Yes. A big macro orange and brown pattern might be the way to go. It always comes down to what you like, quality of functional design, fabric engineering and what you can afford More like this coming.
I have to say, the orange vest looked the best, that was very surprising. Screams to us, but just looks part of the leaves in peripheral vision.... thanks, man.
looks the best with color compared to leaves not trees but the bad thing is its mainly used in rifle season which almost in every state no leaves are still on the trees, obvious for safety just saying its decent in this scenario but not the most common one
One of the reasons I love hunting from a saddle, ive had mature deer look directly at me and I believe they think im just another limb coming off the tree. great video man
I think that is on of the saddle advantages over a fixed treestand. I am talking with Eddie Claypool this weekend for the Channel (letting him answer Q's about hunting) and he uses fixed stands but puts them in very non-tradition locations so he can be comfortable for all day sits but concealed.
@@CamoMatrix I hunt saddle and climber. IMHO,…they are tools and each has its benefits. I try to place the climber, so that it is not out in the open…ideally, with overhanging or nearby limbs.
I hunt the ground with a recurve and have shot several mature bucks at 10-12 yards... I gurantee certain camo patterns work better than others !!! The old school tree bark camo dominates everything from mature bucks to mature gobblers at spitting distance from ground level... This is speaking from alot of experience and many harvested bucks and gobblers with a recurve or longbow
I really like this simulation, I think you did a really good job on it, it also shows how a lot of camouflage tends to blob at distance and you can’t really see the pattern, good stuff 👍
When you look up into the trees,particularly during late fall ,you see quite a bit of sky through the branches and leaves..having a camo pattern interlaced with white/Grey is you best bet..all my ladder stands have tarp/burlap around them, blocks my lower body movements ,and I paint em with lines/ slashes/blobs of white/grey..blends in with my background and takes away the dark blob of my stand
My father in law wore a complete blaze orange camouflage suit religiously when hunting. He had deer step over his legs when sitting on the ground under a tree. Crazy!
Yes, higher would be more realistic for most guys. I may do a saddle also (maybe leaning away it just looks “big branch” like). I was only about 12 feet off the ground to do out best with the limitations of the camera view. More to come
Thanks - that was a lot of work! It's crazy how well the blaze orange melts into the leaf canopy. Your video reinforces what they always say - your camo isn't as important as not being busted moving and hunting the wind (scent control).
Yes, I was soaking wet after the trips up the tree, outfit changes and the humidity. More like this will be on the way with different light and season changes.
Really impressed with the lengths that you went to on this video. I was stunned when you used the orange vest!!! I will share this video on my Facebook group. Keep up the great work.
Brilliant idea you came up with. I think it's more realistic than the showdown vids, however I loved those too. I appreciate your effort and time you put in making this one. The backlit angle shows that no matter what you put on you'll always be a black silhouette to the deer. The blazing orange, 3d leafy and Ghillie suits worked best, I reckon. I'm curious how the front lit view would show the real difference between different camos. If you ever planned to do it again could you also test ASAT along with other patterns of your choice? That's a massive job you're already doing, mate. Seriously, the Camo brands should be paying you money for what you do for them. Not kidding! Cheers
I do plan on doing shooting this again with the sun on the opposite side and as the season and foliage changes. Yes, ASAT, VuniGear and possibly Kuiu Verde might be a good performer with the backlit set up. When I started hunting and was getting advice from old school hunters (guys now in their late 70's and early 80's who hunted before all these camo choices - who STILL HUNT BTW), they would say, pick a spot that is down wind and puts the light in their eyes. Of course, I can never convince a deer to follow the path I selected for them to take. I try with hinge cuts and cut trees, etc, but sometimes, that camo is going to need to help!
Well, keep in mind some blaze orange fluoresces under UV, which means deer can see it easily. Movement is of utmost concern still (punny I know) but I have found two blaze orange hats of mine that don't glow under UV light. One is no longer made, other was a wool cap from First Light if I recall. Check your threads under UV!
@@CamoMatrix respect for what your doing. I honestly think it’s the most cutting edge tool to have an idea how deer see. This levels new project even levels it up. We don’t and won’t truly understand how deer see exactly but I bet what you’ve created is pretty close
Yeah, i was working on creating a color spectrum that matched the classic conditioning study done by the U of Georgia some years ago but the deuteranopia filter i am using is very close to their explanation (with the exception that “some green” was seen by deer in the study. As I work on more of these, I hope to improve both my hunting tactics for concealment, and many others out there supporting wild world we all enjoy.
That color variation of the vest and pants hid the human shape. See3D has a blaze leafy suit would be deadly. If one were to have a blaze orange with black pattern it might look invisible.
Great effort, we all appreciate the time you put into these Deer Vision Videos. Hunters are spending their money on Camo based on Cool instead of effectiveness. Each Brand has it's Hype and advertising. These vids help make better and more cost effective purchasing.
I was looking for videos like this. Thanks. Seeing how dark the camp looks I’m curious about some of the winter snow type camo. Can u do one with Strata, scentlok vertigo, and terra gila with out green leaves? I’m curious about late season too when the leaves drop.
For deer vision, Having good foreground and background cover is key. Stick close to the trunk if you can or pick a cluster of trees. Otherwise, you will likely stand out and be a dark blob in the sky
I hunt elk , deer and moose in flannel jackets and commercial fishing rain gear for wet days . I learned a long time ago that it’s movement or standing in the open that gets you busted ( second to wind of course ) . Always stop by a tree or some structure , keep the wind in your face and you will be fine .
You should look into some research Missouri State did in regards to deer, one study being their vision. Completely different than ours, movement is key, they view it almost in slow motion (processing speed is fast). They have a super wide angle view, which is ALL in focus (don’t have to “look” at a specific object to make it out), however depth perception is limited (hence head movement), BUT limited visibility overhead since they didn’t evolve being hunted from the air. Also, colors, specifically in regards to camo, they see BLUE and WHITE EXTREMELY WELL. White reflects all colors, blue is the primary color at night - which they see 18x better at night than we do.
I will check on that one. I based my filter on the univ of tenn/georgia study. It is had to really capture that 300 degree view on a flat screen but i will try to mesh what i can from both studies if possible.
@@robertlira9745 Yes you have.. Karl Marx would be a completely different study. You mean Karl Miller and Bradley Cohen. Yes, this deer vision is loosely based on that. I have heard Bradley Cohen say that deer have about 80/20 to 100/20 vision, so I altered my filter based on that. I may try to brighten up blues looking forward but if the spectrum of blues they see is no visible to us, I am not sure I am really capturing it. I appreciate the comment and hope to keep improving. I did do a video after Dr. Cohen's visit to Wired to Hunt. It is here: th-cam.com/video/OxO7PFoYmCE/w-d-xo.html bunch of good links on the description and also a link to the study.
