TOP LEVEL FIST OF THE NORTH STAR GAMES!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ม.ค. 2023
- Remember when you guys told me to play Fist of the North Star Hokuto No Ken? Well, I had a chance to commentate some of the best high level Fist of the North Star HNK sets over at @big-one2ndchannel128 during my time at Japan. The amount of insane stuff I've seen was incredible to watch in person! I hope you guys enjoy it as much as I did.
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The fact that combos in this game cause so much screenshake that it feels like there's an earthquake going on is probably the single most Hokuto no Ken thing about this game.
A fully balanced game!
😅 yep
It can't be unbalanced if everyone is unbalanced.
@@vahlok1426 lol indeed
Marvel balance
You right but for do that stuff you really Need to be pro...its really hard i tried some combos and u Need to be so precise for loop that shit
The only licensed fighting game with canon power levels.
Seeing these busted old combos really makes me feel like I'm witnessing some kind of forbidden, arcane knowledge. I like the mental image of a bunch of Japanese dudes wearing black robes in a smoke-filled room; masters passing down the most broken of combos to their students.
The smoke is from the dudes chain smoking at the cabinets all day.
😄
The fist of the north star and the fist of the south star must never clash it breaks the game!
Jagi's "money in the bank" is actually a gasoline canister. When he uses it, even if they block, the other guy is more susceptible to Jagi's match/barrel attacks (does more damage).
Also, fun fact, my Atomiswave cart of this game is the one that was dumped to MAME.
Not all heroes wear capes.
If thing about cart is true, you're a GigaChad.
When everyone is busted, no one is. Yes, even "low-tier" Jagi.
An interesting kind of balance approach. Sadly unpopular with fg companies.
@@carlosaugusto9821 DNF seems to follow suit by buffing everyone instead of nerfing when it comes to update patches
Tho the closest to HnK when it comes to everyone being broken is Sengoku Basara X, which was also made by ASW
@@carlosaugusto9821 ultimate Marvel vs Capcom is a almost perfect exemple
The final Fatal KO we see Shin do is an amazing homage to the anime. Shin was Kenshiro's rival and he betrayed him over a woman and poked holes in his chest before Kenshiro was left for dead, only to return as 'Fist of the North Star', where Shin was 'Fist of the South Star' I believe
That 80's anime movie was hard. As a kid, I thought it was the shit.
Ninja scroll was great as well. It came out at the same time as Samurai shodown 2. You'll see a lot of resemblances between that game and this anime.
I was like why Shin? Why? Is it her massive forehead that turned you on?? ... Did he think that she had massive head game?
@@bigshorty4855 Fist and Ninja Scroll are simply 🧑🍳😘.
Can't remember if Jagi was East and Raoh was west star I think.
@scurfy I had/have the dub on vhs. They only mentioned north and south.
@@bigshorty4855 yeh I think that might be an original language version thing
It is hilarious seeing Justin get astonished 😂
Commentary pops off when he gets excited, I love it.
2AxN > 2B > c.C > C+D > 6 > 2C > air dash > j.B+E > j.214D(+E depending on distance)
There is a LOT of possible routes to go for Raoh's Sai Loop, this is the most basic one.
@JWonggg....Oooooops! Looks like we got a new vid on the way.
This route specifically is usually done after the first wall combo. So it will usually be after something like
2A 2A 2B fD CD6 cC 2C IAD jB sai > 2A xN (about to 18 hits) into the combo you posted
The hit count matters a lot for Raoh cause it messes with the pushback off CD6 combos.
An extra note:
When doing this route in particular at the 18th or so hit, you’ll need do the IAD jB sai as 2C > 7 > 66 jB+E > j214D+E
It’s super awkward and I personally do a different route
Nice! Maybe you can upload a video for the demo?
How the heck do you learn this game, where is the tech explained?
@@airthrowDBT I think there's a HnK community on Dustloop and EventHubs.
Competitive HnK play proves to me there’s a sort of horseshoe curve to fighting games: people will like your game if it’s reasonably well balanced and if, with proper knowledge and execution, anyone can win.
But people will also like your game if it’s a completely unbalanced mess, with tons of touch-of-death combos, busted characters and other such jank.
And both are beautiful to see in their own way.
touch of death makes sense with hnk.
Funny enough,that "dribble" is actually part of a system which was intended to prevent infinite combos,so yeah,the infinite combo antisystem made infinite combos possible
I am a programmer,i kinda can explain how this system work but i'm not sure if it's correct,so anybody who has more knowledge,feel free to correct me.From my knowledge,arcade games are written in assembly(some maybe in c/c++,not sure,the ideea is that arcade hardware has memory limitation and you need a programming language that let's you manage memory entirely)a language that i don't know how to use(if someone manage to find it translated in a high level language like c/c++,i would understand it).
