Joe is close with Elon Musk, he could certainly raise this and ask for change. If Elon/Tesla made public statements about this issue and working to a solution to stop it happening, it would then put pressure on every other company to 'PR' their stance as well.
@@aubree455 not voting for rich people, stop listening to the news, get off social media. That's a start, but there's so much out of everyone's control. Too little too late.
This is the closet thing to a perfect podcast I have ever listended to. 1. Important subject matter 2. A guest with first hand experience who was able to articulate important information in an easy to understand way. 3. A combination of a great communicator and a great listener. They stayed on the subject matter, a balance of facts and emotion. I hope something gets done and the world take notice.
Say"EH WAS NAILED TO THE CROSS WITH A CROWN OF THORNS! OH WAS TO THE LEFT AND UH RIGHT. PEOPLE FROM ANOTHER PLANET ARE TRYING TO TAKE OVER EARTH WITH CIRCUMCISION AND EARRINGS! GOD WAS CIRCUMCISED"
Unfortunately, Some of Siddharth's point were not correct. EVs use only 10% of the world's batteries. The other 90% is used in things we all use every day. Your car, even though it takes Gasoline, has parts that were made using Cobalt. Your tires have Cobalt in them, your Airbags have Cobalt in them, the paint on your car has Cobalt in it. Everyone is complicit. We all use Cobalt, It's not just Electric Vehicles.
Nothing will be done. Marketing is just another form of propaganda, and these people have millions of data points on each and every one of us with algorithms that can predict our behavior down to the minute with 99+% accuracy. They know exactly when and how to push our buttons, and we lack the will to break free.
@@NAY2GASIt seems you misunderstood his point. What he said specifically, is that the projected increase in demand for electric vehicles is projected to drive growth in demand for cobalt in the coming decades. He also used the specific example that an EV battery uses 10 KG of refined cobalt, which is about 1000 times what a cell phone battery requires.
When I was a kid, I thought of heroes physically fighting off evil and being seemingly invincible. This man is a true hero! Not invincible, no weapons and no fighting. That's utterly terrifying. The bravery something like this must take is outstanding. Thank you for your service, be safe! 😅
Say"EH WAS NAILED TO THE CROSS WITH A CROWN OF THORNS! OH WAS TO THE LEFT AND UH RIGHT. PEOPLE FROM ANOTHER PLANET ARE TRYING TO TAKE OVER EARTH WITH CIRCUMCISION AND EARRINGS! GOD WAS CIRCUMCISED"
The older you get the more you realize that the population is nuts. Even JRE podcasts, Lex fridman, Jordan peterson etc are only watched by a relative few. People see millions of subscribers and don't bother to think that these top guys are only reaching 10 % of the population of the US at BEST.
Until the MSM gets the story and the information become a part of their news feed. Then they'll be repeating it like parrots and people will never forget it until the next news story shows up.
Cobalt is difficult to fix. Diamonds are not. A higher priority should be doing away with the silly societal norms that we do like paying a wildly falsely inflated price for a mineral that is not rare to show our significant other how much we love them by supporting an industry like we're seeing in this video. We should start there first. Not with cobalt because if we can't even shame our friends for buying a potential "blood diamond" then why tf would you think cobalt, a necessity, is going to change. It's not.
@@getstuk87 I didn’t mean to laugh at this comment but the absurdity you highlighted was too great. Well said and very true indeed. I use to work for a jeweler at my local mall. The customers that would come in to our store were the most pretentious and petty self indulgent people I have ever known. I left after a few months and glad I did. Knowing how and where these diamonds come from made me question my morals. It’s like Las Vegas. It’s all a facade. A veneer of spectacle to draw people in only to find out the dark truth beneath the surface. The problem is no one ever looks.
Great job Joe, I've been telling people this for years. People claim to not believe it, but its becoming more and more apparent that they just don't care.
Don't focus on the person, focus on the facts. Even if he provides us with valuable facts, he still used marxist key vocabulary like "agitation" so always beware of worshipping people. There's no need for it. Could be that he used those words innocently, could be that he has marxism in his background or planned future activities.
There's plenty of them... The problem is, as soon as they publish a story that sheds light on corporate or government crimes, the MSM labels them conspirationists and people swallow that shit whole... Just think how The Grey Zone got cancelled for insisting that the Hunter laptop wasn't a conspiracy.
I am a Congolese living in Seattle and I appreciate the effort that joe put in place to shade light on this tragic reality that is happening in my country. It’s very sad that people are enjoying the fruit of child labor who are not even suppose to be working and the world is not doing anything
Part of the problem is this: Big American companies, e.g. Apple, go to Chinese manufacturers and lay out rules for production, e.g. "no artisanal miners". Those Chinese manufacturers then go and do whatever they want, ignoring all the rules to save a buck. When Apple finds out, they say, "Hey, we said no artisanal miners!" Those managers of these Chinese manufacturing firms say, "What? You were SERIOUS about that??" At this point, even if Apple immediately starts changing plans to avoid using these corrupt manufacturers, it still takes them three years to change course, finding new manufacturers, due to being such a huge organization.
I am reading Kara‘s book, Cobalt Red, right now! It’s incredibly well written, very informative, disturbing, and hard to put down. Everyone needs to read it!
Agree, read Cobalt Red and its the most disturbing book I've ever read. Especially the last chapter they talk about tunnel collapes where 30 to 60 children die every time.
I see Indians building rain catchments in their thousands to bring green back to the soil. Get these same men and do the same thing. Its amazing what can be achieved without machinery. In the west we have no jobs, the machines have taken over. The West is nothing but corporate slavery and it still covertly controls Africa through the ownership of Corporations and control of puppet leaders. Babylon is nearing its death throws, thank heavens..
@@joshuagibson2520 Im originally from Nigeria living in New Zealand for the past 10 years. I try to keep myself updated with the continent that I call him as much as possible till I get a chance to go back. Hearing what Siddaharth reveals about the Congo cobalt situation breaks my Heart because I now know that due to my "Tech Consumerism", I am adding to the problem my Congolese brothers and sisters in the mines are going through right now. I need to make some ....CORRECTION- I MUST MAKE SOME LIFESTYLE CHANGES!
@@RealTalkWithRoadMan I feel ya brother. We're all complicit in one way or another and we need to make some changes. Greetings from your hillbilly friend in Tennessee, USA.
People are selfish, self-centered, and unconcerned about anything beyond personal status and the stuff they use to escape being alone with themselves. People could be so much better, but they are mostly ignorant, stressed sheep driven by fear and insecurity.
Huge thank you to Joe for bringing Siddharth Kara on the show to expose this deeply depressing important yet shunned issue. I ordered the book immediately after watching this clip and just finished it. Truly horrifying stuff.
I'm a house painter and i remember a few years ago it was mandatory for the paint industry to replace the cobalt in paint for another product. We were told it was a health issue... Now years later i know better than that!
Because truth can't hide it self and a lie is always naked, they never thought the same device that they use for mind control will start to expose them.
I don't think that's the insane part, what's insane is that nothing will change. This video will age, along with the generations that now rely on cobolt fueled technology.
@@danceyrselfkleen Well as a Congolese this is common knowledge to us and we have try but our government is corrupt to the core we can’t do shit. Add that with the current war going on with M23
His book Cobalt Red is very important and illuminating. It was also very disturbing and traumatizing when he described what the miners in Congo go through.
@@blank1778 Not obly that but there is no signs they are going to recycle these minerals at all. Tesla claims it will but once you dig deeper the batteries arent even designed to be recycled easily, it uses alot of glues, it can be only done by producing toxic waste either by dipping in the axid or burning it all off. Now imagine when millions of these massi e batteries start coming back for recycling because Tesla guaranteed they will pick them up, they didnt say they will actaully recycle them. Just think of hoq much toxic waste is goibg to be produced and dumped where?
@@sentolt7460 not to mention any work we did to change the landscape would be totally undone by China in a second. Also if it's not cobalt with Africa it's just going to be something else... It's almost like until Africans decide to grow up and take responsibility for their crappy decisions they're bound to repeat
We wouldn’t need so much of it if they didn’t drop a new iPhone every year and started messing with the ones we already own to drive us out to get the new one
I'm from Congo. It's amazing how this is unknown to many Americans or the rest of the world for the most part. I've spoken on these issues 15 years ago, back in my college days. But as they say, when money talks, truth is silenced.
Not to mention the people responsible for this put up smoke and mirror screens in other countries, like all that woke stuff and BLM. They pretend to care, yet do this.
This man is a true journalist. Sad, gone are the days when they would travel to to the problem. Today, people and major news stations are buying stories.
What? Some of the biggest news you see come from freelance. Nothing wrong with that. Good journalists can get 150-300k $ for a good story. Atleast. Sidartha is a well paid journalist, in advance. He makes good shit gets good pay and opportunities.
Yeah true journalism didn't do a thing but wrote a booka nd made some money though. 😂💀 And you ate it up hook line and sinker bet you already have the book in your Amazon cart.
Remember when Joe saw a boxing match and thought it was a dad beating up his son and talking about how messed up it was? Well turns out he got that completely wrong and it was instead a match at creator clash. True journalism
My respects sir if most ppl picked a something like this or even something less severe but if everyone was to make a effort to bring attention to one thing we can help to fix alot of issues would get more ppl working to fix them at least ease the suffering of those families good work you dedicated yourself to a good cause even if one family gets a better life cuz of this i would feel justified in all the work and chances are you have already helped many families
I went from this to the whole interview on Spotify. Incredible. I'm stunned by the work Kare has done. Rogan takes a lot of heat but I haven't seen anyone else giving this air time. Much appreciated. Siddharth Kara is a really brave man. This man's voice needs to be heard.
He takes alot of heat for a reason. People dont want the truth being told. His guests come from all walks so there is no reason for him to receive the hate he does plus he is pretty open minded
@@rebuttalc2075joe rogan has a lot of bad sides, they are well known, like when he’s cornered, he weasel his way out. But for sure sometimes he invites good people
J Peterson kissing the Orbanus hard for 50 million HUF: "my message to Hungarians: Do not rebel against your dictator! What your prime minister is trying to do is to restore the metaphysical foundation of the dirty-white Hungarian culture and race"
This is why news particularily in America is so fucked because it is just politics on the left or right. You don’t get good sources on what actually goes on in the world.
