🔥 Simon Jordan vs Martin O'Neill: Do football owners give their managers ENOUGH backing? 😳
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- Do football owners put enough trust in their managers? talkSPORT's Jim White and Simon Jordan discuss alongside Martin O'Neill!
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Martin instills calmness in this studio, showing an argument can happen without conflict
Get Martin on more often , this is Brilliant
Yeah brilliant, few can keep up with Simon's clever word play. You can Tell that Martin nearly became a Lawyer
Martin O'Neill commands respect. Every time he opens his mouth you're compelled to listen. Different class.
there was Englishman, an Irishman and a scotsman..........
LOL
This is the most healthiest, matured debate I've ever heard on TalkSport. Thoroughly enjoyed it
Please bring Martin back on this show what a breath of fresh air
More Martin O'Neil please. Best pundit going..even Simon looks up to him. Love the man. First 15 years of my childhood were miserable until he built Celtic's dominance and put Rangers in their place. Absolute legend.
HAIL HAIL
Hail Hail mo chara 🇮🇪
Dominance in a Tesco carpark league, good one mate!
@@apk4381 Yeah but a league whose top two teams have won more European trophies than the whole of the epl combined!
@@apk4381still want players from our Tesco car park 😂
Martin O'Neill is pure class - get him on the show more often than Keown or Murphy
Martin O'Neill's Leicester signings were something else. Most unknown or journeymen players - he built them into a team which shocked the league. This is some list - Tim Flowers, Matt Elliott, Super Stevie Claridge, Izzett, Lennon ans Savage in midfield, Spenny Prior, Gerry Taggart the hardman, Ian Marshall! Unbelievable signings
That side finished in the top ten of the premier league for four seasons running and won two league cups. Considering that team was built for about a fiver, that's incredible.
He was on his way to doing something like that at Villa too until Randy Lerner came in and bollocked it all up. Shame O'Neill seemed to get written off as a premier league manager at he's better than most of the chancers that have got loads of better jobs since his exile
Shocked the league? :) okey man
@@nicolaibalns1652 Martin O'Neil was part of an Elite Nottingham Forrest Squad that Conquered Europe,❤🔥❤🔥and won 2 Champions League Titles back to back, O'Neil won 11titles as player, and 17 trophies as manager!
And 8 Premier League Manager of Month awards❤🔥❤🔥
This Guy isnt a tinpot waffler like Simon "Waffle" Jordan!
Good point I wouldn’t have Tim Flowers on that list of unknown journey men tho he had spent 6 years with Blackburn Rovers and most of that was spent challenging for the title and winning it in 95 . I get ur point tho
Remember Martin O’Neill in his Celtic and Villa days , great manager, surprised he hasn’t got a job these days
Simon got a lesson there. He makes a strong argument and he can usually bamboozle the other Martin ( Keown) but not O'Neill who speaks with cool authority, composure and passion. This guy clearly has plenty more to give. Speaks with eloquence and knowledge. One of the best exchanges of opinion I've seen on Talksport for a long time.
Rafa Benitez really sure lives rent-free in Simon head 😂
Really sure. Very nice. Yakshemash.
Really great guest. More Martin please!
I have to say this is one of the healthiest debates you've had on talk sport. It's clear both men have a tremendous amount of respect and value each others opinions
Imagine asking Simon for pocket money
😂😂😂😂 Matee
👏 😂
Good to see Martin is still on the ball .
I usually agree with Simon. But he's a bit off it here. There's no possible way to know a) how well a signing will settle in the area, let alone team with different styles. b) what a players form will be like in the future. Various things such as family issues can affect a player's performance. Or a new injury that can't possibly be predicted, can mess with form.
Absolutely brilliant comment 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Form is temporary, class is permanent..
It's funny how Simon moves the goalposts to fit his narrative. There is one narrative when it comes to a chairman like Daniel Levy, and a completely different one when it comes to Moshiri. It is weird how Jordan defends Levy and goes the opposite way to put the blame on Moshiri. It is difficult to argue with someone that inherently tries to validate his biases through subterfuge, and I think that's what Jordan does so well.
