Great video you answered all the questions I had on this model well actually the black one model 200990 I think they are the same. Are you sure when starting and stopping the generator with the remote that the generator doesn’t delay the power a few seconds while the Engine stabilizes? I have the champion 3500 watt remote start non inverter model it does that. If it doesn’t i may have to keep shopping. It will be used in the same manner you described in a generator shed permanent hooked to my camper. No way I can turn the breaker in the camper on and off every time I need power. Great video.
Thanks for the comments! You know, that's a good question. I've always used the breaker and never tested the actual output at the outlets during startup to see if it will in fact delay power. I'll do some testing and report back.
I called Champion Support and they confirmed there is in fact a delay before the panel is engergized, so no need to throw the breakers in the camper. Even better! Thanks MikeF, I learned something new today as well!
I am really happy with Champion. I returned a faulty Ryobi generator and bought a Champion instead. I went online and tried to order the high altitude jet and their website was having issues with my address so I emailed them. I got a response within a few hours and they said "Please send you shipping address and we will send you one courtesy". Now that's great customer service!
I was going to buy a 3500 (mainly b/c of DualFuel), but when I looked at the weight of the 4500, it was only 3 pounds difference and getting gas is easier than hunting down propane so I didn't feel I was losing anything by going with the gas unit. The remote start is a big plus for me. This model was less expensive and gives me all the power I need. Thanks for this video! It helped me choose this exact model!
I believe the amenity thing is called "working smarter, not harder". Man it’s so nice to find a quality video that’s to the point and so informative. Thank you very much! I have just purchased one of these and plan to get a second to run parallel on our RV (if/ when needed). Well done with the review sir!
Good work Mike. I’ve researched these dual fuel inverters for a couple of days and you’re the last video I watched before pulling the trigger. They’re so quiet and convenient!
Just a tip.....that EZ start dial is a combination of ignition switch, fuel switch, and starter button. If you turn the dial to the 2:00 clock position, this will cut the fuel off but not the ignition. That allows proper fuel draining of the carb. Frankly the dial was one feature I wanted to stay away from, but if it meets your requirements then that was the right choice.
My wife and I are researching generators for our RV, less than a minute after I watched this video she brought me her phone to read a specific review of this generator on Amazon, because it was very informative compared to most. 2 paragraphs in I thought this is odd, the phasing is too similar to the video I just watched. I realized it's the same guy, Minnesota Mike and UpNorth Mike. Thanks for being thorough Mike.
Thank you for a professional well done video. I went through a couple of the hack videos before I found this one. Your audio and presentation of the features are great.
Awesome, I have a champion and it's been almost 2 years since I bought it, it still working like new, I did replace the drain plug with a magnet one, this is a great video, thank's for sharing.
I didn't know that about the Predator. I just used this gen the other day for a quick job after it had been sitting for 3 months (91 non oxy gas with stabilizer) and it fired right up. Love this one!
Great video, very informative. I just bought one for my travel trailer. After test & trial I had to go remote start. I haven't used it yet so thats why Im looking to you tube.
Good morning Mike, enjoyed your video, I am an Electrician, I like the Champion enclosed generators. I am going to call Champion and see if they can make that generator with dual fuel and a 220v outlet as I live in the country and have a 220 volt well. This would be nice for me, so we'll see what we can do. Lp doesn't go bad like gas. Good video
Thank you, new to generator world, boondocks with a 5th wheel for the first time and just purchased this for my rig. Glad I ran across this video very helpful!!
This video was what convinced me to buy one of these. It will be nice for the RV for sure, the remote start is awesome. Just wish it had dual fuel and maybe a 220V option.
That was a great review. I am in the market and its between the Champion and the Westinghouse Igen. I am leaning towards the Champion. Looks sturdy and it has a pleasant tone. Thought I never needed the electric start but for an additional 125 bucks its well worth it.
I need mine for auto detailing this is why I wanna get something reliable and it’s taking forever to decide. Some customers don’t mind me using their electricity as well,so I’m debating on the eu3000is it’s just a lot of money: and they don’t last forever
Great video. By far the most helpful and informative I’ve seen on this generator. I have one question for you that wasn’t clear in the video. Is there a fuel shutoff on the generator that is easily accessible? Or, like the Honda, when you turn the dial to “off” does that shut the fuel off? I tend to prefer generators with a manual fuel shutoff.
Awesome review! But just an fyi...champion generators with remote start have a built in 15 second delay on startup before sending any electricity to the outlets. So there is no "ramp up" of power going to your electronics on startup.
I have 2 of these, neither take 15 seconds on remote start to make power. It's just a few seconds from starting to power with the remote. Maybe Champion changed the design?
You made a awesome helpful video we are going to start going off grid and our 34 ft RV travel trailer in the future we are definitely looking at purchasing one of these generators ❤️🙏
I bought 2 of these about 8 months ago. I ran one for a few minutes, then stored it in a un-insulated shed for 8 months in the Rockies. Picked them up last night from storage, 1.5 hr ride home to 8500' at about 0 degrees in the back of the truck. Started on the 3rd crank of 5 seconds. The battery holds it's charge, even at low temperatures and after 8 months of storage without a maintainer. It's a lithium battery, I wouldn't hook up a battery tender to it. Desulfate mode would likely harm it.