The ideea is that the longer the combo gets,the greater the pushback gets and harder the enemy will hit the ground to the point where you need to be extremely fast to hit at the right time,but it will become impossible because you will get pushed back too far away.
My guessing is that the key to cheat trough this system is dependent on the pushback.In case you noticed,if you manage to land a certain combo,the pushback get reduced a lot.
Probably the pushback stacks multiplicatively and the game use some predefined values for pushback,you will notice that ground and air pushback are not the same,pushback in air combos is lesser than pushback produced in ground combos.At some point in the combo,the pushback get reduced greatly and from what i tested,it happens only if you land some air hits/combo.I tried to do the dribble thing without sending the enemy in air,but i couldn't(i used cheats to get infinite boost,also,i'm not a good player,maybe someone managed to do it).Also,the height and pushback don't seem to be really dependent on each other,you can manage to increase the height of enemy bounce,but the pushback is reduced
@@doarunomintrecere8594 essentially correct. The system was to make the person in the combo to hit the floor faster, however there was no knock down programmed in; so they just keep bouncing back up hence the dribble.
Here’s an example Raoh combo that’s semi-universal (practice it on Rei):
From round start, no starting resources
2AA 2B fD CD6 AC 2147D 2A xN (up to about hit 18) 2B cC CD6 AC 2147D+E 2A x10 2B cC CD~E (boost during CD hitstop to side swap) 2147D 2A x11 2B fD CD+E (mash E until you run out of boost) 2147D 2A x10-11 2B fD CD6 214214B 2B+E 2A xN (til about hit 80) 5A xN > Rei dies
Some notes:
Sai > 2A is a 2f link for that first 2A
The side swap CD~E during hitstop is a 2f window
The TK sai’s don’t need to be negative edged, but it is 1000x easier if you do negative edge them because it buffers the sai command up to its minimum height.
This HAS to be done with infinite boost turned OFF otherwise the part after the side swap won’t work. In real matches, if you have too much boost on the side swap, you can do different enders.
Let me know if you want a video example, I can record it with the swiftness. Additionally, if anyone has any questions about Raoh or the game I can probably answer them
Soooo....are those jabs actually all 1f links?
Nah, they're 2 or 3 frame links. As long as you mash at a constant speed it will work. I used to have this on the PS2 back in the day and pretty much every normal in this game has insanely lenient cancel windows. That's why all these combos are so butter smooth
I'd check out a video tutorial if you ever post one up.
How's the fc2 with flycast emulation/netplay?
Not all wear capes😌
The OST of this game is SO damn good.
Arcsys went all out with the same effort put in their own brand games. Not every company works that way with an anime game.
I still keep Toki's bgm in my iphone playlist.
That Musou Tensei to run the timer out at 6:15 is just 🤣
These combos be crazy. It's like Raoh just grabbed your foot and stabbed it as punishment for bringing home a bad report card.
That is literally what Raoh would be like as a dad
More like he stabbed through his foot to other persons foot
This video showcase of this game just tells me there's 1 rule and that's "Get touched = Death"
"Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru"
"Nani?"
Hey, I was the guy who said that about the feet stab, I just couldn't believe how consistent that guy was, really insane execution he dropped like 2 or 3 combos maybe in the whole session, it was crazy and when he dropped he died, rofl.
I want more of these. I'm HELLA digging the tourney vids with the Wong commentary.
The Relentless Rushdowns is a sick band name.
In so happy this game still gets played. I don't think there's a single fighting game that gets as wild as this.
This isn't wild. It's literally broken garbage. 😂
@@watchmesquatch I'm assuming you can't handle marvel and the like
Where can I play this game besides Fightcade?
@@Josh.JustJosh. I mean that's really the main place. I suppose you could find an arcade in Japan with the machine still and people playing it, too.
@@JackgarPrime damn lol I’d like to casually go thru the roster and just see how busted the characters are. I love Fist of the Northstar and didn’t realize Arc made a fighting game from the IP until a few months ago. I didn’t realize it has a reputation for being so buck fusted either 😂
Justin + Fist of the North Star = WIN. So. Cool you put the commentary and video together!
TBH, I have no idea why we ever played another game after Fist of the Broken Star came out. It is perfection
I watched this video 3 times already. Something about the game and the combos (or the commentary) is just addictive.
basketball of the Northstar
I asked for more Hokuto and you delivered.
