I thought about installing my dad's myself because the graveyard is taking forever. Paid them $670.00 for installment they only got a hole dug with wooden markers..been a month and (3) 70 degree dys each wk no rain..they refuse saying they aren't mixing cement just for 1 headstone
My relatives headstone started leaning after 45 years. Had to have the foundation completely redone. It was not cheap. Now I see why. Bigger job then I imagined.
You don’t use y12 rio bar in ur wholes ? And f8 trench mesh, and no sand and screenings, just concrete and water, America does it heaps different (also why not use an hand borer, makes the holes nice and around 6 inches big much easier to bore ur holes that way)
@@TomO-if7nh unless you have someone in the cemetery trying to topple the headstone the answer is NO…… The headstone is attached to the base with a sealer that also acts like a suction. I can assure you from many years experience it is virtually impossible to remove the headstone from the base without the proper equipment.
@@Goodboy0953 I work for a monument company in Missouri and the man that I work with that taught me what I know uses an old beat up standard head screwdriver and a mallet to undo the suction lol
hello, need some help on how to push the dirt down so it compacted, see my auntie passed and the soil in her grave hasnt sunken yet and its been a year, any help?
This is merely a suggestion, but take a shovel & move the soil from end to end, squaring it up & making it look good. When I was the sexton of a 80 acre cemetery 3 decades ago, I waited about a year before attempting this, so the ground could naturally settle but if you want to put sod or smooth it out now to plant grass seed, that too can be done. Its also possible, that the soil was mounded up & some needs to be removed, in that case, if that is the issue, remove it to ground level & you may need to contact the cemetery grounds staff or sexton before attempting this.
I would add from my experience working with a monument company, instead of digging the hole so deep and long just get some post hole diggers and put 2-3 post of concrete down to stabilize it. It will help cut down on all that concrete
If the rest of the ground moves while one part doesn't......well you know what's going to happen. There's only two choices, either dig it all below the frost line...or don't. In northern areas that have a 4 foot or more frost line, they just have to settle for not having a deep foundation. Of course over several decades, gravestones start leaning in one way or another.
@@CougarLandWe’ve started digging foundations actually shallower depending on size of the monument. Maybe 10-12 inches maybe 20, fill with a packing stone and then pour your base on top of that. If the ground ever settles or stone is leaning, you can take it off, adjust, and put it back on. A lot easier than digging up 3 foot of concrete block. Don’t understand why this is still common practice to dig so deep. The more ground you disrupt, the more likely it is ground around it to move.
You sure made it a tougher job on the person who has to cut the grass by putting the ground/grass right up against the base stone. One of the purposes of the foundation is to put it level with the ground so mowers can cut around it easily and not damage the grave with things like weed trimmers and the mower itself.
We were able to have a bigger base stone for our sons gravestone. Mainly because we were told that we could put things on the base and that they would be protected a bit more
Despite being more work to trim around, I think it looks much nicer without the exposed concrete around monuments. If it’s a small cemetery or there are issues keeping it maintained, it makes sense why you would want oversized foundations. But that concrete doesn’t look nice and fresh when it gets old. Especially if the family would like to plant flowers in front of the monument.
truck crane is nice but you can't always be able to drive it in. what then? we would dolly the memorial in. takes knowledge and muscle but i know a dude who could do most of them himself. of course it's smarter to have a second person but hes hard headed. still nicely done, do you also engrave the memorial? one of the best jobs I've ever had, learned so much.
This is common practice when a husband or wife passes away before their spouse. I'm guessing more common for older people / empty nesters. Probably not common for someone likely to remarry...? That could be awkward.
Instead of one guy pulling on a head stone like that waiting for the other guy to put in the putty, use shims and a crowbar. Less movement on the stone too.
The man in the video will be next in the grave at an early age if he keeps doing this shit with no face mask! He will have some dummy doing the same thing for him wearing no mask, and on and on it goes. Funeral/graveyard shit is good business.
