Hello Friends! One quick and easy improvement I made to this system: I used the elbows from the kit and shortened the hose going from the vacuum to the cyclone. This made the whole unit a lot less cumbersome. Someone suggested PVC pipe instead, which is another way to go if you don't have the full kit.
Nice job. Do not worry about criticisms about using things like pocket holes or 7 ¼ saw blades. Do what works for you safely. There are so many great ideas on TH-cam that people share. You just shared another good one. Thanks
the best thing about the power block is that as you move the vac to different equipment you plug the equipment into the block. Turning on the power for the equipment also starts the vac and shuts it off when you are done. Safe and less noise when you don't need it...
Eric, very impressed with the simplicity of your build. I bought the same setup you have and have (as you probably did) watched a multitude of videos. Most guys wanted to build a piece of furniture for their system, that's OK. Me, I wanted to getter done and get rid of the dust ! Hats off to you....Keep makin chips. Thank you for your video.
I recently used the same kit to build my vacuum / cyclone cart. I used a length of home 2 “ ridged vacuum tubing between the cyclone and vacuum, using the supplied elbows and cut the supplied hose to make a gentle 45 to the top of the cyclone. I also added an iVac switch, so that, if connecting to a machine for repetitive work, I can just turn on the machine to activate the vacuum. As Eric noted, the suction is great and the vacuum stays largely clean.
@Palm Cottage Guy It's so funny that you mentioned this because I ended up doing the exact same thing yesterday. I used the elbows from the kit and shortened the hose. Much more compact now. So I ended up using a few more parts after all🙂
These were precisely the two improvement I was going to suggest. Personally, I'd probably add something to store and extension cable to as well so power/dust collection was all in one easy unit. That's because at the moment I have to set my shop up outside when I want to do things. Then again when I finally do start bringing the shop inside, I plan on a lot of tools to be mobile.
My dust collection system is similar. I will probably go to the furniture dolly in the future. The hose from the vacuum to the cyclone is always in the way, eliminate it by using pvc/ads pipe and elbows. The cyclone (not dust deputy) from Amazon is $$ cheaper and just as good. Word of warning, 5 gal. buckets come in different weights, heavy is better. The light weight buckets will implode when you least expect it. Very good how to video.
@Ray C Yes, I saw the cheaper cyclones on Amazon for around $25. I went with the DD because it received great reviews. The buckets I'm using came with the DD kit and are made to handle the suction. The hardware store buckets, I don't know... I've seen the larger barrel style buckets implode. I've also seen folks use a 5 gal. metal bucket instead.
Hey, Eric. I have a similar setup as yours. I switched out the small bucket for a 50 gallon fiber barrel. I got tired of emptying the bucket all the time. The power strip is a good idea but I recommend a wireless remote so you can turn it on easier without having to bend down or walk over to the vacuum. You can also have the vacuum set up in the corner and turn it on from across the room. Just fyi, I'm using the Fosmon C-10683 Wireless Remote and haven't had issues with it.
I made a cart like yours but I placed my vacuum bucket next to my shopvac. I also used a furniture cart. I think I’m going to reconfigure my cart to look like yours ... and save some workshop space. Thanks for your video.
Good Video and Advice Eric , i dont see any issues about Pocket Holes , They work and are Simple to use ive never understood why some people do Negate the use of them in the Woodworking Community
A good design with a small footprint. I made one to use as a vacuum sanding system for sanding drywall but I used a converted stroller with 14" bicycle tires for the cart. My bucket is in front of the vac so has a lower profile but it moves around easier. Another thing you can do is get a better bucket. As a drywaller I have mud buckets so I use them and as they are 90 mil thick there is no worry of collapse as some lighter 70 mil buckets. I also put a 10" disk of 1/8" plexiglas between the cyclone and the lid of the bucket for stability as I pull my unit around by the hose on the cyclone. The Oneida lid is not strong enough for that. I have 2 of these machines and have been using them for about 5 years with no problems.
I have my Dust Deputy connected to a 55 gallon steel drum. The suction it creates is unreal! I do have a wall mounted Delta dust collector that I use strictly for my planer as it has a 4inch hose.
@@EricSorensenCanada Trust me, I completely get it. I am constantly shuffling tools/lumber from one side of my garage to the other during projects. My nice work/tool bench next to my miter station looks like a filthy hoarders nest. Until I clean it up and do it all again.
Love this video. It's so important to know where you're likely to waste money. Even a great product by a great company, when put into a kit that is supposed to generically work with stuff you already have, rarely works well. Thanks for sharing.
Nicely done 👍 I find that naysayers are more often than not the ones who cannot think outside the box. I will always stand by my belief that simple builds are among the best. Always keep it simple.
I have a similar set up with a Rigid Vac and the same Dust Deputy, I just didn't build a dolly crate (my bucket is on its own dolly). The one HUGE thing that would really help any dust collection system like this is a remote power switch so you can power on the dust collection from the end of the hose where you have the tool connected. I had a pretty long hose set when I stripping the bottom of a fiberglass boat using a belt sander. The boat hull was inverted and I sat on top of it, the dust collection set up was on the shop floor. It was a pretty long trip from the shop floor up to the work surface to power on the Vac and then go fire up the belt sander so I resorted to using a broom stick to poke the on/off switch, lol.
I have the Oneida system and love it. I also made the same side-by-side mistake you made and built almost the same solution you did! The moving dolly is brilliant. I’m getting one.
@Hank Scarangella The casters on the dolly work so much better than the ones that come with the shop vac. Now the cart glides across the floor effortlessly.
Nice build. I made something similar but yours came out much nicer. I outgrew my homemade system doing a lot of commercial work and ended up going with a Laguna dust collection system, but for the money you can’t beat Oneida. Have you looked into a remote RF switch? Just keep the FOB on your belt and turn on your shop vac remotely! Again, well done.
@BlueLine Wood Flags Yes, I like the notion of having a remote. It might be overkill for me because I'm in a one car garage - but I might still look into it 🙂
Dust Stopper 29.00. Works with any 5 gal bucket. High quality hose included. Much lower profile. I have both this product and Dust Deputy, and the difference in performance between them is negligible.
