I normally don't disagree with Bully, but you can't tell me that Rock wasn't expecting to get boos after going on Pat McAfee's show and calling the fans Cody Crybabys. They know what they were doing.
Exactly...The Rock said everything on McAfee's show and at that press conference to get as much heat as he possibly could as quickly as he possibly could....at it seemed to work...that tells me that it was purposeful, at least some part of it was.
If you ever want to know why Bully didn’t make the transition to permanent main event star in the WWE, here it is. You can’t convince me the WWE didn’t quickly pivot after Punk got hurt and laid this direction out fairly quickly with Hunter at the helm. They, including The Rock, absolutely knew Cody was going to get the support from the diehards. No question. Did Bully not watch him on Pat’s show?
I think Bully forgot Rock has been an actor for the past 20 years? Lol he was definitely playing up the crowd and leaning into reality... thats the point.
@_NutcasE_ "Bad" ima need you to watch more movies if you think he's bad. Of course his not Daniel Day Lewis. He shows a small range in different films, but yes, he's mostly the character type. That said, it doesn't make him bad, just predictable. Rock turned it on here and that's what matters
@@_NutcasE_ and that is more than enough needed in pro wrestling. Its not some high art lol. From that perspective rock is a great actor. Stop with this armchair criticism.
Sometimes it confuses me when things arent picked up on especially by other wrestlers. 1. Why would seth leave the stage? He is there for a reason. Yes he looked like he didnt matter and was being shit on, because thats how he was being treated. And then cody got hit, he gets involved and boom SUDDENLY seth is very important and clearly in the mix. And you didnt need to see his promo on raw last night to know that. It was clear at the kick off event that they were bringing him into this (potential tag match or 1v1 with rock) 2. Roman is supposed to look small because of the rock. There is a clear dynamic at play here. Youre supposed to notice him play the little brother roll and be outshined by the rock. Roman did it to everyone else in the bloodline. The rock doing it to him and roman appearing lesser and not his equal adds more to their fued. Its simple story telling folks. Stories take time to tell and the best ones are subtle.
Bingo! Exactly my thoughts. My buddy was telling me Rock makes Roman look weak, and I told him that's great because it is just another layer to build upon down the road between them. You could even turn Roman face against the Rock. The weak and strong garbage being thrown out by youtubers and their sheep is so close minded to bigger and better storytelling.
If the press conference didn't go as the WWE expected, did they think having the Rock slap Cody was going to make the Rock a Babyface? Did the Rock go into business for himself? Did Triple H call an audible and whisper in Rock's ear "slap him!" Like if the press conference didn't go how they expected, what did they expect?
Can't help but totally disagree with Bully especially. This was pro-wrestling at its' best and i'm actually glad it wasn't overproduced and came across as a realistic sports based press conference - this is exactly what TKO want out of the product! The press conference itself was definitely planned to look impromptu from commentary to camera work, I think it was executed to perfection. Secondly, I absolutely love that The Rock is making Roman look like a little boy because this sums up what Roman truly is, he is a delusional, narcissistic character who is awarded his power by The Bloodline, The Rock makes Roman look like what he actually is, just another wrestler who is nowhere near as powerful as he believes.
Bully is wrong about Rock not expecting the boos. You can tell he expected this by the promo he cut on McAfee earlier in the day. Also, you can see he was prepared for it by the way he handled the situation while on stage.
Oh, come on Bully! This was Creative Writing 101: show them what they want, then convince them why they can’t have it. And, yeah, things probably changed when Brock and Punk were suddenly out - but I doubt they changed much, Rock likely taking the role of Punk or Brock pulling rank/contract to challenge Roman - they also both have their stories with Heyman - Brock vs Roman has history. You could argue, “But the audience would think that’s bullshit!” Yeah, that’s the point. It’s like the eighth time they did a variant of this storyline going into Wrestlemania in the past 25 years. And if you look a little closer: 1. Cody “finishing his story” was always the marketing for Wrestlemania. 2. No Escape/Elimination Chamber would have yielded challenger 2, what do they do if Cody’s challenging Seth? Challenge Seth too? 3. WWE manufactured the “WeWantCody” hashtags and chanting. They were handing out signs. 4. The Rock began his heel turn almost immediately. Heck! Even CM Punk that may have played part or all of The Rock’s role originally was turning heel. 4. And come on! Do you really believe WWE in 2024, a company that plans out everything, and starts planning out Wrestlemania right after Summerslam, is suddenly going to wing it for Wrestlemania? Come on, man! And no, this isn’t just “you’re saying that after the fact” because people, including those on your TH-cam channel, were saying it earlier. You got worked! Don’t be embarrassed by it with this “they don’t know what they’re doing yet!” BS -, embrace it! It’s what’s fun about wrestling.
It's actually surprising that Bully and Henry are that off. It's clear as day that ROCK is HEEL now and Cody is beating Reigns at Mania. People think ROCK is CENA or something and he's the ULTIMATE BABYFACE. ROCK has been as HEEL as he was BABYFACE in his career. It's just been decades he hasn't been HEEL that's why people seem to think that he's not comfortable being HEEL. ROCK been HEEL from the start. He's was actually starting to become a bit phony as a BABYFACE lately. He'll be a much more genuine and free as a HEEL. They got it right with ROCK being in front of Reigns too. ROCK is the REAL BOSS now, he's not just a talent anymore. Rollins had a good promo on RAW last night. He'll be part of the story up until Mania. He might be part of it at Mania too. Hell they could even do Rollins ROCK on night 1.
Holy shit with this show. Given the long track record of Bloodline storytelling, and the family tree they showed with Rock as High Chief, did it not occur to y'all that maybe Rock stepping over Roman is planting the seeds for how you get to Rock/Roman eventually? Roman drops to Cody and Rock turns on him or takes his place? Lord.
Was thinking the same thing when the press conference went down. It make sense, have Rock overshadow Roman, Roman loses the title at Wrestlemania so The Rock challenges Roman for Tribal Chief since Roman lost, there blood in the water. Can either have Roman vs Rock at Summerslam or next year Wrestlemania
Not all 3 of y’all acting like fans aren’t already sold on the angle and Bully acting like The Rock wasn’t fully anticipating the boos. He cut the “heel” promo on the McAfee show. While I agree this wasn’t the initial plan, give them credit for pivoting
The WrestleMania Press Conference was probably one of the best things the WWE has done in a long time, I’m not sure why the Busted Open Crew is so down on it. Also Brian Gewirtz ( the Rocks main writer ) has been giving bread crumbs about this storyline on social media before the online backlash for Cody so maybe Bully is upset he got worked. Either way who cares it’s still great! Maybe with Punks injury it was a slight pivot but also the Rock saying long gamer too I think there’s been a plan in place they’ve just been flexible. Really disappointed with the Busted Open Crew, we’re getting Cody and Roman and the Rock and Rollins involved for Wrestlemania, I’m not sure what there is to complain about and nitpick.
