MA v Karen Read Day 3 Recap: Killer or Cover-Up Murder Trial
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- "She was very distraught." First Responders recall #KarenRead's behavior at the crime scene. Plus, #CourtTV's Vinnie Politan is in Dedham, MA, to analyze the Killer Or Cover-Up Murder Trial.
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I mean if a potential dead body showed up on my lawn then you would bet police are coming into my home to investigate.
And you can also bet that my butt is coming out of the house to see what in the world is happening on my freaking yard, instead of hiding in the house and never coming out….. That was crazy to me.
Defense had me impressed. The way Jackson dismantled Flamatti’s testimony was awkward, shocking and amazing to watch all at once.
@@LanaK83that part!!!
exactly
But what if you had bruises on your face? A cut lip. maybe? Your knuckles all bashed in, you had little to none sleep, and you couldn't believe what you did a few hours ago? Would you go outside and meet the police you work with??
Edge of the lawn near the road after someone on the scene had said what the cause of the victim’s death was in her confession. ⚖️
The very first officer on the scene, I think his name was Steve, said that there were 6 inches of snow on the ground, but only a light dusting of snow on the deceased. How is that possible if he was lying in the heavy storm for hours? I think he was held inside the house and only moved to the outside at a later stage.
Michael proctor absolutely knew what happened.
“I didn’t know it was a homicide scene sir” his eyes swelled shut, head busted open, arm gashed up, cut on nose, huh?
They kicked his ass and blamed her basically
Bottom Line: There is enough reasonable doubt. End of story.
Is it not very strange that all three of the witnesses who said Karen Read admitted it didn't put that in their notes. Their testimony should be disregarded.
Why?
@@jennyraphael5843 because if such an important statement like I did it or its my fault was heard by someone in authority it would be recorded in the notes. It wasn't in the notes because it wasnt heard.
@@malachy9400absolutely
Other residents standing out there heard her say it as well as paramedics. People who don't need to make notes.
Who suggested that Karen said that if it wasn’t documented ?
" i shot the clerk " said Ralph Machio again he said " I shot the clerk?"
Great movie!!!
Great movie!!
I mean she could be saying “I did it” because she left him there… she could feel responsible that she didn’t stay with him the whole night and now something bad happened to him and she feels like it’s her fault because she left.
Where are all the polygraph videos
If I was on this Jury ... I would find it difficult to understand why so many of these first responders did not write that Karen said "I did it" in their initial statements ... or even in front of the Grand Jury
Oh, I know it!
Exactly this
I think it’s not written down because it was so obvious. If everyone sees it’s raining no one bothers to write down it’s raining. No one expected her to suddenly say I did not do it!
I think it’s more interesting why she didn’t say “THE ALBERTS did it! Please investigate that house and everyone in it.” She said nothing of that sorts which makes me wonder why she didn’t….. if she knew it was them!
She wasn’t there. She has no idea what happened. He was 100% in that house. Her statements can also be interpreted in terms of her, leaving him there at the house while she went home.. if she hadn’t left him, it wouldn’t have happened. She’s blaming herself for something that she didn’t do.
If the investigation & everything else was legit, above board and honest, I would accept those comments but with all the issues, no way. There is no way I could convict someone based on that investigation
As a retired lawyer & Prosecutor I am following this case from Britain. The American Emergency Service (Police/Paramedic/Fire) come across just as incompetent, inept & unprofessional as witnesses as they do here in the Britain.
In reverse at 24mph while driving drunk? And she lands her mark. I couldn't do that sober!!!
I’m thinking she was just spinning her tires in the snow.
@@MonthieNo4excellent point
prosecution claims the vehicle travelled over 60 feet before striking him. it sounds like your story makes more sense than theirs!!
Just started following this case. Does this “24 mph in reverse” come from the computer in her car?
You guys must be absolutely terrible drivers. Probably mostly women, haha. Maybe Karen didnt mean to. Just another accident contributing to bad women drivers. but reversing in a lexus going a mere 24mph even in snow, is really not difficult, at all.
It seems to me that the town of Canton knows something that we don’t about their police department. Looks like you need an army of citizens and a team of high profile lawyers to not get railroaded by cops protecting cops, to say it nicely!
So far, I see credible reasonable doubt offered by the defense.
