Comprehensive Guide to Using Gas Canister Stoves in Cold Weather

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  • @scottbutler1561
    @scottbutler1561 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thanks, Mark. This is the most accurate and comprehensive canister stove presentation relative to cold weather performance that I've ever seen.

  • @brashachilles9725
    @brashachilles9725 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Such well structured, informative, expert videos.

  • @maritimeblaster
    @maritimeblaster ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I had these issues the other day trying to make lunch. Thank you, I wasn’t sure what I would have to do besides using my gasifier stove which can be difficult with my dog around. The warm water in a dish I think is going to be my solution. Brilliant!

  • @donnybryan6762
    @donnybryan6762 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great video. The amount of liquid in the tank does not affect the pressure. Only the temperature of the liquid affects the pressure. It takes energy to vaporize the liquid cooling the liquid. A smaller volume in the tank cools faster than a larger volume. Therefore, a smaller volume may appear to have lower pressure.

    • @MarkYoungBushcraft
      @MarkYoungBushcraft  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the info!

    • @eramaidenkulkija
      @eramaidenkulkija ปีที่แล้ว

      I was about to post this same comment. The pressure depends only of the temerature of the liquid.

  • @genelucky4002
    @genelucky4002 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I find I can warm the canister using a remote canister stove by simply placing the canister somewhat near the burner. I use a wind screen and leave it open on the canister side. I monitor the canister temperature to make sure the metal stays low enough that I can touch the canister is not ouch response. In additon to touching the canister to monitor its tempurature, listen to the stove. If it starts to roar the canister is beginning to over heat. Turn it down or off immediately.

    • @MarkYoungBushcraft
      @MarkYoungBushcraft  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, that would work. As you say, you would need to watch it closely. Thanks for commenting

  • @bcamping1
    @bcamping1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is the best explanation of pressure regulator I ever heard.
    These two little stoves probably have very little jets. They are very efficient and slow. They probably show the difference of different fuels and temperatures the best.

  • @wanttogo1958
    @wanttogo1958 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The copper strip you saw demonstrated by Krizakoni (sp?) in a YT video is actually called a Moulder strip credited to Bob Moulder(still living to my knowledge) as the original, recent anyway, person who refined the technique and wrote about it at Backpacking Light. If you search for Moulder strip online you will see the thread come up at the BPL site where the details of making and using one are described. You don’t have to be a member to read those entries online.

    • @MarkYoungBushcraft
      @MarkYoungBushcraft  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks for the information. I will take a look

  • @coreyschultz7018
    @coreyschultz7018 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I never realized all the differences with fuel types as well as gaseous and liquid forms of dispensing. All great information. My choice is easy now! Thanks for your great info again!

  • @josephtremblay6562
    @josephtremblay6562 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Trangia gas burner has both preheat tube, and pressure regulator, and high quality. I use this with a trangia T27, as well as an optimus polaris for extreme cold and higher elevation. They all fit in a T27, so bonus windscreen

    • @MarkYoungBushcraft
      @MarkYoungBushcraft  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, that is one of the pros for the Trangia burner. Thanks for commenting

    • @covenantking
      @covenantking ปีที่แล้ว

      I’ve been thinking about using my Optimus Polaris in a 25 or 27 Trangia windcreen. Can you tell me how stable is it, do you use any adapter? and if you have ever damaged the aluminum windcreen with the Polaris at full heat? Thanks.

    • @josephtremblay6562
      @josephtremblay6562 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @covenantking I do not have the adapter, i use it in the closed position (as in I don't open the legs) and it is still stable that way. I do not crank the heat full either.

    • @charliemcdowell5231
      @charliemcdowell5231 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It has a preheat tube but I believe it is not meant to use an inverted canister. Perhaps I’m mistaken?