It's actually a lead acid battery. Lithium would likely not have started in that temperature. Most battery tenders don't have an automatic desulfate feature either, that is something a more advanced and feature packed unit would have.
@@upnorthmike6085Incorrect, It is lithium. I just removed one and am looking at it. "Skyrich hj01-16-gfp" The battery is lithium 12v 1.6ah 19.2 Wh. Weights about nothing, remove it and look for yourself. Do not use a lead acid tender charger like you recommend. It is not necessary (extremely low self discharge rate). Plus it Will damage the lithium battery, you might not see it immediately, but it will dramatically reduce its capacity and service life. After 8 months of storage in a seagoing container with no insulation at Granby Colorado, my champion 4500 started up last night at 0ﾟ. If this is not proof that you do not need a battery tender on your lithium battery, I don't know what will convince you. To properly charge these little batteries from depleted you need a balanced port which these do not have. Basically they're throw away if you overdischarge. Lithium does not like a deep discharge. Higher quality lithium powersports batteries have a balance port. I bet that there is a cheap low powered cell balancing board integrated into the skyrich hj01-16-gfp for this task. It might be able to cope with a slight amount of overcharging from a 12v 300mah trickle, but don't throw several amps at an over discharged one, slowly bring it up and cross your fingers and don't trust it again. Many $20-30 2 amp charger maintainers have a desulfate or similar mode now. Don't use a lead acid charger for lithium batteries. I can go into great detail why you shouldn't, but believe me there are special chargers for lithium batteries for a very good reason. Lithium starting batteries work just fine in cold temps. You wake upnthe battery with a few short cranks, but I have never found it necessary. A oem lithium battery also came in my 22 te50i dirtbike, starts cold soaked no problem. Oem lithium is becoming common, lead is dead technology. If lithium batteries don't work in the cold, you might want to tell that to huskavarna and your generator.
@@Dat_Sun I never said they don't work in the cold, they don't work as well in the cold. Which lithium type? LiFePO4 cannot be charged below freezing or you can damage the cells. My battery Tender brand supports SLA, gel and lithium where it auto senses and applies the appropriate charge. I don't leave mine plugged in 24/7 Instead, I rotate my chargers and top them off every month or so. As far as tech goes, I would argue lithium is great, but not for everything. LiFePO4 does in fact like deep discharge, which is why many folks use them for off grid energy storage. The safe charging temperatures though pose a challenge for many climates, including mine.
@@upnorthmike6085 You have an above avarage charger, but I bet it still doesn't balance the cells, so it's worthless for over discharged lithium. Life does discharge well under the correct conditions. But not these conditions, you Must be able to balance the cells. I know Shorai will not warranty over discharged "life" batteries. I over discharged one, charged it back, but it had extremely low capacity because the cells become out of balance, after these events the cells will under /over charge continually until failure. As for your comment on not working well in the cold, again you are incorrect. 8 months of sitting in storage and it fired right up after just 3 short cranks at zero degrees cold soaked. Had pump gas sitting in it as well, stabilized or engineered fuel would have resulted in a one crank start. Recap, your generator has a lithium battery. It doesn't need a charger unless you drain it. The original lithium battery will last over a year in standby and still start without charging. Try taking a lead acid battery of the same speciation and see what happens in the same situation as my originally comment. Your smart charger can only determine overall voltage, not individual cells that are prone to damage from over or under charge states. It might appear to be working, but it's cooking cells and the bms circuitry.
@@upnorthmike6085 Many battery types will be damaged if charged rapidly while cold soaked. A slow charge current generates heat from the cold cell's high resistance, as this resistance heat warms the cell, resistance drops and things get better. To correct the statement, fast charging a cold life cell can damage it. Care must be taken to charge just about any freezing cold battery cell, many li-xx chargers have a cold weather mode (slowly ramps up current).
Just picked up 4650 with remote at Home Depot. Paid $799 on 6/26, a weekend special apparently. Opened up box well packaged, read instructions, watched this video ready to fuel up and start her up! Other videos vary on break-in procedure. What is your opinion? Thanks
Thanks for the review I am going to go to Arizona and live full time in my RV trailer I am buying this until to run my air conditioner thanks 🙏 buying at tractor and trailer store it’s for $399.99 and $89.09 for two years warranty
Thank you, very helpful and clearly explained. Does the unit keep the battery charged? I am going to order one of these units. We had a lot of power outages out west so fr this year, fires this summer and winter snow knocking out power.
I purchased the 4500w gen, thanks for the video. ,I had to go back to your video to see if your eco mode is activated once turned on...as I noticed mine does as well, which is odd. I always thought they start off in normal mode.
Thanks very much up-north MN Mike!! I also need cold starts, so glad to see someone test it cold and with automatic choke. I have been frowning on auto choke, something else to go wrong. But your comment on using less fuel by turning it off and on more frequently with a remote, rather than hassle of going out in the whatever weather, that makes much sense. Might save a person the odd chance of being zapped by lightning. How DC inverter works, I was surmising it generates DC and the electronic wizardry box converts that to the clean AC sine wave??? You or anyone definitive on such?? I also appreciate your idea of flipping off the load in the house or camper-trailer, starting it up, let it warm up a few minutes, then start adding loads. 20+ years hassling with car gas and draining carb and adding stabil, I’m looking forward to just propane. No camper here, just 120v emergency backup of necessary things. Exercise it at least every 3 months. Thanks again. Give us a vid of really cold overnight and just the remote auto-start sometime. Seems natural to be skeptical of an auto-choke. But I read or saw video that propane doesn’t use choke anyway??
