Removing oil can effect

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  • Removing dents with hammer and dolly can cause the oil can effect. Means the material got streched and there's now too much. With heating up to red hot, hammering gently flat and quenching you can shrink it again.

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  • @R1davies
    @R1davies ปีที่แล้ว +13728

    Used this technique on my fuel tank. It was fire not gonna lie

    • @emilioalvarez8006
      @emilioalvarez8006 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +146

      Good one!

    • @TheRealGavBak
      @TheRealGavBak 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +84

      I see what you did there

    • @Jeremy.Bearemy
      @Jeremy.Bearemy 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +99

      "It would seem we've all learned a valuable lesson here today"

    • @MarcoSilveira2886CF
      @MarcoSilveira2886CF 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @farmbear1231
      @farmbear1231 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Made me laugh

  • @aerohk
    @aerohk 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6671

    Tried this technique today when repairing a Boeing 737MAX left wing fuel tank. The job went smoothly, I think it will fly great. Thanks for the tutorial 🙏

    • @sandordugalin8951
      @sandordugalin8951 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +159

      What plane? I'll make sure to avoid it.

    • @stephenallen4635
      @stephenallen4635 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +574

      ​@@sandordugalin8951you should avoid every boeing 737 MAX, that's the joke.
      its because theyve found a growing number of quality control issues at their factories and planes have started blowing apart mid air

    • @aidanburke4006
      @aidanburke4006 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +120

      Flight must have been a blast !

    • @ommsterlitz1805
      @ommsterlitz1805 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You should always avoid boeings they have the highest rate of incidents and than any other planes@@sandordugalin8951

    • @QuinnShaw
      @QuinnShaw 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

      @@stephenallen4635 I mean, they figured out the bolts on one door weren’t fastened correctly on a number of planes. Has there been another issue? Just curious.

  • @HetTheWitch
    @HetTheWitch ปีที่แล้ว +14152

    Ah yes, the century old trick of hitting the object until it’s the way you want. Never fails.

    • @TheM2heavy
      @TheM2heavy ปีที่แล้ว +29

      @@angelvaldez1775😂

    • @astral1506
      @astral1506 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      ​@@angelvaldez1775damn😂

    • @gawdzalien2811
      @gawdzalien2811 ปีที่แล้ว +476

      Works on my girlfriend 😂

    • @dannyherrera2163
      @dannyherrera2163 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      ​@@angelvaldez1775😂😂😂 same lol

    • @walterbrunswick
      @walterbrunswick ปีที่แล้ว +32

      ​@@angelvaldez1775As an 80's baby, I can relate

  • @cubicinches18
    @cubicinches18 ปีที่แล้ว +3871

    This is a Panel Beaters method of shrinking steel, however don't use a carburizing flame as it will introduce carbon to the metal always use a normal flame. Also practice the skills of actualy using a hammer and dolly otherwise you will find that instead of shrinking the metal you are stretching it and chasing it all over the panel. The art of shrinking steel is usually learned after many hours of learning how to shape and work steel cold.
    Yours sincerely
    Old School Panel Beater

    • @Astrnauted
      @Astrnauted ปีที่แล้ว +35

      What is the technical term for panel beater? Sheet metal Fabricator?

    • @cubicinches18
      @cubicinches18 ปีที่แล้ว +218

      @@Astrnauted A panel beater is a panel beater primarily repairs motor vehicles but has other skills of a sheet metal worker and coach builder. A genuine panel beater will make you any car panel starting from a flat sheet of steel or aluminium

    • @CoreyBrisson
      @CoreyBrisson ปีที่แล้ว +84

      That is a classy comment right there, my man.

    • @SUB2-TypicalCity-MancunianWay
      @SUB2-TypicalCity-MancunianWay ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Yea and once you start hammering with the plenishing hammer, start on thr outside and work ur way to the middle.

    • @porcupinepunch6893
      @porcupinepunch6893 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      ​@@Astrnautedauto body specialist

  • @balthazargerards
    @balthazargerards 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2308

    Instructions unclear, my car looks like the moon now

    • @nhitc6832
      @nhitc6832 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      😂😂

    • @1nfamyX
      @1nfamyX 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      Moon cars are in vogue tho

    • @crocodil.13
      @crocodil.13 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      You are the best🤣

    • @jhitt79
      @jhitt79 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Now that’s funny.

    • @givemeanameman1
      @givemeanameman1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      That would actually be cool, done in stainless and left as is... would actually look like craters.

  • @user-re9nt3bu6g
    @user-re9nt3bu6g 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +95

    Used this technique on my old fuel tank. It worked a treat. My facial reconstruction is next week. Wish me luck. 👍

    • @gascarengine
      @gascarengine 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Been 8 days, did it go well?

    • @user-re9nt3bu6g
      @user-re9nt3bu6g 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @Pokeman9687 great success! I can blink now and no longer eat through a straw. 🙌

    • @gascarengine
      @gascarengine 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @user-re9nt3bu6g that's amazing! Glad to hear you are doing better!

  • @stormah
    @stormah 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +173

    Tried this on my 1999 chevy cavalier today. Forgot to empty the fuel tank but it flies great!

