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Solid state electrolyte don't increase density Sam. Changing the anode to lithium metal increases density. Changing the cathode to lithium sulfide does as well. Sulfide SSB are not lithium sulfide, they use sulfide in the electrolyte material. This is why gotions first SSB doesn't have a density increase. First they make them safer by making SSB then they will make them more dense with lithium metal.
Indeed, the Huawei press release outlines the patented aporoach is seeking to optimise durability, safety and power density rather than energy density.
I will shortly be looking up Huawei's press release but my impression was that solid state cell design offers a chance to rack up weight savings from all aspects of cell implementation, not just electolytes but also electrodes, current collectors and separators (at the cost of being stuck with the limitations of a pouch only cells). Each cell sub-component weight saving, whatever its basis, holds the promise of lifting cell energy density.
@@chris27gea58 - Huawei's battery is still Li-ionbbased but with the electrolyte replaced wuth a crystaline sulphide solid.Its not modifying the anode/cathode to improve energy density, rather focussed on safety and charge transportation within the cell.
Jai Hind. in contrast, all the richest billionaires led by the Elong had gained at least another 1 trillion in total with the super-Bull market rally after the Trumpet victory.
It is easy to dismiss news like that, but those are big. We are actually seeing big players investing in SSB, not just your typical start-up with 98% failure rate.
Whats interesting is Huawei was probably investigting batteries for phones when it first came up with this. To shift the tech to EV some physicist or engineer probably did the math and realized it was potentially great for EV use.
Potentially not, the Huawei sulphide approach seems EV specific and increases the volume of a battery of Lithium Ion battery, this addresses issues with stability, durability and power density (charge/discharge rate) rather than energy density. This approach differs to Li-S designs have been on and off since the 1960s, well before mobile phones were a thing, with electrification of vehicles being one of the original goals. The Huawei approach is seeking to optimise the performance of Li-Ion batteries, rather than the use of sulphide in solid state Li-S design that seek to prevent Lithium anode swelling associated with solid state designs. Additionally, improvements in Li-S cycle durability, which has been the big stumbling block for Li-S commercialisation, has been driven by EVs; as EVs represent an easier target to achieve compared to the smaller batteries in mobiles that cycle much more frequently so require high durability batteries. The same is true of the Huawei solid sulphide electrolyte approach that seeks to address safety, durability and power density of Li-Ion batteries at levels suited to EVs (10s of years lifespan) rather than mobile charge patterns (3 to 10 year lifespand). Interestingly, Sony were going to launch a range of solid state Li-S for mobiles in 2015 but to date it still hasn't materialised. One reason being that Li-S pouch designs are a little too thick for modern phone designs, as the size of phones have optimised around the advances in Li-ion/poly resulting in extremely thin designs (with sufficient operating duration). A shift to mobiles using Li-S would equate to a thicker phone albeit with longer battery life, however, comercially it's not clear if the trade off for size vs operating duration is one an average consumer would seek.
@@GruffSillyGoat You make a lot of great points but they do not dismiss smartphone manufacturers want higher density batteries and research is research. Provided the physics works out, solid state is probably inevitable for most battery tech down the road, including phones, due to a theoretically higher energy density (assuming issues like charge times, durability, and price are solved too of course) Many companies involved in battery technology research solid state today no matter what their particular application. Smartphone manufacturer Samsung would be another example of this. Of course, if some company stumbles upon tech that can be repurposed for another industry than their own they will take advantage of it. IMO in most instances probably through licensing rather than building their own factories when its a technology for use outside of their particular sector (depending on how advanced their new tech is relative to competitors)
My prediction has been at least 3 new battery types in production each year for the next decade. Not all of those will be for cars but they will happen.
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Huawei is the greatest example of technical leadership dynamic in intelkectual otiginalty than entire, ivy league, oxford Cambridge, London and mit, consider no finance?