I can't believe I haven't seen your channel before. I sent a question in to the Legend Eddy Claypool from your website link. Thanks for the opportunity. I really appreciate information like this. I really think the more open camo pattern like ASAT, Predator Fall Gray and Brown, FL's new Cerce, are the best for elevated treestand hunting. Something to break up the blob especially with the open sky background. As fall progresses and there is leaf fall, this becomes more and more critical. I've always said deer don't see blaze at all either. Seems like when I wear blaze during our firearms season they almost look right through you espeically if in a tree or on the ground with snow.
I'd like to see this same test but in a stand with better back cover where the hunter isn't silhouetted against the skyline. Also, Sitka Evevated II camo would be a popular camo to add to this test.
I hunt from the ground using a recurve and i have harvested many mature bucks and gobblers at 15 yards and less... I gurantee certain camo patterns work better than others. After harvesting walls full of mature bucks and gobblers with a recurve from the ground I have found that the old school tree bark camo dominates everything else without question !!!
I know it's been a year, but I just now saw it come up in YT. Very good study....and well done. I would like to see one more outfit....a full suite of blaze orange with the black camo print. I think that would be the most concealed you could get. Anyway, I enjoyed the vid.
I noticed all the straight lines on the stand platform. Decided pretty quickly to thread some saplings with leaves around the edges to help hide those straight lines. Doing that tomorrow in fact.
This was fascinating!! As far as camo goes, you were right that with this setup it really didn’t matter…quiet and still are the best. I have a stand in a location similar to this. In my mind, I’m hoping that the deer will think that I’m a branch or fork in the tree.
Thanks, I have been planning this for a while and shot it twice trying to get it to look right. More will come like this one. I am considering using two cameras simultaneously to shoot the 300 degrees but still will be limited to squashing into the 120 degree view of the screen. It will show us both sides (what the deer is processing) and may be for an interesting watch. I am also going to to this at different times of the day and during different times of the year. I may need to set up a "dummy" location since I am using some of my real hunting locations and might be hurting my own tag punching chances.
I will see what I can do. I have thought about how to capture the 300 degree vision but no matter what I do, we are still looking at it on a flat rectangle screen. I will keep experimenting.
Awesome info 👍 the orange really blended in with the green leaves. All Camo works great but I believe as long as u break ur body’s outline and sit still works the best. I really wanna try one of those gillie suits I love the close up action 😂. Thanks for this video and sharing the information 👍👍🇺🇸💯
Great job on this! As far as the treestand aspect goes all the camo looks the same. I believe you would need more macro to really make a difference. Im honestly in the mind set after all these videos that you buy what is comfortable and what you can afford.
That was a morning time video so the sun would have been lower in that prime time shooting window. I will need to do an afternoon version with the light on the opposite side so see if the camo is visible. But yeah, a big macro pattern may be the most effective in this situation if the color even shows. I almost think a macro brown and orange would be best.
I take natural vegetation,/ branches from my surrounding area and I attach them to my stands and tree that I’m in with paracord to cover me and I only have a small area open to shoot from and I very rarely get busted. Along with excellent scent control before leaving the house and entering the woods. Stay safe all, soot straight and good luck this season..
Which military pattern? Have you used my tools on the CamoMatrix.com i have a military version and on the MyBackground tool, you can upload your own background and place military camo on it.
That one is the Game Winner EZ Set Oversize Hang-On Treestand - no arm rests but it is comfortable and easy to set up. the seat swings up so give you more standing space
I sit on the treeline against an open field. No concealment, just prone in the grass in standard camo overalls and a regular hat, long hair flying in the wind. The deer did not notice at all and walked all the way up within 10 yards of me even with camera gear and my rifle there.
Very interesting and great information received. Thank you for sharing this. One question I have is how do we know what vision deer have and how they see?
@@CamoMatrix "Shoot the bush and hope it's a turkey" comes to mind. That's actually one of the reasons I prefer archery season. Archers have to see their prey and know exactly where they will hit, so bright orange isn't needed because they know what they are looking at. Doesn't hurt to wear it, though.
What camo pattern would you recommend if my stand was in a in a pine tree and was nestled with cedar trees around it? The stand is well hidden with plenty of back drop to break up my outline. Shot would be about 25-30 yards.
There are quite a few. Look at asio for its owl cloak ability, or goat gear, huntworth vertek, killik summit, kryptek altitude, pnuma caza ov. There a quit a few. Have you used the camo matrix tool on CamoMatrix.com?
Not gonna lie, I couldnt stop laughing at the leave and Ghillie suits! They look like freaking bigfoots in the deer stands. What blew me away was how the orange suit in deer vision, dissapeared into the leaves! Reminded me of a green screen effect. 🤯
I would like to see the same method applied to lighter based camo pattern like Scent-Lok Vertigo Grey, ASAT or Predator Fall Gray or even a snow camo of some sort. Cool video!!
I would like to see this demo with a ASAT 3d suit or a snow pattern. When i get busted wearing mine the deer will almost seem to look thru you, doing that head bob thing trying to figure it out.
Leafy suits are a good option. You can wear whatever you want to get where you want to go, then slip it on. Check out the guys at Quik Camo quikcamo.com/?ref=camomatrix
If you have a bright green, it may blend in good because the orange and green will appear similar to them. If you are sitting in a darker environment, a patterned blaze from gamehide might be good
I live in NC & wear Realtree Edge camo mostly & past couple of years I’ve found that sneaking into your spot and setting up on ground can be more productive than trying to carry stands and set up and climb up a tree and get busted unknowingly before u even start hunting ! I like use natural ground cover and try to have front & back cover if possible but I’ve been thinking about the ghillie suit but I’m favoring the 3D leafy camo but don’t know what brand is the best bang for ya Buck … what brand 3D leafy suit is best budget for ground hunter with crossbow ?
Those ground set up can be killers. Being able to use the ground and surroundings as part of your cover is great. I killed my largest NC buck last year from the ground on a hillside nestled into a tree stump and some deadfall. I have a ghillie and 3D suit. The ghillie will be the best but for any body movement, the 3D leafy will be easier and still provides great concealment (and packs much easier too) I wouldn't want to walk to my spot with either one. Give the guys as Quick Camo a look. Good guys, small company and a bunch of options. quikcamo.com/?ref=camomatrix
Why aren't there more blaze orange and safety green camo patterns available? Something that takes a good camo pattern and replaces the two lightest colors with those and retains the muted browns and greens for the darker colors -- with a UV treatment. It seems like it would be better than a huge field of orange for what it's worth but still very effective for standing out to other hunters.