I don't have the propane model, but I can say the auto choke hasn't failed me yet. I have gone through 3 start attempts once when it was really cold, but it would always fire with 91 non-oxy gasoline. The inverter does convert AC, to DC then back to clean AC. I like this for my camper and when I'm using my laptop with it. Most tools, heaters etc don't need the pure sine wave power.
@@upnorthmike6085 Thanks for additional good input. Modern world, delicate electronic circuitry, I cannot seem to get comfortable with a newish furnace’s electronic controls and non-inverter power, there could be sensitive IC’s there. Back when, I recall country place with a narrow 3 1/2” submersible well pump special ordered from Denmark?, to squeeze into a well casing just 4” diameter. I never forgot from 25 years ago, the pump instruction booklet said something about “sensitive electronic control circuitry inside the pump”, (not more easily accessible up top), “Never use an emergency generator to power pump”. That was long enough ago, I suspect was before DC inverters were around or big enough for 240V operation?? Too many words, I apologize, and thanks for your time. MN up north, beautiful. The woods, the much less winter winds due to the deep woods. Especially love North Shore Big Lake Superior, big waves crashing, ocean going ships cruising by, it’s like traveling to an ocean embedded at the very interior of USA/Canada. Driving from Duluth into Canada. A grand vacation!!
if you have to be outside in front of the unit to turn the battery switch on what's the purpose of having a remote start ? Unless after the first start of the day or after refill you leave the battery switch on during the day because the battery is charging during unit operation. Let me know your thougts. EXCELLENT VID !!!!!
If you were to leave the battery switch on all the time it would create just enough of a draw to eventually drain the battery. however once you flip the battery switch on the receiver for the remote stays active for 12 hours so as long as you were to use the remote within 12 hours it will start with the remote just fine. That 12 hour timer resets every time you turn on or off the engine with the remote start.
Awesome video but do you think you can make another one with a cold start using the remote just to see how The keyless automation worksThat would be sweet
Where is the fuel shut off valve?? I've searched online and read the manual and there is mention of running it until it is out of fuel for storage, but no mention of where or if there is even a fuel shut off valve. Thanks!
@@keithfransens9436 I ordered one from Walmart and FedEx lost the package. By the time I went to order another they were on back order again so I ended up with the Westinghouse generator. These review guys seem to just want to pump out "initial unboxing and test" videos with no other info
Does the remote work if you cant see the unit but within the range? Like if I’m in the camper and I have that in the bed of my truck will the remote still work? I really wish that they also made this able to run on propane. Seems like the have the exact model w o the remote but duel fuel. And one more step - the Honda eu2200i have an app you connect to the unit and can see RPM / draw and other great live data while running.
The remote does not have to be in line of sight, as long as you are within that about 80 foot range or so. I start mine from inside the camper all the time and it works just fine.
Hopefully this video isn't too old for a reply. Let's say you have a stone cold dead battery and have to use the pull start. How does one activate the choke since it is electric? Thanks
Can you get into more of the battery connection, I have one of these and plan on using one for dry camping in July...I need to make sure I have A/C when I need it. I have already filled it with oil that it was provided too...should I have more oil on hand? What do you prefer btw...gasoline or propane?
That method does not actually work. The only way to drain the fuel out of the carb is to drain the fuel out of the carb. Running the unit with the fuel valve shut off does not completely drain the fuel out of the carb. If you plan on not using the unit for extended periods of time and do not use rec fuel and do not use a stabilizer, you should drain the carb, fuel lines, and fuel tank for storage. If you use rec fuel and a stabilizer and crank up the unit for 30 minutes at least every 45-60 days, you will basically never have an issue due to fuel. Do not put more fuel in the tank than you can use in a year. If you still have fuel in the fuel tank when the year is up, run the unit until the fuel is gone (also a good time to change the oil if you did not already need to do it on run hours) or drain it and discard. Go buy fresh rec fuel, add stabilizer, and fill it up to a year's worth. Repeat every year. I've been doing this for decades. Never had a fuel or oil related issue on several dozen small engines I have owned through out the years. You can listen to this advice or not. I have learned my lessons the hard way. Hopefully you won't.
Quick question I just bought the same model shows that we have to remove the nuts on the bottom but I see 8 nuts which ones should I be removed 4 of them are regular nuts the other 4 have a little Orange plate which one should I remove
Check the manual, they give a quick reference manual that says which specific shipping nuts to remove. This will allow the engine to "float" on the rubber pads for dampening.
Feeling much better about ordering this. Do you know if there's any way I can plug the generator into a big battery and have that buffer the load so it doesn't waste gas? Seems like there should be a maximum efficiency level of the generator and the battery could automatically start and stop the generator at specified battery levels.
It will time out after 12 hours of no use so the remote wouldn't work being on that long anyway. It does draw a very small amount of power in the on/standby mode as it is actively listening for that remote signal.
