EX-BRITISH SOLIDER on East Tyrone IRA | How Dangerous Were They ?? | Jon Trigg
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- Preview clip from upcoming episode... Ex British soldier and author Jon Trigg provides insight into how the military viewed the infamous guerrilla soldiers of the East Tyrone IRA.
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It has always saddened me that young English, Scots and Welsh men died at the behest of the ruling class in London.
Born Scot here with Irish grandparents. The ones who did simply identify as British, wore that British uniform and were deservedly treated as such by the Republican movement. Ireland will end up reunifying, after 800 year of struggle, it will be an indescribable gratitude to witness for us Irish diaspora. Unfortunately, around half of Scots (identify as Brits) have lost their identity due to the events with England usurping Scotland;
First through the Treaty of Greenwich which Queen Mary of Scots refused the sign the Treaty of Crowns which resulted in her beheading, then son kidnapped by the English at 1 year old, groomed by the English and subsequently continued direct English and, later, Brit, annexation and colonialism in Ireland.
Jacobites failed to defeat the Red Coats over the 17th century to reclaim back Scotland.
Then the 18th century came along, with it, England/British Army put its Army on the Scottish Border (and the north of Ireland), issued a threat of invasion for Scotland to sign the Treaty of Union (with bribes paid), this then got passed in the Scottish parliament (acts of Union), which caused widespread riots in Scotland, the English/British Army then carried out shoot on sight orders and within a year squished all rebellions and riots.
The Referendum that came along in 2014 Scotland blew it, which left us Scots heartbroken, bewildered, baffled and angry. Its claimed in media that most born Scots voted Yes, but Scotland a whole (including all the migrants, Anglo settlers here etc) most of them voted No which produced a total 55% No vote.
Since the Anglos arent coming to the table to accept another referendum we find ourselves in a catch 22 situation.
Us Scots who want the nation back are losing patience. The North Brits here are beyond redemption, no different than the Loyalists in the North; they are entrenched with sectarian bigotry and give an allegiance to England/Westminster, its ruling class and romanticism of the British Empire, they make us Scots sick.
Scotland may find itself having to fight for its Independence again...
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@@MrAnon1916 😂 😂 utter bollocks
@@jonathancarpenter3064 ?
its over run with migrants anyway now, why dont you do something about it
They had a mind of their own and only knew one side of the conflict
As an Army veteran i served 3 tours in the 70's it was a dangerous place, you couldn't trust anyone. You could be caught out at any time
@@jackietreehorn5561 for British not English. I'm am Welsh(British)
@@welshwizard55 and when you outlived your use discarded by the British armed forces with no PTSD treatment or aftercare and many ex squaddies homeless when dole scroungers get treated better.... personally I would ask was it worth it
@@jackietreehorn5561 Would I do it now for this goverment ? I doubt it.
@@welshwizard55 it's always the same story with veterans the world over....most recruits are under 25 years old because the are the most impressionable and easily indoctrinated.....I have family in Wales they moved there during the troubles....been over many times... beautiful part of the world
East Tyrone man here, I can confirm that Cappagh now has road signs all year round 😂😂😂
Easy Tyrone and Sourh Armagh brigades were top tier. If Adam’s and McGuinness didn’t betray their comrades and people like Daithi O Connell retained leadership of the Provisionals, I believe that the out coke would have been different. How different? I don’t know. But those were true men of vision.
Anyways, besides all that, what the provisionals managed to achieve was nothing short of spectacular. Very capable men.
This is another excellent podcast with a very accessible guest, who clearly kept to the facts
When I was in primary school 1980s in West Belfast the British army made a fort called fort Jericho and as young boy I was a dangerous we lad and done a lot of damage today I write Madeira 40 40 Liamp atrick Mr CCC?
Great channel very interesting interviews , thanks
Most of East Tyrone brigade was taken out in Loughall in 1987
Nonsense, there were dozens of volunteers still operating in the following years, no shortage of men and women to step up !!!
@user-yg4nn3dd8x Not the same caliber as Lynagh and Co.
Problem is with saying that "most of the ETB" were taken out at Loughgall is that, while experienced and dedicated activists were killed during that operation, far from all the brigade was killed.
The OC after Paddy Kelly, remarked that there was an influx of new recruits after the killings. This is why creating martyrs in Ireland has always been counter-productive (the Brits have learnt that the hard way at times over the years).
Highly experienced and ruthless activists were still there in the Tyrone brigade like the Harte brothers, Lawrence McNally, Pete Ryan, Seamus Woods, Dessie Grew, Martin McCaughey, Henry Louis McNally and of course others too and others unknown.
@@Heresy1987 well put !! I love the way the author portrays himself as a self appointed expert on all things east Tyrone !! Apart from the men you’ve named who were subsequently killed on active service the young men killed in clonoe and boyles bar, there were also very senior me arrested on foiled operations who ended up behind bars in long kesh. In fact as a relative of Declan Arthur’s once put it , East Tyrone multiplied not only in terms of volunteers, but also in regards to operations carried out, successful or otherwise !!!
