This video looks like it was before Caleb as camera man. Lol. . It really doesn't matter. I have been watching you for 8 years at least .This is my 1st time responding to your videos. As usual this video is informative and educational like all the videos you and Caleb produce. Your explanation on how circuits work is phenomenal (circuit design)......BAR NONE.......BAR NONE Anybody that gives you a thumbs down needs to have their head examined. I am a former auto tech ( Mazda) for 25 years that eventually quit because of flat rate. I am now working in the forklift industry. I wish I found you while I was still in automotive. I apply your videos that I watch to troubleshooting a fault in a electrical ( 36 volt) forklift.. Your videos make me look like a hero for a new guy compared to the other guys in the shop. They come to me for advice when they have problems. I owe it all to you Paul. I wish I found you when I was in automotive. You would of made me look like a hero compared to our tech support idiots. Keep up the great content that you produce and God bless you and family. By the way..... tell your brother to start producing videos... I miss him and his approach to tackling problems. .
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I'm surprised you didn't use a current clamp to see the driver not grounding that circuit. Also surprised you didn't give the circuit a ground to see it spark happen when give it a ground. Love you videos you brought me up in this field 🙌
yeah, I could have showed that too and it would have been a real good test from the fuse (damn, missed opportunity there for sure). As for the giving it a ground test, I've never been able to make ignition coils fire manually. Not 100% sure why. Some type of capacitance issue with the jumper wire, compared to a transistor circuit.
@@ScannerDanner Hi Teach!! The coil turn-off is super important for how the coil produces spark. That is why you can't fire a coil "manually". great video!!:)
@@ScannerDanner If you added a capacitor in parallel to the circuit, the coil should be able to fire. That's how it was done with old breaker-point ignition systems.
Great educational video Danner. Always a pleasure to watch. It's great to mention that before switching the computer to check for a shorted coil or wire. I once put a new computer to a Ford fusion that had a shorted coil. They put in all new coils and it was still misfiring. I changed the computer, worked great, charged him for a diag and new PCM, and went on my way. The next day the client called me pissed off that the computer didn't work. I returned and I saw that the client put in the original shorted coils back in and returned the new coils and got his money back. HUH? I put in another new computer and coil and charged him again, but collected the money up front.
Excellent video. After 6 to 8 hours out in my shop either under a hood or under a car, I’m 65 and suppose to be retired but am busier than most shops in my area, I come in and see Paul has another video up. It’s going to be a great evening and I look forward to learning something. Who says you can’t teach and old dog new tricks. Thank you SD!!
Brilliant. I had an issue a week ago with an electronic handbrake that was shutting down the driver side rear hb because it seen an issue. When I put a test light in parallel I could see the test light, light on start up and then shut down so I knew the system was shutting the circuit down and it wasn't a supply voltage issue thanks to this video.
i had some great teachers in tech and college but damn just this one video i can see how great it would of been to have you as an teacher. hell i learn something new almost everytime i watch your videos and ive been doing its for ten years! love the video as always thanks
Just wanted to say "hi"...now back to the video. Your description area is always top notch. That was a great visual. Test light steady, not in control. Test light flickering = control.
thank you! And I just learned that when you put the descriptions in this way with the time stamps, that the YT player automatically places the chapters in the video timeline! Awesome!!
@@ScannerDanner - AHH, so THAT'S how people are doing that - it's TH-cam! LOL - no wonder I couldn't figure it out! I still can't figure out the whole "Shorts" thing, but I think it's because it can only be done on a smartphone, and not a desktop.
Awesome👍 Another great case study by SD👍 I cannot thank you enough for teaching us the testlight testing method, seriously there're time's when I had identified a missfire simply by checking integrity of the control side of the coil (with a testlight) & it has been 💯% accurate everytime👍 God Bless You SD, Stay Safe❤
Great video Paul! Those thermal cameras are pretty awesome. I've used a thermal temp gun a few times to help read exhaust temps to figure out cylinder misfires.
This was really helpful. I never noticed, this design invites the ground side of the primary coil straight back into the PCM. So, if you have a bad plug you'll get an unexpected spike of voltage feeding right back into the computer. This audacious design opens the door to HUGE voltage spikes straight back into the PCM, defining the path to the crusher for vehicles as they age. Small wonder that more conventional designs put the transistor onto the coil, so the whole unit can be swapped out easily, and the PCM driver is protected.
Hi Paul, You gave away the surprise in the beginning, you dirty bird,but I still loved it. btw I'm from Carnegie, but I now live in Burgettstown for 41 yrs. neighbor. I still go to the south hills area,maybe I'll see you around!!
Love the thermal imaging capabilities, been using them for 25 yrs! Suggest you lock the scaling when comparing images or you can easily get burnt! You’ll see there’s quite a difference between the max temperature on the two banks.
Great Video! We all need a refresh on system troubleshooting, it keep us on top of our game. Thanks for sharing. Don't forget to take us along to Jimmy's Shop when you get a chance.
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Excellent video Dan. As always very thorough with instructions and explanation. I am a railroad technician. Troubleshooting is my job and passion. Always looking for new ways to prove out a fault. I love using the tools available to prove my theory of fault. “Known good” is the best option when available. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge with others. I love to learn. Empowering feeling. Thanks again. Desi S.