I am shocked that you guys don't get it. They knew what they were doing with Rock when he took the lead. That will be how that arch goes Rock not knowing his role. That was clearly on purpose. Rock will cause Roman to lose or wine but it will set up Summerslam. When they fight someone has to be a face and it can't be the Rock but they can turn it to Roman easier making the Rock a bigger heel
Wwe can make the rocky Babyface again, how do they achieve that they can have Roman turn on the Rock while he's stiill heel, it obvious Roman will retain at mania and pull a turn on the Rock after that.
With the most respect to Bully, there's a big difference between 'they knew this was what they were doing from the very beginning' and 'they knew exactly what they were doing that night'. Nobody serious came out of the presser saying the former, but many people - correctly - were saying the latter. The plan for Mania is set. Obviously so. They wouldn't have locked in Cody vs Roman for the title if everyone wasn't committed to it and all the building blocks around it. They wouldn't send Cody, the company's top babyface, out on stage to call BS on Rock/Roman if it wasn't the expectation that Rock would get booed, and they sure as hell wouldn't call an audible to do it in the middle of the presser. They now have two months to finesse the details and make whatever the plan is work, and we saw the first steps of that with Seth on Raw. Will it be good? No idea. It might not be. Is it a pivot from the original plan? Almost certainly. Were they 100% in control of what they were doing at the presser? Yes. We're just not being given the full picture yet. Tune in this Friday/Monday to find out what happens next etc. Again, all due respect but... I'm surprised how much the guys come off as marks here.
I normally agree with Bully and crew’s insight on situations like these, but I think their off on this one. The Rock has been leaving breadcrumbs on all the social platforms for months about playing the long game and etc. This is a 2 year saga written out like a Movie with the Help of Brian G, Paul Heyman and Triple H. The Goal is to have Roman vs The Rock next year with the best story telling we have ever seen. Yes they will call audibles when people get hurt etc. But they knew what they were doing to the point I believe they would have the people you reached out to would be informed to give you a run around answer.
Nah it still doesn't make sense. Nobody cares about Seth. He's clearly a Punk fill in at best. He makes no sense and shoehorning the shield crap is nauseating.
@@zacharymannik3498 you're telling me Seth needs to protect Cody from Roman, "be his shield", when Seth was the one who fucked up the shield? That makes sense? It's a shoehorn move from H and nothing more. This clearly wasn't the plan. God help us if it was lol
@@alexanderletzing6705 it makes sense because cody had noone to help him last year and now there is also the rock. The point is cody just cant go out by himself against the whole bloodline again and expect a differant result. Cody and seth have history through mutual respect and this also brings jey and samj to come to codys aid. Tell me you didnt actually listen to the promo without telling me you didnt.
what i know for sure is that wwe managed to kill 2 birds with 1 stone with that press conference, they made cody as the ultimate babyface of the company while also slowly build up rock vs roman feud by adding those small details like made the rock look bigger than roman on camera or the rock walking ahead of roman like he is in charge of the bloodline, etc.. i think wwe knew what they're doing, not to mention rock's statement at pat's podcast, or what he said in that espn show that he is a long gamer, they clearly want to build heat, and thats why this was one of the best wrestlemania press conference i've ever seen..
In my opinion I think Roman looked the way he did because this is all building to the future story of the 1 on 1 match at SummerSlam or even survivor series since they both debuted there between the rock and Roman. They team together at Mania but it’s going to break down due to Roman realizing that the rock has slowly taken his place at the head of table. This leads to Roman going from the biggest heel to a baby face cause no one is going to want the rock to beat roman
Yeah, I was with Bully's points last week, but based purely on the actions on the night, the podcast earlier in the day introducing the 'Cody crybabies', introducing the family tree and The Rock legitimately saying 'it doesn't matter what you think' to the people and meaning it, the slap, the backstage altercation with HHH. We can speculate as to whether they were going to go this way with Cody after THAT Smackdown segment, but by the night, Rock was supposed to be a heel. That doesn't mean that The Rock wasn't irked by the reaction from the fans. Let's not forget that this is a man who has set himself up as having the greatest PR in the world, hasn't been booed really in wrestling in nearly 20 years, and has been in Disney and kids films, is great in interviews. Boos are not natural for him anymore, so it probably was jarring. The other alternative is that Rock actually just played it to perfection. I'm not saying he's the greatest actor in the world, but he was much better as doing the dramatic arts in the wrestling ring. This actually is his greatest canvas. I know it's unprovable, but I think it's highly likely you're wrong on this one.
I believe The Rock & Cody planned this when they spoke to bring down Roman at WM 40. Seth was looking at Rock & talking top him. Roman is playing little brother to the Rock to set up Rock vs Roman at WM 41. If you looked at the Bloodline graphic, Roman is not labeled as "Tribal Chief" but Rock is labeled as a "High Chief" 💯
Honestly having the rock and roman holding both world titles coming out of mania would be crazy and have my eyes glued to the tv following up on raw and smackdown. Only problem is Cody absolutely gets buried as a result and he needs to finish the damn story at mania otherwise he goes to the back of the line. I think rock vs seth would be crazy and he if he happens to beat seth that could lead to a slew of potential things but cody has to win at mania imo.
I think there was a pivot due to the backlash but I think it happened on the Raw before the press conference. That was when they started acting like Cody had never made a decision. By that Thursday they had their new plan for Rock to go full heel on the McAfee show and when it got to the press conference they were on track and got exactly what they expected.
Bully I disagree with you boss. This was planned & I love it. WWE is doing it right & I love it. Turning Rock heel is exactly what this story needs. Now Paul can sneak out the backdoor & manage the new up & coming star. I thought after my guy passed away I wasn't going to watch WWE anymore. This storyline is looking to be a good one.
Just starting this weeks podcast, but I get the feeling the WWE writers are 100% with their plans, storytelling and direction between Royal Rumble and Mania. I do not think they are pivoting, and I think any press they are getting is free advertising for their original plans.
The bottom line is... if Punk hadn't gotten injured, we wouldn't be having these conversations. Punk vs Rollins would undoubtedly be headlining night one, and people would be very invested in that. Rollins wouldn't be so lost. My only thought is, they had to have some sort of plan or idea for Rollins before Punk came on board. Am I wrong?
Seth does clap back with good responses and to say he doesn’t is false. He clapped back at Roman during the press conference and attacked rock on stage. Seth had a fantastic promo the week before and an even better promo this week. “Wife shoes but I run laps around you” “glad to see you showed up to work for once”. We mustn’t forget that Roman has NEVER beat Rollins 1 v 1. Imo that’s why he got the new belt and that’s the angle they should be using going into Mania. Seth v Rock, if Rock wins he can say he beat someone Roman couldn’t. Cody v Roman, Cody wins and Roman beat Cody last year which Seth couldn’t do either.
I disagree with their take about Seth at the press conference. I think that it was immediately obvious that the previous battles between Seth and Cody was leading to an alliance. Also Seth dropped an F-bomb at the Rock which is no small deal
I keep hearing that Seth being there doesn't make any sense. This is Roman Reigns we are talking about....nobody knows Roman better than Seth Rollins. Seth being there makes all the sense in the world. We aren't gonna see Dustin come over from AEW to help Cody so the second best option is Roman's "brother" Seth. I don't know just yet how they can fix Seth and his championship problem, but I can see either a tag team match happening or Rock vs Seth happening. Seth said last night that he can be Cody's shield. That makes sense. The Rock is fully embracing his heel turn. And I think something will happen at Mania to start the Rock vs Roman match at Mania.
