to put $60 lay on the don't pass, I put $30 after the the first number then another $30 after the second. Do you see any downside with that? Love you videos. I leaned a lot.
Just like any strat out there, pitfalls exist. Avoid the 2, 3, 4, 10, 12 in rolls 2-5 and it's not too bad. But boy oh boy can this one blow up in your face quickly. Love, love, love this if the table is consistently rolling about average (8, 9 rolls per shooter) and there are ANY repeaters. Am I missing anything here?
Would you maybe recommend when you get to the point where you take odds on the 2nd come bet, let's say on the 10 for $30, and then you're $20 in the come for the 3rd and last come bet; when established as a 6 or 8, moving the $30 odds to those numbers and leaving the 10 as the $20 come bet with no odds?
Would this be a good strategy to play for a while and earn comps? I have been watching your video and I think I’m almost ready for a live craps table! Life long poker and blackjack player but it’s getting old.
Should be good for comps, problem is most places do a pretty bad job of tracking play properly. Be sure to ask how they are rating you if your are concerned with comps.
Craps is a really fun game just not at $15 or $25.I could go to twin Rivers in Rhode Island if I wanted to die of secondhand smoke. That and the place is dated so it really looks terrible. That whole casino sucks. Foxwoods was ok but after they added the other two casinos it got so big that there really isn't a fun playing environment left .
Always appreciate the continent and the diversity of what you offer. Having played for years in the long run I can tell you Come bets are dumb bets. There is a very good reason that the casino makes the Come and the Field so large and enticing, that is where they want you to place your money. Craps is a hard enough game without placing bets that have to hit twice to get paid. If your object is to stay at the table and playing to “not lose as much”these kinds of strategies are OK. If however you’re “playing to win” you’re not going to beat the house playing this strategy.
I play 4 to 5 days a week and make a very good supplemental retirement living at it. It can be done. With the exception of the Covid year six figures each of the last four. Well I may not be Tony Leo, in Maryland I am known and respected. There are others here such as my friend Jeff who rival or exceed Tony. We play quietly we don’t have casino comp cards and we stay under the radar. As a matter fact this is the most exposure I’ve ever allowed myself. Only because I really enjoy your TH-cam channel. The secret is take the math away from the house as much as possible, don’t get greedy and stay disciplined. Someone once said pigs get fed but hogs get slaughtered. Please know that I enjoy and respect your channel this is just a friendly exchange. But yes it can be done. There are those of us who are living proof. The average person is too impulsive, doesn’t take the time to educate themselves about the game and is undisciplined. The casino counts on that.
I mean no disrespect, but a simple log book of your play over years would prove everything. No one ever has or shows that. I would say most people “think” they are long term winners and are not. Again, you may very well be up profit over last couple years, but I challenge you…track accurate wins and losses, track expenses such as travel, meals etc. find the accurate numbers of your business. Appreciate you watching!
I do have logs from back in the day. When I found my system I stop keeping them there was absolutely no need. As far as traveling expenses I live 35 minutes from three major casinos in Maryland they are no significant expenses. I go early make my goal and leave so meals, travel, rooms are not an issue. As I say the dealers know me the players know me as such I have no need to prove anything to anybody. Again no disrespect intended. It is a cash transaction that never sees my bank account. I allow myself four sets of 10 shooters at the end of that I go home with whatever profits I have. Seldom and I mean seldom do I leave without significant house monies. The reason being I play a very conservative strategy. I don’t turn on my bets on the come out and I don’t turn them on till after the first role. This way in the course of 10 shooters I avoid on average 2 to 4 outs. Since I am playing 140 across to start and pressing that saves me $500 to $800 per day that I don’t have to make up. After that I take two hits of $50 each and get out of the way. As Mel says go down the felt. I will later in the day gamble a little more and stay up for 3 to 4 hits sometimes. Many people regard this as very boring, not exciting, and it’s not. I am there to make money, that is my sole goal. You published a strategy months ago that showed by taking two hits and getting out of the way you make more money than if you stay in for that one big roll. I discovered that years ago. I hear what you’re saying about everybody makes claims. But the three of us who play regular together at Hollywood casino in Charlestown West Virginia, MGM national harbor in Maryland Live know each other and we are known. I did recently moved to Florida were the only craps are bubble crabs at hard rock Hollywood I’m told. I haven’t been there yet but I will soon be going. I enjoy your channel I enjoy your professionalism and I’m proud to be a member of the club. My results speak for themselves as I say I’m known in Maryland and have no need to prove anything to anybody. I just moved to Florida and paid cash for a condo and a new car. Enough said. No disrespect intended quite the opposite. What I do have at home and I will have to try and find since not everything is unpacked yet, our practice sheets where I use ricks bubble craps to practice against. The system is the same the probabilities are all the same and the results are the same. When and if I can find those I’ll share them with you. But quite honestly Jeremy the proof is in the pudding.