Agree with the analysis fully. Just got my kit and looking at had decided not to install the casters on the buckets or bolt the bucket to the shop vac, instead bolt it to my shop table legs permanently in a corner. I still am happy buying the kit even though many things won't get used, because the kit came with all the stuff I do use and not having to go source a lot of those other things is worth the extra money. Saving $30 to have to spend over 2+ hrs sourcing and getting other parts isn't worth it (for me). So having decided all of that, it was nice to then find your video that came to similar conclusions.
@Minok1217 That's a good way to look at it. I did end up using the elbows in the kit to connect the cyclone hose to the shop vac. The extra cost was worth getting the time back for me. Plus I will always end up using the spare parts on something else - probably for a jig 🙂
@@EricSorensenCanada Yep, my thoughts too. I'll have 3 caster wheels and some bolts to use on some future project. The elbows (given the variations in hose diameters in the vac world) are worth it by itself. All I end up not using is the casters, their bolts, and the long bolts and foam block, and the o-rings as my rigid vac hoses seem to seat just fine without them. The rest I'm putting to use.
I love having my Dust Deputy. I have just the cyclone and a bucket from Home Depot on a plywood plate with wheels, that way my deputy follows me around my small shop while the Rigid vacuum stays stationary.
@Chris O'Bryan I could have probably saved about $35 on the kit by just buying the cyclone. Nevertheless, I love it's performance so far. There are so many great ways to customize it for any given workshop.
First great vid. I was getting ready to spend $549 on a Bosch 9 gallon dust extractor vacuum that would be an all in one unit. That said I noticed in the video that you have a Festool dust extractor. Do you not use that for this purpose? Another interesting observation is the difference between the Oneida Dust Deputy DIY Plus and the Deluxe you purchased. According to the comparison chart they provide with the parts numbers, the plus has a limitation of 50 CFM. Where the Deluxe model ranges between 50-150 CFM. All other information on the units are exactly the same. My conclusion is that they believe some doing DIY will not come close to their preconfigured Deluxe and use that number justify people spending the $99.
Outstanding video. I feel better about the dust deputy and I have a small shop that needs the same solution. On top of that, I have a Harbor Freight furniture dolly that will be perfect and I have some scrap plywood and 2x4’s so I don’t even need to buy any additional material. Thanks for the great video....
Thanks Bill! I am really happy with how much easier it is to cart the whole unit in the shop on the dolly as opposed to the casters that came with the shop vac. It's so much smoother. I also shortened the hose from the vac to the cyclone and used the elbows in the kit, so its all inside the cart, so it's more compact now.
Outstanding! I'm a beginning woodworker and have a small shop I'm building and I just bought the same dust collection system. My shop vac was on one side of the shop and hose ran across the floor to the dust collection container. Since I'm just starting to build my shop, I have ideas but needed to search for examples. Your video was on my Google news feed this morning and I'm ecstatic I clicked on it. You have provided a solution that works perfectly for my shop and saves additional space. I like the way you think and a subscriber to your TH-cam channel now. Thanks for providing an easy visual solution for something I otherwise would have spent hours planning.
I missed this video from you. Im right behind where you were on this video. Only difference is that I found a small cart on sale at Northern Tool within a few dollars of casters and wood cost. My cart accomplished the same. I even had the same HF furniture dolly.! LOL It's ok because I can carry hose and tools as well.. I have to tell you that I hate the casters on my furniture dolly. If I'd seen your video I would have made the same only with new better casters; Oh, I have a small shop and real estate is at a premium too . I really like the way you solve problems. Thanks so much for this video.
Good timing on this video. I have a small shop and am rearranging such that my fixed shop vac and cyclone will not reach some of the new locations. A cart like yours is just the thing for my setup.
I like that you showed what you were building and why up front, allowing me to decide if I wanted to watch the video. Those $11 dollys from Harbor freight are hard to beat for a light duty roll around. About the price of buying castors. The cyclone doesn't need a bucket to collect the dust. You could build a collection container that fits in the cart and would make a lower, more compact, assembly.
@kkarllwt . Since I already spend the money on the kit, I ended up using the buckets that came with it. Otherwise, yes, a custom container is definitely an option if you just buy the cyclone.
The problem I had with the same kit. First the system did what it is supposed to do and did it well. The first problem was the area, it took to implement it in my small 10’ x 12’ shop,
I bought the DD, a Pocket Hole Jig, and Furniture Dolly (from HFT) after watching your video.. I'd known about the PHJ, but your video convinced me to get one. Excellent video. I learned a lot for a beginner woodworker. Will implement the PVC pipe per the comments below. Another great idea.
@@EricSorensenCanada Any suggestions as to how to attach the PVC pipe to the Poly Ethylene (or are they Styrene?) elbows provided with the DD? Might use a couple of short (1" ) Drywall screws. Another idea is to mate them with Bondic.
I only ended up using one of the PVC connectors that came with my DD for the hose to the vacuum port. The other end of the hose attached just fine to the cyclone without any adapters. For some brand of vacuums / hoses you may need an adapter to attach the hose to the cyclone. You want to make sure you get a decent seal with your hose connections, otherwise you can lose suction. If you're sending an image link, use Facebook or imgur.com/
Love it. I’ve been thinking about putting something similar for my garage/shop and this is perfect. Great idea using the furniture dolly. Just happen to have a couple HF dollies laying around. They are dirt cheap on sale and they come in handy. Like the additional info from other commenters on this build as well. Going to look into the other cyclones that were mentioned. Thanks Eric!
I have the same vac but with dust stopper on PVC pipe in the vac accessory above casters. Use 2" to the vac casters and reduce to 1 1/2" to a plywood platform with 11 1/4" hole for the bucket.
@@EricSorensenCanada getting my cyclone this Monday and i keep looking at your video here. How set it up. Also i like the two bucket idea to stop it from collapsing. Hopefully all goes well for me!!
Liked. Subscribed. I appreciate that the tool noise in your videos is (mostly) quieter than your background music. I wish your fellow woodworking TH-camrs could figure that out.
