Kamaru Usman, Georges St-Pierre and GOAT’s…
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ม.ค. 2022
- Chael Sonnen talks Kamaru Usman, Georges St-Pierre and GOAT’s on this episode of Beyond the Fight.
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1 v 5, he gets the W, not a scratch on him and doesn't speak on it, that's the 🐐
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Ok.. but where does Kevin Lee fit in all of this?...
FACTS !!
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but pissed hot after the fight, thats why he went to jail
"the fighters of today will always be better than the fighters of yesterday, if you asked me who is the greatest fighter of all time, well he hasn't been born yet" - GSP
The true GOAT.
I mean, we all know Uncle Chael is the correct answer to that question..
@@Cray2TheZ you gotta simp out to the undefeated meme on every conversation?
@fastguitar where is your proof of that considering he was the first guy begging for testing
@@2CanSam1000 Its just idiocy, that argument. Its like me saying, "I dont like Jose Aldo, therefore he's a cheater cuz he had psychic powers that allowed him to win his fights by controlling his opponent's thoughts; since you can prove he doesn't have psychic powers, I win the argument." its just pure idiocy.
Huge respect for Khabib that he would even consider that. Love him or hate him, he's a man of honor and integrity
They trained for 2 weeks at the same place and Justin Gaethje told Khabib he will never tap every day, that's why Khabib let go he knew Justin wasn't going to tap and he didn't want to end Justin's career like that. Snapping someones arm like that would take years to fully heal which would mean he wouldn't be able to train, that would have been the end for Justin.
Interesting that we haven't heard about Uncle Chael's 5 v 1 brawl
Cringe
Can't talk about ongoing litigation publicly, I would assume that's the reason for his silence. He vaguely referenced it on the first podcast back.
@@LiamPicksFights he did?
@@WTFisupDennys vaguely. It was a day or two of silence and then his first video back was him doing like a cameo for someone and saying he was a day late for it but it was for a really good reason, which was him referencing the incident. Hasn’t spoken on it since. I have been waiting patiently as well lol
@@vincentkennedymcmahon50 what is cringe?
I don't think Usman will get a fair chance in this conversation until after he's gone. If the guys he beat go on to be dominant champs or fighters then it'll really boost his legacy
Agreed!
He isnt that close in my opinion to even be considered. Look all these fighters at their prime. (GSP, BJ Penn, Anderson Silva, Aldo, DJ, Fedor and so on) I know its opinion but recency bias is real
Usman literarly has half of GSP's title fight wins. He's not close yet. He's halfway there. People don't understand the longevity GSP had. Yes, he got beat more times than Kamaru (I'm counting the Hendricks fight as well), but let's just wait and see if Kamaru can stay on top for 5 more fights without losing any of them. I bet he can't.
@@dustingaethje1332 ... So GSP getting knocked out by Serra in his prime , Submitted in 1 round by Hughes, and battered by Hendricks doesn’t count against Georges, but USMAN has to stay unbeatened in 5 more bouts ?
How does that make sense ?
@@dustingaethje1332 ... “his longevity” ?
GSP took off 4 years, but somehow he gets credit for being on the sidelines?
And then he avoided fights with Anderson Silva back then, then he avoided Yoel Romero, Robert Whitaker, Rockhold, and he denied Khabib but he fought an old weathered 1 eyed Bisbing with cracked ribs ... and somehow that is revered.
I just want an even playing field. No moving the goalpost or holding USMAN to a standard that Georges wasn’t held to
To the best of my knowledge, neither Kamaru Usman nor GSP have defeated 5 men in one night. Till I learn otherwise, the one and only GOAT is Chael P. Sonnen.
If tested those 5 bums will piss hot too & Chael beat them!
Ong
They couldnt get close!
The P in Chael P Sonnen stands for Greatest
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Usman overal hasn’t overtaken GSP by a long shot yet.
Greatness is not the same as best. Best means “how good are you in your sport or game”. Greatness means achievements, icons, image, succes, and GSP is just blowin usman out of the water in those categories.
GSP beat the best of 3 generations, usman beat 2.
