One of the best parts of Suffering is that the Siren doesn’t have Penelope's instrument. It's one of many cool touches Jorge likes to fill the community in on.
@@hiwaga7399 That is heart shattering considering how polities was there for Odys 'good' parts, but then to hear his instruments with the siren during Odys 'bad' change is like,,, Jorge when we catch you Jorge.
It's also because Ody had beeswax in his ears, so the memories the Siren had were jumbled since she couldn't directly access them. It's why the instrumentation is off, mixing the motifs of two positive influences Ody has.
Fun fact: Jay loves how in Scylla it sounds like he’s saying “run for your lives” when it’s “row for your lives” and giggles while imagining the crew running from side to side on the boat😂
A nice little hint to Athena is during the songs she doesn’t appear you can hear you piano in the background, but never hear her voice. Giving a hint at her subtly being there through her visions
@@PanicBasedRiot T'was not. Casper Fox said "would" about Scylla design based on her voice actor (as seen in the official animatic on Jorge's channel). No shame there
Scylla killed 6 people because she has 6 hydra heads. In Suffering when Odysseus says "But Scylla has a prize..." he already knows that the prize is 6 men, 1 to feed each head, and that's why he tells them to light up 6 torches he KNOWS who he's sacrificing to get past there Edit: Also Poseidon isn't there in god games because the gods she has to convince are the ones on the Trojan's side in the war, the ones that didn't side with Odysseus and the others fighting to get Helena back
@@hiwaga7399 yes but the op said all of the gods she had to convince were on the Trojan side which isn’t true. Hera was for the Greeks and Hephaestus stayed put of it from what I can tell
"Scylla has a cost" specifically, and I think you meant "price" not "prize", also the deities chosen were the ones that would be most opposed to Odysseus or Athena. 3 being opposed in the Trojan war is a given, with aphrodite and ares especially. Hera having a disdain for greek heroes is known (and being the third goddess who competed for the golden apple), as for Hephaestus, I think he tried to court Athena before and was spurned?
I mean, depending on what combination of myths you go with, God Games is just a family feud. Athena is the child of Zeus, who sprange fully grown and armoured from his forehead. Apollo is the son of Zeus and Leto. Hephestus and Ares are the sons of Zeus and Hera. Hera is married to Zeus. Aphrodite is the one that depends on the mix of myths, because it is said she is married to Hephestus, but also is the lover of Ares and possibly Hephestus divorced her because of that, as Hephestus has a different wife in the Illiad but theres a story of him catching Aphrodite, who is his wife at the time of the story-within-a-story if i am remembering correctly, and Ares toghether in the Odyssey. And to add to that, theres Aphrodite also has myth of her birth where shes the daughter of Zeus and a Titan (Dione? Unsure of spelling), tho i believe the more popular one is where she emerged out of seafoam as a full adult after Ouranous's severed nutsack fell into the ocean. I think its a stronger angle than the Trojan thing, but to each their own
My guy ody is DEDICATED. Bro got seduced by calypso and was stuck on that island for 7 years YET the only women in his life that he wants is penelope.. Cough cough.. alexander.. cough cough "say no to this" cough.. ZEUS COUGH
Ody if he ever meets Alexander: HOW? I WAS APART OF MY WIFE FOR 20 YEARS, YET YOU HAVE YOURS BY YOUR SIDE AND STILL DECIDED TO BE UNFAITHFUL??? Alexander: I... I don't understand greek
He didn't even get seduced, most of the time he was on the beach crying for his wife while staring at the ocean. He gave up two divine figures for the mortal who understood him at his core.
What I love most about "No longer you" is the prophecy describes what will happen next on his journey. Song of past romance=Sirens Sacrifice of man=Scylla Portrayal of Betrayal/Brothers final stand=Mutiny
And it even describes his past life! Song of past romance = Penelope Sacrifice of man = The Infant Portrayals of Betrayal = the wind bag opening Brother’s final stand = Polites EDIT: Forgot about the infant that started this mess
I wanna say its just the artstyle but that little wolf animatic has Telemachus looking like an actual child when he's 20 at the youngest and its hilarious
Yeah that threw me off like this is a Young Adult. You could at least make him look like a teen if you were too afraid to make him look too simalier in age to his father.
Yeah, me too, but if it's their style is understandable that they might struggle to draw young people without making them look like children because of how young looking their adults already are. Though it inevitably makes me think that Antinous is beating a ten year old instead of a grown up 20 y/o young adult because of how thin and short Telemachus's limbs and height are (wider shoulders might have helped to make him look older, but he hadn't)
To be fair given how much they call him “little” and stuff bro does seem characterized much more childlike than he technically is. It’s an understandable “mistake” and slash or artistic liberty to make
Calypso hit him with a three combo: Ody (from Eurylochus), you'll stay in my heart (from his mom) and the final punch, stay in my open arms. She didn't just trigger him, she blown him into smithereens.
Yes, quite literally triggered his traumatic flashbacks is how it sounds 😅 And people are debating if she did it accidentally or knowing, since she's an... unhealthy individual, let's say
Lol I lately saw a meme animatic where Ody, instead of making the choice in thunderbringer, starts to seduce Zeus to save his crew (to the melody of there are other ways), and I think Eurylocus drinks bleach to escape seeing all that, it made me giggle so much 😂
I dont get why so many hate on him though. Like yeah their actions were stupid and obviously Odysseus chose himself. And in the original he was way dumber with what he did to Odysseus. But in this? Ody fucked up just as much by revealing his name wich is why this whole shit started. And being angry? Normal after you didnt even try to fight a beast and the captain just sacrificed 6 men. And even when killing the cows I dont really blame him. Cause Ody was ready to kill his men, so he probably would have killed them anyways if anything else came up.
@@ShyressA lot of people don’t think that much about Eury and it is annoying. Like yeah he did stupid choices but if you genuinely try to think in his point of view you can see why. You can still hate him even while thinking of it. What annoys me is the people that don’t even try to see his point of view because Ody is always right in their minds.
@@3nowStorm "you've got all the power you've got all the blame" - Eurylochus had all the power in that moment. He took it, and he's judged Odysseus by that measure, why shouldn't he be judged the same? Odysseus was betrayed. *That* is when he gave up on them. Not when they opened the bag against his instructions. Not when Eurylochus urged him to abandon his crew on Circe's island. When they betrayed him. Mistakes can be excused. Betrayal is final.
@@TricksterRad I mean... dude betrayed his own men by sacrificing them with no remorse to Scylla. And it's funny you bring up Eurylochus on Circe's isle, because he basically admitted it himself in Mutiny, Odysseus didn't leave behind anybody when it came to Circe, while Eurylochus thought it'd be a waste of effort to try and save them, and considering it took godly nepotism, from Eurylochus' point of view, it would have been a waste. And then Odysseus went and intentionally got six of his men killed. Odysseus truly betrayed his men first because deep down if it came to it he was willing to sacrifice everyone if it meant he got home. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Odysseus would have sacrificed Polites if he could to get home, even if he would regret it, he would have done it.
Interesting detail about God Games, the lyric, "tell your lover that a broken heart can mend" when Athena was verbally dueling with Ares is referring not just to Odysseus's mother, but to her own heart, which broke when Odysseus said all that crap in My Goodbye.
I feel like I should point out, Odysseus was more than a captain he's the KING of Ithaca, so Eury and the rest of the crew pretty much committed high treason in Mutiny
I never thought of that, so even if they DID return to Ithaca if word got around about what happened they would have been prosecuted and 100% executed. Crazy what committing mutiny towards your king can do.
@@anonymousnlonely3315 Highly doubt that, Odysseus was empathetic despite his best attempts and there are very few decent men in his land. Had they lived he would've had to go the rest of the journey with them so he'd probably forgive them by the end of it.
Eurylochus definitely did more damage by opening the bag, but I think there is an important distinction between him doing something that he didn't know would lead to the deaths of the crew versus Odysseus knowing full well what he was signing his crew up for. Plus, Eury and the crew are likely starving to the point of insanity, so, y'know, good judgment is in short supply.