A substantial bucket is required, mine collapsed into itself. I've added a 19mm irrigation pipe and tap to the lid, to allow more air in, from the atmosphere. Im taking sawdust from a bike and below my scrollsaw, using two clear plastic tube, joined with a 19mm irrigation T piece.
Great video! Super simple and extremely effective. I'm going to be doing something very similar for my shop vac. I'll probably be adding hard piping from the dust deputy to the vac instead of the flex though.
I have an almost identical unit. Built it back in 2011. Same Harbor Freight Furniture Dolly, Similar size vac Sears Craftsman, DD Cyclone. Really only three differences... extra length of hose, nozzle mounts, and vacuum connection rotated 90degrees so the suction hose does not stick out... oh yeah, some grab handles so I can lift it if needed... (I keep meaning to replace vac-to-cyclone hose with PVC pipes and elbows, but, it works great now)
Genius! This is the first video of yours I have watched and couldn’t help noticing the festool vacuum and was wondering the reason to have another shop vac? I don’t know much about the festool so thanks in advance for the explanation. Great video !
@Josh Havens I use the Festool dust extractor for my Domino Joiner, but it also works great with my Makita sanders.The Ridgid Vacuum is my old workhorse and I use the Dust Devil / Ridgid with everything else.
Eric. Why did you not turn your vacuum 90 degrees and have hose come up through opening? I have been using the Dust Deputy several years and love how it works.
Excellent design, one of the best I've seen. Your tips will help me avoid the mistakes. I can see some tweaks to improve it and anxious to build one like yours. Very inspiring, Thanks!
Eric, I've read that for table saws, shopvacs can't move anywhere near the volume of air needed to suck up chips/dust when the chip/dust source is located away from the machine collection part! It's apparently good for smaller machines and tools like sanders etc. but not for larger machines. What is your experience here?
My 12 Gal. Shop vac has plenty of suction for the table saws I use. Probably not for a big green machine or any of the larger cast iron table saws, i.e. Delta, Powermatic etc. For smaller garage workshops like mine, the Dust deputy does a good job. Also, you need to remember to change the filter. A lot of people forget that part then wonder why their shop vac isn't doing a good job.
I have a somewhat similar setup for a while already. Hope your plastic bucket will be rigid enough, in case the hose gets clogged up. Don't underestimate the suction/power the vacuum creates. I employed a used military grade metal barrel instead of a bucket. It needs to be emptied less frequently and you can ground it, should static power become too much. Seeing yours reminds me of redesign though, to make it take up a bit less space.
@J. H. The plastic buckets came with the Oneida kit and are designed for the purpose. They are tougher than the hardware store buckets, and the seal is perfect on the lid. A metal bucket is a good alternative if you don't buy the full kit. I've seen other folks use it - works great.
For the power, I can't recommend the DGC unit enough. Vac plugs into the vac plug and the tool plugs into the tool plug. Vac comes on automatically when the tool is turned on and vac runs for 5 seconds after tool is turned off. I mounted the cyclone on top of the vac with a simple frame and wired an extension cord to a single gang box on the frame. Not necessarily, just different. Enjoyed your video
@Al Ryan That's a great idea! I'll have to check those out on Amazon. I know the Festool CT dust extractors have this built into them but I think I'll get the DGC unit and replace the power bar for my Dust Deputy system. Again, thank, great idea🙂👍
So the size did make a difference. The second problem was being my shop is 10’x12’ the vacuum is way to loud. When I bought the vac it was advertised as a quiet vac. Yeh right I got a million dollars too. So I built a small enclosure outside of my shop to contain the both of them. The saga continues but I need not go further.
Leave the wheels on the shop vac and make a smaller mount for the cyclone. Put a 10lb weight inside the shop vac which will give it a much lover CG and it won't topple over.
The casters on the ridgid shop vacs are terrible. It moves around much better on the dolly casters and the cart only adds 8 inches to the footprint of the shop vac.
I have the same table saw as you. Have you ever had an issue with the blade not staying at 90°? It feels like my blade is moving after I cut. I have tried using an allen wrench to tighten it. Any advice?
@kurtis anderson You have to crank the dial fully clockwise (ignore the scale on the dial just go past the zero.) with one hand, hold it, and engage the lever lock with the other hand. I then check it for square. That works every time for me but yes, it is a pain. You also have to put pressure on the fence to ensure it stays square before you lock it. I am thinking of upgrading to a Dewalt in the future and selling mine.
@chasmj3 They make a killing on vacuum bags! I don't use the FT dust extractor that often (mostly for my sanders and my domino joiner) but I might just buy another cyclone and set something up down the road. Problem is, spare hoses from FT are hugely expensive.
Curious as to why you didn't mount them side-by-side on the dolly. It looks like there was enough room. Your cart looks like it has the same footprint of the initial setup, but now is much taller.
There's 4 inches clearance on either side of the vacuum barrel. Eight inches of additional space would not allow the 5 gallon cyclone bucket, which is 12 inches in diameter.... To fit them side by side on the dolly, I would need to add an a longer platform. The taller set-up is better, no bending down the empty the bucket.
Love the simplicity of this as I have a cumbersome cart set up now. I couldn't help noticing the cabinet/drawers you have @8:55 thru 9:22 on the right, that looks awesome! Did you make that from a set of plans?
How effective is this in comparison with a large motor/bag system? I thought the only draw between this and using a shop vac is that this keeps the shop vac filter cleaner? It doesn't effectively capture as much of the nano stuff, does it? My shop shares the house garage and there is a thin film of dust on everything.
It means you never have to buy vac bags again and it extends the life of the filter. It enhances the suction a bit but it effectively does the same job your shop vac will do. Have you tried blowing out your garage with a leaf blower? I do that once a month. I open the back window in the garage for airflow, open the garage door and blow it out from back to front. It works well.You'll want to wear a mask when you do it and put any tools away that might blow around. Of course it depends on where you live and how close you are to other houses. The neighbours might not love it🙂
Have to ask you why you would need this vac when I see you have a Festool CT vac under your bench. Isnt the Festool enough for the woodwork jobs in shop. I just bought a CT36 and was hoping I wouldin need another vac in shop.