GSP was champ in 2 divisions+interim, usman 1
GSP has 21 wins in the UFC, usman has 15,
GSP has 16 title fights (that’s more than total wins in the ufc for usman), usman has 6 title fights.
GSP has 9 title defenses, usman has like 5.
To wrap this up, GSP was a champion for way longer, he held more UFC records like most control time and most top control time and even now he still holds more, he still has more career stats like takedown, finishes etc, his undefeated steak in the UFC is 13 in almost exclusively title fights, even having a terrible condition in his last fight. He has way better striking especially kicking, jabbing, left hook and footwork, and a higher takedown percentage and set it up better with striking and creating dilemmas.
He did all of this in a era of PED’s while staying clean himself. (Arguably usman uses PED’s) When most of his opponents were champions at one point or another. His rematches have been nothing less than destruction and he still has a 91 percentage win rate with almost double the matches.
Oh and after 4.5 years (almost going into his 40s) he returns and beats the champion of a division higher who walked around 40 pounds heavier while he had severe ulcerative colitis and was bleeding from the inside out. He also had to skip months of training right before the fight and suffered agonizing pain during the fight aswel. He couldn’t eat properly or drink properly and he was always exhausted and suffering. He won.
So you can see GSP has double the achievements in almost every category, more records, better stats, better striking, better take downs, did it under way harsher conditions against higher ranked opponents in more weight classes. Finishing of by doing something that should have been impossible. Usman is arguably not even halfway.
Even in conversation of best, GSP is a better striker, definitely better kicker, creates dilemma’s in the cage where he can set up his moves perfectly, his in and out movement is better, he has a way higher takedown percentage and by most accounts he apparently held back as much skills as possible to keep in his back pocket for when he needed it. He beer never needed it. Also apparently GSP was at this best skill wise after his lay off and we have not seen what he could do at all. He was hindered with ring rust and still won.
Usman is arguably two maybe 3 wins from surpassing GSP imo, if he retires unbeaten 18-0, beating Edwards, Luque and maybe someone Like Khamzat, it will make him the GOAT objectively speaking. He would have also broken Silva's insane 16 fight win streak convincingly while still being unbeaten and cleares the division twice.
The 2 division thing is kind of a joke, no disrespect to Bisping but he got lucky and the right cards fell to him, he wasn't championship calibre at that point, his first defense was against and old Hendo who was 2 in 6 (who let that shit happen lol) , He got KOed shortly after the GSP fight by Gastellum, and retired that same year it was one eyed Bisping after all. GSP also immeadiately vacated the title like even he knew what was up.
Also for the whole PED thing you are only guilty if you are caught lol, you can never say who is and who isn't clean, all you can do is base your conclusions on who actually pops for it, cause everyone knows how widespread PEDs are. Even in the "PED era" most fighters weren't popping even guys like Brock weren't lmao.
You made a very good point untill you said"while Gsp was clean and usman arguably uses peds".
There is no evidence that Usman uses peds or that GSP was clean since he fought most of the time before Usada.
"To wrap this up..." *writes 4 more paragraphs*
Even though Michael Jordan doesnt have the most titles or have the lead in many statistical categories, he is still referred to as the GOAT. Gsp is the most accomplished but usman is the greatest welterweight by dominance
Waiting on uncle Chael to upload his new video 5 on 1, they all needed 911
ive had the same thing since i heard khabib mentioned in this. to be in the running against gsp imo, khabib just needed more title defenses. 7-8? weeeelll its not TWO, but at least a yr or two at the top. dominant as he was, he needed more defenses and to basically rematch the whole top 5 again. top 4-5 and a new guy in there that made sense. idk why but title defenses are really important to me and its really what defines the best of the top guys. im completely on board with him never leaving 155. completely. but a reign, a real reign. like going back to the old days, take matt hughes, back then and for along time there was a real pattern of a three year reign. it seemed like when someone dominated, held the belt, it took about 3 yrs for the field to figure out a way to beat them. there seemed to be a real pattern there, and khabib needs a real reign to be in this with the likes of gsp. and i love khabib, im assuming he reitres his reign undefeated here, but still. he needed a reign, not an epic climb and brief stint.