I have worn a British desert camo jacket and pants during hunting season and I have had them walk right in to me on the ground and jump in surprise when I had to shoo them away. It was three mature does. Like they had a sense that I was there and they were looking around but just couldn't see me. Eventually I waved my arms and got them to move on but they were definitely acting as though they were struggling to see me or make out what I was.🤔 I would like to see it through this deer vision filter.👍
I found you need to be careful how you wash your clothing, camo or not. Brighters in washing powders, I seen for my self, can make clothes’jump out’, especially at distance and low light. Great info, thank you!
Insulated work pants and a green flannel, it is then. Thanks for saving me about $400. Love the quality of some of those brands but the cost-to-worth ratio isn’t nearly as good as just buying some carhartt and calling it a day
Ok, for what it's worth, i am a complete novice looking to get into the bow hunting hobby. What i took away from your video is these points: * IF you are in a tree and back-lit, then wearing the blaze orange is best. * IF you are on the ground (preferably with at least a little cover) camo works just like it should. The one thing i speculate on is this: * IF I'm wearing blaze orange in a tree BUT there's dense dark foliage behind me (instead of being back-lit) does the blaze orange then make you stand out? It seems the point of the color is to create negative space in the deers visible light spectrum, if that appears in a place it shouldn't- does it tip the deer off? Food for thought and a comment for the algorithm, thank you for this video
The ideal set up is to have cover in front and behind you. The blaze orange could be in your favor, it could hurt you. It will also depend on the angle of your approach. Which you cannot predict most of the time (especially in the SouthEast). If you are backlit you will stand out but from other tests i have done, even a overcast sky, camo patterns are lost and the full body shape is visible.
The big thing that is demonstrated here is skylining. Your back drop is most important when in camouflage. Look st the backdrop of where youre hunting, and then try to match it. Or just wear a buffalo plad jacket. They all work. With whitetails though, scent, noise and movement are magnatudes more important than camoflage.
I've found that VINTAGE DUCK 🦆 CAMO is the best camo in every setting and it fools ducks eyes very well and it also fools a deers vision aswell, it blends and breaks up your outline and makes deer look right through you from my 30years experience wearing vintage duck camo ... it blends , spring , summer, fall & winter ! Im sure it will work well for turkey hunting or anything you hunt if you want concealment & camouflage...
It was an odd realization. The backlite sky really blobbed everything out. btw - Do you have any questions for Eddie Claypool? He has agreed to start helping me with some How To episodes on the Channel. You can google him and look up all his records in Pope and Young. More Info on my community page. www.youtube.com/@CamoMatrix/community
Be careful of what you wash whatever you wear with [steer clear of blue, yellow, white] invest in uv killer, get a black light... always try to be in a back drop... the nose is the hardest to beat... not taking away from movement, or hearing.
@@undeserved1781 Give my UV video's a watch: How to test for UV th-cam.com/video/iUNNdLRP3F8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=EHBwmSvgNwJeAzO4 Do UV Killers work: th-cam.com/video/BmvcmQlyRWs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=wL4uSqzBAGQTMsuY
I am a novice hunter, and you confirmed what I witnessed one time I was in a tree. I watched a small deer from a tree for several minutes. The deer busted me after moving its head side to side many times. It was really interesting. I figured that since they see motion well, they kinda created motion by moving the head around.
Usually that head bob means you are busted. They are looking at and around you to try and make out what you are since your shape isn’t something they normally see in the space you are occupying. If they do stay around you it is either a buck that won’t live to long or they are so hyper focused on food or breeding. The bob helps them look at you from different angles for threat assessment and it may also be used to try and get you to move.
All of the camo you presented still produces a distinct human silhouette when backlit, or on the ground. The ghillie suit is probably the best for breaking up the human outline. However, there is always a shadow side to the human silhouette, and no mater what camo you are using, it is always pronounced as demonstrated in this video. In other words, no matter what camo you are using, it did nothing to truly camouflage you. But I really noticed something at 4:31 with the blaze orange. It is in the same deer color spectrum of the surrounding leaves. If you were wearing camo with big blobs of Blaze orange it would completely mask the human silhouette and you would naturally blend into the background. In this video, your upper body is less pronounced, but your legs still stand out. Not sure how a deer would read into that. I think I'm going to sew a bunch of blaze orange swatches to my hunting gear. Be careful if you use a ghillie suit or any other camo that makes you look like a bear to other hunters. Good luck and good hunting.
Yes, that blaze orange makes you think, but hold tight before you start modifying your camo. I will be shooting more like this now that hunting season is over and my freezer is full.
I do mount my stands early and let them get used to them. Of course a freshly mounted stand by itself this close to the ground may be noticed. I have heard of some guys putting dummies in their stands in the offseason.
You look as if you could be part of the tree, until you moved. Also maybe camo the edges of the stand with branches or leaves as that really sticks out.
Maybe it's just me, but if the color filter on the camera was accurate to a deer's vision, the blaze orange was the best camo. Blended in almost perfectly to the surrounding leaves, even with being back lit. Add a few black patches and stripes and you would have looked like another branch full of leaves.
I'm seventy-two and choose to spend more time on the ground than in a tree these days. Interestingly, I'm spotted less often than when in a tree. Deer get closer before they notice me when on the ground, however, they react with greater intensity. When spotted in a tree, deer notice you but will often get over it as long as they don't see you move. I actually enjoy ground hunting better but find that I am less patient.
I can agree to that. I like to hunt from the ground, the tree and still hunt(my favorite). I will be doing the same thing from the ground in the near future. Thanks for watching!
You know what you don’t see? Is someone making camo that resembles the pov from the deers view looking up. You can always walk in with full camo or camo/orange and take it off once you are there, but the. You have a pattern that actually blends the sky and under color of leaves, all are camo is simulated to hide us at ground level, not from hight! Last time I look up through the trees I don’t remember seeing what’s below me!
Awesome video. Thanks! Perhaps next time consider walking 360° around the tree to give us a better idea of the camo’s performance while being lit by the sun from all angles. Your example only gives an 90° reference which spends most of the time with the camo pattern, you, and the tree being back lit by the sun, which leaves you being pretty much a black blob. Back lighting from the sun is going to give that appearance 100% of the time to 100% of camo. The 360° reference would at least give true camo performance while being lit by the sun. A video done with 100% cloud cover might give a totally different Camo performance too. Food for thought if nothing else! Thanks for the hard work, I appreciate it. Kevin
Back when I started hunting in the mid 70's we washed (for bow season) gray '/dark gray sweat pants/shirt in baking soda AFTER we "tree barked" the suit with black sharpie in mid to large shapes, so that the lines would break up outline. We "copied" the company called "Tree Bark" I believe. Seems the modern patterns are made for "human eyes" and it doesn't matter what brand you use - it is all going to look like a blob. I'm guessing a good blaze orange with "tree bark" camo would be great to use for bow hunting so - buy some good Blaze Orange without UV brighteners and get you a good fat Sharpie and you are good to go! Anyone here old enough to remember the "Gray Tree Bark" camo line?
