Shaping metal with a Planer: Part 1
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- Using my "Antique" 1943 Metal Planer to make a precision 4 foot long straight edge.. In part 1 I take you through the setup and planing of the first edge of a Richard King 48" cast iron straight edge.. This restored planer lives in my home metal shop ( well it is a BIG home Shop :) ) . It is a great machine and is the last of the planers as they stopped making them a long time ago..
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I retired from a large aircraft manufacturer and was a maintenance mechanic. Our tooling shop had a Gray open sided planer exactly like that one but was built in 1942. It was huge, 45 foot long table and 90 foot long bed. It originally had a two heads on the rail, but one head had been removed in the 1960's and a Master Milling head from Hutchinson, Kansas had been installed. It would really get some looks when it was planing a heavy cut, an incredible 1/2" deep with a 3/8" step. The chips looked like a coil spring on a car. We had to resurface ours because the bed needed leveled and that left the table top out. The operator used a carbide tool to cut the top layer, which had work hardened, then used a scarfing tool to finish it off and that's what made the marks that are in yours now. I don't remember him ever using coolant when planing steel or cast.
These planers can't use coolant as it would get into the table oiling system... I have played around with making some bigger chips :) Not hard to do with this baby IF you can hold the work in place :)
Good to see the beast getting some love!
Thanks for sharing. I love planer work.
Can't put a value to experience. Thank you for sharing.
Love that planer. Such a beautiful machine.
I think so too!
Thanks for the great work Steve
that is quite something!! great machine and excellent presentation... thank you
Glad to see a new post. Looking forward to the next step.
Working on it!
Good to see and hear about your pursuits. Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
Hey mate from Melbourne, Australia.
I'm a Fitter & Turner and i haven't used a shaper since trade school 35yrs ago and im 53. They have all but disappeared when CNCs got a foot hold. They can be dangerous as hell if you're anywhere around the firing line. Good see you using one, ive never seen one like you have. Only machines ive seen is the head moves and the work table is stationary but can be rotated. Nothing wrong with old school 👌👍
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It’s therapeutic to watch.
I am anxious to see the rest of your project
Great stuff! THIS is why I watch TH-cam. I'm not looking to watch some guy CNC cut, then MIG a doily cosy together at double speed with time allowed for product placement. I got 2 thumbs straight up!
Thank you. I do have a cnc mill but it's not used very much... :)
I found a planer in a tumbledown shed near Redruth (I think it is gone now) would have loved to have been able to save it!
If you have a use for them they are great, if not they just sit around a lot.. But restoring old machines is almost always fun :)
Idk how TH-cam suggested this, but it was fascinating! Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Thanks for watching!
I have a Rockford here in the Uk . Nice compact little machines👍🏼
Very cool
I go into 1000 machine shops and dont remember seeing a shaper, but some of the old machines were remarkable, I started doing cnc repair 1995 and ony time and material was done on man mills and lathes, I had my own shop for 5 years but hated small business
My planer was made in 1943 and it is considered a modern one... Planers take up a lot of room and large mills took over all their work...
I can't believe how close that angle grinder is to the table! Why not juat clamp on a sacrificial mild steel bar to avoid chipping out the start of the cut?
Interesting. Like you said setup is the hard part . That's why I like having dedicated machines preset for different operations, of course you can't have it all but it's a goal to strive for. Happy Thanksgiving.
I agree
Very true!
Good job ! Thanks for sparring some time ..
Great video Steve, your inspiring me to get a metal planer someday. I still would like to see the plays you speak of they sound fascinating, I love history.
Unfortunately the only way is to buy a ticket, or join the cast :)
NavasotaTheatre.org has a slide show on the page that shows some of the plays we have done at the Theatre.
Nice work! Is there a reason why you don’t set it up right on the edge of the table and use the side slide to do the bottom in the same setup?
Yep, it is a limp noodle and to hold tolerances I have to hold it very lightly so as to not plane in a bend from holding it in place... Also the planer can't hold 1/1000 in 4 foot using the side head.... I've tried :(
Couldn't you media blast the rough casting prior to planing to reduce the wear on the toolbit and maybe make handling a little cleaner?
Oh you could, but it would not help. Soon it will come out of the stress release process with a hard shell on the whole piece...
The Bowie Knife?
I've been in the trade my hole life worked in many shops only a few had planers I did most everything except set up and operate one of those but In my tools I do have a nice Brown and Sharp planer gauge ,also do you have a milling head attachment ? thanks .
I also have a planer gauge and am probably one of a few left around that actual use it for it's intended purpose :)
No milling head, With the hydraulic piston I am afraid I would break a lot of tooling.
I was mighty surprised to see you cutting without any sort of fluid.
That is, until my brain ground into gear and I remembered you were cutting cast iron. Guess I didn't sleep as well as I thought!
Regardless of that, it's lovely to see you using a fine old piece of machinery like that. Excellent explanations and cautions throughout, which is good knowledge to have... although I sincerely doubt I'll ever have chance to play with a metal planer. It's a shame planers and shapers aren't still produced in any real quantity, as certain operations just aren't cost effective any other way. People tend to throw brute strength (i.e. CNC machine time and a million passes at thousands of RPM with a tiny tool) at any problem new or old. It doesn't tend to work out with anything designed prior to the modern machine era!
Planers like this cut dry on everything.... The table has a oiling system that would catch any other fluid.
That's wild! Very different than a shaper, for sure. It's a neat old tool, and I'm glad to see you running it.
Does a shear tool work on cast iron? They're good for a nice finish.