Khabib can’t be the GOAT because beating and fighting the top of the division for 5 rounds everytime and fighting multiple generations of fighters is the hardest thing to do on the sport. He didn’t even started to do that. He also used towels to make weight and was a weight bully, an unidimensional guy can’t be the GOAT if you level everyone weight wise to a GOAT discussion. The lack of grapplers on the top is a hard argument against him, because he arguably lost to Tibau and would have problems with Tony and Oliveira. The lack of styles and high level matches are to big against Khabib. I’m Brazilian and my fellow countryman Rickson have around 300 fights basically undefeated, but what about the level of his competition? That’s the most important criteria and the best competition is the competition that shows up when you’re on the biggest promotion in the world when you’re at the top, Khabib never payed his dues to be called the GOAT, his record is very weak if we look at the numbers of top guys he faced.
Yeah I agree about Khabib... Obviously COULD'VE been one of the GOATs but he just stopped way too soon compared to other guys that defended over and over.
@@IvanM272 THAT is something i didnt even think of, the STYLES of opponents, you make a reaaaally solid point there. i guess my gut of surprise khabib was in the discussion awhile ago is pretty justified
@@WideAwakeHuman cool name!
@@scienceworksinmysteriouswa9463 haha... Thanks, I fully support the message.
If I hear Kamaru Usman or GSP again I’ll just laugh nobody comes close to Chael P. Sonnen. Undefeated and undisputed, 5-0 in one night.
Fun fact, did you know Hendo (Chael's good friend & mentor) once beat Gilbert Yvel, Babalu Sobral and NOGUEIRA in one night to win a HW belt, making him the ONLY fighter in MMA history to have belts in 3 weight classes?
THE MORE YOU KNOW
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Who tf would put Khabob in the conversation with GSP? GSP has a much greater record and accomplishments than the king of cans. It's Jones and GSP
The goat conversation is actually very straight forward.
1. Uncle Chael
2. GSP
3. Jon Jones
4. Everyone Else
Jon jones * if it wasn't for the P.E.D. jones will be the GOAT UNDENIABLY.
So, Usman is the GOAT.
Facts my man
I feel like the only fair way to judge GOAT status is:
-how far ahead of your competition were you
-what did you accomplish while on top
Rather than popularity I would say “influence” and that’s because if you were training in MMA in 2008- ish you couldn’t wait to see GSP on UFC all access to see what new way Georges and his coaches were training and cooking up game plans.
Wow, amazing question in the beginning. Really well thought out.
Glad youtube recommended this, great show and discussion
I miss ufc tonight on Wednesdays with Florian. That was my show
Someone give that man a job, I loved the way that he asked that question and delivered it.
I find him so annoying
Greatest of all time is:
#1- Chael P Sonnen- Undesputed, undefeated never lost a single round or ever got hit.
#2- GSP
GSP is the goat no doubt , impact and fighting ability , could do everything , overcame adversity in his career , if gsp fought khabib or usman prime for prime I got GSP vs both of them not easily but he’ll win
Man MMA fans sound so dumb on this topic. Usman and Khabib destroyed their opponents. GSP beat FAR weaker opponents on points largely, and even picked up losses than Usman and Khabib never have come close to.
@@everydaffodil5344 lol Usman already has a submission loss to a guy without a wikipedia page, what the hell are you talking about? GSP avenged both losses proving he was better than the guys he lost to, i.e. those losses are meaningless. And Khabib, no surprise he went undefeated, 1) he only fought 4 dangerous fighters 2) fought nearly 20 guys with losing records 3) never fought a wrestler or strong grappler, only strikers who he had the style advantage over 4) He was a weight bully, killed himself to make 155 (missed THREE times and almost died one of those times) so he wouldn't have to fight at WW- his natural weight- where EVERY fighter was a strong grappler (Maia, Woodley, Covington, Burns, Usman, etc.) with better striking than Khabib.
@@julianmarx2002 well said...I swear the people that love to drink the Khabib coolaid....bunch of casuals
The debate about who the goat should end today with this quote. Khabib is 29-0 never lose a round what more there is to say.
*Gleison Tibau has entered the chat*
The guy at the beginning is great. Greatest of all time possibly
Running the light on that question.
