Why 99% of Junglers Are Bad (you're one of them)

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  • @Eagzv9
    @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    Do you understand now? Also, how's the editing? And do you want more short jungle guides like these? ❤

    • @itsemmaoce
      @itsemmaoce 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      So good

    • @DarthExylum-w7o
      @DarthExylum-w7o 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The editing is very well done and adds to your explanation. Honestly I can't understand why not more people watch your videos. You explain things clearly and in simple terms. I've been watching your videos for roughly half a year now, keep it up!

    • @216Lawliet
      @216Lawliet 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      yes please i prefere this than long video; even if long videos are interesting and maybe more relevant, idk shorts video like that with nice montage are better for the fcking adhd we all are

    • @DeicideAres
      @DeicideAres 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      from someone who heard you saw this live, this editing is top tier and puts more impact on your words.

    • @ShinsekaiAcademy
      @ShinsekaiAcademy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      This is beautiful, thanks mate.

  • @HuffleScrumblo
    @HuffleScrumblo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    I love that you include gameplay of other junglers, shows that it's not just a Shaco thing.

  • @dreamscapes2727
    @dreamscapes2727 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    I think a big reason why people do not move into the enemy jungle at early times is because if they do, they fear being collapsed on by the enemy laners or due to them overstaying which ends in them dying.

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      how are they gunna collapse on you when you kill the jungler within 3 seconds

    • @ZartekLaFigue
      @ZartekLaFigue 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Eagzv9 it depends on your champ ig, as playing tanks im not able to kill fast

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ZartekLaFigue yes prio matters maybe a bit more, but use your champion in the chall examples and i bet it would still be an easy 1v1

    • @AsdfFdsa-t4b
      @AsdfFdsa-t4b หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Eagzv9 gwen is NOT doing that in 3 seconds lmao

    • @Kmilo361
      @Kmilo361 หลายเดือนก่อน

      real argument to counter this is that if you get collapsed on you win, they lose xp and auto lose lane if it's early game, so easy answer is that they don't collapse and if the game is in a more advanced stage be mindful of lane prios

  • @Wonderboy205
    @Wonderboy205 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    Low Elo junglers are going to try this and feed the enemy Jg in their jungle 😂

  • @RocoPwnage
    @RocoPwnage 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Thing is that jungle is such a complicated role that my mental stack is already full from thinking about all 3 lanes, objectives and my own camps.
    Adding to this a guy who's in perma fog of war is really difficult because I'm so busy thinking about everything else that I inevitably lose track of him.
    This is why all junglers who do this are challenger. Not because it's such a groundbreaking complicated concept, but because you need to be basically playing the entire rest of the game on autopilot to be able to add this to the list of things you're able to think about.
    "Just kill the enemy jungler lol" is the jungle version of "just get 10 cs per minute lol". In order to do this you need to already know how to do so many other things, that for 99% of players this is useless advice.
    I don't know if you have any lower elo students, but if you do genuinely have a conversation with them if they have the mental bandwidth to be thinking about this on top of everything else.

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      youre absolutely right bro, this comes naturally to challs but its very difficult for everyone else so it’s not really saying to go out and do this, i literally made the vid just to show the diff 👍

    • @RocoPwnage
      @RocoPwnage 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Eagzv9 I see, fair enough

  • @catezachamane
    @catezachamane วันที่ผ่านมา

    This video was so good and i actually learnt something. Love that you teach over examples instead of longass explanations, it makes me memorize a lot better!

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      np bro thanks for the comment

  • @astral7-
    @astral7- 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Could never be me (got demoted to bronze 4 yesterday)

  • @SorakaOTP462
    @SorakaOTP462 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The reason in lower elos you don't always try to kill the jungler is because of a huge RNG value. You go to enemy jungler's side when he's low, try to kill him and guess what, his mid and top/bot rotates towards you and killing you. Meanwhile enemy juingler now goes towards your side of jungle and fucks your camps. Challenger players are basically coin flipping all the time cause that's the only way you can pass the 50% winrate threshold.
    Basically if you play normally and don't make any mistakes, you will be stuck at a certain rank (master-GM probably), and the only way to increase this winrate is by coin flipping like what you saw here. You may win or lose by pure luck, but that's what gets you to challenger if you do this enough times and become really lucky, that's why challenger players are such low player base.