Spot on. I really don’t know why he keeps making excuses for Levy. In another video recently he even labelled the Tottenham fan base “toxic”, in the context of whether or not new players might want to join them. I’m not a Tottenham fan but this feels awfully unfair. They are simply angry with under-performance and piss-port management!
Levy is his friend
Martin is brilliant as usual! As sharp as a tack!🍀😎
Terrific conversation and interplay between these guys. Really interesting discussion!
Any chance Martin would come to leeds please 🙏
Martin O’Neil, as a Nottm Forest supporter loved him as a player as he always gave his all for the cause! A good manager and a terrific pundit! What he doesn’t know about the game isn’t worth knowing! He and Simon Jordan are always worth listening to when on talksport and their conversations are humorous as well as being interesting.
Abromovich was case in point he gave you all the money and you spent it and if it didn't work and you weren't top 4 and winning a trophey you would get sacked and the next man came in.
True, but he also bought players he wanted that the manager didn't want.
For his faults at least Abramovich had a clear plan at Chelsea rather than a scattergun approach
@@asheni78Shevchenko springs to mind
@@lordvadertheleftie9703 the issue i have with fans is the likes of man u fans or spurs fans to name just those 2 who blame the owners when the players are at fault instead of the players themselves. I liked abromovich because it was heres your resourceses go out and win me a trophey.
i love the maturity in this conversation, the exchanges are supremely cute.
Gazza was Messi in that Tinpot Farmhouse🤣🤣
So cringe how Jim just basically sits there and smiles like a schoolgirl whenever Simon talks
Silly argument from Simon. Part of hiring a manager is you believe they will do their job in due diligence and that includes players they get in. If you don't believe they will do that you shouldn't hire them in the first place
Martin O'Neil has to be the most success manager in Leicester history...got them to premiership then won 2 league cups....before joining the famous green and white in Glasgow
Martin O'Neil was part of an Elite Nottingham Forrest Squad that Conquered Europe,❤🔥❤🔥
and won 2 Champions League Titles back to back, O'Neil won 11titles as player, and 17 trophies as manager!
And 8 Premier League Manager of Month awards❤🔥❤🔥
This Guy isnt a tinpot waffler like Simon "Waffle" Jordan!
Ranieri won the premiership with Leicester who were 5000/1 at the bookies to win it is Leicesters greatest achievement its arguably the greatest achievement in English football atleast in the prem era. No disrespect to Martin he is a absolute gentleman
@@seaniekay yes it was an absolute Great achievement and you could be right ....but I think getting promoted from championship and winning 2 league cups and getting them into Europe is just as good
@@tommybhoy8461 He did great at Villa too. He made Leicester and Villa a Top 5-7 side that knocked hard on the doors of the Top 4 in much more tougher eras.
@@DEEDUBZ agreed mate 101 percent....he took over Celtic when Scottish League was decent but rangers had a great team at the time with half the Dutch team and other big stars and he made Celtic the top team in Glasgow again 🍀
I know talk sport is trying to get views but they use the fire emoji to often to get views the conversation between Simon Jordan and Martin O'Neill were just them having a reasonable discussion of how buying a player works from the point of view of a owner and manager
Would be nice to hear Jordan speak about Levy in such a frank way 😂😂 just like he has so much frank and direct talk for Eddie Hearn and Eubank Sr but when comes to Frank Warren its nothing but rational thinking and speaking 😂😂😂
I could watch Jim make facial expressions all day ❤
😅. Not always but more often than not, Jimmy Blanco is often bamboozled and chips in sometimes with tumbleweed like interjections. Bless him.
Proper grown up debate! No bullshit or sound bytes👍😁
Great discussion!
I love Simon but my god whenever the argument like this come up his entire bitterness to his failed ownership just ooze out
yeah i'm with ya, lets himself down a bit here.