12 rounds to 2. Hahahaha. If Chael says it’s 14 rounds…. It’s 14 Rounds!
We knew what me meant. Pipe down.
I'm not so uncertain that Khabib wouldn't have been a competitor even at welterweight. He's very big for lightweight and has incredible strength and power to complement his flawless ground game.
He fought at 170 before he was in ufc...he specifically chose 155 even though he almost dies making it lol put 2 + 2 together 🤷🏾♂️
Love fan questions
Uncle Chael can you talk bout the recent 1 v 5 beat down?
My fav guy Chael responds to
Chael is literally the best person to listen to
Guy at the beginning has a ton of charisma
I feel like champion chael is holding back on his 1v5 story because he knows we will jump at every video hoping for it. One more in the win column for the bad guy.
Or maybe it’s because the wimps are probably suing him and he can’t speak until it’s over
@@jdoggg211 true. Bet he wins that also.
We use it too much but in terms of goatish respect stepping up to Khamzat is the right move. Kamaru needs to get control of his kingdom by dealing with this usurper. He needs at some point to flex his champion privilege to call for that fight and end it. The sooner the more respect. Topping GSP coming back after all those years and taking the middleweight championship is going to be hard for anyone to beat though.
I think GSP set the bar with his Welterweight reign alone, but to come back and beat Bisping after having been retired for years only raised the bar even higher.
Khabib is not undefeated. He missed weight in a couple of his fights.
Chael greatest of all time for me is measured by how many fights you lost an came back from becoming champion again like Muhammad Ali an GSP battling back from losses
I wanna see Glenn on ESPN. He's one of us, and is always on point.
Man dude Randy couture was such a beast yo
im on board with khamzat being literally 4 fights away from usman/title. its a stacked stacked field
Stacked? Leon is pretty much the only person who could contend if there HAD to be a title fight. Even then, he already lost to usman and is still pretty much a free title defence for him. Burns already lost, masvidal already lost twice, colby lost twice, and luque already lost to leon.
Chael closing in on 1mil subs!
Khabib spent most of his career padding his record. His reign as champion was too short to place him in the GOAT status.
He became champion after he beat RDA in 2014 😈
Khabib spent time padding his record by cleaning out the greatest division in MMA history. Why are all the arguments I hear against Khabib being the GOAT so illogical you really convincing me he is the GOAT 😭
@@everydaffodil5344 Imagine thinking a champion who only had 3 title defenses should be considered the best of all time. Much logic bro
Who is hozmet?
Why does this guy always tell the truth 👍
masvidal is not a generation.. he's a cash grab. Only fights that are worthy towards goat status are the 2 colby fights
Yeah dude Colby and burns his only impressive wins
Yet, people felt Jorge would beat Usman, so thats why they fought: twice. Anyone body Dana thrown at him, got BEAT 20-1; Usman has 19 straight wins. That's impressive.
Let me offer you this, just how good is Glen Bell?
Thanks Chael! My thoughts on what it takes to be the GOAT were absolutely influenced by your words!
The Goat is Chuck Sonnen, sorry i meant Chael Norris
I love how Chael´s format is like talking to this imaginary Fabricio Werdum guy and instead of saying ¨¨Hold on brother I´m talking¨ to shut him up he just gives you this look and just continues talking and we continue listening to uncle Chael.
The Goat is gsp . I mean besides the great Chael P Sonnen ❤
DC is the GOAT
@@thefacelessquestion3333 lol only if GOAt stat decide on eyepokes
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Hahahhahahah
He learnt from the best,Jon Jones
Maybe instead of GOAT it should be GOTE Greatest of Their Era? Ali is frequently called the GOAT, but would Tyson Fury beat him? We will never know so there can be no conclusion to the debate, instead Ali should be called the greatest of his era. Floyd was the greatest of his era, Georges was the greatest of his era, Khabib was the greatest of his era, Usman appears to be etc etc.
I think the reason Charles Oliveira isn't getting the credit that he deserves right now is because the lightweight division has just started its new era, we wont know who the best is until it's over.
I CANT LET YOU GET CLOSE
Love how Uncle Chael nonchalantly keeps mispronouncing "Hazmat" instead of Khamzat, just like the American gangster that he is. Undefeated, undisputed.
