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How we supposed to let you know the order of the stuff you're doing when you keep going crazy and doing you're own thing without us??! You didn't even do reactions for half the songs so we can't even follow along quick enough to steer you right! I'm glad it looks like you're reacting to this full album for us though, thank you for that!
I’m sorry, I’ll let y’all guide this process, I’m here for it. LETS GO!!!!!
@@LFRJojo it's ok to stray off the path bro. As long as you keep the real reactions
@@LFRJojo it starts with Infinite, Slim Shady LP, Marshall Mathers LP, The Eminem Show, Encore, Relapse, Recovery, Marshall Mathers LP2, Revival, Kamikaze and Music To Be Murdered By + Side B.
Also for encore if you want, skip My First Single and Rain Man, as those are his two worst songs.
@@LFRJojo do your thing bro your reactions are fire the fandom is toxic af lmao.
@@Xtacillusion Damn bruh I love Rain Man
It was so unique. You have to remember this was before TH-cam. Absolutely nothing like it ever produced. Was just a big FU to the world. At 16-17 I could relate
SHOT fired on point this is! I was a touch older k 20/21> when it dropped then changed The Doors through which I perceived.
Definitely man! I was 17/18 when it came out and I was all in. I liked SSLP but this was on a whole other level. I heard pac and biggie after they died and others like Nas years after there first couple albums drop but it's a whole different experience listening to a classic album when it drops.
There was plenty of stuff done that was horrorcore and FU the world before Eminem, he was just the first mainstream one.
This album is villainous. This level of craziness can be therapy for some people tho, Em included I'm pretty sure. It lets you spaz out for a bit, let out some rage and frustration. Kinda does the same shit some heavier metal music can. We all got a little crazy in us, gotta let that shit out in a healthy way sometimes. Plus he's rhyming his damn ass off on this album. His rhyme schemes are insane all throughout that evil shit lol. ✊🏽
well said, same with some hard rock
You're so right. I used Em's music today bc it makes me brave. Love him for that ❤
Exactly. This is a good outlet (imo) to release frustration, anger, and every negative emotions
Order of the albums
-Infinite
-Slim Shady LP
-Marshall Mathers LP
-The Eminem Show
-Encore
-Relapse
-Recovery
-Marshall Mathers LP 2
-Revival
-Kamikaze
-Music to Be Murdered By
you forgot Slim Shady EP
@@jaytaylor4345 Yeah cause it's an EP lol
@@Football101s i mean, yea u right. but considering its really his only ep and it has 10 tracks which is technically an album as eps are usually 2-6 tracks so i figured id mention it. but ur right he didnt forget it, my bad
The Marshall Mathers LP is a X rated album. Back in the day all of us edge lord teens with rough childhoods couldn't get enough of it. If your life sucks then this album is cathartic. It's okay to not like the album, it's hard as fuck.
Exactly. You put this shit on and RAGE inside and it helped. It made everything ok.
Facts.
You had to be there. This was meant to go against the grain of what was out in the industry at the time. It was not meant to be relatable in a literal sense. But there is a track on here called the real slim shady where he literally says -
"I'm like a head trip to listen to, 'cause I'm only givin' you
Things you joke about with your friends inside your livin' room
The only difference is I got the balls to say it in front of y'all
And I don't gotta be false or sugar-coat it at all"
Now tell me that isn't relatable
stan is the best hip hop storytellyng song of all time, period.
Sing about me, I'm dying of thirst wants to know your location
@@Football101s bruh moment
@@flakitootee hmmm
Dance with the Devil
Nah I lpve stan and eminiem but dancing with the devil by immortal technique is the best story telling song ever
G'damn... when this came out, I played it so much that the cd broke and mind you I live in Iceland, in a tiny village, way up north.. I had to mail order that thing! I was 12 years old! :D Really takes me back, seeing you reacting to this, thank you! :D
Yeah I live in Ireland, it was easy for me to get, but I definitely wasn't listening to this with my parents around even though I was 17 lol. And same with the first album
@@fionamb83 HaH! I had the "privalge" that my parents didn't understand a word he was saying, so i was blasting that stuff day and night! :D
@@fionamb83 haha! I'm over the water in the UK and had it on cassette and played it every morning before bed coz I was working constant night-shift. My Mum bought me the CD for Xmas. Funny thing is the cassette lasted longer 😃 I moved from Glasgow to Colchester 7 months after getting the CD and it was already f*cked it had been played so much. The younger generation are lucky with the crazy technology. Bet they can't imagine having to decide whether to use the phone or the Internet...
