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When I meet these standards. I can’t imagine how jacked I’ll be. Life will be complete
Bro. His weight is off.
Back day is my favorite.
And my back is insanely strong.
But when he said. 50 lb weight pull ups. I started laughing because im doing 50lb weighted pull ups but they are mcgill pull ups. 2 rep max for 6 to 8 rep max n trust me after the first 2 reps. You will be struggling.
I think his numbers are off unless he is talking about Body builders tht dont Work. Gym only and do comp.
@@82PeRKwhat you just said makes sense. A lot of these workout regimes revolve around sedentary lifestyles. That’s why a skinny guy working construction jumping on a 6 day program will only fail.
@@82PeRKI think so too I ran these numbers I also applied some
@@82PeRKFor my body weight, some of these are just unrealistic
One thing im so grateful for in your videos is virtually zero machines!! I for one am sick and fukin tired of “ how to build” videos that require a gym with expensive machines!! You show old school techniques THAT WORK
''Big Muscles Move, Big Weights.'' - L. Simmons
A natural lifter need to get strong to gain muscle, that's the truth
Looking Great man on your Profil Picture 👍🏻
@@Bob-ke1kzThanks Bob 😎👍
That’s absolutely false
You have no muscle and ur clueless
@@analogcrunch4716 prove that it's false then, Oh, wait you can't 🤣
Some people are more or less genetically gifted for athletics and aesthetics. I love the comment by Peter about comparing where you are with where you started. I’m fairly strong, but I drink a lot of beer. And I’m not gonna quit. So, I’m heavy. I train pull ups. It takes me 5 sets to hit 20 reps. I benched 315 after just a year of lifting. Deadlifted 405 after just 18 months. But I’m chubby. Not very aesthetic. However, my physique today versus when I started two years ago is the comparison to make. Making good progress. Not jacked like some of y’all, but strong and always improving. That’s the good stuff. Keep at it, y’all. In these days and times, being strong in body gives mental strength that is much needed. God bless.
Excellent advice! For me, I am only competing with myself from a month ago and strive for incremental improvements while also living a full life.
I'm the opposite. Im naturally lean. However i did try to bulk once and did powerlifting and i think it helped my bodybuilding. Now i don't go crazy on the weights anymore. I don't need to. I think you should try leaning for a while just to see what it's like. You might not like it. You might want to go back to your usual weigh but at least you'll know.
@@alexandrudinca3080 Fair enough. Maybe I’ll give it a go.
@ColonelEMHouse A lifestyle that allows you to be strong and a little heavy (sounds like you enjoy life) is one that you can sustain over a lifetime. Very few really "jacked" guys can sustain the kind of discipline it requires over a lifetime, especially as your job becomes more challenging, you get married and begin having children and a family. Would not change a thing - have fun and good luck!
@@williamnewsome5169 yessir. God bless.
Lyle McDonald noticed many of his powerlifting clients build muscle faster than the bodybuilders. Because in powerlifting the progressive overload is built right into the sport. But many bodybuilders get lost in fluff and pump, tempo etc.
Me:
1. pillar push ups;
2. pillar inverted rows;
3. pillar pull ups;
3. back squats;
4. conventional DLs.
for the first two exercises, elevate your feet.
for the first three exercises, use a weight vest.
for pull ups, add an ankle weight.
hope this helps...
More weight = More tension, so if you can do more weight for the same amount of reps/time as another lifter, you will be spending the same time under greater tension so will grow more.
Using lighter weights after burning out with heavy is probably the way to get the most out of every muscle fiber type
I weigh 200. Been lifting for 2 years. Started at 40 years old. I'm up to 100 lb db for 5 to 7 reps. My goal was 120s but now it's 130s 😅
I think his wieght is off. Especially when he said the db flat press
Lololo 135lb in each arm. Srrh id like to keep my joints. They are alreadh fcked
Yes agreed. You need a good ammount of strenght potential and base strenght. You do not need to peak for it but you absolutely need to get stronger over time
My good friend is a classic physique bodybuilder. He also benches 450lbs raw for triples.
You kept it real. Good video bro. ✊🏾🙏🏾💪🏾
People argue about strength vs size in the context of 1rm. For chrissakes, if you push yourself hard enough to get bigger you will get stronger in the rep ranges. Besides, who doesn’t want strength with their size?
I feel like specific strength is required and usually happens anyway when you’re big. What I mean is that you have to have a big curl to have big biceps, probably a strong barbell row for a big mid back, or in general have to be strong at whatever movements you do to get big.