It's actually the right pronunciation
That's the correct way to say it. He's Russian
The K is silent but I feel like you know that 😂
@@Babdelwahed no it isn't. it's hamzat or Ḫāmzat. not hazmat, the z is never in front of the m.
Chael is the GOAT of MMA analysis.
I like to imagine Chael only having one viewer. And that viewer is Glenn Bell
We talk about GOAT way too often. They are in different era and the sport evolved so much. We can talk GOAT once in a while. I feel GOAT conversation happens all the time and it is taken too seriously.
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WHERE IS THE VIDEO ABOUT YOUR MOST RECENT FIGHT CHAEL???
Usman is about as popular as a sweaty sock, especially compared to GSP, so he has to do much more work to overcome that
Almost all of usman’s ppv fights were bigger than any of gsp’s. During the height of George’s career he was never P4P while no one today even remotely matches usman’s P4P ranking
@@colombia197 Thanks for the ignorance, but nobody is buying PPVs because of Usman. UFC is hot right now, so Dana is building the brand, and selling way more tickets than Usman ever has. Don't be a fool and think Usman is packing the house.
You can't compare the popularity of the UFC today to when GSP fought. Or the popularity of GSP and Usman. there is no comparison, so smarten up. Don't be a mark.
@@InvestBetter. yea so we now are just supposed to ignore the fact he sold more ppv than everyone but Conor. Okay pal👍🏽 yk it’s illegal to ride dick with no license?
You just hating . Keep that energy. Usman is popular in UFC. Those who love Masvidal and Colby can't deny knowing the welterweight king from 🇳🇬 🇳🇬 Nigeria. Continue crying till you make a river 😭😭🏊♀️🏊♂️🚣♀️🚣♀️🚣♂️
@@RB-cool00701 Is spittin the truth is hatin, whatever. I like Usman, but he doesn't sell tickets. Deal with it.
The problem with the GOAT convo is that the sport is constantly evolving and using defenses as a yardstick just makes the entire discussion a trophy competition. Imo Khabib snd Usman's title defenses (despite being fewer) hold more weight than GSP or BJ Penss because of the quality of competition they faced
The quality of competition is relative to the time they were fighting. George was always fighting the best, period.
Not many people talking about the weight difference. Modern fighters are much bigger compared to guys back then.
This way of thinking doesn’t make any sense....cause you could take the 20th ranked fighter from any division today, and if you went back say 10-15 years, they would be the champion because their skills & the sport itself are more refined than the fighters / sport were back then. So would that make this 20th ranked fighter a “greater” fighter than all the champions of yesteryear?
quality of competition with gsp was high he was fighting PRE usada with roided monsters
Nah not really. GSP beat guys on 15 and 16 winstreaks, guys who were former world champions in the UFC and strikeforce with multiple wins over legends. Usmans only opponent to have crazy wins like that was woodley
Spider needs to be on this Mt Rushmore
GSP’s competition was slightly better save Colby. GSP also came back and RNC a dominant middleweight champion. If Kamaru becomes double champ that will change things, and if he beats Khamzat.
Did you just call BISPING a dominate champ. He almost lost to a 90 year old hendo
"slightly better" is an understatement tbh. GSP's opponents have a far higher win/loss differential than the title defense opponents of any other UFC champion in history.
Matt Serra retired with an 11-7 record dude
@@GoodStuff1992 anecdotal evidence lol
@@loismylane wrong context. It is an objective fact that serra was 11-7. Thats like usman losing his belt to hap ho nguyen
The GOAT is clearly Sonnen.after that its Sonnen again.and maybe if Sonnen doesn't get 3rd place its GSP.Followed by Sonnen,then Sonnen and maybe Khabib
How can anyone not like Chael?
Sonnen is the best commentator on you tube.
Can we get the hotel story
Chael is the goat of all time. As far as fighter promoter and podcast plus he's humble and family oriented. Absolutely a great role model for us.
I agree with the sentiment. But did you mean to call Chael the greatest of all time, of all time?
Why does Usman have to beat all of his challengers CONVINCINGLY ?
