1:15 "Will you make Kanata pay for everything?" 3:55 Coco's thoughts on management 6:22 Loophole to join Holoserver after graduation 9:13 Coco would have fought with management
@@Munandarif If we are talking about Kanata, then "Heimin" is what she calls her audience, or if we are talking Japanese, it means "commoner" or "plebian".
Coco pointing out how lucky she is to be able to graduate without any of her hard work being erased helped me accept even more that she'll be graduating. She really is lucky.
It's all thanks to her efforts. In such a relatively short time she has accomplished so much.I happy she will not be separated with kanata and her friends in hololive 🥰
It feels a lot more like a proper retirement, as opposed to whats happened to everyone else who has left, and considering everything she's done for the company's growth, it was the least they could do.
"Not everyone may end up being able to go out like me" That was my thoughts around a week after her announcement. We probably live in the best timeline as far as Coco's graduation goes thanks to the insane effort she and others have put in to make these last few weeks memorable
i think coco's graduation set an impossibly high benchmark lol. She didn't do it suddenly, viewers had a month to get over the grief and accept her graduation, and everyone is celebrating her achievements. A lot of other vtubers are sudden and leaves the viewers really upset with sad memories.
@@rdxzero Usually vtubers announce it a week before retiring. That's way too sudden. With coco, she's already decided to retire 3 months ago and gave viewers 3 weeks to digest the announcement. Not to mention, she also did more collabs to make more memories.
@@goosechaser13 This is why I can't get into Nijisanji at all, there are too many of them and that kinda makes them feels less unique, many of them also graduated just like that Which is why when there's only one liver in Nijisanji that I feel gives a truly unique calming energy, a liver I liked enough I decided to subscribe and watch her videos ocassionally And that one liver will graduate tomorrow, there's only pain :(
at first i was sad that Coco was graduating to the extent i avoided any content from her. But then i watched the summer festival, watched everything from start to finish. i was in awe on how much effort the members gave was towards the festival and how much love they showed Coco and how happy she was. Suffice to say i'm not saddened any more. instead i will be attending her graduation with only smiles.
Same thing happened to me, I’ve avoided any Coco content (other than the EN collabs) until now… but I can’t really articulate as to why I’ve done that..
@@PokeDanny10 Same here. I was always eagerly watching every meme review, but just couldn't bring myself to watch her last 2 reviews. We were probably trying to distance ourselves from her, to make the graduation less painful, but on festival day I let her stream run and later hesitantly watched her cover of that honeyworks song. It's going to be painful, but I realized that I definitely don't want to miss out on the graduation stream.
And you don't need to look further than the speculations the fandom have made. Their imaginations are just as wild as what Coco said about the managers in this video.
2 days left... but after a chapter ends another will begin. She will have more creative freedom to do the things she wants to do. She will have more time to spend with loved ones.
@@diegocantu9853 you are most welcome. I, for one, plan on starting a membership while it's still available to see what her members only content was like. And get some of the merch. Remember, graduation day is also the final day to order merch
@@tracker113 I've just only got a membership to watch her member only stream about her graduation. Totally worth it. If you're too lazy or don't really understand japanese, the english comments gives an idea of roughly why she decided to leave hololive
Honestly, I prefer the way she's going out right now. It would have been really depressing if she was just suddenly cut without warning, and we know she's going to be ok moving forward. We might not see Coco again, but at least she has her friends at Hololive still, and she still have Kanata in the building. I could hardly believe the girls at Hololive would stop talking to each other after her graduation.
How would you feel if your friend that you made at work announced they didn't want to work with you any more? Would you really assume they still felt the same about you outside work?
Personally I'm not sad that coco is leaving mainly because I never found her entertaining but I'm scary because now that the antis have basically win with her they will move on to the next hololive member I just hope that they will leave with her but I do see it happening
@@realQuestion That is definitely the wrong way to look at it. Coco isn't leaving because she doesn't want to work with her friends anymore. Of course you can keep being friends with the people you used to work with. They know you quit not because of them but because you had something else you wanted to do in life. Like, if I worked at a gas station and I decided that I'd rather pursue art, or work at with electronics or whatever. My coworker I became good friends with is not gonna feel less about me and think I changed job because of them. Gas station work was just not the job for me. We could easily hang out before or after work and stay good friends for many years to come.
When she talked about how the chat acted like kanata's parents and then asked what she was to them all I thought was that the asacoco got to her and chats head and that coco shouldn't make the Gorrila pay
Its like a weird feeling knowing that they're restricting her creative ideas, but knowing that if they didn't restrict her, she might just do something that could just straight get her channel deleted. I am honestly surprised the Pubic Hair streams even got pass them at all.
@@soragami6247 TH-camrs do much worse things on the platform without getting "deleted". if you think what these girls come up with is bad, you must not have seen the rest of TH-cam at all. Hololive and most other talent agencies in Japan being restrictive is only a bad thing, mostly rooted in antiquated tradition and 'the proper way to do things' and public opinion et cetera.
@@loveisinportant5570 most of channel that do yabai stuff is either not monetized or simply because youtube havent noticed them yet, and dont forget youtube is being youtube, they are random af like naked yoga is ok but anime tiddies isnt, some of hololive channel already got demonetized and shadowban that forced them to censor stuff and play safe
The pubic hair removal is actually pretty safe if you think about it the only graphic thing was coco's drawing on where she was using the machine, but the drawing was basically a stickman with no details on her private areas so that by itself is also pretty safe
Well if she sell it online some of us would not mind paying how much it cost because Coco have slept in it in a sense some of us Will Pay very very high just to get our hand on such merch
One of the most frustrating things regarding corporations of any kind, especially in entertainment. Since copyright law is super outdated and many companies out there are taking advantage of that
@@ghoulbuster1 Yeah, how can they be outdated when they get updated once every 20 years or so? :-) The next update should be right around the corner, too. Yeah yeah, I know that there are more issues aside from Disney lobbying to protect their Micky Mouse. XD
@@earthbind83 I hope they get updated, because iirc they still kind of assume that content must be produced/redistributed by a larger entity or corporation. I dont know the full details since Im NOWHERE near an expert, but I think the gist was that they only work back when self publication was impossible.
some companies even kill their products by destroying anything that talks about them through over abusing copyright, so nobody ever gets to know their shows Katekyo Hitman Reborn, extremely popular, gets all videos of it shut down, nearly completely dies in less than a handful of years
It’s so disrespectful that some people suggest to Coco that she might become a bother to Kanata.. Coco and Kanata are friends, and those people don’t even know any of them irl, they should be ashamed of interfering in someone’s real life like this.
@@IsTheOrderASapling Idk if its a real saying but in Japan entertainment industry, idol is like the bottom of the ladder. You are not expected to stay as an idol forever but rather branch out to actor or singer, etc... Idol is when you learn the basic in entertainment industry. And if I'm not wrong, AKB48 can be considered a school for people wanting to start in the industry, that's also 1 of the reason why it's called graduation, graduation from the school.
I just hope us Overseas Bros and The EN members can convince the stiffs that entertainment makes more income than the idol side of the industry. Here's to hoping Hololive sticks to entertainment and last for decades to come 👍
Yeah Yaku seems to be getting more clickbaity with the serious tags. It's a shame, they used to be more responsibly used, whereas this is just maliciously mispresenting a playful joke in a way that can give an entirely wrong impression of the people involved. If this development continues it's probably best to drop this translator.
@@Colopty How is it clickbait when it's virtually a quote from the video? Coco says it playfully but it's pretty clear it's something rooted in reality. Anyone paying attention knows Cover management is being much more careful than before, and it's up to fans to make their own judgement on whether it's a net gain or net loss (aka whether the prevention of drama and attraction of sponsors outweighs the stifling of creativity)
@@chosone2 lol if not they got same same tag/same title premise, peoples will not think this video clickbait. Just take a look Coco video in this channel
Tbh, I really don't feel like Coco was trying to talk bad about cover. Yeah the restriction is annoying, but at the same it's not like they don't have any reason to be paranoid. After all, TH-cam be attacking for no reason.
Agree, remember copyright disaster? antis attack? Etc.. Management try to prevent that happen again, it might be to strict for talents but something that should be done for a reason
Yea, being in any organization there has to be rules to prevent unwanted stuff from happening so it's understandable that it's less free than being independent. She's just stating the truth. I don't get some people who blame it on cover
So glad they let her keep her channel and twitter active. The ability to rewatch old Coco vids when I miss her is helping take the edge off her graduation
“Not everyone may end up being able to go out like me…” Damn straight. D̶e̶a̶t̶h̶ Graduation can be as sudden as “Please wait for my return.” after a short “break”, and never coming back. With Coco, we had a month’s notice. The most telegraphed punch to the kokoro ever. She had plenty of time to make it abundantly clear that she was leaving on her own terms, and that everyone had time to mourn when the announcement was made so that they could see her off with smiles on their faces. Nothing is more tragic that not being able to say goodbye.
I’m glad I was able to get the sadness out of the way early so I could truly enjoy the last streams. She and all the other hololive members really eased the fans into it and helped this go down easy.
