this is the best set ever, nowadays Mango and Armada both play way more passively, they're just fucking going at it in this set, they're both soo aggressive
i think it's mostly because it was a faar different time in the metagame man you actually got rewarded back in the day for going the fuck off lol i believe this set was the end of the 2008 hyper-active ssbm era. personally i blame ppmd for the all the lameness apparent in today's play.
@thegreatsolar "An MC usually presents performers, speaks to the audience, and generally keeps the event moving. An MC may also tell jokes or anecdotes." Dude checks out. He's not commentating bro. He didn't talk about why a set was won, break down plays, etc. He kept the crowd hyped as an MC should. Regardless of that if you have the mic you can't be saying you want one person to win over the other. If you can't see why that's wrong you might want to enter some far away events.
Holy poop...I come back and watch this every once and a while and I still get chills every time. I'm an Armada fan myself, but I still respect Mango a ton. This is by far the best set I've ever watched, I don't think I'll ever see a matchup more exciting than these two. Too bad the commentators were completely biased and showed no knowledge whatsoever of the actual game.
Waffles is one of the best players in NorCal, and you are acting like he has no knowledge of the game lmao. And this was at a time when smash was very grassroots and every commentator was just a player they gave the mic, and those players are friends and fans and shit with each other, so of course he was biased.
@LethalXDSSBB to be more specific in the differences between high and over, over implies that a limit has been passed. High is simply a description of the current state compared to normal states. For instance if the speed limit was 25 and you were going 30, you are going over the speed limit, but you aren't going at a high speed relative to what we consider high speeds for a car.
Just the facts: Apex 2013 Melee results: The top eight placers main eight different characters and between them used ten different characters in the bracket at one point or another. Apex 2013 Brawl results: Four Metaknights in the top six. Herp. I have NO idea what you mean by some characters in Melee being "not even playable" in the high tier when a Peach player won everything for the last two years and we had a Doc (a mid tier) in the top six.
Thanks for uploading this. Looking way better than the live version thingy. Fuck sake, can't express how happy I am for Armada. He's been second soo many times now and finally makes it. Good set, good shit Armada. You too Mango.
@andrethefelix Another important thing to note is that Armada's percent damage remained intact at 22% as he comboed Mango to his death on his 3rd stock, which makes his comeback even more remarkable.
Mango's dice roll fell on Snake Eyes. Props to Armada, his greatest weapon above all others is his consistency. He doesn't falter even under the immense pressure. His hard work paid off in the best way in a very symbolic tournament. Mango I personally believe still is a "smarter" player (I use quotes because he makes reckless decisions but reads everyone better). He kind of made risky approaches and was repeatedly punished for doing ledge-to-stage Fox Phantasms- that could've shortened. GGs
a couple smart things from mango i noticed 1. armada wasnt used to tomahawk grab. 2. one of his last upsmashes he just stood there and let armada whiff fair for a standing upsmash. he got so used to armada typing his fairs early
Because that's how peaches play. Technical skill isn't all there is to the game, and being better at it doesn't automatically make you better. Like Dark, basically. Which isn't to say Armada doesn't have tech skill, because his peach moves like a fuckin whirlwind.
My goodness what a set o_O Mango's Fox is just ridiculous, a little more practice and he'll be able to recreate SuperDoodleMan's "Adventure" >_> Big congratulations to Armada for finally pulling it off in the States. It was a well-deserved victory and I think it was a Peach's first major tournament win (?). Long live Melee.
@ajpanton I'm surprised that you of all people would say that mango outplayed armada. You're giving armada basically no credit for winning the match and instead saying mango lost it. Armada outplayed mango thus the result
@BuIIetBiII I commented on Mango because that's what everyone was talking about, thus "adding my opinion". But if you want my opinion on Armada, here it is: I've seen him for as long as I've see Peaches. I've gotten used to it, and followed and sometimes been part of the development of his new techniques, so he can't really surprise me with anything. I can't even see what makes him so good, because all I see is a Peach that doesn't suck. His strength is being consistent with his high level play.
@AstrayChronicle Uhm, a lot of people speak to audiences. He had no part in keeping the event moving. He was commentating, not MCing. He was a color commentator, not a play by play commentator, which would probably just annoy the listeners.
I like the reference waffles makes to PC Chris during OC3 finals. Ive always thought that Mango is a more modern day technical fox but he has the same creativity and combo ability as PC did.
I was actually waiting to see your input. I just think that the 2-5 weeks before EVO would help. But like you said...somewhere before, being at the top is another level none of us can feel, so can't say much.