    • @kaltziferYT
      @kaltziferYT 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Not removing fuel can affect

    • @Red-pm2oj
      @Red-pm2oj 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I laughed. Thank you! 😂😄

  • @dumpstercast-refuseradio8429
    @dumpstercast-refuseradio8429 ปีที่แล้ว +811

    Hi there, metal expert and master welder of 29 years here, you should do this to everything you own even if it's not metal or producing this noise thank you

    • @juanandresgutierrezespinoz1638
      @juanandresgutierrezespinoz1638 ปีที่แล้ว

      😊0ⁿ⁰ĺpópó

    • @stanleybochenek1862
      @stanleybochenek1862 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      what does it do mostly?

    • @anotheralpharius2056
      @anotheralpharius2056 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +186

      @@stanleybochenek1862 relaxation of setting fires and hitting stuff with a hammer

    • @stanleybochenek1862
      @stanleybochenek1862 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@anotheralpharius2056 okay

    • @Omnishredder
      @Omnishredder 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      And gets rid of unwanted idiots thinking they know better... wait what?

  • @jeremycook5836
    @jeremycook5836 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +428

    1. A little too much heat. You want your heat affected zone to be as small and controlled as possible, it’s better to go until the color BARELY starts to change (or not at all.) Then if you need more shrinkage do it again.
    2. Quenching or blasting air will cause a more abrupt change in temperature, therefore shrinking it even more, again making it less controllable.
    3. Hammer on dolly stretches the metal back out, so ideally you’d only shrink it just enough so that you can strike off dolly to straighten it out. The fact that he was hitting on dolly so hard shows he over-shrunk it.
    Overall good work. It got the job done, and with a skim coat of body filler it’ll be perfectly fine.

    • @johndavid6956
      @johndavid6956 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      This was thought too. Overheated the metal.

    • @SuperUvix
      @SuperUvix 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Why wouldnt it be fine without a skim coat of body filler?
      I know nothing about metal lol 🤷‍♂️

    • @davecrupel2817
      @davecrupel2817 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Should you let it cool more naturally when you beat it? With ambient static air, or a gentle breeze?

    • @andrewevenson2657
      @andrewevenson2657 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      I don’t know anything about whatever this video is, but I do know a thing or two about cameras, so just to play devil’s advocate real quick, the way your eye perceive brightness is different than how a camera does. Specifically a camera has a much smaller dynamic range than the human eye, so if something is blown out white for a camera, it’s quite possible that it wouldn’t be so bright to a human. It all depends on the camera’s dynamic range, and what the brightness of the correctly exposed parts of the image is.
      He still may have been too hot I’m not saying you are wrong, just pointing out it’d be very difficult to tell from a video.

    • @Slickone-wk9mc
      @Slickone-wk9mc 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SuperUvixcause its still low!

  • @brapbrapbrrraaaaaapp4163
    @brapbrapbrrraaaaaapp4163 ปีที่แล้ว +246

    Makes me think of my old man when he would do hail repair - though this is not as good. He would do a whole car, no mud, and be perfect. I would hold his torch and watch him work- it was mesmerizing all those little spirals, the sound of the quench from his rag. Of course this was before the paintless repair days. Sure do miss him.

    • @ajtoofly7315
      @ajtoofly7315 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      When was this? Because cars today the metal is too thin really to try and heat shrink panels with a torch. It’s actually a guy at my job that did this to a door and it fucked him over good. Went from a decent 4-6 hour dent to about 12 hours and 5 or more coats of mud

    • @oliverklozhoff
      @oliverklozhoff 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      There's alot to be said and even more to be learned from those old school dudes

    • @alanhat5252
      @alanhat5252 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@ajtoofly7315watch the video again, they're putting in dents to stiffen it not shrinking it. Personally, I would just stick flashing tape on it but maybe that's too quick & easy.

    • @lukeblizzard5909
      @lukeblizzard5909 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@ajtoofly7315you don't send a guy to an English wheel who doesn't know how to shape metal with an English wheel. You don't hand a guy a torch, and tell him to shape metal with a torch if he doesn't know how. That said it's an art. Shaping with a torch or an English wheel or a bowl stump anvil. Some guys can do what others definitely can't.

  • @3DWoodmeister
    @3DWoodmeister ปีที่แล้ว +169

    From my experience, making smaller spots with double in quantity will do a better job.

    • @tuoppi42
      @tuoppi42 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      I saw one guy ruin a side of an Impala like this he was replacing side sheeting to. Too big torch and too big spots. Tiny spots are enough to do big changes.

    • @oliverklozhoff
      @oliverklozhoff 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@tuoppi42hell ya, a little bit goes a long ways with sheet metal and heat

  • @chrismehl1607
    @chrismehl1607 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +150

    I can't believe there's actually serious comments saying don't try this at home. Only professional metal workers should attempt this. Blah blah blah. People should try doing as many things possible every chance they get. It's the only way anyone can learn, and if they mess up, then they know what not to do next time meaning they are learning. Don't ever listen to people who try to talk you down. Stay dirty and never quit learning.