@@susanvandeneng5231 and do what? Your veterans have been telling everyone about this for two decades. If anyone is listening, no one is doing anything. You want to do something with money? Don't spend it on these companies. Cut your dependence on the products.
I truly hope new battery technology will make cobalt irrelevant like synthetic rubber replaced natural rubber’s market demand. The scale of this problem is so enormous and challenging to solve.
Nobody can understand how important it was for this man to divulge this story on this particular podcast. This is the catalyst that was needed for visibility.
@@sandylynn7343 Have you seen the part where he says Apple is the biggest offender, Tesla has actually transitioned half its new cars off cobalt batteries and all major electronics like smart phones use cobalt? Sandy sandy sandy...
Why do we care? If any of you are shocked then I am sorry, you are either dumb or naive. We live in a world of limited resources and first world countries use either military or economic incentives in order to get the resources that it needs from whatever part of the world. In this case it's pure capitalism. If those people working that mine had any other better option for making money than they would do it but they see value in being hired for a dollar a day and what is wrong with that? These people don't live the same as you and I in the west. For some strange reason, y'all think that the entire world lives like we live. No billions of people in this world. Wake up every morning to do exactly what you saw in that video.
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i had many mentors all of them were wise . what do you mean. what would make you think that there is something wrong with what i said did you see kit fisto spelling off a mentor who was like a brother to me once told me “if we don’t stop barack scumbama now he could become a threat later” “if we don’t stop barack scumbama now he could become a threat and a danger to our later generation our loved ones.” -teleportdinero i’m not saying that i agree with you but then again I’m not always correct either I remember a time back in the 80s when I was growing up things were different back then these youngsters today what makes you think that? It’s all right to disagree with people I remember when I was a young man growing up in the 80s in America it was a different time then back then we used to call each other this is the best I’ve seen from you guys in a while
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We'll all click the next video and forget about it within a couple days for the most part, except occasionally to bring it up in conversation to virtue signal our awareness and "compassion". How many of us will stop using cell phones, tablets, electric cars, etc.? That's really the only thing that will change what's going on, because it's all about greed.
I've known about this for 5 years. A client asked me to research the three main metals that comprise these batteries, cobalt, copper and lithium. I was shocked to learn of cobalt's toxicity and the child labor used to extract it.
you didnt care to research for your client how small children, in the rain, with bare hands, dig 9999999 tonns of cobolt every day? didn't ring a bell? let me guess: "african 6 year old children dig 99999999999 tonns of cobalt ore every day, in the rain, with nothing but bare hands, while a mean man shouts at them." somehow, it makes sense to dig with small children bare hands in the rain, than with massive modern mining equipment? kekw, sure.. and nobody thinks its a set-up pictures and articles. nobody checks sources. only American oil can save us, not those 6 year old cobalt ore diggers. this "critical" audience doesn't even think one second, that it just might be falsified sources, with dudes just paid for photoshoots and videos. this "academic researcher" doesn't once ask, is it any point to try to dig with small children with bare hands, when you need 9999999tons per day. obviously they cant dig anything. obviously its bogus. even congolese warlords/chinese warlords would need serious mining equipment, obviously, not kids or adults being useless. 6:10 "this mine shibara.. they're not supposed to be here.. lo and behold I walk into this place and this is what I see.." sure you didn't pay those movie extras to be there? give me a break. if you would dig by hand in 21st century there would be nothing done. 8:21 are there industrialized cobalt mines that use machinery? - ive never seen one. now you know he is just full of bs. 10:02 "hundreds of thousands of people digging" this dude is a riot. nobody would know hundreds of thousands of people would be slaves? united nations? even united nations is in the pocked of "big electric"? give me a breaaaaaaaak. 10:45 "this is a made up video!" curious how he was pre-emptively defensive that his short videos are fake, just hired movie extras.
Point is there is no necessity to use child labour for mining these metals this issue and the toxicity are both issues that could easily be dealt with. People are just excited to have a reason to not use battery power.
A practical thing that can be made is raise donations for safety equipment for the people that dig in the cobalt mines and then we need to send a delegation that make sure the equipment is actually get to them safe and they wears it
Here is the sad part of this whole situation. There is a huge vein of Cobalt where I grew up in NW Ontario ( Google - Werner Lake Cobalt) that was mined in small quantities during the 2nd world war. A BC company has acquired the mineral rights for this cobalt years ago, but they still haven't mined it. I'm thinking that they can't compete against the child, slave labour in Africa.
It’s either pay one person $25+/hr (idk what miners make) or 25 people each $1 a day. Sounds really shitty, but it’s all about max profit with minimum investment
@@aa2339 That's not true. If you can mine 100x faster but at 100x the cost, its a net neutral, or so it seems. But if you dig deeper it isn't neutral, because you're using up more minerals for the same amount of profit. So your mine is going to run out of minerals and the slower, cheaper mine is going to win in the end.
And the left in their zeal to get people to convert to battery powered cars WILL NOT talk about the slave labor issue to mine the cobalt that you make batteries with because it doesn't fit their narrative !! 😡
Hi Joe👋 love your channel, big fan👍 This video just pop-up to me😊... Congrats on revealing what really going on in Africa,sad sad situation, people don't know, or don't want to know as longest they have their "comfortable life secured".... Just wanted to tell you to look on to COLTAN MINING, also in Congo, if you could, I think it's interesting too... Have great day you and your team👍
I got Siddharth's book on audio, and it's very important and disturbing. But I also listened to this entire interview because it felt like I had questions and comments I wanted to ask the book itself. And with this, it's like Joe was my proxy and Siddharth was the book.
You could hear his pain throughout the whole podcast, even had me emotional at time, problem is nothing will changed because if is not in front of you all the time we quickly forget and move on.
The problem is also that we pay attention to him and what he felt. And we don't try to look/feel what the people go through. I hope I conveyed what I meant. Summary: The observer is the observed. No division is needed.
The problem is, if these mines are automated then it will cause two things to happen: electronics will be more expensive and these people mining will be unemployed. It's not an easy problem to solve.
Exactly! And there's so much advertising money being spent towards putting our awareness on buying the next, new, smartphone/electrical vehicle (from drones, "skateboards", scooters, bicycles, motorcycles, and cars, up to buses and even larger more industrial vehicles and machines that rely on Rechargeable Lithium batteries, and as a result, Cobalt itself). I'd love to see the documentary this great journalist put together with the footage shown here..?! And share that to others, just like this JRE clip!👍💯
Thank you TH-cam for making sure I saw this lol it kept popping up on my feed but I kept avoiding it very informative thank you for this Joe and thank you TH-cam
I have been trying to talk about this for years. Since the first leaks 5/6 years ago. I can't tell you how many regular people literally want to fight me for pointing this out.
@RA. STAR go and start talking about the dark side of ev's and renewables to someone on the street. I guarantee you will find someone delusional enough to want to physically fight you over it. That was my point. Most of the time, you get apathy. And they just don't give a shit that there is a 6 year old in a toxic pit somewhere. As long as they get the newest thing, they don't give a shit. I'm all for renewable energy, but the way it's being pushed is dirty. The stupid batteries are not economical to recycle, what's going to happen in 8-10 years? Same thing that's been happening for the last 50, it gets shipped to the 3rd world and burned in open pits to extract minute amounts of copper or whatever. Look up how e-waste is disposed of. Most of it ends up in places where it poisons the surrounding land and communities.
I’m a Congolese living in Congo and I wanna Thank you so much for bringing awareness to this. Our country is beautiful but unfortunately too many people wants to benefit from our resources free of charge 🇨🇩💔
it really is sad that your government is being exploited instead of your country selling cobalt to the world for high prices since they need your resource for their electric vehicles
@@baljdeepinvajuna1363 the sun will burn a hole thru you soon enough. You're not natural here..How can something that benefits the earth, hurt you? Sounds like your creator doesn't love you. Your time is up💚
So please enlighten us, what other job opportunities do these people have? Are they missing out on better options or would they starve without this work? I'm curious your from there you can tell us
Joe should talk about the potential dangers of tattoos aswel! Inks aren’t even regulated by the FDA. Some of the ink used in the industry contains heavy metals such as cobalt, titaniumdioxide, murcury, etc. And many more… Some researchers found inks they used for printers or even For car painting… some contains formaldehyde or arsenicum… people really, look this stuff up and don’t get tattoo’s!
Really? He said there were American companies there. Imagine, if Americans treated the workers so well, paid them so well, why would anyone want to work for Chinese companies? How could Chinese companies find any workers in the area? If a Chinese company comes to your town open the same business, would quit your job, and to work for the Chinese company with less pay. Remember, American Companies were there before Chinese Companies moved in. Think about it. What he said does not make any fking sense. He can fool you easily, all he has to do is connect it to China. He knows the collective mood of Americans. Hating China is in high demand.
@@XXX_JiaYangGuiZi No, they weren't. I've worked in several African countries - American presence there is laughable compared to Chinese, who have a foothold in everything from mining to construction to timber and so on and so forth. You are talking out of your behind. And I'm Russian, so I have no emotional stake in making the U.S. look good. Just saying it like it is.
This guy wouldn't get a second of time on mainstream media because they are all in the same matrix together, so thanks Joe for continuing to provide people like him a platform!
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i had many mentors all of them were wise . what do you mean. what would make you think that there is something wrong with what i said did you see kit fisto spelling off a mentor who was like a brother to me once told me “if we don’t stop barack scumbama now he could become a threat later” “if we don’t stop barack scumbama now he could become a threat and a danger to our later generation our loved ones.” -teleportdinero i’m not saying that i agree with you but then again I’m not always correct either I remember a time back in the 80s when I was growing up things were different back then these youngsters today what makes you think that? It’s all right to disagree with people I remember when I was a young man growing up in the 80s in America it was a different time then back then we used to call each other this is the best I’ve seen from you guys in a while
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So glad things like this are being brought to the light. Wow. The sad thing is, is that nothing will be done, and these ppl actually need the money to feed themselves -_- where else can they get the money from? I hope something is fixed here and at least maybe they can get some safety equipment, but I don't see that happening either, as it's all about money to these greedy corps
As a Congolese, thank you for covering this Joe 😢 . Avoir un Corrupted gouvernement that doesn’t give a flip about son peuple c juste un high level of slavery.