No worries, Paul - I need all the review material I can get, because I just can't get certain things to stick! The older I get, the worse my memory retention gets. When I was 17, I used to soak this stuff up like a sponge and it would stick for life. Now everything has been turned on its head from those days with computers & fuel injection, and then OBD-II later on. Just like starting over again! That's how it feels for me at least. One day I'll get so frustrated I want to quit all of it, then the next, I T-pin a ground wire at an ignition plug and get an '04 Yukon running in minutes - it hadn't run in over a month! Roller coaster of my life, lol. Win some, lose many! LOL. Anyway, hope you guys all had a great Thanksgiving together, and have a Merry Christmas as well.
As a Ford tech, ill consume any information you can give me. Very useful tests and procedures. I have adopted some of your methods and have improved my way of thinking about circuitry.
My cell phone has a FLIR camera inbuilt, it is such a great tool for finding faults on vehicles, right down to parasitic current draw, it enables getting right down to the heat output of individual wires to find circuits that are staying live. I highly recommend the use of thermal imaging cameras as a tool to get the "bigger picture".
Hello Paul, I've heard you explain this in the past but if you don't mind, I'd like a little refresher on why you SHOULD use an incandescent test light and why an LED test light SHOULD NOT be used when testing ECU circuits? Is it because the ECU has the transistor inside? Is it due to the amp draw of the LED test light being too high (although I would think it draws less amos than an incandescent test light)? Thank you for your reply, Paul. You're THE ABSOLUTE best teacher I've ever had the pleasure of knowing (even better than my college Micro Economics II teacher, and he was superb)!
There are times for both. As for this video and why you must use an incandescent light: 1. The secondary KV that was jumping to my light when performing the cylinder drop test, would absolutely fry an LED test light 2. The coil control test, where we watched the light flicker, this too may cook and LED type bulb and/or test results can be misleading. To be honest, LED test lights have very little use and value when troubleshooting because of their inaccuracy and when I do use them, it is never during circuit testing, only to trigger low voltage circuits (like and ignition coil trigger signal on a COP)
It is a good idea to have a bit of knowledge about the load capacity of the transistors when it comes to testing transistor switched circuits in control units using test lights. A bulb type test lamp can blow up transistors.
I have seen spark on one terminal of a coil pair before, although it was pretty weak. it still fired enough to not set codes on that cylinder. seems to me it was always the ford 3.0L v6 in the aerostar, maybe because people abused them to death.
Great video Paul! Bit of a review for me, but always great to walk thru the thought process with you...looking forward to part 3 of your new case study on SDPM.
Got two more parts for you on SD Premium, set for noon tomorrow eastern time. We've had part 3 done for over a week but we didn't want to keep you guys waiting for the conclusion, so we're releasing them together. Thank you so much for helping support what we do, both here and SDP
Great video Paul .thank you for bringing us to this diagnostic video ..I always look forward to your videos and I am on your premium channel and website watching so many informative videos and lectures ,and actually watch some twice to get the information to sink in ..so thank you Brother and oh by the way cool weather here in Florida and the hoodie I purchased with the “ scope on a rope “ sure is keeping theses old bones warm .. sometimes I’ve been asked if that’s a Rocket on my hoodie ….love the puzzled look I get when I tell them it’s a scope on a rope😂😂… thank you Paul and Caleb for the Awesome work …..stay safe
Danner are you working out or something man? Seems like you are slimming down. Either way, great refresher video, makes me feel like I’m learning since I can answer some of the questions you pose during the video.
yes but only the injector, never the ignition coil. And it typically has to be a constant misfire for the injector to be shut off. It also needs to be a properly identified cylinder. So a random misfire code and issue would not result in an injector shut-down condition.
Paul, just as a detail, it seems that the coil naming is based on firing order: 1+ companion cylinder = coil A, 4 + companion = coil B and 2+companion = coil C
I've got to get me one of those thermal imaging cameras. I don't know if you saw it Paul but Ivan from Pine Hollow recently did a video on a PT Cruiser and he used one of those to find a loose terminal issue. Looks like some of the cheaper ones run around 300 bucks.
That's nice. You said (Don't see ignition coils being shut down intentionally). I see it before in Mercedes Benz W210 M111 engine. It had 2 waste spark ignition coils. Ignition coil for cylinder 2 & 3 just firing while starting Some seconds then shut down, but when I cranking the engine no compression in one cylinder, which is cylinder 3,so the ME (mercedes Benz ECM or PCM) Shut down ignition coil for 2 and 3, there is no problem in cylinder 2 just waste spark ignition system grind them hahaha. But I don't inspect in that time there is a pulse to injector or no. You talk about Nissan, Some of them when it had a timing misalignment shut down a coil intentionally waste or cop.
For sure there are scenarios where we shut down ignition systems. I should have specified, that catalyst protection (which is what we are doing when shutting injectors down), cannot be achieved by shutting down an ignition coil in the same manner as you'd have raw fuel entering the exhaust.
I was wondering since the vehicle shut down corresponding injectors on a ignition misfire will the oxygen sensors sense that dead air on those dead cylinders and make the fuel trims more positive because of the lean condition or does computer go into open loop because of misfire and disregard oxygen sensor data all together?