That’s the same body as the Wen 3800. Control panel is different. Wen has fuel shut off but not remote start. Display equally dim, my only complaint right now
Is the dial you turn that gives you a green light actually a fuel valve? Can you leave it "on", say, overnight, so you can start it in the morning without having to turn it on again? Also, without the pig-tail you connected to the battery, how do you charge the battery?
Yes you can leave it on for 12 hours and the remote start will stay active. Over 12 hours and the remote start feature times out to save the battery. The pig tail connects to an aftermarket "battery tender" available just about anywhere
I think u left out some small details such as how many gallon it hold , run time , it that a fuel gouge by fuel cap , dose it have a fuel shut off when being transported so fuel don't get in oil , vie used champion on my semi truck as a power source in past and if I didn't shut fuel off some how I has gas in oil made the unit run bed until I changed oil , I now use predator 3500 that has no fuel shut wile being transported I had no issues but now like to buy a new unit for camping now champion has new models the remote. Was nice to use they had them on their older models, predator 3500 dose not, I also looked at Cummins onan a rebrand of westinghouse same model but 1100 bucks I think champion generators always been fair priced lots of different models first to offer the remote your model comes in black I think that's the one I get
Nice~! and this one has the parallel connectors. I was hoping their larger units would have them. The Honda eu7000is is crazy expensive and CR said it was plagued with problems.
I think I've got four total generators, I know I have a problem, but this is by far my favorite. It's the perfect balance of power and function while still being fuel efficient and very quiet. I do use my big one for running the house if the power goes out but if I only had to run the fridges for a bit or the entire camper this is my go-to always. Yes this one for sure does have the parallel kit
Where did you buy this? I live in California and can’t seem to locate any. Looks great thanks for the video and information. Any help you can provide me with to find one would be great.
Nope, my remote was good to go out of the box. I think that pairing mode is if you lose the original and have to order a backup, that is how you can pair the new remote to your current gen
I’m glad I watched your old video on the 3500w that was the one I was thinking about getting. Now I like this one better. Do they make and auxiliary fuel tank for longer run times.
I don't think champion offers one but there's usually some online places that offer universal fit options. I personally don't have one so I can't comment on that directly but yes I am very happy with this one.
Every description I find of places selling it don’t list a remote in the box and I can’t find anywhere selling one. Did the remote actually come with it or did you buy somewhere else?
The remote comes with it. Watch the model numbers though, many units look identical but do not have the remote start option. Look at Champions website it's easier to compare on it.
I believe it came out 2 to 3 months ago possibly? I've used it around the shop just to test it out and finally got to use it camping last week and it worked awesome. No regrets at all
The westinghouse is junk, just everything about it, I just returned the one I bought 2 days ago and is why I'm here looking at this one... I strongly urge folks to stay away from anything from westinghouse, what really sucks, westinghouse is a U.S. company... I had the the westinghouse iGen4500 DF for 45 days and nothing but problems from the day it arrived... when it arrived it was damaged, I said no big deal I'll just call westinghouse and they would send me the parts to fix it, ABSOLUTELY NOT, they said they wood, but never did... when it arrived, the side access panel was cracked, the upper air box (it has 2 air boxes with filters, a upper and a lower) was broke, literally a hole in it and the carburetor had a hair line crack in it... I called them and they said they would ship me the parts and that I could use the generator until the parts came in because it did run, and ran pretty good, I just bought Q-bond and fixed the air box so it was air tight and didn't suck in absolutely no dust or dirt... by the way Q-bond is a awesome product, completely amazing, I didn't even need westinghouse to send me a new air box cover to be honest, like I said, amazing product... anyway, I called them a few times to see where the parts was at and the calls went from answering, to hanging up on me as soon as I said who I was to not answering at all... on day19 the Bush button start went out, on day 41 it started running up and down, up and down and throwing a lot of black soot out of the exhaust, the crack in the carburetor had finally failed and on day 43 the remote start went out... during all of this time I tried to call westinghouse probably 50 times with no answer, just absolutely ghosted... I had finally said enough was enough and called home depot, explained everything to them and they said this is typical with westinghouse and that UPS will be there tomorrow to pick the iGen4500 up and as soon as UPS got there and scan the Original box that it came in Home Depot would refund my total cost, and thats exactly what they did... Home Depot will forever be my go to place, I'll never shot anywhere else as long as they have whatever product I am looking for at said time... I forgot to mention how I would use friends and family members phones to make calls to westinghouse so westinghouse wouldn't recognize the number so they would answer, but every time I said who I was and why I was calling the phone went click, hung up on... do yourself a favor, stay away from Westinghouse, now if you don't believe my words, then buy something from them and see for yourself and report back so I can say "I told you so" lol... I was looking at Pulsar because they have all the same features as the iGen4500, but looked at comments on the BBB and about choked, I literally couldn't even believe what I was reading... I literally left the BBB page thinking I clicked on something wrong or it was a comedy skit page or something, but nope, they was actual complaints and actual responses from Pulsar to their customers... i urge you to go read those, I can bet money you have never seen anything like that...