For real, man. In real life too, but way more common with Vtubers. Been watching a variety since the early Kizuna Ai days and I can't count on both hands the number of vtubers with sudden retirements. Kinda makes you sad, missing their last stream, or never getting to superchat as planned. Sometimes you're left wondering if they got blackmailed, discouraged, tired, exposed, whatever. Not trying to gatekeep being sad lol but I personally feel fine with how the graduation worked out. Made a lot of memories, and $ too :)
@@AethernaLuxen to be fair, "serious idol companies" are ethical nightmares that burnout young women and farm incels for their unemployment cash As someone that actually lives and works in Japan, I can pretty safely say most idol companies are ran by subhuman scum.
Yeah, one fatal mistake can cause damage to the whole company, and their talents. With coco nature, the staff there would be cautious, the geezer would be even More cautious usually. Thus born the overreactive over coco's stuff. Annoying it is. But the worries when coco finding a loophole that could cause the antis to ruin cover would be disasterous to all of the people connected to cover corp. Gaaaaah!! I wanna shout to cover to just let coco do her thing, i believe in her. but these different pov as viewer/supporter, pov of the streamer, and those who run the company is bugging me :((((
You know, wording it like that makes me feel a tiny bit sorry for management. It sounds like they have PTSD. “Oh, you want to ‘play a video game’ huh? And at what point does that turn into live naked pole dancing with ProjektMelody huh, huh?!”
@@yagooatthegoat i am so worrie right now for Haachama, I think she has the same problem with the management and may graduate soon, not because of those antis, but because of management. :((
another loophole could be that while Kiryu Coco belongs to Hololive, the purple monster was a fan creation so unless they purchased all the rights she's probably good to use it afterwards.
Thing is vtubers don't need to have a short lifespan as they are in the youtube/twitch sphere sure many contend creators peaked at one point or stopped because of reasons but then we have people that just keep on existing and doing fine. I mean lets take AVGN for example James is around since the beginning of youtube (heck even before) and still has a lot of engament. Or someone closer to hololive in Anitube circles with the Trash taste boys. Vtubers might reach a peak but that doesnt mean they are a replaceable commodity.
@@Blutwind They are compeletly replacable as they've become a dime a dozen. The magic of a vtuber has long since passed. Anyone but the most devoted of zealots know that the only different between a vtuber and a twitch girl streaming is the 2d image used as an avatar. Enjoy the fad but it's very obvious that the vtubers aren't going reach the heights that other streams get.
Ahhh... We'll miss her for sure, she sure left a mark, more like dent, no, she scarred Hololive leaving it with PTSD, and I wouldn't have had it any other way. KiryuKai Forever brothers.
7:23 as somebody who’s sadness has affected them at work, it feels good to hear Coco say this. It’s also good that they agreed to have her channel stay up as I’ve just not had enough time to watch all of her recent content.
That mountain of superchats building up in the background at 7:45 - there's so many in the pile that the physics are lagging 😂 I don't think we have to worry about her financial well being after Hololive
@@lukakatunaricskaro Unfortunately, they are. They're even the ones that are the most involved to unhinged degrees. You can find them hiding inside the ''protect muh smiles'' brigade, deep deep down their ranks.
@@aberrationeech.1838 Somebody correct me if I'm remembering wrong but during Coco's boom with her AsaCoco and how fast she's gaining subs(note that this was during the time when even reaching 100k was already a big deal) some people were saying Kanata is just leeching off Coco's success which obviously aint true.
Come on managements, Coco won't do something crazy like that... Only hair removal streams and saying _-madafaka-_ weather hackers on stage with thousands of people watching xD Coco is truly lucky that all of her hard work and her archive will remain. I wish the same would happen to a certain Nijisanji's art student too
That's the price you pay, I suppose, for the reach of a company like Cover. Some people thrive under a system, others do not. Independence is less restrictive, but it's also scarier and you're less protected. Who can say whether she would have really 'made it' without Hololive, but I guess it's time to move on. I'm glad there aren't too many hard feelings.
there wouldn't be a coco without hololive so maybe under a different perosna like with her old channel but thats completly different content so she wouldn't be the same.
@@theultimateevil3430 Note that protection doesn’t just mean trolls and antis. Things like copyright, permissions, monetization etc. Seeing as how copyright is such a bitch in Japan, being in a major company makes it easier to get permissions from copyright holders than if you were an indie. It’s also easier to deal with strikes, takedowns and demonetization if you have backing. And they’re much better about trolls and antis now then they were back during the unpleasantness. At the least, China bots are less of an issue now and there are better protocols. In a way, Coco also made a difference albeit indirectly.
There's a whole laundry list of topics you can talk about -Winnie the Pooh -Tibet -The Dalai Lama -that whole genocide thing they're doing Turns out the more oppressive your censors are the easier you are to troll
Your title and thumbnail make it seem like Coco actually really hates management, when in actual fact, that's not the case. Very misleading. Edit: they changed the title and thumbnail to something more fitting (which is a good thing), so my above comment is no longer relevant.
Sadly, this is becoming the norm with these vtuber clippers and translators. There's a fuckton of them now so I can't really blame them because it's how you play the youtube game.
@@srkares the source is "insider leaks" from 4chan and popularized by our beloved Narukami Sabaki Gotta love these guys, they will still be around even when Coco departures
I don't understand the culture of pretending that a vtuber never existed once they graduated by deleting almost every trace of them, it's good that Coco is breaking away from that culture
Its not really a culture though. If its an indie vtuber then is mainly dependent on their own personal whims. Those that chose to wipe everything might want a dissociate from it (maybe due a to change of career or drama) and want a clean start. If its a company owned Vtuber then is mainly dependent on said company. I don't know how smaller Vtubing companies operate but the bigger ones like Hololive and Nijisanji allows the Vtubers to chose for themselves (unless something like leaving on bad terms were to happen)
You would see the old channel spammed with grief comments despite the said person already moved on to another persona, for instance. It's not for every case but most probably want to disassociate from the past to start stuff anew. (even now that already happened a lot, if you visited the talent's other channel)
The brand belongs to the company but requires the talent to be of any use, so in the usual cases where graduations aren't amicable like this there is no business value in leaving the content up. It's less of a culture thing and more about the business model of agency based vtubing where there are many parties involved and a business relationship or contract dissolves. Not defending it, just being pragmatic about why they often delete channels etc
I think her comment is more of "They think I'll go that far so they restrict me for that when actually I don't even want to go that far" Rather than the management is strict, they're way too lax they set the boundaries way too far than Coco even think of. Probably goes, "Can I get the permission to do something a bit out of the norm?" "... You don't want to do *redacted wild imagination* on stream right??? You can do anything else but don't go that far!!!" "I just want to do something wholesome..." "Oh, ok go for it."
the way i see it is that im sad she will no longer be here with us, but logically speaking shes made a shit ton of money and honestly im pretty happy that shes not gonna have to deal with antis and shitty viewers anymore. but a lot of other vtubers arent as successful as coco so id imagine they will still need to hustle after they graduate
The management can be strict and all, but I'm thankful, that Coco is able to end with a bang. They let her keep everything she has made (not the membership's stuffs because it's yt), and doing everything (almost) before she goes, her new outfit, merchs, hologra, etc.... In the end the management just care for her too much, like an overprotective parent lol 🤣
Ig in the end there are faults in both side. Coco is strong, the type that won't let ppl tell her around. While Hololive just got serious PTSD from all the previous dramas antis problem, plus Hololive is getting bigger and bigger so they are just trying to play safe. In a better world, things could have worked out but we are living in such a bad timeline where everything can go wrong, did go wrong
@@moggless Coco being too headstrong for a company setting. From a social (meaning publicity for lots of law related things, the fans and other companies) business perspective, rules are set to far from ‘the worst’ to ensure that when one does walk the boundary, it would be acceptable and tolerable. And no need to generalise.
@@comradeofthebalance3147 no offense dude but you just sound like the geezers that coco is talking about in this video. im sure coco is professional enough when to not cross the line more than old men in suits. have more faith will ya.
@@moggless Ah but you need to factor in possible things that may arise by coincidence. Like with the youtube analytics, the analytics they do know is more 'controlled' in the sense they don't pull it up or else a trigger excuse like what happened with Coco (and Haachama/Haato). 'Knowing not to cross the line' is not good enough justification for discounting the possibility of crossing the line. Unless you are talking about near complete freedom, you would misunderstand me. We set rules and follow them. Sure go over a bit and come back but not too often. If it is too restrictive, raise the bar but just enough necessarily. We don't set the bar at the edge, we set it before the edge. This is management. Cover Hololive seems to have a high bar but not enough for Kaichou. When rules are set laxed, we take it for granted and we demand more. That is the problem. They will learn to be more lax, but for now it seems not necessary yet and as a whole learn discipline. This is a common management policy I see and work under in SEA.
The same people worried about Coco's financial situation very likely earn less than what she earns on her other 2 channels where she gets to keep everything after the TH-cam paycut, and when she graduates a lot of her fans will transfer over - in fact, many already did. Pretty silly to worry about her on that aspect.
The worry is because while her current content is huge and well produced, its because Hololive is backing it. After Hololive? things will be very different. She may try her Kson Onair channel, but it won't reach the 30k+ viewers every stream like she got now. Being independent isn't easy at all. But she'll manage. There is not need to worry like those people are worrying.