Wow I didn’t realize how much I liked Seth Rollins but mark and Dave helped me realize it I thought it was obvious coming out of the conference they are building to a tag either at the chamber or mania
The rock stepped in front and made roman look secondary because i guarantee it will be put into play that he is taking over as head of the table. Thats what will be the catalyst that leads into roman vs rock.
So I need to now hear their thoughts on Seth after Raw last night cause that was one of Seth’s best promos ever imo the last line when he said “There is not a man on earth that is more uniquely suited to be your SHIELD” gave me chills that was so good and now I’m really intrigued to see how Seth will play into this story with Cody Roman Rock will we get a tag match at the Chamber will we get Rock vs Seth at some point and also who is gonna win this damn Chamber match cause it’s lookin STACKED Drew Randy Knight Bobby so far out of those four I would put my money on Drew of course but also can they shock everyone and have LA Knight win and go to Wrestlemania against Seth for the World Heavyweight Championship 👀
Thank you BULLY! Thank you for bringing up Friday when Cody clearly said no to Roman at Mania! The plan all along was The Rock vs Roman, there’s a reason why they started slowly bringing up Rock on SD & Raw
With Seth's injury, I'm expecting him to lose his title as the opening match of Night 2, if they do the Cody & Seth vs Roman & Rock tag match on Night 1. Seth will face the winner of the Elimination Chamber (Drew) but Damian Priest will cash in and leave with the title. I think that will set up Damian vs Drew for the following PLE. This will allow Seth to get whatever surgeries he needs, and time to heal. Seth comes back and goes off on everyone. They disrespected him. Treated him like his title reign didn't matter. Now he is going to settle some scores. This could be a major heel turn or we could get a Roman vs Seth grudge match at next years WrestleMania, depending on how long Seth takes to heal.
Listen I've been a wrestling fan since 1973 in Savannah Georgia area I learned a long time ago these men and women get in and out the ring to entertain I understand that but as a fan you got understand at the end of the day it's not going to matter who won or lose it's keeping your people safe
Yes. I have been saying Rock vs Seth night 1 and The Rock wins but night 2 during Cody vs Roman Rock stops Solo and Jimmy from helping Roman, an Roman loses creating the Head of the Table feud. Leading up to mania I have Paul Hyman trying to counsel Roman but Roman not listening and losing at Mania he loses everything and everyone.
Or Solo & Jimmy comes out. Jey & Rock comes out to stop them. Then when they least expect it Jey super kicks Cody. Roman wins and Jey reunites with his family.
To add to what Mark Henry said about Seth speaking up for himself, there was a point at the end of the exchange when Seth is yelling at rock and Roman and I’m pretty sure he said to Roman “I’ll run circles around You!” Or something to that effect. It wasn’t on the mic though so I guess it doesn’t really matter.
I'm going for The Rock to somehow cost RR the title at WM thus finishing this whole story line for CR and setting up a program for the Head of the Table position match.
Funnily enough when they were talking about Seth needing to grab his moment and shine the light on himself, i immediately thought of the very end of presser when Punk managed to do it in about 20 seconds saying he would have had punched the Rock all while the Rock was standing there glaring at him 😂 that's a pro right there.
When Mark told the story of The Rock telling Mark to step aside you look to big right there. I believe Mark. It is fascinating to hear story from these two legends that actually was there when Rock was coming up.
I'll say at this point TKO needs Triple H there. They're trying to make matches like it's boxing or mma. This isn't the 80s and 90s with Vince making these types of decisions. It was much easier to manipulate those who were adults during the 80s and 90s. They were easy marks. But the ones who grew up watching and attending in the 90s are a different breed of fan that changed things. We made it cool to be a heel, if you were good and entertaining enough. The Rock is too far removed from wrestling to be making these kinds of calls. You could tell at that press conference that Rock wasn't expecting the amount of boos he was getting, with that manufactured Hollywood audience. That wasn't your typical ticket buying audience in mass attendance.
20:10 . I enjoyed every minute of that. It makes sense Why every time a huge star come back, Rollins get frustrated. Cause he knows he’s not on the same level as Cody, punk, or rock
It's either going to be The Rock vs. Roman Reigns vs. Cody Rhodes or The Rock vs. Roman Reigns Night 1 & Cody Rhodes vs. Roman Reigns in Night 2. Maybe the nights of the singles matches get switched, but I feel that was the plan all along and Triple H wants to confuse us.
I fully agree with the consensus in the video about Seth looking very out of his element in that press conference. They will find a way to "fix" this, but WWE foreshadowing a tag team match at Mania between Cody / Seth and Rock / Roman is just not doing it for me.
My take. They wanted Cody to give the spot to Rock and Cody fight Seth. People lose their shit, and they used the press conference to pivot based on the reaction. But, now Seth has no program to work except for being Cody's cheerleader.
originally they didnt expect rock to face backlash for getting codys spot,but no way they didnt expect rock to get boos at the press conference,the whole deal began because punk got injured leaving wwe having to put cody in to take over seths title after mania,now with the way its all blown up they have put cody back with roman and are now trying to find a suitable alternative for seth to face who will become champion as i believe seth will take time off to rehab his injury after mania,rock will 100% figure in the wrestlemania plans but inwhat capacity reains to be seen,also will be interesting to see how priests cash in comes into play as this could be when it finally goes down
I love you guys, you know the business but here you are not thinking.. That bloodline tree that The Rock pulled up says high chief under his name. Everything that happened between him & Reigns was supposed to happen that way. The Rock is a real life high chief of their family and it's being used now in a storyline. The Rock is the only man who Roman Reign will & has to respect.
I'm glad Bubba said what I've been thinking, because my buddies keep saying that everything is intentional and just enjoy the ride. But they have the tool to make this better and right now they seem directionless and it's hurting Cody and Seth.
I COULD NOT AGREE WITH YOU MORE. EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT HOW AWESOME THIS IS AND HOW SMART THEY ARE. I FEEL LIKE THEY ARE CLUELESS. THIS IS NOT GOOD BOOKING BUT INDECISION.THERE SHOULD NOT BE A TAG MATCH ON DAY ONE THEN THE MAIN EVENT ON DAY 2. TO ME, THAT IS LUDICROUS. WWE IS MAKING IT SEEM THAT THEY HAVE A LONG PLAN BUT THAT IS A LIE. CODY WAS NOT, 2 WEEKS AGO, SUPPOSE TO WRESTLE ROMAN. THE WRITING IS AWFUL
I can't agree more. Let's not forget, Seth is the same man who BEAT Brock Lesnar TWICE! One of those times being "injured" Where was THAT Seth at the conference?
