Magnus Will ALWAYS Be The "World Champion"

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ความคิดเห็น • 549

  • @icollectstories5702
    @icollectstories5702 ปีที่แล้ว +923

    I agree with some of Anish's comments: the Champion is not necessarily the best player. Those are two different titles. And this occurs in other sports, too.

    • @okdk2362
      @okdk2362 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Yup very correct, i watch UFC and its the same there, the champion is not always the best in the division.

    • @cutekitten9856
      @cutekitten9856 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Anish is exactly right, but Magnus fanboys are unable to accept the reality.

    • @SgtJuls
      @SgtJuls ปีที่แล้ว +34

      This is true BUT, Magnus decided not to play and if he would’ve wanted to I sure 95% of would say he’d win again… it’s not a matter if he participated and lost, it’s a matter of he didn’t participate therefore is the champion really the champion if he didn’t beat the best?

    • @giorgio8438
      @giorgio8438 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@SgtJuls This argument is not much worth. Suppose Jan Krzysztof Duda would have decided to not participate in the last World Cup and suppose that Magnus Carlsen would have been the winner. How many of us would say "Carlsen is not the real winner of the World Cup because Duda did not participate, and if he participated he would have won"?

    • @cutekitten9856
      @cutekitten9856 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@SgtJuls "Is the champion really the champion if he didn’t beat the best". This happens in sports all the time. The best team in the regular season stumbles in playoffs. The best runner gets injured before the Olympics. The best cyclist punctures his tire. People who are not #1 become campions all the time - in fact this is probably more frequent then the opposite. And don't forget that in 2016 Magnus almost lost to Karjakin, who was nowhere near as good as him.

  • @FiryaFYI
    @FiryaFYI ปีที่แล้ว +260

    With all the rivelry, its really nice to see hikaru gives Magnus his props.
    Respect them both🫡

    • @RedDefender77
      @RedDefender77 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Like Earl Strickland admitting that Efren Reyes was the better player in their rivarly.

    • @juliocadavid6640
      @juliocadavid6640 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Naka has always given magnus props

    • @FiryaFYI
      @FiryaFYI ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@juliocadavid6640 i know. But he does banter wuite a bit. So its nice to see a moment of honesty

    • @cae2525
      @cae2525 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Lmao if Hikaru had gotten the second place in the candidates he wouldn't be saying this

    • @tenorhighc1
      @tenorhighc1 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cae2525 hahaha maybe!

  • @chokoon21
    @chokoon21 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    When the final boss doesn't even allow you a chance to beat him.

  • @ZeyadElsayeed
    @ZeyadElsayeed ปีที่แล้ว +601

    Hikaru woke up and chose to speak facts

    • @RobertVargaCG
      @RobertVargaCG ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Fact

    • @chess5317
      @chess5317 ปีที่แล้ว

      faxxxxx

    • @cutekitten9856
      @cutekitten9856 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      No, the fact is that Magnus will no longer be a champion after this tournament is finished. This is an actual "fact" - using the definition of this word: a statement that could be proven to be true. What Hikaru said is not a fact - this is just his emotional interpretation.

    • @AFAFIGHTS
      @AFAFIGHTS ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cutekitten9856🤓

    • @____.111
      @____.111 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      @@cutekitten9856 actually ☝🤓

  • @seantheswimmer
    @seantheswimmer ปีที่แล้ว +103

    everyone knows frank is the real world champ

  • @maatte7093
    @maatte7093 ปีที่แล้ว +135

    the carlsen guy should try the candidates

  • @maxfriis
    @maxfriis ปีที่แล้ว +276

    Magnus is not going to follow Fishers example. Sure they are both aliens, but Magnus is not a crazy alien.

    • @turdeaugottago114
      @turdeaugottago114 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      fischer got smarter as he aged like most of us do

    • @SaltedFishEqualToHeaven
      @SaltedFishEqualToHeaven ปีที่แล้ว +10

      i feel like there's also the generation in factor. we are literally living in an era where there are multiple chess monsters currently alive. fischer definitely had some competition, but magnus has way more impressive feats against way more powerful players

    • @NinjaAuctioneer
      @NinjaAuctioneer ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Fischer wasn’t crazy at all

    • @vercot7000
      @vercot7000 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@NinjaAuctioneer yeah he was. A few screws lose

    • @belchmelch
      @belchmelch ปีที่แล้ว +3

      respectfully disagree … Fischer beating “Russia” was probably the greatest feat… he didn’t have a team helping him during that WCC. At his peak, his margin of victories at tournaments were clear cut, blowing out the competition.
      Today, we have cheat codes… computers…
      It doesn’t take away from Magnus. I think Magnus, Morphy & Capablanca have a certain style to their games that are more interesting than most.
      But the argument as to the best cannot alone be based on Elo when comparing different generations.

