As someone in the Netherlands the problem with cold really isn't a problem so i stick to cannister stoves most of the times. White gas stoves have peeked my interest for longer trips or ones i do in a small friend group (3 total) but the price is quite a big step for in my mind a more specialized piece of equipment. Crazy to see the precautions you guys have to take in colder climates.
I have an MSR Reactor stove and noticed regardless of the warming techniques if cold outside the canister will burn one fuel more than the other. You'll notice the flame/heat color will go yellowish instead of red/blue.
I can only assume that you're aware of the copper strip "hack" for these, also known as the Moulder Strip. It's a whole lot easier and from the look of things, would work in a much wider range of condtions. It has worked for may of us quite well down into -10 F range with reports of it working well down to at least -20 F also (can't speek from experience below -10 F yet. If you haven't looked into it, it's worth a look. It's lead to me pretty much universally using upright cansiter stoves all year as long as cainster availability isn't a problem.
Multifuel, or liquid fuel stoves are the best for some situations. There's good reason Alpinists use them. They're also the best if you just want to buy one stove for life, and not have to worry about disposable canisters, or fuel containers. Definetly not UL, but old tried and tested reliability can't be beat. It is an extra chore, pumping it up, preheating, cleaning it out from time to time, etc. Sometimes I don't want to do it tbh, but it's still my favorite. Thought the worst part is that using gasoline with them will have it, it's container/storage bag and anything else in it REEK of gasoline. minor caveat for me, but I also do not mind the soot from twig stoves so I'd say I'm easy to please. To each his own.
I think it’s fun to play around with the candle, candle cave, cozy, and x number pieces of foam to see if it will work. But I think to rely on it is sketchy as is the safety (as you mentioned, the Darwin Award). Liquid fuel is so much easier. Fewer bits to lose.
I know it seems sketchy but this would only be for below freezing and with snow. But yes I agree lots of pieces to keep track of and gets a little complicated.
Thanks for testing the hack; though I agree, having the right equipment for the conditions is the best approach. Why complicate the process and risk the chance of things not working out … especially at -20C!
It's an interesting camera. Video quality is great but it has some quirks for my needs. Can't switch out the battery, the external battery doesn't like being cold, the gimbal doesn't lock for tripod use, you need an adaptor for the 1/4 20 mount. I'll see if it's of much benefit compared to my zv1f, which has a similar sensor (both 1"). The zv1f is a little tank since it doesn't have any moving parts - I abuse that thing and it's still trucking along. My GoPro is a tank as well. If the DJI Action 5 has a 1" sensor that's all I'd need for trips.
When you’re on a multi day trip, babysitting your canister gets old fast. They cool down very fast as well, especially when used right-side up since pressure is dropping as the fuel changes phases from liquid to gas as it leaves the can. Ideal gas law: pv = nrt. My previous video shows a warm can at 2:25 with the performance drop extremely fast due to low temps (below -25C).
Put your fuel in a heavy wool sock with a hand warmer pack on the bottom of the canister in the concave base.....done........I wont charge anyone for that tip.
Agreed hand warmer packs max out just below 60C. Canisters get left in cars all the time and don’t explode. You’d only do this below freezing so not a concern.
100% hand warmers work, no question. I’d do it in a pinch, but not something for a multi day trip. I bring a few of those hand warmer packs and they are surprisingly heavy and bulky. The ones I have are 45g per double pack, and I’d want 3x per day, so for a 4 day trip thats half a pound of hand warmers. For an overnight, great little trick. Long term, probably not. You have to factor in that Marcus is one of the most prolific backcountry skiers in this area. His candle trick has worked for him… you get a nice little light, weighs next to nothing, cheap… works well when you have a deep snowpack and build a cooking area in the snow.
@@KaneDoesOutdoors i simply wouldn't use an upright gas canister stove at all in winter. Remote stoves are so much better. Even alcohol stoves work very well but are slow. Sometimes I've used my alcohol stove under my remote gas stove to prime it. Works great
Just use a hand warmer sachet if you dont like the idea of potentially making a fire bomb
As someone in the Netherlands the problem with cold really isn't a problem so i stick to cannister stoves most of the times. White gas stoves have peeked my interest for longer trips or ones i do in a small friend group (3 total) but the price is quite a big step for in my mind a more specialized piece of equipment.
Crazy to see the precautions you guys have to take in colder climates.
I have an MSR Reactor stove and noticed regardless of the warming techniques if cold outside the canister will burn one fuel more than the other. You'll notice the flame/heat color will go yellowish instead of red/blue.
why not just use one of those hot hands, hand warmers and put it on the bottom of the fuel canister?