  • @clockworkvanhellsing372
    @clockworkvanhellsing372 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If you put some tablesalt on a stick and hold it into the flame, the flame would be much more visible in the video.
    Thank you for the demonstration.
    Some of the cheap chinese stoves conduct enough heat into their base, that they can run on an inverted canister without issues (at least mine can, and that one was realy cheap), so it might be worth it, to carefully try it out outside.

    • @MarkYoungBushcraft
      @MarkYoungBushcraft  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Interesting idea about using the salt. Thanks for commenting

  • @connosaurus
    @connosaurus ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good information Mark. Happy to see the hand-warmer test!

  • @AtomicBleach
    @AtomicBleach ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Firemaple actually sells a insulated cowhide leather cover for your gas canister to help with performance in the cold.

    • @MarkYoungBushcraft
      @MarkYoungBushcraft  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes, and I will likely ask them to send me one to share. Thanks for commenting

  • @andrewinaustintx
    @andrewinaustintx ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for the excellent demonstration of the three work arounds for using an ISO-butane stove in colder temps. Since, I'm truck camping versus backpacking - I bring a trusty 45 year old SVEA 123 as part of my kit when headed to higher elevations, just in case.

    • @MarkYoungBushcraft
      @MarkYoungBushcraft  ปีที่แล้ว

      I do love my SVEA 123 but they do require a bit more work than these type of stoves. Thanks for commenting

  • @borissorkin8819
    @borissorkin8819 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Mark, preheat tube on this stove would work much better with pot on the stove. The flame would spread wider and touch the tube. Without pot on top of the stove, the tube is not in the flame and less efficient. Thanks for the tips with paper clips and cooper strip. I will try them both.

    • @MarkYoungBushcraft
      @MarkYoungBushcraft  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree, I think I may have mentioned that at one point. I should have sown a pot being placed on all of them. Thanks for commenting

    • @eyeofthetiger4184
      @eyeofthetiger4184 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good on ya Boris, fair point mate. Cheers Duke.

  • @Pedenzo
    @Pedenzo ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Mark, what about white gas stoves? (yeah, I'm always that guy....;-) I would love to see a comparison between W/G vs canister stoves. The amount of time to get the inverted canister stove going was longer that priming and lighting my beloved Svea. One thought, maybe you could try using some sort of priming pan with alcohol to warm up the inverted canister stove......great video, thank you!

    • @MarkYoungBushcraft
      @MarkYoungBushcraft  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I would love to make a video on white gas stoves. I am also thinking about one on alcohol stoves. Thanks for commenting

  • @Stoney_AKA_James
    @Stoney_AKA_James ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video Mark!

  • @956lizz
    @956lizz ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us! There’s always great videos on your channel

  • @jimf1964
    @jimf1964 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That was pretty comprehensive. I’m sure it’ll help some people, and THANK YOU for pointing out that you need a stove to get hot water, and you need hot water to run your stove. Some real keypad experts are out there.
    Personally I find it odd that the very people (bush crafters , hikers etc) who are supposed to be so environmental, drop it without a thought when it comes to personal convenience. Except for the maybe 1% of people who refill their cans, canisters are so so wasteful. Manufacturing the steel, the extra shipping of raw steel, shipping to be filled, then to the store when full, even printing the canisters, etc…make these the worst choice.
    I don’t mind if people choose these, it’s just when they’re being so hypocritical about it.

    • @MarkYoungBushcraft
      @MarkYoungBushcraft  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You make a good point about the environmental impact of the gas canisters. I heard Paul Kirtley argue that a few years ago and I resisted using the canisters at all. Now, I do refill my small canisters from the larger but even that, it is less impactful to use alcohol or wood. Thanks for commenting

    • @danielkutcher5704
      @danielkutcher5704 ปีที่แล้ว

      Another alcohol and wood stove user, I assume. 👍

    • @jimf1964
      @jimf1964 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@danielkutcher5704 Another person who doesn’t really read a post before commenting, I assume.
      If you actually read my comment, I said that I don’t blame anyone for using a gas canister, if that’s what they like, but don’t go around claiming you’re pro protecting the environment if you do.
      I can’t begin to tell you how sick I am of people who claim to be environmentalists, yet will do nothing of their own accord, if it causes them the most minuscule of inconveniences, and then expect the government to do it for them.
      Not that it’s relevant, since I’m only calling out hypocrites, but I adore my firebox stove, I use alcohol on occasion, and white gas. Though I’m planning on buying a universal fuel MSR stove soon.