Kill you isn't a song to relate to, it's a song to admire his pen, cadence, whatever, along with most of this album, that's why it's so many people's favorite.
Plus it's just so God dam fire. Plus there is a message behind all of it. You dont have to relate to the words of raping his mom.
My guy, em is still addicted to drugs, angry, young and just wanting to have fun. He’s going about having fun the wrong way but the only way he knows. What is hard to relate to.
Em wasn’t addicted to drugs on this album. It was recreational use. His drug addiction didn’t start till he was filming 8 mile and got given ambien so he could sleep. He has said that himself. So it’d be around the time he was done or finishing TES. Either way that wouldn’t be enough to mess with his music. Encore is what a drug addicted em sounds like lol.
@@Sokkq Yeah, opioid addiction is what almost killed him. Funny how it circles around to opium isn't it? Heh. Not Funny Haha don't get the wrong idea people. Funny strange. *sigh*
@@Sokkq Either way it's the feel of it. If you can't relate to this growing up idk what to say.
Eminem is straight up 3 people. Shady is crazy, Marshal Mathers is thought provoking and more real. Eminem is a straight wordsmith. The whole point of Shady was shock value
OMG, I'm over here just LAUGHING MY ASS OFF at you're reaction to his craziness!! hahaha such a pure reaction to hearing this for the first time! LOVE IT
I love your perspective on his songs.
FYI people weren't so f****** soft back in the day. You could say was on your mind they would be like all right
Thats because you were saying shit in person, not hiding over the internet. If you were going to say some shit, you better mean it, and better yet, be ready to back it up. We need to get back to those days.
@@juicesghost8501 are you coming to me I already got a warrant out for my arrest. You name the place and the date
@@juicesghost8501 oh my bad I only read half conversation before I own spoke but I was ready to go my man💪
@@juicesghost8501 point taking I grew up in a trailer park I saw people get shot I was in survival mode since I was 5 years old I know how it is some people don't
Oh man so we are doing this? We are taking him on this journey oh lord are we sure he is ready?
"If my kid were listening to this..."
Bruh that's why the parental advisory sticker's there. Your kids shouldn't be hypothetically 🤣
He changed the rap game because all rappers before him loved their moms. He was the first rapper that I was aware of who hated his mother. Still his best album by far. Great reaction video by the way keep up the good work
OG eminem was insane and I love it
As a 50+ surfer guy, it cracks me up that a rap fan is just getting to this album. But yeah one of the huge rap albums of all time!
Lol, why is your being middle aged and a surfer relevant to knowing hip hop?
love this album. so much
Best story teller
From Stan to freaken Bad guy...
Mind blowing
When shady did this it was a middle finger to the world this was on at everyone’s crib back in the day.. shady mania ever since
I really like the multiple song format!
If I get locked up tonight - EMINEM was on a funk flex album. Also, Eminem - Dispicable
Such a heavy song
I was gonna say I def let you know in the comments lol. Glad to see you coming back
Lots of love bro ❤️❤️
i fkin love your reaction . keep it up .
Kill you is literally a death metal song without guitar. When you hear the lyrics you can’t help but laugh at it but it in an awesome way. Same thing with a cannibal corpse song
Therapy, just getting out all the insane feels and you'll feel better ✋😌
It's just a visualization of one's thoughts & feelings. Too much or dark for sum sometimes but for many it's not. He's always said to never take the majority of his lyrics literally.
I really respect that you don’t hide your emotions, music is a beautiful thing and effects me too. (You should check out the clip of randy macho man savage talking about crying, it’s super short)
Ya gotta take into context all the heat he was taking from his lyrics In his 1st album. From protesting to congress. He just embraced it & said eff it..
And it worked perfectly..