Seth is standing there bc he was waiting on Cody’s decision on which belt he was challenging for, made perfect sense why Seth was there. Rock totally set up his heel turn earlier that day on Pat MacAfee show calling Cody Crybabies letting that run all over the internet. All that was setup perfectly on that day of the press conference by WWE now u can say that that they didn’t know after the backlash on SmackDown 6 days before
I think Bully is coming from an old school type of mentality for a heel promo. What Rock and WWE is doing is a new type of heel characterizations. We (as in the IWC) know how promos work. Rock was portraying a new type of heel work. I mean just with the way he entered and how he structured “members of the press” he knew he was gonna get booed! He’s acting like he’s confused, but he knew they were coming. WHY WOULD YOU LET THE MEDIA SEE YOU GETTING BOOED?? I MEAN OF ALL THE PEOPLE?
It felt like that time when Roman won the Royal Rumble and Rock came out to save him. Rock feels like Roman's big brother in the WWE universe right now.
On the Bloodline Family Tree, The Rock is "High Chief" while Roman Reigns is the "Tribal Chief". It makes sense that The Rock is a higher rank than Roman which makes their positioning make sense.
I don't think this was the plan from the beginning I think that rock came in with an idea thinking it would help and it was a big mistake. So at the press conference I think they did a great job in fixing it and building the drama and with rock biting into his heel character and turning heal again was absolutely brilliant. However I agree with bully on one thing Seth should not have been there at that time I understand what they were trying to do with him but I don't think they knew the reaction that would happen and I don't think that they comprehended the fact that Seth would be made to look bad I thought they think that it would help Seth and Cody both look strong to build towards the 2 on 2
They don’t even know what to argue about anymore. They cried for Cody until they got him. Now they are worried about Seth Rollins like they wasn’t shitting on him two weeks ago on Raw.
Bully make some good points but one of the things I think he misses is that the fans do know what they want they want Cody versus Roman. Seth was there because he made a challenge to Cody to face him for the title at mania. He's also had issues with the rock in the past and with Roman so he had a place out there. Bringing up the fact that it's a secondary title was risky but I think it worked out in this sense, Seth gets the fire back saying at least I defend mine.
They're back pedaling from they're major fk up. All they're doing is digging a hole if they don't clean this up. The worst fk up actually was WWE 2K24 finish your story.
Man these new generation dont know the rock, back in the attitude era when rock was heel he use to have fun with it, he was never angry like he was at the press conference, Dwayne Johnson has developed a massive ego during his time at Hollywood and he was genuinely angry at the fans for booing him, u can see hpw frustrated he was. Because according to him, he's always right and should always get pops no matter what, but then his ego got crushed ...smh
I can’t believe everyone missed it. Go back to the bloodline family tree. Look at the rocks name. It said High Chief. The Rock set up the heel turn that morning on Pats show. They know what they are doing. The couple next months WWE is going to be fire. Starting Friday night on Smackdown and I’m here for it
Rock swears he is 6"5. Roman is 6'3 We noticed in the face off they were face-to-face. That's why I think they changed it and now they have the rock looking bigger
Bully must’ve turned off the presser halfway thru lmao. That was CINEMA - why the hell would be saying “long game” & calling them “Cody Crybabies” they are 100% knowing what they’re doing
Here's the problem which I have been saying since day 1 with the Shield. Seth is not a big enough personality or star to be a lead champion for WWE. He is a great wrestler, nobody can take that from him, but he's not a star. Seth doesn't give off that "it" factor like Rock, Roman, Cody, and CM Punk. Even LA Knight gives off more charisma than Seth. He just doesn't have it when it comes to charisma. Becky is bigger than Seth to me. Now, the title he holds is 100% the work horse champion because Seth can lay it down in the ring. 1 of the best in the ring 100%. But people don't pay to see workhorses, they pay to see charisma and someone that is over to the point where you can't deny it. That's why the belt doesn't mean anything right now because Seth isn't the right 1 to be carrying it.
That title that Seth holds should have never been made. People needing Cody to be the last match on night 2 means that there is only one main event. This is why I wasn't for CM Punk fighting for that title on Night 1.
The Rock was expecting boos, why cut the promo he did? why have that family tree portrait at the ready? Why then would he say and I'm paraphrasing here "This is the only royal family in wrestling" Rock knew exactly what he was doing, I feel this is 50/50 in a sense that they have a plan in place but are pivoting here and there along the way
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I normally don't disagree with Bully, but you can't tell me that Rock wasn't expecting to get boos after going on Pat McAfee's show and calling the fans Cody Crybabys. They know what they were doing.
Exactly.
Exactly...The Rock said everything on McAfee's show and at that press conference to get as much heat as he possibly could as quickly as he possibly could....at it seemed to work...that tells me that it was purposeful, at least some part of it was.
Definitely 💯. The entire crew got swerved if they wanna admit it or not
I think WWE is letting whatever happens happens... and honestly its creating something that's must see tv
If you ever want to know why Bully didn’t make the transition to permanent main event star in the WWE, here it is. You can’t convince me the WWE didn’t quickly pivot after Punk got hurt and laid this direction out fairly quickly with Hunter at the helm. They, including The Rock, absolutely knew Cody was going to get the support from the diehards. No question. Did Bully not watch him on Pat’s show?
I think Bully forgot Rock has been an actor for the past 20 years? Lol he was definitely playing up the crowd and leaning into reality... thats the point.
I think people should remember that rock has been a bad actor for the past 20 years. he literally "acts" himself in every movie
And yet he's made more than any other actor in history @@_NutcasE_
@_NutcasE_ "Bad" ima need you to watch more movies if you think he's bad. Of course his not Daniel Day Lewis. He shows a small range in different films, but yes, he's mostly the character type. That said, it doesn't make him bad, just predictable. Rock turned it on here and that's what matters
@@_NutcasE_ and that is more than enough needed in pro wrestling. Its not some high art lol. From that perspective rock is a great actor. Stop with this armchair criticism.
@@branram13 I have seen majority of his movies. It's literally him in every single one..... Dwayne Johnson as Dwayne Johnson.
Sometimes it confuses me when things arent picked up on especially by other wrestlers.
1. Why would seth leave the stage? He is there for a reason. Yes he looked like he didnt matter and was being shit on, because thats how he was being treated. And then cody got hit, he gets involved and boom SUDDENLY seth is very important and clearly in the mix. And you didnt need to see his promo on raw last night to know that. It was clear at the kick off event that they were bringing him into this (potential tag match or 1v1 with rock)
2. Roman is supposed to look small because of the rock. There is a clear dynamic at play here. Youre supposed to notice him play the little brother roll and be outshined by the rock. Roman did it to everyone else in the bloodline. The rock doing it to him and roman appearing lesser and not his equal adds more to their fued.
Its simple story telling folks. Stories take time to tell and the best ones are subtle.
Exactly!
💯 the high Chief is superior to the tribal Chief. Cody also moved into position to be slapped.
Exactly lol
Bully Ray is a bit off it today
Bingo! Exactly my thoughts. My buddy was telling me Rock makes Roman look weak, and I told him that's great because it is just another layer to build upon down the road between them. You could even turn Roman face against the Rock. The weak and strong garbage being thrown out by youtubers and their sheep is so close minded to bigger and better storytelling.