Hi Paul, Great video, again! What I was thinking to eliminate a faulty coil B is to connect an wire to the negative side of the battery and with the other side at the driver side using the t-pin. As you already had an t-pin on the driver of the PCM. Disconnect the plugwires and make an, let's say, u wire with an opening in the middle on the coil. By tapping the wire, for a short period of time, you should see the coil fire right? Just an thought to try to prove that the coil B is functioning. That is an possible test with this disigned system right? Would like to hear you thoughts about this. Have a great weekend and kind regards from The Netherlands
Out of curiosity, would the "injector fault" pid(s) be set as true while the intentional injector shutdown is active? Or is the ECM smart enough to leave that false? I wouldn't rely on that pid for diagnostics, I'm just curious. Great video my man!
Hay Paul, is o² sensor b1s1 an up-stream sensor?... I may be confused but I thought b1s1 was up-stream and b1s2 was down-stream. I get what you mean about the test except the scanner was on 02sb1s1, which I thought was up- and sensor 2 was down-stream..?
Could there have been a bad connector to the computer pin, within the computer connector block, due to the wire connector terminal, being ohmed, maybe, by the previous tech ?
Great video, as usual. I just had a similar situation on a 2010 Jeep Wrangler with the old 3.8. 2 dead holes and the same thing, PCM not firing the coil and I used the old Verus Edge to verify the PCM failed. Same thing, flat 14 volts on the control circuit. Forgot about the test light trick, though.
Maybe someone can help me. I’m having the kinda same issue on my 2007 f150 4.2L. Multiple coil packs replaced no help then a total of 3 ecms replaced with zero help.
i am having a similar issue with my 99 f150 4.2l. i have the same exact code but truck only stumbles when you fist crack the throttle. i have done all the test i can without a scope. i do have forscan an am showing missfire on number 3 but not enough to cause a code. code sets at 32% the miss is only 16%. i have burned up 2 coils somehow. i kinda feel like one of the coil drivers is bad in the pcm. the coil pack will ohm out fine but over time go from a slight miss to a more severe miss in a couple days. i just replaced the coil pack again. i never fully loose spark it just starts to act up and the coil seems to get very hot and overheat. main symptom is hesitation when you accelerate. after a couple days of driving it gets worse and worse till coil needs to be replaced again. it never sets a fault code though. any help would be great Thanks.
Are you changing the plug too? You have to at least start with that. But other than that, it is lab scope and low amp probe time for sure! We'd be able to see if it was a driver issue in the ECM
@@ScannerDanner Thanks for the reply, yes the plug was swapped and wiring continuity ck'd from plug to the pcm. i tried to ck the pulse with a test light like you did it will pulse on all wires but only for a few seconds till it shuts off injectors and engine starts running terrrible. im wondering why the code is only pending. ive been a diesel tech for 20 years and never really had to work on an ignition system like this. what would you recomend. Awesome content by the way!
I found this video as I am looking for an answer on a coil "a" intermittent misfire on a 2002 delica v6. coil is good. testing at icm shows constant 14.1 when symptomatic. I have yet to find the pcm on this thing. My question is, do these things ever go intermittent? I should note, often becomes symptomatic after running for ~30 minutes. will straighten itself out however if I keep driving. Thanks!
@@ScannerDanner thanks for the reply! mitsubishi delica, it's got a 6g72 in it. mi just in the process of chasing back to ecu and then address cam and crank sensors.
Another great video from you, SD .Learned something again. I have a question. When the ECM ,shut down the injector or injectors due to a problem as in this case, what happening with the short and long fuel trims?I can understand that the oxygen sensor will " sniff " more air (because the misfire cylinders will 'pump ' air to the exhaust system)in the exhaust, but it will spray more fuel in the healthy cylinders,trying to 'correct, what the lambda sensor reads?
Hi Paul, thanks as always for the video... A question: In the scenario where the injector is firing but no spark; I'm wondering why u said that would make the o2-2 indicate rich... cos I'm thinking if that fuel is not burning it should still cause a lean? ... or does the fuel burn in the cat cos it's hot? - Thanks :)
First, I think this test is more valuable when you have an intermittent misfire. Second, the fuel that enters the cat, will deplete the cat of oxygen (a burn takes place) and this results in very little, if any remaining oxygen, so your O2 signal voltage will be high, not low
Yeah and it was a pretty good engine! Real old school design with the push rod setup, pretty good truck engine though it made tons of low end torque and it was pretty reliable!
@@ScannerDanner I scan it for no codes no rpm signal when cranking I even do test where you show how to do pull up and pull down which this land rover is pull down cause it have five volts refrence when i do it with test light I could hear the fuel pump relay click as I do the bypass test with test light
@@travisdore457 what are you bypassing? The crank sensor signal? You definitely don't want to jump the 5v reference circuit with a test light to ground. A 5v pull-down signal circuit is fine, but not the 5v ref itself.
@@ScannerDanner ok cool thanks but you think the immolizer is bad if it can block the spark plus injector pulse that's what I am experiencing on a land rover freelander 2005 thanks much
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@@ScannerDanner 2001 f150 4.2 Truck will not start until the accelerator pedal is pressed and held all the way down but it will die as soon as you let off the pedal. . No codes.