That "Thin Blue Line" is Strong
Hahaha medical professionals do not collaborate with something like this dipshit
Lol, the conspiracy on the other side is just as strong, meaning someone who ran her BF over might get away with it
Yes ma'am it is
If it was, you'd think they would do the right thing and stand up for John... He was a cop too.
This isn't the thin blue line... This is corruption
Thick blue line
“There was a man standing with a knife in his hand, what do you think about that?
“I got no problem with that, someone already confessed, why would I question some guy with a bloody knife?”
In both cases this is KR. Her car is the knife
Lol
especially if he's my buddy!
Also, I forgot to document anything ever said on scene ever and no one can fact check me ever. Sorry I guess
I wonder if her “backing up for 60 ft at 24mph” isn’t more her spinning her wheels in the snow….
I really hope there isn’t any witness tampering by dirty cops. Strange that only a couple of them heard her say “I hit him” and they didn’t feel it important enough to write in their reports or tell anyone about it 🙄
I wonder if Jen McCabe was taking advantage of Karens hysteria and asking if she hit John with the car, knowing they were pinning it on Karen…. Setting in that doubt
Absolutely! She played on Karen’s emotions.
Yes. That's possible too.
That's been a core hypothesis to this for quite some time now
Also encourage those interested in this case to do a lot of research, you won't be disappointed. This is a big one.
They didn't know Karen would be coming back to look for him...laying out by the street to blame a snowplow?
I can’t believe the police officers in the house didn’t come out of their house to see what was going on with all that noise?!! Why weren’t they finding out what happened on their front lawn - couldn’t be that much of a heavy sleeper??
Mcade went into the house whilst they were on the roadside at 6 am to wake her sister (Mrs Albert) apparently and THEY STILL didn't come out !!!! Fishy !!!!!!
He was totally lying about telling the drs that, you could see how resistant he was to the defence and did not want to give them a thing and when backed into a corner he completely made that up to get a win over the defence, he never thought nor said that in real life.
Am I the only one who find it highly suspicious they sold the party house that the family owned for decades
Or the remodeling or the rehoming of family pet. Cop dog none the less. Cops never get rid of there k9 partner.
Nope
And who fills un their pool with concrete before selling it. Come on who cements a perfectly good pool to lower the value of your house. Its all so obvious.
Sold it for less than its appraised value during a seller’s market. Very bizarre.
And got rid of the dog
I love these recaps, although I wish they were longer !!
Who’s the moron that doesn’t think it’s a bad thing to let potential suspects walk off into the house where a dead police officer was found? Did he not watch all these people that supposedly heard her say I hit him get owned on the stand that she didn’t say it?!
I think it would be very doubtful that the cops/first responders didn't know who lived at 34 Fairview. A simple search in and LE vehicle would have revealed that - and who wouldn't know of the Alberts? He was 'up there' and any officer would know that. So... the question is, who decided no one should approach the home? The obviously had to bother some neighbor for solo cups and a leaf blower.
John's body was already in the hospital. The policeman had everyone's name
Remember, they werent treating it as a murder when they found his body, unfortunately.
Some of these “experts” they have on are really dim
This woman was accusing him of cheating with everyone around so I bet she thought he was cheating with a woman in that house and hit him. That's how abusers work and her messages show that's what she is.
@@madsdee7803 Right… because they always call and leave angry voicemails AFTER they run the person over. Couples argue and fight. The person that’s actually suspicious is the homeowner who sold that house that’s been in his family for generations after he dug up the basement floor, filled his pool in with concrete, and “re-homed” his dog. Not to mention his gf searching “how long to di3 in the snow” at 2:27 in the morning
Did the Dr. guest watch the same trial I did? Seems completely uninformed.
Yep noticed that too.
These guest 'experts' are ridiculous. I'm sure they give them talking points 20 minutes before showtime - they probably know as much about the case as I do about them! Nothing.
why wouldn't the police go to the house and question the owners about the after party that he was at?
Did she ever ask: OMG What happened?
Where are the body cams?
Something happened in that house. They dragged him into the yard after the fight and six inches of snow covered "their" tracks. My opinion.
then they put him in the front lawn in front of the street in plain view? right right sure bro
I think they were drunk/pumped on coke and panicked, and thought that would be a good place to put him. Hide your movements by a Ford Edge, no lights on, middle of the morning - who's going to see? Ring camera across the street? Nothing on it - according to another cop. What could be suspicious about that?