  • @eg8049
    @eg8049 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Magnus ain't losing his mind, that mf enjoying poker for a while now

  • @kheireddineattala1281
    @kheireddineattala1281 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    It is now canon that vishy and magnus are only slightly different people

  • @Neilly671
    @Neilly671 ปีที่แล้ว +147

    As Ric Flair would say "To be the man you need to beat the man"

    • @DKarkarov
      @DKarkarov ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Exactly. Can we get a WOOOOOOOO up in here?

    • @boriskogan666
      @boriskogan666 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@DKarkarov WOOOOOOOOO!!! couldn't agree more. don't know what crawled up magnuse's ass to make him not defend his title, but in 2021 he made nepo look like a child.

    • @luisalonso959
      @luisalonso959 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      imagine ric flair as a super grandmaster xd

    • @SeddincY
      @SeddincY ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wrestling and chess? Where can i sign up

    • @guillaumelagueyte1019
      @guillaumelagueyte1019 ปีที่แล้ว

      @boris I think he doesn't like the format of the championship match, and also the fact that he has to prepare for literally six months with very reduced possibilities to attend other tournaments spoils the fun for him

  • @orccen
    @orccen ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I wouldn't be surprised if Magnus enters the next candidates, he has already said that he wished he had to fight for his place in the final every time

  • @theguardian308
    @theguardian308 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I feel for Nepo and Ding, one of them will be world champ, but I the eyes of nearly every one it will be still Carlson

    • @peedless4844
      @peedless4844 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      and rightfully so

    • @ssk58607
      @ssk58607 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@peedless4844 not really lol it's not their fault that magnus chose not to play, they should be called the champion rightfully but it won't happen

    • @user-ee1lo1il3f
      @user-ee1lo1il3f ปีที่แล้ว +2

      i doubt they would be too upset tbh. both of them realise magnus is better and they wouldn't have the title if he chose to play. i think whoever wins will be very happy with the $1m+ prize and the bit of recognition and fame that they will still receive

    • @OriginalPuro
      @OriginalPuro 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Carlsen*

  • @gruntgobshite
    @gruntgobshite ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Anish is completely right. Best player not always the world champ or gold medalist in pretty much every other sport in the world. Another example is two of Vishy’s five world titles came when Garry was active but had broken away from FIDE. Only time Vishy played Garry in a world championship match was 1995 which Garry won convincingly 4-1. Yet everybody rightly recognizes Vishy as 5 times world champion. Also if we flip this logic around and assume for a moment that Nepo had won his match against Magnus. Even then Magnus would remain the best player in the world.

    • @peedless4844
      @peedless4844 ปีที่แล้ว

      no ... if he beat him in this format ... that would be very much different

    • @alexponco4753
      @alexponco4753 ปีที่แล้ว

      no it would be different because Ian beat him fair and square in wc match
      But the problem is=Magnus abdicated and refused to play
      And u can see the case with Anand vs Kasparov
      Anand is the world champion for 5 times but people still considered that time as Kasparov'Era

  • @mohitparashar1174
    @mohitparashar1174 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I wonder what Hikaru would have said had he end up 2nd in the candidates.

  • @kamadazit9120
    @kamadazit9120 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Says the guy who chocked in the candidates

  • @aboveyou.634
    @aboveyou.634 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hikaru woke up and chose to be jealous from ding and ian.

  • @Akeno_7
    @Akeno_7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    magnus stated that he won't defend because he feels like winning it won't give him any satisfaction that shows he improved or gained anything, since obv he has nothing to prove at this point. The only thing left for him to do is actually break records. So he stated that he wants to focus more on things that he can improve on and be better for the next time he plays.

  • @David_7171
    @David_7171 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    I wonder if hikaru would be saying this if he was playing in the world championships?

    • @samt7676
      @samt7676 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Probably not 😂😂😂😂

    • @kevinmartincossiolozano8245
      @kevinmartincossiolozano8245 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Probably even more, he has always been very honest and open about this topic

    • @terena3806
      @terena3806 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      He would 100%

    • @compton8301
      @compton8301 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He wouldn’t. Anyway, he’ll never qualify for the world championships because other super grandmaster destroy him in classical.

    • @terena3806
      @terena3806 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@compton8301 wait a second, are we talking about the same guy that was almost going to qualify for the championship itself? The same guy that destroyed everyone in the FIDE grand prix and excelled at a time where there were players like rapport, levon and much more? I think you're letting your anger and (perhabs) biases blind you into believing Hikaru would get crushed by other Super GMs. The only one who can consistently crush Hikaru is Magnus himself but I don't think that's much of a problem since that's basically standard procedure.
      And don't get me wrong, as you have clearly not watched him play before or are so pathetic that you refuse not to engage critically, none of the things I mentioned were in blitz/rapid/online. It was Hikaru casually destroying the classical scene after not playing for 2 years. One of the best performances I've seen and this is coming from someone who had no faith in him at the start lmao

  • @BornInsane0
    @BornInsane0 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    dang.. hikaru saying the quiet part out loud

  • @InvestorsHeaven
    @InvestorsHeaven ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Very true. You got to beat the world champion to be the real world champion. Obviously not possible this year, but it is what it is.