I have an old bow case in than camo! I like when people make their own for their environment. Blobbing is a problem that many mimicry patterns have. All will blob out in a tree it seems. I have tried from different angles with my experiments and no matter the angle, background… blob
I do it was one of my favorite patterns I really wish they would bring it back but I think realtree destroyed the copyright so that no one could use it
I Hunt in a blind now,so I totally go black,I place . my blaze orange on top of my blind ( during gun season) Other wise I put one hankerchief size orange cloth on top of my blind during bow season,just to be safer.But you must try to move in slow mo.I am 70 now so everything is in slow mo.lol
My uncle is 83 and still getting it done. Stopped treestand hunting a few years ago and started building box blinds. Fills the freezer and then some each year. Keep it going!
@CamoMatrix hats off to him ,that's great at 83,I pray I am still able at his age..But at 70 I walk over 6 miles a day ,work 50 hours a week still.Hunt ,fish,and a 30 year cancer survivor. THE KEY,trust God, keep the body moving,and the mind,and pray.
The biggest giveaway, at least to my eyesight, is weird shape you make while standing there. Saddle hunting may have the advantage in thst sense because of the more natural looking angle when you are leaning
Funny thing is that deer know every tree, stump bush and Rock in their territory and if something is out of place they see it so without something to break up your silhouette they can peg you, not as much from elevation but on the ground.
If you watch the deer walking, they're not looking up nearly as much as your camera was. It's also looking around a lot more. So your videos are almost worst-case. But still they're not going to pick up on you if you're still. On the other hand, as others in the comments point out, they know their area well, and spot new things. I put out a stand dummy all season on my favorite ladderstand. It seems to really work, and I can see why - there's always a big blob there. A little smaller blob (me) looks completely normal.
That is a good idea about the stand dummy. The other issue is we are looking at this in a framed video where the deer see in 300degrees. We also tried doing the head bob they do when figuring out what something is and it didnt work very well.
I make sure they never see me. With my setup and approach to my blind, I can get in and out without spooking the deer off of my food plot. And success is not even a question, but patience may be. Btw, I don't wear camo in the blind. I wear a black shirt and plain green cargo pants. I've got 3 nice bucks on the wall from this setup in the last 3 years and have some shooters on camera this year, but I'm running out of wall space.
34 years of hunting and in my opinion browns of different shades is the best. Brown is chameleon in color. A deer in a field looks almost tan, in the forest really dark. ASAT camo I like the best. You are just trying to break up your outline. Good luck Everyone this season
That is great advice! Most predators are a single shade also. I think we have to try harder because that bipedal human shape makes it hard to move when we are close to the ground and we are easy to see shape wise. ASAT is a good one.
This really shows how nearly all camo just turns to big blobs at the distance deer would be. It was great to see how the blaze orange performed!
Yes. A big macro orange and brown pattern might be the way to go. It always comes down to what you like, quality of functional design, fabric engineering and what you can afford More like this coming.
ive been wearing a massive blaze orange jacket my entire life for rifle season, glad to know ive always been so well disguised @@CamoMatrix
Just don't let any bigfoot hunter see you in that ghillie suit...
@@renatoduchene8525 I thought the same thing
I have to say, the orange vest looked the best, that was very surprising. Screams to us, but just looks part of the leaves in peripheral vision.... thanks, man.
looks the best with color compared to leaves not trees but the bad thing is its mainly used in rifle season which almost in every state no leaves are still on the trees, obvious for safety just saying its decent in this scenario but not the most common one
What a deer really see most is movement. Decent camo pattern is fine but remaining still is key,
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That’s the hard part after hours sitting you making one move and busted buy me
One of the reasons I love hunting from a saddle, ive had mature deer look directly at me and I believe they think im just another limb coming off the tree. great video man
I think that is on of the saddle advantages over a fixed treestand. I am talking with Eddie Claypool this weekend for the Channel (letting him answer Q's about hunting) and he uses fixed stands but puts them in very non-tradition locations so he can be comfortable for all day sits but concealed.
@@CamoMatrix awesome!
@@CamoMatrix I hunt saddle and climber. IMHO,…they are tools and each has its benefits. I try to place the climber, so that it is not out in the open…ideally, with overhanging or nearby limbs.
@@VABigRing i hear ya. I am going to try and redo this one so we can talk about better placement and concealment versus a just deer vision video.
I hunt the ground with a recurve and have shot several mature bucks at 10-12 yards...
I gurantee certain camo patterns work better than others !!!
The old school tree bark camo dominates everything from mature bucks to mature gobblers at spitting distance from ground level...
This is speaking from alot of experience and many harvested bucks and gobblers with a recurve or longbow
I can't believe how well the orange blended into the leaves behind you. Such a great and informative video. Thanks for sharing this!
The foliage really helped with that orange and backlighting.
I really like this simulation, I think you did a really good job on it, it also shows how a lot of camouflage tends to blob at distance and you can’t really see the pattern, good stuff 👍
Agreed
Thanks so much. It turned out pretty good. I will try some variations with the format and hope to improve.
When you look up into the trees,particularly during late fall ,you see quite a bit of sky through the branches and leaves..having a camo pattern interlaced with white/Grey is you best bet..all my ladder stands have tarp/burlap around them, blocks my lower body movements ,and I paint em with lines/ slashes/blobs of white/grey..blends in with my background and takes away the dark blob of my stand
My father in law wore a complete blaze orange camouflage suit religiously when hunting. He had deer step over his legs when sitting on the ground under a tree. Crazy!
Thats up close!
How'd they not smell em? That's awesome!
That never happened
Awesome video. That answers some of the questions I believe every hunter has ever had
I am working on another one that should be better and tackle all the comments and questions from this video.
Great job! Best video yet. I always wish more youtube hunters would show their setups from the ground. Cant wait to see more.
Thanks! More coming, I just have to convince my deer to hold the camera again.
That blaze orange was nice to see it turn yellow like those leaves on the tree
It was an interesting experiment
Awesome video! This experiment is very helpful and unique. Would love to see a similar video with a tree stand higher or tucked into good cover.
Yes, higher would be more realistic for most guys. I may do a saddle also (maybe leaning away it just looks “big branch” like).
I was only about 12 feet off the ground to do out best with the limitations of the camera view.
More to come
Thanks - that was a lot of work! It's crazy how well the blaze orange melts into the leaf canopy. Your video reinforces what they always say - your camo isn't as important as not being busted moving and hunting the wind (scent control).
Yes, I was soaking wet after the trips up the tree, outfit changes and the humidity.
More like this will be on the way with different light and season changes.
Orange was way better then expected especially with the sky back drop.
Really impressed with the lengths that you went to on this video. I was stunned when you used the orange vest!!! I will share this video on my Facebook group. Keep up the great work.