@@enzoinfinity1the cop’s gf Jennifer even texted “how long to di3 in the snow”
They didn’t investigate inside the house and the cop sold that house that had been in his family for generations, only after he ripped up the basement floor, personally filled his pool in with concrete, and re-homed his dog, but can’t remember who he sold it to…
what else do you need??
There weren't any footprints from the house to where the body was found. So how can he be placed outside without footprints?
And how would they know to frame her? No one knew her tail light was broken. And why would they want to step her up? Who is she? A nobody who has a defense team that spins the evidence like they always do.
@@shamina1908There was a heavy snowfall that night. He was found with 6 inches of snow on him so tracks would’ve been covered. Her tail light wasn’t discovered broken until AFTER they towed her car and had it for 90 minutes before they reported having possession of it. Only after that did they find pieces of tail light on the property. It would also be smart to pin it on the girlfriend that was having arguments with him that night. They always look at the intimate partner first.
If she was stuck in snow or ice and put her car in reverse could it make it look like she was going in reverse 20 miles an hour for 60 feet when she was actually in one place?
Very good point, I hadn't thought of that
Very true!
Hopefully they thought of this
Also missing his winter coat.
🧐great point!
Right... where is it?
And ball cap and belt. Still missing to this day!
He didn't have a coat on when she dropped him off so it's not missing. He wasn't wearing a coat.
Why didn't they take it down?? Why nothing in the report???!!!! I'm suspicious of these people... something's not right here! 🤬🤬🤬🤬
What I don't understand is why after passing out she wakes up at 5 am and instantly panics about where he is? If all she remembers is dropping him off at an after party why doesn't she just assume he's passed out on the Albert's sofa? Her immediate overreaction makes me think she might remember possibly being really mad and backing up towards him... but the DA's case is definitely not strong enough to put her away ...
Wouldn’t she still be inebriated only a few hours after the “hit”?
@@GrizzlyUrsusArctos Maybe? why is that relevant though?
Whenever one of my shoes goes missing ... the first place I look is under my bed
The dog chewed it up…
She was at home at 12:45 so riddle me this ….how is she doing 60 ft at 24 miles an hour at 12:45 when she’s at home ?
Who says she was at home?
At 12.41am on 29 January 2022 Karen leaves a voicemail on John's phone and a garage door can clearly be heard closing in the background. So she was in fact inside John's house at that time. Where ADA Adam Lally get's his timestamp information is anybody's guess. It seems he is just making it up to suit the alleged nararative and agenda, just the same as some of these so-called witnesses are doing.
@@madsdee7803not who but what says she was at home. EVIDENCE! That diligent people hear being offered and presented.
@@lucas_knight Good catch!
The first responders must be acting out of fear bc it's a small town. It makes ZERO SENSE why the "confession" wasn't reported. I could see myself blaming myself like, if i hadn't brought him there, he'd still be alive
It's totally obvious that those people beat him up and then framed her
She said that because JM planted the seed that she could have done it when Karen was distraught coming up to the scene of seeing JO
No way your delusional anyone knows they hit some one dipshit
Can’t wait for a medical examiner to testify. Game over for prosecution. The injuries don’t lie.
I encourage anyone who is around that I believe New Jersey trial about Cory. The kid that was killed by his abusive father of the treadmill. Killer bites him on the head while the kid falls off the treadmill trying to run to get back on it, and he bites his head to get him to stay on it, you need to watch it New and whoever is by there you need to go protest outside so he can be put away cases that need to be standing outside supporting these poor kids that are dying in the hands of their so-called parents and this guy wasn’t even a parent you got it. The trial is sickening. And the guy that represents him is more sickening than I can even imagine how he tries to yell at people to intimidate them.!!!! he hated that child and he hated his mom and took it out on that child!!!!! I pray to God and pray before I go to sleep, but Justice is serve for Cory
He died from sepsis. Sepsis occurs from bacterial infections. There was bruising from the tredmil but no open wounds. Therefore, falling from the tredmil didn't kill him. Yes, the father was abusive. But sepsis is often fatal and damages the whole body. The mother was told he had sepsis but refused treatment and did not tell the father.