But, he also did a wide array of tracks etc. Way I Am, Stan, Etc. He always did a great mix
No, he never met his father. His parents were in a band together and they split up while he was a baby. He sent letters as a child that all came back unopened. When he became famous his father tried to get in touch to say he was proud, but EMINEM said she didn’t need his approval and refused to see him or speak to him. After he died EM refused to go to the funeral and on Music To Be Murdered By he made a track saying he wanted to dig him up and spit in his face and his family tried to sue him for the song, but the judge threw the case out. I was in third grade when this album came out and I discovered EMINEM with ENCORE when I was in seventh grade.
Man mmlp is such an classic love the album cant wait for part 2
Edit: thanks for byuing my album :) 🧢
this has been my favorite Em album since it dropped. still is... not ashamed to admit i'm a 47yo female medical professional whose favorite Em song is still "kill you" 😂
edited to add that my mom loved eminem. not all parents freaked out over him... just most of them. slim shady lp dropped when i was 23 and i had to buy it twice cause my mom stole my first copy 🤦🏼♀️ then again she also bought me "straight outta compton" when i was 13 😊 my mom was awesome.
I was listening to this when I was around Idk 8-9. So I was oblivious to most of the things he was sayin. When I was around 13 I started to understand how crazy this shit was I understood the attacks he was gettin from the public and the government. But I really didn't care how outrageous these songs were. I was more amazed by how great of a thing the freedom of speech you guys have in USA. I still do tbh. I am 24 now and he still is my fav rapper. Slim Shady LP is my fav album of all time not just in hip hop but all genres included. MMLP is a close second.
Eminem also talk to everyone, to just LEAVE HIM THE F ALONE. 🤷🏻♀️
As we already know, his 'Slim' persona is one of his 3 one... Through in *My Darling* it looks, he got 4th persona close to Antichrist/Satan/Demon himself. 🤷🏻♀️
But at time, he got himself just those 3. Also, switching between so many personas, dealing with so many emotions, is hard in itself... And his life is NEVERENDING ROLLER COASTER, full of so much negativity since born, that it is miracle, he did not got crazy... At least OUTRIGHT CRAZY. Songs are way of channelling all those intensive feelings and verbalizing them help him get rid of them. 🙃
This is the first album I ever owned...I was about eleven years old. It's so fun watching you go through this.
In regards to the whole “relating” thing it’s not necessarily about relating all the time which is why I never understand the heavy criticism from the black community on his shady kill you persona. It’s simple entertainment no different than a horror flick, don’t need to be a murderer to enjoy horror slasher flicks know what I mean?
Wikipedia is usually good as a list of studio albums for major artists. Also, it depends if you want to include Devil's Night, D12 World, and Hell: The Sequel.
i hate to break it to ya folks, but "kill you" is scientifically, objectively, logically em's greatest track and one of the greatest 1st tracks on a hip hop album in history. quintessential shady. you havent lived until youve seen the Deftones live perform "kill you"
He exacerbated so much on every song so if you have a bit of brain you can understand that he dont mean every word..but if you notice how people react on things like growing up with no parents or you get beat up or your girl cheat on you, you can say so many things in your mind like killing or hitting someone ext..it doesn’t mean that you are going to do it. He thinks like the most of the people and he just write it on the songs.
Jojo, this album is a response to all the critics. He said anything he could to mock everyone that had something to say about him, his music, his background, his family, and his intentions. Everything from being a wanna be black rapper, to a will be forgotten rapper because he'll run out of stuff to rap about. He put all he could in this album to run it in the music industry's face that he could say anything he wanted and get away with it. Needless to say, he was right lol.
Back when MTV was music videos those were the days, I miss the 90’s so much
Catch the "same thing tweece?" @10:22. My fave part of the song as always. #GOAT
Man you had to be there. This is one of the best albums of all time
And yes, forget greatest minute intro!
I think because of the way he's written it from 2 perspectives, it's real life situations & dark tone. Plus the epic remix with Dido's song (which really makes it).. I genuinely think it's one of the greatest songs ever written. It's so clever
I was in my early 30s and listening to his flow - about a character... I was reading Stephen King and found The Eminem Show first - and coming back to catch up on this, it's a album I enjoyed singing along with - the strut feels good.