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      bro when you type the sentence, ‘challenger players are basically coin flipping all the time’, you need to really think about your life choices

    • @SorakaOTP462
      @SorakaOTP462 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Eagzv9 If a bronze-plat player tried to play like those challengers did, it's likely they wouldn't climb consistently. Focusing on fundamentals is way more important than trying to do something risky with unknown 40-60% success rate. There's just too many variables and being consistent with farm, taking objectives that are free and using common sense in general is much easier way to climb.

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      right, you do realise because challenger junglers can see these moves and then execute them is the biggest reason as to why they are chall and no one else is? they can play their champs at peak and actually think about the enemy jg…ofc if youre really low elo you should focusing on perfecting clears and micro/combos but that’s not what the video is about is it bro

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      also funny how you dont think this is common sense when the enemy jungler basically waves at you asking you to kill them

    • @SorakaOTP462
      @SorakaOTP462 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Eagzv9 Challengers can see these moves easier because when you spend thousands of games on same role, you start predictive tracking everyone subconsciously like there are 5 parallel universes this game took place and you know the reality will collapse the moment you see enemy jungler appear on screen, much like Schrödinger's cat experiment. But for an average player who belong in their elo this amount of foresight is mentally impossible. If you go to enemy side of the jungle after he died, you don't know for sure what's going to happen, your quantum thinking is not yet developed, which is why I said it mostly comes down to risky play. Also, in low elo especially, there's a high chance you'll be waiting too long for enemy jungler to come, soon to realize he was either afk in base 15 seconds or doing some really weird route, which in turn, just wastes your time.

  • @Basichamp
    @Basichamp 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Because invading the enemy jungler is pretty dangerous plus it needs proper jungle tracking, counting CS, team koordination, good wave states and a good understanding how the fight plays out. The Risk is just way to high. Its much easier and more consistent to path to your darius lane and gank/dive the opponent.
    I mean ofc you are right, but implementing proper invades is very hard. Anyways thanks for the reminder, I will try it out in my own games.

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      yes its hard but all those details you mentioned you can see those in the clips…the invades are so quick and hard if not impossible to react to right? if youre running through vision or get spotted then yes, it makes it very difficult

  • @ThieVuz
    @ThieVuz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think the issue I personally face a lot of the time is that I hear that champs like Lee, Elise, Xin, Nidalee etc. are 'super strong early invaders' and then I proceed to invade and die.
    It just puts me off of early invades all together, I just can never really seem to grasp the timing/matchup and would rather just not risk it and safely farm and scale.
    I never really invade until I am 100% certain I can win, besides that its very easy to say 'just invade and kill' but in that Shaco/Wukong clip their botlane is also under tower and could very easily defend the jungle invade

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      can you see how these invades are like ambushed? they happen very quickly so laners dont even have time to move, they will only be an issue when they know you’re invading beforehand…and there is no set rule/premeditated idea here, it’s you being able to track the enemy jungler and envision a kill on your champ

  • @PhO3NiX96
    @PhO3NiX96 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Everytime I invade ennemy jungle to try and kill him, I get collapsed by 2 lanes at once and end up dying, I stopped trying at some point.

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      well you need to almost ambush them bro, you cant really pull off an invade if you let them know 10 seconds before

    • @PhO3NiX96
      @PhO3NiX96 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Eagzv9 No no I totally get that, but by the time you start the fight, you usually take a good 15 seconds to kill them so by the time it's done the lanes are collapsing and you end up getting caught before having time to escape. I dont play Shaco tho, I play Kindred and Khazix for example

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      do you think you could kill the chall junglers who they kill in the examples?