    • @gunther982
      @gunther982 ปีที่แล้ว

      Magnus withdrew and lost his title.

  • @seunmejule651
    @seunmejule651 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Best and Champion have never meant the same thing.

  • @christopherstokes9393
    @christopherstokes9393 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Yeah, I have to agree with Hikaru here.
    I mean no disrespect to Ding or Nepo: both of them are extraordinary players, and both of them would annihiliate players who would annihilate me. But when you have another active player who: a) is clearly the highest-rated in the world (and the instant favourite to win any tournament he enters), and b) has not lost to the official World Champion in an official World Championship match... the title of 'World Champion' starts to feel a bit hollow.
    I do hope the dispute between Magnus and FIDE, regarding the format, can be resolved one way or another. I think not having him in the World Championship is simply bad for chess.

  • @duffman9908
    @duffman9908 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Chess is about to have a World Champion and a Lineal Champion.

  • @mikekeenanphd
    @mikekeenanphd ปีที่แล้ว

    Well, "Time takes everybody out, time's undefeated." Rocky Balboa

  • @DhairyaPandey-vo4gf
    @DhairyaPandey-vo4gf ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You wouldn't say that if you were sitting there instead of ding.( You won't defeat Nepo)

  • @sashajasper497
    @sashajasper497 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes it is a very strange situation. If Magnus retired and relinquished the title it makes sense but continuing to play....

  • @Kitcomedy
    @Kitcomedy ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Big statement but true. If nepo wins well magnus just toasted him the past few years no one considers him better

  • @Hbmd3E
    @Hbmd3E ปีที่แล้ว

    Only thing in a short term could drop Magnus is motivation and things like starting to consume alcohol too much, and its not light "treath"

  • @ROMEROJUCA123
    @ROMEROJUCA123 ปีที่แล้ว

    dude in chat typing "magnus is dogshit" ICANT 🤣🤣

  • @CRaDeRa
    @CRaDeRa ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If they changed the format then it wouldn`t be as "weird" if the best player didn`t always win, as we see in football, track & field, and the "regular" chess competitions like Tata Steel, etc. With the difficulty of being able to get to the WC match through the Candidates, and the fact that the champion automatically sits in the final to defend the title, it becomes more of an expectation that Magnus wins, as he has also mentioned to be the problem that he feels relieved rather than happy when winning.

  • @chrism3790
    @chrism3790 ปีที่แล้ว

    Magnus abdicated his title just to have something to chase again. He wants to play the candidates and actually fight for it.

    • @alexponco4753
      @alexponco4753 ปีที่แล้ว

      Actually his goal=to reach 2900
      He said 2900 is far more important than wc

  • @jennystrandqvist1568
    @jennystrandqvist1568 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Two other common viewpoints from other sports are that you need to at least beat the world champion and/or have to defend the title before you the actual World Champion. The winner of Nepo-Ding has not beaten the world champion, so they can only reach above criteria when one of them have to defend the title next time.

    • @Stoiccynic224
      @Stoiccynic224 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same goes for magnus. He didn't defend his title by beating the number one contender so he is no more the champion. You can't just win one championship and decide to retire and then be called chess champion for the rest of your lives. You have to come and defend it. And if you refuse to do so you lose the title. It's that simple.

    • @rodriguez4809
      @rodriguez4809 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      ​@@Stoiccynic224 "You can't just win one championship and decide to retire and then be called chess champion for the rest of your lives" are you even a chess player? xDDD Such statement couldn't come from chess player. He literally dominates chess world by being ahead of #2 player by 50+ elo points thats no joke. For years he was champion in every single time format (not just classical) and hasnt lost a single game to the number one contender (Ian) in previous year.
      You must be trolling. I cant come up with any other conclusion.
      Yes TECHNICALLY He will lose his title in classic format. But practically speaking, everyone (except u) will still know he's #1 player (not just currently but in history so far)

    • @Romo23
      @Romo23 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rodriguez4809 He can be the #1 chess player and also not be the World Champion. 'World Champion' is just a title.

    • @joebalmond3036
      @joebalmond3036 ปีที่แล้ว

      Vacating world titles happens frequently in sports such as boxing and UFC. It doesn't always work that way

    • @nomadsland.
      @nomadsland. ปีที่แล้ว

      So you think Fischer died as a world champion and Karpov Kasparov are not the champions till Fischer passed away?

  • @thegorn
    @thegorn ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Magnus is living rent-free in Hikaru's head

  • @SnazzyTaylor
    @SnazzyTaylor ปีที่แล้ว

    It’s not even that it’s not the best player as WC it’s that the new one will not have beaten the old one who is still playing

  • @TrondArneAusdal
    @TrondArneAusdal ปีที่แล้ว +20

    If it happens too often that the best player in a sport or a game isn't the world champion, there is something wrong with the way you decide who is the world champion. Chess is a bit like this. To be eligible for the candidates and then to win it, and after that having to win against the reigning WC ... That's a lot of hoops to jump through!