I grew up with this album and marshal Mathers LP. I am going through nostalgia like crazy. From age 10-12 and up or so
I was 12yrs old when this dropped and it ABSOLUTELY BLEW MY MIND!
Im 20 and started listening to him hard about a year and a half ago. I was always a fan but once I heard kill you and criminal I was hooked. The idgaf attitude and violent nature of the songs give me a bit of confidence fore some reason.
Top 5 albums of all time
My favorite album from Em
Back in the day a friend of mine let me borrow this lp...he never saw that cassette again! Use to sit all afternoon in front of the stereo listening on the headphones.
one of my fav em lines of all time the song ( kill you ) "serial killer hiding murder material in a cereal box on top of your stereo" SO CLEAN WITH IT SHEESH
Ok ok ok I'm puasing. U need to know why the 🐐 is the 🐐
I hope you're doing okay JoJo..were here for you, be well...
all fathers are a lil crazy too
This was my favorite album at 11 years old. Needless to say my childhood was not fantastic.
We just grew up in a better time with actual free speech.
Yes things are going backwards
We lose rites now all over the world
Best em album
the flow!!! fuck what he talkin bout in the song, nobody can rap like this.
We like it because it was different and goes against authority. We are a generation that was taught to question authority!
He's a very expressive artist. Feel it
I had every word to this album memorized when I was 12 yrs old
I was 11 when this came out, and I remember having to convince my older cousin to get money from my mom to buy it for me cause my mom was so against me listening to Shady back then. Once i got home, i played that album on repeat for a whole week!
Spot on young man.
This was Slims middle finger to the world!
And it was straight 🔥
For me the energy he brought to this album was as much rock n roll as hip hop 💀
As a guy who has followed your dad's channel. My dad just died 3 days ago. I see him in you....😔❤
Dude honestly when listening to his old shit. STOP thinking about Today and how it is. Just Listen
remember this is after 2 live crew won the obscenity trial in the 90s guaranteeing artists the right to make this album. we all owe luther campbell a huge thank you. legend.
I'm 41 I grew up in the 80s I only got shoes when I outgrew them my dad one time cut the toes off of my shoes and told me to tell people that that was the new style he later bought me a new pair dude you got a lot of damn shoes
That took an unexpected turn there at the end lol.
@@juicesghost8501 lol just trying to say kids nowadays don't know what it was like to grow up back in the '80s when you had nothing
@@Jackd-lz2hn Some people still have nothing
@@lea88pu 😂 I'm homeless right now I don't know where you going that question statement excuse me
@@lea88pu I was just reminded of a story from my past
Old Em 👌🤣
Miss the wild times
Bruh our parents were disconnected. We were miles away from them in the woods literally miles away. They had no idea what we were doing as long as we came home for dinner. I know it sounds ridiculous now but I was literally riding my bike an hour across town building a fort in the woods and we came home for dinner and our parents asked us no questions because we came back and were safe. The world was just like that.
Wow that felt like it was 5 minutes.
The "I'm not Acid Rap but I rap on acid" line from Kill You is a reference to Esham the Unholy, a rapper from Detroit.
I guess cos of your age the 'got the machete from OJ' line went right over your head 🤣 love 'kill you', it's so fun despite the outrageous lyrics, my friend got given this cd from his uncle back when we were like 10 years old and it was badass listening to this cd in his bedroom and the offspring 👌🔥 his mum was like I don't mind u listening to it as long as u never repeat what he says 😅 good times
Bruh I was in middle school when this came out and it was the best shit ever
Bought this album when the record store opened and listened at lunch.
You kids don't know.
I had this explicit album when I was 11 the dj at the radio station gave it to me, I'm 32 and just fine lol
Before Eminem my favorite was Korn, Tupac, 2 live crew,, uncle luke lol but then I knew the GOAT Eminem from first time hearing. Still can karaoke like 7 albums lol
I've come to the conclusion that I can't listen to Stan if I'm in a bad mood. It messes with your emotions.
RIGHT THE SONG!!!!