STOP LOOKING UP. AFRICA SHOULD LOOK WITHIN. Please lead the way. We need to look UP to Africa, you are the soul of the world in the future. Order in the world now is a BS. USA won't solve shit. The last 100 years are proof in the pudding. JRE is the past, not the future. Last white man standing.
As a a woman of color this has broke me down drastically…wow..being what they call us here African American and knowing our ancestry roots are over there makes me sick to my stomach-I literally prance around with my shiny diamonds 💎 and high tech phones & tablets…I never knew of this, and I’m ashamed of myself 😢the oppression and brainwashing is real
Fascinating and depressing issue. The pervasive use of cobalt in every facet to today's life should make this a huge story. Thanks Joe and Siddharth for bringing this to light.
The upside down part of this is that if the world industrializes this those people will be left out and have even less money. How do we fix this and not leave them out?
Please remember that the minerals in this story are not the problem. The problem is our lack of transparency regarding supply chains. We must hold people accountable for where material comes from.
yes,the dependence on shitty,unnecessary tech and peoples idiotic reliance on it (cell phones,im talking to you)is the core of the problem.........you really think a car needs 15 body modules,6 cameras, 4 ecms ,a tablet and 800 feet of wire? ANY SUCCESSFUL business will always be done to meet the highest profit margin with the lowest bottom line,full stop
But coal and nuckkklear are bad so we need to mine cobalt which is used in these batteries.. so it’s a good trade off. And the politicians that are promoting this are saving humanity, because if we stay on this track, the world will be destroyed in 4 years.. that’s how much time we have left.. 4 years omg! These politicians deserve immense amounts of credit because they are doing this out of the kindness of their hearts. They love people, they love humanity, that’s why this is a great thing. Even my college professor says this is good. And also if you check fact-check there is no signs of slavery. We must put more trust into these corporations, and a lot of them are owned by great people who donate so much into helping humanity..
Do you see the video? Thats transparency. Do you think the corporations don't know? Do you really think that anyone will sacrifice social media to stop this? People couldn't care less.
My university specialised in teaching the idea of ESG/SRI investing in finance. I remember spending my entire time there arguing with the lecturers about these sustainability and ethics claims. What it really boiled down to, was aesthetics and perception. Westerners like the luxury of “buying ethically” (if we have money) It makes us feel good. It’s a status symbol too. But we don’t really want to know the truth. We don’t really want to give up something just because it’s mined or harvested terribly. The companies know this. The purpose of those ESG reports and others is marketing. They say that ESG companies produce slightly higher returns on investments in our current market. But that’s just because they have used faux morality to tap into the western consumer. It’s not because their practices are better. It’s because their perceived/advertised “practises” penetrate the market better. It’s all a scam. If you actually wanted to buy ethically you’d have to pay quite a bit more. Because the company wants its pound of flesh. They won’t sacrifice profits to be ethical. So either you the consumer pay quite a bit more, or you buy the companies lies. That’s the nature of almost all ethical companies. The truly ethical ones usually go bust, they just cannot compete. You’ll get genuine people who want to make an ethical company. It rarely works. Because their place in the market is drowned out by other companies advertising they do the same ethical practices but offer cheaper products.
Haha you're absolutely right, sad as it is I work at an indonesian company. We just onboarded a team of environmental and social impact team as a perma hire, whose sole job is to package the company in a way that makes us look good in the eyes of investors. It's all bullshit as nothing operationally changes, the team just look at any angles that can make em appear as having a good impact (e.g. look how our users from x industry are 73% women! we are having a tremendous impact compared to blah2) We still offer predatory products like BNPL, no one cares. When I first heard about this team i thought it was such a gimmick, but apparently it works as suddenly some western investors appear out the wazzoo offering us great deals, as it seems we fit into their esg policy or something It's all trolls trolling trolls
@@geralsetya4097 I'm glad to hear about these real-world examples of hypocrisy in action. It makes me hopeful that the charade will someday be exposed to everyone.
A recent study estimated that 3T miners earn around USD 2.7 and USD 3.3 per day in eastern DRC whereas 76% of the population lived with less than USD 1.9 a day in 2012 (de Brier et al. 2020, 9). Copper and cobalt miners have an average daily income of USD 7.65.
I am a Congolese , and i am working in a cobalt mine, i want you to know that everything exposed in this podcast is real. You cannot imagine how hard it is, we are not living anymore, we are now surviving. I think, when next generations will study this era , they will wonder how could such things was going on. Many will think that it's just a story, but it's our daily life
@@WeAgreeToDisagree1 probably many reasons Too dangerous to film without being caught Spotty internet connection, not enough time to upload, or hardly any access to the internet at all I'm sure the people that control the mines also control all communications coming out of the mine. They don't want to risk their lives or their families trying to expose the truth
What do you think are the solutions? Do these big tech companies take over the mines, or is the land already controlled by someone else? I wonder what we can actually do
@@WeAgreeToDisagree1 i am a human right activist, i have already try rising awareness trough social about certain things , but you don't know how deep these logistics and supply chain are organized, they got people everywhere, in the gouvernement, in institution, so no matter where you go you will fall on one of them. But we don't stop trying to do whatever we can to push things
@@gigahertz_1911 you said it. Many people , authorities and activist felt on this journey, and corruption is deep. With wisdom , i a m sure that , one day we will found a way There is a time for everything under the sun
Hands tied behind his back, hanging from a rope tied around his neck. Shot in the back of the head and the media will say it's suicide. 60% of ya'll will believe it cause the so called news told you too.
Thankyou Joe for telling us the truth. So disturbing and beyond unimaginable 😢. I cannot put this into words honestly. Government only care about money. We also need our kids to see where there phones laptops etc are coming from and maybe they will think how bloody lucky they are.
Green industry? Apple is not a green industry. Tech companies are not green industries. If you're refering the electric cars, the miners were not enslaved by environmentalism. Even without EVs this has been a problem for over a decade. Electric vehicles are only getting better, there are already rechargeable lithium batteries that have no Cobalt in them.
This isn’t about “green industry” cobalt is also used for gasoline… batteries and phones are not apart of the “green industry” Did you even watch the video?
“Artisanal” has such a positive connotation that I don’t believe it should be used to convey the idea of poverty stricken, slavery, unsafe manual mining.
Why does 'artisanal' have to have a positive connotation to it when that has absolutely nothing to do with the meaning of the word? Something good, something bad... I have been to plenty of shit coffee shops that are self proclaimed 'coffee artisans' - doesn't mean it's good coffee. All artisanal means it's produced traditionally or in a non-mechanized way.
When I was in my 20s I broke rocks all day long with a double jack(sledge hammer). I turned rocks the size of refrigerators into rocks the size of bowling balls, decorative "torazo". Sometimes I got tired and couldn't hit the rocks hard enough to break them and I stacked bags of crushed rock onto pallets while i "rested up". There were only a few dozen of us in the quarry, but there would have been 15,000 working there if there had been enough demand. This wasn't in the Congo, it was in California. BTW, there was no international out cry over our job conditions.
Well that’s the thing, doesn’t make sense to have 15,000 shoulder to shoulder busting rocks. Get in each others way, can move production etc. Even $1 a day 15,000 people it’s cheaper to put in a few people w excavators and jack hammers. So what’s going on?
you were earning significantly more than $1 a day, and you were working with strong healthy adults, not 5 year old childern and elderly at knife or gunpoint. so no, don't put yourself in the same position as these slaves.
@@asmosisyup2557 The weather's great ,they sleep on the ground, all they eat is rice any way , a dollar a day is good money and that's exactly why they're working there. I don't see in guns in the video I think it's the best job in town or they wouldn't be there.
Mainstream media is owned by corporations which obviously favor themselves. Fox "News" would never publish anything that makes their backers look bad. They highlight and promote companies which feed them money. Simple as that. If you pay a news media corporation enough money, they'll say whatever the bloody hell ya want. This isn't a refutable point, either; it's been demonstrated in thousands of instances. 🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨
What’s so crazy to me is that this is the same podcast that Elon Musk went on. JRE is a crazy platform that brings up pretty though topics besides controversial guests, comedy and mma at the same time. It’s so amazing! Thanks a lot for this episode, it is really important to show people the fucked up sides of the world we live in
What is crazy about that? LFP model 3, zero cobalt, all new cars will go to 4680 which is Zero cobalt. Cobalt is used to make every drop of oil on earth, yet there are plenty of cobalt free EV's on the road today.
Cobalt actually started much earlier, I remember me and my father running armed security for the cobalt freight trucks. We would meet them at the Botswana border and escort them to a main hub in Johannesburg, these trucks would often get highjacked on route, once criminal organizations figured out the value of them.
When an American hears that some aspect of their lifestyle is created by slave or child labor we are programmed to semi acknowledge the atrocity verbally but we never take the time to Google the details and learn the extent of the suffering. We don't know how bad it is because we don't want to know.
I think this is a really interesting topic, and a very difficult situation that the world is in. How do you all think we should respond as a global community to this issue? Do you think there is anyway we can encourage an independent nation (the Congo) to be more aware and proactive of social welfare issues? Or do you feel as though we should look into alternative sources for our Cobalt consumption, recently Norway have found a very large deposit of Cobalt and other minerals in one of their bays (approx. 3.1 million tons) should we move our consumption away and focus on building mining infrastructure to support our supply demands from here? I would love to get your thoughts on the matter.
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As he is talking, I realized everyone is watching this on their phones, laptops and they are sitting in a room full of the stuff. It is a sad reality of our modern world. It almost can't be helped.