@@abnnizzy Hololive is backing, yes, but that also comes with lots of strings attached, like not being able to behave in certain ways, censoring their creativity like what happened with Haachama etc. She loses corporate backing, but gets more freedom and higher percentages, plus a schedule she gets to make.
@@LemonRush7777 Yeah, thats a pro. But higher percent with less income will get her even less money than she is making now. But she'll be happier, I guess.
@@abnnizzy I'm honestly not so sure she will really make that much less money. I think that when you equate the pressure relief from less activities and expectations, this will only be a net positive for her. Besides, she is the second or third vtuber whose identity is entirely not a secret (thinking about Tamaki and Kizuna Ai) meaning current fans know where to find her. Obviously not all will and a portion of those may not transfer to long term support of her Kson persona, but I predict a sizeable portion will stay loyal. And remember: she will still stay ahead of several indie or semi-indie in earnings. Hell, she will likely beat some of the Holomem and a lot of Nijisanji streamers on that front. We also have no idea what exactly she has planned. Will she just continue vtubing with her alt model? Will she join a vtuber agency as staff or even create one? Will she start a company that offer services for vtubers? All paths are open to her, and she is a sufficiently gutsy lady to prevent preemptively discarding any option.
While I'm sad about Coco graduating, I'm also excited that in the future, we might be able to see Coco without any restrictions. Coco as her own manager would be incredible!
Coco really setting up example even till the last moment. I can see her grand month of graduation will be a standard or tradition of some sort for the next holo that will graduate/retire eventually. This will give the other member and the fans time to cope and sending them off with smiles and blessings in the hopefully far far future.
I do hope management loosens up on the restrictions. They are there to protect the talents but if it goes so far that you lose one then you’ve probably said no to one too many things. Like I’ve seen Asacoco and unless Coco was really ramping up the yabe everything in there was fairly safe(obviously not kid friendly but youtube is FULL of creators that do far worse and are fine, this isn’t TH-camKids). This applies to pretty much everything Coco does honestly.
Yeah but the Talents did know what they were getting into when they signed up. And like coco isn't getting kicked out shes doing it by choice. As for her yabe ness she defintely had been ramping it up over the months so I guess even though she new their limits thought that its their fault for not letting her break the rules? Its a confusing stew but I still love her
@@gizunoglunmig0801 That’s the thing that makes it unfortunate for me. There is, as far as Coco knows, no concrete “rule” that stops her from making the content she wants. She sends ideas to management and they say no and give her a case-specific reason, so it’s kind of ambiguous. And these restrictions are fairly new so I don’t believe she fully did know what she was signing up for. I just believe that while Cover is well within their right to put these restrictions up(and that some restrictions are a good idea), and other talents don’t go nearly as far as Coco does, that they are unnecessary to an extent. Again, this is based off of Coco’s past content and I have no idea what she was trying to do so far.
@@everafterra That’s fair but FilthyFrank was a lot less safe imo. And considering the channels that are successful today like MoistCritikal or Idubbz or like the Paul bros and stuff, I feel like more gets by than people give credit for.
@@jibibi9109 and I don't think those channels will get sponsorships or collabs from redbull or disney soon. We'll see if Kson really want to turn into those kind of channels I guess
This really is the best possible way for her to go, all of her catalog stays up, she's been able to do all these great streams this last month, allowing us to enjoy and prepare for this last stream.
People needs to understand that every member of Hololive makes more money than most of us. Tho i understand why that would be worrying. Then again she speaks english so her potential is limitless anywhere she goes.
I imagine a lot of the fear from people comes from the ambiguous numbers. We hear about how TH-cam takes a cut and cover takes a cut, and they’re salaried, and because none of those cuts and numbers are given to us, No matter how much they make in sc people will still tend to worry.
Hololive's structure and management: exist to protect the members legal threats and insure their and their channel's safety. Allow some things that are pretty yabei or very unconventional for Japanese groups, with most of the restrictions we've heard about being things that are admittedly skirting the edge or outright dangerous to the member's health. Fubuki: has stated that she will refuse to go along with anything she doesn't agree with, and would call out and leave Hololive without hesitation if she thinks it's going too far. Coco: leaving on good terms and even got the super shy CEO to agree to an interview with her, with said CEO even giggling while Coco was being her over-the-top self. Antis: work to tear down anything Hololive and report shit in large quantities to force youtube's attention on anything remotely against guidelines. TH-cam: has a history of heavily biased enforcement of rules, usually siding against Hololive and has given quite a few bans, shadowbans, and demonetizations against Hololive. "Fans": fuck Cover! They're stopping creative freedom and forcing them into doing things they don't want! All they care about is money and don't give a fuck about the talents! Yes, Cover can be over cautious about things. But given their history with attacks on their talents and the regular attacks against the members channels', it shouldn't be surprising. But we also have seen that they explain to the girls why they can't do it, and have worked with them to try to safely do the things the want (such as with the Haachama/Haato series). There are several Holomems that escaped the toxic idol industry that are still choosing to work with Hololive, even after seeing some of the heavy-handed responses and being targeted by antis. Fubuki asked us to trust her about the quality of Cover and how it treats the members, and she has been nothing but understanding of the management and the situation. Trust the girls on what they think of Cover and how things are managed, not gut response anger and expectations set by other corporations.
I feel like you took the convo to another level lmao. Made it capable of raising unnecessary, wrong ideas and comments. It could be misleading and I know(more like I hope) that is not your intention, but be aware: small things like these topics are enough to make you make an entire video, now imagine how easy it'll be for someone to use it against Coco's will. Not her, her will. That's important to notice. Talking about hololive administration like she did doesn't mean she wants people to think they're bad, actually, Im sure she wants us to focus on the things they do right. But putting it the way you do kinda focuses on the possible bad aspects. The hololive managers topic is only one example of many in the video. Im sorry this was long. Also, sorry if I conveyed negative tones, i do not mean insult or disrespect. But I dont want chances at more controversy around Coco. Now, goodnight lol.
With how much she could sell hers for, that's more than most people's yearly salary. The auction price would be insane. "$9000 bed, slept in and used by Kiryuu Coco, video evidence included." Not that she actually would, she's more than fine with her savings.
@@everafterra i she really hasn’t had the time to focus so much on anything but Coco. those kson streams are usually low key chill streams when she just wants to unwind and talk about whatever. might have some fun new stuff in the future
Considering the stuff Coco pulled (sometimes despite being told not to), I am not surprised she is being treated with suspicion. Whether you like it or dont care about it, Coco pushed the envelope more than was perhaps appropiate at times (for any kind of general entertainment, not just "idols"). Ultimately it's expected to encounter such actions with a bit of hesitation and restrictions. Cooperation has to go both ways. Anyway, Coco is doing just fine in her other ventures. She doesnt need Hololive to stay afloat. People need to stop worrying so much.
I'm getting the image of one of those refused, contested proposals going something like this: Coco: "So, I know in the past I've been told not to even talk about Melody, but she's kinda an elephant in the room now, especially since we're doing collabs openly with Vshojo. Why don't you just let me do one with her? Fans would love it!" Management: "What does that really mean???" Coco: "...eh?" (@#$%, here we go again.) Management: "If that means you're planning on having a X-rated stripping stream with her, absolutely not!" Coco: "What the @#$%?! First of all, something like that wouldn't be allowed on TH-cam in a million years. Secondly, she only ever does X-rated things on an entirely different site. Thirdly, how would I even strip down? My model obviously wasn't designed with intimate details, right?" Management: "..." Coco: "...*My model wasn't designed with intimate details, right?*"
So we can expect that in the future, when Holomems play Minecraft and meet Kanata and she suddenly chats in fluent English, we'll know in our heart who's behind the keyboard
Of course, Hololive is having so much PTSD from last drama event tho, that's why they had to do it extra careful this time And yeah the TH-cam thing, one of the main reasons Hololive doing overprotective to their talent
Coco is able to go out on her own terms. That alone is more than enough for me to reach acceptance. Nothing's more heartbreaking than not being able to say a proper goodbye.
True, I once in a believe when the 1st week of the announcement people distrust them when in reality these minority are just loud af and it seems that dramatical discussions forums manipulates the opinions shared within the forum and you hardly see a well thought considerate comments
I’ll like to give my thoughts on the tax fears by her older tatsunokos. Since a lot of comments are talking more about how much she earns and such, its precisely because she earns so much that gets them worried. Not sure if the tax laws and rules are the same for US, EU, Japan and my own country. But from my understanding for my Asian country. We calculate the income tax payable this year based on last year’s declared income. Meaning since in 2021 Coco earned an astronomical amount (especially this month right before graduation). Her income tax payable in 2022 is likely projected to be astronomical as well. Hence the older Tatsunokos are worried because Coco will likely see a massive drop in her income in 2022, and they fear that the huge massive income tax bill might wipe out all her savings. Of course we can’t know how things will go. We can just take comfort that Coco did declare herself to be quite a saver and not really spending much due to her hikimori lifestyle. And working with her personal tax accountant, they can probably have a real close estimate of how much tax she has to pay in 2022 and she can set aside her pile of money for it.
it's not first time, she told before how much tax she had to pay next year that her income is in the red and how shitty the japan tax system is for TH-camr.
@@zeroanimation3956 eh in the red? she probably made 500k+ after youtube, cover and taxes are paid. she made 2.5mill according to playboard. unless she raked in heavy loans and cc she should be living pretty well in japan.