I can only assume that you're aware of the copper strip "hack" for these, also known as the Moulder Strip. It's a whole lot easier and from the look of things, would work in a much wider range of condtions. It has worked for may of us quite well down into -10 F range with reports of it working well down to at least -20 F also (can't speek from experience below -10 F yet. If you haven't looked into it, it's worth a look. It's lead to me pretty much universally using upright cansiter stoves all year as long as cainster availability isn't a problem.
Ya, I’ve seen it on BPL a bunch of times. I have trouble imagining it working reliably at -20 F though. At -30F, no way…
Multifuel, or liquid fuel stoves are the best for some situations. There's good reason Alpinists use them. They're also the best if you just want to buy one stove for life, and not have to worry about disposable canisters, or fuel containers. Definetly not UL, but old tried and tested reliability can't be beat. It is an extra chore, pumping it up, preheating, cleaning it out from time to time, etc. Sometimes I don't want to do it tbh, but it's still my favorite. Thought the worst part is that using gasoline with them will have it, it's container/storage bag and anything else in it REEK of gasoline. minor caveat for me, but I also do not mind the soot from twig stoves so I'd say I'm easy to please. To each his own.
I think it’s fun to play around with the candle, candle cave, cozy, and x number pieces of foam to see if it will work. But I think to rely on it is sketchy as is the safety (as you mentioned, the Darwin Award). Liquid fuel is so much easier. Fewer bits to lose.
I know it seems sketchy but this would only be for below freezing and with snow. But yes I agree lots of pieces to keep track of and gets a little complicated.
I use a 1 lb green canister with an adapter. Its lighter and smaller than a liquid fuel stove.
Agree. Not a hassle at all. Canister three season backpacking. White gas in the winter.👍👍
Thanks for testing the hack; though I agree, having the right equipment for the conditions is the best approach.
Why complicate the process and risk the chance of things not working out … especially at -20C!
How’s the DJI pocket 3 working out so far? Quality is A1👌🏼
It's an interesting camera. Video quality is great but it has some quirks for my needs. Can't switch out the battery, the external battery doesn't like being cold, the gimbal doesn't lock for tripod use, you need an adaptor for the 1/4 20 mount. I'll see if it's of much benefit compared to my zv1f, which has a similar sensor (both 1"). The zv1f is a little tank since it doesn't have any moving parts - I abuse that thing and it's still trucking along. My GoPro is a tank as well. If the DJI Action 5 has a 1" sensor that's all I'd need for trips.
@@KaneDoesOutdoorsThanks for the response cool channel🔥
Can we call that the Wind burner quinzhee ? 😅 As long the snow is not too powdery and can be fashion...
Cool hack!
It's a weird one but pretty neat.
Was your canister at ambient temperature?
It had been outside for about 3 hrs.
Can’t you just keep the canister in your jacket to keep it warm until you use it?
When you’re on a multi day trip, babysitting your canister gets old fast. They cool down very fast as well, especially when used right-side up since pressure is dropping as the fuel changes phases from liquid to gas as it leaves the can. Ideal gas law: pv = nrt. My previous video shows a warm can at 2:25 with the performance drop extremely fast due to low temps (below -25C).
Or use a alcohol one instead
Interesting 😬
Put your fuel in a heavy wool sock with a hand warmer pack on the bottom of the canister in the concave base.....done........I wont charge anyone for that tip.
Dangerous if it gets too hot.
@@AaronVetswon't get too hot when it's minus 20 or more out lol
Agreed hand warmer packs max out just below 60C. Canisters get left in cars all the time and don’t explode. You’d only do this below freezing so not a concern.
100% hand warmers work, no question. I’d do it in a pinch, but not something for a multi day trip. I bring a few of those hand warmer packs and they are surprisingly heavy and bulky. The ones I have are 45g per double pack, and I’d want 3x per day, so for a 4 day trip thats half a pound of hand warmers. For an overnight, great little trick. Long term, probably not. You have to factor in that Marcus is one of the most prolific backcountry skiers in this area. His candle trick has worked for him… you get a nice little light, weighs next to nothing, cheap… works well when you have a deep snowpack and build a cooking area in the snow.
@@KaneDoesOutdoors i simply wouldn't use an upright gas canister stove at all in winter. Remote stoves are so much better. Even alcohol stoves work very well but are slow. Sometimes I've used my alcohol stove under my remote gas stove to prime it. Works great
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