Gah dam your so right thank you I realized it when i read your comment. We dont need any of these things to live we need food shelter and water not a dam luxury vehicle
I am very happy to see this stuff on TH-cam so that the rest of the world can see what is happening in Congo 🇨🇩 , this is my hometown, the Chinese and our leaders had to displace us to different areas in the forest and build the smaller houses so that they can have access to the cobalt and promised to care about our issues which was a big false promises, but the phone, electric car and battery companies are getting richer without giving back to local people, this need to change for the sake of humanity.
I couldn’t disagree more, I mean yeah I agree that Joe Rogan is good, but these people are poor. their socioeconomic status does not matter in their setting. What’s bad is when you have people who are mega rich in America and people who are poor in the same damn country. why aren’t we talking about that? So what if someone has more goats than you, but when somebody has a fucking mansion and you don’t even have a pot to piss in yet you live in the same country, you become an outcast of your society.
@@almightysosa3007 what area of the ocean bottom though, that's vital info you left out. It's not feasible to mine cobalt from the ocean floor as of yet , not on the level it's occuring in the congo. If it were it would already be happening at a massive scale as it is in the congo......
Now that you are aware what steps are you prepared to take to hinder this? Are you going to stop buying cell phones, laptops, etc? If not then awareness means literally nothing.
@@89burni politics aren't going to interfere with things happening in other countries especially when a company isn't based in the United States. Addionally, consumerism drives the market, politicians/governments depend on consumerism to survive. So politics aren't going to solve this. It's up to the consumer to say hey Apple, telsa etc. We're not going to buy anymore of your products until something is done about this. Otherwise it won't change.
If we could all shed our ego and dedicate our life to a meaningful existence like this man. He is truly someone to be admired and respected. Finally, Joe got someone to talk about this, he’s mentioned it many times.
@@Bone_Thug the elites allow this because they want the wealth. Money and oil make the world go around, if we correct what is wrong say goodbye to technology that's why nothing will be done.
The guest obviously knows his stuff, and I am impressed by how he started out sounding a bit nervous (in my opinion) and became confident and impassioned when describing the video.
There's no cobalt (or for that matter nickel) in LFP batteries (lithium iron phosphate). These are becoming more and more common because they're cheaper and safer, and also don't happen to have the cobalt issue. For example the standard range Tesla model 3 uses these, as well as many other EVs.
@@Billy.80 Yeah, "people" do. I was at the grocery store earlier and some guy was ignoring the fact that cobalt has been used for desulfurization of crude oil for 80+ years. "People" don't know what that means you nerd.
0.0017 United States Dollar. Xaf congo $ Salaries in the category: Mining, Metallurgy. The gross salary range for people working in Congo in Mining, Metallurgy is typically from 31,156 XAF (minimum salary) to 78,122 XAF (highest average, actual maximum salary is higher). This is the total monthly salary including bonuses. 132 usd month
This is one of the best examples of what JRE can do to bring awareness to issues that are purposefully swept under the rug.
Fucking rights man. That's some heavy shit I'm so unconscious to. All we can do is vote with our money
99% of people of the world don't give a shit and sadly i have to say, i am one of them.
Srsly this wasn’t even on my radar and it’s horrific
We need to think about every step of our supply chain and re invent it for future generations
Joe is close with Elon Musk, he could certainly raise this and ask for change. If Elon/Tesla made public statements about this issue and working to a solution to stop it happening, it would then put pressure on every other company to 'PR' their stance as well.
You can just tell, what this man witnessed is still haunting him.
I noticed that too. It really makes this sink into your soul when he speaks of what he's seen.
God Bless him for exposing this evil. What can we do?
when westerners see something thats been the norm in other countries for years
It was just people digging. He's a wussy.
@@aubree455 not voting for rich people, stop listening to the news, get off social media. That's a start, but there's so much out of everyone's control. Too little too late.
This is the closet thing to a perfect podcast I have ever listended to.
1. Important subject matter
2. A guest with first hand experience who was able to articulate important information in an easy to understand way.
3. A combination of a great communicator and a great listener. They stayed on the subject matter, a balance of facts and emotion.
I hope something gets done and the world take notice.
Both of them speak so well, they use satisfying vocabulary but it isn’t too complicated like jordan peterson
Say"EH WAS NAILED TO THE CROSS WITH A CROWN OF THORNS! OH WAS TO THE LEFT AND UH RIGHT. PEOPLE FROM ANOTHER PLANET ARE TRYING TO TAKE OVER EARTH WITH CIRCUMCISION AND EARRINGS! GOD WAS CIRCUMCISED"
Unfortunately, Some of Siddharth's point were not correct. EVs use only 10% of the world's batteries. The other 90% is used in things we all use every day. Your car, even though it takes Gasoline, has parts that were made using Cobalt. Your tires have Cobalt in them, your Airbags have Cobalt in them, the paint on your car has Cobalt in it. Everyone is complicit. We all use Cobalt, It's not just Electric Vehicles.
Nothing will be done.
Marketing is just another form of propaganda, and these people have millions of data points on each and every one of us with algorithms that can predict our behavior down to the minute with 99+% accuracy.
They know exactly when and how to push our buttons, and we lack the will to break free.
@@NAY2GASIt seems you misunderstood his point.
What he said specifically, is that the projected increase in demand for electric vehicles is projected to drive growth in demand for cobalt in the coming decades.
He also used the specific example that an EV battery uses 10 KG of refined cobalt, which is about 1000 times what a cell phone battery requires.
When I was a kid, I thought of heroes physically fighting off evil and being seemingly invincible. This man is a true hero! Not invincible, no weapons and no fighting. That's utterly terrifying. The bravery something like this must take is outstanding. Thank you for your service, be safe! 😅
Yes, Heroes comes in many forms.
Say"EH WAS NAILED TO THE CROSS WITH A CROWN OF THORNS! OH WAS TO THE LEFT AND UH RIGHT. PEOPLE FROM ANOTHER PLANET ARE TRYING TO TAKE OVER EARTH WITH CIRCUMCISION AND EARRINGS! GOD WAS CIRCUMCISED"
I had same thoughts too when I was a kid
His weapon is TRUTH ... and the JRE platform.
As a mechanic I’ve been educated on this since 2014. No one would listen too me, I’m just a mechanic who fixes tractor trailers.
The older you get the more you realize that the population is nuts. Even JRE podcasts, Lex fridman, Jordan peterson etc are only watched by a relative few. People see millions of subscribers and don't bother to think that these top guys are only reaching 10 % of the population of the US at BEST.
People only hear what they WANT to hear. No one is listening any more.
Mechanic here agreed unfortunately once you get a higher pay grade it’s seems the lessers are forgotten
Until the MSM gets the story and the information become a part of their news feed.
Then they'll be repeating it like parrots and people will never forget it until the next news story shows up.
@@hlmoore8042 True
This is a perfect example of how humanity is destroying itself through hypocrisy.
Greed is.
Cobalt is difficult to fix. Diamonds are not. A higher priority should be doing away with the silly societal norms that we do like paying a wildly falsely inflated price for a mineral that is not rare to show our significant other how much we love them by supporting an industry like we're seeing in this video. We should start there first. Not with cobalt because if we can't even shame our friends for buying a potential "blood diamond" then why tf would you think cobalt, a necessity, is going to change. It's not.
@@getstuk87 I didn’t mean to laugh at this comment but the absurdity you highlighted was too great. Well said and very true indeed. I use to work for a jeweler at my local mall. The customers that would come in to our store were the most pretentious and petty self indulgent people I have ever known. I left after a few months and glad I did. Knowing how and where these diamonds come from made me question my morals. It’s like Las Vegas. It’s all a facade. A veneer of spectacle to draw people in only to find out the dark truth beneath the surface. The problem is no one ever looks.
@@getstuk87 how is Cobalt a necessity?
@Basado Americano the Dems and their cobalt mining slaves ✊🏿
Great job Joe, I've been telling people this for years. People claim to not believe it, but its becoming more and more apparent that they just don't care.
Of course not, makes it a lot harder to be smug about driving your electric car.
Some people are really dead asleep.
It’s on phones laptops gaming consoles
Ya think they'd care by how anti big corporation they are?
We are going to pay some day for not caring about this suffering.
This guy is genuinely a good human being. We need more investigative journalism like this.
Don't focus on the person, focus on the facts. Even if he provides us with valuable facts, he still used marxist key vocabulary like "agitation" so always beware of worshipping people. There's no need for it. Could be that he used those words innocently, could be that he has marxism in his background or planned future activities.
@@pistonburner6448 a little paranoid maybe?
UK has a huge child abuse problem. They threw me in prison for nosing around it.
@@pistonburner6448 is nobody else allowed to use that word? Weirdo.
There's plenty of them... The problem is, as soon as they publish a story that sheds light on corporate or government crimes, the MSM labels them conspirationists and people swallow that shit whole... Just think how The Grey Zone got cancelled for insisting that the Hunter laptop wasn't a conspiracy.
I am a Congolese living in Seattle and I appreciate the effort that joe put in place to shade light on this tragic reality that is happening in my country. It’s very sad that people are enjoying the fruit of child labor who are not even suppose to be working and the world is not doing anything
Why can't the Congolese set better conditions for their people?
And all while acting morally superior for "doing their part" by driving a 100,000 dollar tesla...
Part of the problem is this: Big American companies, e.g. Apple, go to Chinese manufacturers and lay out rules for production, e.g. "no artisanal miners". Those Chinese manufacturers then go and do whatever they want, ignoring all the rules to save a buck. When Apple finds out, they say, "Hey, we said no artisanal miners!"
Those managers of these Chinese manufacturing firms say, "What? You were SERIOUS about that??"
At this point, even if Apple immediately starts changing plans to avoid using these corrupt manufacturers, it still takes them three years to change course, finding new manufacturers, due to being such a huge organization.
Youre probably also using a smartphone tho
@@simeondunev4890 whats your point...you can't blame the consumer when the product has become a necessity in life
I am reading Kara‘s book, Cobalt Red, right now! It’s incredibly well written, very informative, disturbing, and hard to put down. Everyone needs to read it!
Agree, read Cobalt Red and its the most disturbing book I've ever read. Especially the last chapter they talk about tunnel collapes where 30 to 60 children die every time.
Agree I read Cobalt Red and especially the chapter on the tunnel collapses was troubling and sickening. EVS should be banned.