More great news!! EVERY major battery manufacturer are developing high-efficiency solid-state batteries that will put NMC and LFP in the history books soon. Once we start seeing solid-state batts. in EV's with ranges of ~500 miles and ~10-min. charge times, that will be the day we'll see the end of ICE, but not until then as most people still won't accept ~300 miles and 20-40 min. charge times. I only own EV's so I'm fine, but will quickly sell them for solid-state batt. EV's.
U.S. government hates Huawei because they are too successful .... when you can't compete, you turn into a bitter Tanya Harding and try to injure the competition.😂
Because a normal solar panel produces around 200 Wh for the area of the roof. Which means the average EV (60 kWh) would need two weeks of active 200 Wh charging. Given that the sun does not shine at night, it would take a whole month (with 0 cloudy days) to get a single charge. Hence, having a solar roof is not practical.
Ev car setbacks are the batteries, There is only one way to solve all battery related issues, life span, grid problems, battery health, fast charge times only work in perfect conditions. Ready to hear the Solution......Battery Swapping under 3 minutes period
@mikemalone9678 for example 80% Nio car owners use battery swap, every battery is tested before a swap, if there is a battery issues they can't use the battery till it's serviced.
@@devilious123 But what does "tested" mean? It means whatever the corporation wants it to mean. I could be getting a battery that can hold no more than 80% charge, or even less. And how do they charge you for the replacement battery? Do they charge you for what *they* say is the range of that battery? Do they credit you for the range remaining in the battery removed? No thanks. I'll stick to charging my own battery.
If a battery looks more like a standard pack or cell than a computer CPU then it isn't solid; it still has liquid. Solid state has the same meaning as it has in computer chips - hard; layers. no liquid at all. The term solid state is being abused to include batteries w reduced liquid chemistry; those are not solid.
Every over priced Ev made today will bleed value going forward just as an early expensive computer was as the tech quickly evolved. Later adopters benefit as the tech matures and gets cheaper.
When you can charge a battery from 10% to 100% in 5 minutes and when charging stations roughly equal in number to gas stations is when I'll shop for an EV.
I have never charged up our model y at a fast charger. We just charge in the garage overnight once a week. It is much more convenient and cheaper to run than My ICE truck. I don’t think we need that many charging stations.
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If you have fast charging cars you need massive current connected , what countries grid will be able to handle millions of EVs in the next 10 years, only small countries have any hope. the UK for ex has cables underground to houses, this would take the worlds entire supply of copper wire, are you going to dig up every street in the UK in the next decade at a cost of trillions. It is a complete no brainer.
The UK's National Grid has stated the infrastructure to individual homes isn't an issue, except for the odd remaining locations that still have electric supply cables hoping from house to house that limit supply to 60 amps or under (100 amps being more typical for modern homes built in the last 30 years). Even those with looped supplies, a home owner can ask the local DNO for an upgrade at no charge to them. From a nation wide perspective, the additional capacity even if all UK cars on the road were electric, is in the order of 2GW daily for the whole country (source NG and Carbon Brief). There is sufficient capacity in the transmission network for this, which is operating 40GW below it's 80GW peak back in 2005/6. One limitation isn't the capacity to a given house, i.e. the individual copper runs, but the capacity in particular areas supplying many houses and whether this is sized for EV charging in that overall area. That is whether the substations are sized for the expected load with EV charging. However, one of the focusses with V2H/V2G is in part to create localised load sharing between homes, trials have been operated to assest the ability for such approaches to mitigate localised capacity constraints in the impacted areas.
@@GruffSillyGoat The problem is they say you will be able to fast charge in the not to distant future, for this you will need a 70kw charger or higher . All so you will need charging stations in the surface of the road as most people cannot charge by there house or flat , so a few million chargers will be required and the roads dug up and thousands of miles of cables run . If there is so much spare Capacity in the grid why do they keep saying we could have power cuts if there is a problem in winter.
@@thetruthseeker9407 - perhaps those claiming these points are making stuff up or have an agenda behind these statements. No manufactures have made such statements, nor has the national grid.