    • @mr.slaphappy3794
      @mr.slaphappy3794 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Very good comment.

    • @nathanpearce7169
      @nathanpearce7169 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Love this. Keep up the good work

    • @Watthead80
      @Watthead80 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      I assume you do all your own healthcare?

    • @magicbox9371
      @magicbox9371 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      Education is a much better approach than blindly following a silent video. People do not waste your time trying things you do not understand. Learn….understand…..then do.

    • @rolo2568
      @rolo2568 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Im a airplane engineer and i use this trick constantly on the planes that come through the shop

  • @jimleane7578
    @jimleane7578 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I'm way out of my depths when it comes to shrinking/ stretching metal. Thankyou to those in the know who added comments. You guys are masters.

  • @MrDan7171
    @MrDan7171 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    This issue with this meathod of heating and quenching metal to shrink the molecules is that the process itself makes the metal harder but also more brittle and prone to cracking, especially in the areas where the temperatures were the hottest.

    • @franalaniz4312
      @franalaniz4312 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      That is what i was thinking..
      The metal gets stronger but it can break more easily, right?

    • @juicykcaz8326
      @juicykcaz8326 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@franalaniz4312yes but it’s not like u can never do this, it certainly will fix the issue u have for most personal projects. But if u try doing this on a plane or something we have an issue 😭

    • @enriqueouro9
      @enriqueouro9 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The molecules aren't shrinking.

    • @zbereznietti2695
      @zbereznietti2695 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@enriqueouro9 the grains are

    • @enriqueouro9
      @enriqueouro9 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@zbereznietti2695 The material is not losing volume, which is what I think the commenter meant.

  • @stickyfox
    @stickyfox ปีที่แล้ว +453

    "he said, 'oil can'!"
    "oil can what?"

    • @minimoog4236
      @minimoog4236 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      Oil can fix dis, no ploblems.

    • @danielgoodman3578
      @danielgoodman3578 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Imagine a big rectangular oil/chemical can that you can flex the sides of like this.

    • @ctdieselnut
      @ctdieselnut ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@danielgoodman3578 he knows, its play on words. It took me a second to realize what he meant, too. Like 'you can tune a car, but you can't tuna fish'.

    • @danielgoodman3578
      @danielgoodman3578 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ctdieselnut thank you

    • @unclebob7937
      @unclebob7937 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Can do....

  • @derBenIsPlaying
    @derBenIsPlaying 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Here's what he's doing: He's slightly smelting the metal to hammer it down to create a small indent. This means the material is pushed downwards, and on the edges, the material is pulled into towards that "crater". By hammering it flat you even it out again, but the stress remains, as the material is still pulled towards the indent, the indent is just hammered flat but the internal crystaline structure of the metal is all over the place.
    This causes a LOT of stress in the material, and stiffens it. So you are trading a stiffer, less flexible metal structure for the fact that it is now under constant stress in those parts. And any movement, even small deformation or vibrations or tensile actions, cause microscopic stress deformations that eventually turn into ruptures.
    You create a less wobbly structure,which has lost most of its flexibility, not very good.
    A better way would have been to weld a reinforcement on it, or use a metal roller tool to roll grooves into the material, preferably in a "X" shape, which is much more gentle on the material than this heat + physical deformation.
    If you ever see a metal sheet with an "X" or other shape indented into it, the reason is the same - to reduce the flexing, without compromising the crystaline structure.
    But heat + hitting it is a very harsh and hard change, avoid doing this.

  • @enveloreal
    @enveloreal ปีที่แล้ว +100

    This is the metal equivalent of those chairs in school with one leg shorter than the others so you can rock it back and forth in place.

    • @jazzfeline5970
      @jazzfeline5970 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Those were always my favorite 😂

    • @gregor00005
      @gregor00005 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@jazzfeline5970what is wrong with you

    • @ClimptonDiddlehopper
      @ClimptonDiddlehopper 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We called them rocking chairs

  • @johnandrew5958
    @johnandrew5958 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Gotta love that there's actually experienced people in this chat, not randoms saying random stuff

  • @alexandrkrukov4522
    @alexandrkrukov4522 ปีที่แล้ว +204

    Вся заводская оцинковка ушла из чата

    • @bodyshopinrussia7343
      @bodyshopinrussia7343 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Она ушла из чата ещё на стадии абразивной обработки. Если там вообще была оцинковка- не на всех машинах она есть.

    • @bezrukov_sergey
      @bezrukov_sergey ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Ржавчина вошла в чат

    • @ИванИванов-л5в6з
      @ИванИванов-л5в6з ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@bezrukov_sergeyЦинкарь или преобразователь ржавчины с ортофосфорной кислотой спешат на помощь.

    • @Рюричъ
      @Рюричъ ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Да ладно, походит и не один год еще

    • @vital_charomin
      @vital_charomin ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Я так делал, только молотком не стучал - всё получалось

  • @user-vp1sc7tt4m
    @user-vp1sc7tt4m 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wish my Dad were still alive to add to this conversation. He often spoke about what he experienced during WW2 when he was a rear gunner on a B17 and repairs made on airplanes when they returned from raids over Germany. He talked about guys who could take a sheet of flat steel, and with ball peen or other hammer and dolly, form the metal into any complex shape needed to repair the plane and they did this within real time, hours, not days, no heavy machines. This was all done just to get the birds back in the air. That's my memory of what he said. If there is anyone else out there that can verify that's what happened, kudos to you.