To add to that; they believed that dying in the sea was a fate far worse than dying to Gods since your body will never be found and thus you cannot pay to cross the River of Styx.
@reimichacha That's not really their reasoning. Dying without proper funeral rites means you'd be stuck on this side of the Styx either way. Iirc the idea was that starvation was such a terrible way to die that anything was better. Maybe they could convince Helios to spare them by promising to build a temple for him when they got home, and if he still wanted to smite them, they'd be full and it would be quick.
Correct me if I’m wrong but there are only 2 sagas left *The Vengeance Saga* -Not Sorry for Loving You -Dangerous -Charybdis -Get In the Water -600 Strike *Ithaca Saga* -The Challenge -Hold Them Down -Odysseus -I can’t help but wonder -Would you Fall in Love with me Again
@@khoinguyen5004 Jorge did it partially to illustrate the point that the Odysseus that returns home is a monster! Every monster (not any of the gods, just the monsters) is marked by a song title that is just their name: “Polyphemus”, “Scylla”, then “Charybdis”. By simply naming this specific song “Odysseus”, it highlights the culmination of Odysseus’ ‘if I become the monster’ arc before Telemachus and Penelope help restore his humanity in their two songs that end the musical
Livestream explains so much and you will be able to fully understand. It's 93% animatics. Including a game version from the sole person whom is actually creating a video game for EPIC: THE MUSICAL
People in the comments misunderstanding Mutiny hurts lol (especially since one person wrote a paragraph based on the misunderstanding😅). They were on Helios Island and they killed his cows, not Apollo's.
@@stevenhedge2850sure, but they were helio's cows, Helios may be a titan but he's still a god, he's the sun, he's the sun titan. He's the sun god, apollo only moves the sun around
@@stevenhedge2850 It also dosen't help that Titain and God were kinda used interchangeably for Helios as well throughout mythology. It's only recently that we've started dividing the two into solid groups. And Rick Riordan helped a lot with that divide.
I like how they try to make you feel bad for the crew that constantly refuse to listen to odysseus, constantly went behind is back and then mutanied and are angry that he chooses himself over them
I would argue that the only thing Odysseus did wrong regarding Scylla was that he didn't tell the crew what was going to happen. Six lives to save everyone else was a necessary sacrifice, but he should have been up-front about it. Told them, "There's a way for us to get home, but we won't all survive it. I need six men who are willing to sacrifice themselves for the rest. I know this is a hard choice, but if we fight the monster that guards the passage, we're doomed, and if we do nothing we'll run out of supplies, assuming Poseidon doesn't come for us first. Six deaths now will prevent a slow death at sea for us all. I'll give you time to think it over, but know that whoever volunteers has my word as king that when we reach Ithaca, you will be granted the highest of honors, and I will see to it that your families are taken care of in your absence."
In the original story, there were two ways home, lair of Scylla or Charybdis (the son of Oceanus and Titan God of Whirlpools (if I’m not wrong)) if they went for the latter they would 100% all died.
Given how fractured the crew was, (Remember, their trust in Odysseus was waning after Polyphemus, with Eurylochus directly calling out and questioning his captain, brother-in-law and KING in "Luck Runs Out" in front of everyone.) This waning trust I feel is why Ody kept the wind bag for himself to guard, because as proven he couldn't trust his own men, who had just warned HIM about how dangerous gods are, correct when they believed the minions of the wind god over their king and captain. I'm of the firm belief that had he mentioned the plan with Scylla, even mentioning that the sirens said Poseidon HIMSELF was scared of Scylla, that they would have mutinied right then and there.
Fun callback to No Longer You, in the last chorus the whispering/disembodied voices in the background are actually foreshadowing for act two Jorge has given us the first part few lines, but the rest have yet to be confirmed They go like this: Siren's song! Sylla's throat! Mutiny! Thunderbolt! He also technically confirmed the last one (by process of elimination) and we have a pretty good guess for the second last
@@the_halfblood_witch599 ah i see! I've seen whirlpool be used since in the next saga right before get in the water(poseido n) there will be Charibdys' song
I just absolutely love how the animatic depicts that Odysseus was straight up trying to kill Eurylochus after finding out about the bag being opened by him. He wanted him to be one of the 6. only because of chance that he unknowingly lost the torch, did he live Scylla.
Alright before I get started, I know this will sound like a “Um Actually” type of statement but it is not my intended purpose. Instead I wish to use this as a way to inform more people about what mythology is and how it is interpreted by both modern and ancient civilization. In contrast to what twitch chat was telling CyYu when it comes to mythology there is no such thing as a canon version of events. When it comes to the Odyssey this was a collection of poems that were passed down through various methods including tapestry, pottery and most commonly poems through word of mouth. When Homer and other Greek poets like Hesoid were first putting these poems to scripture they were already around for a couple centuries beforehand. Homer just happened to be the most intact one we found in the modern era. Homer’s “The Iliad” and “The Odyssey” and Hesiod's “Theogony” due to how intact they were allowed us a better understanding of the stories that were being presented on Tapestries, Sculptures and pottery. Essentially these poems allowed us to rediscover Greek mythology and all of its intricacy. And one thing we learned almost immediately is that there are multiple versions of every Greek mythos. Because of how old lot’s of these poems are and how widespread they were, almost every greek island had its own version of each mythos. The Odyssey for example has many versions and while most follow the same framework. Depending on what themes or aspects of greek culture they wanted to emphasize would change the focus of the poem. In some versions they wish to focus on the patriarchal bloodline of the kingdom of Ithaca. And so the story will focus usually on the duality that is Pride and Arrogance, where they use the 108 suitors to represent the folly of unchecked arrogance and compare it to Odysseus and his journey to learn a kings pride and how it cements him as the rightful ruler to Ithaca in comparison to the 108 frauds. Other versions would focus on the mythological aspect of the story. And would focus its themes around the monsters and gods and what they represent to greek culture. For example one version has one of the many origins of the Greek God Pan in it where Penelope slept with all 108 suitors in a single night which resulted in the creation of Pan. But you will not find a lot of modern interpretations with this aspect of the story because having a story where a woman is allowed to sleep with 108 men and it’s not considered adultery doesn't sit well with rating boards like CARA. So when someone tries to say that this is cannon or this isn't cannon when it comes to mythology is running a fool's errand. To say something is canon is to imply there is only one correct version of the story, which would be spitting in the face to all the hundreds of different versions that the people who believed in these stories passed down as their own history.
Each of the heroes of Greek myth tended to have a defining flaw, such as Hercules' anger and Bellerophon's hubris (though hubris was a very popular one). Odysseus' defining flaw is his employment standards. His entire crew was morons and/or mutineers, and back at home, the people who should have been helping Penelope run things were instead squatting in her house wanting to sexually assault her. It is even worse in the actual myth - instead of the prophet giving vague warnings of 'someone gets home, no longer you', he just directly says 'hey, do not kill Helios' cattle, or everyone but Odysseus will die.'
Nah, the defining characteristic of the odyssey is hubris. His crew is directly described as being intensely loyal to him, that they remained loyal for 13 years before finally mutinying after being trapped on Helios’ island by Poseidon is a miracle itself. They chose death to a god rather than starving any further
The livestream we’re talking about is the one that’s ON Jorge’s channel where we watched the Wisdom Saga drop live! The stream CRASHED mid song for Love in Paradise. The chat was FREAKING OUT, chanting “Captain!!” Like it was the underworld saga. And Jay was able to fix the stream. But OMG it was just- SO GOOD❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉 But the personal joke I have of why the stream crashed was that Odysseus didn’t want to talk to Calypso so much that he crashed the stream or that Poseidon sniped it lmao. Gods have speedy internet I guess lol. BUT YEAH!!! IM SO HAPPY YOU REACTED TO EPIC!! THE VENGEANCE SAGA IS NEXT AND WILL BE AWESOME!!!
41:41 WAIT THE PIANO PATTERN ON ATHENA’S CLOTHES??? That’s such a good detail 43:31 OH AND THE OWL ON THE SPEAR?? I already realised it was on her chest plate, but also the spear?