Here we go again. Where is your coverage of Hondas solid state battery? And their plant in Japan? Come on Sam get with it and cover something other than the Chinese BS you spout.
@@CrzyD-cv8xzand you think China is doing it? All we hear from same is speculation and speculation. No real proof. Honda at least has a demonstration line up and running at their Sakura City facility, unlike the Chinese that have stock photos and no real footage that Sam likes to cut and copy and repeat
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CATL will probably be first to market but this is a solid validation of the Sulfide approach. Good work Viking.
Solid state electrolyte don't increase density Sam. Changing the anode to lithium metal increases density. Changing the cathode to lithium sulfide does as well. Sulfide SSB are not lithium sulfide, they use sulfide in the electrolyte material. This is why gotions first SSB doesn't have a density increase. First they make them safer by making SSB then they will make them more dense with lithium metal.
Indeed, the Huawei press release outlines the patented aporoach is seeking to optimise durability, safety and power density rather than energy density.
I will shortly be looking up Huawei's press release but my impression was that solid state cell design offers a chance to rack up weight savings from all aspects of cell implementation, not just electolytes but also electrodes, current collectors and separators (at the cost of being stuck with the limitations of a pouch only cells).
Each cell sub-component weight saving, whatever its basis, holds the promise of lifting cell energy density.
@@chris27gea58 - Huawei's battery is still Li-ionbbased but with the electrolyte replaced wuth a crystaline sulphide solid.Its not modifying the anode/cathode to improve energy density, rather focussed on safety and charge transportation within the cell.
Huawei is the greatest company 🎉🎉🎉
Huawei is also a worker owned co-operative not the point but very impressive.
Jai Hind. in contrast, all the richest billionaires led by the Elong had gained at least another 1 trillion in total with the super-Bull market rally after the Trumpet victory.
I'm going to watch Newcastle play football on Saturday and that's about 2 hours south as well. Going in my MG4 powered by solar electrons.
It is easy to dismiss news like that, but those are big. We are actually seeing big players investing in SSB, not just your typical start-up with 98% failure rate.
THIS IS A GAME CHANGER!!!!
no way!!!!!!!
2000 mile range from a battery the size of a phone and a 30 Yr life !
Whats interesting is Huawei was probably investigting batteries for phones when it first came up with this. To shift the tech to EV some physicist or engineer probably did the math and realized it was potentially great for EV use.
Potentially not, the Huawei sulphide approach seems EV specific and increases the volume of a battery of Lithium Ion battery, this addresses issues with stability, durability and power density (charge/discharge rate) rather than energy density.
This approach differs to Li-S designs have been on and off since the 1960s, well before mobile phones were a thing, with electrification of vehicles being one of the original goals. The Huawei approach is seeking to optimise the performance of Li-Ion batteries, rather than the use of sulphide in solid state Li-S design that seek to prevent Lithium anode swelling associated with solid state designs.
Additionally, improvements in Li-S cycle durability, which has been the big stumbling block for Li-S commercialisation, has been driven by EVs; as EVs represent an easier target to achieve compared to the smaller batteries in mobiles that cycle much more frequently so require high durability batteries. The same is true of the Huawei solid sulphide electrolyte approach that seeks to address safety, durability and power density of Li-Ion batteries at levels suited to EVs (10s of years lifespan) rather than mobile charge patterns (3 to 10 year lifespand).
Interestingly, Sony were going to launch a range of solid state Li-S for mobiles in 2015 but to date it still hasn't materialised. One reason being that Li-S pouch designs are a little too thick for modern phone designs, as the size of phones have optimised around the advances in Li-ion/poly resulting in extremely thin designs (with sufficient operating duration). A shift to mobiles using Li-S would equate to a thicker phone albeit with longer battery life, however, comercially it's not clear if the trade off for size vs operating duration is one an average consumer would seek.