You have to understand my skepticism. Ive gotten hundreds of claims sent to me saying they are all beating the casinos. And yet the casinos still are breaking profit records. And you are right, no need to prove anything to me or anyone else. If you are making money, that’s great. I have a question though, if we’ll known I. The area, why are you not backed off or trespassed? card counters even when not winning are told to leave, just because of potential damage they can do. You are know, and I know you say you take modest wins, but over time even that they would refuse you service. Casinos aren’t going to allow you and your couple friends to win consistently?
Hey Jeremy, at 16:12 when you're come bet traveled to the 8, any reason why you can't move your odds from the 10 back over to the 8 since it's more probable.. in this case if would have you would have been paid another win when the 8 hit back to back. THEN it happened again. Would have been another win with odds Just curious.
You can, and easy decision after you see the rolls, but while more ways to roll 8, it pays true, so if 10 rolls it pays more because less ways to roll. I just leave bets in situations like that because you just never know.
No you cannot increase a don't pass bet, once its established the player had advantage over casino, so they won't let you increase. Only way to get more money bet on it is by laying odds.
You can increase your Don't Pass bet before the come out roll. You can increase a Pass bet at any time, but if the point is already established, you should add an Odds bet instead.
So just for the record (and I'm still a novice), if you bet the Don't Pass Line, you aren't going to be making many friends at the table. Is that true? Because I've kind of ignored all strategies that use it as to not piss off anyone haha. Maybe I can use this at the electronic craps stations :)
Well I’d say 90% of players avoid dont pass. Superstitious players think it’s a bet against them, it is not, you are both trying to beat casino. Many don’t understand this, so yes, typically hard to make friends that way.
I used to play this strategy every time I went. Started getting more aggressive with higher/risk and higher reward, but I would play this and would get referred to by other players as a dont player lol. Even though I had 75% of my bets pulling for the shooter.
On a table that allows odds of 3x4x5x odds. The maximum but would be 6x your line bet. So if $10 don’t pass, you could lay odds of $60. If you want to lay more in odds you’d have to make a bigger dont pass bet. Or play at table with higher odds.
@@ColorUp after this question I went and watched your video on lay odds. Then I checked the Crapsee preferences, and this table has a three times odds flat. So I increase the initial bet to $20 in order to achieve the $60 late hours.
Strategy seems good. But if nothing hits on those first 3-4 rolls, you're in for 180 with only a $40 hedge if a 7 rolls. That's almost half your starting bankroll. That's a ton of money...
You have $180 on the table but if the seven hits you get $110 back ($10 don't bet returned, plus $60 odds bet returned plus $40 winnings). So, if no number repeats, you get worst case $70 loss if the point was 4 or 10; $60 loss on 5,9: and $50 loss if the point was 6,8. Far worse is getting your bets all on the felt then hitting the point followed by a come out 7. That would be $70 loss on making the point and a $60 loss on the come out seven. Total $130 loss and the same shooter still on his hot roll! Well, hot for everyone except you.