  • @bryanherman1035
    @bryanherman1035 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    It's better to make much smaller spots hot and then quench them without hammering. And do much more of them. And you don't need to make them red hot. Or make a huge dent with a hammer.

    • @NavyVet4955
      @NavyVet4955 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Someone who understands how to shrink metal folks.

    • @kilokilo89
      @kilokilo89 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I watched a video on this and I did see them gently tap with a hammer though. I believe it was to so it was “froze” flat instead of bubbling out

    • @bryanherman1035
      @bryanherman1035 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@kilokilo89 It is acceptable to GENTLY tap high spots into low spots. In this application heat shrinking it correctly will fix the problem and hammering on it generally isn't necessary.

    • @bryanherman1035
      @bryanherman1035 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@NavyVet4955 Well, I could be wrong, but it always works for me when straightening out sheetmetal, or removing the 'oil can' effect. My repairs are generally invisible after a coat of primer.

  • @BAIYUECEN
    @BAIYUECEN 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    這個方法是淬火(鐵在加熱到一定溫度後用水降低溫度使鐵的元素結構改變)(簡單一句能變硬)這方法如果有外力碰撞容易脆裂(不太適合使用在板金件上)

    • @xochj
      @xochj 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      In low carbon mild steel?

    • @MultiMaker_Studios
      @MultiMaker_Studios 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I can't read what I'm assuming is japanese but why does it look like it's in bold and capital like it's yelling

    • @chikkenbonz
      @chikkenbonz 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@MultiMaker_StudiosBecause it's Japanese.

    • @Videomorgue
      @Videomorgue 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@xochjLow carbon steel is not a no carbon steel. It will be less of a problem but will still create an altered crystal structure with more brittle elements like Martensite.

    • @xochj
      @xochj 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Videomorgue that's exactly my concern. Why would someone want to make this sheet more brittle?

  • @Vickie-Bligh
    @Vickie-Bligh ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I love this. Thanks for the explanation earlier, seeing it in action now makes so much sense.

  • @jackson._.goulding
    @jackson._.goulding ปีที่แล้ว +73

    Came here for all the armchair engineer comments and oh man I am not the slightest bit disappointed

    • @notfeedynotlazy
      @notfeedynotlazy 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ah, a man of culture...

    • @AcidGambit419
      @AcidGambit419 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I like all the guys that have obviously studied the science behind this but have never worked on anything before. I know this because they have time to sit around and type all day.

    • @notfeedynotlazy
      @notfeedynotlazy 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@AcidGambit419 I like even more the ones who THINK that have studied it.
      Hint: all that talk about whether hitting the metal would or would not work-harden it, and no talk at all about whether that effect (were it to happen) would be enough to _matter._ As an actual armorer, I laugh a lot at that...

  • @elce5008
    @elce5008 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    after years of listening to banging this man decided to give this piece of metal banging of it's life

  • @registaani
    @registaani 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    U made me subscribed 😊❤
    If mechanic knows the trick he does it well, but if car owner tells him any trick.... he finds a way to deny working that way 😢

  • @ulasgursoy2838
    @ulasgursoy2838 ปีที่แล้ว +170

    I cannot wait for the next videos in this series

    • @a.deen.7842
      @a.deen.7842 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes I am dying to see how he would do it

    • @expatmoose
      @expatmoose ปีที่แล้ว

      Dito that

    • @tennicktenstyl
      @tennicktenstyl ปีที่แล้ว +7

      how to weld parts you just broke

    • @a.deen.7842
      @a.deen.7842 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@tennicktenstyl shut up ten, don’t disturb a master at work

  • @Undeadly.
    @Undeadly. 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Used this technique on a couple of my hostages. They don't move anymore, thank you!

  • @1truthseeking8
    @1truthseeking8 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Quenching it makes that area brittle...good job.

    • @kujokage4611
      @kujokage4611 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      if the metal is that thin then it wasnt a high stress area in the first place

  • @mikep490
    @mikep490 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's a useful skill that I learned in 1972. Unfortunately I practiced it first on a School Bus, shrinking an accident damaged panel. Flaming tar (undercoat) scarred my left hand... but is mostly gone 50 years later. (Most side panels were NOT undercoated... so live and learn.) These days I'd apply strips of butyl sound deadening.

  • @cristianemontagner9616
    @cristianemontagner9616 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Its not only the hardening that makes this plate stop doing that. What is actually happening here is you are deforming the metal while its still hot, allowing its crystal structure to deform without damage. Then, when its as you want you cool it down rapidly, freezing the crystal in its place, so all the stresses that were in it previously get discipated. Not only that but you are also deforming the metal by heating it, witch introduces structural stability in the metal.

  • @fartmaster3
    @fartmaster3 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hello from the USA! I wouldn't recommend coming here! Thats all, love your content!