GSP only won his fights by points/decisions .
The goalpost will continue to move when it comes to Kamaru Usman moving up the ladder
Because people are clouded by their hatred towards Usman. It’s already starting now with people speculating that he’s going to retire because he’s “afraid” of Khamzat. Didn’t GSP do the same thing ducking the fight with Anderson?? His trainer literally confirmed
@@averagegoslingenthusiast2033 ...You are very accurate with that assessment.
These people ( Gsp fanatics & Usman haters) won't answer any of your questions with logic. They'll get emotional or disregard it altogether.
More importantly, its amazing the narrative people paint about Mr Chael P(for precision) Sonnen. The videos and photos people have doctored showing him losing, or even winning by points is laughable. Clearly trying to discredit his dominance. He was the most dominant, undisputed 🐐 to ever grace the octagon. I mean come on, literally never ever lost a single round. Nobody has even came close. Undeniable Demigod of MMA, and no casual can say otherwise.
I don't even get this GOAT discussion. It's pointless. They never went head to head in their prime, they have two very different styles of fighting... And how do you even want to put the bar of 'of all time' when all of time will never end?
Jones still the goat, and it's just a damn shame.
I remember when Roman "Chocolatito" Gonzalez was the #1 p4p according to The Ring, right after Floyd retired.
And he was co-main to GGG who was in the top 5.
I saw GSP fight Johnny Hendricks, he got his hand raised that night, but he did not win that fight.
GSP won rounds 3 and 5, and round 1 was a 10-10 round that could go either way; either a draw or an SD for GSP is a totally fair outcome, its not like Hendricks was robbed. Also, GSP was the only fighter who was tested in that fight, Hendricks was a very obvious juice-head
“Greatness” is a hard argument. I think it’s a combination of accomplishment, skill and aura (or as Uncle Chael says, popularity”)
When I think of basketball, Lebron MIGHT be the “best” player of all time, but he will never be the greatest because of the accomplishment and aura surrounding jordan. More championships and more stardom pushes Jordan ahead.
With MMA, Khabib probably is the best martial artist, or most dominant as we have seen in his fights, but his 29-0 record is not the most impressive. He definitely could beat GSP, but GSP has a better accolades. I’d say they’re aura’s are pretty equal as fighters.
GOAT Mixed Martial Artist is hard to judge because the sport is so new, there are so many divisions and it can be so random. Is GSP’s loss to Matt Hughes as important as Khabibs win over Iaquinta?
I think we should also factor in improvements as well, a fighter could well start off bad and slowly improve over the course of his career to become a goat. So the margin of improvement is important. EX:Charles Olivera (not calling him a goat, just using his career as an example of a fighter who vastly improved )
Why is Glenn always the guy who gets to ask the questions? He’s Chael’s John Morgan
1A. Rush
1B. Spider
1C. Bones
4. Mighty Mouse
5. DC
6. Lioness
7. Aldo
8. Bullet
Chimaev has 4 fights and is in the GOAT conversation? Huge fan but that's absurd
I don’t think they acc mean that
Ong the popularity contest is kinda important. That’s why chael is the GOAT. Cuz he the most popular!! Chael da CHIVO
I prefer de terms legendary. Theirs can be many of them. Then you can choose a GOAT in between legend.
Can’t believe Chael acting as if that didn’t happen and everyone’s supposed to be like YEAH COOL
Artem and Chael.
The top of the top.
Usman is the third best welterweight of all time behind GSP and Matt Hughes
Matt Hughes is 2nd, right? Lol
Andy Garza of course, GSP is far and away the best welterweight
@@AKIXJA ok just making sure 😂😂
Andy Garza do you have Usman over Hughes or same order?
@@AKIXJA same order man. I was a fan of Hughes. He was the reigning champ when I was first becoming a fan of ufc. Some of his earlier fights before championship were some of my highlights of my early ufc fandom. Good times. An epic era. But what George did was incredible. Only man I think to ever get back his losses in dominant fashion
Chael, you said that promoter from Brooklyn coined the 0hrase pound for pound before. Not goat
1v5 unscratched more goaty
Chael is right, Big John has never lead us astray. Josh Thompson though? Bro bro be big trippin’.