@user-ls6il5rt7p what is your ECT temperature on scan data with the engine cold? What is your fuel pressure? Does this 01 have a fuel psi regulator or damper on the fuel rail? Pull the vacuum hose off of it and see if there is fuel running out when you start it
From what I've seen on the waste spark models is that no, the ECM drivers are just failing. I've done two or three of these and it was just the ECM driver and maybe one other that was a shorted coil, that took the driver out. The COP systems are different. Those were almost always a coil that cooked first. I've even seen those where the driver cooks the coil from staying on constantly!
Yes sir, this was pulled from a 2018 premium video. Figured I owed you guys one and Caleb and I have been working hard on this premium series were doing, so this was it for this week 😉
Could you put the DMM in Frequency mode and see a hertz delta between the coils? Would not a frequency measurement equate to H=2(RPM)/Number of coils IE: rpm=1000 H=2000/3 H=667hertz 2 x RPM due to waste spark
Possibly, but I think the noise in that control wire, from the other shared coils could give you some frequency changes too, leading to questions. Im not sure
@@johnhnetkovsky8917 on that design, you're measuring the coil trigger signal (transistor is part of the coil), so there is a very distinct on/off signal on those, which is completely different from coil -
I know, that is why I specified those G.M. coils,for those who didn't know you could do that on those coils. Was not comparing to Ford coil at all brotha.
Q: In waste spark ignition coil you can feed it by B+ and connect a test light to GND then touch the other pin for ignition to firing. And can do this to COP with 3 or 4 pins which is transistor inside it by connect test light to B+. Such As this from my channel th-cam.com/video/7YcYHWnzM0s/w-d-xo.html Why I can't do it with COP with 2 pins which is transistor in PCM? When I feed ignition coil COP 2 pins by B+ and connect my test light to GND then touch the other pin for COP, ignition coil didn't fire.???
Because the ones you are able to fire, have the ignition coil driver as part of the coil and you are actually being the transistor trigger signal. On the ignition coils where the transistor is external to the coil, you'll never be able to manually fire them.
Because the 30K volts outputted are low amp. It's not nearly enough to blow an incandescent light. But it's sufficient to blow an LED. Or even a power probe.
@@cyberslacker5150 I appreciate your answer, but I'm still having a hard time understanding this. If a 12V test light draws about 250 mA, then the resistance of that test light is about 48 ohms. If you pass 30,000V through 48 ohms that equals 625 amps (using Ohm's law). Why doesn't it blow?
@@bartsarton2212 An ignition coil is a step up transformer,when you step up voltage you decrease current. At 30,000 volts current is very little,in the milliamps not enough to light the test light. There is not 625 amps available.
This video looks like it was before Caleb as camera man. Lol. . It really doesn't matter. I have been watching you for 8 years at least .This is my 1st time responding to your videos. As usual this video is informative and educational like all the videos you and Caleb produce. Your explanation on how circuits work is phenomenal (circuit design)......BAR NONE.......BAR NONE Anybody that gives you a thumbs down needs to have their head examined. I am a former auto tech ( Mazda) for 25 years that eventually quit because of flat rate. I am now working in the forklift industry. I wish I found you while I was still in automotive. I apply your videos that I watch to troubleshooting a fault in a electrical ( 36 volt) forklift.. Your videos make me look like a hero for a new guy compared to the other guys in the shop. They come to me for advice when they have problems. I owe it all to you Paul. I wish I found you when I was in automotive. You would of made me look like a hero compared to our tech support idiots. Keep up the great content that you produce and God bless you and family. By the way..... tell your brother to start producing videos... I miss him and his approach to tackling problems. .
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@@ScannerDanner i cant believe how many people ask car questions on ur feedback page. it boggles my mind
Best quote: *"Hold the test light closer than your finger!"*
words to live by 🤣
lol, did he zap himself in this one too? 🤣 (watching now)
I'm surprised you didn't use a current clamp to see the driver not grounding that circuit. Also surprised you didn't give the circuit a ground to see it spark happen when give it a ground. Love you videos you brought me up in this field 🙌
yeah, I could have showed that too and it would have been a real good test from the fuse (damn, missed opportunity there for sure). As for the giving it a ground test, I've never been able to make ignition coils fire manually. Not 100% sure why. Some type of capacitance issue with the jumper wire, compared to a transistor circuit.
@@ScannerDanner Hi Teach!! The coil turn-off is super important for how the coil produces spark. That is why you can't fire a coil "manually". great video!!:)
@@ScannerDanner If you added a capacitor in parallel to the circuit, the coil should be able to fire. That's how it was done with old breaker-point ignition systems.
@@josephwash109 i was actually thinking that, thank you!
Great video Mr.Danner as always and a great lesson for both the future young techs and us old farts.Everyone have a great and safe weekend.
Great educational video Danner. Always a pleasure to watch. It's great to mention that before switching the computer to check for a shorted coil or wire. I once put a new computer to a Ford fusion that had a shorted coil. They put in all new coils and it was still misfiring. I changed the computer, worked great, charged him for a diag and new PCM, and went on my way. The next day the client called me pissed off that the computer didn't work. I returned and I saw that the client put in the original shorted coils back in and returned the new coils and got his money back. HUH? I put in another new computer and coil and charged him again, but collected the money up front.