Brilliant idea you came up with. I think it's more realistic than the showdown vids, however I loved those too. I appreciate your effort and time you put in making this one. The backlit angle shows that no matter what you put on you'll always be a black silhouette to the deer. The blazing orange, 3d leafy and Ghillie suits worked best, I reckon. I'm curious how the front lit view would show the real difference between different camos. If you ever planned to do it again could you also test ASAT along with other patterns of your choice?
That's a massive job you're already doing, mate. Seriously, the Camo brands should be paying you money for what you do for them. Not kidding! Cheers
I do plan on doing shooting this again with the sun on the opposite side and as the season and foliage changes.
Yes, ASAT, VuniGear and possibly Kuiu Verde might be a good performer with the backlit set up. When I started hunting and was getting advice from old school hunters (guys now in their late 70's and early 80's who hunted before all these camo choices - who STILL HUNT BTW), they would say, pick a spot that is down wind and puts the light in their eyes. Of course, I can never convince a deer to follow the path I selected for them to take. I try with hinge cuts and cut trees, etc, but sometimes, that camo is going to need to help!
Your silhouette is more of a giveaway than anything always have trees behind you
Snow camo works well if there's not much back cover.
I will try that some time in the future.
Well, keep in mind some blaze orange fluoresces under UV, which means deer can see it easily. Movement is of utmost concern still (punny I know) but I have found two blaze orange hats of mine that don't glow under UV light. One is no longer made, other was a wool cap from First Light if I recall. Check your threads under UV!
Really good stuff. Confirms to me that I need to lean into the tree as much as possible. Totally seems to help hide your silhouette
Yes, that blob, no matter what camo, is a dead give-away. I will do it again with the light in me sometime soon.
@@CamoMatrix respect for what your doing. I honestly think it’s the most cutting edge tool to have an idea how deer see. This levels new project even levels it up. We don’t and won’t truly understand how deer see exactly but I bet what you’ve created is pretty close
Yeah, i was working on creating a color spectrum that matched the classic conditioning study done by the U of Georgia some years ago but the deuteranopia filter i am using is very close to their explanation (with the exception that “some green” was seen by deer in the study. As I work on more of these, I hope to improve both my hunting tactics for concealment, and many others out there supporting wild world we all enjoy.
This seemed very scientific. Thank you. It looked like alot of work.
I love all of your videos you do great work. Up in the stand I honestly thought the best one was the Blaze Orange. Go figure LOL.
That color variation of the vest and pants hid the human shape. See3D has a blaze leafy suit would be deadly. If one were to have a blaze orange with black pattern it might look invisible.
His legs stood out he should of wore blaze orange pants then they be like where did he go😂 but agree it blended the best
👍🏻 Thanks for putting in all that effort!
These are a funs one to put together. I tried a spring green too th-cam.com/video/QGIiq1Hp-KA/w-d-xo.html
Great effort, we all appreciate the time you put into these Deer Vision Videos. Hunters are spending their money on Camo based on Cool instead of effectiveness. Each Brand has it's Hype and advertising. These vids help make better and more cost effective purchasing.
Thanks! That is the goal!
I was looking for videos like this. Thanks. Seeing how dark the camp looks I’m curious about some of the winter snow type camo. Can u do one with Strata, scentlok vertigo, and terra gila with out green leaves? I’m curious about late season too when the leaves drop.
I will be doing a late season one soon
This is awesome! As a new hunter this helps tremendously
For deer vision, Having good foreground and background cover is key. Stick close to the trunk if you can or pick a cluster of trees. Otherwise, you will likely stand out and be a dark blob in the sky
@ much appreciated! I will!
I hunt elk , deer and moose in flannel jackets and commercial fishing rain gear for wet days . I learned a long time ago that it’s movement or standing in the open that gets you busted ( second to wind of course ) . Always stop by a tree or some structure , keep the wind in your face and you will be fine .
Very true!
You should look into some research Missouri State did in regards to deer, one study being their vision.
Completely different than ours, movement is key, they view it almost in slow motion (processing speed is fast). They have a super wide angle view, which is ALL in focus (don’t have to “look” at a specific object to make it out), however depth perception is limited (hence head movement), BUT limited visibility overhead since they didn’t evolve being hunted from the air.
Also, colors, specifically in regards to camo, they see BLUE and WHITE EXTREMELY WELL. White reflects all colors, blue is the primary color at night - which they see 18x better at night than we do.
I will check on that one. I based my filter on the univ of tenn/georgia study. It is had to really capture that 300 degree view on a flat screen but i will try to mesh what i can from both studies if possible.
@@CamoMatrixmy mistake, it was Dr. Karl Marx from Univ of Georgia, been looking at too many different studies and videos haha
@@robertlira9745 Yes you have.. Karl Marx would be a completely different study. You mean Karl Miller and Bradley Cohen. Yes, this deer vision is loosely based on that. I have heard Bradley Cohen say that deer have about 80/20 to 100/20 vision, so I altered my filter based on that. I may try to brighten up blues looking forward but if the spectrum of blues they see is no visible to us, I am not sure I am really capturing it. I appreciate the comment and hope to keep improving.
I did do a video after Dr. Cohen's visit to Wired to Hunt. It is here: th-cam.com/video/OxO7PFoYmCE/w-d-xo.html
bunch of good links on the description and also a link to the study.
I own a few sets of FL Specter, but really like the Terra Overland. Thanks!
Ahh you should look out for my next video cast. Both of those patterns are mentioned.
Check out this one: Let me know our choice: th-cam.com/video/7A2DYSQWFZA/w-d-xo.html
I can't believe I haven't seen your channel before. I sent a question in to the Legend Eddy Claypool from your website link. Thanks for the opportunity. I really appreciate information like this. I really think the more open camo pattern like ASAT, Predator Fall Gray and Brown, FL's new Cerce, are the best for elevated treestand hunting. Something to break up the blob especially with the open sky background. As fall progresses and there is leaf fall, this becomes more and more critical. I've always said deer don't see blaze at all either. Seems like when I wear blaze during our firearms season they almost look right through you espeically if in a tree or on the ground with snow.
Thanks for submitting a question. I will ask your question to him and post the video on this channel. I will also email you the link when it is up.
I'd like to see this same test but in a stand with better back cover where the hunter isn't silhouetted against the skyline. Also, Sitka Evevated II camo would be a popular camo to add to this test.
I agree. The sky backlit needs to change. I will try to get elevated II also
Exactly. That’s why the orange “appeared” to work so well
I hunt from the ground using a recurve and i have harvested many mature bucks and gobblers at 15 yards and less...
I gurantee certain camo patterns work better than others.
After harvesting walls full of mature bucks and gobblers with a recurve from the ground I have found that the old school tree bark camo dominates everything else without question !!!
That is a good piece of information. You might be interested in Vengance Camo. It is a newer version of tree bark camo.