To the guy going crazy in the chat with Helios and the sun god: Helios is the Titan of the Sun, yes, and Apollo is considered the god that guides the chariot that pulls the sun. As per the original writing of the Odyssey, the cattle on the island are Helios' cattle, and Jay just simplified things by calling him the Sun God instead of Helios. Whoever made the animatic didn't check that and so we got Apollo's statue instead.
“Something approaches” Eurylacus and 42 crew members had no idea where they were heading except Odysseus who knew that Scylla had a cost 6 heads, 6 torches, and 6 men it was a necessary evil to save 36 men or else Scylla would have killed all of them
Small funny thing from the siren songs, imagining odesseus trying to figure out what the siren is singing and trying to sing back is just really funny , especially since gigi , in her sufferring animatic pays an homage to it by making the lips of the fake penelope move a lot more accurately and bringing them in a lot more focus when she talks about scylla
To play devils advocate for Eurylocus, he has no experience with the divine like Ody did with years of training from Athena. He absolutely fucked up by opening the bag, but he couldn't have known it'd cause a storm that would push the whole fleet right to Poseidon. He also attempted to apologize multiple times. Odysseus never apologizes for sacrificing the 6, and when push comes to shove he did choose his family over his crew. So just from the perspective of the crew, he had failed as a leader in that moment and had no remorse. Eurylochus is then a starving man with a starving crew who found an island with cows everywhere. He is just a man, not a demi-god or a champion of one of the Olympians. Ultimately the true bad guys are all the gods just using these mortals essentially as playthings but everyone fucked up to some degree on this journey. Except Polites, he is best boi.
Exactly. People like to compare Odysseus's ploy with Scylla to Eurylocus opening the bag, but there is a world of difference between making a mistake that just so happens to cost people their lives and intentionally making said loss of life part of the plan in the first place. Eurylocus is far from innocent, but so is Odysseus
And if you stop to think about it, if he had returned home with the bag closed, Poseidon would have drowned the entire Ithaca to try to catch Odysseus, Eury was a hero
@@ophelia8019RIGHT. i'm tired of eurylochus hate without much thought 😭 most people don't even try to think about it and side with odysseus outright without realizing this a greek story and all of them are PAINFULLY mortal
@@diggydiggydwarf34 If you were a sailor on that ship and had done NOTHING significant except follow orders diligently and saw people randomly getting sacrificed just so you're questionable leader could bring back home the milk for his family, what would YOU do hmm?
WE didn’t leave you on the cliffhanger, Jorge did! 😃 (that one clip with someone going “you stole my cake” “not me, Blair!” “How dare she? I wanted that cake”)
The ONLY thing Odysseus did wrong was doxing himself to the Cyclops. Sparing him was fine but telling him your name was stupid. The crew fucked up the rest of the journey at every turn.
Who among us has not, at one point or another, pointedly doxxed ourselves to a bloodthirsty mythical being with, at the time, unknown familial connections to a powerful god because we were throwing a hissy fit with our best friend? It's truly a universal experience, I think everyone can understand and sympathize lol
@@stardustdemon8273 After they betrayed him by not following his command as the captain. He said don't open the bag, and they wait for him to fall asleep to open the bag. They disregarded his command, while it was fine that they had doubts he was still in command and had shown he'd do what he can to get them home, until they spark a mutiny, kill the ONE thing they were told not to by the prophet, and then get stuck down by Zeus, leaving only Odysseus alive.
@@jdreamerg okay but there’s a difference between intentionally killing people, and making a dumb decision that kills people. Anyways, they only kill the one thing they’re not supposed to because they’re starving, and no one trusts Ody enough to believe him anymore. Anyways, all I’m trying to say is that while the crew messed up majorly, I think we would be mistaken to believe that Ody is blameless for everything (except the cyclops). (This is just IMO) (Edit for grammar)
Definitely hope cy now gets in to hearing Jorge gush about all the music theory he built into it and how deep the instruments and vocals are designed to layer on each other. It’s so awesome and makes so many moments hit harder
12:46. The person who commented abt Eury not willingly letting the men die is correct. Ody let the 6 men die while Eury was just curious. 6 intentional deaths, 550 unintentional deaths. One takes power over the other. I’ll let you guys guess.
And mind you, had Ody not done what he did with the cyclops in the first place then no one would have died. And if people are going to blame Eury for all those men dying when he had no idea that would happen. We have to blame Ody for what would have happened had Eury NOT opened the bag, which would be Poseidon genociding the whole population of Ithaca.
17:02 YESSSS NEAL! Love their animatics. They’ve also done one for Ruthlessness too btw! Update: They just released one for God Games and it’s SOOOOO GOOD EVERYONE GO WATCH IT
the one thing i hate is when people say only Eury is in the wrong when they're both in the wrong Ody for not killing the cyclops and Eury for opening the bag. if Ody killed the cyclops Poseidon never would have hunted them, and if Eury never opened the bag they would have been home by now, but Poseidon would have known where Ody was anyway so still would of probably went to the island anyway.
Act 2 immediately hell yeah the thunder and Windom sagas are just back to back bangers i love all the songs from starting with the beautiful suffering to one of my new favorites that ive been listening to on loop (no i dont have a problem) GOD GAMES
As much as I love all the fan animatics the ones in the livestream I feel best showed certain moments for the Wisdom Saga. (Personally little wolf, Love in Paradise, and God Games.) I wouldn’t say re-react to them but just in your free time check out the livestream, or wait until next saga release because Jorge will probably be watching through all the sagas again like he did with the last two releases!
A fun fact for all those who don't know The Wisdom Saga BROKE the iTunes chart, 2 days after its release, the top ten was EPIC: the wisdom saga A random album Deadpool and wolverine EPIC: the troy saga (the remade one) EPIC: the cyclopes saga (also the remade one) EPIC the ocean saga EPIC: the thunder saga The greatest showman EPIC: the Circe saga EPIC: the underworld saga
It took me a while to become numb to Love in Paradise's gut punch. The Underworld's is the one that gets me because it's more drawn out and takes longer to build so it hits harder. Glad you're one of us Cy!
Cyyu while Thunder Bringer plays: No, no, no, no, no, no, NO!! I can't be that predictable! I can't be that based! People on Twitch are already calling me the "Lightning Guy" because of Cyno and Jing Yuan. I CAN'T DO A COVER FOR ANOTHER LIGHTNING GUY SONG!! Cyyu after listening to Thunder Bringer: Welp....I guess I'm covering it. I guess I'm truly the "Lightning Guy" now. FUCK!!
-38.08 "F-ing Musicals. I'm such a little b!tch." Rofl! Don't worry, we're all threatening to send our therapy bills to Mr. Jalapeno for breaking all of our hearts. I sobbed watching the live release of the Underworld, and the Wisdom Saga wrecked me. It started out, "Oh! This is sweet and fun!" then ended with "OH DEAR GODDESS, MY HEART HAS BEEN RIPPED FROM MY CHEST AND YEETED INTO THE OCEAN THEN FRIED BY LIGHTNING!"
Okay I'm dying over that thunderbringer animatic and Antinous' design in that first one had me hollering because my GOD xD also yes please do a cover of thunderbringer omg that would be so fun!!
They way my ass would have surprised Zeus with the SWIFTNESS of my choice. “Someone’s gotta die today and you have got the final say…You…or your-wait where the fuck did he go?” *Cut to Me With a MaiTai in my hand with shades on* “Yo! Thunder Dude! Zap them already, let’s get this show on the road. I. GOT. PLACES. TO BE.”
It’s easy to see how wrong Eury was on Helios’ island from the pov of the viewer, but in his shoes he and the crew were starving to death with no chance of food but the island. He says it himself that they weren’t making it home anyway. The only choices he had were a quick, divine death or a long drawn-out one via starvation. The only possible third option was to trust in Odysseus’ mind to find them all food… right after he sacrificed some of them for himself. What else could Eury have done in that situation other than die differently?
The scream I scrumped. Cannot wait for the Vengeance Saga or your reaction, hopefully by Halloween if the releases hold up but I’m not holding my breath till Christmas, just to be reasonable.