@@aebalc I'm not sure your math is right. If you don't and a 4 rolls, and you follow the strategy and have 3 comes with odds and a 7 hits on your $10 don't, $60 odds, you're getting $40 back and losing everything else. So even with the "2.5" points, that's a $70 loss. Not sure why you think your odds get returned to you if the point is still on, but ok
@@bryantfuehrer2095 We agree it is a $70 loss. The way I read your post it sounded like you meant $180 out and only $40 back was a $140 loss which is nearly half your buy-in.
I was excited thinking you were using my strategy that I submitted when you started with the 3,2,1 bit but it’s very different lol. If you want high action low risk for long play time check out my submission and you won’t be disappointed. Love the content and I’ve learned a lot from you
I submitted it to his dice advice forum so if he makes a video on it then you will be able to see it in action but it’s far too much to explain in a comment.
Lmao. Any strategy will work if the dice “cooperate.”😂 it’s gambling. I like that you said you need to keep it low risk, but it looks like you’re making a strategy with countless bets. Place the 6 and 8 and leave it be, viewers. If you want to play the smartest, play the don’t and leave it be.
@@ColorUp True. Sometimes though, I wish you'd edit in a (clearly labeled as unrealistic) "pretty good luck" roll, just to see what a streak with a certain strategy might look like.
@@mrgraff but don’t you find it annoying when they say something like, then let’s say a 10 hits, you do this, then if an 8 hits you do this. After doing that 5 or 6 times they will say then have thousands in profit. Yeah, but you got a 1 in 3,000 chance of that happening, lol
@@marknoble5495 Sure, that’s why I want it labeled as optimal so you know it’s not likely. But the reason I’d still want to see it is to know why anybody would even consider the strategy.
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Used this tonight at Rivers Casino in Rosemont IL. Good for $830 profit at a $10 and $15 table. Absolutely love this strategy. I’ve learned a ton from you…
I like it, I've adjusted to move my odds to the highest expected number (i.e. move the odds from the 10 to the 8 and leave 10 at no odds). Keep em' coming Jeremy these videos are great and I'm up to 4 strategies I like and alternate between.
tools in your gambling toolbelt, nice!
Have played this strategy on $1 and $5 dollar tables back in the day for comps when I was a young starving dealer.
I have never heard of this strategy a day in my life, but I like it. The strategy doesn’t carry as big of a risk as my strategy so I’m inclined to give it a try one of these days. It basically works out very well if you have a long roll while never hitting a point.
And also it's great for those super short rolls when a number gets established and then wiped out immediately by red or 11 winning on the coming out. Lots of 2s and 3s help too on the new shooter, I really like this one. I hedge it a bit further with a small 1 on all the hard ways, and I parlay it with regression if it hits and leave something up on it.
ive played this strategy now in a sim for a few days.. its working great.. only heavy draw down is when you hit the point and then a 7 right away... otherwise every session was up. largest draw down was about $400.00. largest roll was over $650 on a $10.00 table as the video showed.. alwasy took max odds on the pass line
Not gonna lie, I really think this has great potential. If the dice cooperate, you can make some serious money with this. I'm gonna roll this out a few times and see how it plays out.
Experiment with place bets might be good
@@ColorUp I was thinking the same thing! Maybe when a Come bet wins and comes down, use the winning to place that number at least until your next Come bet goes back up, or something like that.
Lol... "If the dice cooperate".....
I'd watch a lot of your videos and I think this is the best strategy with a lot of action with little risk and potential to win more. I will play this strategy the next time I go to the casino. Thanks!
I love the strategy I have used it for years
Oh My Goodness! Yesterday, I was finally able to take this strategy to the Beau. I'm impressed and so were about a dozen players that were watching me. Damn son, I looked like I knew what I was doing. I've never been a Dark Side player, because I'm such a damn Optimist, but this works. I don't believe I was just having a good day. Thanks.