    • @kevinmartincossiolozano8245
      @kevinmartincossiolozano8245 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's not the process, actually. Magnus wasn't wc on those years because he didn't participate because he didn't like the format. Fischer wasn't wc because he retired, Magnus will not be wc in 2023 because he is not participating. It has nothing to do with the process but the players that are not willing to play. It's really not that often that the best player casually looses against an overall worst player, some brilliancy is required as shown with Kramnik combined with inaccuracies from the defender.

    • @kevinmartincossiolozano8245
      @kevinmartincossiolozano8245 ปีที่แล้ว

      The problem is more about how boring and frustrating is to prepare those matches. Magnus wants something more exciting, like rapid, blitz and classical chess during the wc. However, that will definitely bring higher chances for unworthy champions, as seen with the wc for blitz/rapid games.

  • @CSMDenji
    @CSMDenji ปีที่แล้ว

    Alice lee: Im coming for you

  • @XerxesGammon200
    @XerxesGammon200 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    What format was Magnus demanding exactly? He wanted it to be rapid/blitz or a combination?

    • @mango7753
      @mango7753 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Carlsen demanded to have a young super-grandmaster as his opponent, specifically Alireza Firouzja, or else Carlsen didn't want to play in the championship anymore.

    • @Alice58302
      @Alice58302 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      He wanted less long games yeah

    • @System.Error.
      @System.Error. ปีที่แล้ว +20

      he wanted a real opponent, not those lame dudes

    • @shreyaskumar9175
      @shreyaskumar9175 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      That's the thing. He didn't propose any. He said to fide (sarcasm) bro y'all have a trash format I ain't playing. And he is completely ok to do that. He gets decides where he plays and it's not his fault that this year's wcc has low viewers due to him not playing

    • @fonteinbloem3067
      @fonteinbloem3067 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      From what I understood, Carlsen was going to play the world championship match in current time control if his opponents was Alireza, but he also would have played the match against anybody if the format was shortened.

  • @Sympanet
    @Sympanet ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Imagine magnus comes back and wins the next championship. Like he was just bored this year.

  • @takkutiwari1
    @takkutiwari1 ปีที่แล้ว

    I doubt that hikaru have said this if he would have been in the place of ding

  • @Dune44
    @Dune44 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Magnus is not even dominating tournaments right now, i think he just likes to play rapid & blitz these days

    • @SnepyV2
      @SnepyV2 ปีที่แล้ว

      he just plays casual chess , focus on poker

    • @alexponco4753
      @alexponco4753 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes,but he's still almost unbeatable in classical
      Remember Tata steel?
      Magnus lost 2 games in the row,then he comeback to get 2 nd place in the end of tournament(he an get the 1st place if he beat prag)
      So Magnus still very strong in classical,even we can say the strongest

  • @gonzo2495
    @gonzo2495 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    nice to see that his chat is as braindead as of other streamers.

  • @SeddincY
    @SeddincY ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hikaru said it best. I dont think we can just move on.

    • @kamadazit9120
      @kamadazit9120 ปีที่แล้ว

      We absolutely can. Magnus wanted a younger opponent, that younger opponent got dealt with in the candidates, there's nothing fide can do about that

  • @itzyuzuruclips
    @itzyuzuruclips ปีที่แล้ว

    Hikaru spittin silent fax

  • @the_bane
    @the_bane ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Magnus Snackensen and Hikaru GDM (Grand Drink Master) should go together as they always have something to drink/eat.

  • @Hbmd3E
    @Hbmd3E ปีที่แล้ว

    Yet should not be ignored that there is intense pressure in the World Champpion match and one that people can spesificly focuse on that aim so there is also preparing opponent style and to plan how to win him in this particulare serie. and things like that that makes it unique and special.
    Also rules have been made and long time is a thing. And if one wants to be world Champion he needs to show up.
    Maybe Magnus feared that the lack of motivation dont help him in this long and intense match people can argue.

  • @eatmaaddy2
    @eatmaaddy2 ปีที่แล้ว

    everybody knows hikaru is just mad he isnt playing

  • @Muhammed1884
    @Muhammed1884 ปีที่แล้ว

    "I will always love you"

  • @TheMightyKingzuru
    @TheMightyKingzuru ปีที่แล้ว

    After this match, Hikaru will still be trying to get his first shot at the wcc. Fact.

  • @raindropsonthewindowsill5170
    @raindropsonthewindowsill5170 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I agree.

  • @Nick-pl8st
    @Nick-pl8st ปีที่แล้ว +1

    World champion ≠ best player alive
    World champion is like a king of the hill tournament. If you don’t play you don’t win 🤷

    • @alexponco4753
      @alexponco4753 ปีที่แล้ว

      yes,but for decades=the wc player has always been the strongest player alive
      So when this kind of thing happen=people started to worry about it
      They worried the wc title will lose its appeal,because not the strongest player held it
      Just imagine if u live in Fischer's era but the wc is not Fischer but someone else,even though Fischer dominate everyone

  • @ewallt
    @ewallt ปีที่แล้ว

    He’s right. The winner will be viewed as winning the claim to number 2.