Whoever in chat said "THAT SHOULD'VE BEEN ME!" during Thunder Bringer does not know that you do not want it to be you. If Zeus has his attention on you like that, you will be cursed and/or turned into something XD
To be fair to Eurylochus, hunger and despair will make you do stupid things and the crew straight up was in the right. There is no way they would or should trust Odysseus once he started sacrificing them. “But he said to not attack the cows!” Yeah and he said they needed 6 torches. I don’t think they’ll believe what he says after that. Eurylochus isn’t innocent but pretending like Odysseus doesn’t share the blame is CRAZY. It’s not like that ignores the entire theme of the damn musical!
@@SES37 I raise you a "be suspicious as possible and trust nobody, only increasing suspicions further". I bet you good money that if he had trusted the bag to Eurylochus when he started getting tired instead of suspiciously and stubbornly trying to stay awake for 9 days, the bag would not have been opened. Also I raise you a "don't scream your name to the demigod"
A song of past romance: suffering The sacrifice of man: Scylla Portrayals of betrayal and a brothers final stand: mutiny On the edge of death: thunder bringer Draw your final breath: ??? A man who makes it home alive but it’s no longer you.
THANK YOU FOR UPLOADING THIS SO FAST i just came from part 1 of the reactions and cyyu’s excitement made me so fucking hyped for this musical all over again
SO hyped to see part 2!!!.... again! I totally went to the vod so I could watch the second part yesterday when I saw part 1 cause I couldn't wait! I wanted to see your reaction so bad!
neal illustrator (the one who did the thunder bringer animatic) also made animatics for ruthlessness and god games, which i'd HIGHLY recommend watching, they're both just as awesome if not even more so
Imagine if Jorge had actually gone into cardiology instead. So many creators- singers, animators, music producers, etc. So many would be drastically different.
You know the funny thing is I was 35 mns into this video after the first one, so more than one hour in half into this reaction thinking "his voice is familiar, why is his voice so familiar?" Well, my 1000 hours on FE3H and 200 hours on Octopath II suddenly realized why.
Fun fact: in the beginning of Love in Paradise Calypso notes that Odysseus talks in his sleep then when hes on the ledge uses parts of what his loved ones have said "I'll stay inside your heart" his mom in the underworld "stay in my OPEN ARMS" polites on the island and open arms is what starts his hallucinations on the ledge and then he yells out for his mom and then athena
One of the best parts of Suffering is that the Siren doesn’t have Penelope's instrument. It's one of many cool touches Jorge likes to fill the community in on.
I NOTICED THAT!!! OMG
Sirelope actually has the same instruments as Polites :3
@@hiwaga7399 That is heart shattering considering how polities was there for Odys 'good' parts, but then to hear his instruments with the siren during Odys 'bad' change is like,,, Jorge when we catch you Jorge.
It's also because Ody had beeswax in his ears, so the memories the Siren had were jumbled since she couldn't directly access them. It's why the instrumentation is off, mixing the motifs of two positive influences Ody has.
i believe its also the only usage of synth to really hammer in the unnatural tone
Fun fact: Jay loves how in Scylla it sounds like he’s saying “run for your lives” when it’s “row for your lives” and giggles while imagining the crew running from side to side on the boat😂
Oh no weeeeeee
Running in Little circles
I kinda like the "run for your lives" because in some animations Odysseus stays standing at the front of the boat cause he knows he won't die
*runs to the other side of the boat* "NOW WHAT?!"
@@eaglefan2569 "RUN AGAIN!"
Polities is literally used as pocket sand by Jorge just so WE NEVER FORGET HE IS, IN FACT, DEAD.
Me when my favorite character is introduced and about three songs later is *freaking dead* 😭
haunting the narrative
I SHOULDN’T HAVE BUT I CACKLED SO LOUD
@@owo4983
Not doomed by the narrative, not blessed by the narrative, but a secret third thing (haunting it with my voice)
@@asveses5730haunting the narrative?
A nice little hint to Athena is during the songs she doesn’t appear you can hear you piano in the background, but never hear her voice. Giving a hint at her subtly being there through her visions
I did not notice that and I am now curious as hell. Damn it!
Same for Hermes' harp in Puppeteer while Ody was talking to Eurylochus about wanting to save his men :>
The ticking of a clock too.
really? I don't hear it at actual songs
Well now I got to pay attention to that again cause I somehow missed that the first time.
I love how everyone has agreed that Zeus has a voice of melted butter lol
Lmao right ☠️
Mans voice texture: I can't believe it's not butter.
How do you think he gets bitches, they’re in there for his voice not his body/j
Like if Zeus was real and had that voice. I’d do him, like I can look past the cheating yk?
I mean, how else is he supposed to seduce people?
Should absolutely drag Monarch into this without telling her about the Different beast part
Oh, that’s a little evil, but it’s amazing
She's already heard it. She tweeted how she had listened to the whole thing
She’s reposted one of Jorge’s videos on TikTok before she’s a winion
@@todorokis_trauma_kettle darn was hoping to get a short out of her reaction
@@Schinak good idea though
The fact i saw someone say 'smash' when scylla revealed her true form in the live chat made me giggle💀
Ok but hear me out
Imagining Monarch
They’ve said smash to weirder things…
Was it Casper fox lmao
@@PanicBasedRiot T'was not. Casper Fox said "would" about Scylla design based on her voice actor (as seen in the official animatic on Jorge's channel). No shame there
Also, Gigi has such a crazy good grasp of dynamic camera movement and 3d perspective!
She actually jokes about that in the April fools day video with “obligatory 360’ shot”
GIGI HAS BRAGGING RIGHTS NOW CAUSE CYYU IS SUBBED TO HER!
It's what she deserves!❤🎉
Scylla killed 6 people because she has 6 hydra heads. In Suffering when Odysseus says "But Scylla has a prize..." he already knows that the prize is 6 men, 1 to feed each head, and that's why he tells them to light up 6 torches he KNOWS who he's sacrificing to get past there
Edit: Also Poseidon isn't there in god games because the gods she has to convince are the ones on the Trojan's side in the war, the ones that didn't side with Odysseus and the others fighting to get Helena back
Except hera was on the Greeks side and lat I knew Hephaestus is like one of the only gods who didn’t do anything for either side
Apollo, Aphrodite, and Ares fought with the Trojans.
@@hiwaga7399 yes but the op said all of the gods she had to convince were on the Trojan side which isn’t true. Hera was for the Greeks and Hephaestus stayed put of it from what I can tell
"Scylla has a cost" specifically, and I think you meant "price" not "prize", also the deities chosen were the ones that would be most opposed to Odysseus or Athena. 3 being opposed in the Trojan war is a given, with aphrodite and ares especially. Hera having a disdain for greek heroes is known (and being the third goddess who competed for the golden apple), as for Hephaestus, I think he tried to court Athena before and was spurned?
I mean, depending on what combination of myths you go with, God Games is just a family feud.
Athena is the child of Zeus, who sprange fully grown and armoured from his forehead.
Apollo is the son of Zeus and Leto.
Hephestus and Ares are the sons of Zeus and Hera.
Hera is married to Zeus.
Aphrodite is the one that depends on the mix of myths, because it is said she is married to Hephestus, but also is the lover of Ares and possibly Hephestus divorced her because of that, as Hephestus has a different wife in the Illiad but theres a story of him catching Aphrodite, who is his wife at the time of the story-within-a-story if i am remembering correctly, and Ares toghether in the Odyssey.
And to add to that, theres Aphrodite also has myth of her birth where shes the daughter of Zeus and a Titan (Dione? Unsure of spelling), tho i believe the more popular one is where she emerged out of seafoam as a full adult after Ouranous's severed nutsack fell into the ocean.
I think its a stronger angle than the Trojan thing, but to each their own
My guy ody is DEDICATED. Bro got seduced by calypso and was stuck on that island for 7 years YET the only women in his life that he wants is penelope..
Cough cough.. alexander.. cough cough "say no to this" cough.. ZEUS COUGH
Ody if he ever meets Alexander: HOW? I WAS APART OF MY WIFE FOR 20 YEARS, YET YOU HAVE YOURS BY YOUR SIDE AND STILL DECIDED TO BE UNFAITHFUL???