If you think his lyrics are bad look up ICP. They’re not in the same category but are equally shocking in their lyrics. Korn was also shocking when it comes to the lyrics. Eminem bridged the gap for a lot of us who liked heavy metal and crazy music and rap too. Eminem raised a whole generation of white kids who turned into powerful outspoken people in my experience.
Also that intro for Stan is a whole ass song by dido lol 😆 I’m glad you like it. She was popular then.
Parents would picket and burn his cds when they came out. He didn't get away with it he just didn't give a f***
First "I don't get how people relate to this"then "I went through a phase where I would of loved to hear this ". 🤔😀
Keep in mind, just like with movies, they had parental advisory on albums. Kids shouldn't be able 2 buy without parents consent.
But, regardless, if you're raised right, you know right from wrong & listening to music or watching movies aren't gonna make you recreate the ish.
I was bumping nwa when I was 10-12, behind my parents backs.. didn't make me gang bang, sling or call a cop a pig.(to his face..lol)
Social media ruined everything too many people can complain and get things banned now, back then you had to write a letter
I remember I was listening to Eminem Show and my mom came in and snapped it in half because she thought ems music was the reason my grades were bad....I bought another copy the next day lol
Man I wish I could explain. I was a 11 when I first started listen. 2001 and from the Midwest (Missouri). I see you also have a lot of people telling you about Tech too. (Comment for the not alike video) So let me try my best to give you some background back In 2001’s Midwest America. I can’t say this is for all Midwest but for Missouri for sure.
1. 1990-2010 was the highest percentage of kids taken into foster care
2. Abuse was just starting to her out as being wrong. Mental health not a huge thing yet.
3. This same time both parents had to work to support the house so kids were left home alone after school everyday and home all day alone when no school.
4. You have 9/11
5. DARE was forced in school in 4th and 5th grade that back fired. Instead of stopping drug use it introduced it at a younger age along with providing ways to obtain these drugs.
7. The introduction of BET & MTV
I mean the above is just some of the things and you add it all together you get pissed off, rebellious kids/teens, that wanted to fight against parents way of life.
What ems music introduced and how it effects now
1. Freedom of speech in songs
2. Rap is now mainstream and available on the radio.
3. Open interstate communication about abusive parents, abusive partner, and mental health
4. Open communication about Political topics that were never talked about such as the racial divide, the American wars, LGBTQ, government corruption and many more! (These weren’t talked about in this area at the time other than “it’s bad”, “not true”, or some other excuse. It was seriously a time where it was so as I say believe what I say) for instance 9/11 happened we watched it all day in 6th grade! All day over and over again. Got back to my Christian group home and was told “so something bad happened today. I don’t want you guys to worry because whatever happens is Gods will. You don’t have to worry because if they attack again we will be the target since we are the center of the US and it will be a quick death” and was made to pray for my salvation!!! That is what we were dealing with and I say we because again in MO this was the way.
So how at 11 how I related was; I was abused and thrown in foster care @5, 7 & again 10 . I hated my life, i hated everyone as I was moved around all the time and didn’t stay anywhere long to make friends. (Sound similar to his songs?)
2014-I was adopted at 14 and hate my adopted mom (intro cleaning out my closet). My adopted parents fought back with me on my music choice calling to devils music. You know because everything is about God in the Bible Belt
2016-They kicked me out at 16. Drove me a hour away from their house and dropped me off with nothing.
Found a program to help me get my GED so I could try to support myself.
2017-Got with an abusive BF-ran the streets-drugs you know
Come 18 (2008) had a kid. decided I didn’t want that life anymore! Went and got counseling and went and got a college education! Today I am a happily married mom and supporter of my family. (Still don’t talk to my adopted family)
What he gave me was an escape to not act on my feelings. I never felt alone in the world listening to his music. Someone else understands! But also the knowing I could get out!!! I’m alive because of him!
Fast forward through adult hood. I have grown up with his music. I say it like that vs I grew up with Em is because idk when the songs were actually written just when they dropped on his albums.
Yeah, Eminem was extremely rough around the edges when he first became famous back in the late 90's. He had a lot of issues and aggression to work out and music helps people do that. He finally calmed down after a few years and started rapping about nicer things. I loved him from the moment his first song came out, though. I'm not saying he wasn't still negative in some of his raps. He was, but not to the extreme when he first became famous. I still love his style, regardless.