@@GruffSillyGoat You make a lot of great points but they do not dismiss smartphone manufacturers want higher density batteries and research is research. Provided the physics works out, solid state is probably inevitable for most battery tech down the road, including phones, due to a theoretically higher energy density (assuming issues like charge times, durability, and price are solved too of course)
Many companies involved in battery technology research solid state today no matter what their particular application. Smartphone manufacturer Samsung would be another example of this. Of course, if some company stumbles upon tech that can be repurposed for another industry than their own they will take advantage of it. IMO in most instances probably through licensing rather than building their own factories when its a technology for use outside of their particular sector (depending on how advanced their new tech is relative to competitors)
My prediction has been at least 3 new battery types in production each year for the next decade. Not all of those will be for cars but they will happen.
I wish these batteries come to other devices like phones. I want my phone battery to never degrade under cold and hot conditions.
One more step forward
When you get your Geely copter you can skip the slow 1980’s train trip from Sydney to Newcastle
Surely someone on the. Channel can give you a lift
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Yay, it's a start.
Please make a video on which legacy car company is doing the worst? (Maybe good stock to short)
You already has done that, many times. Because that company would be Nissan, IMHO.
A bunch of large mountains of sulphur will gain value.
Range and charging speed. Obviously irrelevant for short distances, but crucial for long distance journeys. I guess in 3 years both will be solved.
Huawei is the greatest example of technical leadership dynamic in intelkectual otiginalty than entire, ivy league, oxford Cambridge, London and mit, consider no finance?
More great news!! EVERY major battery manufacturer are developing high-efficiency solid-state batteries that will put NMC and LFP in the history books soon. Once we start seeing solid-state batts. in EV's with ranges of ~500 miles and ~10-min. charge times, that will be the day we'll see the end of ICE, but not until then as most people still won't accept ~300 miles and 20-40 min. charge times. I only own EV's so I'm fine, but will quickly sell them for solid-state batt. EV's.
charge time is the problem.
LFP will not go anywhere in the next 10 years, at least for the ESS system, it is cheap and has a very high life cycle, which is very good for ESS.
U.S. government hates Huawei because they are too successful .... when you can't compete, you turn into a bitter Tanya Harding and try to injure the competition.😂
Why don't electric cars have solar panel roofs?
I think that there is one in India
Because a normal solar panel produces around 200 Wh for the area of the roof. Which means the average EV (60 kWh) would need two weeks of active 200 Wh charging. Given that the sun does not shine at night, it would take a whole month (with 0 cloudy days) to get a single charge. Hence, having a solar roof is not practical.
The Aptera will, whenever it's launched
@@smthB4 Lindia? already in production in CN...Always trying to butt in when CN is mention
Ev car setbacks are the batteries, There is only one way to solve all battery related issues, life span, grid problems, battery health, fast charge times only work in perfect conditions. Ready to hear the Solution......Battery Swapping under 3 minutes period
And end up with someone else's crap battery?
No thanks.
@mikemalone9678 for example 80% Nio car owners use battery swap, every battery is tested before a swap, if there is a battery issues they can't use the battery till it's serviced.
@@devilious123 But what does "tested" mean?
It means whatever the corporation wants it to mean. I could be getting a battery that can hold no more than 80% charge, or even less.
And how do they charge you for the replacement battery? Do they charge you for what *they* say is the range of that battery? Do they credit you for the range remaining in the battery removed?
No thanks.
I'll stick to charging my own battery.
No way! Honda's got it in the bag. Baaaaaahhhhhh. Honda doesn't have shit. But that hilarious isn't it. They have to be good for something
They're good for VTEC... Type r type R baby bzzzzzzvroooooooo 9000rpm yeah and 88hp 😂😂😂 👎
@CrzyD-cv8xz Quarter mile at a time... oh wait, that doesn't matter anymore.
If a battery looks more like a standard pack or cell than a computer CPU then it isn't solid; it still has liquid. Solid state has the same meaning as it has in computer chips - hard; layers. no liquid at all. The term solid state is being abused to include batteries w reduced liquid chemistry; those are not solid.