Awesome to hear. No strategy works all the time, but glad you had good time
@@ColorUp That's so true! I've done a bit of refining to make it my own. I'll get back to you.
Love new strats; thanks. Met a new player at the tables this weekend. Had a blast teaching them the basics and won money for both of us! Recommended them to this channel bc it's the best! Thanks for all the content.
appreciate that!
Excited to watch this strategy. It’s the reason I found your channel several years ago. Searching for someone else that tested it. I believe he called it a pyramid or something originally. The point sevens are brutal if they keep happening, but for the most part it keeps you treading water until you get a good number on your dark bet while the other numbers are hitting.
Jeremy, your observation about Hybrid vs Hedge was excellent.
Just my thoughts on it
I don't have a big bank roll, so I adjusted for online play. $5 Don't Pass, $10 Come (Even the first one), Odds at $15 for the first two numbers and the don't pass bar. After two sessions I am up $137. Started at $128. To be fair, I did place of couple 12 and 11 side bets that hit the first session.
I like the hybrid concept for risk management. I will consider laying the 4 or 10 if the point is 6 or 8, though. I'm liking your poker channel, too.
I have been working like a maniac and may have missed a video or two, so I have to say I miss that sweet sound of the dice hitting the table! This strategy seems to have something to it. It has some potential. Anyway, great to see you are still making quality vids and putting strats to the ultimate test in front of our eyes!
Appreciate you watching!
I like this even better than the 3-point Molly! Please revisit and do a comparison video one of these days 🙏🏼
Thanks Jeremy for another great video….and thanks again for the tip checking out Downtown Grand Casino for $5 Craps table. We loved the dealers there. Over the 4 days I came out about $400 ahead. I usually do a 3 point molly and throw my dollar chips for hi-low bet on a come out roll.
Tried this out on crapsee last night. It worked pretty well, you just have to not get overly aggressive with the odds.
i've used this strategy many times and made some very decent profits off of it! i like it because it really takes a few rolls to completely wipe you out. sometimes if i'm up i like to lay max odds right out the gate if the point is a 4 or 10 just to spice things up a bit
Interesting. I lost pretty good on your favorite strategy yesterday. But I did well on 2 or 3 shooters. I like this one for action vs risk
I used to play this strategy when you first did it a couple years ago. Was a little different though for the come and odds. I loved it at first then after awhile players literally would roll points then 7 on come out and kill me. Consistently through the years lol. Still my favorite strategy though, just dont play it much anymore. I kind of like this new version might have to try it up at Atlantis this weekend.
As a 3 month new dice dealer, I remember finding your channel back in August right before I started class
Congrats on the dealer gig. Maybe I’ll see you at the tables one day
@@ColorUp Dice is the first game I ever learned.
@@ColorUp I deal in Oklahoma. I have a guest who plays in Colorado. Black Hawk I think
This is an awesome system. Playing tomorrow!
For those noobs, like me, watching @20:40 is when this strategy shows its softest part of its belly. A 7 would cost >$100; pretty much the max that this strategy would have on the table if playing conservatively.
I have basically been playing basically this exact strategy for years. Never seen others play it so I guess someone else thinks like me.
I like a fun hybrid strategy and look forward to trying this!
I love hybrid style, but I would do Place bets instead of Come bets. Just easier for me.
did this but started w/ 6 & 8 place bets and don’t pass, place a come bet for the first few roles to hedge against the early 7 then stop the come bets
Kinda new to craps. Love the videos! Going to try this strategy out next weekend!
This one’s kinda complicated for a new player.
Great Video Jeremy! I like this Strat a lot. Has some great potential! Thank you for this!
Tweak it and make better 👍🏻
played this strategy last nice...love it!
I’ve been playing this strategy in an app, and I find that a huge weak point is when a point hits and you have 3 come bets exposed during the come out. That seems like a “hold your breath” moment in practice
It is. When you have those 3 exposed and going back up on the dont it sucks when it becomes a pattern.