@upnorth mike; I think you made a very good choice... I to bought Champion in the past and had to have warranty work done, but 1 phone call and Champion had me 1) parts on the way 2) a service center that was the closest to me... I will never buy anything other then Champion, never... the only reason I didn't buy this one here was because I really wanted the the features that westinghouse has on the iGen4500 DF, I won't ever make that mistake again lol...
We have used the th-cam.com/users/postUgkxOTeIs0vv4_9B5hsmnLsk9r930uDQLu_Y for probably 30 hours with our camper and it’s been great! The noise level is really only noticeable when running the AC and other appliances like the microwave, hair dryer, or coffee pot. It’s not huge like other ones and it has wheels so even at 90lbs, I can move it!
Looks like the 20 amp outlets have the ground leg on the bottom that’s how every single one I’ve ever used is. And the 30 amp has the ground to the top that is how a 30 amp rv cord works it has the ground at the end of the cord so it will hang down when connected in a generator like this. I have seen a few cheapo generators with a 30 amp lug with the ground down and that is backwards the cord has to be draped over the entire generator it looks ridiculous!
I work at a large semiconductor and all the 110 v recepticals are installed with the ground at the top....I was told that if anything conductive fell down the wall and the plug was not full engaged the thought was the first thing it would contact is the ground. Just what I was told. Have a good one.
@@upnorthmike6085 just all your videos are on champion products!! lol good thorough reviews though. I live just north of the cities figure I might need one after the chauvin trials verdict is read !!
@@brianloeffler2245 as I get some other products and tools I'll try to do some reviews on things I think people might enjoy. Either this year or next I'll get into some solar and battery storage too. Thanks
I did buy this on base on the reviews brought though cabas what my experience with this one would not call it good when I got it home I unbox it fill the Crank case with oil 20.3 the oil it came with fill it with gas I first read the manual before I did anything then I started it it ran for 4.5 hrs no load seam find I shut down for night was just breaking it in for the first oil change after that it never ran again it just keeps flooding out carb filter was full of gas call the tech support they were no help at all spent he on hold then took the call back option he later they call back tech just wanted to argue would not listen to me when I said it was flooding out spent 10 minutes trying to start it while the phone before he decided it would not start and I had gas running out the air filter said this was beyond him and would call back in 10 minutes will it been 10 days still no call back am looking for a local to repair it now
Great video you answered all the questions I had on this model well actually the black one model 200990 I think they are the same. Are you sure when starting and stopping the generator with the remote that the generator doesn’t delay the power a few seconds while the Engine stabilizes? I have the champion 3500 watt remote start non inverter model it does that. If it doesn’t i may have to keep shopping. It will be used in the same manner you described in a generator shed permanent hooked to my camper. No way I can turn the breaker in the camper on and off every time I need power. Great video.
Thanks for the comments! You know, that's a good question. I've always used the breaker and never tested the actual output at the outlets during startup to see if it will in fact delay power. I'll do some testing and report back.
I called Champion Support and they confirmed there is in fact a delay before the panel is engergized, so no need to throw the breakers in the camper. Even better! Thanks MikeF, I learned something new today as well!
Wow now that’s support thanks champion for chiming in. Ordering me one today, now hmmm yellow or black....
@Champion Power Equipment where can I buy this unit? I live in San Diego, California. Can’t seem to find one anywhere.
@@ccadetailing2793 Amazon has them
I am really happy with Champion. I returned a faulty Ryobi generator and bought a Champion instead. I went online and tried to order the high altitude jet and their website was having issues with my address so I emailed them. I got a response within a few hours and they said "Please send you shipping address and we will send you one courtesy". Now that's great customer service!
I was going to buy a 3500 (mainly b/c of DualFuel), but when I looked at the weight of the 4500, it was only 3 pounds difference and getting gas is easier than hunting down propane so I didn't feel I was losing anything by going with the gas unit. The remote start is a big plus for me. This model was less expensive and gives me all the power I need. Thanks for this video! It helped me choose this exact model!
I believe the amenity thing is called "working smarter, not harder". Man it’s so nice to find a quality video that’s to the point and so informative. Thank you very much! I have just purchased one of these and plan to get a second to run parallel on our RV (if/ when needed). Well done with the review sir!
Good work Mike. I’ve researched these dual fuel inverters for a couple of days and you’re the last video I watched before pulling the trigger. They’re so quiet and convenient!
Just a tip.....that EZ start dial is a combination of ignition switch, fuel switch, and starter button. If you turn the dial to the 2:00 clock position, this will cut the fuel off but not the ignition. That allows proper fuel draining of the carb. Frankly the dial was one feature I wanted to stay away from, but if it meets your requirements then that was the right choice.
My wife and I are researching generators for our RV, less than a minute after I watched this video she brought me her phone to read a specific review of this generator on Amazon, because it was very informative compared to most. 2 paragraphs in I thought this is odd, the phasing is too similar to the video I just watched. I realized it's the same guy, Minnesota Mike and UpNorth Mike. Thanks for being thorough Mike.
Thank you for a professional well done video. I went through a couple of the hack videos before I found this one. Your audio and presentation of the features are great.
You're welcome!
This video was very helpful and now I'm headed to Home Depot to buy me one for my Travel Trailer!
Awesome, I have a champion and it's been almost 2 years since I bought it, it still working like new, I did replace the drain plug with a magnet one, this is a great video, thank's for sharing.