@@SharcVenturesor Bully is working us as well
If the press conference didn't go as the WWE expected, did they think having the Rock slap Cody was going to make the Rock a Babyface? Did the Rock go into business for himself? Did Triple H call an audible and whisper in Rock's ear "slap him!" Like if the press conference didn't go how they expected, what did they expect?
“i don’t know Wrestelmania 40 plans” the real title 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I mean jey vs Jimmy was confirmed when Jimmy cost jey the title 😅😅
Can't help but totally disagree with Bully especially. This was pro-wrestling at its' best and i'm actually glad it wasn't overproduced and came across as a realistic sports based press conference - this is exactly what TKO want out of the product! The press conference itself was definitely planned to look impromptu from commentary to camera work, I think it was executed to perfection. Secondly, I absolutely love that The Rock is making Roman look like a little boy because this sums up what Roman truly is, he is a delusional, narcissistic character who is awarded his power by The Bloodline, The Rock makes Roman look like what he actually is, just another wrestler who is nowhere near as powerful as he believes.
Bully is wrong about Rock not expecting the boos. You can tell he expected this by the promo he cut on McAfee earlier in the day. Also, you can see he was prepared for it by the way he handled the situation while on stage.
Oh, come on Bully! This was Creative Writing 101: show them what they want, then convince them why they can’t have it. And, yeah, things probably changed when Brock and Punk were suddenly out - but I doubt they changed much, Rock likely taking the role of Punk or Brock pulling rank/contract to challenge Roman - they also both have their stories with Heyman - Brock vs Roman has history. You could argue, “But the audience would think that’s bullshit!” Yeah, that’s the point. It’s like the eighth time they did a variant of this storyline going into Wrestlemania in the past 25 years. And if you look a little closer:
1. Cody “finishing his story” was always the marketing for Wrestlemania.
2. No Escape/Elimination Chamber would have yielded challenger 2, what do they do if Cody’s challenging Seth? Challenge Seth too?
3. WWE manufactured the “WeWantCody” hashtags and chanting. They were handing out signs.
4. The Rock began his heel turn almost immediately. Heck! Even CM Punk that may have played part or all of The Rock’s role originally was turning heel.
4. And come on! Do you really believe WWE in 2024, a company that plans out everything, and starts planning out Wrestlemania right after Summerslam, is suddenly going to wing it for Wrestlemania? Come on, man!
And no, this isn’t just “you’re saying that after the fact” because people, including those on your TH-cam channel, were saying it earlier.
You got worked! Don’t be embarrassed by it with this “they don’t know what they’re doing yet!” BS -, embrace it! It’s what’s fun about wrestling.
They weren’t handing out signs
Fans were
Everything else you’re right
This can’t be real. Bully and Mark sound like the biggest marks.
Because they are apparently The Rock bully Cody Rhodes lmao
When he said Rock was surprised by the boos I knew he knew better.
It’s a work😂
They have to be trying to work everyone. I can't believe anyone would be this oblivious.
Had the same feeling. I was like... these dudes are still on the WWE payroll, aren't they?
It's actually surprising that Bully and Henry are that off. It's clear as day that ROCK is HEEL now and Cody is beating Reigns at Mania. People think ROCK is CENA or something and he's the ULTIMATE BABYFACE. ROCK has been as HEEL as he was BABYFACE in his career. It's just been decades he hasn't been HEEL that's why people seem to think that he's not comfortable being HEEL. ROCK been HEEL from the start. He's was actually starting to become a bit phony as a BABYFACE lately. He'll be a much more genuine and free as a HEEL. They got it right with ROCK being in front of Reigns too. ROCK is the REAL BOSS now, he's not just a talent anymore. Rollins had a good promo on RAW last night. He'll be part of the story up until Mania. He might be part of it at Mania too. Hell they could even do Rollins ROCK on night 1.
The tribal chief will retire as champ 🏆 he's almost @ 5 years
@@jeromebass7878 No he won’t lol and he’s not almost at 5 years as champ he’s barley at 3 what are you on about mark
@@PrincessMistressBootsASMR it's 24 now he became 🏆 end of 2019 MA'AM
@@jeromebass7878 try 2020 at Payback and you might be right finally 😂😂😂😂
@@PrincessMistressBootsASMRFor the record, that means he's been champion for approximately 3 years and 5 months, not 5 years.
Holy shit with this show. Given the long track record of Bloodline storytelling, and the family tree they showed with Rock as High Chief, did it not occur to y'all that maybe Rock stepping over Roman is planting the seeds for how you get to Rock/Roman eventually? Roman drops to Cody and Rock turns on him or takes his place? Lord.
Was thinking the same thing when the press conference went down. It make sense, have Rock overshadow Roman, Roman loses the title at Wrestlemania so The Rock challenges Roman for Tribal Chief since Roman lost, there blood in the water. Can either have Roman vs Rock at Summerslam or next year Wrestlemania
Not all 3 of y’all acting like fans aren’t already sold on the angle and Bully acting like The Rock wasn’t fully anticipating the boos. He cut the “heel” promo on the McAfee show. While I agree this wasn’t the initial plan, give them credit for pivoting
The WrestleMania Press Conference was probably one of the best things the WWE has done in a long time, I’m not sure why the Busted Open Crew is so down on it. Also Brian Gewirtz ( the Rocks main writer ) has been giving bread crumbs about this storyline on social media before the online backlash for Cody so maybe Bully is upset he got worked. Either way who cares it’s still great! Maybe with Punks injury it was a slight pivot but also the Rock saying long gamer too I think there’s been a plan in place they’ve just been flexible. Really disappointed with the Busted Open Crew, we’re getting Cody and Roman and the Rock and Rollins involved for Wrestlemania, I’m not sure what there is to complain about and nitpick.
Busted opens a bunch a bitter snarks alotta time which we devour
Especially Dave@@williambrewer4005
So the winner of the Chamber gets the title shot when?
Because they out of touch
I am shocked that you guys don't get it. They knew what they were doing with Rock when he took the lead. That will be how that arch goes Rock not knowing his role. That was clearly on purpose. Rock will cause Roman to lose or wine but it will set up Summerslam. When they fight someone has to be a face and it can't be the Rock but they can turn it to Roman easier making the Rock a bigger heel
Wwe can make the rocky Babyface again, how do they achieve that they can have Roman turn on the Rock while he's stiill heel, it obvious Roman will retain at mania and pull a turn on the Rock after that.
With the most respect to Bully, there's a big difference between 'they knew this was what they were doing from the very beginning' and 'they knew exactly what they were doing that night'. Nobody serious came out of the presser saying the former, but many people - correctly - were saying the latter.
The plan for Mania is set. Obviously so. They wouldn't have locked in Cody vs Roman for the title if everyone wasn't committed to it and all the building blocks around it. They wouldn't send Cody, the company's top babyface, out on stage to call BS on Rock/Roman if it wasn't the expectation that Rock would get booed, and they sure as hell wouldn't call an audible to do it in the middle of the presser. They now have two months to finesse the details and make whatever the plan is work, and we saw the first steps of that with Seth on Raw.