Yo em fkd my head up lol, I was like 10 started listening, bunch of stuff, my music range is crazy, I was thinking wayne was best back when he was like 16. Ever hear that stuff? I got crooked as my top now, like kinda by far
His first slim shady LP got so much backlash for the lyrics that when he dropped this follow up album, he went out of his way to really say things to really piss off the critics even more on purpose. Some of it was real but a lot of it was tongue n cheek. But in the end it was to make the critics more mad. Basically if they want to take everything literal, then he’s going to double down and say the worst shit he can think of.
I hope to see him react to D12 .... Eminems rap group
The highest selling rapper of our generation bruh , and our parents listened to it with us. This is why we tell you Zoomers you really don’t wanna fuck with older generations. We are crazy and will do wild shit you really don’t think humans will do lol.
Oldskool/ 90's etc ..Hip-Hop ..and other genres for that matters.. Was always (Very) sarcastic.. Honesty,. artists wanted to shock the public into reality.. Open peoples eyes.. Most of us found/ find it hysterical 😂… peeps these days no fault (just times different)
Untill they get it.. ( the concept) that its tongue in cheek.., they all taking the p!$$. Lol.. It must same weird. But this why I this why I think, you do these kind reaction videos.. To it all, is amazing.. Educating The younger dudes.. So you'd can enjoy too.. 🎉.. 🙌🙌🙌🙌
Yo Jojo, would like to see you react to RITTZ music. He raps fast
🤙
I was listening to Em at 5 or 6 and I was born in 96
The thing is, 11 and 12 years olds got the joke and understood without being told, that he was not being literal. It was really rude and really funny. Like the loudest, smelliest fart in church. It was just wrong on so many levels but whether people would like to admit it, he just spit it better than 90% of rappers out there.
I like this album because of where it fits in context. Slim Shady LP was a huge hit and I think no one was as surprised as Em. The sudden switch from begging people to take him seriously to having a legion of very loyal but insane fans. I mean, you don’t have to be insane to like Eminem but if you happen to be antisocial and crazy back then, Eminem would probably be your favorite rapper
11 year olds?
You just asked why we love & relate to him so hard because he’s villainous and how did we relate? Let me explain at least how was for me..
I grew up super poor, drug dealer dad, meth head mom. My mom & dad named is Crystal because my mom was on meth for the first 6 months of her pregnancy with me because she didn’t know she was pregnant. So dad got busted for dealing drugs, went to prison, mom had mental health break downs (she was bipolar & schizophrenic) and me & my sister got taken away. My great grandma took us in but our great uncle lived there too & he was old af like 50 or some shit (I was 5 so he seemed old af is all I know) anyway he drugged us & SA’d us almost every night for 2 years. That came out. We got put back with our mom until she relapsed and had another drug induced mental break down. We got taken away again and put into foster care.
All this happened before I was 8- so at 8 years old I remember being in my room in my new foster home. I turned on the tv and was just trying to be ok. I had no friends, was chubby, bullied, poor, in a new town in a new home with strangers. I turned on the tv & Eminem’s “hi my name is” came on. It distracted me from my life. I got my hands on a copy of the slim shady LP on cassette tape & I put it on, listened to it start to finish & it was everything for me. When I was scared or sad or angry, When I wanted to scream or cry or run or die, I would just listen to Eminem & he got me through my whole life. It was so cathartic & comforting to hear him rap about how shitty his mom was, how hard his life was, how poor and shitty life is, how other people steal and shit. That song “rock bottom” got me through a lot of shit. And then other ones like “under the influence” gave me words to keep in my head to get through times I was being bullied.
So imagine being so hurt and angry and scared and not knowing if you’re gonna be ok. Then you put this shit on and just RAGE inside. And it made everything better. I’ll forever Stan Em. And I know this comment is long af- and Ik my childhood was hell but the thing is- I think A LOT of people had a really hard fucking childhood and this shit just helped us. And how popular he got- I think it helped us realize there were a TON of us going through it & somehow that helped.