With the Predator 5000 recalled and buggy, two years later this should still be the ticket.
I didn't know that about the Predator. I just used this gen the other day for a quick job after it had been sitting for 3 months (91 non oxy gas with stabilizer) and it fired right up. Love this one!
Great video, very informative. I just bought one for my travel trailer. After test & trial I had to go remote start. I haven't used it yet so thats why Im looking to you tube.
Good morning Mike, enjoyed your video, I am an Electrician, I like the Champion enclosed generators. I am going to call Champion and see if they can make that generator with dual fuel and a 220v outlet as I live in the country and have a 220 volt well. This would be nice for me, so we'll see what we can do. Lp doesn't go bad like gas. Good video
Great video, I’m at the moment looking for a generator for my sailboat and appreciate your walk around on this model.
Thank you, new to generator world, boondocks with a 5th wheel for the first time and just purchased this for my rig. Glad I ran across this video very helpful!!
Rig? As an 18 wheel truck driver?
This video was what convinced me to buy one of these. It will be nice for the RV for sure, the remote start is awesome. Just wish it had dual fuel and maybe a 220V option.
champion is the best for customer service
Walmart has this one for $768 is the must chip I found I just ordered because I saw you video thanks man!
Amazing thorough review! Couldn’t smash the like button harder!!! Thanks!!!!!
Thanks Dan, glad you found it helpful!
New to generators. Excellent video! Thank you!
That was a great review. I am in the market and its between the Champion and the Westinghouse Igen. I am leaning towards the Champion. Looks sturdy and it has a pleasant tone. Thought I never needed the electric start but for an additional 125 bucks its well worth it.
Im trying to decide between the same gens. Have you chosen one yet?
fister91cam me as well ; I can’t afford honda
Caught the wen 3800 for 650 last week at wen's website.
Had to pull the trigger.
No remote. But I'll live.
I need mine for auto detailing this is why I wanna get something reliable and it’s taking forever to decide. Some customers don’t mind me using their electricity as well,so I’m debating on the eu3000is it’s just a lot of money: and they don’t last forever
@@fister91cam I am going with the Champion. Guaranteed three years and I`m told good customer service.
Good video. I don’t particularly love the fact that you have to fiddle with the choke and Econ mode when you’re starting it.
Great video. By far the most helpful and informative I’ve seen on this generator. I have one question for you that wasn’t clear in the video. Is there a fuel shutoff on the generator that is easily accessible? Or, like the Honda, when you turn the dial to “off” does that shut the fuel off? I tend to prefer generators with a manual fuel shutoff.
Awesome review! But just an fyi...champion generators with remote start have a built in 15 second delay on startup before sending any electricity to the outlets. So there is no "ramp up" of power going to your electronics on startup.
I have 2 of these, neither take 15 seconds on remote start to make power. It's just a few seconds from starting to power with the remote. Maybe Champion changed the design?
GREAT VIDEO THANX!!!!! I JUST PURCHASED MINE HERE IN TEXAS 2DAY!!!
Me too, should be here July 7th.
@@rpe97 AWESOME!
You made a awesome helpful video we are going to start going off grid and our 34 ft RV travel trailer in the future we are definitely looking at purchasing one of these generators ❤️🙏
I bought 2 of these about 8 months ago. I ran one for a few minutes, then stored it in a un-insulated shed for 8 months in the Rockies.
Picked them up last night from storage, 1.5 hr ride home to 8500' at about 0 degrees in the back of the truck. Started on the 3rd crank of 5 seconds. The battery holds it's charge, even at low temperatures and after 8 months of storage without a maintainer.
It's a lithium battery, I wouldn't hook up a battery tender to it. Desulfate mode would likely harm it.
It's actually a lead acid battery. Lithium would likely not have started in that temperature. Most battery tenders don't have an automatic desulfate feature either, that is something a more advanced and feature packed unit would have.
@@upnorthmike6085Incorrect, It is lithium. I just removed one and am looking at it. "Skyrich hj01-16-gfp" The battery is lithium 12v 1.6ah 19.2 Wh. Weights about nothing, remove it and look for yourself.
Do not use a lead acid tender charger like you recommend. It is not necessary (extremely low self discharge rate). Plus it Will damage the lithium battery, you might not see it immediately, but it will dramatically reduce its capacity and service life.
After 8 months of storage in a seagoing container with no insulation at Granby Colorado, my champion 4500 started up last night at 0ﾟ. If this is not proof that you do not need a battery tender on your lithium battery, I don't know what will convince you.
To properly charge these little batteries from depleted you need a balanced port which these do not have. Basically they're throw away if you overdischarge. Lithium does not like a deep discharge. Higher quality lithium powersports batteries have a balance port. I bet that there is a cheap low powered cell balancing board integrated into the skyrich hj01-16-gfp for this task.
It might be able to cope with a slight amount of overcharging from a 12v 300mah trickle, but don't throw several amps at an over discharged one, slowly bring it up and cross your fingers and don't trust it again.
Many $20-30 2 amp charger maintainers have a desulfate or similar mode now. Don't use a lead acid charger for lithium batteries.
I can go into great detail why you shouldn't, but believe me there are special chargers for lithium batteries for a very good reason.