Just adding my opinion into the mix: I think Mango outplayed Armada most of the time, but he also outplayed himself a little. If he changes his playstyle so he's less likely to make mistakes, he may no longer "outplay" Armada. Basically he overclocked his CPU a little too high, but a less-crashing CPU will also perform worse. He needs to learn to dynamically adjust his speed so it's higher where a mistake won't lead to death and lower otherwise.
@ValxLar Pfft. Saying that Mango is too "Aggro" is dumb. Mango plays aggressively. He believes that is pays off more to be aggressive. He says so himself. If you're playing like hungrybox, you're waiting for the opponent to fuck up, if you're playing aggressively, you just have to not fuck up. Which he did on dreamland.
@LethalXDSSBB Not sure what you think I should leave out. "Clocking" sounds like you're measuring something. "Overclocking" is the general term for increasing the clock frequency of something, which can be done both "too high" and not.
I definitely wouldn't say FD is fairest stage. It puts a lot emphasis on pure combo ability and skews matchups in favor of which character has the better combos (hence, why people would always ban this stage again IC's, who have horrendously good chaingrabs). Also, the dude talking about Falco's recovery was talking about how Peach and Samus don't die off the sides as easily as they would on another stage like Yoshi's story. FD is a really good Falco stage though. Lasers all day.
@MidgarZolom Its pretty much USA(Mango) vs. Armada(EU) in the US. But Armada is used to it. It is extremely superficial but this community kinda is. They cheer for the fast play, higher tier characters more often than the upset. Really Armada just had his game on and Mango lost when he was ACTUALLY trying, which I just love because Mango has been really a cocky jerk and pretty disrespectful towards other players.
@LahtiSuomi I'm not doubting that he was very influential in the smash scene. I also wasn't commenting on him being an amateur player or novice when it come knowing the game. I was simply saying that he was an amateur commentator. Finally, no where did I make the assertion that I could do better, that's why no one has heard me commentate.
@JCSkaggs A lot of the mindgames switch over well in both games. Melee IS a lot more technical so you'll find yourself struggling on this part a lot more. Melee to Brawl transition actually was very smooth for me but I couldn't resist just playing Melee over it.
FD is agreed as one of the least balanced stages; it's huge, providing a massive amount of space to camp, with wide blast lines but a low ceiling, drastically favoring vertical KO's, and provides near infinite room to chaingrab. I sincerely disagree with that statement. It also provides no vertical movement for characters to use and protect themselves. That's like saying DL64 is fair; sure, but not if you're falcon, puff, yl, peach, etc. All stages favor some, that's why we play with CP.
Yeah the 2,5-3,5 weeks before did help, it was better then nothing for sure. I just think it was worse for me then for most players since I used to play basically everyday so that's why every small detail was easy for me back then. The basics will always be with me, the hard parts will from now on be hard for me. But yeah thanks for taking it the right way =)
@XxFS0FalcoxX LOL!!! That was funny, dude! You should do a world tour with that bit! Imagine, up there on the scene with them spotlights and everything, and you hitting it up with jokes like that. You're gonna be a star, son.
mango's fox is ridiculousssss a little too aggro to match up against armada's peach (and win, if he had toned it down a little) but props to armada for keeping up with that pace. have you EVER seen a peach look that fast
Some people say that the crowd was annoying/they want real commentary, but for sets like these I actually really like the hype and stuff, Idk if anyone agrees with me.
@BaKeYFox no he wouldnt have mango was so on point with his fox, fox also has a slight advantage over peach, mango has never played so on point or in the zone as he played in this set, falco would have been a bad choice against armada due to factors like terrible recovery and less kill power, he did have a little too much flash in my opinion
![GENESIS 3 - [A]rmada (Fox/Peach) vs C9.Mang0 (Fox) - SSBM - Grand Finals](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/WWdueibcRgg/mqdefault.jpg)
"Yeah I don't really care who wins this."
Less than 8 minutes later
"MANGO! MANGO! MANGO!"
I can't get over how insane 14:15 is, power shields the Firefox, wave dashes OoS to punish
"IT'S JUST TWO MOFUCKAS GOIN AT IT."
waffles still has the best commentary of all time, even 2 years later.
"niggas is hype"
@@BalboaBaggins’jabba the hutt ugly’
One of the greatest Smash sets of all time. I could watch these two go at it on a continuous loop forever.
Alright alright i lol'd at your pfp and username combo
I still think this is the best set of all time
It factually is. M2K vs Shiz is 2nd.