I know it's been a year, but I just now saw it come up in YT. Very good study....and well done. I would like to see one more outfit....a full suite of blaze orange with the black camo print. I think that would be the most concealed you could get. Anyway, I enjoyed the vid.
Thanks. I have some new ideas for this I will try this year.
I noticed all the straight lines on the stand platform. Decided pretty quickly to thread some saplings with leaves around the edges to help hide those straight lines. Doing that tomorrow in fact.
Well it helped some to remind you. Thanks!
I often cut a few leafy branches in early season and zip tie them to the platform. Helps.
This was fascinating!! As far as camo goes, you were right that with this setup it really didn’t matter…quiet and still are the best. I have a stand in a location similar to this. In my mind, I’m hoping that the deer will think that I’m a branch or fork in the tree.
Thanks, I have been planning this for a while and shot it twice trying to get it to look right. More will come like this one. I am considering using two cameras simultaneously to shoot the 300 degrees but still will be limited to squashing into the 120 degree view of the screen. It will show us both sides (what the deer is processing) and may be for an interesting watch. I am also going to to this at different times of the day and during different times of the year. I may need to set up a "dummy" location since I am using some of my real hunting locations and might be hurting my own tag punching chances.
That’s a great idea and probably for the best. Keep these up, I love the channel!
Best camo is stillness and be on the back side of the tree trunk.
Can you do the same demo in pine trees? Also, if you use a 360 camera you could edit it to 300* vision.
I will see what I can do. I have thought about how to capture the 300 degree vision but no matter what I do, we are still looking at it on a flat rectangle screen. I will keep experimenting.
Awesome info 👍 the orange really blended in with the green leaves. All Camo works great but I believe as long as u break ur body’s outline and sit still works the best. I really wanna try one of those gillie suits I love the close up action 😂. Thanks for this video and sharing the information 👍👍🇺🇸💯
Great job on this! As far as the treestand aspect goes all the camo looks the same. I believe you would need more macro to really make a difference. Im honestly in the mind set after all these videos that you buy what is comfortable and what you can afford.
That was a morning time video so the sun would have been lower in that prime time shooting window. I will need to do an afternoon version with the light on the opposite side so see if the camo is visible. But yeah, a big macro pattern may be the most effective in this situation if the color even shows. I almost think a macro brown and orange would be best.
I take natural vegetation,/ branches from my surrounding area and I attach them to my stands and tree that I’m in with paracord to cover me and I only have a small area open to shoot from and I very rarely get busted. Along with excellent scent control before leaving the house and entering the woods. Stay safe all, soot straight and good luck this season..
Awesome, a brush in is a great tactic!
I use old military camo bdus can you shed any light on that no pun intended
Which military pattern? Have you used my tools on the CamoMatrix.com i have a military version and on the MyBackground tool, you can upload your own background and place military camo on it.
Great video, it proves that the pattern of camo isn't all that important. I like that lock on stand you were using, what kind is it?
That one is the Game Winner EZ Set Oversize Hang-On Treestand - no arm rests but it is comfortable and easy to set up. the seat swings up so give you more standing space
I sit on the treeline against an open field. No concealment, just prone in the grass in standard camo overalls and a regular hat, long hair flying in the wind. The deer did not notice at all and walked all the way up within 10 yards of me even with camera gear and my rifle there.
Just like apex predator cats. They generally match the surrounding and stay in cover.
Very interesting and great information received. Thank you for sharing this. One question I have is how do we know what vision deer have and how they see?
Here is the video about how i creat deer vision. th-cam.com/video/OxO7PFoYmCE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=szMrddrD1RkNfz4c
A lot of hunters have the vision like your thumbnail pic. This is why wearing your orange is important ha.
Blurry and trigger happy
@@CamoMatrix "Shoot the bush and hope it's a turkey" comes to mind. That's actually one of the reasons I prefer archery season. Archers have to see their prey and know exactly where they will hit, so bright orange isn't needed because they know what they are looking at. Doesn't hurt to wear it, though.
I think a 30% blaze orange would work well. Something with a large leaf pattern.
That is a great idea.
What camo pattern would you recommend if my stand was in a in a pine tree and was nestled with cedar trees around it? The stand is well hidden with plenty of back drop to break up my outline. Shot would be about 25-30 yards.
There are quite a few. Look at asio for its owl cloak ability, or goat gear, huntworth vertek, killik summit, kryptek altitude, pnuma caza ov. There a quit a few. Have you used the camo matrix tool on CamoMatrix.com?
@@CamoMatrix no I haven't but I'll definitely check it out.
Wear snow camo in they air the look through you!
Not gonna lie, I couldnt stop laughing at the leave and Ghillie suits! They look like freaking bigfoots in the deer stands.
What blew me away was how the orange suit in deer vision, dissapeared into the leaves! Reminded me of a green screen effect. 🤯
I laugh every time I put it on.
I would like to see the same method applied to lighter based camo pattern like Scent-Lok Vertigo Grey, ASAT or Predator Fall Gray or even a snow camo of some sort. Cool video!!
Great suggestion! More are in the works
Camo is more effective at ground level vs in a tree in my opinion. Tree and back cover is more important elevated.
This is true. I will run this with the afternoon sun and see how it affects seeing the camo.
Amazing video thanks for doing this video
Thanks for watching. Hope to improve on this one.
I would like to see this demo with a ASAT 3d suit or a snow pattern. When i get busted wearing mine the deer will almost seem to look thru you, doing that head bob thing trying to figure it out.
I believe that head bob is their way of creating depth to determine how close the "unknown" is.
I would almost wear a complete Blaze Orange suit considering how well it blended into the leaves at the top of the tree.
I am going to get a blaze with black suit and reshoot this fall.
Try snow Camo in thatbtree
Cool idea for a video. I think I want a leafy suit now
Leafy suits are a good option. You can wear whatever you want to get where you want to go, then slip it on. Check out the guys at Quik Camo quikcamo.com/?ref=camomatrix
Excellent video thank you
thanks, I have some improved ones coming
Looked to me that the orange Really helped might start wearing all orange
If you have a bright green, it may blend in good because the orange and green will appear similar to them. If you are sitting in a darker environment, a patterned blaze from gamehide might be good
I live in NC & wear Realtree Edge camo mostly & past couple of years I’ve found that sneaking into your spot and setting up on ground can be more productive than trying to carry stands and set up and climb up a tree and get busted unknowingly before u even start hunting ! I like use natural ground cover and try to have front & back cover if possible but I’ve been thinking about the ghillie suit but I’m favoring the 3D leafy camo but don’t know what brand is the best bang for ya Buck … what brand 3D leafy suit is best budget for ground hunter with crossbow ?