Wrong explain to me why powerlifters don’t have anything you mentioned especially nattys
@@analogcrunch4716 a ton of powerlifters aren’t natty. This is my observation on elite naturals on TH-cam. People like GVS, Bald omni man, Alex Leonidas, Basement bodybuilding, and Natural Hypertrophy all have strong curls and big biceps. They are strong at the lifts they do and are also jacked. Even tested powerlifters usually aren’t natty, moreover the ones at a world class level also have world class genetics. Someone like Matt Vena who I believe to be natty has big muscles in the primary movers of SBD but his other muscles are lagging behind, same with Justin Lee as well.
@@analogcrunch4716 Because they are fat (most of the best natty powerlifters) and the fat covers their muscle definition. Powerlifters are generally extremely muscular. They are just 30% body fat so you dont notice as much.
I once watched a guy with toothpicks for legs squat 400 pounds. Most impressive and at the same time, scary lift I've ever seen 😅
There’s tons of strong guys in gyms most don’t look good
The mystery of his space that Keeps hounding me..
What was his form like though ?
Haven’t seen any powerlifter with a BIG bench and small pecs.
I’m a big believer in doing training blocks for both for regular Joe’s
Suree , there are many exercisesthat help yu to get power and strength as clean lift and others back then (40s 50s 60s 70s) and was essential for ur training routine without them u can't lift heavy weights
I hit all these standards....and yeah you right I'm pretty jacked.
Stronger muscle is bigger muscle. Bigger muscle is stronger muscle... Dont complicate this... Heaby weight for 8-12 reps period
Franco Columbo or Serge Nubret ( I think) said I dont need to press 400lbs, I just need to LOOK like I can press 400#
According to the sport they competed in, that statement isn't incorrect, but it still is the case that to look like you can press 400 lbs you have to actually be able to press close to 400lbs.
Franco was immensely strong in bench, squat and deads
That's really strange. I am nowhere near the bench standards but I am very close to the row and pull standards. I'm nowhere near the squats standards but am very close to the RDL standards.
This is just my opinion, but doesn't that huge discrepancy add to the list of reasons why strength standards have issues as a concept? It's not like I haven't tried with bench and squat. My rows and pulls kept going up while my bench and squat would stall for months on end. And they were more dependent on how heavy I was.
I am stronger at pulling like you as well. As a result i`m dense and thick from back, mediocre from front.
You're a puller!
My question to any gym goer when we start talking workouts is, "are you a pusher or a puller?"
It’s probably your individual anthropometry and levers
Hey Pete, can you make a video going over how to set up days on a torso and limbs split?
A stronger over time program is the answer. Look at john grimek, craig monson
Pete, what do you think of chest/bis, back/tris/shoukders, legs split? Pros cons?
I think you should have added standards for isolation too. People are just gonna focus on these lifts and let their arms stay neglected, resulting in spider physique
@@joaqu7002 close grip bench press and weighted chin ups work the arms, isolations are for definition and a small amount of muscle growth, that's it
@@KingAdjust how big are your arms?
@@joaqu7002 I'm a novice with 15' arms, nothing super impressive yet, but I'm starting to notice changes every time I progress on my big compound movements
@@joaqu7002 the word "spider physique" is ridiculous, people who say that people who do only compounds will lag in their arms, which is false, and total assumption, I guess they mean lagging in definition? It's an overused term usually said by the average Reddit fluff and pump guy, these people also dismiss that the big 6 compounds are not the only ones, and there are variations that work the arms more, I don't see improvements in my triceps until I progress on my bench press, and close grip bench press, isolations haven't done much for me size wise
@@KingAdjust around the same level, but I notice changes in the arms when I progress on curls and extensions and they don’t really grow from compounds. Except for chin ups, but I am disproportionately strong on those
Peter you look phenomenal 💯. Amazing physique. Great video.
Thanks Pete
What about the military press for big shoulders?
Poor time economy and low SFR. Much better ways to build shoulders than the standard overhead press. I love the lift, don’t get me wrong, and I got up to 297.5 lbs on it strict (couldn’t quite hit 300😤), but it’s overrated as an upper body builder, imo
Its a front delt movement. So great for front delts.