    • @danielkutcher5704
      @danielkutcher5704 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jimf1964 Apparently, you don't understand what 👍means. I agreed with your post. 🙄
      I use alcohol and wood, and am environmentally responsible, and don't expect a pat on the back from anyone for driving tiny cars, recycling, etc. Your response startled me, but I will just assume that it was a simple misunderstanding on your part or a failure to communicate clearly on my part. ✌

    • @jimf1964
      @jimf1964 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@danielkutcher5704 Hey, I run into a lot of keyboard experts, so maybe I responded too quickly, or it was aimed at someone else. Sorry

  • @hypo345
    @hypo345 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A lot of information succinctly delivered.
    Guess we all have our favourite stoves for cold weather, for me it’s the SOTO StormBreaker works with white gas or inverted gas, I also use an Optimus Vega remote stove that will work with a canister inverted and has a stand to facilitate this.
    I find it a bit annoying when a manufacturer makes a stove that can work with an inverted gas canister but doesn’t provide a suitable means to support the canister inverted.
    Liked your Bull Dog clip work around.
    In the Uk RidgeMonkey make a USB heated canister cover that warms the gas to keep it working in cold temperatures.

    • @MarkYoungBushcraft
      @MarkYoungBushcraft  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Fire Maple makes on as well that I will ask them to send so I can share it. Thanks for commenting

  • @redsorgum
    @redsorgum ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think the hand warmer was an easier way to warm it. I would recommend one of those gas can sleeves, I’ve seen people use them, and they seem to work pretty good. You should have lit up a Trangia as a bonus……✌️🇺🇸🇨🇦✌️

    • @MarkYoungBushcraft
      @MarkYoungBushcraft  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I may make a cold weather alcohol stove video. Thanks for commenting

  • @jacquelineatherstone9288
    @jacquelineatherstone9288 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you mark for this great information sincerely Jacqueline Wichita ks

    • @MarkYoungBushcraft
      @MarkYoungBushcraft  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I am glad it was helpful. Thanks for commenting

  • @spinner2000
    @spinner2000 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Brilliant mark very comprehensive

  • @theresamcpherson7352
    @theresamcpherson7352 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you Mark!

  • @margueritemitchell1829
    @margueritemitchell1829 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello from British Columbia Canada
    🇨🇦🖐🖐♥️🌲🌳🚍🚐🛣🚐🚍🌳🌲😎✊❄

  • @nyleshintz69
    @nyleshintz69 ปีที่แล้ว

    As a gas fitter in B.C.,I outfit my cylinders with primarily propane in Winter or our colder climates in Autumn or Spring. Good to see you're still promoting something to the general public. I won't correct you here.

  • @stevensmith1911
    @stevensmith1911 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very informative. Thank you!

    • @MarkYoungBushcraft
      @MarkYoungBushcraft  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad it was helpful! Thanks for commenting

  • @brucematys8597
    @brucematys8597 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video Mark and really appreciate the information shared. Cheers my friend.

  • @terryw.milburn8565
    @terryw.milburn8565 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great Demo Shared Mark ! I Use A Hand Warmer On The Bottom Of Mine When Needed. ATB T God Bless

    • @MarkYoungBushcraft
      @MarkYoungBushcraft  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I like the handwarmers as well. Thanks for commenting Terry

  • @Fellmandave1
    @Fellmandave1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Really great video Mark. i have just bought a pressure regulator stove as was experiencing poor performance in the cold with my preheat tube type. I am still not convinced which is better, the pressure regulator stove or preheat tube type.