Yep, every strategy has a weak point
At this point, you can lay some or all of your "7-out exposure" amount against two numbers you choose - hoping it doesn't hit THOSE numbers!
How would you adjust this to a $25 table the Casino I am going to next week only has $25 and up tables?
Hey Color Up, Just found your channel last week, and I love the content. I"m usually a blackjack player but wanted to expand my luck to other table games and craps was the only game i've never tried, Watching your channel gave me a push to try it out. I'll be in Vegas at the end of April and give some of these strategies a try. Also taking the Craps/Dice class at Casino quest first, so hoping that helps. I did a search online for craps tables in vegas that are at $5/10/15/25 tables so I can have an idea where to go.
Nice! It’s a great game. Casino quest is great for getting comfortable and your hands on the game. Have a great time in Vegas!
Might try this at the Downtown Grand this weekend, hope to see you there!!
I plan to be at Casino Quest, not sure I can make downtown grand, but I'll try
@@ColorUp of course we can try it out at CQ!
Awesome… will be practicing this system
You have to stay alert with this one. Lot of moving parts.
I used this in vegas did great .
Similar to how i play as a grinder strat. I like to play 3x table min on the dont normally 45 on 15 table and then i play up to 2 come bets 15 each. Then just wait till something hits. I normally double my money but its definitely a gringer strat not gonna win tons.
I'm gonna try this next time!
One way to hedge is to cover the don't with an EQUAL place bet that way if the number does hit you profit and if it 7s out you break even/push
You can't make any money if you have a Don't Pass bet and then make an equal Place bet on the point.
@@jimklemens5018 you can if the number hits and you are playing at the $600 level. Gotta have a big big bankroll though. I believe its called the money bucket strategy
@@phillipharris9845 If you make a Place bet on the point, you are taking away the value of a 7 rolling.
It would be smarter to just leave a $600 Don't Pass bet play out naturally.
I like this one a lot Jeremy
It’s interesting
Love these videos. I been trying to find one you made for us $15 table guys on the eat coast - it used a few hop bets. Can you point me to that video?
Hmm, sorry, don’t recall
As presented, the risk hitting the Don't point - especially with 2 or more Come bets out - is disproportionate to the gains from hitting the come bet numbers before the 7 appears.
A more conservative approach - that still gives lots of action - is to make Come bets of 1/3 of the Don't. Every Come bet established gets 1x odds. After a 2nd Come bet is established, put 2x odds on the Don't. Let it play out, hopefully hitting lots of come #'s.....but far less exposure in the event of the dreaded Don't point hitting.
Only 2 Come bets out at a time - not 3.
I really like this system. Seems tricky with $15 or $25 tables. A lot of modifications needed for the odds bets. 3 units on a $15 table doesn't easily work for 5/9 or 6/8. Same problem with $25 table on 5/9. If I can get $10 tables, I definitely want to try this.
yeah, just avoid those 15 and 25 😉
Agreed. Unfortunately almost all casinos in the NY/NJ are $15 min. Very rare to see $10 tables anymore.
I have been practicing this strategy at home to try out on my next visit to the casino. I have been having good luck with it so far. I did try one variation that seems to be working ok but I do not understand the odds anbd payouts well enough to really know if it is a good idea. Intead of waiting until I have two numbers with $30 odds each to put $60 lay on the don't pass, I put $30 after the the first number then another $30 after the second. Do you see any downside with that? Love you videos. I leaned a lot.
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Can this strategy be applied on the Roll To Win craps table?
Yep
Just like any strat out there, pitfalls exist. Avoid the 2, 3, 4, 10, 12 in rolls 2-5 and it's not too bad. But boy oh boy can this one blow up in your face quickly.