@@Ojthemighty yeah buddy, but a variation that emphasizes the lateral delts is a deep behind-the-neck press. I’m talking burying the bar to where it’s starting at almost mid trap level. It’ll humble you like a motherfucker at first and it requires a lot of starting strength and mobility, but it puts the side delts in a lengthened stretch like nothing else
I think these numbers get a little off the heavier you get because at 268 that would put me at 405lbs bench press for 5-10, I do not believe that is achievable natty except for the 0.001 percent. My chest is not Arnold big by any means but it is big and at 268 my chest still pokes out past my stomach and is very visible in a shirt as muscle. I’m only able to flat press 315lbs for 2 strict reps as well
0.001 % is ridiculously low😂
You gotta train for strength in order to train for hypertrophy
lol no you don’t at all clown 🤡
Spot on 💯👍💪
I don't do isolations, and instead do compound movements reverse pyramid training style for 2 sets, this has given me great results, more than isolations, the strength gains are better with this style imo, so I'd say a powerlifting style with RDL'S, close grip bench press, more compound variations than typical powerlifting and doing reverse pyramid training so there's a rep range variety is the way to go imo, I do each movement twice a week and progress on them, this is working well and is fun to do 1 hard heavy set, then lighten the weight so I'm not pre fatigued on a 2nd heavy set and can get a bit more volume
lol 2 sets 😅
@@analogcrunch4716 yes, so 4 sets total in a week per exercise- 2 heavy, and 2 light sets
@@KingAdjustI know I said before that you can get great results training suboptimally, but that’s WAY suboptimal. I have to walk back what I said about training like you’re enhanced, because that Mike Mentzer, Dorian Yates HIT stuff DEFINITELY won’t cut it for natties. At least 6 hard, quality sets to where you’re down to 0 or near 0 RIR is probably the minimum at where the great gains start. In fact I think that’s a great way to train if you can keep progressing long term on it
@@BUFFALO_cougar_slayer if I'm training to failure it's not suboptimal, if I'm progressing, and noticing results why would I change it? More recovery, high intensity, progressive overload, eat, sleep, repeat high volume made me plateau every workout, what makes 6 sets better than 4 sets?
@@KingAdjust hey man, if it’s working, then don’t dare change it! You’re lucky to get a great response off low volume, so may as well take advantage of that
Now do one for isolation lifts
Height is important Is the lifter 5’6 200 pounds or 6’2 200 pounds
What percentage of the "really" jacked bodybuilders you reference at the gym that lift the poundages you specify are using gear? Can naturals get "jacked" while obtaining the strength levels you specify? As a natural, I can do 56 chin-ups but hardly any when adding 50lbs. Would be lying if I said your strength standards are not highly intimidating. I train 4 - 5 days per week for 1.5 hours per session (double split - 2 days on, one day off, two days on...etc.) and look very good for the time I invest. Enjoy your channel and information rich videos.
Hey peter do your classes do any video calls, if so how to schedule
Every powerlifter at my gym looks bad, some how decent traps from heavy DLs most have awful arms and yet they bench 5 plates ask yourself why !! Oh they are on gear as well
Doing everything possible to make it possible to lift the weight, just look how they bench.
Powerlifting: how to lift lots of weight without actually getting stronger.
I like to know if u train 73 year old powerlifter lifting sense age14 competing sense age 35. Drug free and no trt. Competed in 22 bench 214 and dead 314.Just competed in Louisiana
Bench 214 and dead 314. So didn't loose anything but no strength gain. Age 73 slim build ,work out 5 times a week intense. Why not?
What should I do if I hit a strength plateau?
If able to pull heavy weights you describe and you do not do the maximum amounts, will you not lose strength such that body recalibrates to weights actually being used?
Heavy weight for high reps
Im only 8 weeks into first bodybuilding , 210 lbs but can only bench 60kg total for 8 reps , do i just keep going with gradual progression and conistency and in time it will occur considering im hitting my protein goals
Lmao, not gonna lie but this video makes me wanna be super jacked and I need more improvements. Appreciate the content.
I wonder what it is like to be a content creator and have to sift through the off-the-wall questions, comments, and just plain rude remarks. Mr. Khatcherian is giving these videos with incredible clarity, knowledge, and in my book generosity of spirit. I am very grateful for these terrific instructional courses.
Do you do yate rows ?
Yes strenght is size, high volume is for juiceheads
wake up babe. peter khatcherian uploaded.
No
Ohp and biceps stds?
100% you do not need strength to gain size. I see big weak guys in the gym all the time.
🎉🎉🎉
The main issue with people is they will focus so much on lifting numbers, but with bad form and technique in regards to hypertrophy.
When you progress with your weight lifting, and lifting heavier weight, you need to end up focusing on your hypertrophy technique.
I know someone who is huge who lifts less than skinny guys. But he lifts with slow and strict form and stays in the stretch for insane amounts of time. And the skinnier guys are lifting a lot of weight, but fast and with bad form.
A sword needs to be hit hard a thousand times to be made a sword. Same with muscles. Volume plus hitting heavy weights is just the right spot. It is the only logical approach in the gym.
Only dudes abusing gear will tell you that you will grow from volume and not strength. This guy is on steroids
I can bench 1.2Xbw for 5, squat 1.65Xbw for 5, pullup 0.4Xbw for 5, rdl 2Xbw for 5 at 15 years old. is this good?
Do you know your test levels?
Blood test at the doctors. If you suspect you have low testosterone try to find the source of why there's many reasons. If you don't know why then try to have a diet more focused for testosterone production, sleep more, lose weight safely/slowly if you are overweight, go lift heavier etc.