Even more is needed
Raoh's foot stab > 2A is a 1-frame link if I'm not mistaken (maybe 2-frames at most), so...have fun timing that online 🙃
And yeah, the basketball combos are hard in general, so good to hear you give respect to the players for doing them consistently 🙂
That Raoh player was a menace to society
@@QuantemDeconstructor Honestly, as a Juda main, I can't even be mad 🤣
It’s a 2f link yeah! It’s not too hard to be consistent at either (though online is another story). In the arcade one of the reasons you’ll see drops at the 2A is that some stages (Toki and Shin especially), the game lags to shit which can throw off the timing, but that isn’t reflected in the fightcade version
Raoh combos have all kinds of tricks to them beyond just the 2f link, too. Nice thing is that you don’t have to learn too many combo variations to get started killing fools with him cause most of his routing is universal.
I visited A-Cho back in ‘09 and saw people playing this. Talk about fighting game insanity.
@12:15 Pause, bro! Lmao😂😂😂😂JK, I love watching Justin.
I love the fact that you give this amazing game your time!! It’s great to see you expose this to your audience! You need to make a push to help get this game get a re-release to our current console! That would be the shit!❤
It's complicated because it's related to an anime brand that Arcsys doesn't have unlimited control of, different from their own games like GG.
Similar situation to why Capcom isn't also free to rerelease MvC and CvS games if they want to. Or in a more similar example, Capcom's Jojo game... They can't rerelease whenever they want because the brand doesn't belong to them.
This arcade videos are so much fun Justin thank you for this.
This video was insane!!!! Loved this new game. We need more content of this game. Don’t get hit lol
HNK gameplay is literally just like an anime it's insane
This is really one of the sickest fighting games ever. Like a 1 vs 1 MVC.
FINALLY! This game has been brought to light!
I have watched Japan stream this game time and time again, Around 11 to like 1:00 in the morning In America, broad daylight they're out there executing these combos without even batting an Eye at the screen😄it's ridiculously godlike
damn good content, I appriciate how even if you arent the expert we see just the cream of the crop high level stuff anyway.
More Hokuto no Ken content?
HELL YEAH!!
I’d definitely be here for the Raoh combo challenge. Genuinely interested in how hard that combo is
Finally. Been waiting for you to play this game.
I didn't know combos like this were possible
This is a tournament footage, but he actually played HNK himself in the channel, check the past videos
Great commentary!🔥😂
Best manga/anime to game adaptation if ive ever seen one, one hit and you're already dead.
Wow that's some crazy ass combos
We all saw the madness that X-Men: COTA, X-Men vs Street Figther and Marvel Super Heroes brought when it comes to sheer brokenness.
Arc Systerm Works just told us to hold their saké with Fist of the North Star.
This is some sick expert gameplay!!! 😃
I was so happy when Shin won at the end. This game was always good fun.
I loooove this game, been following it since the mid 2000’s
aaah I was wondering how they started streaming on your twitch sometimes, like with Bas' channel. Makes sense. And it also rules as does this video! woooo
I bag on Justin a lot in many of his videos. But here- he’s just enjoying the game… not trying to sound too ghetto. I liked this video. Good commentating.
You could say they took the "You're already dead"-gameplay literally
I'm surprised it wasn't all Toki mirrors! 🤣
The energy of this game truly fits the series 😂
THIS IS AMAZING! I wish I knew how to do all of this!
Why would you want to waste your time on a game like this? Lol
Great video Justin.
HNK = Goated 🐐
those raoh combos are wild!
This is incredible!
This is easily the best thing I've seen all day. Thanks so much. Don't get hit!
And people thought UMvC3 was one-touch death. This game is so crazy, I'd love to see it at EVO.
Now this is a fair game🤣 especially combos remind me of the anime
0:26 dude was handing some serious else left and right
Touch of death at its finest haha 😂
Love the commentating as always, how is this game fair to play in a tournament with combos like that
Love this game.
It so nasty!
Thanks for showing this game love JWong! Bring more!
I can watch this game for HOURS!
This game has combos like a DBZ to show. I like when you do the destroy move the music changes.
We've all heard of footsies but this is the first time we all learn about jabies
Back in 2008-ish, I tried learning the Raoh combo (on pcsx2). Of course I'm in no way have godlike execution like these players, but it's surprisingly quite doable until about 25 - 30% damage. And it's very fun to do the combo!
this game is hilarious to watch i love it xD
“No we don’t need a combo break mechanism, just don’t get touched, I’m prove your defense bro.” 😂😂😂😂😂
So what does Musou Tensei do in this again? I thought it was a side switch parry of sorts that you can opt to do after activation(using that fire stocks above the super gauge), didn't know it has actual use in combos
Glad to see that you're finally getting deep into some fist of the North Star 🌟 👍
For me this is the classic fighting game that never was because it never really came out in the United states. But it's so good man! The combos! The characters! Even the stages are really well done and this is probably the most underrated fighting game out there...