Alexander: I... I don't understand greek
He didn't even get seduced, most of the time he was on the beach crying for his wife while staring at the ocean. He gave up two divine figures for the mortal who understood him at his core.
Bet Hera and Meada wished Ody's cousin Jason had the same dedication to his wife
@tempesttatsumi6927 Yeah, because holy shit. Pissing off Hera is bad enough, but pissing off Zeus *AND* Hera? Dumbass move.
Don't let them read the truth
What I love most about "No longer you" is the prophecy describes what will happen next on his journey.
Song of past romance=Sirens
Sacrifice of man=Scylla
Portrayal of Betrayal/Brothers final stand=Mutiny
I think brothers final stand is more Thunder Bringer
@@okamikai218 could be
And it even describes his past life!
Song of past romance = Penelope
Sacrifice of man = The Infant
Portrayals of Betrayal = the wind bag opening
Brother’s final stand = Polites
EDIT: Forgot about the infant that started this mess
@@thelegitpilot135Sacrifice of man could also be the infant
@@SodaPoPSauce You're absolutely right, I totally forgot about that!
I wanna say its just the artstyle but that little wolf animatic has Telemachus looking like an actual child when he's 20 at the youngest and its hilarious
It's def the art style, in their other animatics Odysseus also looks much younger than his actual age lol
Yeah that threw me off like this is a Young Adult. You could at least make him look like a teen if you were too afraid to make him look too simalier in age to his father.
Yeah, me too, but if it's their style is understandable that they might struggle to draw young people without making them look like children because of how young looking their adults already are. Though it inevitably makes me think that Antinous is beating a ten year old instead of a grown up 20 y/o young adult because of how thin and short Telemachus's limbs and height are (wider shoulders might have helped to make him look older, but he hadn't)
To be fair given how much they call him “little” and stuff bro does seem characterized much more childlike than he technically is. It’s an understandable “mistake” and slash or artistic liberty to make
“Stay in my open arms”
Odysseus: **PTSD triggered**
Calypso hit him with a three combo: Ody (from Eurylochus), you'll stay in my heart (from his mom) and the final punch, stay in my open arms.
She didn't just trigger him, she blown him into smithereens.
Yes, quite literally triggered his traumatic flashbacks is how it sounds 😅 And people are debating if she did it accidentally or knowing, since she's an... unhealthy individual, let's say
@@elieli2893 I think accidentally as she didn’t even know who Penelope was
@@area52ron Just a speculation since she's been listening to Ody sleep talk for seven years I guess 😅
@@elieli2893 he’s been on her island for seven years and maybe as we don’t know if she needs sleep
19:22 there’s TikTok meme animatics of Zeus just dancing and throwing it back to this while all of Odysseus’s men are panicking.
Lol I lately saw a meme animatic where Ody, instead of making the choice in thunderbringer, starts to seduce Zeus to save his crew (to the melody of there are other ways), and I think Eurylocus drinks bleach to escape seeing all that, it made me giggle so much 😂
@@elieli2893"greet the world with open arms, not any other body part Ody!"
@@elieli2893 yeah I saw that, it was hilarious
Thunder clapping his cheeks
19:08 "we're all simps for Zeus" Unfortunately for you, he'd like that. Hera wouldn't.
And Hera will bother you about it. If Zeus didn't turn you into an animal or thing to protect you (Poor Io).
Eurylochus: "But we'll die"
Cyyu: "YOUR FAULT... AGAIN"
Love that
I dont get why so many hate on him though. Like yeah their actions were stupid and obviously Odysseus chose himself. And in the original he was way dumber with what he did to Odysseus. But in this? Ody fucked up just as much by revealing his name wich is why this whole shit started.
And being angry? Normal after you didnt even try to fight a beast and the captain just sacrificed 6 men. And even when killing the cows I dont really blame him. Cause Ody was ready to kill his men, so he probably would have killed them anyways if anything else came up.
@@ShyressA lot of people don’t think that much about Eury and it is annoying. Like yeah he did stupid choices but if you genuinely try to think in his point of view you can see why. You can still hate him even while thinking of it. What annoys me is the people that don’t even try to see his point of view because Ody is always right in their minds.
THAT WAS FUNNY AF 😭😭😭
@@3nowStorm "you've got all the power you've got all the blame" - Eurylochus had all the power in that moment. He took it, and he's judged Odysseus by that measure, why shouldn't he be judged the same?
Odysseus was betrayed. *That* is when he gave up on them. Not when they opened the bag against his instructions. Not when Eurylochus urged him to abandon his crew on Circe's island. When they betrayed him. Mistakes can be excused. Betrayal is final.
@@TricksterRad I mean... dude betrayed his own men by sacrificing them with no remorse to Scylla. And it's funny you bring up Eurylochus on Circe's isle, because he basically admitted it himself in Mutiny, Odysseus didn't leave behind anybody when it came to Circe, while Eurylochus thought it'd be a waste of effort to try and save them, and considering it took godly nepotism, from Eurylochus' point of view, it would have been a waste. And then Odysseus went and intentionally got six of his men killed. Odysseus truly betrayed his men first because deep down if it came to it he was willing to sacrifice everyone if it meant he got home. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Odysseus would have sacrificed Polites if he could to get home, even if he would regret it, he would have done it.
Neal Illustrator like worked overtime and supplied an animatic for Thunder Bringer in just 6 days after the Thunder Saga was released.
4. 4 days
Epic animators are all crazy people, they start dropping animatics like, almost the next day from song release 😅
Interesting detail about God Games, the lyric, "tell your lover that a broken heart can mend" when Athena was verbally dueling with Ares is referring not just to Odysseus's mother, but to her own heart, which broke when Odysseus said all that crap in My Goodbye.
Oh, i thought she was dissin her on hiw she constantly cheats on Hephaestus with ares and how hes long since been forced to get over it.
CY YU: Don’t you miss me?
Us: More than you know!
I feel like I should point out, Odysseus was more than a captain he's the KING of Ithaca, so Eury and the rest of the crew pretty much committed high treason in Mutiny
I never thought of that, so even if they DID return to Ithaca if word got around about what happened they would have been prosecuted and 100% executed. Crazy what committing mutiny towards your king can do.
@@anonymousnlonely3315 Highly doubt that, Odysseus was empathetic despite his best attempts and there are very few decent men in his land. Had they lived he would've had to go the rest of the journey with them so he'd probably forgive them by the end of it.
@@anonymousnlonely3315 Yeah pretty much, and it's likely that their family would get a blow back
It's really cool that his parents sang parts in these given they didn't initially approve of him pursuing this as a career
Eurylochus definitely did more damage by opening the bag, but I think there is an important distinction between him doing something that he didn't know would lead to the deaths of the crew versus Odysseus knowing full well what he was signing his crew up for.
Plus, Eury and the crew are likely starving to the point of insanity, so, y'know, good judgment is in short supply.
To add to that; they believed that dying in the sea was a fate far worse than dying to Gods since your body will never be found and thus you cannot pay to cross the River of Styx.
@@reimichacha yup desperation and suicidal thoughts (I think)
@reimichacha That's not really their reasoning. Dying without proper funeral rites means you'd be stuck on this side of the Styx either way. Iirc the idea was that starvation was such a terrible way to die that anything was better. Maybe they could convince Helios to spare them by promising to build a temple for him when they got home, and if he still wanted to smite them, they'd be full and it would be quick.
Ody litt said "there's a storm inside" verbatim and eurylochus trusted the winions over him for absolutely no reason whatsoever
@@kkTeaz Never said it was a smart move. Still not intentionally sacrificing people.
Dear lord it uploaded at like 6 in the morning here...im still gonna watch it. Someone we need a Winnion CyYu
*rubs hands together evilly*
I have been summoned 👹
Winnion wasabee
@@andrewchilds8886 YES
i love that part in the odyssey where odysseus says "i am the monster rawr rawr rawr"
25:26 "what a dork"
athena: hold your tongue now! that dork's my friend!