Lesson learned for him! Smh, some people man
Great video Paul. Very good information for those who are not familiar to these systems.
I love this discussion rather than fixing the car.thanks Scannerdanner
Thanks Paul, I really like it when you do some of these more basic videos. Good review.
Excellent video. After 6 to 8 hours out in my shop either under a hood or under a car, I’m 65 and suppose to be retired but am busier than most shops in my area, I come in and see Paul has another video up. It’s going to be a great evening and I look forward to learning something. Who says you can’t teach and old dog new tricks. Thank you SD!!
Brilliant. I had an issue a week ago with an electronic handbrake that was shutting down the driver side rear hb because it seen an issue. When I put a test light in parallel I could see the test light, light on start up and then shut down so I knew the system was shutting the circuit down and it wasn't a supply voltage issue thanks to this video.
AS ALWAYS, excellent tutorial! You are the best diagnostic tech on the internet...probably one of the best there is.
I'm definitely not that, but really appreciate this comment
i had some great teachers in tech and college but damn just this one video i can see how great it would of been to have you as an teacher. hell i learn something new almost everytime i watch your videos and ive been doing its for ten years! love the video as always thanks
Thank you!
Just wanted to say "hi"...now back to the video. Your description area is always top notch. That was a great visual. Test light steady, not in control. Test light flickering = control.
How you feeling? Last video l watched of yours you said you had some health issues or operation forthcoming.
thank you! And I just learned that when you put the descriptions in this way with the time stamps, that the YT player automatically places the chapters in the video timeline! Awesome!!
@@ScannerDanner - AHH, so THAT'S how people are doing that - it's TH-cam! LOL - no wonder I couldn't figure it out! I still can't figure out the whole "Shorts" thing, but I think it's because it can only be done on a smartphone, and not a desktop.
Awesome👍
Another great case study by SD👍
I cannot thank you enough for teaching us the testlight testing method, seriously there're time's when I had identified a missfire simply by checking integrity of the control side of the coil (with a testlight) & it has been 💯% accurate everytime👍
God Bless You SD, Stay Safe❤
Great video Paul! Those thermal cameras are pretty awesome. I've used a thermal temp gun a few times to help read exhaust temps to figure out cylinder misfires.
This was really helpful. I never noticed, this design invites the ground side of the primary coil straight back into the PCM. So, if you have a bad plug you'll get an unexpected spike of voltage feeding right back into the computer. This audacious design opens the door to HUGE voltage spikes straight back into the PCM, defining the path to the crusher for vehicles as they age. Small wonder that more conventional designs put the transistor onto the coil, so the whole unit can be swapped out easily, and the PCM driver is protected.
Hi Paul, You gave away the surprise in the beginning, you dirty bird,but I still loved it. btw I'm from Carnegie, but I now live in Burgettstown for 41 yrs. neighbor. I still go to the south hills area,maybe I'll see you around!!
That would be cool!
Love the thermal imaging capabilities, been using them for 25 yrs! Suggest you lock the scaling when comparing images or you can easily get burnt! You’ll see there’s quite a difference between the max temperature on the two banks.
Great Video! We all need a refresh on system troubleshooting, it keep us on top of our game. Thanks for sharing. Don't forget to take us along to Jimmy's Shop when you get a chance.
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Excellent video Dan. As always very thorough with instructions and explanation. I am a railroad technician. Troubleshooting is my job and passion. Always looking for new ways to prove out a fault. I love using the tools available to prove my theory of fault. “Known good” is the best option when available. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge with others. I love to learn. Empowering feeling. Thanks again. Desi S.
Man was I wishing the coil would wake up while you had your finger on it. I know how much you enjoy a little jolt from time to time.
😂😂
No worries, Paul - I need all the review material I can get, because I just can't get certain things to stick! The older I get, the worse my memory retention gets. When I was 17, I used to soak this stuff up like a sponge and it would stick for life. Now everything has been turned on its head from those days with computers & fuel injection, and then OBD-II later on. Just like starting over again! That's how it feels for me at least. One day I'll get so frustrated I want to quit all of it, then the next, I T-pin a ground wire at an ignition plug and get an '04 Yukon running in minutes - it hadn't run in over a month! Roller coaster of my life, lol. Win some, lose many! LOL. Anyway, hope you guys all had a great Thanksgiving together, and have a Merry Christmas as well.
Lots of technical points and testing.
Thank you sir.
You're a teacher and you really want people to learn!
Thanks from Ukraine. We watching you!!
As a Ford tech, ill consume any information you can give me. Very useful tests and procedures. I have adopted some of your methods and have improved my way of thinking about circuitry.
Awesome, thank you!
Great info.
Excellent video ! Thanks Paul ..... I mean Scanner !
My cell phone has a FLIR camera inbuilt, it is such a great tool for finding faults on vehicles, right down to parasitic current draw, it enables getting right down to the heat output of individual wires to find circuits that are staying live. I highly recommend the use of thermal imaging cameras as a tool to get the "bigger picture".
What cell phone do you have?
@@dans_Learning_Curve Ulephone Armor 9
Thanks for sharing this Paul... Cheers.
