How-To: Bidding Framing Projects (Tips for Mark-Up + Bid Price)
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In this video - I go over a few KEY things to bidding rough framing projects, such as cost per square foot.. Mark-up on your equipment.. Garage square footage? Add it? Can it? I'll tell you!
NOTE: This isn't a guaranteed method of bidding, just a method commonly seen here in California, used by MANY framing contractors.
Do you use a similar method? Care to share? Comment down below!
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This video is NOT to be used as a guide for bidding homes, do not take this and bid everything @ $10.00/SF. It is only to be used as reference for proposals.
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MattBangsWood what about taxes? Do you add that on? Or does that come out of your base price?
Max takeoffs? Is that what you said?
You need to have a tutorial on the business aspect of framing and how to video! This video was excellent 👍
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You are the first one who has ever provided a compelling reason for the practice of marking up materials. Thinking of it in terms of insurance for waste/bad estimating can also be used as a metric for how good a builder is. Brilliant.
gotta have a buffer zone built into bids your so right on this
Also just markup for handling. Gonna have to move it all regardless.
This video was awesome! I estimate commercial construction work for a living and it’s always interesting to hear other people/states means, methods and thought process.
Good job buddy,you remind me of me! I've been building for 32 yrs,started young, I'm 53 now. It just gets harder but very rewarding to look back & see the artwork you have created with your own hands! There's an art to bidding as well, contractors will beat you down at every opportunity,gotta get their proffit, usually without any sweat invested! It's a cutthroat buiseness for sure . Take care & build on 👍
I've been a contractor for over 30 years. This is exactly how I bid every job!
Yes Matt, we need more videos covering the front end of construction work! Thx bro
I totally agree with the garage debate. Our contractors try and say well it’s not heated living space but it’s just as hard to frame as the rest of the house.they try and get you on porches as well all I can say is CHARGE FOR EVERYTHING!!!
Glad that's not just here.. If the SF for the garage isn't counted, why are we framing it? lol
For more complicated projects with high end picky clients, I always do a "cost plus" contract with payments every 2 weeks no matter where we are at on the project. We do establish a not to exceed amount from the start however.
Would you be able to go into a little more detail on this? I'm a new contractor and trying to figure out how to "CYA" Any advice would be greatly appreciated
Excellent explanation!!
Im with you! Crew experience!!! That’s important
Great advice. I have fallen victim to being mystified with the idea of building certain projects with all the best case scenarios in mind only to regret it later. It pays to look at the big picture like you mention. There are always variables and it's better to be fair to yourself than have sour grapes later. Better to lose a job than lose money
Loved this video! Keep making more like this in addition to your other ones🤘
Definitely plan on it! Thank you.
The guy that just bid my framing must have watched your video, no joke his bid was $37,000 8:58
Here in California contractors just throw random prices out and see what sticks lol
RHEC 951 i agree haha
J.O.C 🤑💪
Drives me crazy. Got 2 bids for my project in LA, one was for $65,000 the other was $130,000. Same scope, foundation and framing. And yet this job should be closer to the $45,000 mark.
@@edtaslak1398 I’ve found that people THINK they should be able to get a house done for way cheaper than what it actually is, for the last year lumber prices have skyrocketed, workers are extremely hard to find, while work is coming and needed to be done way to fast. The cheap price isn’t always the best price check how booked your contractor is and word of mouth reviews. The golden rule is if your contractor doesn’t have a wait time in spring, they are not good lol
@@lotus_8773 That's a good tip. I got 2 quotes one was double the other. How do I figure out how much I should actually pay?
"If you can't read plans, chances are you shouldn't be bidding homes." 4:35 lol
Just being honest! 😂 Glad someone found humor in it.
Really informative. I cant believe the SF price is as high as it is now. I was framing houses and getting 3.50 a sq ft. And was excited. Although we weren't as sophisticated. It was all on a hand shake. Nice job👍
T A they don’t pay taxes and get fake insurance, here in Tennessee 3 to 3.50 that’s pathetic
Or Texas, 2.80 per SQ ft.