Correct me if I’m wrong but there are only 2 sagas left
*The Vengeance Saga*
-Not Sorry for Loving You
-Dangerous
-Charybdis
-Get In the Water
-600 Strike
*Ithaca Saga*
-The Challenge
-Hold Them Down
-Odysseus
-I can’t help but wonder
-Would you Fall in Love with me Again
What about King?
Still felt bad Jorge changed the name from "King" to "Odysseus"
@@khoinguyen5004 I mean, at this point Odysseus is no longer acting liek a king lol.
@@adamharith782 i guess, but King has a more impact than Odysseus imo
@@khoinguyen5004 Jorge did it partially to illustrate the point that the Odysseus that returns home is a monster! Every monster (not any of the gods, just the monsters) is marked by a song title that is just their name: “Polyphemus”, “Scylla”, then “Charybdis”. By simply naming this specific song “Odysseus”, it highlights the culmination of Odysseus’ ‘if I become the monster’ arc before Telemachus and Penelope help restore his humanity in their two songs that end the musical
Banana peels why? ✨You know I'm too shy✨
*tucks hair behind ear cutely * 👉👈
(I cringed so hard writing this help)
@@WolfheartedLunnaLoll 😂
@@WolfheartedLunna ✨ernd terefied✨
Not the banana peels 🤣
🍌BANANA PEELS ✨
Livestream explains so much and you will be able to fully understand. It's 93% animatics. Including a game version from the sole person whom is actually creating a video game for EPIC: THE MUSICAL
People in the comments misunderstanding Mutiny hurts lol (especially since one person wrote a paragraph based on the misunderstanding😅).
They were on Helios Island and they killed his cows, not Apollo's.
I mean that’s not misunderstanding the song that’s more people being confused of centuries of everyone calling Apollo the sun god
@@stevenhedge2850sure, but they were helio's cows, Helios may be a titan but he's still a god, he's the sun, he's the sun titan. He's the sun god, apollo only moves the sun around
@@stevenhedge2850 It also dosen't help that Titain and God were kinda used interchangeably for Helios as well throughout mythology. It's only recently that we've started dividing the two into solid groups. And Rick Riordan helped a lot with that divide.
I like how they try to make you feel bad for the crew that constantly refuse to listen to odysseus, constantly went behind is back and then mutanied and are angry that he chooses himself over them
@@alexattfield3885 They refused to listen a single time, with the wind bag, everything else is ody getting egg on his own face
I would argue that the only thing Odysseus did wrong regarding Scylla was that he didn't tell the crew what was going to happen. Six lives to save everyone else was a necessary sacrifice, but he should have been up-front about it. Told them, "There's a way for us to get home, but we won't all survive it. I need six men who are willing to sacrifice themselves for the rest. I know this is a hard choice, but if we fight the monster that guards the passage, we're doomed, and if we do nothing we'll run out of supplies, assuming Poseidon doesn't come for us first. Six deaths now will prevent a slow death at sea for us all. I'll give you time to think it over, but know that whoever volunteers has my word as king that when we reach Ithaca, you will be granted the highest of honors, and I will see to it that your families are taken care of in your absence."
True... I think the reason he didn't was he knew eury wouldn't volunteer and he wanted him gone. If only he hadn't dropped his torch
In the original story, there were two ways home, lair of Scylla or Charybdis (the son of Oceanus and Titan God of Whirlpools (if I’m not wrong)) if they went for the latter they would 100% all died.
That literally would not have worked considering how selfish the crew already is
@@obscurus4054To be more exact, it’s garanteed 6 dead, or a probability to loose all men.
Given how fractured the crew was, (Remember, their trust in Odysseus was waning after Polyphemus, with Eurylochus directly calling out and questioning his captain, brother-in-law and KING in "Luck Runs Out" in front of everyone.) This waning trust I feel is why Ody kept the wind bag for himself to guard, because as proven he couldn't trust his own men, who had just warned HIM about how dangerous gods are, correct when they believed the minions of the wind god over their king and captain. I'm of the firm belief that had he mentioned the plan with Scylla, even mentioning that the sirens said Poseidon HIMSELF was scared of Scylla, that they would have mutinied right then and there.
The smile Zues had when he told Odysseus that KNOWING he would choose to sacrifice his crew
Fun callback to No Longer You, in the last chorus the whispering/disembodied voices in the background are actually foreshadowing for act two
Jorge has given us the first part few lines, but the rest have yet to be confirmed
They go like this:
Siren's song!
Sylla's throat!
Mutiny!
Thunderbolt!
He also technically confirmed the last one (by process of elimination) and we have a pretty good guess for the second last
After thunderbolt it says whirlpool
poseidon
kill all the suitors for love
@@Solacedew Kill all the suitors for love 100% but there are a few other interpretations for _____ Poseidon (Run From Poseidon/Wrath of Poseidon) 👍🏼
@@the_halfblood_witch599 ah i see! I've seen whirlpool be used since in the next saga right before get in the water(poseido n) there will be Charibdys' song
@@Solacedew Either could be right! It’ll be exciting to see when Mr. Jalapeño finally reveals it 👀 ❤️
I just absolutely love how the animatic depicts that Odysseus was straight up trying to kill Eurylochus after finding out about the bag being opened by him. He wanted him to be one of the 6. only because of chance that he unknowingly lost the torch, did he live Scylla.
25:05 honestly for people who only have a vague idea of the odyssey, they might not realise this is Telemachus
30:26 20 year old child frfr
Alright before I get started, I know this will sound like a “Um Actually” type of statement but it is not my intended purpose. Instead I wish to use this as a way to inform more people about what mythology is and how it is interpreted by both modern and ancient civilization.
In contrast to what twitch chat was telling CyYu when it comes to mythology there is no such thing as a canon version of events. When it comes to the Odyssey this was a collection of poems that were passed down through various methods including tapestry, pottery and most commonly poems through word of mouth.
When Homer and other Greek poets like Hesoid were first putting these poems to scripture they were already around for a couple centuries beforehand. Homer just happened to be the most intact one we found in the modern era. Homer’s “The Iliad” and “The Odyssey” and Hesiod's “Theogony” due to how intact they were allowed us a better understanding of the stories that were being presented on Tapestries, Sculptures and pottery. Essentially these poems allowed us to rediscover Greek mythology and all of its intricacy.
And one thing we learned almost immediately is that there are multiple versions of every Greek mythos. Because of how old lot’s of these poems are and how widespread they were, almost every greek island had its own version of each mythos.
The Odyssey for example has many versions and while most follow the same framework. Depending on what themes or aspects of greek culture they wanted to emphasize would change the focus of the poem.
In some versions they wish to focus on the patriarchal bloodline of the kingdom of Ithaca. And so the story will focus usually on the duality that is Pride and Arrogance, where they use the 108 suitors to represent the folly of unchecked arrogance and compare it to Odysseus and his journey to learn a kings pride and how it cements him as the rightful ruler to Ithaca in comparison to the 108 frauds.
Other versions would focus on the mythological aspect of the story. And would focus its themes around the monsters and gods and what they represent to greek culture. For example one version has one of the many origins of the Greek God Pan in it where Penelope slept with all 108 suitors in a single night which resulted in the creation of Pan. But you will not find a lot of modern interpretations with this aspect of the story because having a story where a woman is allowed to sleep with 108 men and it’s not considered adultery doesn't sit well with rating boards like CARA.
So when someone tries to say that this is cannon or this isn't cannon when it comes to mythology is running a fool's errand. To say something is canon is to imply there is only one correct version of the story, which would be spitting in the face to all the hundreds of different versions that the people who believed in these stories passed down as their own history.
Woke up at 4 earlier l, saw the act 1 reaction, now it's 9, about to sleep and saw ur act 2 reaction
TRUEE
i literally have school tomorrow and i just need to see just a clip
Each of the heroes of Greek myth tended to have a defining flaw, such as Hercules' anger and Bellerophon's hubris (though hubris was a very popular one). Odysseus' defining flaw is his employment standards. His entire crew was morons and/or mutineers, and back at home, the people who should have been helping Penelope run things were instead squatting in her house wanting to sexually assault her.
It is even worse in the actual myth - instead of the prophet giving vague warnings of 'someone gets home, no longer you', he just directly says 'hey, do not kill Helios' cattle, or everyone but Odysseus will die.'