@@georgieeve2026 Jamie Schron, an assistant Ocean County prosecutor, told the jury in her opening statement on Tuesday that but for some bruises, Corey's health was fine when his mother returned him to Gregor on the morning of April 2, 2021. A medical examiner ruled his cause of death to be blunt-force trauma, she said........However, the child's vital signs were fine and the doctor found no signs of infection, Aung said. His blood work was within normal ranges, the doctor said............ The Monster team is saying sepsis and pneumonia, Probaly all lies trying to save that monster, cuz he has money and the world today seems to care about Monsters more than regular people..... Blunt force trauma killed the kid, I think the Dad beat him up soo badly, he killed him... we will have to wait and see how it unfolds and once all the fact are out... i could be wrong, were all just going off of the news were recieving..
@@georgieeve2026 She did not take the kid out of the hospital with sepsis, That wouldnt even been allowed, they would have fixed him then and there if that was his problem and not agreed and allowed him to leave.... If he has sepsis, you think there gunna let her take him home, and you think shes gunna wanna take him home?.... They let her and the boy go cuz other than bruises and scratches and marks, he was in a good condition and fit to leave...
@@georgieeve2026Nobody is claiming the treadmill injuries were fatal. That incident is a separate child abuse charge from the murder. They were two totally separate events. The little boy was at the ER the night before and had a chest x-ray and blood work. No signs of infection and lungs were clear. He certainly did not go from a clear chest to pneumonia so advanced it caused sepsis and sepsis so bad it killed him in 24 hours. That absolutely did not happen.
Vinnie is the best!!! Makes every case interesting.
I live not far from where this happened. My BF reminded me of a situation that happened a few years back. It could have been the same snow storm or the same winter. It was a cold night and we had a snow storm coming in. I was sleeping (mid of the night) when I heard a man making what sounded like distressed noises. IT WOKE ME UP. I went outside and found a drunk older gentleman who fell on the sidewalk/grass part of my house he couldn’t get up . (Probably the same distance in this situation-window/incident). Thank goodness I helped the man up and got him to his home without incident.
I just don’t buy a First responder didn’t wake up.
Can’t wait for tomorrow to watch cross examination of Ms. Katie 😅
So if she did do it, why isn’t he showing the police deputy chief showing his video that is on his house across the street?
Wait what?!
@@2centswanted113they claimed to have video of it from I think the beginning. But no one has ever seen it. So where is it and why haven’t they released it yet.
Only one answer to that question.
I thought the chief’s camera “wasn’t working” that night?
@@NatyB4342wow! How convenient
You know, there may be five first responders that claim she owned it, directly or indirectly; but so far one recanted, and the others either didn’t hear the same thing (“I did it” vs “it’s my fault” vs “it was me”) or even if they heard the same words, there is still variation (she was prompted, she was unprompted, she was admonished to be quiet after, she was told she’s hysterical after).
Maybe they all happened. Maybe none of them did. Maybe Karen, still intoxicated and hysterically panicking, was told by someone ELSE before responders got there that it must be her fault.
I don’t know. But so far there’s enough reasonable doubt sized holes in their case to drive a KC-135 through.
How many people in history have been hysterical and screamed they did something and all the pieces lined up who coincidentally didn't actually do it... I mean pretty much never. If anything how many times has someone accidentally confessed and then tried to recant or come up with a defense that didnt land 10+ years in jail minimum and end her life... Pretty much every day.
@@rocsti5402 does it matter? This trial isn’t about history. And like I said, I don’t honestly have an opinion on her innocence or guilt. I think the prosecution’s case is BS.
Agreed, but we are only at the first hour or so of finding the body. KR will be screwed as the pros continues
@@rocsti5402how many people have had domestic arguments and never killed the other person?
How many people have threatened harm or ill fate on someone and acted on it?
I know myself and plenty of others who have been investigated for making wishes of harm or ill fate to others, as cops did to Karen. But they were not investigated like myself and others I know of.
@@julybliss4440 but in this case someone is dead.... How many people never had an argument and then killed the spouse for no reason? Almost never. Theres always tons of fights and escalation before something happens. And usually inevitably something does happen, either divorce, injury or death, in many cases it just hasn't happened YET. But feel like your ignoring everything else to cherry pick things to find a narrative thats shes been framed. I'm waiting for the evidence and my mind can be swayed either way. Is that the case for you, or have you already decided before the trial has barely begun?