Once in a while you get awesome vids. thanks
East tyrone and South Armagh most feared volunteers in world
South Armagh, yes. East Tyrone riddled with touts.
Legends.pity there is far too many squeelers in this country
Unfortunately you are right. No other brigade lost more men to inside information the whole brigade kept losing key players@user-hj3rt9gd3y
@user-hj3rt9gd3y only tout in there was Gerry A!!!
The SAS are volunteers two by the way😊
As an Irish man in the free state we all want the island of Ireland reunited.
But it saddens many of us that young Irish and English men died for political decisions.
Here we are in 2024 and looking back it was such a waste.
We have a way way bigger problem no called Islamic immigration that our friends and neighbours over in the UK.
Even the unionists up in the North are finally understanding their day of dominance is over and we have more in common than not.
Free State? Ireland is a republic now bud. The Free State had the King as head of state on paper at least
@@johnfogarty91 in the north we still call it the free state.....I'm nationalist areas
Fantastic podcast John. Very impressed with John Triggs knowledge on the subject and impartiality
I've watched & read shedloads of stuff about 'The Troubles' as well as spending time in Ireland in the 1990s too. This is probably the best channel I've watched. Very objective. Loads of different perspectives & guests from both sides on. Great presenter too, who allows people to speak & tell their stories. What surprised me about Ireland was how friendly people were towards me. Being English I expected to be hated especially in Derry, Tyrone, The Lower Falls, South Armagh and over the border into The Republic. I just hope eventually that the whole of Ireland is united & everyone just gets on with their neighbours (as they did in Malone where my first wife was from) 👍
@derekrushton1705 well we'll not hold it against u, your first wife being from malone, sure half of England has descendants from here. But I don't think a united Ireland matters now, they are owned by the wef and eu plus people keep going on about it too simply. The loyalists mobilised 2000 men a few weeks ago to expel a few renegades on their side, they went nuts over the union Jack being removed, a united Ireland isn't guaranteed, all the sinn fein votes may not materialise when people realise their bru may stop and loyalists could start civil war
A United Ireland wint be happening, traitor
@johnbush6901 well tell me how it well matter while Irish homeless die and illegals are literally put in 4 star hotels, and are mostly African and Arabic, unless that is stopped immediately, then nothing else matters, no groups like celtic woman, the cranberries. Do I want my nation unified of course but if those other things don't stop I can't see the point and if anyone is a traitor it's our politicians
@@ArchStanton-xx6sj Sadly, I think you're probably right. Like two bald men fighting over a comb..Good luck though Arch 👍
@@johnbush6901 Ever Heard of Oliver Cromwell? Turning the whole of ireland into a giant potato plantation & when millions died, do nothing? The Easter Rising? Partition..Problems we created. Northern Ireland was a political catastrophe waiting to happen..Something Westminster had completely ignored. They didn't know where Derry was. Gerrymandering kept Nationalists out of political power. 99% of The RUC were protestants. The B Specials? No one does anything without a reason.
They called you squaddies and thought you were not supposed to be ther 🤷♂️ they do have a point
Where are they now there's a real invasion ??
Theres a difference between guerrilla experts and soldiers. That came from a us 🇺🇸 marine that joined the IRA. He said they were nothing like soldiers. They didn't have to be. Its like a drone operator compared with a sniper
Bitter snout 👃🏻
@@RobertOtoole-jo5bgthe army council is only 7 people. What you are saying isn't true.
@@Hiberno_spergA us soldier wouldn't know a maybush from a Hawthorne bush never mind a invisible borderlands.
This is more like it thanks Mr John.
Did many civilians die of attacks or mines in south Armagh or east Tyrone.
Thanks for sharing
The provos had discipline. don't let them plant seeds. The provos have discipline. Can't beat that!
This channels brilliant
Think Trigg is right on the 'country' mentality that informed those fellas in EastTyrone and S. Armagh. They could all do a bit of concreting or wiring or welding or fitting or whatever. There's no need to bring in outsiders for basic craft skills - and those outsders are the first and biggest security risk. They just had that level of technical competence and ability to improvise that the lads in Creggan or Ballymurphy aren't going to have. You put that 'make-and-mend' ability with serious commitment and serious local knowledge and you're going to have a serious operation.
ETB were decent, Cappagh was pretty nails definitely,
If the British army had not been in the island of Ireland a lot of people would be alive today on all sides
Very interesting 👍
It’s Eric Clapton!
The army goes where it's told by government, and can't refuse.
R.I.P. Bobby.
In their day they were up there both those areas and generally, they were self taught literally by volunteers being blown up, trial and error, loyalists were made bombs by fru otherwise how did they lose that ability. They came within an ace of doing 2 PM,s no vc or al queda came close 2 that. Plus they were either trained, funded and armed by the c i.a. or China. I have posted this 4 times now it's funny how the usa mustn't want it up because i don't think anyone with opinion on troubles would care either way
We never feared them , we thought they were all cowards ,
Not true. One of my brothers mates was there in the 80's. He said although professional composure was always kept, most had a real fear of the I.R.A
Not true mate. South Armagh was a scarey place for a soldier. Fear is what kept you alive. The south Armagh volunteers were far from cowards. Bastard's yes. Cowards no.