There's only one stat that can be used to measure all fighters across all weight classes equally: WINS.
Who won the most fights?
Did they win a title? If so, how many times did they successfully defend that title?
There's still going to be debate. But forget styles, dominance, etc.
All that matters is winning.
It's not just wins, but the quality of wins. Sugar Ray Leonard in boxing has several wins over all time greats (Hearns, Duran, Benitez, Hagler), but overall, has far less wins than say Julio Caesar Chavez,. JCC never beat another all time great, with maybe Edwin Rosario and Meldrick Taylor being his best wins,, and neither were all time greats, just very good fighters. That's why I believe Ray Leonard is the greater boxer of all time.
I agree we use the phrase GOAT TOO MUCH
It's always someone vs GSP... one consistent variable, that's our answer.
The GOAT is whoever is talked about the most
Finally! I've been saying this for years now , this generation uses the term goat too loosely especially when these fighters are still in their careers and aren't done fighting yet . the term goat is nothing more than a pop culture phrase that the casual kiddies love to use. Someone has a great game a great knockout and people shout GOAT !
STOP !! STOP CALLING EVERYONE WHOS THE FLAVOR OF THE MONTH THE GOAT!!
It's DUMB! These are still in their careers ! Look at Amanda Nunez for God's sake she was FINISHED in her last fight she could lose the rematch too all the while she's been labeled the greatest ever lmao . *sigh, I hate this generation.
Amanda Nunes is the goat of women’s mma, no other women has accomplished what she has accomplished. Getting finished didn’t make all of her past accomplishments disappear.
Amanda is the goat women’s fighter lol I don’t think anyone’s called her the goat fighter including mens
I know. I've been guilty of it too at times. I think nowadays it's like saying what ones favorite band is. There are so many great fighters. Very well said my friend.
Niko Price is the goat
A thought to ponder. GSP V Khabib was more than just talk for a moment as in GSP basically was on board but we've never heard a peep about him possibly fighting Usman. I have to believe Usman would sign that fight Contract very fast an his manager has worked w GSP.
I *believe* the reason for that was because beating Khabib would make him the first 3-belt champ. Islam would just be another Welterweight title.
@@nickstacey3066 I don't follow your answer as to how it responds to my statement. What am I missing? I'm not the smartest guy in the world? Being sincere though not breaking balls?
That is why there are many “GOATS”. But it is by era.
Sorry . But GSP is not only the welterweight great, pound for pound with that skill set his heart and wrestling prowess is unmatched
When u beat 5 n one night than we will put Usman or Gsp or khabib n Goat conversation
Chael: Everybody likes Kamaru Usman
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Oh my goodness. Another new video?! Just in time for my late night 💩 ritual.
He needs to beat Izzy to pass GSP
Usman is still behind Hughes by quite a bit check out the fight matrix stats if you think thats crazy
Bullshit. He's arguably surpassed GSP in many people's opinion. The fact that anyone saying Matt Hughes is around or over him is just disrespectful.
Look at his resume. He's only fought the best of the best. GSP alos got finished twice in his prime. Usman is just wrecking people. He's finished everyone he's defended his title against
Era is a big factor. For example I am 42, when I was 38 I completed 64 pull ups in 1 minute @ 232. 15-20 years prior I would have been a world record holder. Same with weighted pull ups, I would have had it all 20 years ago, today it’s just good.
Chael = GOAT
Fun fact - Anthony Joshua earns more in just one fight than - Kamaru Usman, Jon Jones, George’s St Pierre, Khabib and Anderson Silva have earned in their entire UFC careers (combined). And yet Dana claims fighter pay is fair…
How’d the guys on his undercard do payment wise? Completely different business models bro.
@@Fash0da Katie Taylor earned $424,000 fighting on the Anthony Joshua undercard.
@@jamesbennett3791 One fighter, no source.
GOAT as a title is aall about legacy and you cannot judge someone's legacy in real time as they're building it.
man... that fuckin guy...
That's right, if a fighter is not liked, they can't grow their career, because they get little or no good fights, because the fans doesn't want to see them fight.
Wasn't Sage Northcutt considered too young when he lost but had the age advantage?