Love, love, love this if the table is consistently rolling about average (8, 9 rolls per shooter) and there are ANY repeaters. Am I missing anything here?
sounds about right
435 + 6 = 436? (25:55)
Love the strategy though ❤
Would you maybe recommend when you get to the point where you take odds on the 2nd come bet, let's say on the 10 for $30, and then you're $20 in the come for the 3rd and last come bet; when established as a 6 or 8, moving the $30 odds to those numbers and leaving the 10 as the $20 come bet with no odds?
Certainly could, but I don’t know what number will roll. 6/8 more likely but 10 pays better so 🤷♂️
I like it,
Question : On the come out, Can you take out the odds on the numbers that came from the come box and then put them back after the come out roll?
By default the odds on a come bet are off and follow the puck being off
What about doubling on your come bet each time
give it a try
Would this be a good strategy to play for a while and earn comps? I have been watching your video and I think I’m almost ready for a live craps table! Life long poker and blackjack player but it’s getting old.
Should be good for comps, problem is most places do a pretty bad job of tracking play properly. Be sure to ask how they are rating you if your are concerned with comps.
Craps is a really fun game just not at $15 or $25.I could go to twin Rivers in Rhode Island if I wanted to die of secondhand smoke. That and the place is dated so it really looks terrible. That whole casino sucks. Foxwoods was ok but after they added the other two casinos it got so big that there really isn't a fun playing environment left .
Always appreciate the continent and the diversity of what you offer. Having played for years in the long run I can tell you Come bets are dumb bets. There is a very good reason that the casino makes the Come and the Field so large and enticing, that is where they want you to place your money. Craps is a hard enough game without placing bets that have to hit twice to get paid. If your object is to stay at the table and playing to “not lose as much”these kinds of strategies are OK. If however you’re “playing to win” you’re not going to beat the house playing this strategy.
Having played for years then you also know you are not going to beat the house anyway you play
I play 4 to 5 days a week and make a very good supplemental retirement living at it. It can be done. With the exception of the Covid year six figures each of the last four. Well I may not be Tony Leo, in Maryland I am known and respected. There are others here such as my friend Jeff who rival or exceed Tony. We play quietly we don’t have casino comp cards and we stay under the radar. As a matter fact this is the most exposure I’ve ever allowed myself. Only because I really enjoy your TH-cam channel.
The secret is take the math away from the house as much as possible, don’t get greedy and stay disciplined. Someone once said pigs get fed but hogs get slaughtered. Please know that I enjoy and respect your channel this is just a friendly exchange. But yes it can be done. There are those of us who are living proof. The average person is too impulsive, doesn’t take the time to educate themselves about the game and is undisciplined. The casino counts on that.
I mean no disrespect, but a simple log book of your play over years would prove everything. No one ever has or shows that. I would say most people “think” they are long term winners and are not. Again, you may very well be up profit over last couple years, but I challenge you…track accurate wins and losses, track expenses such as travel, meals etc. find the accurate numbers of your business. Appreciate you watching!
I do have logs from back in the day. When I found my system I stop keeping them there was absolutely no need. As far as traveling expenses I live 35 minutes from three major casinos in Maryland they are no significant expenses. I go early make my goal and leave so meals, travel, rooms are not an issue. As I say the dealers know me the players know me as such I have no need to prove anything to anybody. Again no disrespect intended. It is a cash transaction that never sees my bank account. I allow myself four sets of 10 shooters at the end of that I go home with whatever profits I have. Seldom and I mean seldom do I leave without significant house monies. The reason being I play a very conservative strategy. I don’t turn on my bets on the come out and I don’t turn them on till after the first role. This way in the course of 10 shooters I avoid on average 2 to 4 outs. Since I am playing 140 across to start and pressing that saves me $500 to $800 per day that I don’t have to make up. After that I take two hits of $50 each and get out of the way. As Mel says go down the felt. I will later in the day gamble a little more and stay up for 3 to 4 hits sometimes.