    • @PhO3NiX96
      @PhO3NiX96 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Eagzv9 So assuming I'm gonna be Khazix instead of the champ in the examples:
      Clip 1/ for sure not, and I would probably die from Viego using stun on me and Fiora collapsing after I had to use my Jump to get in range of him assuming I make the same pathing to stay out of vision as long as possible.
      Clip 2/ I would kill Vi but since Hwei goes missing pretty early, I'm pretty sure that my with jump on Cd I would probably be at risk of dying there, maybe 50% chance
      Clip 3/ assuming I have opportunity or Ghost blade and my R ready with Q evolve I think I win this and get away with it fine.
      Clip 4/ lvl 2 khazix I'm pretty sure I lose that because I would arrive with 75% at best starting raptors with W lvl1 and I wouldn't be able top drop Rengar low enough to win the contest over the gromp since we're both melee and I dont have mobility just yet.

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      in clip 1 Viego might have used W on Gromp but even if he doesn’t, you jumping on him and getting him to 250-300HP automatically wins you the fight, then you choose to either chase him for kill or chill and wait, if fiora comes then she loses XP/gold and youre still beating Viego
      in clip 2 you are full HP, how is a scaling mage going to do anything to you
      in clip 3 yes, good
      in clip 4 yes, it’s different for kha’zix but if you started red you could and skill E second, but you needa know you can get him on gromp and without smite it’s hard

  • @drweam214
    @drweam214 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    1:35 this Eagz a troll shaco player 😂😂😂❤

  • @marderprod
    @marderprod 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great vid, loved the editing.
    Although there are "no counterpicks in jungle", including the jungler as the enemy champ to kill changes things, yeah?
    Is it just limit testing to understand which matchups are doable and which aren't?

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      they will be using spells on camps and losing HP, but yes you need to envision HOW your champ can kill someone, shaco is different to Talon for example - i would have Q’d over the raptor wall and killed Vi on her raptors

  • @DanteSouzaDementor
    @DanteSouzaDementor 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great content, greetings from Brazil

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      thanks bro

  • @lout9231
    @lout9231 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    would it be a mistake in the low elo clip 1 to just move straight to invade J4s topside the moment you see he is botside rather than first clearing blue/gromp krugs? I would usually try this then sequence back down then across to my red unless there's a free lvl 3 top gank on the way

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      very good spot bro, i told the student to do exactly what you said but seeing as he didn’t, what i say in this video is best

  • @Rover074
    @Rover074 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    No way. Not you stealing wolves while killing that Lee sin 😭😭

  • @johnthegreat7725
    @johnthegreat7725 หลายเดือนก่อน

    starting from the title. i have to let you know that I am a GOLD III jungler(very high elo)

  • @puppetmaskerr
    @puppetmaskerr 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very good production value

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      thank you man

  • @mgl2708
    @mgl2708 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    this is exactly why i ban shaco. shaco players in low elo have this innate sense of looking to kill the enemy jungler and dominate early game but in turn they completely suck in team fights and late game, hence why they are (probably) still low elo.

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      all shaco players are bad except me

    • @mgl2708
      @mgl2708 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Eagzv9 are you the best shaco itw? like, rankings wise and statiscally

  • @sentopain
    @sentopain 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I understand the concept but somehow even if I’m ahead I’m still losing 1v1 to champs like volibear, warwick, xin, trundle etc.
    My problem is I have a hard time knowing what matchups I win and which I don’t

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      what champ are you playing, and those champions are hard to beat for sure

  • @Ningensaker
    @Ningensaker 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    all this very smart concept brokes when enemy support comes and helps enemy jungler. Even if enemy adc is trapped under turret.

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      why doesnt that happen in the challenger clips? (there is a reason)

  • @JongSukHuy
    @JongSukHuy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    what if i go straight to j4 top side after clear blue lv2 in low elo clip 1 ?