Oozing bitterness 🎯🎯
Yeah, he always seems to defend Daniel Levy and is the only person who does!!
So with Everton it’s the owner and not the chairman because Simon’s mates with him but at Tottenham it’s not the owner it’s the players/managers… makes sense 😅
🎯🎯🎯🎯Exactly 💯
I think that's where Simons floored he looks out for his mates.. so everyone in the world knows levys issue but its not his fault - at Everton is seems like the owner just does bad business at the advice of everyone around him BUT because Simon isn't his mate it's the other way round.
Jim White - master of stating the bleeding obvious…🙄
I can’t stand him
You could listen to MO’N all day long,loved him when he was manager of my club,left a sour taste how it come to an end & I was gutted for a time and understand things obviously went on in the boardroom at villa with Randy learner and had he backed MO’N he would of pushed us on,but all the same we had some great games and were a good side and exciting to watch under his guide!UTV!!great footballing guy,talks so much sense and would love to see him on the show with white & Jordan more often.💜💙
Martin there are managers who say this... Remember Jose saying Abramovich to sign Didier Drogba when he wasn't even a familiar name on the footballing world.. ! Infact, Abramovich was ready to sign Ronaldinho for Jose, but Jose was like no he wants Drogba..the rest as we know is history
I think Jose is Warranted to ask as such, he had won Champions League, Uefa Cup, 2 League titles, 2 domestic cups back-to-back the year before
@@kaypakaipa8559 indeed he is a born winner 🏆💪
Glad someone in the media has finally mentioned Sigerson. He was wrongfully accused. Everton lost £50 million. No one at Everton could have foreseen that.
Pulis “bodies in the building” thanks for spilling that SJ! Our current manager Emery didn’t do this in January, or so far this summer… he is just buying the right bodies, despite an extra competition!
Jim loves simon being in an even debate lol he beams every time
Yeah, Simon kind of agree! What your basically saying to the manager at this price the player cannot be a financial risk to the club and he needs to be a star on and off the field! If a player gets injured that's different unless you have signed a player with an injury history.....? Which ironically Martin did! Which worked out really, really well with Big John Harston 👍great signing.
I was really hoping MON would go in on Lerner here. Lerner was a disease to our club but O'Neill wasn't exactly faultless with his money
O’Neil wasted millions, built a squad of bench warmers on massive wages and played the same 11 week in week out. Then walked out when it would cause maximum damage to the club. One of the reasons Learner pulled the cash was Oneils spending
@@MrMonkeyHat
Hardly wasted millions. Not every transfer was a success as it is with any manager.
Martin O'Neill spent over his time at the club £152.4m on 28 players with an average transfer fee of £5.4m.
Those same 28 players sold for a total of £93.5m or an average fee of £3.3m. (According to Transfermarkt)
That is with 16 of those players either retiring or being allowed to leave on a free due to poor management from the board at that time. (Inc. Brad Friedel, Brad Guzan, Carlos Cuellar, John Carew, Nigel Reo Coker, Stephen Warnock, Richard Dunne)
As far as wages go. Villa had £93.9m being spent in 2009-10 in wages. By comparison the Villa team in 2014-15 had a wage bill of £94.3m (According to Forbes)
@@MrMonkeyHat You TikTok kids have no respect,
Martin O'Neil was part of an Elite Nottingham Forrest Squad that Conquered Europe,❤🔥❤🔥
and won 2 Champions League Titles back to back, O'Neil won 11titles as player, and 17 trophies as manager!
And 8 Premier League Manager of Month awards❤🔥❤🔥
This Guy isnt a tinpot waffler like Simon "Waffle" Jordan!
Retaining Kenwright will be Evertons biggest signing this season.
Muzzy Izzet wow remember him 🤣🤣
Signed for Birmingham and was never seen again.