A fair question! I use the ridgid vac and cyclone for most of my stationary tools because it's a cheap cyclone solution. For my hand-held tools (sanders, domino joiner, router), I use the FT dust extractor. At some point, I will probably upgrade the FT dust extractor with an FT Cyclone. Just buying adapters, hoses and accessories for the FT is ridiculously expensive.
I noticed that you have a festool vac and was wondering if you considered the Oneida "Ultimate Dust Deputy For Festool Vacs", and if so, why you chose not to go that route. Maybe expense at $300, but it seems to be the best option that I've seen so far as I am looking for dust collection solution, and I also have a festool vac.
@rond1962 rond1962 At that price you might as well buy the Festool Cyclone with systainer. It's only about $75 more. I only use the FT dust extractor for my sanders and my domino joiner. For everything else, I use the dust deputy / ridgid vac. Maybe one day I'll splurge on the FT cyclone.
Eric, thanks for the quick response! For what it's worth, if you do decide to get the systainer collector someday, I definitely recommend the Oneida over the festool. The festool definitely looks cooler but its design seems to be lacking and does not perform as well as the Oneida. There's a good comparison video on TH-cam.
@JT Long That would be a different kit and a different collection container at about triple the price. The Ridgid vac is actually really good for suction, so I use it for the big dust makers, router table, table saw, miter saw and general clean-up. Maybe one day I will buy the FT cyclone but for now, i've got other tools to buy.
It sounds like you need a more stationary / centralized solution. You can get a larger cyclone top for a larger container. Same principle, just upscale it. Mine is good for the standard ridgid dust ports but probably no larger than that.
Thanks Paul! Yes, I use this cyclone for all my stationary power tools (thickness planer, table saw , miter saw). I use my Festool Dust extractor for all my hand held tools (sanders, domino joiner etc).
@@EricSorensenCanada Perfect. Also thanks for the intro and tribute to The Master Woodworker, Bob Chase, watched five of his videos this morning and look forward to watching the rest. Great that his knowledge can be preserved this way and beginners like me can still learn from him. Fantastic woodworking legacy.
You can just buy any 5 gallon hardware store bucket and matching lid. They sell the cyclone kit on it's own: www.amazon.com/Dust-Deputy-Anti-Static-Cyclone-Separator/dp/B07YX6P48R/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Dust+Deputy+Anti-Static+Cyclone+Separator+%28DD+DIY+Plus%29&qid=1607009375&sr=8-1
I ordered everything to do the same myself, but realized when I got the Ridgid vac delivered that it is slightly wider than the dolly between the carpeted pieces (by about 1/2 inch). Just curious, how much clearance did you leave between the vac and the wood above?
@Ed Haskell That would clog the filter in no time. The cyclone uses the suction from the vacuum and dumps the debris in a separate container, making the filter last much longer. One bucket is just a holding bucket. The other is your dust and debris bin. All you really need is the cyclone and you can come up with a bunch of configurations from there.
@MrBubbajohnson1 No, the hose from the kit was too short to connect my Ridgid vac to the top of the cyclone. I ended up trimming a spare vac hose and using the elbow connectors to connect the vac to the cyclone. I bought the kit on Amazon.
Dumb question. I'm goign to build something very much like this. I'm not entirely sure why I am pre-collecting my dust before it just lands in the shop vac. Anybody able to explain easily?
It doesn't land in the shop vac at all. The cyclone system captures 95% of it and deposits it in the removable bucket. The only function for the shop vac is the air filter for the fine dust and the air flow / suction it provides. You will never need bags and your air filter (which is expensive) will last longer.
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Nice, practical and smart build! Not over thought or over-engineered. Perfect for 99% of small hobby shops.
Hello Friends! One quick and easy improvement I made to this system: I used the elbows from the kit and shortened the hose going from the vacuum to the cyclone. This made the whole unit a lot less cumbersome. Someone suggested PVC pipe instead, which is another way to go if you don't have the full kit.
Nice job. Do not worry about criticisms about using things like pocket holes or 7 ¼ saw blades. Do what works for you safely. There are so many great ideas on TH-cam that people share. You just shared another good one. Thanks
the best thing about the power block is that as you move the vac to different equipment you plug the equipment into the block. Turning on the power for the equipment also starts the vac and shuts it off when you are done. Safe and less noise when you don't need it...
Eric, very impressed with the simplicity of your build. I bought the same setup you have and have (as you probably did) watched a multitude of videos. Most guys wanted to build a piece of furniture for their system, that's OK. Me, I wanted to getter done and get rid of the dust ! Hats off to you....Keep makin chips. Thank you for your video.
This is a intelligent person that has good ideas.
I recently used the same kit to build my vacuum / cyclone cart. I used a length of home 2 “ ridged vacuum tubing between the cyclone and vacuum, using the supplied elbows and cut the supplied hose to make a gentle 45 to the top of the cyclone. I also added an iVac switch, so that, if connecting to a machine for repetitive work, I can just turn on the machine to activate the vacuum. As Eric noted, the suction is great and the vacuum stays largely clean.
@Palm Cottage Guy It's so funny that you mentioned this because I ended up doing the exact same thing yesterday. I used the elbows from the kit and shortened the hose. Much more compact now. So I ended up using a few more parts after all🙂
These were precisely the two improvement I was going to suggest. Personally, I'd probably add something to store and extension cable to as well so power/dust collection was all in one easy unit. That's because at the moment I have to set my shop up outside when I want to do things. Then again when I finally do start bringing the shop inside, I plan on a lot of tools to be mobile.
The furniture dolly was a great idea. Great job on this video.
My dust collection system is similar. I will probably go to the furniture dolly in the future. The hose from the vacuum to the cyclone is always in the way, eliminate it by using pvc/ads pipe and elbows. The cyclone (not dust deputy) from Amazon is $$ cheaper and just as good. Word of warning, 5 gal. buckets come in different weights, heavy is better. The light weight buckets will implode when you least expect it. Very good how to video.
@Ray C Yes, I saw the cheaper cyclones on Amazon for around $25. I went with the DD because it received great reviews. The buckets I'm using came with the DD kit and are made to handle the suction. The hardware store buckets, I don't know... I've seen the larger barrel style buckets implode. I've also seen folks use a 5 gal. metal bucket instead.