Siddharth is a brave man for making it in to the lives, writing a book and publicly taking about this. Well done for exposing this.
He’s probably gonna commit suicide if he Doesnt shut up
As an African, I appreciate your effort & commitment to the truth Sir. Siddaharth Kara
Where do you live in Africa?
I see Indians building rain catchments in their thousands to bring green back to the soil. Get these same men and do the same thing. Its amazing what can be achieved without machinery. In the west we have no jobs, the machines have taken over. The West is nothing but corporate slavery and it still covertly controls Africa through the ownership of Corporations and control of puppet leaders.
Babylon is nearing its death throws, thank heavens..
@@joshuagibson2520 Im originally from Nigeria living in New Zealand for the past 10 years. I try to keep myself updated with the continent that I call him as much as possible till I get a chance to go back.
Hearing what Siddaharth reveals about the Congo cobalt situation breaks my Heart because I now know that due to my "Tech Consumerism", I am adding to the problem my Congolese brothers and sisters in the mines are going through right now.
I need to make some ....CORRECTION- I MUST MAKE SOME LIFESTYLE CHANGES!
@@RealTalkWithRoadMan I feel ya brother. We're all complicit in one way or another and we need to make some changes.
Greetings from your hillbilly friend in Tennessee, USA.
Yeah they keep messing with Africa
People freaked out about straws but still will have a blind eye to this reality.
People are selfish, self-centered, and unconcerned about anything beyond personal status and the stuff they use to escape being alone with themselves. People could be so much better, but they are mostly ignorant, stressed sheep driven by fear and insecurity.
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@@diracsea i think it's called people not being altruistic as soon as it's an inconvenience to them
There's also a narrative involved. Big tech leans to one political direction. This is their lifeblood.
china owns 80% of the mines in the congo. crazy why would you sell a valuable resource to make yourself rich but not your country
Huge thank you to Joe for bringing Siddharth Kara on the show to expose this deeply depressing important yet shunned issue. I ordered the book immediately after watching this clip and just finished it. Truly horrifying stuff.
Typed from your iPhone lol.
I'm a house painter and i remember a few years ago it was mandatory for the paint industry to replace the cobalt in paint for another product. We were told it was a health issue... Now years later i know better than that!
This brought tears to my eyes, this man’s passion for humans who deserve more.
What's really insane is these resources are exactly what's responsible for bringing you this information
Because truth can't hide it self and a lie is always naked, they never thought the same device that they use for mind control will start to expose them.
You...are so right. But let us use this "power" to make greater changes in our world.
@@AnusheelSharma there is no they
Where is BLM when these poor black folk need them most?!
I don't think that's the insane part, what's insane is that nothing will change. This video will age, along with the generations that now rely on cobolt fueled technology.
I’m from the Eastern Congo and nobody could expose this misery better. Thank You Joe for exposing this!
It’s crazy how people just lie in TH-cam comments like it’s nothing
@@danceyrselfkleen elaborate....
I’m from eastern Congo too and I concur ….oh no wait I’m in eastern Canada. Never mind.
You belong in a mine you dirty savage
@@danceyrselfkleen Well as a Congolese this is common knowledge to us and we have try but our government is corrupt to the core we can’t do shit. Add that with the current war going on with M23
His book Cobalt Red is very important and illuminating. It was also very disturbing and traumatizing when he described what the miners in Congo go through.
Thank You Joe for letting the world know about this issue. I had no idea about this my goodness, this is truly heartbreaking 💔
Well said and done Sir. Thank you for shedding more light on this sorely underreported, massive human rights and environmental horrors.
Then stop pushing green cars and energy. Here’s the short story it’s not green at all
This is caused by ignorant sheeple, corrupt government and coprporations and planned obsolescence.
@@blank1778 Not obly that but there is no signs they are going to recycle these minerals at all. Tesla claims it will but once you dig deeper the batteries arent even designed to be recycled easily, it uses alot of glues, it can be only done by producing toxic waste either by dipping in the axid or burning it all off. Now imagine when millions of these massi e batteries start coming back for recycling because Tesla guaranteed they will pick them up, they didnt say they will actaully recycle them. Just think of hoq much toxic waste is goibg to be produced and dumped where?
In other words, thanks but I dont care. Wheres my phone charger?
Nobody’s going to do anything about anything. There’s a new chicken sandwich coming out……
We need more people like this guy on da show. Very impactful
@@sentolt7460 He won't, he's still busy learning how the word 'the' is spelt..
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@@sentolt7460 not to mention any work we did to change the landscape would be totally undone by China in a second. Also if it's not cobalt with Africa it's just going to be something else... It's almost like until Africans decide to grow up and take responsibility for their crappy decisions they're bound to repeat
It’s informative to say the least
Love it!
We wouldn’t need so much of it if they didn’t drop a new iPhone every year and started messing with the ones we already own to drive us out to get the new one
Exactly
What a wonderful journalist putting his energy into such a good cause and so visually passionate to help people.
I'm from Congo. It's amazing how this is unknown to many Americans or the rest of the world for the most part. I've spoken on these issues 15 years ago, back in my college days. But as they say, when money talks, truth is silenced.
Not to mention the people responsible for this put up smoke and mirror screens in other countries, like all that woke stuff and BLM.
They pretend to care, yet do this.
@@neovenom7187 The hypocrisy is strong with those people.
it was worse 120 years ago
@@Anonymous-xq5cs and your point is?
americans dont even know where the congo is
This guy looks like a fusion of Obama and Tuco Salamanca
Lmfao!!
Lol the accuracy
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Poor guy
Great video! Keep spreading information on these horrible conditions.
JR needs to have more good people like this on his show.
Best examples of what JRE can do to bring awareness to issues that are purposefully swept under the rug.
Under the rug by dems
ur comment was right above the original comment that said the exact same thing. lol
@@tonyd8454 republicans are just as bad. Don't be biased. Centrism is the only way to go.
@@Crussman499 The center between these 2 extremes is the most evil. Anti-phase polar modulation is the only way !
abc did a story about this 10 months ago you just ignore what you call fake news
This man is a true journalist. Sad, gone are the days when they would travel to to the problem. Today, people and major news stations are buying stories.
I think a true journalist would tell you that Cobalt is also necessary for the production of gasoline. It is necessary to refine the crude oil.
What? Some of the biggest news you see come from freelance. Nothing wrong with that. Good journalists can get 150-300k $ for a good story. Atleast.
Sidartha is a well paid journalist, in advance. He makes good shit gets good pay and opportunities.
@@karlhering1298 I think he already touched the point where cobalt is vital to our society today.
Yeah true journalism didn't do a thing but wrote a booka nd made some money though.
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And you ate it up hook line and sinker bet you already have the book in your Amazon cart.
Remember when Joe saw a boxing match and thought it was a dad beating up his son and talking about how messed up it was? Well turns out he got that completely wrong and it was instead a match at creator clash. True journalism
joe. just want to say your doing a great job .i thank you sir. keep up the good work
My respects sir if most ppl picked a something like this or even something less severe but if everyone was to make a effort to bring attention to one thing we can help to fix alot of issues would get more ppl working to fix them at least ease the suffering of those families good work you dedicated yourself to a good cause even if one family gets a better life cuz of this i would feel justified in all the work and chances are you have already helped many families
I went from this to the whole interview on Spotify. Incredible. I'm stunned by the work Kare has done. Rogan takes a lot of heat but I haven't seen anyone else giving this air time. Much appreciated. Siddharth Kara is a really brave man. This man's voice needs to be heard.
Same and well said 👏
Definitely going to listen to more of this guy before the big tech companies inevitably try and silence him
He takes alot of heat for a reason. People dont want the truth being told. His guests come from all walks so there is no reason for him to receive the hate he does
plus he is pretty open minded
Just finished Cobalt Red book. This is the most heart wrenching thing I've ever heard. And I've read about ship breaking, modern slavery, etc.
@@rebuttalc2075joe rogan has a lot of bad sides, they are well known, like when he’s cornered, he weasel his way out. But for sure sometimes he invites good people
Didn’t even realize I was watching this on a cobalt device. Glad to see this information available more broadly
J Peterson kissing the Orbanus hard for 50 million HUF:
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Do not rebel against your dictator! What your prime minister is trying to do is to restore the metaphysical foundation of the dirty-white Hungarian culture and race"
This is why news particularily in America is so fucked because it is just politics on the left or right. You don’t get good sources on what actually goes on in the world.
I'm just now learning what cobalt.
Changes my fear of battery fires.
ALSO CALLED SLAVE COBALT DEVICE , THINK ABOUT IT ! AMERICANS OR WHO EVER WHO ARE, THINK ABOUT WHERE THINGS COME FROM, SO FEELING ANY SHAME YET???
I haven't seen this man on any legacy media and he deserves a lot more attention
Joe, keep up this awesome work and digging into critical topics.
I work in a nickel and cobalt site in Australia and we have standards I couldn't imagine working like that, that's just shocking.
If deez ppl was white I promise you this would be shut down the next day
I'm so glad Australia actually has decent labour standards. Still hard work though.
youd also be going home with thousands of dollars every week
Cheeseburger with no cheese is a hamburger
@@Howtododrugs. Amen Bruuther
Truly a brave and impressive gentleman speaking for those without voices. I hope this gets more attention
Buy his book. Monies will help him continue on his part. Maybe he can sell his story to a big movie motel like Blood Diamonds.
He is lying. Look at the video he showed. That mine definitely used industrial machinery. That was a video of "bring your kid to work day".
@@RealKlausSchwab Good one, Klaus. Okay, gotta get back to eating ze crickets. 👋🏻
@@RealKlausSchwab That is pretty funny. Good one.
@@susanvandeneng5231 and do what? Your veterans have been telling everyone about this for two decades. If anyone is listening, no one is doing anything. You want to do something with money? Don't spend it on these companies. Cut your dependence on the products.
Been reading the book and appalled by the fiasco. Glad to see Siddartha on JRE spreading awareness.
I truly hope new battery technology will make cobalt irrelevant like synthetic rubber replaced natural rubber’s market demand. The scale of this problem is so enormous and challenging to solve.