5:08 Did Mango seriously just shove him off the edge, force him to grab ledge, jump back on, and D-Smash?? Holy shit....
dont think he did it completely on purpose
that has to be the coolest use of invincibility ever
I do this with falco then drop shine dair
"You never get to see a Fox in finals playing on point", just you wait a few years xD
20XX Hax
Elie4Elite *Leffen
***** Yeah, I think he was referring to the summer of smash, with mango winning a number of nationals, also BH4.
THIS IS THE SET. THE BEST EVER.
armada's AMA made me re-watch this. too good.
Finally Armada after like 2 years you finally brought home the Gold.
this is the best set ever, nowadays Mango and Armada both play way more passively, they're just fucking going at it in this set, they're both soo aggressive
i think it's mostly because it was a faar different time in the metagame man you actually got rewarded back in the day for going the fuck off lol i believe this set was the end of the 2008 hyper-active ssbm era. personally i blame ppmd for the all the lameness apparent in today's play.
flyingpotato3 this happened in 2011, I think 2014 is when shit got so lame. So many laser camping Foxes.
+flyingpotato3 how are you going to blame somebody for playing optimally and wanting to win. Lmfao
i'm not placing blame i'm just calling it lame lol progress is progress i'm cool as long as ppl enjoy the damn game Abso PS
@@flyingpotato3 “I’m not placing blame” first comment literally has you saying “I blame ppmd” are you good dude?
I was beyond satisfied when Armada won that , Mango played well but that was a well deserved win for Armada.
especially after what happened at genesis 1 finals
the capture card/encoding on these videos makes really fast movements like fox's look sick
Glad to hear =D
Im not in school atm since I work. Will continue to study on the university in the future but not sure what path I will end up on.
I love the sentence: "oh my god! Armada!" in the commentary.
You don't have to remind god his name...
Competitive smash streams now: (no cursing, professional composure)
Competitive smash streams then: GRAND FINALS, THE REMATCH, NIGGAS IS HYPE SON!
I remember watching this on stream, the hype was outta this world.
dat HomeMadeWaffles commentary XD
@thegreatsolar
"An MC usually presents performers, speaks to the audience, and generally keeps the event moving. An MC may also tell jokes or anecdotes."
Dude checks out. He's not commentating bro. He didn't talk about why a set was won, break down plays, etc. He kept the crowd hyped as an MC should.
Regardless of that if you have the mic you can't be saying you want one person to win over the other. If you can't see why that's wrong you might want to enter some far away events.
WoW, I wish this had gone to 2nd set, Mang0's fox is like one of the most beautiful things Ive ever seen
completly insane how good they were in 2011
Even after knowing who wins, I still get chills everytime I watch this set
Even after this summer, this set is my favorite... they just mess each other up so hard the whole time.
Holy poop...I come back and watch this every once and a while and I still get chills every time. I'm an Armada fan myself, but I still respect Mango a ton. This is by far the best set I've ever watched, I don't think I'll ever see a matchup more exciting than these two. Too bad the commentators were completely biased and showed no knowledge whatsoever of the actual game.
it's hype
Waffles is one of the best players in NorCal, and you are acting like he has no knowledge of the game lmao. And this was at a time when smash was very grassroots and every commentator was just a player they gave the mic, and those players are friends and fans and shit with each other, so of course he was biased.
Ah, my bad. If I had known about that beforehand I wouldn't have bashed the commentators like that. Thanks for clearing that up! :)
@nintendoluigi agree
4:00
Was that Hbox?
+Bowserslave Yeah that was Box.
+Bowserslave 0:54 IS THAT PPMD?
+Epitome of Trash™ pewpewu
"Don't Stop!" - Waffles magical words that can stop any combo dead in its' tracks
@blues03 it was a USA tourney
on the West Coast
in California
pretty much everything was in Mango's favor geographically
brings tears to one’s eyes
HMW pls do it again at GEN 3!!
+MLG Jake I want HMW to lose in pools just so he can focus on commentary the whole time. lol
it happened and it was great
I've been really enjoying the recent bros that's been happening, but every time I watch this set my mind gets blown
@LethalXDSSBB to be more specific in the differences between high and over, over implies that a limit has been passed. High is simply a description of the current state compared to normal states. For instance if the speed limit was 25 and you were going 30, you are going over the speed limit, but you aren't going at a high speed relative to what we consider high speeds for a car.
This set is just mmm. Too amazing.
So hype , armada goat🇸🇪
Just the facts:
Apex 2013 Melee results: The top eight placers main eight different characters and between them used ten different characters in the bracket at one point or another.
Apex 2013 Brawl results: Four Metaknights in the top six. Herp.
I have NO idea what you mean by some characters in Melee being "not even playable" in the high tier when a Peach player won everything for the last two years and we had a Doc (a mid tier) in the top six.