As the guy that trims around 800 markers in a local cemetery, I really wish NOTHING grew within 2 inches of that marker. String trimming 800 markers AFTER mowing the entire place is some serious walking. Oddly, at 58, I prefer working in Cemeteries since they are far more challenging than cutting empty lots. What DID I do for a real living? Software Design Engineer. Free at last from the boring desk job... Sad story: My boss is a master of hitting stones with the mower blade and backing into them, tipping them over. He hates the place and I'm trying my best to STEAL the contract from him, mainly due to his neglect and damage. Mowing and trimming are both done early in the morning when the grass has enough turgor and moisture content to make the cut easier. After the Florida sun has cooked that grass, it will just lay over, and not cut properly. Afterwards, I strap on a huge leave blower and grab a garbage picker stick so I can put things back on the marker after accidentally blowing them off. I HATE ALL THE TRINKETS people leave on the markers. Wind knocks them over and they break, THEN I gotta pick up this !!!! mess, or my boss will grind it up and throw glass everywhere. All done. Mr. Brown North Central Florida
As a grieving parent, I apologize for those 'trinkets' that make your job so much harder... I truly wish that I didn't have to leave trinkets on my childs gravestone. I would so much prefer to be able to have given them to him in person these last 10 years, but that option was taken from me. Also, sorry that you seem to feel that those 'trinkets' are there only to make your life/job so much harder. Hopefully you don't have to experience leaving trinkets to your loved ones
Leaving trinkets on a loved one's gravestone is for the benefit of the one leaving trinkets. It does nothing for the loved one that passed. Keep their memory alive by doing good/kind deeds for someone living, in memory of the deceased loved one.
The actual grave is too far from the headstone. . Why do ya'll do it like that? They don't do that here in Arkansas. . The middle of the headstone is directly in the middle of the 2 graves (husband/wife). If it's just one person, then the head stone is centered. . . . Missouri is dumb
That is so much unnecessary work. Especially 20 yrs down the road when the next guy has to come level your 3 foot thick foundation. All you need is an 18 × 48 ×3 concrete prefab or granite foundation
@brandon18054 I made headstones in Winnipeg for 10 years. Uprights always went on a pre fab concrete foundation on a 4 inch thick granite foundation. In the last 20 yrs I've made and installed over 10,000 uprights and guess what? They are all still standing.
This is what cemeteries want 1k for. Meaning this amount of ground work not the stone? Two people and not even a full day of ground work for 1k. Jackasses
I use to work for Brown Memorial in Florence, SC. a long time ago and it’s cool to see installation hasn’t changed in 45 years.
After watching this I have decided not to install my father's headstone myself. It's best left to the professionals. Thank you for posting.
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Gosh I'm installing my mum's headstone tomorrow wish me luck.
@@kristinreign8026 good luck…. And have patience. 👍. Sorry about your mom
I thought about installing my dad's myself because the graveyard is taking forever. Paid them $670.00 for installment they only got a hole dug with wooden markers..been a month and (3) 70 degree dys each wk no rain..they refuse saying they aren't mixing cement just for 1 headstone
All is done saved me hundreds of dollars I spent $100 installation of a headstone.
My relatives headstone started leaning after 45 years. Had to have the foundation completely redone. It was not cheap. Now I see why. Bigger job then I imagined.
Yeah plus them having to remove the old foundation around your relatives memorial.
All the comments from arm chair monument setters. Great job , hard work, looks terrific. Monumental Designs Paducah
Very interesting. Thank you for sharing.
You don’t use y12 rio bar in ur wholes ? And f8 trench mesh, and no sand and screenings, just concrete and water, America does it heaps different (also why not use an hand borer, makes the holes nice and around 6 inches big much easier to bore ur holes that way)
How do y’all move the stones if you can’t get to them with the truck?
A handtruck
My neck of the woods they wait until April and just order 10 yd from our local ready mix concrete supplier and do everything from winter.
The correct way to do it. A yard of concrete literally weighs over a ton, so imagine mixing all that material by hand
Thank you for helping reinforce my decision for cremation. Burial is very antiquated and a complete waste of money.
You’ll pay almost just as much at the funeral home.
Thank you so much for this !
why do you place pennies underneath? Wouldn't stone to stone contact be best?
The sell a hand held tamper-compactor at Home Depot it cost about $19.95
How many bags of concrete does that take ?
how deep is the concrete from the surface?
Looks 6 feet to me
Three feet. He said they dig two feet with the shovel and another foot with the post hole digger. Go to 1:00 minute in the video and he talks about it
We do our foundations a spade length deep with post holes that go beneath the frost level
Is the base connected to all that concrete? And if so, how? I just saw you put the base on top.