Hey, Eric. I have a similar setup as yours. I switched out the small bucket for a 50 gallon fiber barrel. I got tired of emptying the bucket all the time. The power strip is a good idea but I recommend a wireless remote so you can turn it on easier without having to bend down or walk over to the vacuum. You can also have the vacuum set up in the corner and turn it on from across the room. Just fyi, I'm using the Fosmon C-10683 Wireless Remote and haven't had issues with it.
@John McCarthy I love that idea but I unfortunately don't have space for a 50 gal barrel. The remote is a good idea too! Very innovative🙂
I made a cart like yours but I placed my vacuum bucket next to my shopvac. I also used a furniture cart. I think I’m going to reconfigure my cart to look like yours ... and save some workshop space. Thanks for your video.
Nice! Yes, I find I like the bucket on top. Saves my back when removing it and emptying it.
I like that you built it upwards. I get so tired of doing my work near the floor.
Good Video and Advice Eric , i dont see any issues about Pocket Holes , They work and are Simple to use ive never understood why some people do Negate the use of them in the Woodworking Community
@Craig Monteforte It saves time and it actually can save material if you use them right. Maybe a topic for another video...🤔
A good design with a small footprint. I made one to use as a vacuum sanding system for sanding drywall but I used a converted stroller with 14" bicycle tires for the cart. My bucket is in front of the vac so has a lower profile but it moves around easier. Another thing you can do is get a better bucket. As a drywaller I have mud buckets so I use them and as they are 90 mil thick there is no worry of collapse as some lighter 70 mil buckets. I also put a 10" disk of 1/8" plexiglas between the cyclone and the lid of the bucket for stability as I pull my unit around by the hose on the cyclone. The Oneida lid is not strong enough for that. I have 2 of these machines and have been using them for about 5 years with no problems.
Ecstatic I found this! Just hooked up my dust deputy, but the way they suggest you connect it is absurd. Love this idea! Easy. Great looking.
Building this today. Thanks for the video!
I have my Dust Deputy connected to a 55 gallon steel drum. The suction it creates is unreal! I do have a wall mounted Delta dust collector that I use strictly for my planer as it has a 4inch hose.
Good to know someone else in the world unitizes their table saw as a work bench. I am not alone!
It's what happens when you have 3 projects going on at the same time.
@@EricSorensenCanada Trust me, I completely get it. I am constantly shuffling tools/lumber from one side of my garage to the other during projects. My nice work/tool bench next to my miter station looks like a filthy hoarders nest. Until I clean it up and do it all again.
Love this video. It's so important to know where you're likely to waste money. Even a great product by a great company, when put into a kit that is supposed to generically work with stuff you already have, rarely works well. Thanks for sharing.
Nicely done 👍 I find that naysayers are more often than not the ones who cannot think outside the box. I will always stand by my belief that simple builds are among the best. Always keep it simple.
Thanks Terry! Well said and I couldn't agree more 🙂
When I make my own, I now have the good design to follow.
I have a similar set up with a Rigid Vac and the same Dust Deputy, I just didn't build a dolly crate (my bucket is on its own dolly). The one HUGE thing that would really help any dust collection system like this is a remote power switch so you can power on the dust collection from the end of the hose where you have the tool connected. I had a pretty long hose set when I stripping the bottom of a fiberglass boat using a belt sander. The boat hull was inverted and I sat on top of it, the dust collection set up was on the shop floor. It was a pretty long trip from the shop floor up to the work surface to power on the Vac and then go fire up the belt sander so I resorted to using a broom stick to poke the on/off switch, lol.
I have the Oneida system and love it. I also made the same side-by-side mistake you made and built almost the same solution you did! The moving dolly is brilliant. I’m getting one.
@Hank Scarangella The casters on the dolly work so much better than the ones that come with the shop vac. Now the cart glides across the floor effortlessly.
Nice build. I made something similar but yours came out much nicer. I outgrew my homemade system doing a lot of commercial work and ended up going with a Laguna dust collection system, but for the money you can’t beat Oneida. Have you looked into a remote RF switch? Just keep the FOB on your belt and turn on your shop vac remotely! Again, well done.
@BlueLine Wood Flags Yes, I like the notion of having a remote. It might be overkill for me because I'm in a one car garage - but I might still look into it 🙂
That is a good idea!! Simple but works, I have the same unit and wondered how make it compact!
Dust Stopper 29.00. Works with any 5 gal bucket. High quality hose included. Much lower profile.
I have both this product and Dust Deputy, and the difference in performance between them is negligible.
Gotta agree with you on that. I've had both, and for the money, this beats the pants off of dust deputy. I love the low profile, too.
I didnt read the 300 comments but a 7-1/4 bade on the table saw is a great hack for 90% of the cuts you make
Agree with the analysis fully. Just got my kit and looking at had decided not to install the casters on the buckets or bolt the bucket to the shop vac, instead bolt it to my shop table legs permanently in a corner. I still am happy buying the kit even though many things won't get used, because the kit came with all the stuff I do use and not having to go source a lot of those other things is worth the extra money. Saving $30 to have to spend over 2+ hrs sourcing and getting other parts isn't worth it (for me).
So having decided all of that, it was nice to then find your video that came to similar conclusions.
@Minok1217 That's a good way to look at it. I did end up using the elbows in the kit to connect the cyclone hose to the shop vac. The extra cost was worth getting the time back for me. Plus I will always end up using the spare parts on something else - probably for a jig 🙂
@@EricSorensenCanada Yep, my thoughts too. I'll have 3 caster wheels and some bolts to use on some future project. The elbows (given the variations in hose diameters in the vac world) are worth it by itself. All I end up not using is the casters, their bolts, and the long bolts and foam block, and the o-rings as my rigid vac hoses seem to seat just fine without them. The rest I'm putting to use.
I love having my Dust Deputy. I have just the cyclone and a bucket from Home Depot on a plywood plate with wheels, that way my deputy follows me around my small shop while the Rigid vacuum stays stationary.
@Chris O'Bryan I could have probably saved about $35 on the kit by just buying the cyclone. Nevertheless, I love it's performance so far. There are so many great ways to customize it for any given workshop.