  • @Man6524
    @Man6524 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Magnus just wants a film about him to be interesting

    • @diskritis2076
      @diskritis2076 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That is the dream of every single person

  • @StarryNightGazing
    @StarryNightGazing ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hikaru bringing the salt.

  • @theonlyarkofnoah
    @theonlyarkofnoah ปีที่แล้ว

    Again, I commented this in a lot of videos. Why can't we incorporate armageddon in world championship match?
    If you win the classical, 3 points for you, 0 points for the opponent. 90 minutes + 45 minutes, increment 5 seconds. (Compared to the current one, it's 120 minutes + 60 minutes)
    If you win the armageddon rapid, 1 points for you, 0 point for the opponent. 15 minutes, increment 5 seconds. (so winning 1 classical equals to winning 3 armageddon since winning in classical is much harder)
    The time portion in classical is reduced since we add armageddon.
    If you play with white in classical, you play white in armageddon.
    This way, all the games are decisive, just the decisive-ness is varies for every match. With this, we have a way to cope with the boringness of 14 classical match, and all player will have more strategy to win (not only to draw games).
    And we can apply this to candidates tournament as well

  • @slothbearanonymous
    @slothbearanonymous ปีที่แล้ว +2

    exactly. magnus is now perpetual world champion.

  • @magnusmagnusson8302
    @magnusmagnusson8302 ปีที่แล้ว

    i think price $$ was the biggest issue Magnus didnt want to play.

  • @lessiakochetkova8363
    @lessiakochetkova8363 ปีที่แล้ว

    I totally agree with Hikaru. His honesty is awesome. Congrats, Hikaru...you are the best!! Thank you for expressing openly your opinion. A lot of us feel the same way.

  • @dannygjk
    @dannygjk ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes in a sense of course that is true because if he isn't beaten in a match no one earned the championship from him. When someone wins a WCh match they are technically the world champ but not necessarily currently the best player.

  • @bergrugu
    @bergrugu ปีที่แล้ว

    But how can you change the format? You can't force somebody to play

  • @Chunda8
    @Chunda8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm not sure it's all that simple. One way to look at it might be to think of the World Championship as one of many tournaments, it just has a high prize fund and the title. There are plenty of other events out there with substantial prizes and Magnus appears to be booked into plenty of these in the future. Also, a lot of players have mentioned the mental and physical toll that elite chess can take on the strongest players. Nobody can sustain that forever, and props to Magnus for a very long run, to play at the top level for 10 years is huge. Apparently he also made a small fortune.

  •  ปีที่แล้ว

    Also, "the best in the world" hits different than the world champion title.

    • @alexponco4753
      @alexponco4753 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes but for decades people always see the wc as the strongest
      Fischer(world no 1+wc)
      Kasparov(world no 1 + wc)

  • @alexandernipracs6292
    @alexandernipracs6292 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't know. Of course, this causes some discomfort in Nepo and Ding, because whoever wins, it's very likely that they won't be so happy, because they'll know they didn't beat the true champion (Carlsen). However, the fact that Carlsen doesn't compete, doesn't want to compete, for whatever reason, either because he doesn't agree with the format, or because he thinks it's too stressful, etc., he's »losing«, or even, »giving up«. For example, saying that Carlsen's behavior is not that of a "loser" would be equivalent to saying that, when someone loses in chess because of time, it was not a real defeat. But hey, time is also a factor in chess. As well as preparation, as well as managing stress, anxiety, accepting the format, etc. From that perspective, Carlsen was disqualified or something like that.

  • @kdrangej
    @kdrangej ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Regardless of what people mean, the world champion WILL BE the world champion.

    • @Romo23
      @Romo23 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, I agree with this sentiment. 'World Champion' is just a title and does not necessarily mean that they are the best. Typically they are the same person, but not always.

    • @JoakimLarsson570
      @JoakimLarsson570 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not really

  • @KvS1248
    @KvS1248 ปีที่แล้ว

    Agree with Hikaru here, that IS the simple reality

  • @kudzem
    @kudzem ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Once you become the GOAT, you don't need titles anymore

    • @belchmelch
      @belchmelch ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Fischer didn’t just not need the title… he just plain hates the game after. magnus is on the Mt Rushmore of chess… along with Kasparov & Fischer… the 4th person is a matter of preference IMO.

  • @tafinem8332
    @tafinem8332 ปีที่แล้ว

    Here is a very easy explanation from me. In CSGO ( a fps game ) the last major ( most prestigious championship ) was won by Faze Clan But the best player for several years now is ( debatable ) S1mple from navi.

    • @DieOrBeDead775
      @DieOrBeDead775 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah but that's very different because one player is not the whole team in csgo.