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      yeh he could do this, i think blue - gromp - red, sit in raptor brush is best, but this would still be kinda close in timing i think so doing his blue quadrant for 3 is technically quicker

  • @X33Ultras0und
    @X33Ultras0und 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is literally 100% true.

  • @eiriklindmoen6498
    @eiriklindmoen6498 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i play zac what do i do? im almost always weaker than enemy jungler

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      do you think you could pull off the challenger invades in this video?

  • @ImCrudgo
    @ImCrudgo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    banger video

  • @panixzir7754
    @panixzir7754 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good strat but depends on champ you play and the much up you have vs

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      what champs couldn’t you do this on?

    • @panixzir7754
      @panixzir7754 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @Eagzv9 bel warwick maybe trundle graves good invaders

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ok, ill ask again, what champs could you not do the challenger invade examples on?

  • @ryanfoushee
    @ryanfoushee 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m a fiddle main in emerald and I’m worried about trying this cause fiddle is kind of a wet paper towel early. Into champs with CC, fiddle loses cause they cancel his drain, but champs without maybe. Any tips for a fiddle player?

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      probably best to just take camps instead bro, you can still do this but might need more prio than other champs

    • @ryanfoushee
      @ryanfoushee 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @ Ty :)

  • @Andreas-fn8mo
    @Andreas-fn8mo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    okay I get the point, quick question tho if I may: I do play shaco but I also do play yi, eve, Diana. Those are in my opinion not that great at invading early on. Like yes I do counter jungle but I feel like they arent good at level 3-5 ivnades to kill the enemy jungler. So what do I do with those? Because so far I jsut farm and counter jungle, except if I see an easy gank pre 6

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      just play one champ bro, no way your micro will even be at 10% on that many champs

    • @Bigzthegreat
      @Bigzthegreat หลายเดือนก่อน

      you can invade though. The whole point of invades is that they waste 1-2 abilities on a jungle enemy, and are likely low, making the 1v1 free. You'd have to be going up against a warwick for you to still lose with those champions

  • @em8452
    @em8452 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why do we mortals do this? Because a silver laner won't give a rats ass that he is losing all his farm when I have 2 prio lanes and they will still come and bumf*ck me in the enemy jungle. That, and I play Diana who I'm scared of going near almost every jungler early. But I'm in silver for a reason.

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ok but did the challenger junglers need their team?

  • @JongSukHuy
    @JongSukHuy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    honestly i play like u said jungle is 1v1 persepective but it make me just focus on enemy jg and not care about lane like sometimes i lead enemy jungler and wanna kill them on their jungle then i forget to check lane to see if i can kill them. but sometimes i wanna invade and check lane and confuse should i gank or invade

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      choose whatever gives you more gold and what leads to more gold

    • @JongSukHuy
      @JongSukHuy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Eagzv9 if theres 2 camp bot side and dragon but top lane is killable should i go top

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      if top lane will big impact the result of the game then yes - but you’re really hoping your top laner carries when you do that because giving up a whole quadrant is very risky

  • @Kashiie25
    @Kashiie25 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I felt targeted by that video title even tho I don't jungle 😆

  • @gentlecloud4527
    @gentlecloud4527 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The way you pronounce Velja hurts my soul, but great video as always

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      was the hardest part of the video ngl

  • @Speedy-Rabbit
    @Speedy-Rabbit 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    hey Eagz im a Lee OTP, masters peaker (currently high emerald, dont ask) and i have a much better winrate on blue side because of the ability to do raptors-red-krugs into enemy gromp with bot prio, using the brush to hide the gromp and from there contesting blue or diving/ganking depending on how bot lane changed. Is there any similar route that is available when starting on red side? red raptors gromp seems horribly inefficient to invade, taking entire blue quadrant leaves me without red buff, im a bit unsure on how to be aggro after 3 camps in the same way i am on blue side

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      just do raps krugs red so you’re more flexible, can still play to that closer side lane but can happily path towards next set of camps…id probably have to look at one of your games too bro