Just made this. Thanks Eric. Great build. Simple, fast build, effective.
Very practical, nice work.
Thank you Eric. Very nice 👍
First great vid. I was getting ready to spend $549 on a Bosch 9 gallon dust extractor vacuum that would be an all in one unit. That said I noticed in the video that you have a Festool dust extractor. Do you not use that for this purpose? Another interesting observation is the difference between the Oneida Dust Deputy DIY Plus and the Deluxe you purchased. According to the comparison chart they provide with the parts numbers, the plus has a limitation of 50 CFM. Where the Deluxe model ranges between 50-150 CFM. All other information on the units are exactly the same. My conclusion is that they believe some doing DIY will not come close to their preconfigured Deluxe and use that number justify people spending the $99.
Outstanding video. I feel better about the dust deputy and I have a small shop that needs the same solution. On top of that, I have a Harbor Freight furniture dolly that will be perfect and I have some scrap plywood and 2x4’s so I don’t even need to buy any additional material. Thanks for the great video....
Thanks Bill! I am really happy with how much easier it is to cart the whole unit in the shop on the dolly as opposed to the casters that came with the shop vac. It's so much smoother. I also shortened the hose from the vac to the cyclone and used the elbows in the kit, so its all inside the cart, so it's more compact now.
Outstanding! I'm a beginning woodworker and have a small shop I'm building and I just bought the same dust collection system. My shop vac was on one side of the shop and hose ran across the floor to the dust collection container. Since I'm just starting to build my shop, I have ideas but needed to search for examples. Your video was on my Google news feed this morning and I'm ecstatic I clicked on it. You have provided a solution that works perfectly for my shop and saves additional space. I like the way you think and a subscriber to your TH-cam channel now. Thanks for providing an easy visual solution for something I otherwise would have spent hours planning.
@Joseph Hunter Outstanding! Best of luck on your new shop set-up. Cheers🙂🍺
I missed this video from you. Im right behind where you were on this video. Only difference is that I found a small cart on sale at Northern Tool within a few dollars of casters and wood cost. My cart accomplished the same. I even had the same HF furniture dolly.! LOL It's ok because I can carry hose and tools as well.. I have to tell you that I hate the casters on my furniture dolly. If I'd seen your video I would have made the same only with new better casters; Oh, I have a small shop and real estate is at a premium too
. I really like the way you solve problems. Thanks so much for this video.
Good timing on this video. I have a small shop and am rearranging such that my fixed shop vac and cyclone will not reach some of the new locations. A cart like yours is just the thing for my setup.
I like that you showed what you were building and why up front, allowing me to decide if I wanted to watch the video. Those $11 dollys from Harbor freight are hard to beat for a light duty roll around. About the price of buying castors. The cyclone doesn't need a bucket to collect the dust. You could build a collection container that fits in the cart and would make a lower, more compact, assembly.
@kkarllwt . Since I already spend the money on the kit, I ended up using the buckets that came with it. Otherwise, yes, a custom container is definitely an option if you just buy the cyclone.
great work Eric!
The problem I had with the same kit. First the system did what it is supposed to do and did it well. The first problem was the area, it took to implement it in my small 10’ x 12’ shop,
I bought the DD, a Pocket Hole Jig, and Furniture Dolly (from HFT) after watching your video.. I'd known about the PHJ, but your video convinced me to get one. Excellent video. I learned a lot for a beginner woodworker. Will implement the PVC pipe per the comments below. Another great idea.
Thanks Chuck! Good luck on your version🙂 👍
@@EricSorensenCanada Any suggestions as to how to attach the PVC pipe to the Poly Ethylene (or are they Styrene?) elbows provided with the DD? Might use a couple of short (1" ) Drywall screws. Another idea is to mate them with Bondic.
How do I send you an image of my cart?
I only ended up using one of the PVC connectors that came with my DD for the hose to the vacuum port. The other end of the hose attached just fine to the cyclone without any adapters. For some brand of vacuums / hoses you may need an adapter to attach the hose to the cyclone. You want to make sure you get a decent seal with your hose connections, otherwise you can lose suction. If you're sending an image link, use Facebook or imgur.com/
Great video, Eric. You`re a master at your craft. I enjoy your videos.
Love it. I’ve been thinking about putting something similar for my garage/shop and this is perfect. Great idea using the furniture dolly. Just happen to have a couple HF dollies laying around. They are dirt cheap on sale and they come in handy. Like the additional info from other commenters on this build as well. Going to look into the other cyclones that were mentioned. Thanks Eric!
I have the same vac but with dust stopper on PVC pipe in the vac accessory above casters. Use 2" to the vac casters and reduce to 1 1/2" to a plywood platform with 11 1/4" hole for the bucket.
I finally broke down last week and bought the DD, should have done it a long time ago that thing is great.
@rod potts Same here! I wish I had bought one years ago...Oh well, better late than never🙂
Excellent, good job
Turn the powerbar 180 degrees, switch on top, then you don 't have to reach downwards..( when you're getting old like me)😉
Brilliant solution.
Nice build ! Thanks for sharing!
Another great video Eric!!
Thanks Andrew! Cheers🙂
@@EricSorensenCanada getting my cyclone this Monday and i keep looking at your video here. How set it up. Also i like the two bucket idea to stop it from collapsing. Hopefully all goes well for me!!
Congrats Andrew! If you got the same kit, it will come with two buckets. Its pretty easy to set up, you should notice a difference🙂
@@EricSorensenCanada I’m in Europe so the cyclone didn’t come with a bucket. I’ll have to get two local. I’m on the hunt now!! Ha
Great design, nice work.
Liked. Subscribed. I appreciate that the tool noise in your videos is (mostly) quieter than your background music. I wish your fellow woodworking TH-camrs could figure that out.
@Steve Blose Thanks! Yes, I never saw a reason for the tool noise to take over the whole video. Cheers🙂
Fantastic idea and thank you for sharing!!! Someday soon I need to tackle a project like this...
Great work Eric & that looks like a good system & set up! 👍👍
Perfect. Time for me to start building mine! Thanks Eric.