    • @MarkYoungBushcraft
      @MarkYoungBushcraft  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So far, in real cold weather I lean towards the pre-heat tube with the tank inverted. It does take a bit to warm up though. Thanks for commenting

    • @Fellmandave1
      @Fellmandave1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MarkYoungBushcraft would be great to see the pre heat vs the regulator though, kind of what I was expecting then went a bit unscientific. subscribed!

  • @karenporter3156
    @karenporter3156 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you! Another great video full of information.

  • @neemancallender9092
    @neemancallender9092 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I still have an Optimus 88 or 99 (cant remember) that comes in an aluminum container where the lid is a pot
    I have the pressure pump to act as a pressure stove
    Called a white gas or coleman fuel, but i just always used unleaded gas/petrol lowest grade
    i have used that stove in -40 and it started perfectly
    A liter of fuel would last ten days in the winter snowshoeing in the woods and mountains of Vermont and the Adirondacks, or the Scottish Highlands
    in the winter , cooking lentils and rice as my main evening meal
    I have another heavy aluminum pot, that i simmered the lentils, and used haybox method and wrapped the pot in thin closed cell foam, to get a slow cook
    Used the lid to boil water for coffee and tea, with a thin aluminum mug, almost as light as titanium
    Still lights up like a treat
    I also had the first MSR remote multi fuel stove, it was a beast
    Did not use it much, as it was bulky.
    i don't even think it had a model number
    Fond Memories

    • @MarkYoungBushcraft
      @MarkYoungBushcraft  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A classic for sure. I have an old Svea and Colemen that work the same way. Bit more work to use but they work so much better in the cold. Thanks for commenting

    • @danielkutcher5704
      @danielkutcher5704 ปีที่แล้ว

      Was the early MSR an XGK?
      I had one, briefly, in the 1980s and replaced it with a Whisperlite when the model came out. I still have it.

    • @wanttogo1958
      @wanttogo1958 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You have the 99. Good stove.

  • @turtlewolfpack6061
    @turtlewolfpack6061 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yea, in reality propane ceases to vaporize well before -40 Celsius. Seen it tons of times. As for the others altitude plays a huge part on any canister stove as well.
    Spouting stats is great, the real world shows otherwise very quickly.

    • @MarkYoungBushcraft
      @MarkYoungBushcraft  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, I stated a number of times that the pressure and performance drop with temperature and that there is a point of diminishing returns.

  • @eyeofthetiger4184
    @eyeofthetiger4184 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    G'day Mark, probably around 0 C is the coldest I'd encounter and haven't had an issue with Colman branded iso-butane, butane, propane 28-45-26 mix. or iso-butane @ 80-20 mix, on the Blade 2 or Windmaster, though i do usually pocket the canister for a while as a matter of course, just a good habit to get into i reckon.
    I have heard, (second hand), of the odd dodgy canister valve, (have you ?), so depending on the trip I'll often take 2 X 220 g jobs rather than a single 220 or 450 g, ...... for our old mate Just-in Case.
    Btw; on the other end of the scale, I'm struggling to find upper temp specs, it can go 40+ C here in summer and I am particularly concerned with leaving these fuels in a hot car for any length of time.
    Any info would be appreciated. Cheers Duke.

    • @MarkYoungBushcraft
      @MarkYoungBushcraft  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hey Duke. Good question about upper temperatures. We rarely get above 30C here so I have not thought about it. I think I will do some research on this. Thanks for commenting

  • @MichaelR58
    @MichaelR58 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good informational video , thanks for sharing , God bless !

  • @Chris-hx7ub
    @Chris-hx7ub 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video. Question for a canister stove with a pre heat tube i have msr windpro 2 in liquid mode what's the coldest you have been able to get then started? On the -25c day did you try to get that one stove started? I am trying to figure out limit of winter mix canister stove. Thanks.