@@LCJammer I don't know how japan calculated their taxes and how many people had to pay, but to them youtube not count as job. Like you had so much money but you don't have job is suspicious.
These managment people shes mentioning are gonna be the death of this company im 100% sure. Marine expressed her frustration and distress over stuff being cancelled in members only announcements before kaichou was even gonna graduate and that was a huge red flag for me. The company is dying from the inside out
@@idrilek they just like licking coporate companies boots instead of supporting the members, quite laughable considering the endless fucks ups management does monthly.
The entire Japanese industry is full of old ass conservative people like this. It's garbage and holds back real innovation and growth. They better take a long hard look at what THEY did wrong to get Coco to leave
I expected more criticisms AGAINST the management in the comments' section ; found a bunch of pro-management ones instead. I guess Hololive had more puritan conservatives within its fandom than I thought. Either way, I'd like to point out that censorship benefits no one in the long term. You may be cheering for Coco's exit now because of the restrictions, but one day you'll find yourself on the receiving end of the same thing, and you won't like it. Guaranteed.
Hololive members regularly get demonetized over nothing, or minor things like too much cleavage, which rightfully gets management worried. Meanwhile, Coco brought a bunch of attention, viewers, and money in by actively pushing the envelope, which was highly effective but high-risk. Board members don't like risk, so it was inevitable that they'd butt heads. The real finger-pointing should be at TH-cam for its totally inconsistent enforcement of TOS that led to these restrictions in the first place.
@@Morrigi192 Management shitcanned Kanatan's super-tame news show where all she'd do is praise Hololive members for being awesome. Want to explain to me why you think that was too spicy for TH-cam?
I can't blame management too much for being suspicious about Coco's ideas, she is the one who did a hair removal stream (i still can't imagine how that got the ok lol) and popularized swearing in english to the jp branch. And regarding her being lucky about going out like this, not only she is lucky, but her fans are too. Everyone is able to have a lot of fun moments now and have time to prepare for it. There is also the promise of going out with a BANG with a final graduation stream. The other graduations that come to my mind are the ones from Holostars. I am not aware of Suzaku's circumstances but Kaoru just suddenly announced off stream that he is graduating and Kira was a similar deal, suddenly announce that he is graduating and with no graduation stream. In a way Kira's graduation stings a little less than Kaoru's thx to the archives being intact, but what stings harder is knowing that Kira has been struggling with mental and physical health issues for some time and no one was able to help him. Coco's graduation is due to various reasons, some of which are known, some not and some possible reasons have been denied, but it was her choice, and she was able to do a lot of things in the time before and on that regard she is really lucky.
2:22 as a matter of fact me and my old friend wanted to live together just to save on rent money since we were both loners and not that smart, however when he entered high school he suddenly became popular, plus we went in different high schools in different cities, so yeah, I haven't talked to him since april
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1:15 "Will you make Kanata pay for everything?"
3:55 Coco's thoughts on management
6:22 Loophole to join Holoserver after graduation
9:13 Coco would have fought with management
What is heimin?
@@Munandarif If we are talking about Kanata, then "Heimin" is what she calls her audience, or if we are talking Japanese, it means "commoner" or "plebian".
@@Fightikus Does Kanata know the English definition? I'm assuming her fans made a joke about it.
@@Copperkaiju what's the english definition?
@@Haigyon In english there is a word spelled hymen, it refers to a part of a woman's genitalia.
Coco pointing out how lucky she is to be able to graduate without any of her hard work being erased helped me accept even more that she'll be graduating. She really is lucky.
It's all thanks to her efforts. In such a relatively short time she has accomplished so much.I happy she will not be separated with kanata and her friends in hololive 🥰
It feels a lot more like a proper retirement, as opposed to whats happened to everyone else who has left, and considering everything she's done for the company's growth, it was the least they could do.
It's not luck, she deserves this and shouldn't be otherwise.
Yeah, she has a more normal graduation, going out on her own accord, with a heads up instead of suddenly quitting or straight up instantly fired.
@@Rikoyasha15 👍🏻
"Not everyone may end up being able to go out like me"
That was my thoughts around a week after her announcement. We probably live in the best timeline as far as Coco's graduation goes thanks to the insane effort she and others have put in to make these last few weeks memorable
i think coco's graduation set an impossibly high benchmark lol. She didn't do it suddenly, viewers had a month to get over the grief and accept her graduation, and everyone is celebrating her achievements. A lot of other vtubers are sudden and leaves the viewers really upset with sad memories.
@@rdxzero Usually vtubers announce it a week before retiring. That's way too sudden. With coco, she's already decided to retire 3 months ago and gave viewers 3 weeks to digest the announcement. Not to mention, she also did more collabs to make more memories.
Gibara and lulu be like "lol btw I'm graduating in 2 day's and my channel will be unceremoniously deleted"
@@goosechaser13 This is why I can't get into Nijisanji at all, there are too many of them and that kinda makes them feels less unique, many of them also graduated just like that
Which is why when there's only one liver in Nijisanji that I feel gives a truly unique calming energy, a liver I liked enough I decided to subscribe and watch her videos ocassionally
And that one liver will graduate tomorrow, there's only pain :(
@@goosechaser13 Lulu's channel is getting deleted?
Well shit
at first i was sad that Coco was graduating to the extent i avoided any content from her. But then i watched the summer festival, watched everything from start to finish. i was in awe on how much effort the members gave was towards the festival and how much love they showed Coco and how happy she was. Suffice to say i'm not saddened any more. instead i will be attending her graduation with only smiles.
The firework part made me smile ... "Thank you 🐉"
Same thing happened to me, I’ve avoided any Coco content (other than the EN collabs) until now… but I can’t really articulate as to why I’ve done that..
You might regret not enjoying her while you still can, so I suggest watching her streams even if it feels painful sometimes
She'll live on with her own channel from prior to joining Holo. Don't be sad, look up kson
@@PokeDanny10 Same here. I was always eagerly watching every meme review, but just couldn't bring myself to watch her last 2 reviews. We were probably trying to distance ourselves from her, to make the graduation less painful, but on festival day I let her stream run and later hesitantly watched her cover of that honeyworks song. It's going to be painful, but I realized that I definitely don't want to miss out on the graduation stream.
"There are many people who go out of their way to worry."
Facts.
And you don't need to look further than the speculations the fandom have made. Their imaginations are just as wild as what Coco said about the managers in this video.
@@RichDavis13 This. I agree lol
@@RichDavis13 this, and twitter in a nutshell
@@SilverShinotora people in a nutshell
@@oujimandias6485 nah, just Twitter.
People are worried about the highest earning Hololive talent being broke the moment she leaves the company? That's cute.
She literally made 20K two day's ago in ONE stream
Consider taxes plus the company cut. This isn't just people on twitch.
You guys know the money goes to yt and cover first right?
They get way less than half of that
She's got a salary and doesn't get much from superchats. That's real cute.
@@zaberfang I suspect that some vtubers are salaried, like VOMS. It's Japan after all, which has a long and storied history of mistreating idols.
2 days left... but after a chapter ends another will begin. She will have more creative freedom to do the things she wants to do. She will have more time to spend with loved ones.
Will her streams still be up or will everything get removed? I didn't understand that part?
@@diegocantu9853 her streams will stay, but her members only content will be deleted after 3 months due to monetization being disabled
@@tracker113 I see, thank you and I thank Coco for all of the great times she's provided o7
@@diegocantu9853 you are most welcome. I, for one, plan on starting a membership while it's still available to see what her members only content was like. And get some of the merch. Remember, graduation day is also the final day to order merch
@@tracker113 I've just only got a membership to watch her member only stream about her graduation. Totally worth it. If you're too lazy or don't really understand japanese, the english comments gives an idea of roughly why she decided to leave hololive
Honestly, I prefer the way she's going out right now. It would have been really depressing if she was just suddenly cut without warning, and we know she's going to be ok moving forward. We might not see Coco again, but at least she has her friends at Hololive still, and she still have Kanata in the building. I could hardly believe the girls at Hololive would stop talking to each other after her graduation.
How would you feel if your friend that you made at work announced they didn't want to work with you any more? Would you really assume they still felt the same about you outside work?
Personally I'm not sad that coco is leaving mainly because I never found her entertaining but I'm scary because now that the antis have basically win with her they will move on to the next hololive member I just hope that they will leave with her but I do see it happening
@@realQuestion That is definitely the wrong way to look at it. Coco isn't leaving because she doesn't want to work with her friends anymore. Of course you can keep being friends with the people you used to work with. They know you quit not because of them but because you had something else you wanted to do in life. Like, if I worked at a gas station and I decided that I'd rather pursue art, or work at with electronics or whatever. My coworker I became good friends with is not gonna feel less about me and think I changed job because of them. Gas station work was just not the job for me. We could easily hang out before or after work and stay good friends for many years to come.
@@realQuestion What a strange take
@@realQuestion Strange
"Why are there 2 Kanata's online today?" - residents of the Holoserver, probably
More like “nobody ask any questions or management might find out 🤐”
More like "why is Kanata here? isn't she doing a karaoke stream right now?"
@@Danio_YT new lore, kanata split into two beings, tenshi kanata and gori kanata
Kanata finally embrace her angelic power? I'm in
@@asianpersuasion4901 Separating the Angel and Gorilla half? This is Vergil and V all over again.