He was a Chelsea fringe player when O'Neill brought him into a championship Leicester team. Turned him into an international Premier league player
Great station, I listen when ever I can, White and Jordan, best thing on social M
Let o neill talk!
CHANGE YOUR JINGLE BACK AND STOP HURTING MY EARS WHEN I’VE GOT HEADPHONES IN
I’m guessing Simon is backing the managers in this argument
FSG are a prime example of what an owner shouldn't be. Klopp has limited to no financial backing whatsoever
Yeah, Liverpool fans long for the days before FSG, when they never won a Premier League.
FSG doesn't support him, to the tune of 80m on Nunez, 42 on Mac Allister, 42 on Gakpo, 47 on Diaz, 40 on Konate, 45 on Jota, 62 on Alisson, 60 on Keita, etc etc.
What the hell are you talking about? FSG saved Liverpool from going into administration. They have extended the stadium capacity not once, but twice. They built one of the best training facilities in the world, where both the youth and senior teams train. Before that, the manager had to go many miles to watch the youth team practice.
You have to be joking?
It wasn't long ago you guys were touting FSG as the greatest owners in the world. Give over.
FSG have spent close to £1 billion over 7 years. You don't know how good you've got it. They virtually saved Liverpool
To the new TikTok kids,
Martin O'Neil was part of an Elite Nottingham Forrest Squad that Conquered Europe,❤🔥❤🔥
and won 2 Champions League Titles back to back, O'Neil won 11titles as player, and 17 trophies as manager!
And 8 Premier League Manager of Month awards❤🔥❤🔥
This Guy isnt a tinpot waffler like Simon "Waffle" Jordan!
Please let Martin speak, Jesus Christ.
O'Neill, Keown, Souness and Murphy are the best co hosts.
3 Men wearing Glasses !!!
I love Simon and Martin, but it’s sometimes frustrating listening to them kind of arguing the same bloody point, which is what is happening here.
For Simon to say that managers view success as their own, and failure to be everyone's issue is a bit harsh.
TINPOT LEAGUE for Sutton
"Martin O'Neil Martin Oneil, Martin O'Neil Martin O'Neil, Martin O'Neil Martin O'Neil
Martin O'Neil Martin O'Neil"
All this "disconnect" stuff is nonsense. The fans connect with the team and the manager, not the directors.
Bit clickbaity. This is just a great insightful conversation not an argument of sorts. Hmmm the first time im glad i fell for an insincere clickbait title cause i enjoyed that lol.
Of course Sutton was terrific . A quality prem lge striker moving to play in scottish prem. Easy work
YEAH YEAH YEAH
thanks simon for always expanding my english vocabulary, it was pontificate, now it is unequivocal
Anyone who thought Sigurdsson was worth £40m when they signed him should have faced the workplace firing squad. This is the tip of the iceberg of the Everton shitshow though… you couldn’t write what’s gone on at that club.
Chris Sutton was great.
Why are we listening to a failed manager ?..
Ashley young to villa thanks Martin 👏🏻👏🏻
This is a null and void debate!
What kind of flaky argument is that -- are you absolutely sure??? Nobody is 100 percent perfect!!! Even best players may not perform at the full potential at the best club, so many examples are there... There are so many variables thats beyond anybody's control...
Grownups understands better, Simon!!!
Simon being bossed by an absolute honest knowledgeable gent
An actual good conversation on talkSPORT? I'm shook
Uff Simon going on Moshiri but Levy gets a pass.
My takeaway from this is that Simon likes a smoothie and Martin likes a costa coffee ☕️
You’ve got confused Tea Frankie. Nobody says your like Hearn in terms of delivery. It’s that you repeat every word he says. He pays for a dog and makes it bark for him. As opposed to employing someone to give analysis or critique. The monotone stuff is of course accurate as you’ve said
Martin is the best.
jordan v a man that knows what he's talking about - it will only end in jordan tears
And yet... Levy is innocent Simon? 🤔
Simon talking absolute nonsense, he knows Moshiri has brought in players and multiple of them. It’s not a case of managers going to Moshiri and asking for Sigurdsson El Ghazi etc.