Where are the crime scene photos? The guy was dead when they found him, they should have taken photos of his body before touching it
I thought they were working on him on the way to the hospital? If he was pronounced dead at the scene, then there should be photo’s! This case doesn't add up at all, and I can't see how the case has even gotten this far!
Canton is a nightmare. Fights at the meeting tuesday
Why wouldn't she be hysterical and distraught. She just witnessed her boyfriend lying dead in the snow.
Many things about this case don't make any sense. His injuries for starters. I'd like to see how the prosecution deals with that before I make a final judgement. Right now there's a lot of reasonable doubt.
Honestly, I feel terrible for John and his family, but I’m starting to get really bitter that his family blames Karen and continues to believe the Alberts’ fable. Like to think that you could date someone and be nothing but kind and warm to their family, and then have their family accuse you of the worst thing ever…then continue to believe you could be that evil despite all the evidence to the contrary….their faces make me sick, but I feel bad for feeling that way…but just imagine this happens, and your partner’s family turns on you when you’re a victim, too…
Well said. Agreed 100%
I can’t even imagine… but I believe truth would prevail 🙏🏽
Totally. I wonder why they believe it- have they said?
@@erkaderka3571 I tried to read up a couple days ago, and it’s just basically that they believe the police and the police’s evidence. Maybe it’s easier to blame her than believe John’s colleagues and friends would do something so horrible. To be honest, it didn’t really seem like John’s sister-in-law thinks Karen is guilty. Something about the vibe of her testimony. She probably felt she had to be loyal to her husband’s family. She seemed most sad about losing a best friend to me.
I think they know about her falsely accusing him of cheating and see how she struts around the court, smiling and winking at TV cameras and they know she's an abuser who thinks she's conning her way out of her consequences.
The cops forgot to plant the tail lights 😂😂
Vinnie, thank you for being there. You did an excellent on-site visit.
wake up at 4h53 am after sleeping 2 hours then go to someone else’s house to go grab other people for no reason instead of going to the house where he was. Totally make sense.
I would say she was only to that house the night before and didn’t know how to get back. That could be a good reason
@@joemulcahy5168 Established. They had to get directions a few times.
If the car computer says it went 24 mph in reverse then you can’t really argue that it didn’t, right?
Whaaat? Of course there should be an investigation! It was in his yard? Umm… Did you hear or see anything?
The kid in the background 😂😂
The judge is obviously all for the state....all she does is huff & puff when it comes to defense
Drunks make bad witnesses.
What is anything else? That’s all the prosecutor says.
No one is talking about his injuries
Thank you Vinnie.
So cops are allowed to drink and drive lol
The shoe could have been stuck up under her vehicle and fell out somewhere way down the road.
Lieberman is uninformed.. there are not 3 or 4 that say she said "I did it" you can tell by Vinnie's long pause after she said it
Exactly
She's guilty more than 1 medical professional heard her confess that
@@davidking6986 lol...more than one medical professional!... well ok no need to have a trial, you have got the goods!
@@davidking6986 but none of them told investigators during questioning? That's super suspicious. The police didn't even write that in the report. Super suspicious.
@@davidking6986So because more than one medical professional heard her say that but I believe only one wrote it in official reports and others that claim something like that magically come up with it at different times in front of different people.. you are now convinced she's guilty? I wouldn't wanna see you on my jury
Notice when she is asked directly if she did it, she doesn’t answer directly, she provides a reflective narrative and her attorney steps in and is the one to give a direct answer. That is a little troubling that she cannot directly affirm that she didn’t do it when asked directly and with no notice.
That did come across as problematic and then the attorney almost overly states how innocent she is, didn’t look good.
Karen to John. No CPR. Only smooching.
As far as a person being questioned by a grand jury can a witness answer questions never asked? I doubt it.
Is that brian albert in the background?😂 Black shirt blue tie?
First thing i noticed 😂 imagine
The clothes were taken but never checked,really???They took her car,tampered with it.....