Those ground set up can be killers. Being able to use the ground and surroundings as part of your cover is great. I killed my largest NC buck last year from the ground on a hillside nestled into a tree stump and some deadfall.
I have a ghillie and 3D suit. The ghillie will be the best but for any body movement, the 3D leafy will be easier and still provides great concealment (and packs much easier too) I wouldn't want to walk to my spot with either one.
Give the guys as Quick Camo a look. Good guys, small company and a bunch of options.
quikcamo.com/?ref=camomatrix
The blade orange worked better than all of the others in feet vision.
Why aren't there more blaze orange and safety green camo patterns available? Something that takes a good camo pattern and replaces the two lightest colors with those and retains the muted browns and greens for the darker colors -- with a UV treatment. It seems like it would be better than a huge field of orange for what it's worth but still very effective for standing out to other hunters.
I have worn a British desert camo jacket and pants during hunting season and I have had them walk right in to me on the ground and jump in surprise when I had to shoo them away. It was three mature does. Like they had a sense that I was there and they were looking around but just couldn't see me. Eventually I waved my arms and got them to move on but they were definitely acting as though they were struggling to see me or make out what I was.🤔 I would like to see it through this deer vision filter.👍
have you ever or would you if you havent, do a woodlands snow camo in a video like this in the tree stand?
In a snowy background?
@@CamoMatrix no sir just in a tree stand
I found you need to be careful how you wash your clothing, camo or not. Brighters in washing powders, I seen for my self, can make clothes’jump out’, especially at distance and low light.
Great info, thank you!
I have also found that if you buy UV brightened clothing this is water resistant, it cannot be corrected. Even with the UV killer sprays.
Very cool, gives me ideas for camo.
Seems like a head toe blaze orange with black leafy patterns on top of it would be invisible.
Insulated work pants and a green flannel, it is then. Thanks for saving me about $400. Love the quality of some of those brands but the cost-to-worth ratio isn’t nearly as good as just buying some carhartt and calling it a day
Ok, for what it's worth, i am a complete novice looking to get into the bow hunting hobby.
What i took away from your video is these points:
* IF you are in a tree and back-lit, then wearing the blaze orange is best.
* IF you are on the ground (preferably with at least a little cover) camo works just like it should.
The one thing i speculate on is this:
* IF I'm wearing blaze orange in a tree BUT there's dense dark foliage behind me (instead of being back-lit) does the blaze orange then make you stand out?
It seems the point of the color is to create negative space in the deers visible light spectrum, if that appears in a place it shouldn't- does it tip the deer off?
Food for thought and a comment for the algorithm, thank you for this video
The ideal set up is to have cover in front and behind you. The blaze orange could be in your favor, it could hurt you. It will also depend on the angle of your approach. Which you cannot predict most of the time (especially in the SouthEast). If you are backlit you will stand out but from other tests i have done, even a overcast sky, camo patterns are lost and the full body shape is visible.
The big thing that is demonstrated here is skylining. Your back drop is most important when in camouflage. Look st the backdrop of where youre hunting, and then try to match it. Or just wear a buffalo plad jacket. They all work.
With whitetails though, scent, noise and movement are magnatudes more important than camoflage.
I bet the natural gear blaze orange camp looks almost looks invisible in deer vision
This might be true
I've found that VINTAGE DUCK 🦆 CAMO is the best camo in every setting and it fools ducks eyes very well and it also fools a deers vision aswell, it blends and breaks up your outline and makes deer look right through you from my 30years experience wearing vintage duck camo ... it blends , spring , summer, fall & winter ! Im sure it will work well for turkey hunting or anything you hunt if you want concealment & camouflage...
Yes! That vintage duck pattern has good coloring and shape break up characteristics.
Man, i think that I need to invest in some Orange camo. The Orange vest by far blended in with the foliage the best.
It was an odd realization. The backlite sky really blobbed everything out. btw - Do you have any questions for Eddie Claypool? He has agreed to start helping me with some How To episodes on the Channel. You can google him and look up all his records in Pope and Young. More Info on my community page. www.youtube.com/@CamoMatrix/community
Be careful of what you wash whatever you wear with [steer clear of blue, yellow, white] invest in uv killer, get a black light... always try to be in a back drop... the nose is the hardest to beat... not taking away from movement, or hearing.
@@undeserved1781 Give my UV video's a watch:
How to test for UV
th-cam.com/video/iUNNdLRP3F8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=EHBwmSvgNwJeAzO4
Do UV Killers work:
th-cam.com/video/BmvcmQlyRWs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=wL4uSqzBAGQTMsuY
I am a novice hunter, and you confirmed what I witnessed one time I was in a tree.
I watched a small deer from a tree for several minutes.
The deer busted me after moving its head side to side many times. It was really interesting. I figured that since they see motion well, they kinda created motion by moving the head around.
Usually that head bob means you are busted. They are looking at and around you to try and make out what you are since your shape isn’t something they normally see in the space you are occupying. If they do stay around you it is either a buck that won’t live to long or they are so hyper focused on food or breeding.
The bob helps them look at you from different angles for threat assessment and it may also be used to try and get you to move.
It would be great to do a version of various camps from the ground and in early, mid, and late season.
I did a spring green up one on the ground earlier this year. Maybe a fall one similar to it. th-cam.com/video/QGIiq1Hp-KA/w-d-xo.html
All of the camo you presented still produces a distinct human silhouette when backlit, or on the ground. The ghillie suit is probably the best for breaking up the human outline. However, there is always a shadow side to the human silhouette, and no mater what camo you are using, it is always pronounced as demonstrated in this video. In other words, no matter what camo you are using, it did nothing to truly camouflage you. But I really noticed something at 4:31 with the blaze orange. It is in the same deer color spectrum of the surrounding leaves. If you were wearing camo with big blobs of Blaze orange it would completely mask the human silhouette and you would naturally blend into the background. In this video, your upper body is less pronounced, but your legs still stand out. Not sure how a deer would read into that. I think I'm going to sew a bunch of blaze orange swatches to my hunting gear. Be careful if you use a ghillie suit or any other camo that makes you look like a bear to other hunters. Good luck and good hunting.
Yes, that blaze orange makes you think, but hold tight before you start modifying your camo. I will be shooting more like this now that hunting season is over and my freezer is full.
In that stand... ASAT, Mossy Oak Elements Terra Gila, Predator, etc. work better.
Bigger patterns with more of Light to dark contrast.
I always look for a very high contrast camo. The origin raptor camo is great. The mossy oak camo looks the worst because there is no contrast.
Awesome job!
Thanks! I just did another one similar to this. Hope it sheds some light on how to use your camo, especially for spring turkey or early season
The stand stood out to me more than anything
I do mount my stands early and let them get used to them. Of course a freshly mounted stand by itself this close to the ground may be noticed. I have heard of some guys putting dummies in their stands in the offseason.