We have tried all kinds of grinds and the best overall is the one I show in the video... Everything from positive to negative and neutral grinds were tried and for cast iron the best we have come up with is the one I show... great finish and keeps the accuracy I need in the cut without clamping down the workpiece with great force...
Good to see you back at it. Nice job, that planer leaves a beautiful finish, doesn’t it? It looks like that was a pretty nice casting also, no voids or problems. It has to be nice working on something like that. Looks heavy enough though, I can’t imagine scraping in a machine and having to carry that straightedge back and forth to a granite surface plate!
I have done it and it is not fun... That angled one is a really heavy one!
Were these castings left outside in the rain and cold and hot sun for several years for “seasoning” to normalize the stresses before machining? I’ve read that the best engine blocks are left outside for that reason.
Sorry you have read an old wife's tale... There was a study done by the US Navy on stress relieving cast iron... They found leaving castings outside does almost nothing to relieve the internal stresses.. In fact that the only good method was to heat the metal to above or 1050 degrees ( IF I remember correctly) let them soak for an hour per inch of material and then step down the heat to around 600 over a number of hours. That is the way I stress relieve those edges in my digitally controlled oven.. In fact I relieve them twice. First when I receive them and then again after rough planning... Leave me an email and I will send you a copy of the study if you wish.... thanks for watching...
@@10swatkins Thanks for providing this very interesting info on the best and most modern way to stress relieve castings. It’s an old tale that no one has attempted to answer until now. Now I can put it to rest and learn more from your excellent channel.
How do you know that it's making contact with the table all along the T slot?
It's not.. remember this is a rough casting. Sort of like running a board through a jointer to make a straight edge, only upside down :)
@@10swatkins Oh, I see.
Well explained video, 1st view to this channel. that's a lovely shirt u wearing, which brand is that?
Thanks and welcome. Don't remember.. Wife always buys me shirts at Academy sports.
Opening was fine by me. I can watch a planer or a scraper go back & forth all day long. Try mounting the camera up above the cutting head sometime. :-)
I can't imagine throwing around that Angle straightedge without the help of a crane.
(Does Roy know you have his Starrett Square? That looks to be in pristine condition.)
Did you see the shots at the end of part 2?
26:57 - Time disconnect: Battery powered indicator on a planer!
The down feed screw is not all that accurate :) Had to find another way :)
I'm guessing it's an optical illusion but it looks like both of those parts are bent on the end closer to the camera
It's the camera mostly but there is a little curve to them, it's a rough casting and you have to mess with them a lot more than just a piece of material...
Touched in the middle because the metal isnt being held down in the middle.
This is not like a mill or anything like that ..... To get the accuracy I shoot for, .001 straight in 2 ,3 , 4 or longer, you can't hold things down tightly at all. Metal bends and stresses by the time I'm at the final cuts It is almost finger tight on all the clamps and relies on the cutting force of the planer ram holding the work piece against the head stop...
@10swatkins We screw ours down in a rail/jig that was made in house. Screws are horizontal. Ill upload a video I have from not that long ago.
where have you been for the last month ?
Well I've been around... Sometimes making videos is a real PITA. It take a lot of time and costs a lot to buy cameras and the like.. So when there is not a lot of interest or views and some people being triggered I just don't feel like it's worth the effort.
SO I've been busy with acting around the area and that has taken a lot of my time.. Two major rolls in the last 2 months really leave little time for editing...
Thanks for watching and wondering about me :)
@@10swatkins We finally got our theatre program back up and running after 'COVID' and a flood that took out our 30 year accumulation of props and sets. Insurance allowed me to start over and build set pieces that are versatile & interchangeable instead of the hodgepodge. Our late Summer production of 'Streetcar named Desire' was cut short 2 days before opening when our lead actress (Blanche) had a real life "Blanche Episode" ..... yea. Anyway, glad you're back in the shop. Don't let the Internet trolls bother you.
"I do charge by the screw", sure glad I don't have a dirty mind!
Who said I don't ???
Would at least cover the exposed ways when grinding stuff on there....
It’s French for spell checker
Why dont you use a milling machine instead of a planer to machine that. Where I work we have G&L horizontal boring mills and we also have a Cincinnati 20' planer but we always do a job like that on the horizontal. We only use the planer for large internal keyways and similar things.
Never had a machine big enough to to 8 foot long items let alone a 4 foot one :) I would also think it would be tough to hold .001" over 4 foot on mills that have unsupported beds...
@@10swatkins Our boring will travel 10' in X axis and it I would lay it on its side and shim it up like you did and mill the bottom first with a facemill. No problem to hold .001. Then stand it up and mill each side. Probably wouldnt take more than an 2 hours.
@10swatkins I operate a 25 ft planer. Rough out 24 foot steel bars for press brakes.
Its VERY difficult to keep a tolerance.
And when are you going to showoff your acting career. even a rehearsal would be cool to see.
Unfortunately Plays are really, really jealously guarded as to copyright... NO videoing is allowed of any part and putting something on TH-cam would be the kiss of death :( We have to pay a performance royalty for even a rehearsal if one person watches it and they are not a part of the play :( Best I can do is show you a few stills. I'm in several of the pictures on the slide show here, NavasotaTheatre.org
Tickets are on sale at NavasotaTheatre.org :) So you can come see the real thing :) Shows start December 2, 2021 for the show "The Man That Wanted to be Santa, by Pat Cook. I play Howard, a grumpy and funny as hell, Sherriff's Deputy that is driven Crazy by all the people barging into the office and especially by the Guy Dressed as Santa that we think is a Pickpocket...
You’re Not “planing” it. You’re “surfacing it.
What’s the difference?