  • @mariobosnjak99
    @mariobosnjak99 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    This is how my father removed my love for him

    • @16driver16
      @16driver16 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I can't mention how mine did

    • @lukeskywalker4989
      @lukeskywalker4989 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He hammered him too​@ParisFletcher

    • @garymericano
      @garymericano 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Warmed him up and gave him a hard hammering​@ParisFletcher
      The wet towel was after the fact

  • @phukup87
    @phukup87 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Im a metal worker of 20 years. Good job

  • @chazdubh3079
    @chazdubh3079 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I tried that once on the whole rear half of a wartime jeep floor pan and it took about 20 timed that process you see in the video, I was underneath holding a big block of metal up against the underside of the floor

  • @certainlynotmaindenless2315
    @certainlynotmaindenless2315 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    He is essentially heat treating that area, he heat that part up to make the crystallite have enough energy to break the grain boundaries to reform, and then when he hits it, the crystallites gets compressed so there will be no excess elasticity which leads to the "gas tank effect", and then he quench that area with a wet towel to freeze or stop the process of the crystallites growing fusing together, why? Because bigger grains means less boundary force less compression and leads to weaker mechanical properties.
    So long story short for normal non high pressure use, this fix is absolutely ok, by doing this he actually made that region stronger, but on the other hand, the connecting area between the original parts and the treated parts will become a "weak point" of sorts, in weak point, it doesn't mean it is soft or more elastic, it just means if it breaks, it will be from there

    • @certainlynotmaindenless2315
      @certainlynotmaindenless2315 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If anyone wants to "argue" then fetch me this, why does the gas tank effect vanished after this, the effect comes from the metal becoming bigger/wider or essentially stretched per say, he made the part tighter which in turns made it stronger

  • @user-rk2zd4jn8n
    @user-rk2zd4jn8n ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Не знал как усадить растянутый металл на плоскости. Делал подручными средствами найденными в гараже. Думал что делаю полную фигню хоть и получалось. А теперь мне попадается этот ролик где делают точно также 😂

    • @user-rz4nh5rk2b
      @user-rz4nh5rk2b ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Теперь ты знаешь, что не только ты делаешь фигню😄

    • @user-rk2zd4jn8n
      @user-rk2zd4jn8n ปีที่แล้ว

      @@user-rz4nh5rk2b эт точно! 😂

  • @TheImpressionist235
    @TheImpressionist235 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very common generally. This technique is still in use while building passenger car trains to tension the walls for example.

  • @slipngrip
    @slipngrip 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The sound of the second hammering is oddly satisfying

  • @dantecavallin8229
    @dantecavallin8229 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes. When heating the steel and then cooling it fast you make it hard but brittle. Which is why it isnt flexible anymore. Instead its brittle and will break prematurely

  • @oh-ah5919
    @oh-ah5919 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    Dump truck auto supply store welding assistant manager here, just so you know - you’re doing it wrong.

    • @christopherstein2024
      @christopherstein2024 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      We are all smarter now

    • @akiraakiraakiraakira
      @akiraakiraakiraakira 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      classic manager :D

    • @judod97
      @judod97 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      a good manager,one can tell😀😀

    • @robertborgeson1821
      @robertborgeson1821 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Do you sell dump truck and dump truck accessories?

  • @productdirector
    @productdirector 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes! Thanks for showing this technique! I have a car that I'm restoring and the metal sheet is flexing exactly like this video is showing. I was wondering if I should cut it and then solder it to keep it from bending, but applying heat is a much easier and faster way to deal with this problem! Thanks!

  • @jonki87
    @jonki87 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    this technique is used in car repair shops. but without hammering it.

    • @budlanctot3060
      @budlanctot3060 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      as a machinist, we used to use heat to straighten shafts. High side uo, heat the high spot, cool with a compressed air/water mist. Monitor the whole operation with a dial indicator.

    • @jonki87
      @jonki87 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@budlanctot3060 very interesting. does the heat weaken the shaft?

    • @budlanctot3060
      @budlanctot3060 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jonki87 nope.

    • @jonki87
      @jonki87 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@metalmental454 i was wrong. but the hammer used for this has grooves in the head. it also can be done without hammering, i habe done it. i only used the electrical tool, the same one that welds hooks.

    • @Videomorgue
      @Videomorgue 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@jonki87 It can if you anneal the metal. The trick is to monitor the temperature, know how the material will react, and don't do it to metal that has already been heat treated.

  • @aaronskuse2207
    @aaronskuse2207 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For anyone wondering, what he’s doing is a roundabout way of creating ribs to help prevent flexing. This technique is seen in a variety of machines built with stamped steel, notably firearms.

  • @Airgunfunrich
    @Airgunfunrich ปีที่แล้ว +12

    You don’t need to heat it so much or beat it just heat and quench will work

  • @TheEverLovingOutdoors
    @TheEverLovingOutdoors 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Tried this on my boat. Thank You Coast Guard!

  • @tiromancino_tt
    @tiromancino_tt ปีที่แล้ว +4

    in Italia i carrozzieri usano questa tecnica da 100 anni ( punture di cannello ossidrico)

  • @Adventure_Outdoors_with_Lucky
    @Adventure_Outdoors_with_Lucky 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Haven’t seen many of these comments so here: Good work man!