Will it be good? No idea. It might not be. Is it a pivot from the original plan? Almost certainly. Were they 100% in control of what they were doing at the presser? Yes. We're just not being given the full picture yet. Tune in this Friday/Monday to find out what happens next etc.
Again, all due respect but... I'm surprised how much the guys come off as marks here.
Bully's pride was hurt 💀💀💀
Rock is a movie actor who knows how to work a camera
Exactly!
Lol that’s literally what Hollywood Superstars do!
That’s why I respectfully have to disagree with what Bully was saying here
I normally agree with Bully and crew’s insight on situations
like these, but I think their off on this one. The Rock has been leaving breadcrumbs on all the social platforms for months about playing the long game and etc.
This is a 2 year saga written out like a Movie with the Help of Brian G,
Paul Heyman and Triple H. The Goal is to have Roman vs The Rock next year with the best story telling we have ever seen. Yes they will call audibles when people get hurt etc. But they knew what they were doing to the point I believe they would
have the people you reached out to would be informed to give you a run around answer.
Had an amazing time at The Gramercy Theater. Great seeing Bully, Mark, Tommy, Don, Sam, Gabby and of course the man of the hour Dave.
Well here after raw.. Seth being there now makes sense
Bubba is clueless
Nah it still doesn't make sense. Nobody cares about Seth. He's clearly a Punk fill in at best. He makes no sense and shoehorning the shield crap is nauseating.
@@alexanderletzing6705your about the only person who thinks that. The promo was fantastic and it makes perfect sense.
@@zacharymannik3498 you're telling me Seth needs to protect Cody from Roman, "be his shield", when Seth was the one who fucked up the shield? That makes sense? It's a shoehorn move from H and nothing more. This clearly wasn't the plan. God help us if it was lol
@@alexanderletzing6705 it makes sense because cody had noone to help him last year and now there is also the rock. The point is cody just cant go out by himself against the whole bloodline again and expect a differant result. Cody and seth have history through mutual respect and this also brings jey and samj to come to codys aid. Tell me you didnt actually listen to the promo without telling me you didnt.
what i know for sure is that wwe managed to kill 2 birds with 1 stone with that press conference, they made cody as the ultimate babyface of the company while also slowly build up rock vs roman feud by adding those small details like made the rock look bigger than roman on camera or the rock walking ahead of roman like he is in charge of the bloodline, etc.. i think wwe knew what they're doing, not to mention rock's statement at pat's podcast, or what he said in that espn show that he is a long gamer, they clearly want to build heat, and thats why this was one of the best wrestlemania press conference i've ever seen..
In my opinion I think Roman looked the way he did because this is all building to the future story of the 1 on 1 match at SummerSlam or even survivor series since they both debuted there between the rock and Roman. They team together at Mania but it’s going to break down due to Roman realizing that the rock has slowly taken his place at the head of table. This leads to Roman going from the biggest heel to a baby face cause no one is going to want the rock to beat roman
Bingo!
Yeah, I was with Bully's points last week, but based purely on the actions on the night, the podcast earlier in the day introducing the 'Cody crybabies', introducing the family tree and The Rock legitimately saying 'it doesn't matter what you think' to the people and meaning it, the slap, the backstage altercation with HHH.
We can speculate as to whether they were going to go this way with Cody after THAT Smackdown segment, but by the night, Rock was supposed to be a heel.
That doesn't mean that The Rock wasn't irked by the reaction from the fans. Let's not forget that this is a man who has set himself up as having the greatest PR in the world, hasn't been booed really in wrestling in nearly 20 years, and has been in Disney and kids films, is great in interviews. Boos are not natural for him anymore, so it probably was jarring.
The other alternative is that Rock actually just played it to perfection. I'm not saying he's the greatest actor in the world, but he was much better as doing the dramatic arts in the wrestling ring. This actually is his greatest canvas.
I know it's unprovable, but I think it's highly likely you're wrong on this one.
I believe The Rock & Cody planned this when they spoke to bring down Roman at WM 40. Seth was looking at Rock & talking top him. Roman is playing little brother to the Rock to set up Rock vs Roman at WM 41. If you looked at the Bloodline graphic, Roman is not labeled as "Tribal Chief" but Rock is labeled as a "High Chief" 💯
Honestly having the rock and roman holding both world titles coming out of mania would be crazy and have my eyes glued to the tv following up on raw and smackdown. Only problem is Cody absolutely gets buried as a result and he needs to finish the damn story at mania otherwise he goes to the back of the line. I think rock vs seth would be crazy and he if he happens to beat seth that could lead to a slew of potential things but cody has to win at mania imo.
Rock absolutely leaned into the heat from the crowd
I think there was a pivot due to the backlash but I think it happened on the Raw before the press conference. That was when they started acting like Cody had never made a decision. By that Thursday they had their new plan for Rock to go full heel on the McAfee show and when it got to the press conference they were on track and got exactly what they expected.
That press conference was perfect
Bully Ray got CTE
Bully I disagree with you boss. This was planned & I love it. WWE is doing it right & I love it. Turning Rock heel is exactly what this story needs. Now Paul can sneak out the backdoor & manage the new up & coming star. I thought after my guy passed away I wasn't going to watch WWE anymore. This storyline is looking to be a good one.
I wouldn't even call Roman a costar. He immediately disappeared into Rock's shadow
😂😂
Just starting this weeks podcast, but I get the feeling the WWE writers are 100% with their plans, storytelling and direction between Royal Rumble and Mania. I do not think they are pivoting, and I think any press they are getting is free advertising for their original plans.
I literally cannot disagree with any statement in this video... spot on 100%
The bottom line is... if Punk hadn't gotten injured, we wouldn't be having these conversations. Punk vs Rollins would undoubtedly be headlining night one, and people would be very invested in that. Rollins wouldn't be so lost. My only thought is, they had to have some sort of plan or idea for Rollins before Punk came on board. Am I wrong?
Seth does clap back with good responses and to say he doesn’t is false. He clapped back at Roman during the press conference and attacked rock on stage. Seth had a fantastic promo the week before and an even better promo this week. “Wife shoes but I run laps around you” “glad to see you showed up to work for once”. We mustn’t forget that Roman has NEVER beat Rollins 1 v 1. Imo that’s why he got the new belt and that’s the angle they should be using going into Mania.
Seth v Rock, if Rock wins he can say he beat someone Roman couldn’t.
Cody v Roman, Cody wins and Roman beat Cody last year which Seth couldn’t do either.
This show is the greatest thing to happen to Wrestling. The break downs of how the business works along with the fan reaction is amazing.