That ain't Falco
Thanks for uploading this. Looking way better than the live version thingy. Fuck sake, can't express how happy I am for Armada. He's been second soo many times now and finally makes it. Good set, good shit Armada. You too Mango.
i SO wish there was a second set. this is the best freaking melee i've ever seen
@andrethefelix Another important thing to note is that Armada's percent damage remained intact at 22% as he comboed Mango to his death on his 3rd stock, which makes his comeback even more remarkable.
@Mirrorthrone68 that may be true, but considering Armada is using peach and mango is fox, they're pretty damn even
The best grands of all time imo
One of the best melee matches I seen in a long time.
Even though he lost I think this is the best I've ever seen Mango play.
Sets like this never get old.
Mango's dice roll fell on Snake Eyes.
Props to Armada, his greatest weapon above all others is his consistency. He doesn't falter even under the immense pressure. His hard work paid off in the best way in a very symbolic tournament.
Mango I personally believe still is a "smarter" player (I use quotes because he makes reckless decisions but reads everyone better). He kind of made risky approaches and was repeatedly punished for doing ledge-to-stage Fox Phantasms- that could've shortened.
GGs
Damn even all these years later this hold up super well
THE PROPHECY WAS TRUE
#G3 WILL GO DOWN IN HISTORY
a couple smart things from mango i noticed 1. armada wasnt used to tomahawk grab. 2. one of his last upsmashes he just stood there and let armada whiff fair for a standing upsmash. he got so used to armada typing his fairs early
@thegreatsolar
No MC is publicly funded. He was Mcing the battle.
I enjoy seeing the proud Mango fall to the humble foreigner.
been refreshing for 30 mins to finally watch this.
Still remains to be the coolest set I've ever seen
Because that's how peaches play. Technical skill isn't all there is to the game, and being better at it doesn't automatically make you better. Like Dark, basically. Which isn't to say Armada doesn't have tech skill, because his peach moves like a fuckin whirlwind.
My goodness what a set o_O
Mango's Fox is just ridiculous, a little more practice and he'll be able to recreate SuperDoodleMan's "Adventure" >_>
Big congratulations to Armada for finally pulling it off in the States. It was a well-deserved victory and I think it was a Peach's first major tournament win (?).
Long live Melee.
@ajpanton I'm surprised that you of all people would say that mango outplayed armada. You're giving armada basically no credit for winning the match and instead saying mango lost it. Armada outplayed mango thus the result
@BuIIetBiII I commented on Mango because that's what everyone was talking about, thus "adding my opinion". But if you want my opinion on Armada, here it is:
I've seen him for as long as I've see Peaches. I've gotten used to it, and followed and sometimes been part of the development of his new techniques, so he can't really surprise me with anything. I can't even see what makes him so good, because all I see is a Peach that doesn't suck. His strength is being consistent with his high level play.
@AstrayChronicle Uhm, a lot of people speak to audiences. He had no part in keeping the event moving. He was commentating, not MCing. He was a color commentator, not a play by play commentator, which would probably just annoy the listeners.
I like the reference waffles makes to PC Chris during OC3 finals. Ive always thought that Mango is a more modern day technical fox but he has the same creativity and combo ability as PC did.
I was actually waiting to see your input. I just think that the 2-5 weeks before EVO would help.
But like you said...somewhere before, being at the top is another level none of us can feel, so can't say much.
@jamduke i call that a shine(hits armada's shield)-->wavedash-->dash(left)-->jump canceled grab
You know how everyone says a perfect Fox would be unstoppable? I think Mango is pretty close.
But Armada is just too godlike.
Just adding my opinion into the mix:
I think Mango outplayed Armada most of the time, but he also outplayed himself a little. If he changes his playstyle so he's less likely to make mistakes, he may no longer "outplay" Armada.
Basically he overclocked his CPU a little too high, but a less-crashing CPU will also perform worse. He needs to learn to dynamically adjust his speed so it's higher where a mistake won't lead to death and lower otherwise.
i dont play ssbm but im glad Armada won i hate when everyone cheers against someone but i love it when that same person wins
OMG Mang0 is so good! So awesome to see Mang0 taking melee seriously!
A beautiful rivalry was born ;( Thanks Mango and Armada
@ValxLar Pfft. Saying that Mango is too "Aggro" is dumb. Mango plays aggressively. He believes that is pays off more to be aggressive. He says so himself. If you're playing like hungrybox, you're waiting for the opponent to fuck up, if you're playing aggressively, you just have to not fuck up. Which he did on dreamland.
I LEARNED SO MUCH FROM THIS MATCH
@LethalXDSSBB Not sure what you think I should leave out.