  • @shivekagrawal4412
    @shivekagrawal4412 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bro really did the rock eyebrow meme
    0:10

  • @vijayshankar5321
    @vijayshankar5321 ปีที่แล้ว

    Magnus❤️

  • @Catofborealvalley
    @Catofborealvalley ปีที่แล้ว

    There was an even worse situation in tennis, where the best player Djokovic and even the second best Medvedev weren’t allowed in tournaments due to Covid restrictions or political bullshit, so this other player Alcaraz was number one for almost a year. The whole thing made being a world champion a meaningless thing, because it didn’t reflect skill, but rather circumstance and luck.

  • @adamkostas6401
    @adamkostas6401 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Being a World Champion is honorable. And it would appear to me that Magnus just doesn't care.

  • @galaxytractor
    @galaxytractor ปีที่แล้ว

    Maybe, instead of being done like 'boxing' where the World champ faces a challenger, chess champions should be decided more like NFL champions (except maybe the current champion gets an automatic seed in the 'playoffs'/candidates.) This way players are always 'achieving' instead of 'maintaining'. Just an idea. Also, if a championship match is desired, the 2 top finishers could play for the championship of the world. Like Ding and Nepo are.

  • @1m2ogaming
    @1m2ogaming ปีที่แล้ว

    Hikaru with the facts.

  • @josephdiao8149
    @josephdiao8149 ปีที่แล้ว

    I woke up craving something sweet and salty....like Applewood bacon. But thanks to this video now I'm served sour. Thanks Hikaru "tries to sound normal and cool" nakamura

  • @nomadsland.
    @nomadsland. ปีที่แล้ว

    Well i didnot remember that Magnus beats Caruana at wch match, but only tie breaks.

    • @alexponco4753
      @alexponco4753 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yet he still beat him in overall,based on ur logic=Ding also didn't win because he beat Ian in tie breaks

    • @nomadsland.
      @nomadsland. ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alexponco4753 at least they won some games… not playing for draws. And you are right my logic is kinda wrong here :)

  • @traplover6357
    @traplover6357 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Tl;dr of Anish: Difference between being current Champion and being a GOAT

    • @thirtyone8607
      @thirtyone8607 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      he did not mention legacy, just other players at the time being stronger

  • @slimshadyev
    @slimshadyev ปีที่แล้ว +51

    That's the right way of thinking. Magnus will always be world champion in our hearts.

  • @nossenkanter
    @nossenkanter ปีที่แล้ว

    Such a bad way to try to undercut the event. If he wanted to be, then he has to play.

  • @k_ralph9391
    @k_ralph9391 ปีที่แล้ว

    So Hikaru says Magnus is the world champion without playing anyway but in my opinion Hans Niemann not only is not playing the world championship he also beat Magnus and also dont need any ratingpoints because clearly chess speaks for itself, so he has to be the true word champion!

  • @aaronadams7831
    @aaronadams7831 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When a boxing champion retires, his title is vacated. Two new fighters will compete for the vacant championship. The retired champion may still be the best fighter but has retired. It's a little like Floyd Mayweather Jr who's retired and not the champion. He would likely regain his title if he fought again and has continued to fight paid exhibitions.
    If we love chess, we should be careful not to inadvertently ruin the credibility of the championship.

    • @alexponco4753
      @alexponco4753 ปีที่แล้ว

      But the problem is=Magnus is not retired,that's the biggest issue
      If u look at all other champion,they usually abbdicated their title when they retire and stop partitipcate
      He can still compete in every big event
      Can u imagine if Magnus reach 2900 and win all these events,wc title will lose its appeal

  • @adamolejnik
    @adamolejnik ปีที่แล้ว

    Yeah man! that's simple reality

  • @empireofthechangedayandnight
    @empireofthechangedayandnight ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The sad reality is that Magnus will lose his power of play with every year, so it's become more and more unlikely, that he will be a world champion again ...

    • @landsgevaer
      @landsgevaer ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You make it sound like he is getting senile.
      I don't have exact stats, but he still is of fairly average world champions age. Anand was some 10 yrs older. Players reaching a peak rating somewhere near 40 is entirely normal even.
      I bet the fact that he will no longer be WC will make him more eager, and that motivation will make him stronger, easily compensating for a few years difference in age.
      Or maybe you mean that his probability of being able to win a world championship match (when partaking) dropped from 90% to 80% or whatever; that is a relatively huge drop, but still great odds.
      I would definitely bet that he has another WC in store, or if he doesn't it is more about his motivation than his age.

    • @hugmynutus
      @hugmynutus ปีที่แล้ว

      Doubtful. Playing the most mid stalemate lines with little time pressure for draws, to defend his title, isn't going to help him improve.

    • @landsgevaer
      @landsgevaer ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hugmynutus Lets see, he reigned for a decade, and now he has been playing with less ambition for a year or so he is suddenly lost forever!? He doesn't even need to improve.