  • @GugsGunny
    @GugsGunny ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Not a metal worker so really curious: Why heat and hammer those specific spots? Why cool fast like that with water? I'd like to understand how that worked.

    • @PrometheusEpimetheus
      @PrometheusEpimetheus ปีที่แล้ว +4

      When you heat up metal and cool it quickly, it makes the metal harder and tenser. Add on the hammering and you're both speeding up the process and directing it. Basically what he's doing is taking the "loose material" that's letting it bend and adding tension to it so it pulls itself taut.
      Not a good idea for anything like the frame as it can structurally compromise the metal (makes it brittle, less bendy) but for panel work it's perfect.
      As for why its loose? Could be a rough fit/weld at factory, someone could have dinged it, heat expansion and cooling for a couple decades, etc.
      Fun fact: if you heat material and let it cool down by itself, it can actually make it softer depending on the metal in question.

    • @thewolfin
      @thewolfin ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Look up the phase diagram for steel. Heating and quenching quickly will increase the hardness and decrease ductility, making the metal harder, but more brittle. The steel's crystal lattice is affected, which changes the density of the material. In this case MM uses that to his advantage, making the heated/cooled spots contract in order to cure the "oil can" effect.
      Slow heating + slow cooling can have the opposite effect, making the metal softer and more ductile, a process referred to as annealing.

    • @GugsGunny
      @GugsGunny ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@thewolfin ​ @PrometheusEpimetheus thank you both, that's exactly the explaination I was hoping for.

    • @PrometheusEpimetheus
      @PrometheusEpimetheus ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@thewolfin my mans got the vocab, put it much more eloquently than I did lol

    • @Benoit-Pierre
      @Benoit-Pierre ปีที่แล้ว

      Still missing one detail. Low freq sound comes from large length. Putting hardened spots cuts length, and builds a high pass filter, blocking low freqs. The narrower spots reduces length and makes higher freqs ( if any ).
      Sometimes you either dislike low tune freqs, and prefer higher freqs.
      In other case, some low freq can be a resonance point with an other element, and be either a resonating element, or amplify an other noise. It can either harm to the structure, or a discomfort people around.
      The hard point can also be seen as a resistive element, or, a pillar blocking propagation.
      Most answers here are from metallurgy. But there are many things to say in the frequency domain, sound, signal treatment , wave propagation ( 12 sides of the same dice ).
      Metallurgy was a mean. We don't have the purpose, but it's probably frequency related.

  • @deepblueskyshine
    @deepblueskyshine 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yeah, stiffeners or stiffing ribs they are called. You can see the 3D shapes stamped on the edges, planes and around litening holes of load baring profiles of your car, washing machine, computer case - almost on all sheet metal stamped structures. On this particular part producers were after "cost effectiveness", so stiffeners were stamped to the bare minimum.

  • @Mrak2k
    @Mrak2k ปีที่แล้ว +5

    фрагментарно закалил метал, теперь он там треснет ) и под лкп изнутри заберется влага и будет ржаветь )))

    • @mr.practiskaisi8304
      @mr.practiskaisi8304 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ИДИОТ ЭТОТ МЕТАЛ ОЧЕНЬ МЯГКИЙ, ПОЧТИ НЕВОЗМОЖНА ЗАКАЛИТЬ

    • @mr.practiskaisi8304
      @mr.practiskaisi8304 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Это тебе не сталь напильника или подшипника

  • @cougar9610
    @cougar9610 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How to fix anything :
    step 1 : get hammer
    step 2 : BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG
    step 3 : completely fixed congrats

  • @Cowslappa
    @Cowslappa ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Wouldn't this create a thin brittle spot?

    • @mymechanicsinsights
      @mymechanicsinsights  ปีที่แล้ว +36

      The heated spot actually gets thicker. And no, it doesn't get brittle. This is mild steel, that's low carbon. It won't get affected by heat and quench, you can't heat treat mild steel. It actually gets softer, because it's now annealed.

    • @patman0250
      @patman0250 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      No you're right it absolutely will and does create a brittle spot. This guy seems to not take advice from people who know more very well. The comment he left is absolutely filled with inaccuracies.

    • @NavyVet4955
      @NavyVet4955 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      @@mymechanicsinsights😂 no, no it does not get thicker. Having worked with metal for over 20 years I can tell you any time you stretch metal, which is what you are doing here, it thins out. Don’t spread your foolishness to others.

    • @JScarper
      @JScarper 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Daveeeeeeyhowyoudoing I'm pretty sure with metals, soft doesn't mean weak...

    • @francescocerioni8939
      @francescocerioni8939 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      ​@mymechanicsinsights how are you adding material to thicker the spot? 😂😂😂 your physics professor failed you badly

  • @ИванИванов-л5в6з
    @ИванИванов-л5в6з ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Усадка металла. Я делал еë угольным электродом в режиме сварочника 12 вольт. Респект кузовщику.

  • @user-co7dx1gp7j
    @user-co7dx1gp7j ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Zinc plated - corrosion+.