I disagree with their take about Seth at the press conference. I think that it was immediately obvious that the previous battles between Seth and Cody was leading to an alliance. Also Seth dropped an F-bomb at the Rock which is no small deal
I keep hearing that Seth being there doesn't make any sense. This is Roman Reigns we are talking about....nobody knows Roman better than Seth Rollins. Seth being there makes all the sense in the world. We aren't gonna see Dustin come over from AEW to help Cody so the second best option is Roman's "brother" Seth. I don't know just yet how they can fix Seth and his championship problem, but I can see either a tag team match happening or Rock vs Seth happening. Seth said last night that he can be Cody's shield. That makes sense. The Rock is fully embracing his heel turn. And I think something will happen at Mania to start the Rock vs Roman match at Mania.
Wait, y'all wanted Cody and told everyone to flood social media with it and now we have Cody but you're still bitching???
Fickle fans!
Wow I didn’t realize how much I liked Seth Rollins but mark and Dave helped me realize it I thought it was obvious coming out of the conference they are building to a tag either at the chamber or mania
The rock stepped in front and made roman look secondary because i guarantee it will be put into play that he is taking over as head of the table. Thats what will be the catalyst that leads into roman vs rock.
Makes sense to me
So I need to now hear their thoughts on Seth after Raw last night cause that was one of Seth’s best promos ever imo the last line when he said “There is not a man on earth that is more uniquely suited to be your SHIELD” gave me chills that was so good and now I’m really intrigued to see how Seth will play into this story with Cody Roman Rock will we get a tag match at the Chamber will we get Rock vs Seth at some point and also who is gonna win this damn Chamber match cause it’s lookin STACKED Drew Randy Knight Bobby so far out of those four I would put my money on Drew of course but also can they shock everyone and have LA Knight win and go to Wrestlemania against Seth for the World Heavyweight Championship 👀
That will probably lead to the head of the table angle. Roman will eventually take issue with Rock taking the spotlight as Bully and Mark said.
if i'm a wrestler in any stage of the game i'm listening to these guys talk about the business. They're giving you a handbook for success.
You guys are great. 1000% right on everything. Best podcast out there
you're trolling right?
@@bugsbunny5960 are you?
The people get to choose what happens and who turns heel in wrestling these days. Its called cancel culture
Thank you BULLY! Thank you for bringing up Friday when Cody clearly said no to Roman at Mania! The plan all along was The Rock vs Roman, there’s a reason why they started slowly bringing up Rock on SD & Raw
With Seth's injury, I'm expecting him to lose his title as the opening match of Night 2, if they do the Cody & Seth vs Roman & Rock tag match on Night 1. Seth will face the winner of the Elimination Chamber (Drew) but Damian Priest will cash in and leave with the title. I think that will set up Damian vs Drew for the following PLE. This will allow Seth to get whatever surgeries he needs, and time to heal. Seth comes back and goes off on everyone. They disrespected him. Treated him like his title reign didn't matter. Now he is going to settle some scores. This could be a major heel turn or we could get a Roman vs Seth grudge match at next years WrestleMania, depending on how long Seth takes to heal.
Yep I’m an actor and y’all nailed it!! Love it!! Keep it going!! All 3 of you guys together are great!!!
Listen I've been a wrestling fan since 1973 in Savannah Georgia area I learned a long time ago these men and women get in and out the ring to entertain I understand that but as a fan you got understand at the end of the day it's not going to matter who won or lose it's keeping your people safe
This storyline has gotten so muddy since everything with Cody and The Rock started. It all just feels like we’re in limbo at the moment
Yeah sure different then last year..
Yes. I have been saying Rock vs Seth night 1 and The Rock wins but night 2 during Cody vs Roman Rock stops Solo and Jimmy from helping Roman, an Roman loses creating the Head of the Table feud. Leading up to mania I have Paul Hyman trying to counsel Roman but Roman not listening and losing at Mania he loses everything and everyone.
Or Solo & Jimmy comes out. Jey & Rock comes out to stop them. Then when they least expect it Jey super kicks Cody. Roman wins and Jey reunites with his family.
I really want Rock vs Roman because that'd make the title mean something
@@HogRider_99 it’s the actual WWE Title what are you talking about
To add to what Mark Henry said about Seth speaking up for himself, there was a point at the end of the exchange when Seth is yelling at rock and Roman and I’m pretty sure he said to Roman “I’ll run circles around
You!”
Or something to that effect. It wasn’t on the mic though so I guess it doesn’t really matter.
Roman bullied TF outta Seth. Seth had no comeback. Gunther needs to take Seth’s title.
Heel Rock is hilarious what a way to make it more interesting.😂
I'm going for The Rock to somehow cost RR the title at WM thus finishing this whole story line for CR and setting up a program for the Head of the Table position match.
Funnily enough when they were talking about Seth needing to grab his moment and shine the light on himself, i immediately thought of the very end of presser when Punk managed to do it in about 20 seconds saying he would have had punched the Rock all while the Rock was standing there glaring at him 😂 that's a pro right there.
When Mark told the story of The Rock telling Mark to step aside you look to big right there. I believe Mark. It is fascinating to hear story from these two legends that actually was there when Rock was coming up.
Need a fatal four way...cody...rock ...romane....seth... Combine their titles
I'll say at this point TKO needs Triple H there. They're trying to make matches like it's boxing or mma. This isn't the 80s and 90s with Vince making these types of decisions. It was much easier to manipulate those who were adults during the 80s and 90s. They were easy marks. But the ones who grew up watching and attending in the 90s are a different breed of fan that changed things. We made it cool to be a heel, if you were good and entertaining enough. The Rock is too far removed from wrestling to be making these kinds of calls. You could tell at that press conference that Rock wasn't expecting the amount of boos he was getting, with that manufactured Hollywood audience. That wasn't your typical ticket buying audience in mass attendance.
20:10 . I enjoyed every minute of that. It makes sense Why every time a huge star come back, Rollins get frustrated.
Cause he knows he’s not on the same level as Cody, punk, or rock
It's either going to be The Rock vs. Roman Reigns vs. Cody Rhodes or The Rock vs. Roman Reigns Night 1 & Cody Rhodes vs. Roman Reigns in Night 2. Maybe the nights of the singles matches get switched, but I feel that was the plan all along and Triple H wants to confuse us.
I fully agree with the consensus in the video about Seth looking very out of his element in that press conference. They will find a way to "fix" this, but WWE foreshadowing a tag team match at Mania between Cody / Seth and Rock / Roman is just not doing it for me.
20:50 That is SO misleading. Seth literally shoved Rock and cussed him out
Yeah they’re forgetting facts. The trailer shows it’s gonna be a tag team match for night 1.
Rollins was cussing and yelling more than anyone.
I love when Bully gets riled up. 😅
My take. They wanted Cody to give the spot to Rock and Cody fight Seth. People lose their shit, and they used the press conference to pivot based on the reaction. But, now Seth has no program to work except for being Cody's cheerleader.
originally they didnt expect rock to face backlash for getting codys spot,but no way they didnt expect rock to get boos at the press conference,the whole deal began because punk got injured leaving wwe having to put cody in to take over seths title after mania,now with the way its all blown up they have put cody back with roman and are now trying to find a suitable alternative for seth to face who will become champion as i believe seth will take time off to rehab his injury after mania,rock will 100% figure in the wrestlemania plans but inwhat capacity reains to be seen,also will be interesting to see how priests cash in comes into play as this could be when it finally goes down
I love you guys, you know the business but here you are not thinking.. That bloodline tree that The Rock pulled up says high chief under his name. Everything that happened between him & Reigns was supposed to happen that way. The Rock is a real life high chief of their family and it's being used now in a storyline. The Rock is the only man who Roman Reign will & has to respect.