@@hugootero7915 is that what thier paying per sq right now? I was framing in Corpus/ Rockport and getting between 3.50- 5.00 a square. And that was almost 20 years ago.
Here in fort Worth and Dallas, I had some builders tried to pay me that per sqft.i don't know how people can charge that much per SQ ft and pay their employees.
We gotta stop the $3.50 crap. The ONLY people getting $3.50 are mega builder like DR Horton, Lennar, etc. You can afford to make $300-500 profit each home when you are building 15-20 homes each month for them, in a 300 lot subdivision ( Georgia ). It irritates me when small builders or homeowners expect a rate under $4.00. I am charging around $6.00 down here in ATL.
One other tip in bidding make sure you are bidding apples to apples alot of generals with have one guy bid it with one material and another a different one
Can't tell you how much I deal with that 🤦♂️
@DAPPR 323 they one specify a roof shingles just say asphalt shingles on the print. So one guy bids a 50 year shingle and another bids a 15 year shingle big difference in price
Matt, nice work mate, enjoyed your presentation. Always hard to know exactly what to bid. I am living here in the US from Oz, so it is getting used to all the variations, so guys like you are a great tool to connect with the industry here.... Thanks mate...
Great call on the garage bid! Great work Matt!
Great point, never charge cost price for materials, you have so little to gain and way too much to lose.
How many times have I missed some item or just wrong on the quantities.
Mark up of 10% is on the low side.
Great content
Cheers from Oz
very informative.. your Dad must been a very good contractor because it reflects well on your knowledge..
Hi Matt. Great explanation of the bidding process. Does make it a lot easier if the builder and the buyer sit down and discuss what exactly is going in the house. Fixtures, cabinets, flooring. Knowing that there should be no balking at the price. Enjoy the day. Ray L
Builder probably won't be willing to give you much time before you bid. But Matt is right about checking your bid before signing and if you win the bid the builder may be very willing to go over everything with you before you sign. Just understand he will not want to hear anything about a higher bid, but you might be able do some no- cost trades.
Would love to see a video on how you type up proposals.?
Great content! Not practicing these principles is where I lost my ass doing work for friends and family. If I were to add to what you said here I would say don't work for friends or family at any price. :)
Oh gosh, never friends nor family..
@@MattBangsWood Now you tell me, LOL :)
It's funny how 'friends' will always pay strangers full retail price and more.
Not all my experiences have been bad but there's definitely been a few. Some people are just crabs in the bucket
@@koveebryant1526 So True, so true, :)
I completely agree when it comes to adding in the garage, etc. I'm an architectural draftsman and I have clients/contractors all the time not wanting me to charge anything for the garage or for a basement because it's just a big open space. Well, like you said, so are a lot of large living rooms, etc. They generally don't like it if I charge for any unfinished/unheated spaces but like you said, they still take time. I have found myself in the past taking a financial hit because I didn't charge for those areas but in order to operate and stay in business I have to make money just like every other trade. Thanks for the video!!
Around here, Louisiana, square foot costs refer to everything "under beam", which includes porches, patios, garages, etc.
Thanks for doing these vids as well with the live action ....
Of course! Thanks for watching.
I like the fact that you don’t apologize for trying to make a profit. As a businessman I trust people like that. I will never take the lowest bid on virtually any of the trades. The farther off it is from the average the less likely I am to use them at all. They’re not the really the lowest price, they just haven’t given me the bad news yet. Oops 😬
I use to write all the bids for my first boss just because I have nice penmanship.
Can't tell you how much that helped me now with my own company. Never stop trying to learn new skills or knowledge.