    • @MarkYoungBushcraft
      @MarkYoungBushcraft  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I don't have the MSR Windpro 2 but I have a few stoves of similar design. I was able to get them started and use them at -25C using the winter blend fuel. They sputter and flare a bit until they heat up. A trick I use is to carry the canister inside my coat to help pre-heat it. Hope this helps

    • @Chris-hx7ub
      @Chris-hx7ub 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @MarkYoungBushcraft thank you. Will keep canister in pocket while getting camp set up.

  • @DrDennis
    @DrDennis ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do all these gas stoves connect directly to 1 lb propane cans or do you need adapters? Great review.

    • @MarkYoungBushcraft
      @MarkYoungBushcraft  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      They all require the adapter for use with the propane cylinder but the adapter is quite inexpensive. I got mine on Aliexpress but Fire Maple also has them. Thanks for commenting

  • @jarmosalonen2068
    @jarmosalonen2068 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Farenheit? What happened to Celsius temperature measuring?

    • @MarkYoungBushcraft
      @MarkYoungBushcraft  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I kind of went back and forth. Should have done both right through. Thanks for commenting

  • @MrLabradorwildman
    @MrLabradorwildman ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Mark, Posted Comment on wrong Video lol, should have posted on this one on using the Ultra Flame Propane Torch Fuel Canister, 226-g, it has the same thread has all the stoves and yes i pushed the canaster down in the snow and tried my sole master on top, i do like the regulator stoves i like the look at the one you was using can you place a link to it please i may get one and try my propane canaster with it. Great video thanks again Dave from Lab City.

    • @MarkYoungBushcraft
      @MarkYoungBushcraft  ปีที่แล้ว

      Here is a link to one from Fire Maple firemaplegear.com/collections/shop-all-accessaries/products/z1-lpg-propane-canister-adapter Thanks for commenting

  • @markmartello
    @markmartello ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice video Mark. Can straight propane be used with a stove with a preheat tube? Thanks.

    • @MarkYoungBushcraft
      @MarkYoungBushcraft  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes, it can but no need to invert the tank. Thanks for commenting

  • @per-ake
    @per-ake ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Mark, Will the FM polaris, being a regulated stove,will it run on propane with the appropriate tank adapter. I did try it with the MSR Reactor, which is regulated, but all I got was a very weak blue flame.

    • @MarkYoungBushcraft
      @MarkYoungBushcraft  ปีที่แล้ว

      I wanted to conform before replying. I compared propane to isobutane on my FM Polaris and Campingmoon pressure regulated stove. I did not a small decrease in intensity between fuels. Interestingly, I noted a larger difference between the two stoves when using the same fuels. I cannot confirm but the difference may be due to the BTU difference between butane and propane. Isobutane would be my first choice but I would be happy with propane as well. Hope this helps

  • @user-hw6hb4rk9t
    @user-hw6hb4rk9t 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    1:18 "And there's a winter mix of Isobutane, mixed with Cocaine."
    isn't hearing damage fun?

    • @MarkYoungBushcraft
      @MarkYoungBushcraft  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I hear you (pun intended) I wear hearing aids and still miss things

  • @godottt
    @godottt ปีที่แล้ว

    Generally love your videos, but this one was a bit annoying as you did it almost entirely in Fahrenheit -- especially since you are Canadian. Let the Americans Google translate while watching instead of the rest of the world.

    • @MarkYoungBushcraft
      @MarkYoungBushcraft  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, my bad. I grew up learning Imperial until I was in my teens and the switch to Metric. Kind of think in both worlds. Thanks for commenting

    • @wanttogo1958
      @wanttogo1958 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ⁠@@MarkYoungBushcraftthe easiest method I’ve seen is just post the temperature not given on the screen for a few frames and keep talking. To my knowledge most schools in the U.S. are still teaching the metric system for length and volume measurements and Centigrade for temperatures.

  • @colinsynstar
    @colinsynstar ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, Thanks