    • @Speedy-Rabbit
      @Speedy-Rabbit 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Eagzv9 raps krugs red needs E-Q or it's too slow, and that leaves you kinda low for invade which is why i do raps red krugs with E-W instead, which leaves me at full hp with potion ready to fight
      ofc if im not planning to invade or level 3 gank then it's the route you said
      thanks for the reply tho

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      only do that when you know enemy jg is starting top side btw, and yeh your micro on Lee is not gunna be great so i would focus on what you do when you gank/fight first, then worry about macro

  • @cluckytheeducky
    @cluckytheeducky 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    would this work against scaling junglers like hecarim / shyvanna? I feel like those champs need at least a 1 item lead before doing things like that but I want to hear your thoughts

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      it works when the enemy jungler you’re against is letting you know they will be somewhere and you can kill

    • @cluckytheeducky
      @cluckytheeducky 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Eagzv9 just realized I worded it weirdly, but as long as I think I can get the kill after they show on vision I can do it regardless of champs?

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ofc, you still need to envision the kill and that comes down to champ mastery/knowledge i guess

  • @circIe3
    @circIe3 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Facts my brother, spit your shit indeed I should do this more

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      no idea what you typed but thanks

  • @parasocks1613
    @parasocks1613 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    what about lane prio? what if farming camps as usual is what would get me the most gold at that moment? at what point does the gold earned from killing the enemy jungler become negligible relative to camps or objectives?

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      when the kill and what it leads to doesn’t beat what you would get doing something else

    • @parasocks1613
      @parasocks1613 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      so killing the enemy jungler is less of a super duper exploit that alters fundamental gameplay, and more of a regular option, just lesser known? like taking both scuttles when you get the first, or intentionally giving up drake to invade topside jungle and dive the enemy top without losing any of your camps

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      yeh no one talks about it because they dont know chall jungling, but you see it all the time, literally took me 10 mins to find the chall clips

  • @ibrahimsalah485
    @ibrahimsalah485 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    good stuff

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      thanks bro

  • @pedrocintron2606
    @pedrocintron2606 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I understand now…

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      kappa

  • @ahsaft
    @ahsaft 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i dont rlly see agurin do this much tho

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      right…but you just saw Kaos (Rank 1 EUW, last split before Talon buffs) and Velja (Rank 1 EUW) do it?

  • @abdullahzaman6417
    @abdullahzaman6417 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m definitely not one of them (I am NOT close to diamond)

  • @matteobombelli9044
    @matteobombelli9044 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    We re literaly died in 3 going to put down the ward at the early 3 minutes, then get invaded, gg

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      bro would you mind…repeating that

    • @matteobombelli9044
      @matteobombelli9044 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @Eagzv9 i was just describing one of my games in which i would try this xd. But i'm looking forward to try this kind of jungling method

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      it’s you listening to the enemy champions, that’s all it is

  • @sejisen2346
    @sejisen2346 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nah, Full clear will be daily!!!

  • @charsasd7294
    @charsasd7294 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Am i one of them Eagzy? 🥺

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      umm…yes

  • @tyomka8
    @tyomka8 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    coach Eagz are you getting enough sleep? Do you eat healthy?

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      no, and no

  • @sebastianbechpetersen858
    @sebastianbechpetersen858 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Damn bro, take it easy with the titles. You hurt my feelings🥺

  • @Parsa_San
    @Parsa_San 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Flippy play style. Not a fan of going psychotic prior to first item spike

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      but your playstyle keeps you low elo, surely you'd be chall if it worked?

  • @majester
    @majester 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i think Shaco has been unplayably bad lately and as a Shaco OTP im not happy with this situation. What are your thoughts? What kind of build do you recommend me to go for?

    • @Eagzv9
      @Eagzv9  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      just being honest with you here bro, your micro is gunna be troll, go watch my recent shaco mechanics guide a couple weeks ago