A substantial bucket is required, mine collapsed into itself. I've added a 19mm irrigation pipe and tap to the lid, to allow more air in, from the atmosphere. Im taking sawdust from a bike and below my scrollsaw, using two clear plastic tube, joined with a 19mm irrigation T piece.
I have 2 Oneida units..really great...nice set-up...
Great video! Super simple and extremely effective. I'm going to be doing something very similar for my shop vac.
I'll probably be adding hard piping from the dust deputy to the vac instead of the flex though.
I need one of these so badly.
I have an almost identical unit. Built it back in 2011. Same Harbor Freight Furniture Dolly, Similar size vac Sears Craftsman, DD Cyclone.
Really only three differences... extra length of hose, nozzle mounts, and vacuum connection rotated 90degrees so the suction hose does not stick out... oh yeah, some grab handles so I can lift it if needed...
(I keep meaning to replace vac-to-cyclone hose with PVC pipes and elbows, but, it works great now)
Furniture dolly is a brilliant idea! Just like the comment below, great timing!
Nice, this is how I will set up.. Cheers 🇬🇧
Genius! This is the first video of yours I have watched and couldn’t help noticing the festool vacuum and was wondering the reason to have another shop vac? I don’t know much about the festool so thanks in advance for the explanation. Great video !
@Josh Havens I use the Festool dust extractor for my Domino Joiner, but it also works great with my Makita sanders.The Ridgid Vacuum is my old workhorse and I use the Dust Devil / Ridgid with everything else.
nice and simple,thank you.
Eric. Why did you not turn your vacuum 90 degrees and have hose come up through opening? I have been using the Dust Deputy several years and love how it works.
I did actually turn it around. You'll see in later videos that the hoses are now in the inside of the cart. It's less bulky now.
Cool video i like you and your shop its great!
Thanks Jon! Cheers🙂
Excellent design, one of the best I've seen. Your tips will help me avoid the mistakes. I can see some tweaks to improve it and anxious to build one like yours. Very inspiring, Thanks!
Eric, I've read that for table saws, shopvacs can't move anywhere near the volume of air needed to suck up chips/dust when the chip/dust source is located away from the machine collection part! It's apparently good for smaller machines and tools like sanders etc. but not for larger machines. What is your experience here?
My 12 Gal. Shop vac has plenty of suction for the table saws I use. Probably not for a big green machine or any of the larger cast iron table saws, i.e. Delta, Powermatic etc. For smaller garage workshops like mine, the Dust deputy does a good job. Also, you need to remember to change the filter. A lot of people forget that part then wonder why their shop vac isn't doing a good job.
That's brilliant! Perfect for what I need. A low cost low tech solution to attach to keep my damn dust down haha. What HP is that vacuum?
Nice video! Thanks for your input on this.
I wonder what is the second bucket for?
Pocket holes?Oh the joinery gods will die!
Thanks for the vid.
I have a somewhat similar setup for a while already. Hope your plastic bucket will be rigid enough, in case the hose gets clogged up. Don't underestimate the suction/power the vacuum creates. I employed a used military grade metal barrel instead of a bucket. It needs to be emptied less frequently and you can ground it, should static power become too much. Seeing yours reminds me of redesign though, to make it take up a bit less space.
@J. H. The plastic buckets came with the Oneida kit and are designed for the purpose. They are tougher than the hardware store buckets, and the seal is perfect on the lid. A metal bucket is a good alternative if you don't buy the full kit. I've seen other folks use it - works great.
For the power, I can't recommend the DGC unit enough. Vac plugs into the vac plug and the tool plugs into the tool plug. Vac comes on automatically when the tool is turned on and vac runs for 5 seconds after tool is turned off. I mounted the cyclone on top of the vac with a simple frame and wired an extension cord to a single gang box on the frame. Not necessarily, just different. Enjoyed your video
@Al Ryan That's a great idea! I'll have to check those out on Amazon. I know the Festool CT dust extractors have this built into them but I think I'll get the DGC unit and replace the power bar for my Dust Deputy system. Again, thank, great idea🙂👍
So the size did make a difference. The second problem was being my shop is 10’x12’ the vacuum is way to loud. When I bought the vac it was advertised as a quiet vac. Yeh right I got a million dollars too. So I built a small enclosure outside of my shop to contain the both of them. The saga continues but I need not go further.
Leave the wheels on the shop vac and make a smaller mount for the cyclone. Put a 10lb weight inside the shop vac which will give it a much lover CG and it won't topple over.
The casters on the ridgid shop vacs are terrible. It moves around much better on the dolly casters and the cart only adds 8 inches to the footprint of the shop vac.
@@EricSorensenCanada Perfect....Yeah I wondered how sturdy they were....Dust collection is a big PITA...
Another good vid. I've build two very similar and they work better than the double bag systems I had. Particuarly in a small shop.
If you fit a few earth magnet around the sides they should pick up things like screws
@John Harding That is a brilliant solution! I might try that in the near future. Thanks🙂
I have the same table saw as you. Have you ever had an issue with the blade not staying at 90°? It feels like my blade is moving after I cut. I have tried using an allen wrench to tighten it. Any advice?
@kurtis anderson You have to crank the dial fully clockwise (ignore the scale on the dial just go past the zero.) with one hand, hold it, and engage the lever lock with the other hand. I then check it for square. That works every time for me but yes, it is a pain. You also have to put pressure on the fence to ensure it stays square before you lock it. I am thinking of upgrading to a Dewalt in the future and selling mine.
Thank you Eric! I will try that today. And an upgrade would be nice. It's not a bad saw just a little finicky sometimes.
Great idea.
pretty cool
I thought I was the only guy in the world with a random bottle of Copperhead BB's lying around!!!
They're really handy for making dead blow hammers🙂
I noticed you have a Festool vacuum. It seems to me that the money is in those vacuum bags. Have you thought about a cyclone system to use with that?
@chasmj3 They make a killing on vacuum bags! I don't use the FT dust extractor that often (mostly for my sanders and my domino joiner) but I might just buy another cyclone and set something up down the road. Problem is, spare hoses from FT are hugely expensive.
Curious as to why you didn't mount them side-by-side on the dolly. It looks like there was enough room. Your cart looks like it has the same footprint of the initial setup, but now is much taller.