When she talked about how the chat acted like kanata's parents and then asked what she was to them all I thought was that the asacoco got to her and chats head and that coco shouldn't make the Gorrila pay
"shouldn't make the Gorilla pay"
Words to remember in life, words to live by.
That comment made me wonder how many times she met Kanata's parents.
On one hand it's frustrating to know that the higher ups are so restrictive...
but on the other she HAS done 2 or 3 pubic hair removal streams...
Its like a weird feeling knowing that they're restricting her creative ideas, but knowing that if they didn't restrict her, she might just do something that could just straight get her channel deleted. I am honestly surprised the Pubic Hair streams even got pass them at all.
@@soragami6247 TH-camrs do much worse things on the platform without getting "deleted". if you think what these girls come up with is bad, you must not have seen the rest of TH-cam at all. Hololive and most other talent agencies in Japan being restrictive is only a bad thing, mostly rooted in antiquated tradition and 'the proper way to do things' and public opinion et cetera.
The problem is it's a combination of old ideology and TH-cam being TH-cam
This platform no where near perfect
@@loveisinportant5570 most of channel that do yabai stuff is either not monetized or simply because youtube havent noticed them yet, and dont forget youtube is being youtube, they are random af like naked yoga is ok but anime tiddies isnt, some of hololive channel already got demonetized and shadowban that forced them to censor stuff and play safe
The pubic hair removal is actually pretty safe if you think about it
the only graphic thing was coco's drawing on where she was using the machine, but the drawing was basically a stickman with no details on her private areas so that by itself is also pretty safe
She still has the $9K bed if things went south. Knowing her Fanbase now. She's not going to be broke.
How much you think you can resell that for? '9000 dollar bed complete with real dragon idol skin cells and sweat'
@@Nowolf Real Kiryu Coco's $9,000 bed. USED.
Only the used part will double its price.
Well if she sell it online some of us would not mind paying how much it cost because Coco have slept in it in a sense some of us Will Pay very very high just to get our hand on such merch
@@fhillipus8360 and other countries too not
Man, if that bed ever get into sold. The price will be hilariously soaring high since its the idol bed and her fanbase will lose their mind to get it.
Honestly it's pretty hard to fight with corporate companies, especially with matters about copyrighted material.
One of the most frustrating things regarding corporations of any kind, especially in entertainment. Since copyright law is super outdated and many companies out there are taking advantage of that
@@mattehyew9110 Copyright laws aren't outdated, it's doing exactly what they where made for, money.
@@ghoulbuster1 Yeah, how can they be outdated when they get updated once every 20 years or so? :-) The next update should be right around the corner, too.
Yeah yeah, I know that there are more issues aside from Disney lobbying to protect their Micky Mouse. XD
@@earthbind83 I hope they get updated, because iirc they still kind of assume that content must be produced/redistributed by a larger entity or corporation.
I dont know the full details since Im NOWHERE near an expert, but I think the gist was that they only work back when self publication was impossible.
some companies even kill their products by destroying anything that talks about them through over abusing copyright, so nobody ever gets to know their shows
Katekyo Hitman Reborn, extremely popular, gets all videos of it shut down, nearly completely dies in less than a handful of years
It’s so disrespectful that some people suggest to Coco that she might become a bother to Kanata.. Coco and Kanata are friends, and those people don’t even know any of them irl, they should be ashamed of interfering in someone’s real life like this.
Yeah like, the girl who literally spent 700$ on coco is surely just a "work friend" and not a close irl friend
The logic of some is just baffling
It's probably the same trash that consider it leeching for someone to collab with a more popular streamer.
I read that as brother instead of bother and I was confused on how it was offensive
@@asdjklghasr remind me back then when people used to say this kind of things to Kanatan before as she's always with Coco.
Welcome to streamer/viewer parasocial relationships. People know what's best for the streamer better than the streamer themselves.
I like the idea that people imagine Coco has just been burning money or spending it on drugs this whole time.
All that pizza and Adidas clothing. Pizza is expensive as fuck in Japan.
@@JohnnyInJapan Why?
Asacoco doesn’t grow on trees!
There's a phrase in japan. "Human 50 years, Idol 5 Years". That remind everyone that idols are just a small part of their life.
Good thing COVER is an Entertainment Company and they're Comedians not Idols :^)
Wait it's a real saying? That's both kinda funny and sad
@@IsTheOrderASapling Idk if its a real saying but in Japan entertainment industry, idol is like the bottom of the ladder. You are not expected to stay as an idol forever but rather branch out to actor or singer, etc... Idol is when you learn the basic in entertainment industry. And if I'm not wrong, AKB48 can be considered a school for people wanting to start in the industry, that's also 1 of the reason why it's called graduation, graduation from the school.
nah, kizuna ai still there, i think virtual idols can stay at least 10~15 years, coco is a special case, but i hope hologirls stay much longer.
I just hope us Overseas Bros and The EN members can convince the stiffs that entertainment makes more income than the idol side of the industry. Here's to hoping Hololive sticks to entertainment and last for decades to come 👍
The title makes the content of the video seem way more ominous than it actually is.
Clickbait for views, its still a thing unfortunally
Yeah Yaku seems to be getting more clickbaity with the serious tags. It's a shame, they used to be more responsibly used, whereas this is just maliciously mispresenting a playful joke in a way that can give an entirely wrong impression of the people involved. If this development continues it's probably best to drop this translator.
Can't wait to read the comments and see who did and who didn't watch the video
@@Colopty How is it clickbait when it's virtually a quote from the video? Coco says it playfully but it's pretty clear it's something rooted in reality. Anyone paying attention knows Cover management is being much more careful than before, and it's up to fans to make their own judgement on whether it's a net gain or net loss (aka whether the prevention of drama and attraction of sponsors outweighs the stifling of creativity)
@@chosone2 lol if not they got same same tag/same title premise, peoples will not think this video clickbait. Just take a look Coco video in this channel
Tbh, I really don't feel like Coco was trying to talk bad about cover. Yeah the restriction is annoying, but at the same it's not like they don't have any reason to be paranoid. After all, TH-cam be attacking for no reason.
Agree, remember copyright disaster? antis attack? Etc..
Management try to prevent that happen again, it might be to strict for talents but something that should be done for a reason
yeah i mean after all, this is the dragon who forcibly shoved a buttplug up marine's butt live in 3D, twice.
@@Okatogurui and shaving pubic hair live 🤣🤣
Yea, being in any organization there has to be rules to prevent unwanted stuff from happening so it's understandable that it's less free than being independent. She's just stating the truth. I don't get some people who blame it on cover
yeah this video actually isn't really that serious
So glad they let her keep her channel and twitter active. The ability to rewatch old Coco vids when I miss her is helping take the edge off her graduation
“Not everyone may end up being able to go out like me…” Damn straight. D̶e̶a̶t̶h̶ Graduation can be as sudden as “Please wait for my return.” after a short “break”, and never coming back.
With Coco, we had a month’s notice. The most telegraphed punch to the kokoro ever. She had plenty of time to make it abundantly clear that she was leaving on her own terms, and that everyone had time to mourn when the announcement was made so that they could see her off with smiles on their faces.
Nothing is more tragic that not being able to say goodbye.
I’m glad I was able to get the sadness out of the way early so I could truly enjoy the last streams. She and all the other hololive members really eased the fans into it and helped this go down easy.
For real, man. In real life too, but way more common with Vtubers. Been watching a variety since the early Kizuna Ai days and I can't count on both hands the number of vtubers with sudden retirements. Kinda makes you sad, missing their last stream, or never getting to superchat as planned. Sometimes you're left wondering if they got blackmailed, discouraged, tired, exposed, whatever. Not trying to gatekeep being sad lol but I personally feel fine with how the graduation worked out. Made a lot of memories, and $ too :)
being a ̶h̶e̶r̶o̶ idol is a limited-thing
when you grow up, it gets hard to call yourself one.
-probably emiya kiritsugu
Now I want a Manager EMIYA alongside an Idol Illya or Irisviel.
Get that overgrown kid out of my face.
Wise words from a mass murderer
You spittin
@@netomoreira3525 …
On one hand, I don't really like the restrictions, on the other hand I can understand why they are there
yes and it is greed.
@Mog Gles
People like you really forgetting that YAGOO is trying to make a serious idol company
@@AethernaLuxen to be fair, "serious idol companies" are ethical nightmares that burnout young women and farm incels for their unemployment cash
As someone that actually lives and works in Japan, I can pretty safely say most idol companies are ran by subhuman scum.
@Varda
YAGOO doesn't seem like a bad guy tho
Yeah, one fatal mistake can cause damage to the whole company, and their talents. With coco nature, the staff there would be cautious, the geezer would be even More cautious usually. Thus born the overreactive over coco's stuff. Annoying it is. But the worries when coco finding a loophole that could cause the antis to ruin cover would be disasterous to all of the people connected to cover corp.
Gaaaaah!! I wanna shout to cover to just let coco do her thing, i believe in her. but these different pov as viewer/supporter, pov of the streamer, and those who run the company is bugging me :((((
You know, wording it like that makes me feel a tiny bit sorry for management. It sounds like they have PTSD.