Barbell Row
😂😂
Unironically when I did barbell rows the way Pete described them I felt like my torso and back expanded more than pull-ups lmao
No elite bodybuilders train like these new science nerds none, you shouldn’t do extreme ROM or stretching you shouldn’t do 2 sets and top and back off you shouldn’t do low reps. I’ve trained with numerous guys who were on Olympia stages and newsflash none train that way.
After almost 14 years of construction sites and 10-12 hours shifts i can guarantee you i make most of the wannabes gymbros cry in the corner
Emphasis on “most”. The other 20% will make you feel like you hammered your body for 14 years 12 hours a day while they sat in a cushy office and trained for 1.5hrs a day but are still stronger and most probably better looking than you. Turn down the ego mate
@@kaysquare2 oohh shot i forgot to mention that i also hit the gym mate, my bad, after all those days and years of hammering my body i did it with brain. My brother and my Sister where in the bodybuilding yet they never reached strenght or stamina Just looked like sculptures Indeed. Guess i hit your Nerve,mate my ego never goes away so take a seat in the corner
You look small though
@@cristiancosenza1848 Go sleep, you got a long day tomorrow. I’ll work from home while I make more money than you
@@jylongbun8790 of course. I bulked up for 4 months with heavy lifting before i got to work i didnt get as big as my brother Who did that profesional. The good part is the genétics in my family i have to admit they are all in very good shape. I play with my body weight all the time, lose weight, gain its easy for me. But my brother can keep up with me with his weights and trust me he goes big
Every capable man should be able to bench 3 plates, squat 4 plates and deadlift 5 plates within their lifetime. Not sure why we have lost our way with these standards. That's fucking old skool.
I’d like to add: a 2 plate strict overhead standing press and 10 strict sternum-to-bar dead hang pull ups. The latter makes sure we hit all these standards while staying lean and fit, because that is VERY hard to do if you’re dreamer bulking lol
Damn. I am at 2 and half plates benchpress, 3 plates squats, 4 plates deadlift.
How come no overhead press?
❤for🇮🇳 the pro😊💪
Find a skinny person that squats 400x10 lol
Guys, don't fall to the classic strength fallacy. Save your joints and CNS.
You're welcome.
Pump is more important and great bodybuilders always knew this. Even prisoners now can’t lift they do tons of pump work with basics and are bigger than gym bros and powerlifters because they train for tension and pumps. Sure if a weight is very light you go up but too many of you go way way too heavy. Most of you use front delts to bench and db bench press and it’s why you lack pec development
Someone show me a science based guy who pushes this strength garbage and no pump garbage!! It’s so off base I feel bad for people doing this lol
Nope 18 inch arms I don’t bench over 185 never tried I know how to train
But how much can you curl? I’d imagine it’s a lot.
@@chonkeboino idea you shouldn’t train to chase a number, bodybuilders should always chase a pump like all golden era guys did 10-15 reps pump sets full tension rock on muscle most of you don’t train for hypertrophy you do your dumb top set 6-8 nonsense and no volume so you’ll never grow it doesn’t work
@@analogcrunch4716 wait are you natty? Also having no idea how much you curl could end up proving his point if it ends up being a lot.
@@analogcrunch4716 also that advice is terrible, the pump doesn’t cause growth and essentially all golden era bodybuilders were on gear.
@@chonkeboiI’m natty I don’t do some stuff. Dips close grip and barbell curls are all you ever need for big arms do one exercise each and tons of sets for a huge pump that’s how elite bodybuilders train arms.
This 2 set 8 sets ohh I got so strong lol absolutely nonsense
You don’t need to be strong and shouldn’t train for it, muscle knows work and tension only. When weights go up guys focus on moving a weight between two distances not stressing the muscle how come none of these turd science guys ever look good lol? Name one who does who worries about strength and studies stupid.
@@analogcrunch4716 "turd" "stupid" you do realize these are toddler insults, right?
@@KingAdjustyou do realize you lack intelligence? Every elite bodybuilder trains for a pump in fact if you don’t achieve a pump it’s good indicator you either didn’t do enough or don’t train right. Even watched Jay Cutler at 50 say he just hit back and did it until he achieved a pump. This 2 set low rep is garbage 🗑️
That’s true, but honestly, you’re going to get strong af BY ACCIDENT if you’re training hard, eating, and resting. It’s unavoidable. Might not be world class powerlifter or strongman strong, but a heck of a lot stronger than your average human or even chimp. (Fun fact: chimps aren’t anywhere near as strong as pop culture thinks they are; they’re only slightly more powerful than the average-sized, untrained male)
@@BUFFALO_cougar_slayer he's fucking clueless, do you actually expect him to understand anything?
@@BUFFALO_cougar_slayer he's fucking clueless, do you actually expect him to understand anything?