Before cobalt was nicad after cobalt just another thing that needs mined. That's how it works.
Nobody can understand how important it was for this man to divulge this story on this particular podcast. This is the catalyst that was needed for visibility.
Have you seen
"Joe Rogan asks Elon Musk HARD Questions About Cobalt Mining For TESLA Batteries" 🔥 🏎
@@sandylynn7343 Have you seen the part where he says Apple is the biggest offender, Tesla has actually transitioned half its new cars off cobalt batteries and all major electronics like smart phones use cobalt? Sandy sandy sandy...
Why do we care? If any of you are shocked then I am sorry, you are either dumb or naive. We live in a world of limited resources and first world countries use either military or economic incentives in order to get the resources that it needs from whatever part of the world. In this case it's pure capitalism. If those people working that mine had any other better option for making money than they would do it but they see value in being hired for a dollar a day and what is wrong with that? These people don't live the same as you and I in the west. For some strange reason, y'all think that the entire world lives like we live. No billions of people in this world. Wake up every morning to do exactly what you saw in that video.
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We'll all click the next video and forget about it within a couple days for the most part, except occasionally to bring it up in conversation to virtue signal our awareness and "compassion". How many of us will stop using cell phones, tablets, electric cars, etc.? That's really the only thing that will change what's going on, because it's all about greed.
I've known about this for 5 years. A client asked me to research the three main metals that comprise these batteries, cobalt, copper and lithium. I was shocked to learn of cobalt's toxicity and the child labor used to extract it.
you didnt care to research for your client how small children, in the rain, with bare hands, dig 9999999 tonns of cobolt every day? didn't ring a bell?
let me guess: "african 6 year old children dig 99999999999 tonns of cobalt ore every day, in the rain, with nothing but bare hands, while a mean man shouts at them." somehow, it makes sense to dig with small children bare hands in the rain, than with massive modern mining equipment? kekw, sure.. and nobody thinks its a set-up pictures and articles. nobody checks sources. only American oil can save us, not those 6 year old cobalt ore diggers.
this "critical" audience doesn't even think one second, that it just might be falsified sources, with dudes just paid for photoshoots and videos. this "academic researcher" doesn't once ask, is it any point to try to dig with small children with bare hands, when you need 9999999tons per day. obviously they cant dig anything. obviously its bogus. even congolese warlords/chinese warlords would need serious mining equipment, obviously, not kids or adults being useless.
6:10 "this mine shibara.. they're not supposed to be here.. lo and behold I walk into this place and this is what I see.." sure you didn't pay those movie extras to be there? give me a break. if you would dig by hand in 21st century there would be nothing done.
8:21 are there industrialized cobalt mines that use machinery?
- ive never seen one.
now you know he is just full of bs.
10:02 "hundreds of thousands of people digging" this dude is a riot. nobody would know hundreds of thousands of people would be
slaves? united nations? even united nations is in the pocked of "big electric"? give me a breaaaaaaaak.
10:45 "this is a made up video!" curious how he was pre-emptively defensive that his short videos are fake, just hired movie extras.
Did you say anything about it?
@@gozieboy3899 No. I didn't have a clue what to do about it. Wish I did.
Point is there is no necessity to use child labour for mining these metals this issue and the toxicity are both issues that could easily be dealt with. People are just excited to have a reason to not use battery power.
they could use machines but rather pay a dollar a day or they say. im sure most of them are forced
A practical thing that can be made is raise donations for safety equipment for the people that dig in the cobalt mines and then we need to send a delegation that make sure the equipment is actually get to them safe and they wears it
Thanks a lot Siddhartha Kara and Joe for addressing this issue.
Here is the sad part of this whole situation. There is a huge vein of Cobalt where I grew up in NW Ontario ( Google - Werner Lake Cobalt) that was mined in small quantities during the 2nd world war. A BC company has acquired the mineral rights for this cobalt years ago, but they still haven't mined it. I'm thinking that they can't compete against the child, slave labour in Africa.
It’s either pay one person $25+/hr (idk what miners make) or 25 people each $1 a day. Sounds really shitty, but it’s all about max profit with minimum investment
But the mine that outputs more in a shorter amount of time should win.
@@aa2339 That's not true. If you can mine 100x faster but at 100x the cost, its a net neutral, or so it seems. But if you dig deeper it isn't neutral, because you're using up more minerals for the same amount of profit. So your mine is going to run out of minerals and the slower, cheaper mine is going to win in the end.
Have you seen the video
“Elon Musk meets Post Malone”
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The problem is we have Trudeau in power who loves to virtue signal but would never put forth the necessary policies to get it out of the ground
this is real journalism
And the left in their zeal to get people to convert to battery powered cars WILL NOT talk about the slave labor issue to mine the cobalt that you make batteries with because it doesn't fit their narrative !! 😡
That's Elon musk for all u EV 🤡🤡🤡
Its just to increase the prices ....old tactics
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Which is why it gets largely ignored.
Hi Joe👋 love your channel, big fan👍 This video just pop-up to me😊... Congrats on revealing what really going on in Africa,sad sad situation, people don't know, or don't want to know as longest they have their "comfortable life secured".... Just wanted to tell you to look on to COLTAN MINING, also in Congo, if you could, I think it's interesting too...
Have great day you and your team👍
I got Siddharth's book on audio, and it's very important and disturbing. But I also listened to this entire interview because it felt like I had questions and comments I wanted to ask the book itself. And with this, it's like Joe was my proxy and Siddharth was the book.
You could hear his pain throughout the whole podcast, even had me emotional at time, problem is nothing will changed because if is not in front of you all the time we quickly forget and move on.
Joe sounds pretty serious too. You know he hates to hear this knowing most of his fan base are on phones
The problem is in front of us everyday if the cobalt being mined is powering this iPhone.
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Either way big companies will blame you for your decisions
The problem is also that we pay attention to him and what he felt. And we don't try to look/feel what the people go through. I hope I conveyed what I meant. Summary: The observer is the observed. No division is needed.
Omg that's shocking
This needs to gain massive awareness
I think a lot of people know, look at Nike everyone knows about Nike
Most people nowadays are too evil, greedy, and selfish to even bother to care about anyone but themselves. Thanks to brainwashing from FAKE NEWS.
The problem is, if these mines are automated then it will cause two things to happen: electronics will be more expensive and these people mining will be unemployed. It's not an easy problem to solve.
Exactly! And there's so much advertising money being spent towards putting our awareness on buying the next, new, smartphone/electrical vehicle (from drones, "skateboards", scooters, bicycles, motorcycles, and cars, up to buses and even larger more industrial vehicles and machines that rely on Rechargeable Lithium batteries, and as a result, Cobalt itself).
I'd love to see the documentary this great journalist put together with the footage shown here..?!
And share that to others, just like this JRE clip!👍💯
@@smikethehandicappedfriend Given the way you type, I doubt you even own a house. Don't shit talk me son, I'd put you to shame.
Thank you TH-cam for making sure I saw this lol it kept popping up on my feed but I kept avoiding it very informative thank you for this Joe and thank you TH-cam
Glad more light is being shed on this issue.
I have been trying to talk about this for years. Since the first leaks 5/6 years ago. I can't tell you how many regular people literally want to fight me for pointing this out.
Okay? And? What are you going to do about it? Nothing! You only care in comment section. You don't care just like the rest of us lmao. Liar
@Drone Studios ok, what is your game plan, bud? Buy the tickets to the DRC. I'll come with you
You can't tell us because nobody wants to physically attack you over this lol
@RA. STAR go and start talking about the dark side of ev's and renewables to someone on the street. I guarantee you will find someone delusional enough to want to physically fight you over it. That was my point. Most of the time, you get apathy. And they just don't give a shit that there is a 6 year old in a toxic pit somewhere. As long as they get the newest thing, they don't give a shit. I'm all for renewable energy, but the way it's being pushed is dirty. The stupid batteries are not economical to recycle, what's going to happen in 8-10 years? Same thing that's been happening for the last 50, it gets shipped to the 3rd world and burned in open pits to extract minute amounts of copper or whatever. Look up how e-waste is disposed of. Most of it ends up in places where it poisons the surrounding land and communities.
@@Bga1412 I'm not saying people wouldn't get mad or heated. No one is throwing punches over this tho.
I’m a Congolese living in Congo and I wanna Thank you so much for bringing awareness to this. Our country is beautiful but unfortunately too many people wants to benefit from our resources free of charge 🇨🇩💔
it really is sad that your government is being exploited instead of your country selling cobalt to the world for high prices since they need your resource for their electric vehicles
@Baljdeep Invajuna lol
@@baljdeepinvajuna1363 the sun will burn a hole thru you soon enough. You're not natural here..How can something that benefits the earth, hurt you? Sounds like your creator doesn't love you. Your time is up💚
@Baljdeep Invajuna what why? lol
So please enlighten us, what other job opportunities do these people have? Are they missing out on better options or would they starve without this work? I'm curious your from there you can tell us
My great grandfather used to work in a cobalt mine in Leadville Colorado
Joe should talk about the potential dangers of tattoos aswel! Inks aren’t even regulated by the FDA. Some of the ink used in the industry contains heavy metals such as cobalt, titaniumdioxide, murcury, etc. And many more… Some researchers found inks they used for printers or even
For car painting… some contains formaldehyde or arsenicum… people really, look this stuff up and don’t get tattoo’s!
Reading this whilst I’m covered in tattoos 😅
100% REAL JOURNALISM!!! EXCELLENT WORK.
Absolutely not. It is mostly BS full of half truths and misframming
Yeah but this people don't live a long life that's sad
Really? He said there were American companies there. Imagine, if Americans treated the workers so well, paid them so well, why would anyone want to work for Chinese companies? How could Chinese companies find any workers in the area? If a Chinese company comes to your town open the same business, would quit your job, and to work for the Chinese company with less pay.
Remember, American Companies were there before Chinese Companies moved in.
Think about it. What he said does not make any fking sense. He can fool you easily, all he has to do is connect it to China. He knows the collective mood of Americans. Hating China is in high demand.