“Oh, you want to ‘play a video game’ huh? And at what point does that turn into live naked pole dancing with ProjektMelody huh, huh?!”
With TH-cam keep banning stuff like what happened to Yozora Mel I'm not surprised. She's getting banned for no freaking reason.
That's why they have to be creative like haachama xd ♥
I think her recent stream with Reine shows management has a right to be worried
@@jtosety It's fine. F management. They old and out of touch.
@@yagooatthegoat i am so worrie right now for Haachama, I think she has the same problem with the management and may graduate soon, not because of those antis, but because of management. :((
"Like, how do you find out if i'm doing well or not ?" you gotta wait for youtube algo doing is magic there Kaichou
Thumbnail and title: only 1/4 of the actual video
...actually thanks for translating a long segment of Coco chat streams, these are always appreciated
another loophole could be that while Kiryu Coco belongs to Hololive, the purple monster was a fan creation so unless they purchased all the rights she's probably good to use it afterwards.
Coco: Let's talk about positive stuff now.
Also Coco: Vtuber idols lifespans are short aren't they? The end comes for all of us one day.
Pain peko.
It felt a bit like being lifted off the ground, only to get choke-slammed immediately after.
Memento *Mori* I guess. But at the same time, Memento *Coco*
Thing is vtubers don't need to have a short lifespan as they are in the youtube/twitch sphere sure many contend creators peaked at one point or stopped because of reasons but then we have people that just keep on existing and doing fine. I mean lets take AVGN for example James is around since the beginning of youtube (heck even before) and still has a lot of engament. Or someone closer to hololive in Anitube circles with the Trash taste boys. Vtubers might reach a peak but that doesnt mean they are a replaceable commodity.
Virtual Idol lifespans are short?
*laughs in Hatsune Miku*
@@Blutwind They are compeletly replacable as they've become a dime a dozen. The magic of a vtuber has long since passed. Anyone but the most devoted of zealots know that the only different between a vtuber and a twitch girl streaming is the 2d image used as an avatar. Enjoy the fad but it's very obvious that the vtubers aren't going reach the heights that other streams get.
She burned short but bright, and that's more than a lot of talents out there can say. Godspeed, Coco.
"Not many people may be able to go out the way like me"
"Better too short than too long"
-Stobe the Hobo
reminds me of "better to burn out than it is to rust." -e3n
Ahhh... We'll miss her for sure, she sure left a mark, more like dent, no, she scarred Hololive leaving it with PTSD, and I wouldn't have had it any other way.
KiryuKai Forever brothers.
"The Kiryu-kai are really good at finding loop holes"
Of course we are we learned from the best anyway
7:23 as somebody who’s sadness has affected them at work, it feels good to hear Coco say this. It’s also good that they agreed to have her channel stay up as I’ve just not had enough time to watch all of her recent content.
That mountain of superchats building up in the background at 7:45 - there's so many in the pile that the physics are lagging 😂 I don't think we have to worry about her financial well being after Hololive
Yagoo is appreciative to coco and he would always welcome her back anytime
They went from "stay away from coco you leecher" to "stay away from kanata you leecher"?! Damn, lol
Yeah some "fans" can be real trash.
@@asdjklghasr I mean, if they're saying stuff like that, can you really call them fans?
@@lukakatunaricskaro Unfortunately, they are. They're even the ones that are the most involved to unhinged degrees. You can find them hiding inside the ''protect muh smiles'' brigade, deep deep down their ranks.
Leecher?
@@aberrationeech.1838 Somebody correct me if I'm remembering wrong but during Coco's boom with her AsaCoco and how fast she's gaining subs(note that this was during the time when even reaching 100k was already a big deal) some people were saying Kanata is just leeching off Coco's success which obviously aint true.
Come on managements, Coco won't do something crazy like that... Only hair removal streams and saying _-madafaka-_ weather hackers on stage with thousands of people watching xD
Coco is truly lucky that all of her hard work and her archive will remain. I wish the same would happen to a certain Nijisanji's art student too
They said they will at least keep the archive for 6 months, and beyond that is also under consideration. So there's still hope.
TH-cam Demonitezation: I like to fuck up everyone for no reason.
@@freakdeath1020 You tell the AI that mate.
@@saika2023 Didn’t they say they will keep all everything except the members which goes on for three months post graduation?
The Eldritch Horror im gona miss her
"all things end"
Yeah, we've been thinking about this for a while, that's why I'm so happy that I got to cherish all those moments
The day Kanata gives Coco money is the where the stock market crashes severely.
Already are.
Markets are already crashing and hyperinflation
Preceding Poverty Tenshi
That's the price you pay, I suppose, for the reach of a company like Cover. Some people thrive under a system, others do not. Independence is less restrictive, but it's also scarier and you're less protected. Who can say whether she would have really 'made it' without Hololive, but I guess it's time to move on. I'm glad there aren't too many hard feelings.
agree.
well we could say 'correlation does not equals causation'
>hololive
>protection
there wouldn't be a coco without hololive so maybe under a different perosna like with her old channel but thats completly different content so she wouldn't be the same.
@@theultimateevil3430 Note that protection doesn’t just mean trolls and antis. Things like copyright, permissions, monetization etc. Seeing as how copyright is such a bitch in Japan, being in a major company makes it easier to get permissions from copyright holders than if you were an indie. It’s also easier to deal with strikes, takedowns and demonetization if you have backing.
And they’re much better about trolls and antis now then they were back during the unpleasantness. At the least, China bots are less of an issue now and there are better protocols. In a way, Coco also made a difference albeit indirectly.
@@theultimateevil3430 go back to 4chan
True "OK Boomer" moment
“I’ll do something dangerous again”
*casts a sideways glance at Taiwan*
“we do a little trolling”
There's a whole laundry list of topics you can talk about
-Winnie the Pooh
-Tibet
-The Dalai Lama
-that whole genocide thing they're doing
Turns out the more oppressive your censors are the easier you are to troll
I hope that after the positive reaction they had with Coco's graduation it becomes a staple for hololive or even Vtbers in general...
What is ur pfp
@@chrisitzsimple4649 is Dio without nose.
Coco: "They're way too suspicious of me"
Me: I mean... i would too? XD
LMAO hahahahaha true
2:46
"Commit tax fraud lol"
This guy gets it
that’s how the feds get you when you’re in the criminal underworld
Your title and thumbnail make it seem like Coco actually really hates management, when in actual fact, that's not the case. Very misleading.
Edit: they changed the title and thumbnail to something more fitting (which is a good thing), so my above comment is no longer relevant.
Sadly, this is becoming the norm with these vtuber clippers and translators. There's a fuckton of them now so I can't really blame them because it's how you play the youtube game.
That's why it's called "click-bait", hate it too but it's the norm
Because she doesnt like management and is pretty open about it, its not misleading you just dont like seeing Cover in a bad light, just admit it.
@@srkares the source is "insider leaks" from 4chan and popularized by our beloved Narukami Sabaki
Gotta love these guys, they will still be around even when Coco departures
Isn't it you who came to that conclusion though? It's not exactly clickbait when it's virtually a quote from the video
lool that supachat at 0:39 dropping the breadcrumbs
She won't be broke, I'm pretty sure Tatsunoko's already know her second channel and gonna flood her with red superchat too
The alternate dimension channel.
I checked her latest video, its less people but they're more engaged.at least thats what it felt like to me.
Migration has already begun...
@@succmama1039 It's more of a "balikbayan" (Filipino, homecoming) than a migration.
@@succmama1039 what's the new channel
"The management is always suspicious of me"
You know, I find that really easy to believe. . .
I don't understand the culture of pretending that a vtuber never existed once they graduated by deleting almost every trace of them, it's good that Coco is breaking away from that culture
usually its the streamers themselves who decides if the archives/tweets get deleted or not.
Its not really a culture though.
If its an indie vtuber then is mainly dependent on their own personal whims. Those that chose to wipe everything might want a dissociate from it (maybe due a to change of career or drama) and want a clean start.
If its a company owned Vtuber then is mainly dependent on said company. I don't know how smaller Vtubing companies operate but the bigger ones like Hololive and Nijisanji allows the Vtubers to chose for themselves (unless something like leaving on bad terms were to happen)
You would see the old channel spammed with grief comments despite the said person already moved on to another persona, for instance. It's not for every case but most probably want to disassociate from the past to start stuff anew. (even now that already happened a lot, if you visited the talent's other channel)
The brand belongs to the company but requires the talent to be of any use, so in the usual cases where graduations aren't amicable like this there is no business value in leaving the content up. It's less of a culture thing and more about the business model of agency based vtubing where there are many parties involved and a business relationship or contract dissolves. Not defending it, just being pragmatic about why they often delete channels etc
@@dimmerlights why would that matter at all?
You wonder why management are suspicious of you.
Yet you are known for mischief and chaos. It's why we love our adorable chaotic dragon 🐉❤️
I think her comment is more of "They think I'll go that far so they restrict me for that when actually I don't even want to go that far"
Rather than the management is strict, they're way too lax they set the boundaries way too far than Coco even think of.
Probably goes, "Can I get the permission to do something a bit out of the norm?"
"... You don't want to do *redacted wild imagination* on stream right??? You can do anything else but don't go that far!!!"
"I just want to do something wholesome..."
"Oh, ok go for it."