  • @6FStyleCo
    @6FStyleCo 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Interesting. My dad built funny cars back in the 60s-70s. I wasnt fortunate enough to have learned from him as he died when i was 7 but i have it in my blood i have that itch. Motorsports is always in the back of my mind. I want to learn all of this

  • @toomanyhobbies2011
    @toomanyhobbies2011 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I saw a guy heat the entire panel which relieved the stress and cured the oil can.

    • @pinocolada4254
      @pinocolada4254 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Makes sense, heating makes the molecules shrink more on 1 side than the other. Heating the outside surface would mean it slightly warps to the outside and makes the molecules on the outside more tense. Which could mean you cant push it in anymore. Oil canning like in this video is probably because the metal expanded just a tad from working the material. Shrinking towards the other side is the solution.

  • @kovacskovacs3465
    @kovacskovacs3465 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes, heating and tempering will change the hardness, and adjust the stiffness of the metal in the given area.

  • @tjsudac
    @tjsudac ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Wow, really neat trick!

  • @yobb89
    @yobb89 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i'm a boilermaker, my dad taught me this and his dad taught him and he was a panel beater in the 50's

  • @dirtyd1373
    @dirtyd1373 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Ima be one of those guys rn but always let it cool on its own, or you're hurting the integrity of its hardness, just like welding. Lol sorry

  • @The_R-n-I_Guy
    @The_R-n-I_Guy 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good for old vehicles. Modern vehicles are made of thinner, high strength steel that reacts a lot differently than the steel in older vehicles

  • @user-eg5zm8bn6n
    @user-eg5zm8bn6n ปีที่แล้ว +5

    А как вы определяете в каком именно месте нужно проводить манипуляцию?

    • @user-mh9vv5lw8n
      @user-mh9vv5lw8n ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Где изгиб материала появляется там и делают.
      Но увы , в дальнейшем , при нагрузке в этом месте материал просто лопнет.
      Помимо этого начнет гнить моментально.

    • @SianaGearz
      @SianaGearz ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@user-mh9vv5lw8n It will not just burst, why would it. It's mild steel and doesn't harden. The metal will be protected and also what loads, it's not a loaded part not even close.

    • @МастерМаляр86
      @МастерМаляр86 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@user-mh9vv5lw8nесли правильно обработать то не начнёт.

    • @user-mh9vv5lw8n
      @user-mh9vv5lw8n ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@МастерМаляр86 а смысл от операции тогда? Можно просто герметиком пройтись или мастикой , или просто лист вибры приклеить. - эффект будет тот же без всяких манипуляций с перегревом

    • @МастерМаляр86
      @МастерМаляр86 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@user-mh9vv5lw8n вообще не будет никакого эфекта от вибры и герметика. Металл растянут, лишний металл надо стянуть, что и делает автор ролика, можно с помощью горелки, можно с помощью споттера. Споттер более щадяще работает чем горелка.

  • @jingalls9142
    @jingalls9142 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In case it's not clear. He has someone behind the metal with a backer as he hits it before he cools it. If you just whack hot metal and cool it it won't work. But yes this works. It's what they do on trains and planes to tighten the steel. Pretty cool.

  • @dman1848
    @dman1848 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    We now use carbon rods to shrink panels. Much tidier and safer

  • @-dark_knight.
    @-dark_knight. ปีที่แล้ว

    glad there are plenty of experts to help you out here

  • @Doodle128
    @Doodle128 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    God’s work, hate when tins don’t stand properly upright because the bottom is like that from manufacturing.

  • @payasoartwork5906
    @payasoartwork5906 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So, weaken the metal until it's brittle, then just hammer a dent in it... Got it! Thanks. Now I can start my own auto body shop!!!

  • @samuel2985
    @samuel2985 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It's not from removing the oil it's from heating it then quenching it realize the structure of the steel making it more crystalline AKA a hard and less flexible Steel...

  • @AngelaSmith_1970
    @AngelaSmith_1970 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Interesting 🤔 and very cool 😎 people never stop surprising me with their ingenuity 😎🙌🏽✊🏽

  • @jake-bw7rw
    @jake-bw7rw 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Use a dimple hammer next time you know the one that has the grid on the end. Its designed for shrinking metal. The heat and cooling with water is important too.

  • @thewildbun
    @thewildbun ปีที่แล้ว

    Honestly amazed at how many people work with metal on the daily on TH-cam here but I do see how hardening the thin sheet metal will make it ridged is it a long term fix no but with most of your guys memory skills you'll forget this guy ever repaired that this way before it ever fails

  • @jeanjean489
    @jeanjean489 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ❤the dolly and hammer my old collision days, love the technique!

  • @CosmicConnectionVibes
    @CosmicConnectionVibes 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I used this technique to remove the door effect from an Boeing 737. It was a massive success.

  • @EternityForest
    @EternityForest 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm so glad I don't work much with sheet metal. Most designs I actually like are either tiny(Less than an inch) or use something other than the sheet metal for the structure. It always wants to wiggle and flop and make noise and take on permanent bends. It's flexible but not often not flexible enough to fit where you want it without bending and shoving. It's always got sharp edges, it can rust, it's electrically conductive... I'd prefer plastic pretty much any day!