@@XXX_JiaYangGuiZi thank for writing ccp bot and your comment just proves that man in the video is saying true
@@XXX_JiaYangGuiZi No, they weren't. I've worked in several African countries - American presence there is laughable compared to Chinese, who have a foothold in everything from mining to construction to timber and so on and so forth. You are talking out of your behind. And I'm Russian, so I have no emotional stake in making the U.S. look good. Just saying it like it is.
This guy wouldn't get a second of time on mainstream media because they are all in the same matrix together, so thanks Joe for continuing to provide people like him a platform!
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i’m not saying that i agree with you but then again I’m not always correct either I remember a time back in the 80s when I was growing up things were different back then these youngsters today what makes you think that? It’s all right to disagree with people I remember when I was a young man growing up in the 80s in America it was a different time then back then we used to call each other this is the best I’ve seen from you guys in a while
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This A Hole has No Solution! He’s making profit on bellyaching about a problem that he has no solution
I’m agitated about you A Hole
It has been reported for years in mainstream media , it’s just that , for example , in the US , no one cares.
Rogan IS mainstream media at this point. He gets WAY more views than any of the MSM "matrix" people you speak of.
People are NOT aware of this. I just learned about it today. Thank you for this interview.
So glad things like this are being brought to the light. Wow. The sad thing is, is that nothing will be done, and these ppl actually need the money to feed themselves -_- where else can they get the money from? I hope something is fixed here and at least maybe they can get some safety equipment, but I don't see that happening either, as it's all about money to these greedy corps
It should be in written contract they get paid as much as any American would.
I thought my problems were actual problems until I saw this. Heart breaking.
@@leeman23664 give up
First world privilege
You must be a pamper priss. Never done manual labor???
People need to stop buying the new phones as soon as they come out
Make your phones last 5-10 years if you can
@@leeman23664 that shit is wack man. Practice for like 5 more years.
Sound like the first song you've ever written
As a Congolese, thank you for covering this Joe 😢 . Avoir un Corrupted gouvernement that doesn’t give a flip about son peuple c juste un high level of slavery.
My school in Russia is named after Patrice Lumumba. We remember him. US KILLED HIM.
STOP LOOKING UP. AFRICA SHOULD LOOK WITHIN. Please lead the way. We need to look UP to Africa, you are the soul of the world in the future. Order in the world now is a BS. USA won't solve shit. The last 100 years are proof in the pudding. JRE is the past, not the future. Last white man standing.
As a a woman of color this has broke me down drastically…wow..being what they call us here African American and knowing our ancestry roots are over there makes me sick to my stomach-I literally prance around with my shiny diamonds 💎 and high tech phones & tablets…I never knew of this, and I’m ashamed of myself 😢the oppression and brainwashing is real
This should have "broke you down drastically" no matter what color your skin is. Just an idi0tc statement.
Don’t be. Nothing you can do about it anyway.
WOW! Thanks for informing us of this.
Fascinating and depressing issue. The pervasive use of cobalt in every facet to today's life should make this a huge story. Thanks Joe and Siddharth for bringing this to light.
I agree. I love the "let's get down to it" approach. But the stark reality is very unnerving. That's globalism in a nutshell..
What can we do as cosseted Americans to stop this terrible crime?
@@robertfish4052 not globalism. it's called capitalism. the rich would rather destroy lives and destroy the planet than lose profits.
It’s just the way the world works. Things will improve but not because of news stories covering the issue.
@@ezbayt8723 WTF U SOUND SILLY
I feel like this was one of the best Rogan podcasts ever. Really opened my eyes about the horrors of this world
There is sketchy stuff happening in every country on every continent.
Good morning...
Purple speckled apple. wow so profound. why even make the comment? people breathe in every continent. look at me I said something.
You're just know learning the world is jacked up? Check your privilege
@@TJ45223 stfu Kyle you dork , this real news often doesn't reach the mainstream
Thank you for dropping the knowledge. Its extremely important people know whats really going on.
The upside down part of this is that if the world industrializes this those people will be left out and have even less money. How do we fix this and not leave them out?
Please remember that the minerals in this story are not the problem. The problem is our lack of transparency regarding supply chains. We must hold people accountable for where material comes from.
yes,the dependence on shitty,unnecessary tech and peoples idiotic reliance on it (cell phones,im talking to you)is the core of the problem.........you really think a car needs 15 body modules,6 cameras, 4 ecms ,a tablet and 800 feet of wire? ANY SUCCESSFUL business will always be done to meet the highest profit margin with the lowest bottom line,full stop
They'll pass off the cost of anything down to the consumer and do nothing about these working conditions
But coal and nuckkklear are bad so we need to mine cobalt which is used in these batteries.. so it’s a good trade off. And the politicians that are promoting this are saving humanity, because if we stay on this track, the world will be destroyed in 4 years.. that’s how much time we have left.. 4 years omg! These politicians deserve immense amounts of credit because they are doing this out of the kindness of their hearts. They love people, they love humanity, that’s why this is a great thing. Even my college professor says this is good. And also if you check fact-check there is no signs of slavery. We must put more trust into these corporations, and a lot of them are owned by great people who donate so much into helping humanity..
Do you see the video? Thats transparency. Do you think the corporations don't know? Do you really think that anyone will sacrifice social media to stop this? People couldn't care less.
There is no such thing as ethical mining. All miners are treated horribly over exploited and underpaid
My university specialised in teaching the idea of ESG/SRI investing in finance.
I remember spending my entire time there arguing with the lecturers about these sustainability and ethics claims.
What it really boiled down to, was aesthetics and perception. Westerners like the luxury of “buying ethically” (if we have money)
It makes us feel good. It’s a status symbol too.
But we don’t really want to know the truth. We don’t really want to give up something just because it’s mined or harvested terribly.
The companies know this. The purpose of those ESG reports and others is marketing.
They say that ESG companies produce slightly higher returns on investments in our current market.
But that’s just because they have used faux morality to tap into the western consumer.
It’s not because their practices are better. It’s because their perceived/advertised “practises” penetrate the market better.
It’s all a scam. If you actually wanted to buy ethically you’d have to pay quite a bit more. Because the company wants its pound of flesh. They won’t sacrifice profits to be ethical. So either you the consumer pay quite a bit more, or you buy the companies lies.
That’s the nature of almost all ethical companies.
The truly ethical ones usually go bust, they just cannot compete.
You’ll get genuine people who want to make an ethical company. It rarely works. Because their place in the market is drowned out by other companies advertising they do the same ethical practices but offer cheaper products.
First useful, real comment so far.
Absolutely true. ESG is a tool used to control the politics of corporations.
Well said! Were you able to convince anyone in your college class?
Haha you're absolutely right, sad as it is
I work at an indonesian company. We just onboarded a team of environmental and social impact team as a perma hire, whose sole job is to package the company in a way that makes us look good in the eyes of investors.
It's all bullshit as nothing operationally changes, the team just look at any angles that can make em appear as having a good impact (e.g. look how our users from x industry are 73% women! we are having a tremendous impact compared to blah2)
We still offer predatory products like BNPL, no one cares.
When I first heard about this team i thought it was such a gimmick, but apparently it works as suddenly some western investors appear out the wazzoo offering us great deals, as it seems we fit into their esg policy or something
It's all trolls trolling trolls
@@geralsetya4097 I'm glad to hear about these real-world examples of hypocrisy in action. It makes me hopeful that the charade will someday be exposed to everyone.
A recent study estimated that 3T miners earn around USD 2.7 and USD 3.3 per day in eastern DRC whereas 76% of the population lived with less than USD 1.9 a day in 2012 (de Brier et al. 2020, 9). Copper and cobalt miners have an average daily income of USD 7.65.
Thank you so much for this video Joe Rogan, very informational. Cole and I appreciated it for our project.
I am a Congolese , and i am working in a cobalt mine, i want you to know that everything exposed in this podcast is real.
You cannot imagine how hard it is, we are not living anymore, we are now surviving.
I think, when next generations will study this era , they will wonder how could such things was going on.
Many will think that it's just a story, but it's our daily life
Bro, why not use your TH-cam channel as a tool to help expose these horrific circumstances? Perfect opportunity
@@WeAgreeToDisagree1 probably many reasons
Too dangerous to film without being caught
Spotty internet connection, not enough time to upload, or hardly any access to the internet at all
I'm sure the people that control the mines also control all communications coming out of the mine.
They don't want to risk their lives or their families trying to expose the truth
What do you think are the solutions? Do these big tech companies take over the mines, or is the land already controlled by someone else? I wonder what we can actually do
@@WeAgreeToDisagree1 i am a human right activist, i have already try rising awareness trough social about certain things , but you don't know how deep these logistics and supply chain are organized, they got people everywhere, in the gouvernement, in institution, so no matter where you go you will fall on one of them.
But we don't stop trying to do whatever we can to push things
@@gigahertz_1911 you said it.
Many people , authorities and activist felt on this journey, and corruption is deep.
With wisdom , i a m sure that , one day we will found a way
There is a time for everything under the sun
For future, this guy didn't commit suicide.
Gotta get it out there before he’s offed by our evil Govt
More like the republic of Congo offed him. One of the most dangerous places and most corrupt governments on the planet.
he would if he cared about child slaves
This information has already been out there for years. You just late
Hands tied behind his back, hanging from a rope tied around his neck. Shot in the back of the head and the media will say it's suicide. 60% of ya'll will believe it cause the so called news told you too.
Thankyou Joe for telling us the truth.
So disturbing and beyond unimaginable 😢. I cannot put this into words honestly.
Government only care about money.
We also need our kids to see where there phones laptops etc are coming from and maybe they will think how bloody lucky they are.
Thank you so much for this information sir
This is the dark side of the green industry. Thank you for bringing awareness to this atrocity.
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Green industry? Apple is not a green industry. Tech companies are not green industries. If you're refering the electric cars, the miners were not enslaved by environmentalism. Even without EVs this has been a problem for over a decade.
Electric vehicles are only getting better, there are already rechargeable lithium batteries that have no Cobalt in them.