Hello , I been working in the metal framing ,drywall, door frames,acoustic ceiling etc , for 20 years for different companies and I'm ready to start working for my own is there any way you can teach me I'm in Houston tx
I willing to pay you
@@arturohuerta6411 Last thing is come up with a strategy/market. You do not want to be the jack of all trades with your business. For example I ONLY do NEW construction framing, decks, doors & windows. Why ? If I have to file a lien for non-payment, then the client has to resolve that before they can sell the home or convert the construction loan to a mortgage. The lien will show up during title search in closings. On renovations, or framing on existing homes if the client never plans to sell or refinance the home you are Screwed, unless you go to court. I use my personal savings to pay payroll so I have to mitigate risks as much as possible. Large builders will not pay you weekly or ahead of time for payroll. It has to come out of your pockets whether via loan, capital, credit cards. You will have to wait up to 30-45 days to get paid After finishing your job with big players like DR, Lennar etc.
My first impression of this video, it's all talk. You adding all these markups like it's a school project.
In real world people beat your markups in blink of eye.
Goodluck
Your correct on "Builder supply"
This video has really helped me out to figured out how to bid jobs, im about to get my general license and this comes in super helpfull. You should do a video about liens or bonds if you've done any or what kind of paper work u add to your bids
Sweet video. I have soo much respect for you and your crew.
they sure do know what they're doing out there, do you see his Pap walking on those trusses without fall protection and banging on them
I appreciate that. We don't have it all together, we're far from perfect. We do try to have some fun while building though!
Thanks for the support.
This is really good and helpful. I appreciate the business discussions and would love to see more and more of these types of videos. Keep up the great work!
Talk about clear and concise! an awesome video! wish there were more like this
Very insightful and good break down.
Great video Matt! Some of the garages I've built here in Cali are nicer than the house.
I might add that Interior framing can also eat into your profits if you're not careful with your bids. Soffits, ceiling details, niches, arches, etc. This can add several days to your job. Everyone wants them, they just don't want to pay for them. I also figure my framing based on the weekly cost of my crew and then add my profit. I'm usually pretty close.
Buying the material i built two houses side by side n material was stolen daily twekers lived down the street they even riped the windows off the wall im by the Seattle wa area the builder was happy at the end we fenced the property off and he made like 400k
thanks man learning so much from your channel
I like to use Bluebeam to estimate structural. It makes it really easy to find things that you might miss with your eyes.
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Thanks so much for this super informative videos Matt, really helpful for people starting out like myself, keep up the good work 🎉
This is definitely just a general guide about bidding I thought they’d be a lot more details
Makes a lot of sense here we bid lets say 10.95$ / sqft + 4$ /sqft for finished bsmt (walls only) + 8$/sqft for garages (because they are usually higher walls talking between 10' and 14' high) so longer to but up because of blocking + machinery ect... usually we end up pretty good and if there's a covered poarch ect we just take the sqft and do 2$/sqft its pretty simple and we always end up pretty good obviously thats without materials
Love the business/planning education videos
good video Matt. Would definitely second your advice (to someone just getting into it) to talk to some local contractors and try determine the local market. In my experience it's not necessary to be charging more or shooting for the moon to be profitable. If you can get more than the next guy, great, but you might have to prove yourself first, and while you do that, the going market rate will be fine as long as you work hard and focus on efficiency.
I usually go straight to the roof, then sheathing schedule and hardware. I've been fortunate to have custom clients none of the trac system.
The 1st and 2nd home was a learning process. I ended up working with local contractor that saved my ass on the first bid. Genuinely a good person
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Just raise your (liveable) sq ftg price to include the garage in the price. Don't let them bend you over! Make them sign a 2% change order on all work performed also.
Bang!
so 2% of the over all price is what you charge for each changeorder? Im figuring out pricing for when i start my business. would charging by the hr be another good way to do it?
Really like the business end videos too!!
Thanks for the explanation, great video!
Wow.. I've known framers here in texas framing for $3.50, top pay is $5.50 here
Sean cost of living is far cheaper than California.
@@LoneWolfRanging I am aware
That is why we don't frame here, make more remodeling than framing.
I am a general contractor in So Cal. I would never tell framers that the garage is not included in the square footage that is just straight up stupid. I am guessing they say it has no interior walls. Most living areas in customs are big and empty with minimal walls just like a garage nowadays. open concept. Cool video, biggest downfall for contractors we see is not knowing their numbers.