Many people regard this as very boring, not exciting, and it’s not. I am there to make money, that is my sole goal. You published a strategy months ago that showed by taking two hits and getting out of the way you make more money than if you stay in for that one big roll. I discovered that years ago. I hear what you’re saying about everybody makes claims. But the three of us who play regular together at Hollywood casino in Charlestown West Virginia, MGM national harbor in Maryland Live know each other and we are known. I did recently moved to Florida were the only craps are bubble crabs at hard rock Hollywood I’m told. I haven’t been there yet but I will soon be going. I enjoy your channel I enjoy your professionalism and I’m proud to be a member of the club. My results speak for themselves as I say I’m known in Maryland and have no need to prove anything to anybody. I just moved to Florida and paid cash for a condo and a new car. Enough said. No disrespect intended quite the opposite.
What I do have at home and I will have to try and find since not everything is unpacked yet, our practice sheets where I use ricks bubble craps to practice against. The system is the same the probabilities are all the same and the results are the same. When and if I can find those I’ll share them with you. But quite honestly Jeremy the proof is in the pudding.
You have to understand my skepticism. Ive gotten hundreds of claims sent to me saying they are all beating the casinos. And yet the casinos still are breaking profit records. And you are right, no need to prove anything to me or anyone else. If you are making money, that’s great. I have a question though, if we’ll known I. The area, why are you not backed off or trespassed? card counters even when not winning are told to leave, just because of potential damage they can do. You are know, and I know you say you take modest wins, but over time even that they would refuse you service. Casinos aren’t going to allow you and your couple friends to win consistently?
Hey Jeremy, at 16:12 when you're come bet traveled to the 8, any reason why you can't move your odds from the 10 back over to the 8 since it's more probable.. in this case if would have you would have been paid another win when the 8 hit back to back. THEN it happened again. Would have been another win with odds Just curious.
You can, and easy decision after you see the rolls, but while more ways to roll 8, it pays true, so if 10 rolls it pays more because less ways to roll. I just leave bets in situations like that because you just never know.
@@ColorUp thanks Jeremy. Appreciate ya my friend.
Not too bad
Hope i get to snag a set of those blues! ill keep refreshing the store. Would be awesome to get dice to go with my sub to the club =-)
Should go live around 2pm pst
I'm getting my ass kicked on ps4 craps but it's so much fun.. maybe this strategy will help.
Like all strats, sometimes they work and sometimes they dont
At the 1:35 mark Did he just say if you put $10 on the donts and $10 on the comeb you’ll win on both?
Correct, both win with roll of 7
Can you press the don’t pass line? Or do you have to lay odds to increase it?
No you cannot increase a don't pass bet, once its established the player had advantage over casino, so they won't let you increase. Only way to get more money bet on it is by laying odds.
@@ColorUp and to clarify the other end. You CAN press a PASS line bet, right?
You can increase your Don't Pass bet before the come out roll.
You can increase a Pass bet at any time, but if the point is already established, you should add an Odds bet instead.
Dice Con event details please. Can find it online. Thx!
Info is not public, For color up club members
Is there a link or website for Dicecon 2022?
Yes, but inside my club community. This year it’s for club members only
Where is your place on the strip?
I avoid the strip as much as possible
I meant dont you have a place somewhere you own?
No, I’m from Reno. I partner with Casino Quest a lot, maybe your thinking of them? They are located in fashion show mall on the strip.
So just for the record (and I'm still a novice), if you bet the Don't Pass Line, you aren't going to be making many friends at the table. Is that true? Because I've kind of ignored all strategies that use it as to not piss off anyone haha. Maybe I can use this at the electronic craps stations :)
Well I’d say 90% of players avoid dont pass. Superstitious players think it’s a bet against them, it is not, you are both trying to beat casino. Many don’t understand this, so yes, typically hard to make friends that way.
I used to play this strategy every time I went. Started getting more aggressive with higher/risk and higher reward, but I would play this and would get referred to by other players as a dont player lol. Even though I had 75% of my bets pulling for the shooter.
I almost always play the Don't Pass and make lots of friends at the table.