😅😅Bully Ray keeping it real!!
to Mark. Maybe he should write Seth's script. Sure got my attention lol
Seth was trying to be a Adrian Street
I'm glad Bubba said what I've been thinking, because my buddies keep saying that everything is intentional and just enjoy the ride. But they have the tool to make this better and right now they seem directionless and it's hurting Cody and Seth.
I COULD NOT AGREE WITH YOU MORE. EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT HOW AWESOME THIS IS AND HOW SMART THEY ARE. I FEEL LIKE THEY ARE CLUELESS. THIS IS NOT GOOD BOOKING BUT INDECISION.THERE SHOULD NOT BE A TAG MATCH ON DAY ONE THEN THE MAIN EVENT ON DAY 2. TO ME, THAT IS LUDICROUS. WWE IS MAKING IT SEEM THAT THEY HAVE A LONG PLAN BUT THAT IS A LIE. CODY WAS NOT, 2 WEEKS AGO, SUPPOSE TO WRESTLE ROMAN. THE WRITING IS AWFUL
I can't agree more. Let's not forget, Seth is the same man who BEAT Brock Lesnar TWICE! One of those times being "injured" Where was THAT Seth at the conference?
Not only The Rock expected the boos, he hoped that he would get booed, and even worked towards it by calling Cody’s fan crybabies.
Seth is standing there bc he was waiting on Cody’s decision on which belt he was challenging for, made perfect sense why Seth was there. Rock totally set up his heel turn earlier that day on Pat MacAfee show calling Cody Crybabies letting that run all over the internet. All that was setup perfectly on that day of the press conference by WWE now u can say that that they didn’t know after the backlash on SmackDown 6 days before
I think Bully is coming from an old school type of mentality for a heel promo. What Rock and WWE is doing is a new type of heel characterizations. We (as in the IWC) know how promos work. Rock was portraying a new type of heel work. I mean just with the way he entered and how he structured “members of the press” he knew he was gonna get booed! He’s acting like he’s confused, but he knew they were coming. WHY WOULD YOU LET THE MEDIA SEE YOU GETTING BOOED?? I MEAN OF ALL THE PEOPLE?
It felt like that time when Roman won the Royal Rumble and Rock came out to save him. Rock feels like Roman's big brother in the WWE universe right now.
The bloodline family tree graphic being made for this press conference tells me The Rock’s plan was always to side with Roman.
Mark Henry should be a writer.. those ideas were **chefs kiss**
On the Bloodline Family Tree, The Rock is "High Chief" while Roman Reigns is the "Tribal Chief". It makes sense that The Rock is a higher rank than Roman which makes their positioning make sense.
I don't think this was the plan from the beginning I think that rock came in with an idea thinking it would help and it was a big mistake. So at the press conference I think they did a great job in fixing it and building the drama and with rock biting into his heel character and turning heal again was absolutely brilliant. However I agree with bully on one thing Seth should not have been there at that time I understand what they were trying to do with him but I don't think they knew the reaction that would happen and I don't think that they comprehended the fact that Seth would be made to look bad I thought they think that it would help Seth and Cody both look strong to build towards the 2 on 2
They don’t even know what to argue about anymore. They cried for Cody until they got him. Now they are worried about Seth Rollins like they wasn’t shitting on him two weeks ago on Raw.
Dave was spot on with Seth explanation 💯
Bully make some good points but one of the things I think he misses is that the fans do know what they want they want Cody versus Roman. Seth was there because he made a challenge to Cody to face him for the title at mania. He's also had issues with the rock in the past and with Roman so he had a place out there. Bringing up the fact that it's a secondary title was risky but I think it worked out in this sense, Seth gets the fire back saying at least I defend mine.
I see it as a show of respect from Roman Reigns.
He feels like a kid again around the Rock, his elder who he’s respected since he was a kid.
They're back pedaling from they're major fk up. All they're doing is digging a hole if they don't clean this up. The worst fk up actually was WWE 2K24 finish your story.
Man these new generation dont know the rock, back in the attitude era when rock was heel he use to have fun with it, he was never angry like he was at the press conference, Dwayne Johnson has developed a massive ego during his time at Hollywood and he was genuinely angry at the fans for booing him, u can see hpw frustrated he was. Because according to him, he's always right and should always get pops no matter what, but then his ego got crushed ...smh
It’s pretty easy to see they’re setting up for a power struggle between the rock and either H, or Roman or both
Obviously didn’t see the Super Bowl advert
I think you guys were well off today with your views
I can’t believe everyone missed it. Go back to the bloodline family tree. Look at the rocks name. It said High Chief. The Rock set up the heel turn that morning on Pats show. They know what they are doing. The couple next months WWE is going to be fire. Starting Friday night on Smackdown and I’m here for it
100% correct. Seth dug himself in a hole with that character.
Rock swears he is 6"5. Roman is 6'3
We noticed in the face off they were face-to-face. That's why I think they changed it and now they have the rock looking bigger
And I don't like the way they are ignoring the fact that Baylee has a championship match too..
Bully must’ve turned off the presser halfway thru lmao. That was CINEMA - why the hell would be saying “long game” & calling them “Cody Crybabies” they are 100% knowing what they’re doing
Here's the problem which I have been saying since day 1 with the Shield. Seth is not a big enough personality or star to be a lead champion for WWE. He is a great wrestler, nobody can take that from him, but he's not a star. Seth doesn't give off that "it" factor like Rock, Roman, Cody, and CM Punk. Even LA Knight gives off more charisma than Seth. He just doesn't have it when it comes to charisma. Becky is bigger than Seth to me. Now, the title he holds is 100% the work horse champion because Seth can lay it down in the ring. 1 of the best in the ring 100%. But people don't pay to see workhorses, they pay to see charisma and someone that is over to the point where you can't deny it. That's why the belt doesn't mean anything right now because Seth isn't the right 1 to be carrying it.
That title that Seth holds should have never been made. People needing Cody to be the last match on night 2 means that there is only one main event. This is why I wasn't for CM Punk fighting for that title on Night 1.
Roman sits at head of the table, but Rock is one of the elders that solo spoke of in the past
Rocky knew they were going to boo. He leaned into the heel side earlier before the press conference at the Pat McAfee show
Bully got something with the Rock and Roman winning Mania. What a crazy turn on the fans.
The Rock was expecting boos, why cut the promo he did? why have that family tree portrait at the ready? Why then would he say and I'm paraphrasing here "This is the only royal family in wrestling" Rock knew exactly what he was doing, I feel this is 50/50 in a sense that they have a plan in place but are pivoting here and there along the way
Bully comparing himself to the Rock? Or even think he’s in a league of any four of them is wild!