Nah, the defining characteristic of the odyssey is hubris. His crew is directly described as being intensely loyal to him, that they remained loyal for 13 years before finally mutinying after being trapped on Helios’ island by Poseidon is a miracle itself. They chose death to a god rather than starving any further
“Row for your life” “How can you run you’re in the middle of the water “ 10:25
The livestream we’re talking about is the one that’s ON Jorge’s channel where we watched the Wisdom Saga drop live! The stream CRASHED mid song for Love in Paradise. The chat was FREAKING OUT, chanting “Captain!!” Like it was the underworld saga. And Jay was able to fix the stream. But OMG it was just- SO GOOD❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉 But the personal joke I have of why the stream crashed was that Odysseus didn’t want to talk to Calypso so much that he crashed the stream or that Poseidon sniped it lmao. Gods have speedy internet I guess lol.
BUT YEAH!!! IM SO HAPPY YOU REACTED TO EPIC!! THE VENGEANCE SAGA IS NEXT AND WILL BE AWESOME!!!
It was a great time, everyone shouting "CAPTAIN PLEASE" and whatnot.
nah fr fr I was there
it was glorious chaos ✨
@@potattt-elu truly the most glorious chaos I’ve ever seen
@@Asteelyman13 AND I WAS THERE. I DID IT TOO
41:41 WAIT THE PIANO PATTERN ON ATHENA’S CLOTHES??? That’s such a good detail
43:31 OH AND THE OWL ON THE SPEAR?? I already realised it was on her chest plate, but also the spear?
To the guy going crazy in the chat with Helios and the sun god: Helios is the Titan of the Sun, yes, and Apollo is considered the god that guides the chariot that pulls the sun. As per the original writing of the Odyssey, the cattle on the island are Helios' cattle, and Jay just simplified things by calling him the Sun God instead of Helios. Whoever made the animatic didn't check that and so we got Apollo's statue instead.
Also the fact he’s saying god and titan is a big difference is just wrong. Titans are just an older generation of gods-Hellenic Pagan
“Something approaches”
Eurylacus and 42 crew members had no idea where they were heading except Odysseus who knew that Scylla had a cost 6 heads, 6 torches, and 6 men it was a necessary evil to save 36 men or else Scylla would have killed all of them
Small funny thing from the siren songs, imagining odesseus trying to figure out what the siren is singing and trying to sing back is just really funny , especially since gigi , in her sufferring animatic pays an homage to it by making the lips of the fake penelope move a lot more accurately and bringing them in a lot more focus when she talks about scylla
I saw how everyone was simping for Zeus in the live chat, if it makes it better Zeus would simp for most of you as well
To play devils advocate for Eurylocus, he has no experience with the divine like Ody did with years of training from Athena. He absolutely fucked up by opening the bag, but he couldn't have known it'd cause a storm that would push the whole fleet right to Poseidon. He also attempted to apologize multiple times. Odysseus never apologizes for sacrificing the 6, and when push comes to shove he did choose his family over his crew. So just from the perspective of the crew, he had failed as a leader in that moment and had no remorse. Eurylochus is then a starving man with a starving crew who found an island with cows everywhere. He is just a man, not a demi-god or a champion of one of the Olympians. Ultimately the true bad guys are all the gods just using these mortals essentially as playthings but everyone fucked up to some degree on this journey. Except Polites, he is best boi.
Exactly. People like to compare Odysseus's ploy with Scylla to Eurylocus opening the bag, but there is a world of difference between making a mistake that just so happens to cost people their lives and intentionally making said loss of life part of the plan in the first place. Eurylocus is far from innocent, but so is Odysseus
Finally someone who's actually thinking about the perspective of the sidecharacters
And if you stop to think about it, if he had returned home with the bag closed, Poseidon would have drowned the entire Ithaca to try to catch Odysseus, Eury was a hero
@@ophelia8019RIGHT. i'm tired of eurylochus hate without much thought 😭 most people don't even try to think about it and side with odysseus outright without realizing this a greek story and all of them are PAINFULLY mortal
@stomyn kindof like killing a cow and sacrificing everyone anyway?
How appropriate would it be for Cy to cover “Thunder Bringer” considering… you know.
?
@@arche5639 Probably referring to Jing Yuan bringing the thunder.
@@anaplaysstuffOH TRUE😂
@@anaplaysstuffcyno to!
Euralucus opened the bag not expecting the storm ody sacrificed the men fully knowing the outcome
And blaming Eurylachus for getting 550 men killed completely ignores that Posiden killed them specifically because of Odysseus.
Except he wanted to leave the men for circe to eat and opened the bag AFTER Odysseus said it had the storm inside. Did you all just miss that orrrr???
It was either 6 men with scylla, or all of them to charibdys or all of them to poseidon. Which one would you choose? Hmm?
@diggydiggydwarf34 if not for Hermes intervention Odysseus would have turned to a pig and Eury would have been right
@@diggydiggydwarf34 If you were a sailor on that ship and had done NOTHING significant except follow orders diligently and saw people randomly getting sacrificed just so you're questionable leader could bring back home the milk for his family, what would YOU do hmm?
WE didn’t leave you on the cliffhanger, Jorge did! 😃 (that one clip with someone going “you stole my cake” “not me, Blair!” “How dare she? I wanted that cake”)
Just finished watching Act one and now we are on ACT TWO BABYYYYY
ONCE AGAIN IM HONORED 😭😭 and this time u get to see my recent work not my 4 month old work YIPPEEE 🎉🎉🎉
The ONLY thing Odysseus did wrong was doxing himself to the Cyclops. Sparing him was fine but telling him your name was stupid.
The crew fucked up the rest of the journey at every turn.
Who among us has not, at one point or another, pointedly doxxed ourselves to a bloodthirsty mythical being with, at the time, unknown familial connections to a powerful god because we were throwing a hissy fit with our best friend?
It's truly a universal experience, I think everyone can understand and sympathize lol
Ody intentionally sacrificed his men tho 😭
@@stardustdemon8273 After they betrayed him by not following his command as the captain. He said don't open the bag, and they wait for him to fall asleep to open the bag.
They disregarded his command, while it was fine that they had doubts he was still in command and had shown he'd do what he can to get them home, until they spark a mutiny, kill the ONE thing they were told not to by the prophet, and then get stuck down by Zeus, leaving only Odysseus alive.
@@stardustdemon8273 For clarification, in the book. The Prophet tells them not to kill the Cattle of the sun god and only Odysseus listens
@@jdreamerg okay but there’s a difference between intentionally killing people, and making a dumb decision that kills people. Anyways, they only kill the one thing they’re not supposed to because they’re starving, and no one trusts Ody enough to believe him anymore.
Anyways, all I’m trying to say is that while the crew messed up majorly, I think we would be mistaken to believe that Ody is blameless for everything (except the cyclops).
(This is just IMO)
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Definitely hope cy now gets in to hearing Jorge gush about all the music theory he built into it and how deep the instruments and vocals are designed to layer on each other. It’s so awesome and makes so many moments hit harder
12:46. The person who commented abt Eury not willingly letting the men die is correct. Ody let the 6 men die while Eury was just curious. 6 intentional deaths, 550 unintentional deaths. One takes power over the other. I’ll let you guys guess.
And mind you, had Ody not done what he did with the cyclops in the first place then no one would have died. And if people are going to blame Eury for all those men dying when he had no idea that would happen. We have to blame Ody for what would have happened had Eury NOT opened the bag, which would be Poseidon genociding the whole population of Ithaca.
@@CalixionArtz literally this.
Im so glad youre reacting to my fav musical😭😭
Ares: “Pathetic and weak like his SON”
Athena: “So you have chosen, death.”
RIP Eyepatch Guy. You will be remembered
Calypso: **Calypso uses flirt**
Odysseus: she’s my wife
Calypso: **it wasn’t very effective**
17:02 YESSSS NEAL! Love their animatics. They’ve also done one for Ruthlessness too btw!