  • @orboakin8074
    @orboakin8074 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In Nigeria, many of our mechanics and panel beaters use this same method😯 I had no idea westerners did it too👍

  • @fogk7613
    @fogk7613 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In case youre wondering. This is called tempering. Basically makes it stronger. IE tempered glass

    • @autumn5592
      @autumn5592 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's not tempering, because it's not hardened.
      This won't make significant change to the steel, except for removing stresses.
      Tempered glass is nothing like steel -- tempering glass is more akin to quench hardening.
      And, quenching steel doesn't make it stronger, it makes it harder, which makes it weaker, because it is less ductile -- strength is the ability to resist sudden shock, something hardened steel doesn't do particularly well (depending on the alloy.)

  • @eternalproductions
    @eternalproductions 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Big difference now instead of being unnoticeable it looks even worse than before you started

  • @zacharyshellhammer8520
    @zacharyshellhammer8520 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Tightening steel is an art, your def not doing it the usual way but if it works, and it's not structural, keep it up

  • @Flumphinator
    @Flumphinator 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If you’re doing this on a fuel tank, make sure it’s about half full first and you’ll have a great story to tell.

  • @connorhart7597
    @connorhart7597 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is gonna work great on my air compressor, thanks bro! 🤙

  • @renegadewolfhound8786
    @renegadewolfhound8786 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That looks beautiful! The attention to detail is next level. This professional will change the world with their skill and intelligence!

  • @psych0tic548
    @psych0tic548 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Congratations! The metal is warped and brittle! 🎊 🎉

  • @logrusm
    @logrusm 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ahaha, at first I read "can" and "effect" as verbs. And desided to watch the video to know how removing oil could effect you. Only then I realized that "can" and "effect" are nouns :D

  • @devinsantiago4876
    @devinsantiago4876 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey congrats you just acetylene torched all the resistivity out of your steel 👏

  • @MagosKasen
    @MagosKasen 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love the idea of you giving us a sample of the kind of works published by these indie presses, thanks for highlighting them.
    Also, an entire industry controlled by a handful of mega corporate entities that maintain an illusion of competition and diversity? Sounds like late stage capitalism to me!

  • @shanewestphal1557
    @shanewestphal1557 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You can actually achieve the same result with only heat, no quench and no hammer. The metal will shrink removing the canning effect

  • @vwaudiwelder
    @vwaudiwelder 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Who remembers the fella that tried this on the roof of a Ford Explorer on MONSTER GARAGE?
    Homelslice totally effed up the whole thing and Jesse James was not amused. 🔥💀🤣
    I love my stainless steel grinder operated shrinking disc.

  • @jamesrkalloch323
    @jamesrkalloch323 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I was an autobody repair man for over 30 years and this is definitely not the way you fix oilcanning sheet metal

  • @carsonwilcox4131
    @carsonwilcox4131 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i love how charlie can say “mumbo jumbo” and gobldegook and it sound completely normal

  • @ClintonHester88
    @ClintonHester88 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    He's basically just stiffening the metal by heating and fast quenching, same thing is done to harden steel blades on knives, swords etc

  • @iamthinking2252_
    @iamthinking2252_ 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Watching this without checking the description to even understand what was going on first time round

  • @Guam500
    @Guam500 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In all seriousness i wouldn’t do this technique on sheets but it works great for rebar, mesh wiring, or metal fencing

  • @RS33743
    @RS33743 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You only need to heat it enough to change the color at the high point then quench it with water or directed / pinpoint airflow. Heating it that much and hitting it that hard is stretching the metal causing it to be worse if you don't shrink it enough with cold causing you to chase it for days making your panel look like it has chicken pox!

  • @bjorn4703
    @bjorn4703 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Looks wilder than before. The material is more brittle than before. Just as it should be.

  • @BUZZKILLJRJR
    @BUZZKILLJRJR ปีที่แล้ว

    Same idea as Fuller on sword makes it more rigid adding groves or valley awesome video!

    • @Kyrazlan
      @Kyrazlan ปีที่แล้ว

      A fuller removes material. Any time you remove material you lose rigidity. It does remove a lot of weight without compromising its structure too much.

  • @brianpulley8652
    @brianpulley8652 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's much easier to use the shrinking tips on modern stud welders now it's so much easier to control the heat and you can shrink a much smaller area.

  • @mountainman4410
    @mountainman4410 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Try this: get yourself a stud welder. Use it without a stud in the gun. Hold it down against the surface and hold the trigger for for like 3-4 full seconds. You will literally watch the metal heat up and shrink. No planishing needed. Then cool with water as you did here. You're welcome.

  • @joshuadejesus9861
    @joshuadejesus9861 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love this technique I call it the “stfu and stay in place goddamn it”

  • @whydoievenbothertoputthish2199
    @whydoievenbothertoputthish2199 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Depending on what the use is for the metal heating it up like that and then rapidly cooling it may cause issues with internal stress due to the recrystallization of the metal. For any low end applications thats fine but if its gonna be a load bearing structure or pressure vessel it will induce weakpoints or points of failure. :s