You’re a rare one! Can’t tell you how many times we’ve been told garages aren’t included.
I like to talk numbers when it comes to projects, let’s put it all on the table and figure out where we stand.. Works best that way for everyone!
Here in Missouri we fight the same garage battle. I just raise my square ft price when someone tries this on me to offset the loss. Currently I am not having this issue but have faced it many times.
@@MattBangsWood Do you mean you ask whats his budget sort of thing?
this was an awesome video!! thanks for the help. You should do a foundation bidding video next!!
Beauty vid matty boi, love from the great north🇨🇦
Yeah he's smart on Bidding,like he said bid the garage square footage
To be honestly it’s us contractor who are dumb! We are always selling our work cheap and we make the customers that way!
Thank you Matt definitely want more of these !
Excellent formation. Thank you!! Learning lots from your videos.
Hey what's up bro my name is Vic. Just want to say I think you're doing an awesome job and your info is very helpful. Keep doing your thing bro. 👍🏼Respects
Nicely done Matt
Thank you!
How about a side video...in how to build a jugle gym.. for children... In the back yard...ahhhh...
Thank you very much with that video you have helped me very much im a New contractor and i hope you keep making videos bro
Of course. I want to stay on track with educational / business related, it's a fun topic!
I just started following you. Great content thanks for sharing
This is awesome information! Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
11:15
All your videos are very informative thank you
I know contractors in the Central Valley who factor in 20% overhead (like retail) and also a portion of the tools required for the job.
Price of square foot in NYC ?
Love watching your channel matt💋💋
Excellent please do more on bidding
Nice prices. In Pa. and it is still at or under 5.00 dollars a sqre. ft. and usually includes everything. Around 91' I did the 1rst Shawnee single family homes for 3.50 a sqre. Ft. and was an intense build. As I got ready to do the next one a bust in the boom happened and I was going to do it for 2.25 a sqre. ft. when someone else came and took it for 1.90 a sqre. ft..
Hard work and dedication
more business inside videos! Helps alot of us in the industry to be more open with finances !
Everyone can build, most struggle with the behind the scenes work.
Appreciate the feedback! Wasn't sure what would happen with this video.. :)
In NC we get anywhere from 3.50 to 7.00 psf depends on the build
Same here in Alabama 3.50 for a base slab 5+ for subfloors homes. Been this price since the 90s I made great money back then. Labor has doubled and cost of living is more. Prices is starting to go up with the lack of framing crews out there. Most framers here charge for all s.f. under roof, garage, Porches
How much do you guys per hour. As carpenters
Jaime Alvarado it totally depends on experience just a laborer 10-15 an experienced carpenter 20+
@@661FORD cali...25 low-75 fast guy
@@zacheagle3018 payroll ad on...250 per 1000 on bid
great videoc, very informative. yes more videos on the business end. much appreciated
Hey mat question
So after all set and done and you finalize you're price at 37,000 don't you add you're profit margin to the cost of this 37,000 so if you have a 10% margin you'd add another 3,700 to you're bid to insure overhead is paid including securing profits?
New to the business and lots to learn
Thxx for video
What is the average price per sq ft in California for residential rough framing?
I curious also! Matt?
That’s going to vary by region, or even by city if you are in an urban environment.
$1 Billion/sq ft around Las Angeles
I’m about $36 sqft with all material included.
Great video, your killing it mate.
You awesome brother, great point on the garage bid.
Do you use a specific software/tool for creating bids/estimates, etc? Or can you recommend any?
$3000 is not %20 of $18000, $3750 is. To get %20 of 18k devide 15k by the reciprocal of %20. ie. 15000 /.80 is 18750, %20 of which is profit.
Very good 👍👍👍 I need to get back into framing lots of money but hard 👍
Good stuff bro! You habe plans to do a video on how to write up proposals? Thats basicly the last big thing i need to learn about, to go out on my own. Thanks for the vids man.
Thanks for this information Matt
Do you have any recommendations on how to start your own business? How do you guys find houses to bid on? I’ve been framing for about a year and a half and that’s not including my night school summers and have always loved it! Cheers to you from nc
What do you do with a slab versus a basement?? Totally different work per square foot.