This is why Ten Haag will die on that Antony Hill.... He will do everything he can to make Antony a success..... Pretty clear it was his signing.... I think Ten Haag regrets it already...
has more g/a in first season then grealish did at man city tho.
@@hazza3786 He will score a few goals here and there.... But he will never have elite g/a... And his all round game is not at Grealishes level.... Antony gets bullied.... The left backs sense it...
Poor comment, understand young men first, cynicism and jealousy is such an unattractive quality,
@@dazzuluwilliams3150 Poor comment. grammatically awful.
@@mariechu6123 proverb 26:4
add martin o neil as another guy to own simon jordan
So when Everton are failing it's because it's the fault of the owner, but when Tottenham are failing it's the fault of everyone but the owner. Stop defending your mates.
that man city team doesnt impress me at all
snap into them like macho man 👊🏼
MARTIN IS 100% QUALITY.
HOW IS HE NOT AT A BIG CLUB SOMEWHERE? BETTER THAN MGRS AT:
1) EVERTON
2) SPURS
3) MAN UTD
4) LEEDS
5) FOREST
Martin O'Neil was part of an Elite Nottingham Forrest Squad that Conquered Europe,❤🔥❤🔥
and won 2 Champions League Titles back to back, O'Neil won 11titles as player, and 17 trophies as manager!
And 8 Premier League Manager of Month awards❤🔥❤🔥
This Guy isnt a tinpot waffler like Simon "Waffle" Jordan!
He’s 70 now. Maybe he doesn’t want that stress at this time in his life. Plus he won’t need the money.
An owner doesn’t buy a football club as a football expert. So why would a FOOTBALL MANAGER trust their word in things to do with the pitch. Simon is laughable
Shame Tony Fernandes wasnt like Simon when he gave MILLIONS to Mark Hughes and bought in a load of trash being paid shedloads of wages and not playing for the club
Is Jim White the worst host going
Jesus. Simon is such a fire starter. Funny, but relax mate.
Kenright has been stealing off Everton for years
lezz go Kilreagh...celtics greatest son
Martin over the plank Souness, all day every day.
A control freak out of control Mr Jordan
I don't like this simo😢
So, Simon wants managers to hound players in public, but is too snowflake to accept a hounding as the guy in ultimate charge.
Typical.
Made bad signings at Sunderland which took us years to recover from.
Your team is useless mate, Martin is a Winner,
Martin O'Neil was part of an Elite Nottingham Forrest Squad that Conquered Europe,❤🔥❤🔥
and won 2 Champions League Titles back to back, O'Neil won 11titles as player, and 17 trophies as manager!
And 8 Premier League Manager of Month awards❤🔥❤🔥
This Guy isnt a tinpot waffler like Simon "Waffle" Jordan!
O'Neill made a lot of average signings for Villa. Also, some of his signings never played
Listening to o'Neil is like counting sheep 💤💤💤💤
He wasted so much much on absolutely crap at villa then left us in the lurch ! Rat put us back ten years
Martin can barely string a sentence together
he's actually very genuine and has achieved heaps in football so what he has to stay has more weight than most.
Martin can barely string a sentence together ?what's that about?Not a very nice thing to say when he can string a sentence together and he stood up to Simon!Unlike alot of people who don't.Simon failed at Palace and he is bitter about it.Martin O'Neil was a good manager on what he had
You new TikTok kids are clueless,
Martin O'Neil was part of an Elite Nottingham Forrest Squad that Conquered Europe,❤🔥❤🔥
and won 2 Champions League Titles back to back, O'Neil won 11titles as player, and 17 trophies as manager!
And 8 Premier League Manager of Month awards❤🔥❤🔥
This Guy isnt a tinpot waffler like Simon "Waffle" Jordan!
Loves the sound of his own voice this priiiiiickkkk
jordan epitomises everything wrong with england and the english