As always great video from great Master tech
Hello Paul,
I've heard you explain this in the past but if you don't mind, I'd like a little refresher on why you SHOULD use an incandescent test light and why an LED test light SHOULD NOT be used when testing ECU circuits? Is it because the ECU has the transistor inside? Is it due to the amp draw of the LED test light being too high (although I would think it draws less amos than an incandescent test light)?
Thank you for your reply, Paul. You're THE ABSOLUTE best teacher I've ever had the pleasure of knowing (even better than my college Micro Economics II teacher, and he was superb)!
Higher resistance on the winding for incandescent test lights.
@@scientist100 Thank you!
There are times for both.
As for this video and why you must use an incandescent light:
1. The secondary KV that was jumping to my light when performing the cylinder drop test, would absolutely fry an LED test light
2. The coil control test, where we watched the light flicker, this too may cook and LED type bulb and/or test results can be misleading.
To be honest, LED test lights have very little use and value when troubleshooting because of their inaccuracy and when I do use them, it is never during circuit testing, only to trigger low voltage circuits (like and ignition coil trigger signal on a COP)
@@ScannerDanner Thank you for the detailed explanation, Paul. I hope the family and Caleb's baby are doing well!
It is a good idea to have a bit of knowledge about the load capacity of the transistors when it comes to testing transistor switched circuits in control units using test lights. A bulb type test lamp can blow up transistors.
Good stuff Paul, thanks! My luck id put my finger on the coil and the computer would come back to life
I have seen spark on one terminal of a coil pair before, although it was pretty weak. it still fired enough to not set codes on that cylinder. seems to me it was always the ford 3.0L v6 in the aerostar, maybe because people abused them to death.
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Great video Paul! Bit of a review for me, but always great to walk thru the thought process with you...looking forward to part 3 of your new case study on SDPM.
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Thank you for good clearify sir..wish lucky future for u and family
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Thanks danner great informative video as usual
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Thank you, Paul.
awesome video Paul Danner.
Good review material.
great video Mate . you are the Master
Great video Paul .thank you for bringing us to this diagnostic video ..I always look forward to your videos and I am on your premium channel and website watching so many informative videos and lectures ,and actually watch some twice to get the information to sink in ..so thank you Brother and oh by the way cool weather here in Florida and the hoodie I purchased with the “ scope on a rope “ sure is keeping theses old bones warm .. sometimes I’ve been asked if that’s a Rocket on my hoodie ….love the puzzled look I get when I tell them it’s a scope on a rope😂😂… thank you Paul and Caleb for the Awesome work …..stay safe
That's freaking awesome, thank you my friend.
Real cool on thermal imager
Great Job Mr P
Danner are you working out or something man? Seems like you are slimming down. Either way, great refresher video, makes me feel like I’m learning since I can answer some of the questions you pose during the video.
SD Premium video from 2018, so yes, I was slimmer and working out more then lol. But I'm back at it again 😃
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thank you so much, does a computer cut off the control from the coil and injector when they are a mecanical problem like a sticking valve ?
yes but only the injector, never the ignition coil. And it typically has to be a constant misfire for the injector to be shut off. It also needs to be a properly identified cylinder. So a random misfire code and issue would not result in an injector shut-down condition.
Paul, just as a detail, it seems that the coil naming is based on firing order: 1+ companion cylinder = coil A, 4 + companion = coil B and 2+companion = coil C
Your being very modest. You know d#mn well your thinking you cant use a multimeter to detect control lol. Great video like always
I've got to get me one of those thermal imaging cameras. I don't know if you saw it Paul but Ivan from Pine Hollow recently did a video on a PT Cruiser and he used one of those to find a loose terminal issue. Looks like some of the cheaper ones run around 300 bucks.
I had a 2012 Focus where a slightly damaged flexplate cause a cylinder 1 intentional shutdown with a P0351.
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Great video Paul , keep it up.
That's nice.
You said (Don't see ignition coils being shut down intentionally).
I see it before in Mercedes Benz W210 M111 engine.
It had 2 waste spark ignition coils.
Ignition coil for cylinder 2 & 3 just firing while starting Some seconds then shut down, but when I cranking the engine no compression in one cylinder, which is cylinder 3,so the ME (mercedes Benz ECM or PCM)
Shut down ignition coil for 2 and 3, there is no problem in cylinder 2 just waste spark ignition system grind them hahaha.
But I don't inspect in that time there is a pulse to injector or no.
You talk about Nissan, Some of them when it had a timing misalignment shut down a coil intentionally waste or cop.
For sure there are scenarios where we shut down ignition systems. I should have specified, that catalyst protection (which is what we are doing when shutting injectors down), cannot be achieved by shutting down an ignition coil in the same manner as you'd have raw fuel entering the exhaust.
2 words thank you
Wow that was interesting.
Great video! What thermal imaging camera are you using?
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I was wondering since the vehicle shut down corresponding injectors on a ignition misfire will the oxygen sensors sense that dead air on those dead cylinders and make the fuel trims more positive because of the lean condition or does computer go into open loop because of misfire and disregard oxygen sensor data all together?
Great question! Lambros asked that too. I want to know!
Force open loop during this condition my friends
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Hi Paul,
Great video, again!