Crapsee limits lay odds to $45 on the $10 table. Is this a common limitation for table rules? That is too low to cover the bets.
On a table that allows odds of 3x4x5x odds. The maximum but would be 6x your line bet. So if $10 don’t pass, you could lay odds of $60. If you want to lay more in odds you’d have to make a bigger dont pass bet. Or play at table with higher odds.
@@ColorUp after this question I went and watched your video on lay odds. Then I checked the Crapsee preferences, and this table has a three times odds flat. So I increase the initial bet to $20 in order to achieve the $60 late hours.
Gave yourself an extra $5 coloring up. I like this strategy though.
Strategy seems good. But if nothing hits on those first 3-4 rolls, you're in for 180 with only a $40 hedge if a 7 rolls. That's almost half your starting bankroll. That's a ton of money...
I like to start with a $200 Don't Pass bet and $160 to $220 Inside Place bets, depending on the point.
Great point
You have $180 on the table but if the seven hits you get $110 back ($10 don't bet returned, plus $60 odds bet returned plus $40 winnings). So, if no number repeats, you get worst case $70 loss if the point was 4 or 10; $60 loss on 5,9: and $50 loss if the point was 6,8.
Far worse is getting your bets all on the felt then hitting the point followed by a come out 7. That would be $70 loss on making the point and a $60 loss on the come out seven. Total $130 loss and the same shooter still on his hot roll! Well, hot for everyone except you.
@@aebalc I'm not sure your math is right. If you don't and a 4 rolls, and you follow the strategy and have 3 comes with odds and a 7 hits on your $10 don't, $60 odds, you're getting $40 back and losing everything else. So even with the "2.5" points, that's a $70 loss. Not sure why you think your odds get returned to you if the point is still on, but ok
@@bryantfuehrer2095 We agree it is a $70 loss.
The way I read your post it sounded like you meant $180 out and only $40 back was a $140 loss which is nearly half your buy-in.
I thought he said "grope" ⚡⚡👀🗿
My friends would banned me if I place a Don't come bet out there!
Get new friends 😉
I was excited thinking you were using my strategy that I submitted when you started with the 3,2,1 bit but it’s very different lol. If you want high action low risk for long play time check out my submission and you won’t be disappointed. Love the content and I’ve learned a lot from you
Ok, have to look for it
Hi Victor, Can you send a link.
Brian
I submitted it to his dice advice forum so if he makes a video on it then you will be able to see it in action but it’s far too much to explain in a comment.
i just buy the 6 and 8 lol
Hopefully you mean place bet, you should never buy the 6/8. But that is a fantastic way to play actually. Simple and very good bets
@@ColorUp Yes place bets. I dont like losing on the come out, seems to happen alot for me.
Lmao. Any strategy will work if the dice “cooperate.”😂 it’s gambling. I like that you said you need to keep it low risk, but it looks like you’re making a strategy with countless bets. Place the 6 and 8 and leave it be, viewers. If you want to play the smartest, play the don’t and leave it be.
i love color ups videos but i gotta say he has the worst luck of any craps videos out there. it's almost like he is showing us what NOT to do.
Not a bad thing. Better than filming a bunch and only showing strategies winning
@@ColorUp True. Sometimes though, I wish you'd edit in a (clearly labeled as unrealistic) "pretty good luck" roll, just to see what a streak with a certain strategy might look like.
Hmm, I’ve never really considered before. A strategy showing optimal roll, just labeled as such. I’ll have to think on this but I might consider.
@@mrgraff but don’t you find it annoying when they say something like, then let’s say a 10 hits, you do this, then if an 8 hits you do this. After doing that 5 or 6 times they will say then have thousands in profit. Yeah, but you got a 1 in 3,000 chance of that happening, lol
@@marknoble5495 Sure, that’s why I want it labeled as optimal so you know it’s not likely. But the reason I’d still want to see it is to know why anybody would even consider the strategy.