@@onesolopolo4194 you should learn about how lithium is mined by slave labor in China
You should look up the fact that cobalt is used to make gasoline
This isn’t about “green industry” cobalt is also used for gasoline… batteries and phones are not apart of the “green industry”
Did you even watch the video?
“Artisanal” has such a positive connotation that I don’t believe it should be used to convey the idea of poverty stricken, slavery, unsafe manual mining.
Fits into the whole marketing scheme
Not so positive any more.
It is because 'artisanal' translates to something closer to 'homemade' 'self made' or 'independent' in french, and they speak French in the congo.
Why does 'artisanal' have to have a positive connotation to it when that has absolutely nothing to do with the meaning of the word? Something good, something bad... I have been to plenty of shit coffee shops that are self proclaimed 'coffee artisans' - doesn't mean it's good coffee. All artisanal means it's produced traditionally or in a non-mechanized way.
You might wanna look up what artisanal means. Spoiler alerts, it has nothing to do with art
Excellent as always...
When I was in my 20s I broke rocks all day long with a double jack(sledge hammer). I turned rocks the size of refrigerators into rocks the size of bowling balls, decorative "torazo". Sometimes I got tired and couldn't hit the rocks hard enough to break them and I stacked bags of crushed rock onto pallets while i "rested up". There were only a few dozen of us in the quarry, but there would have been 15,000 working there if there had been enough demand. This wasn't in the Congo, it was in California. BTW, there was no international out cry over our job conditions.
Well that’s the thing, doesn’t make sense to have 15,000 shoulder to shoulder busting rocks. Get in each others way, can move production etc. Even $1 a day 15,000 people it’s cheaper to put in a few people w excavators and jack hammers. So what’s going on?
you were earning significantly more than $1 a day, and you were working with strong healthy adults, not 5 year old childern and elderly at knife or gunpoint.
so no, don't put yourself in the same position as these slaves.
@@asmosisyup2557 The weather's great ,they sleep on the ground, all they eat is rice any way , a dollar a day is good money and that's exactly why they're working there. I don't see in guns in the video I think it's the best job in town or they wouldn't be there.
You had a choice.
@@asmosisyup2557 so he was a better paid slave then? Open your eyes scooter
Joe thank you for being an outlet for authentic international news. Our media has failed us for decades.
Mainstream media is owned by corporations which obviously favor themselves. Fox "News" would never publish anything that makes their backers look bad. They highlight and promote companies which feed them money. Simple as that. If you pay a news media corporation enough money, they'll say whatever the bloody hell ya want. This isn't a refutable point, either; it's been demonstrated in thousands of instances.
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New York Times has written thoroughly about this.
Please don't tell me you only get your news from Joe Rogan. 🙁
@@nwwfmaniac529 … and getting it wrong.
What’s so crazy to me is that this is the same podcast that Elon Musk went on. JRE is a crazy platform that brings up pretty though topics besides controversial guests, comedy and mma at the same time. It’s so amazing! Thanks a lot for this episode, it is really important to show people the fucked up sides of the world we live in
Holcomb energy systems would eliminate
batteries period like in electric cars
Ya because Elon is in charge of mining Cobalt.
The Chinese run this mine because the Biden’s got em a deal on it
What is crazy about that? LFP model 3, zero cobalt, all new cars will go to 4680 which is Zero cobalt. Cobalt is used to make every drop of oil on earth, yet there are plenty of cobalt free EV's on the road today.
Look up
“Joe Rogan asks Elon Musk HARD Questions about Cobalt Mining for TESLA Batteries!”
thank me later 🙏
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Which models?
Just asking.
We're all in the same game
just different levels
dealing with the same hell
just different devils
WOW. This needs to change. I feel so heartbroken
Cobalt actually started much earlier, I remember me and my father running armed security for the cobalt freight trucks. We would meet them at the Botswana border and escort them to a main hub in Johannesburg, these trucks would often get highjacked on route, once criminal organizations figured out the value of them.
When an American hears that some aspect of their lifestyle is created by slave or child labor we are programmed to semi acknowledge the atrocity verbally but we never take the time to Google the details and learn the extent of the suffering.
We don't know how bad it is because we don't want to know.
It’s why Angelina Jolie’s movie about the mines was ignored by Hollywood, critics and the public. People only want to live in their bubble of bliss.
Pretty sure the whole world is using these devices not just America
True.
Hey bro you can buy his book on kindle for only $20 where he profits of the suffering and dedicates 0 of the funds to solve it himself.
@@drshrimppuertorico3540 the whole world except the people in such extreme poverty
I think this is a really interesting topic, and a very difficult situation that the world is in. How do you all think we should respond as a global community to this issue? Do you think there is anyway we can encourage an independent nation (the Congo) to be more aware and proactive of social welfare issues? Or do you feel as though we should look into alternative sources for our Cobalt consumption, recently Norway have found a very large deposit of Cobalt and other minerals in one of their bays (approx. 3.1 million tons) should we move our consumption away and focus on building mining infrastructure to support our supply demands from here? I would love to get your thoughts on the matter.
Now Joe should ask Elon about where he gets his resources from.
Teslas don’t use cobalt in their batteries.
Joe Rogan bringing shit to the table that everybody else sweeps under the rug! Keep it coming Joe!
Are you an alien lady?
@Trollex Trollex yes, do you want to be probed?
What about Kuniko? Check their site out
Seriously what other mainstream media platform is giving this man a voice. Well done Joe.
@@imahumdinger77 i will show you the meaning of click bait
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there is a Legendary story to tell it is a story about bravery and fearlessness
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what do you mean. what would make you think that there is something wrong with what i said did you see kit fisto spelling off a mentor who was like a brother to me once told me “if we don’t stop barack scumbama now he could become a threat later”
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i’m not saying that i agree with you but then again I’m not always correct either I remember a time back in the 80s when I was growing up things were different back then these youngsters today what makes you think that? It’s all right to disagree with people I remember when I was a young man growing up in the 80s in America it was a different time then back then we used to call each other this is the best I’ve seen from you guys in a while
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As he is talking, I realized everyone is watching this on their phones, laptops and they are sitting in a room full of the stuff. It is a sad reality of our modern world. It almost can't be helped.
Gah dam your so right thank you I realized it when i read your comment. We dont need any of these things to live we need food shelter and water not a dam luxury vehicle
the life we live here was built off exporting misery overseas so we can live comfortably
nah Im on desktop but still, we all suck
It can be helped
I'm watching it on a PC, no rechargeable batteries here. You presuming C-word.
I am very happy to see this stuff on TH-cam so that the rest of the world can see what is happening in Congo 🇨🇩 , this is my hometown, the Chinese and our leaders had to displace us to different areas in the forest and build the smaller houses so that they can have access to the cobalt and promised to care about our issues which was a big false promises, but the phone, electric car and battery companies are getting richer without giving back to local people, this need to change for the sake of humanity.
Joe and his team have done the best reporting out of ALL media outlets!
And THIS is why joe rogan needs to be protected at all cost.
Giving people like this a voice/platform
"butt heez rayciss tho!"
- cnn
I couldn’t disagree more, I mean yeah I agree that Joe Rogan is good, but these people are poor. their socioeconomic status does not matter in their setting.
What’s bad is when you have people who are mega rich in America and people who are poor in the same damn country. why aren’t we talking about that?
So what if someone has more goats than you, but when somebody has a fucking mansion and you don’t even have a pot to piss in yet you live in the same country, you become an outcast of your society.
Except he’s wrong. There is 6x more cobalt at the bottom of the ocean than there is on land.
Joe looooooves EVs, tho.
@@almightysosa3007 what area of the ocean bottom though, that's vital info you left out. It's not feasible to mine cobalt from the ocean floor as of yet , not on the level it's occuring in the congo. If it were it would already be happening at a massive scale as it is in the congo......
good for joe to put awareness ahead of pumping the narrative
Now that you are aware what steps are you prepared to take to hinder this? Are you going to stop buying cell phones, laptops, etc? If not then awareness means literally nothing.
@@mooreweasel is it really the problem of consumption or is it political?
@@89burni politics aren't going to interfere with things happening in other countries especially when a company isn't based in the United States. Addionally, consumerism drives the market, politicians/governments depend on consumerism to survive. So politics aren't going to solve this. It's up to the consumer to say hey Apple, telsa etc. We're not going to buy anymore of your products until something is done about this. Otherwise it won't change.
@@mooreweasel but every market has rules and those are set by politics.
@@mooreweasel would be totally fine to stop buying all said shit if there was none at the beginning
This is absolutely terrifying
This is heartbreaking
If we could all shed our ego and dedicate our life to a meaningful existence like this man. He is truly someone to be admired and respected. Finally, Joe got someone to talk about this, he’s mentioned it many times.
Yes...we must find away to get DMT into the water supply. The DMT and the fluoride will have their very own holy war...
🙄 ego isn't the problem it's greed.
@@Bone_Thug the elites allow this because they want the wealth. Money and oil make the world go around, if we correct what is wrong say goodbye to technology that's why nothing will be done.
Shed the ego for greed you mean
Ok. So what have you done to help change the world, or did commenting that just make you feel good.
The guest obviously knows his stuff, and I am impressed by how he started out sounding a bit nervous (in my opinion) and became confident and impassioned when describing the video.
Didn't sound nervous at all.
There's no cobalt (or for that matter nickel) in LFP batteries (lithium iron phosphate). These are becoming more and more common because they're cheaper and safer, and also don't happen to have the cobalt issue. For example the standard range Tesla model 3 uses these, as well as many other EVs.
The issue with lithium mining is the devastating polluting of the natural environment and thus peoples health and well being.
People also ignore the fact that cobalt has been used for desulfurization of crude oil for 80+ years.
@@Billy.80 Yeah, "people" do. I was at the grocery store earlier and some guy was ignoring the fact that cobalt has been used for desulfurization of crude oil for 80+ years. "People" don't know what that means you nerd.
0.0017 United States Dollar. Xaf congo $
Salaries in the category: Mining, Metallurgy. The gross salary range for people working in Congo in Mining, Metallurgy is typically from 31,156 XAF (minimum salary) to 78,122 XAF (highest average, actual maximum salary is higher). This is the total monthly salary including bonuses.
132 usd month