No in this install we just set the monument Base on top of concrete ,you can use sealer if you like
Thanks for the reply. Couldn't the headstone just topple over? Honestly curious since I'm getting one for my cousin.
@@TomO-if7nh unless you have someone in the cemetery trying to topple the headstone the answer is NO…… The headstone is attached to the base with a sealer that also acts like a suction. I can assure you from many years experience it is virtually impossible to remove the headstone from the base without the proper equipment.
@@Goodboy0953 ...He was actually asking about how the base was attached to the concrete foundation. I'm curious about this as well.
@@Goodboy0953 I work for a monument company in Missouri and the man that I work with that taught me what I know uses an old beat up standard head screwdriver and a mallet to undo the suction lol
Nice job
hello, need some help on how to push the dirt down so it compacted, see my auntie passed and the soil in her grave hasnt sunken yet and its been a year, any help?
This is merely a suggestion, but take a shovel & move the soil from end to end, squaring it up & making it look good. When I was the sexton of a 80 acre cemetery 3 decades ago, I waited about a year before attempting this, so the ground could naturally settle but if you want to put sod or smooth it out now to plant grass seed, that too can be done. Its also possible, that the soil was mounded up & some needs to be removed, in that case, if that is the issue, remove it to ground level & you may need to contact the cemetery grounds staff or sexton before attempting this.
In America you place the monument not in front of the grave but beside it?
Cement will crack and and heave because of Winter Weather.
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I would add from my experience working with a monument company, instead of digging the hole so deep and long just get some post hole diggers and put 2-3 post of concrete down to stabilize it. It will help cut down on all that concrete
If the rest of the ground moves while one part doesn't......well you know what's going to happen. There's only two choices, either dig it all below the frost line...or don't. In northern areas that have a 4 foot or more frost line, they just have to settle for not having a deep foundation. Of course over several decades, gravestones start leaning in one way or another.
@@CougarLandWe’ve started digging foundations actually shallower depending on size of the monument. Maybe 10-12 inches maybe 20, fill with a packing stone and then pour your base on top of that. If the ground ever settles or stone is leaning, you can take it off, adjust, and put it back on. A lot easier than digging up 3 foot of concrete block. Don’t understand why this is still common practice to dig so deep. The more ground you disrupt, the more likely it is ground around it to move.
Why do headstones end up leaning?
They're heavy and the ground is soft and settles unevenly.
how many bags of QuickCrete did you use?>
Is it possible to do it without the base? If the stone is big enough and just cement it in the grount?
It is but not recommended
Check with the cemetery. Each one has different requirements.
i work in a cemetery need some advice
do I take the pennies out ...why r penniesx4 there?
@@louienoble4179 This prevents the stone from sliding off. Helps hold it in place. Also allows for more compound to get a better seal.
@@louienoble4179 So no dont remove the pennies
You sure made it a tougher job on the person who has to cut the grass by putting the ground/grass right up against the base stone. One of the purposes of the foundation is to put it level with the ground so mowers can cut around it easily and not damage the grave with things like weed trimmers and the mower itself.
We were able to have a bigger base stone for our sons gravestone. Mainly because we were told that we could put things on the base and that they would be protected a bit more
Despite being more work to trim around, I think it looks much nicer without the exposed concrete around monuments. If it’s a small cemetery or there are issues keeping it maintained, it makes sense why you would want oversized foundations. But that concrete doesn’t look nice and fresh when it gets old. Especially if the family would like to plant flowers in front of the monument.
Use a granite slab for the foundation then have 3-4" border. It makes no sense to dig down and use concrete the fill the hole with dirt.@@brandon18054
Damn! Is he making a headstone or putting a coffin in? That's a deep hole
I love in East Tennessee and my local cemetery requires it to be 3 ft deep as well. Who knew!
@@deanna777 I wanna love in east Tennessee
@@jonburrows2684 bah ha ha ha ha!!!!! It can be fun
@@deanna777 hawwww! Do tell! And where's my invite?
@@jonburrows2684 Dude, #1 your dead. #2 you had enough lovin' in TN for all of us!!!
That's so stupid to go down 3 feet
truck crane is nice but you can't always be able to drive it in. what then? we would dolly the memorial in. takes knowledge and muscle but i know a dude who could do most of them himself. of course it's smarter to have a second person but hes hard headed. still nicely done, do you also engrave the memorial? one of the best jobs I've ever had, learned so much.