Is this the one?
Do a video on the awful jaguar advert Viking !, they're finished
Patents mean nothing though
Every over priced Ev made today will bleed value going forward just as an early expensive computer was as the tech quickly evolved. Later adopters benefit as the tech matures and gets cheaper.
华为解决了手机在极寒地区电池不能正常工作的问题，目前苹果还不能解决，大概率华为也能解决电车在寒冷地区电池衰减的问题
Again: I’ll believe it when I see it.
The real test is when you lick the battery. 😈
@ You’re showing your age.
Yes it would leave you in a solid state.
In China no one cares you believe it or not
doesnt need your approval
Jai Hind. Waiting to ger ready for Battle Royale between Trumpeter 2 versus Huawei.
Thry may find it will have issues in mass production. Don’t hold your breath!
6-7 hours a long day ???
For a TH-cam creator.
When you can charge a battery from 10% to 100% in 5 minutes and when charging stations roughly equal in number to gas stations is when I'll shop for an EV.
I have never charged up our model y at a fast charger. We just charge in the garage overnight once a week. It is much more convenient and cheaper to run than My ICE truck. I don’t think we need that many charging stations.
@@CombatSport777 your situation sounds like fairly light local driving.
Don't forget the 2000 mile range per charge, lol.
@@Frostback-mw4xi or a deployable solar array haha
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If you have fast charging cars you need massive current connected , what countries grid will be able to handle millions of EVs in the next 10 years, only small countries have any hope. the UK for ex has cables underground to houses, this would take the worlds entire supply of copper wire, are you going to dig up every street in the UK in the next decade at a cost of trillions. It is a complete no brainer.
Copper is expected to hiot $100,000USD/ton in the next 8 years
The UK's National Grid has stated the infrastructure to individual homes isn't an issue, except for the odd remaining locations that still have electric supply cables hoping from house to house that limit supply to 60 amps or under (100 amps being more typical for modern homes built in the last 30 years). Even those with looped supplies, a home owner can ask the local DNO for an upgrade at no charge to them.
From a nation wide perspective, the additional capacity even if all UK cars on the road were electric, is in the order of 2GW daily for the whole country (source NG and Carbon Brief). There is sufficient capacity in the transmission network for this, which is operating 40GW below it's 80GW peak back in 2005/6.
One limitation isn't the capacity to a given house, i.e. the individual copper runs, but the capacity in particular areas supplying many houses and whether this is sized for EV charging in that overall area. That is whether the substations are sized for the expected load with EV charging. However, one of the focusses with V2H/V2G is in part to create localised load sharing between homes, trials have been operated to assest the ability for such approaches to mitigate localised capacity constraints in the impacted areas.
Australia will take a lead role in achieving to this
@@GruffSillyGoat The problem is they say you will be able to fast charge in the not to distant future, for this you will need a 70kw charger or higher . All so you will need charging stations in the surface of the road as most people cannot charge by there house or flat , so a few million chargers will be required and the roads dug up and thousands of miles of cables run .
If there is so much spare Capacity in the grid why do they keep saying we could have power cuts if there is a problem in winter.
@@thetruthseeker9407 - perhaps those claiming these points are making stuff up or have an agenda behind these statements. No manufactures have made such statements, nor has the national grid.
Here we go again. Where is your coverage of Hondas solid state battery? And their plant in Japan? Come on Sam get with it and cover something other than the Chinese BS you spout.
Honduhhh got power point promises. just wait my friend all will be revealed 😂😂😂
@@CrzyD-cv8xzand you think China is doing it? All we hear from same is speculation and speculation.
No real proof. Honda at least has a demonstration line up and running at their Sakura City facility, unlike the Chinese that have stock photos and no real footage that Sam likes to cut and copy and repeat
@@CrzyD-cv8xzat least they have a demonstration working at their Sakura City factory unlike the chinese
@@kevinW826is good for you to have wishful thinking Xmas is coming up 😂😂😂
@ don’t believe in that crap either