0:38 this cheeky guy. tsk tsk
"My only wish is that everyone is happy"
Yeah, I can grant that.
0:39 That SC tho
Kson ONAIR.
That's her personal streaming channel if you didn't know.
the way i see it is that im sad she will no longer be here with us, but logically speaking shes made a shit ton of money and honestly im pretty happy that shes not gonna have to deal with antis and shitty viewers anymore. but a lot of other vtubers arent as successful as coco so id imagine they will still need to hustle after they graduate
The management can be strict and all, but I'm thankful, that Coco is able to end with a bang. They let her keep everything she has made (not the membership's stuffs because it's yt), and doing everything (almost) before she goes, her new outfit, merchs, hologra, etc....
In the end the management just care for her too much, like an overprotective parent lol 🤣
7:05 The Kiryu-kai memebers are experts at finding loopholes
We were teached by the best after all
Ig in the end there are faults in both side. Coco is strong, the type that won't let ppl tell her around. While Hololive just got serious PTSD from all the previous dramas antis problem, plus Hololive is getting bigger and bigger so they are just trying to play safe. In a better world, things could have worked out but we are living in such a bad timeline where everything can go wrong, did go wrong
hololive didnt get big by playing safe dude and i dont know what you meant by faults on both sides, what did coco do? hurt chinese feelings?
@@moggless Coco being too headstrong for a company setting. From a social (meaning publicity for lots of law related things, the fans and other companies) business perspective, rules are set to far from ‘the worst’ to ensure that when one does walk the boundary, it would be acceptable and tolerable. And no need to generalise.
@@moggless oh another coco "white knight" who knows nothing about hololive. Did you hear conspiracy theories recently and want to join in? 🤣🤣
@@comradeofthebalance3147 no offense dude but you just sound like the geezers that coco is talking about in this video. im sure coco is professional enough when to not cross the line more than old men in suits. have more faith will ya.
@@moggless Ah but you need to factor in possible things that may arise by coincidence. Like with the youtube analytics, the analytics they do know is more 'controlled' in the sense they don't pull it up or else a trigger excuse like what happened with Coco (and Haachama/Haato). 'Knowing not to cross the line' is not good enough justification for discounting the possibility of crossing the line. Unless you are talking about near complete freedom, you would misunderstand me. We set rules and follow them. Sure go over a bit and come back but not too often. If it is too restrictive, raise the bar but just enough necessarily. We don't set the bar at the edge, we set it before the edge. This is management. Cover Hololive seems to have a high bar but not enough for Kaichou. When rules are set laxed, we take it for granted and we demand more. That is the problem. They will learn to be more lax, but for now it seems not necessary yet and as a whole learn discipline. This is a common management policy I see and work under in SEA.
"The end comes for everyone one day"
I felt that in my kokoro, Kaichou.
The same people worried about Coco's financial situation very likely earn less than what she earns on her other 2 channels where she gets to keep everything after the TH-cam paycut, and when she graduates a lot of her fans will transfer over - in fact, many already did. Pretty silly to worry about her on that aspect.
The worry is because while her current content is huge and well produced, its because Hololive is backing it. After Hololive? things will be very different. She may try her Kson Onair channel, but it won't reach the 30k+ viewers every stream like she got now. Being independent isn't easy at all.
But she'll manage. There is not need to worry like those people are worrying.
@@abnnizzy Hololive is backing, yes, but that also comes with lots of strings attached, like not being able to behave in certain ways, censoring their creativity like what happened with Haachama etc. She loses corporate backing, but gets more freedom and higher percentages, plus a schedule she gets to make.
@@LemonRush7777 Yeah, thats a pro. But higher percent with less income will get her even less money than she is making now. But she'll be happier, I guess.
@@abnnizzy I'm honestly not so sure she will really make that much less money. I think that when you equate the pressure relief from less activities and expectations, this will only be a net positive for her. Besides, she is the second or third vtuber whose identity is entirely not a secret (thinking about Tamaki and Kizuna Ai) meaning current fans know where to find her. Obviously not all will and a portion of those may not transfer to long term support of her Kson persona, but I predict a sizeable portion will stay loyal. And remember: she will still stay ahead of several indie or semi-indie in earnings. Hell, she will likely beat some of the Holomem and a lot of Nijisanji streamers on that front.
We also have no idea what exactly she has planned. Will she just continue vtubing with her alt model? Will she join a vtuber agency as staff or even create one? Will she start a company that offer services for vtubers? All paths are open to her, and she is a sufficiently gutsy lady to prevent preemptively discarding any option.
0:53
That one guy in chat speaking like Kaichou gonna die after graduation
“I love you 3000 Kaichou”
While I'm sad about Coco graduating, I'm also excited that in the future, we might be able to see Coco without any restrictions. Coco as her own manager would be incredible!
Coco really setting up example even till the last moment. I can see her grand month of graduation will be a standard or tradition of some sort for the next holo that will graduate/retire eventually.
This will give the other member and the fans time to cope and sending them off with smiles and blessings in the hopefully far far future.
I do hope management loosens up on the restrictions. They are there to protect the talents but if it goes so far that you lose one then you’ve probably said no to one too many things. Like I’ve seen Asacoco and unless Coco was really ramping up the yabe everything in there was fairly safe(obviously not kid friendly but youtube is FULL of creators that do far worse and are fine, this isn’t TH-camKids). This applies to pretty much everything Coco does honestly.
Yeah but the Talents did know what they were getting into when they signed up. And like coco isn't getting kicked out shes doing it by choice. As for her yabe ness she defintely had been ramping it up over the months so I guess even though she new their limits thought that its their fault for not letting her break the rules? Its a confusing stew but I still love her
Seeing what happened to filtyfrank pewdiepie and a lot of other large channels adpocalypse and all. I dont think TH-cam is as free as you think
@@gizunoglunmig0801 That’s the thing that makes it unfortunate for me. There is, as far as Coco knows, no concrete “rule” that stops her from making the content she wants. She sends ideas to management and they say no and give her a case-specific reason, so it’s kind of ambiguous. And these restrictions are fairly new so I don’t believe she fully did know what she was signing up for. I just believe that while Cover is well within their right to put these restrictions up(and that some restrictions are a good idea), and other talents don’t go nearly as far as Coco does, that they are unnecessary to an extent. Again, this is based off of Coco’s past content and I have no idea what she was trying to do so far.
@@everafterra That’s fair but FilthyFrank was a lot less safe imo. And considering the channels that are successful today like MoistCritikal or Idubbz or like the Paul bros and stuff, I feel like more gets by than people give credit for.
@@jibibi9109 and I don't think those channels will get sponsorships or collabs from redbull or disney soon. We'll see if Kson really want to turn into those kind of channels I guess
This really is the best possible way for her to go, all of her catalog stays up, she's been able to do all these great streams this last month, allowing us to enjoy and prepare for this last stream.
People needs to understand that every member of Hololive makes more money than most of us. Tho i understand why that would be worrying. Then again she speaks english so her potential is limitless anywhere she goes.
I imagine a lot of the fear from people comes from the ambiguous numbers. We hear about how TH-cam takes a cut and cover takes a cut, and they’re salaried, and because none of those cuts and numbers are given to us, No matter how much they make in sc people will still tend to worry.
4:32
"3 days left for what, coco?"
Oof. At least I knew and had the entire month to appreciate and prepare.
Hololive's structure and management: exist to protect the members legal threats and insure their and their channel's safety. Allow some things that are pretty yabei or very unconventional for Japanese groups, with most of the restrictions we've heard about being things that are admittedly skirting the edge or outright dangerous to the member's health.
Fubuki: has stated that she will refuse to go along with anything she doesn't agree with, and would call out and leave Hololive without hesitation if she thinks it's going too far.
Coco: leaving on good terms and even got the super shy CEO to agree to an interview with her, with said CEO even giggling while Coco was being her over-the-top self.
Antis: work to tear down anything Hololive and report shit in large quantities to force youtube's attention on anything remotely against guidelines.
TH-cam: has a history of heavily biased enforcement of rules, usually siding against Hololive and has given quite a few bans, shadowbans, and demonetizations against Hololive.
"Fans": fuck Cover! They're stopping creative freedom and forcing them into doing things they don't want! All they care about is money and don't give a fuck about the talents!
Yes, Cover can be over cautious about things. But given their history with attacks on their talents and the regular attacks against the members channels', it shouldn't be surprising. But we also have seen that they explain to the girls why they can't do it, and have worked with them to try to safely do the things the want (such as with the Haachama/Haato series). There are several Holomems that escaped the toxic idol industry that are still choosing to work with Hololive, even after seeing some of the heavy-handed responses and being targeted by antis. Fubuki asked us to trust her about the quality of Cover and how it treats the members, and she has been nothing but understanding of the management and the situation. Trust the girls on what they think of Cover and how things are managed, not gut response anger and expectations set by other corporations.
Coco: how am I supposed to tell you if I'm doing well?
Me: **laughs in cursed knowledge** I'll know.
Everything ends. However, legends never die. And Coco is a legend. In both contexts of the word.
If there's ever going to be a vtuber hall of fame, Coco would be first on that list.
Even to the very end, she still looks out for us. Gotta be the best dragon waifu.