You look as if you could be part of the tree, until you moved. Also maybe camo the edges of the stand with branches or leaves as that really sticks out.
That goes to show movement is a big key. I always choose to move when the deer is moving.
My dad always wore orange camouflage coveralls. Nobody at camp not even me thought they made a difference. Looks like he was right
Maybe it's just me, but if the color filter on the camera was accurate to a deer's vision, the blaze orange was the best camo. Blended in almost perfectly to the surrounding leaves, even with being back lit. Add a few black patches and stripes and you would have looked like another branch full of leaves.
Great video.
I'm seventy-two and choose to spend more time on the ground than in a tree these days. Interestingly, I'm spotted less often than when in a tree. Deer get closer before they notice me when on the ground, however, they react with greater intensity. When spotted in a tree, deer notice you but will often get over it as long as they don't see you move. I actually enjoy ground hunting better but find that I am less patient.
I can agree to that. I like to hunt from the ground, the tree and still hunt(my favorite). I will be doing the same thing from the ground in the near future.
Thanks for watching!
Some guys swear by snow camo for in tree stands as crazy as that sounds.
The snow (white) acts like the blaze orange
You know what you don’t see? Is someone making camo that resembles the pov from the deers view looking up. You can always walk in with full camo or camo/orange and take it off once you are there, but the. You have a pattern that actually blends the sky and under color of leaves, all are camo is simulated to hide us at ground level, not from hight! Last time I look up through the trees I don’t remember seeing what’s below me!
Predator brown deception, my man! Trash on the ground, but invisible in a tree.
For me the 3D leafy and Ghillie suit were the worst the rest were fine. I shoot staying seated for the smallest amount of moving
Awesome video. Thanks! Perhaps next time consider walking 360° around the tree to give us a better idea of the camo’s performance while being lit by the sun from all angles. Your example only gives an 90° reference which spends most of the time with the camo pattern, you, and the tree being back lit by the sun, which leaves you being pretty much a black blob. Back lighting from the sun is going to give that appearance 100% of the time to 100% of camo. The 360° reference would at least give true camo performance while being lit by the sun. A video done with 100% cloud cover might give a totally different Camo performance too. Food for thought if nothing else! Thanks for the hard work, I appreciate it. Kevin
I will try when I redo it this year.
Back when I started hunting in the mid 70's we washed (for bow season) gray '/dark gray sweat pants/shirt in baking soda AFTER we "tree barked" the suit with black sharpie in mid to large shapes, so that the lines would break up outline. We "copied" the company called "Tree Bark" I believe. Seems the modern patterns are made for "human eyes" and it doesn't matter what brand you use - it is all going to look like a blob. I'm guessing a good blaze orange with "tree bark" camo would be great to use for bow hunting so - buy some good Blaze Orange without UV brighteners and get you a good fat Sharpie and you are good to go! Anyone here old enough to remember the "Gray Tree Bark" camo line?
I have an old bow case in than camo!
I like when people make their own for their environment. Blobbing is a problem that many mimicry patterns have. All will blob out in a tree it seems. I have tried from different angles with my experiments and no matter the angle, background… blob
I do it was one of my favorite patterns I really wish they would bring it back but I think realtree destroyed the copyright so that no one could use it
Gotta be up there 20 ft feet aren't looking up that high unless you make noise or move to much
I Hunt in a blind now,so I totally go black,I place .
my blaze orange on top of my blind ( during gun season) Other wise I put one hankerchief size orange cloth on top of my blind during bow season,just to be safer.But you must try to move in slow mo.I am 70 now so everything is in slow mo.lol
My uncle is 83 and still getting it done. Stopped treestand hunting a few years ago and started building box blinds. Fills the freezer and then some each year. Keep it going!
@CamoMatrix hats off to him ,that's great at 83,I pray I am still able at his age..But at 70 I walk over 6 miles a day ,work 50 hours a week still.Hunt ,fish,and a 30 year cancer survivor. THE KEY,trust God, keep the body moving,and the mind,and pray.
The biggest giveaway, at least to my eyesight, is weird shape you make while standing there. Saddle hunting may have the advantage in thst sense because of the more natural looking angle when you are leaning
Yes, saddle would make my body shape look like “y” in the tree.
So ideally you should wear an orange flame ghillie suit.
It looks that way. I am going to get a full blaze orange suite with black on it for the next one and see how well it performs.
See3D makes one.
Funny thing is that deer know every tree, stump bush and Rock in their territory and if something is out of place they see it so without something to break up your silhouette they can peg you, not as much from elevation but on the ground.
Yes, if you walked in your kitchen, and a deer was on top if your refrigerator, you may feel something is afoot!
@@CamoMatrix I would definitely look right at it 😄
Grandpa wore a red and black flannel and green wool pants. Shot deer every year took several elk and never wore camo.
The biggest factor in whether or not that deer comes by you is the wind. You could be invisible.. if the wind isn’t right, it doesn’t matter.
Very true. Stand placement can be key.
If you watch the deer walking, they're not looking up nearly as much as your camera was. It's also looking around a lot more. So your videos are almost worst-case. But still they're not going to pick up on you if you're still. On the other hand, as others in the comments point out, they know their area well, and spot new things. I put out a stand dummy all season on my favorite ladderstand. It seems to really work, and I can see why - there's always a big blob there. A little smaller blob (me) looks completely normal.
That is a good idea about the stand dummy. The other issue is we are looking at this in a framed video where the deer see in 300degrees. We also tried doing the head bob they do when figuring out what something is and it didnt work very well.
I make sure they never see me. With my setup and approach to my blind, I can get in and out without spooking the deer off of my food plot. And success is not even a question, but patience may be. Btw, I don't wear camo in the blind. I wear a black shirt and plain green cargo pants. I've got 3 nice bucks on the wall from this setup in the last 3 years and have some shooters on camera this year, but I'm running out of wall space.
Well a blaze orange leafy suit is the absolute best camo you can get
Great video. A harness would make a great addition.
I may try this with a harness (although changing patterns will be a chore)
Its all about background cover to break the silhouette
Very true. Some foreground too if you can.
34 years of hunting and in my opinion browns of different shades is the best. Brown is chameleon in color. A deer in a field looks almost tan, in the forest really dark. ASAT camo I like the best. You are just trying to break up your outline. Good luck Everyone this season
That is great advice! Most predators are a single shade also. I think we have to try harder because that bipedal human shape makes it hard to move when we are close to the ground and we are easy to see shape wise. ASAT is a good one.
@@CamoMatrix Nice video btw. As hunters we can never stop learning. These videos pacify me till I'm in stand. Thanks!
Thanks. I have some coming out with Eddie Claypool soon and we hope to harness his knowledge into some DIY hunting videos.
the main thing they pick out is not so much color but shape they know the human sillhouette well
Very true. Being still, quiet and good wind is key