"Clocking" sounds like you're measuring something. "Overclocking" is the general term for increasing the clock frequency of something, which can be done both "too high" and not.
I definitely wouldn't say FD is fairest stage. It puts a lot emphasis on pure combo ability and skews matchups in favor of which character has the better combos (hence, why people would always ban this stage again IC's, who have horrendously good chaingrabs).
Also, the dude talking about Falco's recovery was talking about how Peach and Samus don't die off the sides as easily as they would on another stage like Yoshi's story.
FD is a really good Falco stage though. Lasers all day.
2:11 if mango got that upsmash we’d be talking about it years later
I just love this set
5:07 - The mind games. That was so smart.
Mango: 1
Armada: 2
GG
Best of 5 baby
+Seank7 thats gonna hype for the next genesis
Best of 7...?
+sizzle9000 LOLLLLLLL
YES
favorite set of all time for sure.
It’s not old school melee commentary unless Waff is screaming SWAG and talking to random people nearby
GOAT melee set.
This is the hypest set in smash history , more than 400 ppl watching and screaming , I will never forget that day , best tourney by far
15:17 "he deserved the fuck outta that" Agree.
Mango totally outplayed Armada in a matchup that's comfortably in Fox's advantage and still lost? Yeah right.
@MidgarZolom Its pretty much USA(Mango) vs. Armada(EU) in the US. But Armada is used to it. It is extremely superficial but this community kinda is. They cheer for the fast play, higher tier characters more often than the upset. Really Armada just had his game on and Mango lost when he was ACTUALLY trying, which I just love because Mango has been really a cocky jerk and pretty disrespectful towards other players.
2009-2012 were the greatest years of Melee.
LITERALLY number one and number two in the world at this moment, literally....
Man, I got like 10 heart attacks during game 5 and that's the third time I watch this!!!
Holy shit the punish game optimization from armada, and the adaptation from both is ridiculous. I love this xD
@LahtiSuomi I'm not doubting that he was very influential in the smash scene. I also wasn't commenting on him being an amateur player or novice when it come knowing the game. I was simply saying that he was an amateur commentator. Finally, no where did I make the assertion that I could do better, that's why no one has heard me commentate.
Who's watching after seeing Metagame? All the "new Doc" kids, welcome to melee!
It was hype as hell! Got chills with the callback to Ken vs PC from the 1st doc using the same soundtrack!
@JCSkaggs A lot of the mindgames switch over well in both games. Melee IS a lot more technical so you'll find yourself struggling on this part a lot more. Melee to Brawl transition actually was very smooth for me but I couldn't resist just playing Melee over it.
Best SSB video on TH-cam!
Truly a clash of the titans match!!!!! Historical!
FD is agreed as one of the least balanced stages; it's huge, providing a massive amount of space to camp, with wide blast lines but a low ceiling, drastically favoring vertical KO's, and provides near infinite room to chaingrab. I sincerely disagree with that statement. It also provides no vertical movement for characters to use and protect themselves. That's like saying DL64 is fair; sure, but not if you're falcon, puff, yl, peach, etc.
All stages favor some, that's why we play with CP.
I swear, I've watched this shit 10 times
the peak of Melee hype, right here
One of the best sets in melee!
This is the greatest set in smash history.
Yeah the 2,5-3,5 weeks before did help, it was better then nothing for sure.
I just think it was worse for me then for most players since I used to play basically everyday so that's why every small detail was easy for me back then.
The basics will always be with me, the hard parts will from now on be hard for me. But yeah thanks for taking it the right way =)
I returned after having watched METAGAME!
@XxFS0FalcoxX LOL!!! That was funny, dude! You should do a world tour with that bit! Imagine, up there on the scene with them spotlights and everything, and you hitting it up with jokes like that. You're gonna be a star, son.
mango's fox is ridiculousssss
a little too aggro to match up against armada's peach (and win, if he had toned it down a little)
but props to armada for keeping up with that pace. have you EVER seen a peach look that fast
Some people say that the crowd was annoying/they want real commentary, but for sets like these I actually really like the hype and stuff, Idk if anyone agrees with me.
@AstrayChronicle He was commentating, not MCing. They're different things, and it's perfectly acceptable for him to take sides, that's all I'm saying.
@nichonifroa1 By the way, did Mango make any comment on his losing? Does anyone know? (I'm stupid I hit the "post" button before thinking it through)
@BaKeYFox no he wouldnt have mango was so on point with his fox, fox also has a slight advantage over peach, mango has never played so on point or in the zone as he played in this set, falco would have been a bad choice against armada due to factors like terrible recovery and less kill power, he did have a little too much flash in my opinion