What I was thinking to eliminate a faulty coil B is to connect an wire to the negative side of the battery and with the other side at the driver side using the t-pin. As you already had an t-pin on the driver of the PCM. Disconnect the plugwires and make an, let's say, u wire with an opening in the middle on the coil. By tapping the wire, for a short period of time, you should see the coil fire right?
Just an thought to try to prove that the coil B is functioning.
That is an possible test with this disigned system right? Would like to hear you thoughts about this.
Have a great weekend and kind regards from The Netherlands
Out of curiosity, would the "injector fault" pid(s) be set as true while the intentional injector shutdown is active? Or is the ECM smart enough to leave that false?
I wouldn't rely on that pid for diagnostics, I'm just curious.
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Hay Paul, is o² sensor b1s1 an up-stream sensor?... I may be confused but I thought b1s1 was up-stream and b1s2 was down-stream. I get what you mean about the test except the scanner was on 02sb1s1, which I thought was up- and sensor 2 was down-stream..?
I think I had all 4 up when showing the o2 sensors? Yes, b1s1 is upstream
I was expecting your son to throw a clip from the past , on this one . Know you know which one lol .
Could there have been a bad connector to the computer pin, within the computer connector block, due to the wire connector terminal, being ohmed, maybe, by the previous tech ?
you mean a spread apart terminal at the PCM? For sure, that would be your final check if I didn't show that
Great video, as usual. I just had a similar situation on a 2010 Jeep Wrangler with the old 3.8. 2 dead holes and the same thing, PCM not firing the coil and I used the old Verus Edge to verify the PCM failed. Same thing, flat 14 volts on the control circuit. Forgot about the test light trick, though.
Hi scanner, so when is blinking light it is control, that is good? And when light is not blinking that mean is no good? Please reply. Thanks
light blinks = good control (good driver, good wiring)
Maybe someone can help me. I’m having the kinda same issue on my 2007 f150 4.2L. Multiple coil packs replaced no help then a total of 3 ecms replaced with zero help.
i am having a similar issue with my 99 f150 4.2l. i have the same exact code but truck only stumbles when you fist crack the throttle. i have done all the test i can without a scope. i do have forscan an am showing missfire on number 3 but not enough to cause a code. code sets at 32% the miss is only 16%. i have burned up 2 coils somehow. i kinda feel like one of the coil drivers is bad in the pcm. the coil pack will ohm out fine but over time go from a slight miss to a more severe miss in a couple days. i just replaced the coil pack again. i never fully loose spark it just starts to act up and the coil seems to get very hot and overheat. main symptom is hesitation when you accelerate. after a couple days of driving it gets worse and worse till coil needs to be replaced again. it never sets a fault code though. any help would be great Thanks.
Are you changing the plug too? You have to at least start with that.
But other than that, it is lab scope and low amp probe time for sure! We'd be able to see if it was a driver issue in the ECM
@@ScannerDanner Thanks for the reply, yes the plug was swapped and wiring continuity ck'd from plug to the pcm. i tried to ck the pulse with a test light like you did it will pulse on all wires but only for a few seconds till it shuts off injectors and engine starts running terrrible. im wondering why the code is only pending. ive been a diesel tech for 20 years and never really had to work on an ignition system like this. what would you recomend. Awesome content by the way!
I found this video as I am looking for an answer on a coil "a" intermittent misfire on a 2002 delica v6. coil is good. testing at icm shows constant 14.1 when symptomatic. I have yet to find the pcm on this thing. My question is, do these things ever go intermittent? I should note, often becomes symptomatic after running for ~30 minutes. will straighten itself out however if I keep driving. Thanks!
Yes, you can have intermittent coil driver issues. What is a delica? Did you mean celica?
@@ScannerDanner thanks for the reply! mitsubishi delica, it's got a 6g72 in it. mi just in the process of chasing back to ecu and then address cam and crank sensors.
Another great video from you, SD .Learned something again. I have a question.
When the ECM ,shut down the injector or injectors due to a problem as in this case, what happening with the short and long fuel trims?I can understand that the oxygen sensor will " sniff " more air (because the misfire cylinders will 'pump ' air to the exhaust system)in the exhaust, but it will spray more fuel in the healthy cylinders,trying to 'correct, what the lambda sensor reads?
Great question!
I believe you are correct, but let's see what the master says.
@@bartsarton2212 Thanks Bart. I am waiting for the master ,to tell us/teach us ,what is happening in this case.
From what I've seen, STFT will go to 0% corrections during the intentional shut-down period. So basically, a forced open loop condition.
Hi Paul, thanks as always for the video... A question: In the scenario where the injector is firing but no spark; I'm wondering why u said that would make the o2-2 indicate rich... cos I'm thinking if that fuel is not burning it should still cause a lean? ... or does the fuel burn in the cat cos it's hot? - Thanks :)
First, I think this test is more valuable when you have an intermittent misfire.
Second, the fuel that enters the cat, will deplete the cat of oxygen (a burn takes place) and this results in very little, if any remaining oxygen, so your O2 signal voltage will be high, not low
Last of the 4.2s....
Yeah and it was a pretty good engine! Real old school design with the push rod setup, pretty good truck engine though it made tons of low end torque and it was pretty reliable!