    • @mranonymous00
      @mranonymous00 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@hugmynutus he doesn't need to improve others need to improve to beat him because he just stronger then all of them

  • @acrobatmapping
    @acrobatmapping ปีที่แล้ว

    If Ding wins he would probably have at least a stronger claim given that he never played 1v1 against Carlsen. If Nepo wins then he is world champion but everyone knows he lost the world championship match 1v1 against Magnus.
    Hence Ding winning would probably be the stronger claim.

    • @alexponco4753
      @alexponco4753 ปีที่แล้ว

      But still, people know Magnus is the strongest player alive today
      So wc title is just a title,not represent the strongest classical player,that's the whole debate

  • @johnsonbra2004
    @johnsonbra2004 ปีที่แล้ว

    I thot chess had no time limit

  • @DKarkarov
    @DKarkarov ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yeah, this is where you need to look at boxing for guidance. There is a lesser known title in boxing and it is the "lineal" championship. Basically it is a non physical title you get by beating the person who has it, and that person got it by beating the person who had it before, etc. It can be traced all the way back to the founding of professional boxing.
    You can't be stripped, and you don't lose it unless you get beaten. It is why Tyson Fury is the bigger draw than Oleksandr Usyk, because he has fewer belts... but he is the lineal champion not Usyk. The lineage is more important than any belt.
    Magnus Carlsen is 100% the "lineal" champion in the chess sense.

    • @rdbom4252
      @rdbom4252 ปีที่แล้ว

      How does that work if the lineal champion decides not to defend his title? I mean by that argument, Karpov isn't the lineal champion because he didn't defeat Fischer, and then Kasparov isn't the lineal champion because he only defeated Karpov, but Karpov didn't defeat Fischer, and so on.

    • @DKarkarov
      @DKarkarov ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rdbom4252 lol well then it gets complicated but it goes to the person who gets accepted as the dominant force. In boxing for example when Lennox Lewis retired he was the lineal champion but it eventually was accepted as passed to Vladimir Klitschko because he had most of the belts and had beaten every top rank fighter (minus his brother, but he beat the guy who beat his brother)

    • @jesusthroughmary
      @jesusthroughmary ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't think it's "lesser known", Tyson Fury mentions it 176000 times a day, lol

    • @jesusthroughmary
      @jesusthroughmary ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rdbom4252 if the lineal champion retires he gives it up, but that isn't the case with Magnus

    • @rdbom4252
      @rdbom4252 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jesusthroughmary Let's say Ding wins this WC for the sake of argument. What if Magnus doesn't retire but gets worse, over the years, and at some point Ding is the better player? Would he then be respected as the proper champion? If so, then what's the point of a WC match at all if everyone is just respecting the WC based on who they believe is best? But if not, then what's to stop it dragging on until Magnus is 80 years old?
      And what if there is a similar situation with two more closely-matched players. Does the WC get lingering respect for years as a WC if he refuses to defend his title but doesn't actually retire? I think we can all agree that he wouldn't get WC respect in that situation. So really we're just basing this on who we think is better, and there isn't any point to the WC match.
      I mean, what if Magnus had a new medical condition which means that he's no longer able to play in a long title match? He could then just refuse to play, knowing he'll be seen as the true WC until he retires, despite not being able to defend a WC match if it came to it. I know this is hypothetical, but the point is it could happen, if not now then in the future.
      So all this talk about it not being a real WC match seems a bit mean-spirited (and open to abuse by the incumbent WC). I think if you don't defend your title then that's it: give respect to the new WC.

  • @davidjames5517
    @davidjames5517 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anish has the right perspective.

  • @evelynn4273
    @evelynn4273 ปีที่แล้ว

    The title "World Champion" is really just the label of whoever wins the FIDE World Championship Tournament. It's nice that the two were conjoined for a while, but it's not really the same thing. It's especially obvious when you consider that the best in the world could change from multiple times in 2 years.

    • @alexponco4753
      @alexponco4753 ปีที่แล้ว

      The problem is=its never happened ebfore in chess
      Usually the wc is someone with the highest elo rating in the world(except for Magnus vs Anand),but even that only lasted a year
      The question is=what happen if Magnus still dominate for 10 years++ or if he reached 2900 while still not holding the wc title
      People will start to think wc title useless,because its not represent the strongest player alive

    • @evelynn4273
      @evelynn4273 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alexponco4753 - it has happened before. plenty of times. and I agree that it would be a problem of labeling for FIDE and our own mental models would have to adjust. I don't think Magnus is that interested in playing classical matches right now. I also think that the FIDE world championship is a different animal than a rating system. And pressure is a real enemy to overcome. I don't think many of us can really understand what that's like.
      At any rate, I think Magnus will come back and perhaps win the next one. I think he just wants to "live his best life" right now. I also think that'll get boring very quickly. But first, he needs to find meaning in his suffering.