@@johnribble just saying...you got paid a wage and the cowards you talk off done it with jail or death to be certain...... would you do the same?
@@jackietreehorn5561 don’t know where your coming from with this ,but I feel the same as I did when I serverd over there , yes they are cowards , terrorists not freedom fighters ,murdered as many as thier own ..
@@johnribbleyou might have known if you grew up in a republican area.....that's what I'm saying if we had different upbringing we would have very different options... respect tho to you...we have moved on
Look up SAS ambush coal island 92
Don’t tell me PIRA ran around East Tyrone untouchable
They all lost soldiers. Look up Warrenpoint
@user-bk3gn7wl1e that's not the point he was making
@@Saywhatnow-o3w nobody is saying they/we didn’t
I was there In Tyrone so have first hand experience
The video and this ex soldier tend to imply that IRA ran around at will in Tyrone when the facts were very different we shut their operations down across the county on many occasions at will
We the British Army were walking figure 11 targets with our hands tied behind our backs with rules of engagement
Proof of evidence, legal tape etc
The provos had no such rules, dressed in civilian clothing and melted into the background as quickly as they would appear
Yet we knew who they were what they had done in previous attacks
But could do nothing
Unless we caught them in the act
It was a dirty war for sure but never was it all out on both sides
They were a formidable enemy
It was a shame so many people on all three sides had to die before the inevitable realisation was accepted that only a political solution would break the stalemate of death and destruction and
Lay the road to peace
RIP everyone who lost their lives loved ones in the province during the troubles 🙏🏻
@@quadintheuk8870 Well said.
@@quadintheuk8870 similar to the Vietcong..... was a guerilla war....the difference was you got paid a wage......not being bitter but would you do it with jail or death certain and living on the run?....if you are from across the water you never grew up in a divided society.... thankfully it's all in the past
Who sent ye their 6 months playing soldier's the England's sent ye their so who killed ye every time England will send young lads out to play soldier's 😎🇮🇪not one of their kids died 😎🇮🇪
East Tyrone riddled with touts.
Horseshit
Sas had a lot of success is all tyrone for some reason
@JustMeHere359 Belfast would have not knows about any op being planned.
@JustMeHere359 I would put nothing past anyone knowing what toutes were there and the ones who have not been exposed yet . Spying for money is big biz and no one better at it than the British they are at it centuries .
@gerardhenry5501 So the IRA high command would not have known about operations in Tyrone... Are you serious ? All big operations would need approval.
Did many civilians die of attacks or mines in south Armagh or east Tyrone.
I hope not
@@Reverands420 just wondering obviously hopefully not.
The vast majority of provisional volunteers in rural areas were farmers , in the building trades, mechanics etc, most worked at a full time job but were dedicated to the struggle against unionist supremacy, British domination , second class citizenship, discrimination in employment, housing and education.
If the Unionists had not treated the native Irish, Catholic population of the six counties so badly and instead implemented a policy of equality for all regardless of religion or race then there would have been no Troubles .
Fortunately in Northern Ireland we have a lasting peace because of mutual respect and equality legislation, long may it last.
IRA killed more catholics than the army, ruc pnsi put together.
@@Galwayblazersorry but the struggle wasnt about equality. It was about a United Ireland and a socialist one at that.
Shinners have spun surrender and defeat into a propaganda coup and it's been bought wholesale by people wishing to think the struggle for civil rights was at the backbone of the reason why the IRA re-emerged. It wasnt.
Despite the Provos carrying out an armed insurrection against an imperialistic power, it certainly wasnt based around the notion of "equality for Catholics".
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It’s such a disgrace the third world Muslim immigration now taking over the country slowly bit by bit and being helped by those in power, after all the suffering and killing. I know what I’m talking about as I grew up there near Fivemiletown but now live far away. Had my brother in law shot and wounded by the sas in 1985 near Favour Royal in a case of mistaken identity…so they said.
@@killingtime7350Same Muslims that armed them through the troubles
@@WalterHopevalleyrailwayenthusiyou're forgetting other volunteers, supporters and activists that brought in guns throughout Europe and America. None of which were Muslim.
Ex British soldier talking complete bullshit.
In what way Thomas? He seems to have great knowledge of what went on
Im sure you was there and know better🙄
Most of the provos were touts unfortunately
Some ,not most, very few actually, it was the few in leadership positions did the damage
Billy Wright had East Tyrone running
Whatever happened with him?
He never really
Special branch played him for a puppet ffs
@@AndrewEllis-h8c aye killing women, and there was a guy called crip who opened the door and poor William couldn't even run
@user-ir2om7lt6o Billy wright u having a laugh lol. He was nothing without his security forces for backup. And it was maguire that did most of the killing