Lithium starting batteries work just fine in cold temps. You wake upnthe battery with a few short cranks, but I have never found it necessary.
A oem lithium battery also came in my 22 te50i dirtbike, starts cold soaked no problem. Oem lithium is becoming common, lead is dead technology.
If lithium batteries don't work in the cold, you might want to tell that to huskavarna and your generator.
@@Dat_Sun I never said they don't work in the cold, they don't work as well in the cold. Which lithium type? LiFePO4 cannot be charged below freezing or you can damage the cells. My battery Tender brand supports SLA, gel and lithium where it auto senses and applies the appropriate charge. I don't leave mine plugged in 24/7 Instead, I rotate my chargers and top them off every month or so.
As far as tech goes, I would argue lithium is great, but not for everything. LiFePO4 does in fact like deep discharge, which is why many folks use them for off grid energy storage. The safe charging temperatures though pose a challenge for many climates, including mine.
@@upnorthmike6085 You have an above avarage charger, but I bet it still doesn't balance the cells, so it's worthless for over discharged lithium.
Life does discharge well under the correct conditions. But not these conditions, you Must be able to balance the cells.
I know Shorai will not warranty over discharged "life" batteries. I over discharged one, charged it back, but it had extremely low capacity because the cells become out of balance, after these events the cells will under /over charge continually until failure.
As for your comment on not working well in the cold, again you are incorrect. 8 months of sitting in storage and it fired right up after just 3 short cranks at zero degrees cold soaked. Had pump gas sitting in it as well, stabilized or engineered fuel would have resulted in a one crank start.
Recap, your generator has a lithium battery. It doesn't need a charger unless you drain it. The original lithium battery will last over a year in standby and still start without charging.
Try taking a lead acid battery of the same speciation and see what happens in the same situation as my originally comment.
Your smart charger can only determine overall voltage, not individual cells that are prone to damage from over or under charge states. It might appear to be working, but it's cooking cells and the bms circuitry.
@@upnorthmike6085 Many battery types will be damaged if charged rapidly while cold soaked. A slow charge current generates heat from the cold cell's high resistance, as this resistance heat warms the cell, resistance drops and things get better.
To correct the statement, fast charging a cold life cell can damage it. Care must be taken to charge just about any freezing cold battery cell, many li-xx chargers have a cold weather mode (slowly ramps up current).
Just picked up 4650 with remote at Home Depot. Paid $799 on 6/26, a weekend special apparently. Opened up box well packaged, read instructions, watched this video ready to fuel up and start her up!
Other videos vary on break-in procedure.
What is your opinion?
Thanks
Great video! Direct and to the point! I just bought mine and you answered ally questions. Can you post a link for the trickle charge cord please?
Thanks for the video, just saw one today
Thanks for the review I am going to go to Arizona and live full time in my RV trailer I am buying this until to run my air conditioner thanks 🙏 buying at tractor and trailer store it’s for $399.99 and $89.09 for two years warranty
Thank you, very helpful and clearly explained. Does the unit keep the battery charged? I am going to order one of these units. We had a lot of power outages out west so fr this year, fires this summer and winter snow knocking out power.
With the trickle charger, the battery stays charged
@@upnorthmike6085 Can you let us know which trickle charger works for you or a link would be appreciated . thanks in advance
@@louie77what44 This is original and best; perfect size for a battery with this capacity: amzn.to/3NiPsYK
I purchased the 4500w gen, thanks for the video. ,I had to go back to your video to see if your eco mode is activated once turned on...as I noticed mine does as well, which is odd. I always thought they start off in normal mode.
Just got twe thaks for the Shar
Thanks very much up-north MN Mike!! I also need cold starts, so glad to see someone test it cold and with automatic choke. I have been frowning on auto choke, something else to go wrong. But your comment on using less fuel by turning it off and on more frequently with a remote, rather than hassle of going out in the whatever weather, that makes much sense. Might save a person the odd chance of being zapped by lightning. How DC inverter works, I was surmising it generates DC and the electronic wizardry box converts that to the clean AC sine wave??? You or anyone definitive on such?? I also appreciate your idea of flipping off the load in the house or camper-trailer, starting it up, let it warm up a few minutes, then start adding loads. 20+ years hassling with car gas and draining carb and adding stabil, I’m looking forward to just propane. No camper here, just 120v emergency backup of necessary things. Exercise it at least every 3 months. Thanks again. Give us a vid of really cold overnight and just the remote auto-start sometime. Seems natural to be skeptical of an auto-choke. But I read or saw video that propane doesn’t use choke anyway??
I don't have the propane model, but I can say the auto choke hasn't failed me yet. I have gone through 3 start attempts once when it was really cold, but it would always fire with 91 non-oxy gasoline. The inverter does convert AC, to DC then back to clean AC. I like this for my camper and when I'm using my laptop with it. Most tools, heaters etc don't need the pure sine wave power.