Update: They just released one for God Games and it’s SOOOOO GOOD EVERYONE GO WATCH IT
the one thing i hate is when people say only Eury is in the wrong when they're both in the wrong Ody for not killing the cyclops and Eury for opening the bag. if Ody killed the cyclops Poseidon never would have hunted them, and if Eury never opened the bag they would have been home by now, but Poseidon would have known where Ody was anyway so still would of probably went to the island anyway.
Act 2 immediately hell yeah the thunder and Windom sagas are just back to back bangers i love all the songs from starting with the beautiful suffering to one of my new favorites that ive been listening to on loop (no i dont have a problem) GOD GAMES
As much as I love all the fan animatics the ones in the livestream I feel best showed certain moments for the Wisdom Saga. (Personally little wolf, Love in Paradise, and God Games.)
I wouldn’t say re-react to them but just in your free time check out the livestream, or wait until next saga release because Jorge will probably be watching through all the sagas again like he did with the last two releases!
A fun fact for all those who don't know
The Wisdom Saga BROKE the iTunes chart, 2 days after its release, the top ten was
EPIC: the wisdom saga
A random album
Deadpool and wolverine
EPIC: the troy saga (the remade one)
EPIC: the cyclopes saga (also the remade one)
EPIC the ocean saga
EPIC: the thunder saga
The greatest showman
EPIC: the Circe saga
EPIC: the underworld saga
It took me a while to become numb to Love in Paradise's gut punch. The Underworld's is the one that gets me because it's more drawn out and takes longer to build so it hits harder. Glad you're one of us Cy!
They could never make me hate you Eurylochus, my poor hungry baby. 🤣💕
Yes yes exactly he just tried to protect him and his friends he suffered so much. They could never make me hate my boy Eury.
I literally just finished watching act 1 with you, and this was uploaded 3 mins later 😭
Cyyu while Thunder Bringer plays: No, no, no, no, no, no, NO!! I can't be that predictable! I can't be that based! People on Twitch are already calling me the "Lightning Guy" because of Cyno and Jing Yuan. I CAN'T DO A COVER FOR ANOTHER LIGHTNING GUY SONG!!
Cyyu after listening to Thunder Bringer: Welp....I guess I'm covering it. I guess I'm truly the "Lightning Guy" now. FUCK!!
NEAL ALSO ANIMATED RUTHLESSNESS YOU HAVE TO WATCH IT! IT IS INCREDIBLE
-38.08 "F-ing Musicals. I'm such a little b!tch." Rofl! Don't worry, we're all threatening to send our therapy bills to Mr. Jalapeno for breaking all of our hearts. I sobbed watching the live release of the Underworld, and the Wisdom Saga wrecked me. It started out, "Oh! This is sweet and fun!" then ended with "OH DEAR GODDESS, MY HEART HAS BEEN RIPPED FROM MY CHEST AND YEETED INTO THE OCEAN THEN FRIED BY LIGHTNING!"
45:49 we... actually can't take the suffering from you. But, we're in it together. So yeah!
We listen to epic together, we suffered together! 😂
Just finished you act one video when this popped up. Can't wait for more!!!
There is an INSANE Animatic for "God Games" which is literally like a game. You should def give it a try
Okay I'm dying over that thunderbringer animatic and Antinous' design in that first one had me hollering because my GOD xD also yes please do a cover of thunderbringer omg that would be so fun!!
They way my ass would have surprised Zeus with the SWIFTNESS of my choice.
“Someone’s gotta die today and you have got the final say…You…or your-wait where the fuck did he go?”
*Cut to Me With a MaiTai in my hand with shades on*
“Yo! Thunder Dude! Zap them already, let’s get this show on the road. I. GOT. PLACES. TO BE.”
It’s easy to see how wrong Eury was on Helios’ island from the pov of the viewer, but in his shoes he and the crew were starving to death with no chance of food but the island. He says it himself that they weren’t making it home anyway. The only choices he had were a quick, divine death or a long drawn-out one via starvation. The only possible third option was to trust in Odysseus’ mind to find them all food… right after he sacrificed some of them for himself.
What else could Eury have done in that situation other than die differently?
Crew: "We are the men made monsters"
Odysseus: "Cut off their tales"
Crew: "He is the man made monster"
Apollo honestly sounds exactly how I expect him to in this.
The thing is the lives that were lost because of Eurylacus was an accident but the lives lost because of Odysseus was on purpose
Cy Yu: you mother f**ers left me on a cliffhanger?!
Chat: 🎶you will face the suffering with us🎶
its 6 in the fucking morning ty for posting
I'd love to see a cover of Thunder Bringer or a Scylla cover collab with Monarch.
The Vengeance Saga is out now idk if you've already streamed listening to it. Jorge streamed it live at 9:30 on October 30
The scream I scrumped. Cannot wait for the Vengeance Saga or your reaction, hopefully by Halloween if the releases hold up but I’m not holding my breath till Christmas, just to be reasonable.
Whoever in chat said "THAT SHOULD'VE BEEN ME!" during Thunder Bringer does not know that you do not want it to be you. If Zeus has his attention on you like that, you will be cursed and/or turned into something XD
To be fair to Eurylochus, hunger and despair will make you do stupid things and the crew straight up was in the right. There is no way they would or should trust Odysseus once he started sacrificing them. “But he said to not attack the cows!” Yeah and he said they needed 6 torches. I don’t think they’ll believe what he says after that. Eurylochus isn’t innocent but pretending like Odysseus doesn’t share the blame is CRAZY. It’s not like that ignores the entire theme of the damn musical!
I raise you a "Don't open the bag".
@@SES37 I raise you a "be suspicious as possible and trust nobody, only increasing suspicions further". I bet you good money that if he had trusted the bag to Eurylochus when he started getting tired instead of suspiciously and stubbornly trying to stay awake for 9 days, the bag would not have been opened. Also I raise you a "don't scream your name to the demigod"
@AmericanBrit9834 tbh, they could have opened it at ithaca, they were close to the Coast
@@Ange.revolte Spoiler Alert for an unreleased song:
That would have had Posiedon just flooding the entire isle and killing everyone
@@AmericanBrit9834 you mean get in the water?
A song of past romance: suffering
The sacrifice of man: Scylla
Portrayals of betrayal and a brothers final stand: mutiny
On the edge of death: thunder bringer
Draw your final breath: ???
A man who makes it home alive but it’s no longer you.
43:13 fun fact Poseidon actually has a bigger body count than Zeus
THANK YOU FOR UPLOADING THIS SO FAST i just came from part 1 of the reactions and cyyu’s excitement made me so fucking hyped for this musical all over again
SO hyped to see part 2!!!.... again! I totally went to the vod so I could watch the second part yesterday when I saw part 1 cause I couldn't wait! I wanted to see your reaction so bad!
neal illustrator (the one who did the thunder bringer animatic) also made animatics for ruthlessness and god games, which i'd HIGHLY recommend watching, they're both just as awesome if not even more so
Jorge is a GENIUS!!! I LOVE this musical!!!!
24:00 the animations in the original Wisdom saga stream are better because they had more time to work on them
Penelope’s instrument is the viola but in suffering there isn’t any violas hinting that it isn’t Penelope
Imagine if Jorge had actually gone into cardiology instead. So many creators- singers, animators, music producers, etc. So many would be drastically different.
You know the funny thing is I was 35 mns into this video after the first one, so more than one hour in half into this reaction thinking "his voice is familiar, why is his voice so familiar?"
Well, my 1000 hours on FE3H and 200 hours on Octopath II suddenly realized why.
...Jing Yuan singing Warrior of the Mind and Thunderbringer would be fantastic. you know it would be.
Cy Yu, wait until the next saga comes out. Get in the Water is the pne I've been anticipating for a HOT minute!
Fun fact: in the beginning of Love in Paradise Calypso notes that Odysseus talks in his sleep then when hes on the ledge uses parts of what his loved ones have said "I'll stay inside your heart" his mom in the underworld "stay in my OPEN ARMS" polites on the island and open arms is what starts his hallucinations on the ledge and then he yells out for his mom and then athena
NOw like the rest of us Cyu must wait for the rest of the musical.
I’m so excited for the Cy Yu covers!!!!!