  • @basedpayne
    @basedpayne ปีที่แล้ว

    Same with the NBA the best Player is not always MVP that year

  • @EesaSalmanKakakhel
    @EesaSalmanKakakhel ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bro it sucks to see magnus losing now

    • @thenamkich
      @thenamkich ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He just doesn't give a snack i g

    • @cakewalk4602
      @cakewalk4602 ปีที่แล้ว

      he doesn't care 🥱

  • @astrozen3338
    @astrozen3338 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think you should have continued to fight for the Crown as well, although we all love your You Tube videos...

  • @lordwilksy
    @lordwilksy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Exactly, in some ways Magnus has 💩the world title perception.
    Whoever wins is the new Rustam Kasimdzhanov…

  • @luckysniper1659
    @luckysniper1659 ปีที่แล้ว

    When you think about it. There are chess world champions of different formats. Blitz or bullet or whatever. Fischer random. But the classical champion is champion of all chess.

    • @alexponco4753
      @alexponco4753 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yet,that's why people argue about it
      Classical champions should be the strongest player on classical,it wont be an issue if Ian/Ding beat Magnus(the current strongest chess player in the world with the highest elo)
      But Magnus resigned his throne and refused to participate
      So there's a 'hollow' when we talk about classical wc title

    • @luckysniper1659
      @luckysniper1659 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alexponco4753 that's my point kind of. Why argue and why not just call ding classical champion? No one argues any other format even though Magnus is highest elo. My other point is that it seems people seem to consider classical format "chess" but it is what it is I guess.

  • @prodromosregalides3402
    @prodromosregalides3402 ปีที่แล้ว

    We are finite beings and do finite things. Being a world champion in chess is one of them. Maybe Magnus had enough , that's understandable. Distancing himself does not mean anything and he has not anything to prove. Unless of course he hates the idea of having his inevitable decline be documented in a public game, but that is his right I suppose.

  • @KMONTE07
    @KMONTE07 ปีที่แล้ว

    like you, "I literally don't care" about this world championship match

  • @TandemKnights
    @TandemKnights ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Here's the deal, sometimes (like with Magnus, Fischer, Kasparov and many others) the WC is the best player as well. However, sometimes that is not the case and it occurs in other sports, besides chess. But to say that the winner of this match is not WC is folly. Little bit of sour grapes by Naka? If things had been slightly different in the candidates and he was playing for the title, I PROMISE you he would be singing a different song.

    • @mikeyb1239
      @mikeyb1239 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      i genuinely think he would say the same thing even if he was playing. hes speaking the truth that everyone knows. this world championship has been massively devalued by magnus not playing because its not even a debate if he is the best player at the moment.

  • @UnpopularOnion69
    @UnpopularOnion69 ปีที่แล้ว

    Magnus is going to dominate the poker championship

  • @AbhishekYadav-rm4hw
    @AbhishekYadav-rm4hw ปีที่แล้ว

    Nepo be like "I should've won the 6th Game. Dang".
    BTW I'm talking about Nepo vs Magnus

  • @weignerleigner3037
    @weignerleigner3037 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yeah I think Magnus should go for 2900 instead of championship. If ding just lets him play him for title I think he would do it tho

  • @boboyqc
    @boboyqc ปีที่แล้ว

    You know what I'm actually thinking that Magnus rating is gonna slowly dip as the next two years go on and then the world champion will catch up. I mean it's a nice story lol.

    • @alexponco4753
      @alexponco4753 ปีที่แล้ว

      I doubt it,if u pay attention to Fischer+Kasparov prime,its the same age as Magnus right now
      Most chess players have their prime in their 30s
      Also u remember the reason Magnus got so many elo points to reach 2800++?He undefeated for 2 years in classical chess until Duda beat him
      So Ding must be undefeatable at least 2.5 years in classical to beat his elo

  • @captainplane398
    @captainplane398 ปีที่แล้ว

    Everyone knows the best player in the world will always be Martin.

  • @prakritishobha6734
    @prakritishobha6734 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Not sure why is Hikaru so keen on changing the WCC format, literally everyone else besides Hikaru and magnus hasn't stated anything with regards to having problems with the format. In case of Hikaru he just wants to avoid the hardwork, in case of magnus that is because he has done too much of that. Atleast Hikaru repeating again and again about changing the format is making him look like that. As a viewer, i don't mind the long drawn games honestly. They are interesting to follow because there are a lot of ups and downs which occurs throughout the games regardless. Sorry but, if you are not willing to play long intense games which exhausts the shit out of you, you don't deserve to be the champion of that sport. What is the point then?

    • @FlashGamer521
      @FlashGamer521 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I mean… yeah but also, you should be able to see their point. FIDE just made up that standard, and it’s kinda dumb. The Olympics sets the standard for most sports: 4 years. Why should chess be every 2? Championship occurrence should be directly related to turnover, and most sports sports have far higher turnover then chess because age affects athleticism. A chess player can hold the top spot for over 20 years, checking to make sure they are still the best every 2 is a tad excessive.