Also want to give a shout out to a fighting game called fate on the PSP and Playstation 2. It's published by Capcom and is a 2.5 d fighting game that is really fun to play!! That would definitely be another great fighting game to feature on your channel...
I played it a lot on ps2 with swap magic.
@@bigshorty4855 I remember purchasing swap magic with the flip top fat PS2 mod thinking it was a scam LOL! 😂. I was blown away when I made a copy of soul Calibur 3 and it actually worked using swap magic. I really didn't use it much because the Xbox was much more popular at my household but I did play gun and persona 3 using swap magic...
But still the funniest part to me is the fact that I purchased it believing I was getting scammed and I just wanted to see what they sent me because you have to remember that swap magic just came out of nowhere and no one really knew the origin of it at the time...
@bryant nonya man, I think I had a couple 100 games. Many Japanese exclusives. Ace, yakuza, berserk, mushime same, dodonpachi, all the fighters. There are too many to name.
@@bigshorty4855 I guess I did play genji dawn of the samurai and Shadow of the Colossus on burned copies. Also I did have a decent collection of burned games but I had stacks of legit PS2 games and stacks of PS1 games and stacks of Sega Dreamcast games so I did it more for the novelty and only in the case of persona 3 because I really wanted to play the game...
Now the Xbox on the other hand was a system I had a lot of downloaded games for! I even had 120 gig hard drive, a tsop custom rom flash and an FTP server setup from my computer to my Xbox media center so I could retrieve the games immediately upon download... I could also offload a lot of my downloaded videos to my computer and watch them over the network using Xbox media center. I actually still have that Xbox to this day and hopefully it's in working order but I haven't used it in over 10 years LOL
Bro you gotta look up the Rei basketball combos!🤣🤣🤣
This game is the answer to "how messed up is messed up?"
Ahhh Good ol Basketball No Ken
Chinatown Fair had one of these cabinets a long time ago. I remembering getting an imported version of this game on my PS2. A lot of fun, but can be annoying to learn. They should remaster this game and fix some of these mechanics.
Two words Justin. Kusoge perfection.
Man I wish this game would get a proper modern day port. Been saying this since 2007.
It's not broken, it's accurate to the source material. A single hit can be fatal
i love this game and i wish it came stateside back then.
I frikkin love watching this game
"You Got Hit, R.I.P." The Game.
lol this is about how it went for me playing ranked in MK11 for the very first time. My feet never hit the ground in some games.
That was insane.
So basically what I got from this exhibition in FotNS is... Don't get hit 😆
Fist of the North Star Was a Real Video Game That People Played Competitively for Money
First of the north star is so awesome raoh is a absolute beast if you get hit it's all over and oh course he hits the fatal ko good job Justin for sharing this with everyone
Thank you so much Justin Wong I appreciate you so much I love this game the fist of the north star is so awesome raoh is a absolute beast if he gets going it's all over
Thanks for liking my comment I really appreciate you so much fist of the north star is a absolute awesome game I enjoyed it so much raoh is a beast in the game love the fatal ko
Love this game. Arcsys needs to make a new one, Hope sega gets in the fg devs roundtable next time they have one.
Better : Jump Force done right (Shonen Jump FighterZ)
@@CommenjouerFr-gplus To me the best possible follow up from DBFZ. That would actually repeat history like Capcom started with a pure X-Men fighting game, then next time went right for a Marvel crossover fighting game.
Sad that Arcsys never made a sequel shortly after the original for balancing and adding the Kaioh arc chars. You know the classic type of fg sequel.
The animation sprites are beautiful
Jagi: Say my name.
Raoh: no.
"is not broken if everyone can do it" - perfect balance
You sure these fighters and not basketball players cause that dribble game is immaculate
Fist blew my mind as a kid.
"Youre only good as your last game - ....oooooh....."
LMAO
This game was tha ORIGINAL Dive kick lmao ha ha :D
Love this game, only fcked around with it against bots but its easily my favourite HnK game. I have no clue how to do these combos tho
Justin Wong: "That's not balanced"
Programmers of this game: "BALANCE IS FOR THE WEAK!"
I would like to see the hands as these combos are being done. How many buttons is this game?
Love this game I know ther was a lot more to it going on it soon to try this 100 hit combos but it's one hit kills moves I like
Holy shit! They're actual arcade cabinets!
I have a "back up" copy for my PS2. Game is crazy.
bro everyone in this game is fucking insane, the players have to just be laughing it up and cracking jokes when the other person drops the combos
This is how fighting games look to casuals