OK guys the house wasn’t checked body cams weren’t War the chief deputy lives across the street. He has a camera on his house. No video was shown the guy that lived in the house. Made a butt dial call 222 then a Google search at 2:27 coat is missing his shoe is missing like I said, nobody cams or worn like I said only evidence was found after the snow melted after they seized her car. The girls probably said I’ll ride with you. Come pick me up because they were in it and they probably put it in her head. Maybe your tail is broke because you hit him, who knows but something is very fishy
If she hit him, it was obviously an accident.
yeah but she decided to be passed out drunk and drive. Everyone agree that if you drive drunk you should be criminally charge if you hit someone. thank you.
Yeah she going down because of her hatred and deceit she already confessed it
I disagree - as she admitted she’d hit him, she’d known she’d hit him but continued home and left him. May be she had expected him to get up and ring her ….. ⚖️
I agree it was an accident. Though her actions after have been truly deceptive, utter denial, and BLAMING friends and family
Her messages to him show she would not have been doing CPR on him other than to look innocent. The scratches on his arm look like fingernails and not dog bites either like she tries to claim.
Too much reasonable doubt IMO
No reasonable doubt IMO. No footprints in the snow, her messages, her history of accusing him falsely of cheating and there he's dead outside the house where a woman they know is (and he was before he left). Her saying those scratches look like dog bites when they look like fingernails. She did it because she's an abuser who thought he was cheating.
How else could Karen's Lincoln's tail light have cracked ....and break off???? 🤔
Something stinks. Anyone hearing someone repeatedly say I hit him would report that to the police. The missing shoe is a big deal, maybe in the car grill that hit him or in the house. If someone was dragged makes sense a shoe could come off. Hard to believe she hit him in the middle of the yard at night in reverse in the snow with enough force to kill him, some pretty skillful driving. Have you watched the average female parallel park?
I’m thinking she was spinning her tires in the snow. Faked out the odometer and sensors that thought she was going that fast. Sure, if the ground had traction.
Exactly. Where is the shoe? This is big for me also!! His shoe didn’t just walk away.
@@MonthieNo4that suv was all wheel drive…..she had traction!
misogynistic much??
Another four hour workday for judge Vader.
Yep, driving drunk in the snow. I mean, what accuracy, especially backing up in the dark and also not hitting the fire hydrate.
A question I have no heard asked or answered is: Who hates Karen Read so much that they would frame her for this ??
Apparently the FBI, CIA, entire Boston PD, state of Massachusetts, Russia, North Korea, I’m guessing the mob..
Crazy how KR & JO had no inkling how much he was hated & still wanted to hang out with these people. You’d think if everyone wanted him dead, they’d have used a much easier method than dog attack & beating during a snowstorm, knowing he and Karen Read would fight and she’d drop him off…cia prob installed a wire somewhere in her car prior to the bar.
It doesn't necessarily mean they hate her, just covering their own ass if they were responsible for his death!
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Could the shoe b in the house?!!Not being investigated at all,noone entered of check?!!
Why do you have this man on here??? He’s ridiculous
A murderer doesn’t sound or look like one way….
Why in the world havent they questioned the bartrnder who served her or her demeanor at the bsr before she left?
Those guests are amazing
Kevin looks to be grasping at straws here
Awesome studio location for the day 😉👍
💖💖💖 FREE KAREN READ 💖💖💖
Get off your drugs, Kevin, they collaborated on the story. Can’t wait to interview Jen McCabe
Powerful statements she made!
I know there wasn’t as much snow on the street when she dropped him off, and I’m from the south so I have zero idea about driving on it, but wouldn’t it be kinda hard to zoom backwards at that speed on a slick/wet surface….all while wasted?
NO SIR THEYRE WASN'T 12 INCHES OF SNOW!!
This horribly dishonest and ridiculous spectacle deserves a very harsh verdict.
I’m sorry but is anybody going to find that little cherub kid to the left of Vinnie and make him a star because I feel like we owe it to him. Those faces. 😂
Very claustrophobic room!😮
Dr Carol, you stumped Vinnie good point !
Astonishing case
Factually innocent
Makes o sense! Proscuters are loosing their butts! She has no reason to what him dead. Look at the 1st 2 witness.
Kevin works at a fast food restaurant right? I hope he's not in law.
Now this lady with the hair from the 80s has changed her words to I did it!! it’s like the game of friggin telephone
Why would all the cops say she did not say she hit him and then all the EMTs say she said she hit him? If this was a cover up by police, wouldn’t at least some of the police say that as well?