I feel like you took the convo to another level lmao. Made it capable of raising unnecessary, wrong ideas and comments. It could be misleading and I know(more like I hope) that is not your intention, but be aware: small things like these topics are enough to make you make an entire video, now imagine how easy it'll be for someone to use it against Coco's will. Not her, her will. That's important to notice. Talking about hololive administration like she did doesn't mean she wants people to think they're bad, actually, Im sure she wants us to focus on the things they do right. But putting it the way you do kinda focuses on the possible bad aspects. The hololive managers topic is only one example of many in the video. Im sorry this was long. Also, sorry if I conveyed negative tones, i do not mean insult or disrespect. But I dont want chances at more controversy around Coco. Now, goodnight lol.
Every journey has its final day, Don't rush
-Zhong Lee
Coco seems like the type to sell her bed before borrowing money from others
With how much she could sell hers for, that's more than most people's yearly salary. The auction price would be insane.
"$9000 bed, slept in and used by Kiryuu Coco, video evidence included."
Not that she actually would, she's more than fine with her savings.
Everything will come to an End, but I never knew it will be this soon
I just wish for much much longer to see Coco Kaichou
I can see her KSon_Onair channel grew tho. It wouldn't be much different except we can see her in the flesh than as an anime dragon girl
yeah, but I dont get why isn't there any yabai content happening in there at all, comparing to the Coco stuff
@@everafterra i she really hasn’t had the time to focus so much on anything but Coco. those kson streams are usually low key chill streams when she just wants to unwind and talk about whatever. might have some fun new stuff in the future
waking up kanata when she's late for stream is also a good source of income too
Considering the stuff Coco pulled (sometimes despite being told not to), I am not surprised she is being treated with suspicion.
Whether you like it or dont care about it, Coco pushed the envelope more than was perhaps appropiate at times (for any kind of general entertainment, not just "idols"). Ultimately it's expected to encounter such actions with a bit of hesitation and restrictions. Cooperation has to go both ways.
Anyway, Coco is doing just fine in her other ventures. She doesnt need Hololive to stay afloat. People need to stop worrying so much.
I wonder if I can call myself Kiryu-kai, Tatsunoko... I fell like i don't deserve it
I'm getting the image of one of those refused, contested proposals going something like this:
Coco: "So, I know in the past I've been told not to even talk about Melody, but she's kinda an elephant in the room now, especially since we're doing collabs openly with Vshojo. Why don't you just let me do one with her? Fans would love it!"
Management: "What does that really mean???"
Coco: "...eh?" (@#$%, here we go again.)
Management: "If that means you're planning on having a X-rated stripping stream with her, absolutely not!"
Coco: "What the @#$%?! First of all, something like that wouldn't be allowed on TH-cam in a million years. Secondly, she only ever does X-rated things on an entirely different site. Thirdly, how would I even strip down? My model obviously wasn't designed with intimate details, right?"
Management: "..."
Coco: "...*My model wasn't designed with intimate details, right?*"
So we can expect that in the future, when Holomems play Minecraft and meet Kanata and she suddenly chats in fluent English, we'll know in our heart who's behind the keyboard
Of course, Hololive is having so much PTSD from last drama event tho, that's why they had to do it extra careful this time
And yeah the TH-cam thing, one of the main reasons Hololive doing overprotective to their talent
Coco is able to go out on her own terms. That alone is more than enough for me to reach acceptance. Nothing's more heartbreaking than not being able to say a proper goodbye.
Those geezers at cover owe coco a lot for making hololive international
Man that last part she said about her stuff remaining made me think about the Spider-Man 2099 scene in Spider-verse
Just came to read the comments and laugh at people who know nothing about business.
I wasn't disappointed.
They'll keep praising Cover even if more members graduate for the same reason, its pretty sad to see.
@@geasstk1334 Please learn the basics about business.
True, I once in a believe when the 1st week of the announcement people distrust them when in reality these minority are just loud af and it seems that dramatical discussions forums manipulates the opinions shared within the forum and you hardly see a well thought considerate comments
I’ll like to give my thoughts on the tax fears by her older tatsunokos. Since a lot of comments are talking more about how much she earns and such, its precisely because she earns so much that gets them worried.
Not sure if the tax laws and rules are the same for US, EU, Japan and my own country. But from my understanding for my Asian country. We calculate the income tax payable this year based on last year’s declared income.
Meaning since in 2021 Coco earned an astronomical amount (especially this month right before graduation). Her income tax payable in 2022 is likely projected to be astronomical as well.
Hence the older Tatsunokos are worried because Coco will likely see a massive drop in her income in 2022, and they fear that the huge massive income tax bill might wipe out all her savings.
Of course we can’t know how things will go. We can just take comfort that Coco did declare herself to be quite a saver and not really spending much due to her hikimori lifestyle.
And working with her personal tax accountant, they can probably have a real close estimate of how much tax she has to pay in 2022 and she can set aside her pile of money for it.
To me this is strange like it's my first time hearing people are worrying over her tax after she graduates. Funneh meh...
it's not first time, she told before how much tax she had to pay next year that her income is in the red and how shitty the japan tax system is for TH-camr.
@@zeroanimation3956 I said "MY" first time
@@zeroanimation3956 eh in the red? she probably made 500k+ after youtube, cover and taxes are paid. she made 2.5mill according to playboard. unless she raked in heavy loans and cc she should be living pretty well in japan.
@@LCJammer I don't know how japan calculated their taxes and how many people had to pay, but to them youtube not count as job. Like you had so much money but you don't have job is suspicious.
@@zeroanimation3956 Also i belive Coco is a foreigner which means she has to pay extra
the whole management got PTSD by her Lmao
These managment people shes mentioning are gonna be the death of this company im 100% sure. Marine expressed her frustration and distress over stuff being cancelled in members only announcements before kaichou was even gonna graduate and that was a huge red flag for me. The company is dying from the inside out
Unfortunately the only way to fix it is by fixing TH-cam. I'm positive a huge chunk of the issues stems from TH-cam's inconsistent policies.
Nope.
Nijisanji doing yabai content and YT don't care.
It's 100% cover fault
@@idrilek they just like licking coporate companies boots instead of supporting the members, quite laughable considering the endless fucks ups management does monthly.
No it fucking isn't you mong lmao, they're objectively doing better than ever
@@idrilek Because Niji talents aren't targeted by TH-cam's AI lmao
Ngl the content seems much tamer than what the video title depicted
Company like hololive or cover should really stop hiring old people in this type of industry.
The entire Japanese industry is full of old ass conservative people like this. It's garbage and holds back real innovation and growth. They better take a long hard look at what THEY did wrong to get Coco to leave
Implying they're all old out of touch geezers. They're the opposite lmao, Cover literally started as an IT and VR game development company
It really hit me when coco said
All things has an ending
I expected more criticisms AGAINST the management in the comments' section ; found a bunch of pro-management ones instead. I guess Hololive had more puritan conservatives within its fandom than I thought. Either way, I'd like to point out that censorship benefits no one in the long term. You may be cheering for Coco's exit now because of the restrictions, but one day you'll find yourself on the receiving end of the same thing, and you won't like it. Guaranteed.
Hololive members regularly get demonetized over nothing, or minor things like too much cleavage, which rightfully gets management worried. Meanwhile, Coco brought a bunch of attention, viewers, and money in by actively pushing the envelope, which was highly effective but high-risk. Board members don't like risk, so it was inevitable that they'd butt heads. The real finger-pointing should be at TH-cam for its totally inconsistent enforcement of TOS that led to these restrictions in the first place.
@@Morrigi192 This. Imagine having naked yoga running around the platform, but 2D cleavage is a no-no.
@@Morrigi192 Management shitcanned Kanatan's super-tame news show where all she'd do is praise Hololive members for being awesome.
Want to explain to me why you think that was too spicy for TH-cam?
yaKUSA are experts at finding loopholes to everything
it really sounds like she really wants to graduate as soon as possible and that worries me the most.
shes graduating in 2 days i think so yeah thats why shes talking about it.
Opposite, she literally delayed the ending of this stream like 5 time's because she wanted to talk more
I'm just glad to hear that Kaichou seems to have good plans for future and will have a comfortable income to support her dragon-level lifestyle!
I can't blame management too much for being suspicious about Coco's ideas, she is the one who did a hair removal stream (i still can't imagine how that got the ok lol) and popularized swearing in english to the jp branch.
And regarding her being lucky about going out like this, not only she is lucky, but her fans are too. Everyone is able to have a lot of fun moments now and have time to prepare for it. There is also the promise of going out with a BANG with a final graduation stream.
The other graduations that come to my mind are the ones from Holostars. I am not aware of Suzaku's circumstances but Kaoru just suddenly announced off stream that he is graduating and Kira was a similar deal, suddenly announce that he is graduating and with no graduation stream. In a way Kira's graduation stings a little less than Kaoru's thx to the archives being intact, but what stings harder is knowing that Kira has been struggling with mental and physical health issues for some time and no one was able to help him.
Coco's graduation is due to various reasons, some of which are known, some not and some possible reasons have been denied, but it was her choice, and she was able to do a lot of things in the time before and on that regard she is really lucky.
2:22 as a matter of fact me and my old friend wanted to live together just to save on rent money since we were both loners and not that smart, however when he entered high school he suddenly became popular, plus we went in different high schools in different cities, so yeah, I haven't talked to him since april