Same here, I miss my monument days.
Yeah, this company has a setting dolly to walk it in as well, just not demonstrated in this video.
That is a lot of cement
That's an easy stone to sling
You didn't even center the dye
Mixing concrete in a 3foot hole with a wheelbarrow in frame...work smarter not harder.
Better to install an evergreen plant instead of the headstone.
in nj the cemetery digs foundation monument dealers would not waste there time
Yes ok
What did you need to know
No steel in the foundation no dowls from headstone to base cowboys
The concrete alone has enough tensile strength for the application. We’re not building a skyscraper here
No blasting Caps Hummer H2 blocker
So I guess Verna is still alive but her grave stone is waiting for her?
This is common practice when a husband or wife passes away before their spouse. I'm guessing more common for older people / empty nesters. Probably not common for someone likely to remarry...? That could be awkward.
Married 60 years wow
Instead of one guy pulling on a head stone like that waiting for the other guy to put in the putty, use shims and a crowbar. Less movement on the stone too.
l love monument headstones
Pour Verna and Donald..
The man in the video will be next in the grave at an early age if he keeps doing this shit with no face mask! He will have some dummy doing the same thing for him wearing no mask, and on and on it goes. Funeral/graveyard shit is good business.
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As the guy that trims around 800 markers in a local cemetery, I really wish NOTHING
grew within 2 inches of that marker. String trimming 800 markers AFTER mowing
the entire place is some serious walking. Oddly, at 58, I prefer working in
Cemeteries since they are far more challenging than cutting empty lots.
What DID I do for a real living? Software Design Engineer.
Free at last from the boring desk job...
Sad story:
My boss is a master of hitting stones with the mower blade and backing into them,
tipping them over. He hates the place and I'm trying my best to STEAL the
contract from him, mainly due to his neglect and damage.
Mowing and trimming are both done early in the morning when the grass
has enough turgor and moisture content to make the cut easier. After
the Florida sun has cooked that grass, it will just lay over, and not cut properly.
Afterwards, I strap on a huge leave blower and grab a garbage picker stick
so I can put things back on the marker after accidentally blowing them off.
I HATE ALL THE TRINKETS people leave on the markers. Wind knocks them
over and they break, THEN I gotta pick up this !!!! mess, or my boss will
grind it up and throw glass everywhere.
All done.
Mr. Brown
North Central Florida
We have a cemetery near me that requires 4" around every stone to be concrete for their lawn crew.
As a grieving parent, I apologize for those 'trinkets' that make your job so much harder...
I truly wish that I didn't have to leave trinkets on my childs gravestone. I would so much prefer to be able to have given them to him in person these last 10 years, but that option was taken from me.
Also, sorry that you seem to feel that those 'trinkets' are there only to make your life/job so much harder. Hopefully you don't have to experience leaving trinkets to your loved ones
Leaving trinkets on a loved one's gravestone is for the benefit of the one leaving trinkets. It does nothing for the loved one that passed. Keep their memory alive by doing good/kind deeds for someone living, in memory of the deceased loved one.
The actual grave is too far from the headstone. . Why do ya'll do it like that? They don't do that here in Arkansas. . The middle of the headstone is directly in the middle of the 2 graves (husband/wife). If it's just one person, then the head stone is centered. . . . Missouri is dumb
Just to think that in whatever many years I will have strangers digging my grave and then digging into it and walking over me to put a headstone down.
Not if you're cremated. :-)
That is so much unnecessary work. Especially 20 yrs down the road when the next guy has to come level your 3 foot thick foundation. All you need is an 18 × 48 ×3 concrete prefab or granite foundation
3” of concrete to support a stone that may weigh 1000-2000 pounds, in an area that encounters frost in the winter? That’s absolutely stupid thinking
@brandon18054 I made headstones in Winnipeg for 10 years. Uprights always went on a pre fab concrete foundation on a 4 inch thick granite foundation. In the last 20 yrs I've made and installed over 10,000 uprights and guess what? They are all still standing.
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sloppy video...
This is what cemeteries want 1k for. Meaning this amount of ground work not the stone? Two people and not even a full day of ground work for 1k. Jackasses
I bet you’d give up after an hour digging by hand with a shovel. You clearly have no idea what it takes to run and maintain a cemetery