@@lustfulvengance mine is a 97.255k miles.
When was this one filmed?
This was a 2018 premium video
Goodnight my friend just want to ask i am working on land rover freelander 2005 with no spark no injector pulse what you think it is
Scan it for codes, check for an rpm signal during cranking as a starting point
@@ScannerDanner I scan it for no codes no rpm signal when cranking I even do test where you show how to do pull up and pull down which this land rover is pull down cause it have five volts refrence when i do it with test light I could hear the fuel pump relay click as I do the bypass test with test light
@@travisdore457 what are you bypassing? The crank sensor signal? You definitely don't want to jump the 5v reference circuit with a test light to ground. A 5v pull-down signal circuit is fine, but not the 5v ref itself.
@@ScannerDanner ok cool thanks but you think the immolizer is bad if it can block the spark plus injector pulse that's what I am experiencing on a land rover freelander 2005 thanks much
@@travisdore457 if you have immobilizer issues, you should have a code for that
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Hi Paul, great video. Please tell me about the light bulb in your test light.
It is simply an incandescent filament style bulb, which is absolute required for this type of testing
12v, 3w, 250 mA?
Is this an old video or new one?
2018 premium video. New to TH-cam
I have a ford f150 4.2 liter engine
It doesn’t start unless you are pressing the accelerator pedal down but dies as soon as you let up on the pedal
Not enough data to help
@@ScannerDanner 2001 f150 4.2
Truck will not start until the accelerator pedal is pressed and held all the way down but it will die as soon as you let off the pedal. . No codes.
@user-ls6il5rt7p what is your ECT temperature on scan data with the engine cold? What is your fuel pressure? Does this 01 have a fuel psi regulator or damper on the fuel rail? Pull the vacuum hose off of it and see if there is fuel running out when you start it
I'm going to guess that the old coil shorted out and that's what cooked the driver.....
Get a donor PCM and say the drivers. Way cheaper than to get a new one and then do all the imo programming and such.
From what I've seen on the waste spark models is that no, the ECM drivers are just failing. I've done two or three of these and it was just the ECM driver and maybe one other that was a shorted coil, that took the driver out. The COP systems are different. Those were almost always a coil that cooked first. I've even seen those where the driver cooks the coil from staying on constantly!
This is some old video. I see now in video April 2018.
Greetings
Yes sir, this was pulled from a 2018 premium video. Figured I owed you guys one and Caleb and I have been working hard on this premium series were doing, so this was it for this week 😉
What underhood light you got over there?
Great video!
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Could you put the DMM in Frequency mode and see a hertz delta between the coils? Would not a frequency measurement equate to
H=2(RPM)/Number of coils IE: rpm=1000 H=2000/3 H=667hertz
2 x RPM due to waste spark
Possibly, but I think the noise in that control wire, from the other shared coils could give you some frequency changes too, leading to questions. Im not sure
On G.M. coil on plug and coil near plug you can absolutely use frequency on the multimeter to check for control,have done this for quick check
@@johnhnetkovsky8917 on that design, you're measuring the coil trigger signal (transistor is part of the coil), so there is a very distinct on/off signal on those, which is completely different from coil -
I know, that is why I specified those G.M. coils,for those who didn't know you could do that on those coils. Was not comparing to Ford coil at all brotha.
@@johnhnetkovsky8917 no problem John, and thanks for the info and comment!
R u back at Rosedale? Thank u for the vid!!
Premium video from 2018 😉
Q:
In waste spark ignition coil you can feed it by B+ and connect a test light to GND then touch the other pin for ignition to firing.
And can do this to COP with 3 or 4 pins which is transistor inside it by connect test light to B+.
Such As this from my channel
th-cam.com/video/7YcYHWnzM0s/w-d-xo.html
Why I can't do it with COP with 2 pins which is transistor in PCM?
When I feed ignition coil COP 2 pins by B+ and connect my test light to GND then touch the other pin for COP, ignition coil didn't fire.???
Because the ones you are able to fire, have the ignition coil driver as part of the coil and you are actually being the transistor trigger signal.
On the ignition coils where the transistor is external to the coil, you'll never be able to manually fire them.
I've seen you do this a million times, but always wondered why 30-50k volts from a spark module doesn't blow up a 12V test light?
Just for info it will damage a led test light. He’s using an old school incandescent one
Because the 30K volts outputted are low amp. It's not nearly enough to blow an incandescent light. But it's sufficient to blow an LED. Or even a power probe.
@@cyberslacker5150 I appreciate your answer, but I'm still having a hard time understanding this.
If a 12V test light draws about 250 mA, then the resistance of that test light is about 48 ohms.
If you pass 30,000V through 48 ohms that equals 625 amps (using Ohm's law). Why doesn't it blow?
@@bartsarton2212 because the bulb filament is a PTC resistor and it is super low resistance without the heat.
@@bartsarton2212 An ignition coil is a step up transformer,when you step up voltage you decrease current. At 30,000 volts current is very little,in the milliamps not enough to light the test light. There is not 625 amps available.
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Why Ford why, seeing more trucks with leaking spark under 10k on the clock... Owner wont take to dealer warranty and no CEL. Got video of it.
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