Where I live the builders always pay for the materials but the framers pay for nails and sill seal
They should pay for nail. Nail is materials stays in house
Tract home framing? It's seen typically when builder knows the exact material take-off. Surprised nails aren't covered as well though, should be an average per home.
I never herd of something like that. A contractor would have to have a of screw loose to even entertain that idea !
nick beam if you know it going into the job and include in your bid what’s the problem with providing fasteners? They have a habit of walking off the site. If the sub can bring them and keep them in their truck or gang box what’s the difference?
@@ELIRAXPRT Well i have to say if you give them builders a foot they will take a mile. But hey if you truly feel that way then there should be know reason not to build the deck or garage for free ether !!!
Great video! Thank you very much for your help
Bro, who do you recommend to create drawings (or has already cookie cutter drawings) for a simple home addition on a single story in Riverside County Ca.?
i like the way you think!
Awesome video Matt. In the video, you refer to sending your bid to the "builder". Could you clarify on what role that "builder" is in the project in relation to your team's role? I thought you guys were the builders since you do all the foundation, framing, etc. Thank you!
Think of it this way..
Client > General Contractor (Builder) > Subcontractors.
Client finds a general contractor to take on the build, builder finds subcontractors to complete the work. Most generals are what we call "Paper Contractors" - they don't work, they charge their 20% on top of all subcontractors and manage the projects as they go.
I know this is older video but do yall have any advice for customers? I am going to build a home and will need to solicit bids for framing. I understand it needs to be a fair give and take relationships but just do not want to be taken advantage of and pay to much or to less.
Nice, so now i know the mark up. Thanks.
What do you do about seriously twisted boards?
Now this is useful information. Maybe you could write a book about it?
Up here in Michigan as a sub framer to a developer/ general we get 4sqft that's production no materials
Where are u located in Michigan?because I'm down by Detroit and we were get 7-10 sq.ft sometime even higher
@@SkettenZEfanforever West Side of the state. I get 7-10 a sqft for coustom houses. My production price just went up also to 5 a sqft.
@@SkettenZEfanforever Also the production house we are build are simple boxes for the most part 8-10 day and they are done
Yeah dude for sure I guess thats about right tho I mean I just landed a 1 story 2800 sq. Ft. ranch custom home for 10 a square foot but honestly its worth more than that I got beat up on the price cut of all this covid
@@SkettenZEfanforever yeah I have foundations waiting and two subfloors covered up. Just waiting to get back at it.
Matt- I’m in Oregon.. getting ready to step into a 6k sq’ home in the Portland area. Is there any chance I could pick your brain about my proposal?
Hi Matt! Thanks for this great video. I get a lot of opportunities to bid the framing of shops and garages that are framed like a house, but with a concrete floor poured inside of a stem wall. Can you share roughly how you might adjust the, say $10/sf base, given that you don’t have to frame a floor, but also can’t build the walls and stand them up in a simple manner but instead have to either build the wall in place, or commission a crane to lift the large walls? ....like would that be an adjustment up or down in your opinion? No floor framing vs clunky wall construction... what do you think?
If you’re framing in an area that’s not finished, garage that hasn’t been poured.. you’re going to be slower pace. You’re moving walls multiple times.
Definitely an adjustment. Cranes aren’t cheap!
Hey where can I find the information for Matt’s take off?
Why wouldn’t garages be included. Those walls going to nail themselves? Stand themselves? Sheet and plumb themselves?
The thought is that there aren’t any interior partitions, normally no windows and a giant opening.. could argue the cost should be less? I’d rather have a good framer... you get what you pay for and a good framer makes life easier for all my trades. I see where the general is coming from, I’m a general... but that’s just being cheap.
Your stating it's a 1200sqft and yea I agree 10sqft but that 1200 sqft is the living space not including the roof system so shouldn't you be including the square footage of the roof into that aswell
has the lumber yard ever screwed up on your lumber takeoff? and if so do they address the error or do you?