There's 4 inches clearance on either side of the vacuum barrel. Eight inches of additional space would not allow the 5 gallon cyclone bucket, which is 12 inches in diameter.... To fit them side by side on the dolly, I would need to add an a longer platform. The taller set-up is better, no bending down the empty the bucket.
Gotcha. Good to know. Thanks.
Hello, do you remember how many gallon shop vac this was, used in the video ?
12Gal
Love the simplicity of this as I have a cumbersome cart set up now. I couldn't help noticing the cabinet/drawers you have @8:55 thru 9:22 on the right, that looks awesome! Did you make that from a set of plans?
@Shali Lali Thanks🙂 That's my LEGO shop cabinet. I don't have plans but I did a build video for it: th-cam.com/video/7bC9Xv6yH7k/w-d-xo.html
Well done!
damn good job
Idea Brillante!!👍👍😜
Fill the holes with bondo you don't even need to pretty it up
How effective is this in comparison with a large motor/bag system? I thought the only draw between this and using a shop vac is that this keeps the shop vac filter cleaner? It doesn't effectively capture as much of the nano stuff, does it? My shop shares the house garage and there is a thin film of dust on everything.
It means you never have to buy vac bags again and it extends the life of the filter. It enhances the suction a bit but it effectively does the same job your shop vac will do. Have you tried blowing out your garage with a leaf blower? I do that once a month. I open the back window in the garage for airflow, open the garage door and blow it out from back to front. It works well.You'll want to wear a mask when you do it and put any tools away that might blow around. Of course it depends on where you live and how close you are to other houses. The neighbours might not love it🙂
Have to ask you why you would need this vac when I see you have a Festool CT vac under your bench. Isnt the Festool enough for the woodwork jobs in shop. I just bought a CT36 and was hoping I wouldin need another vac in shop.
A fair question! I use the ridgid vac and cyclone for most of my stationary tools because it's a cheap cyclone solution. For my hand-held tools (sanders, domino joiner, router), I use the FT dust extractor. At some point, I will probably upgrade the FT dust extractor with an FT Cyclone. Just buying adapters, hoses and accessories for the FT is ridiculously expensive.
I noticed that you have a festool vac and was wondering if you considered the Oneida "Ultimate Dust Deputy For Festool Vacs", and if so, why you chose not to go that route. Maybe expense at $300, but it seems to be the best option that I've seen so far as I am looking for dust collection solution, and I also have a festool vac.
@rond1962 rond1962 At that price you might as well buy the Festool Cyclone with systainer.
It's only about $75 more. I only use the FT dust extractor for my sanders and my domino joiner. For everything else, I use the dust deputy / ridgid vac. Maybe one day I'll splurge on the FT cyclone.
Eric, thanks for the quick response! For what it's worth, if you do decide to get the systainer collector someday, I definitely recommend the Oneida over the festool. The festool definitely looks cooler but its design seems to be lacking and does not perform as well as the Oneida. There's a good comparison video on TH-cam.
I am curious why you put the cyclone on the shop vac and not the FT vacuum? That way you could eliminate the shop vac entirely.
@JT Long That would be a different kit and a different collection container at about triple the price. The Ridgid vac is actually really good for suction, so I use it for the big dust makers, router table, table saw, miter saw and general clean-up. Maybe one day I will buy the FT cyclone but for now, i've got other tools to buy.
did you get longer hose forthis?
Eric. Love the concept, but wondering if this system has enough draw to handle tools with a 4" dust port, such as table saws. Your thoughts?
It sounds like you need a more stationary / centralized solution. You can get a larger cyclone top for a larger container. Same principle, just upscale it. Mine is good for the standard ridgid dust ports but probably no larger than that.
Thanks!
Great job Eric. Just found your channel. Do you attach this directly to your power tools such as table saw etc?
Thanks Paul! Yes, I use this cyclone for all my stationary power tools (thickness planer, table saw , miter saw). I use my Festool Dust extractor for all my hand held tools (sanders, domino joiner etc).
@@EricSorensenCanada Perfect. Also thanks for the intro and tribute to The Master Woodworker, Bob Chase, watched five of his videos this morning and look forward to watching the rest. Great that his knowledge can be preserved this way and beginners like me can still learn from him. Fantastic woodworking legacy.
Also do you need the pails that come with it or will any type of pail work?
You can just buy any 5 gallon hardware store bucket and matching lid. They sell the cyclone kit on it's own: www.amazon.com/Dust-Deputy-Anti-Static-Cyclone-Separator/dp/B07YX6P48R/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Dust+Deputy+Anti-Static+Cyclone+Separator+%28DD+DIY+Plus%29&qid=1607009375&sr=8-1
I ordered everything to do the same myself, but realized when I got the Ridgid vac delivered that it is slightly wider than the dolly between the carpeted pieces (by about 1/2 inch). Just curious, how much clearance did you leave between the vac and the wood above?
About 4 inches clearance from the top frame.
Why not just remove the bag from the shop vac (keeping the filter intact)? What is the purpose of having "2 buckets"? Maybe I'm missing the point?
@Ed Haskell That would clog the filter in no time. The cyclone uses the suction from the vacuum and dumps the debris in a separate container, making the filter last much longer. One bucket is just a holding bucket. The other is your dust and debris bin. All you really need is the cyclone and you can come up with a bunch of configurations from there.
You didn’t use the hose that came with the kit? Did you?where did u get it?
@MrBubbajohnson1 No, the hose from the kit was too short to connect my Ridgid vac to the top of the cyclone. I ended up trimming a spare vac hose and using the elbow connectors to connect the vac to the cyclone. I bought the kit on Amazon.
Dumb question. I'm goign to build something very much like this.
I'm not entirely sure why I am pre-collecting my dust before it just lands in the shop vac. Anybody able to explain easily?
It doesn't land in the shop vac at all. The cyclone system captures 95% of it and deposits it in the removable bucket. The only function for the shop vac is the air filter for the fine dust and the air flow / suction it provides. You will never need bags and your air filter (which is expensive) will last longer.
Where did you get the extra vacuum hoses?
The Home Depot. I already had the original hose but I replaced it a year ago with a new one, so I had two.