@@upnorthmike6085 Thanks for additional good input. Modern world, delicate electronic circuitry, I cannot seem to get comfortable with a newish furnace’s electronic controls and non-inverter power, there could be sensitive IC’s there. Back when, I recall country place with a narrow 3 1/2” submersible well pump special ordered from Denmark?, to squeeze into a well casing just 4” diameter. I never forgot from 25 years ago, the pump instruction booklet said something about “sensitive electronic control circuitry inside the pump”, (not more easily accessible up top), “Never use an emergency generator to power pump”. That was long enough ago, I suspect was before DC inverters were around or big enough for 240V operation?? Too many words, I apologize, and thanks for your time. MN up north, beautiful. The woods, the much less winter winds due to the deep woods. Especially love North Shore Big Lake Superior, big waves crashing, ocean going ships cruising by, it’s like traveling to an ocean embedded at the very interior of USA/Canada. Driving from Duluth into Canada. A grand vacation!!
if you have to be outside in front of the unit to turn the battery switch on what's the purpose of having a remote start ? Unless after the first start of the day or after refill you leave the battery switch on during the day because the battery is charging during unit operation. Let me know your thougts. EXCELLENT VID !!!!!
If you were to leave the battery switch on all the time it would create just enough of a draw to eventually drain the battery. however once you flip the battery switch on the receiver for the remote stays active for 12 hours so as long as you were to use the remote within 12 hours it will start with the remote just fine. That 12 hour timer resets every time you turn on or off the engine with the remote start.
Awesome video but do you think you can make another one with a cold start using the remote just to see how The keyless automation worksThat would be sweet
Thanks for sharing your video with us were did u get your Generator
Why does champion make a 4500 and a 4650? Which is the better buy?
Where is the fuel shut off valve??
I've searched online and read the manual and there is mention of running it until it is out of fuel for storage, but no mention of where or if there is even a fuel shut off valve.
Thanks!
I just got one of these, I have the same question…
@@keithfransens9436 I ordered one from Walmart and FedEx lost the package. By the time I went to order another they were on back order again so I ended up with the Westinghouse generator. These review guys seem to just want to pump out "initial unboxing and test" videos with no other info
Thank you for the video. Does it have a gas shut off valve for storage?
Does the remote work if you cant see the unit but within the range? Like if I’m in the camper and I have that in the bed of my truck will the remote still work? I really wish that they also made this able to run on propane. Seems like the have the exact model w o the remote but duel fuel. And one more step - the Honda eu2200i have an app you connect to the unit and can see RPM / draw and other great live data while running.
The remote does not have to be in line of sight, as long as you are within that about 80 foot range or so. I start mine from inside the camper all the time and it works just fine.
WOW, Looks like a WEN
Hopefully this video isn't too old for a reply.
Let's say you have a stone cold dead battery and have to use the pull start. How does one activate the choke since it is electric? Thanks
There is a manual choke button you can press on the front display panel!
Can you get into more of the battery connection, I have one of these and plan on using one for dry camping in July...I need to make sure I have A/C when I need it. I have already filled it with oil that it was provided too...should I have more oil on hand? What do you prefer btw...gasoline or propane?
How do you run the gas out of the carburetor when you shut it down or store it?
Thanks !!!!
How does this compare to the igen4500 westinghouse ? Other than the smaller fuel tank?
Can you shut the fuel off on these and let them run out of fuel?
I was wondering that myself! Very important feature!
Doesn’t appear to have the auto fuel shut off like the Wen 3800 watt gen
That method does not actually work. The only way to drain the fuel out of the carb is to drain the fuel out of the carb. Running the unit with the fuel valve shut off does not completely drain the fuel out of the carb. If you plan on not using the unit for extended periods of time and do not use rec fuel and do not use a stabilizer, you should drain the carb, fuel lines, and fuel tank for storage. If you use rec fuel and a stabilizer and crank up the unit for 30 minutes at least every 45-60 days, you will basically never have an issue due to fuel. Do not put more fuel in the tank than you can use in a year. If you still have fuel in the fuel tank when the year is up, run the unit until the fuel is gone (also a good time to change the oil if you did not already need to do it on run hours) or drain it and discard. Go buy fresh rec fuel, add stabilizer, and fill it up to a year's worth. Repeat every year. I've been doing this for decades. Never had a fuel or oil related issue on several dozen small engines I have owned through out the years. You can listen to this advice or not. I have learned my lessons the hard way. Hopefully you won't.
Quick question I just bought the same model shows that we have to remove the nuts on the bottom but I see 8 nuts which ones should I be removed 4 of them are regular nuts the other 4 have a little Orange plate which one should I remove
Check the manual, they give a quick reference manual that says which specific shipping nuts to remove. This will allow the engine to "float" on the rubber pads for dampening.
Does the power switch need to be on in order for the remote start to work?
Yes it does, otherwise the unit is always looking for a signal and would run the battery low over time.
Feeling much better about ordering this.
Do you know if there's any way I can plug the generator into a big battery and have that buffer the load so it doesn't waste gas? Seems like there should be a maximum efficiency level of the generator and the battery could automatically start and stop the generator at specified battery levels.
I have the 4650 manual start and mine will run 2 15k btu rv ac units as long as you have a hard start kit on both units and eco mode off
Does leaving the battery switch on & the ez dial set to on position using the remote start drain my battery ?
It will time out after 12 hours of no use so the remote wouldn't work being on that long anyway. It does draw a very small amount of power in the on/standby mode as it is actively listening for that remote signal.
That’s the same body as the Wen 3800. Control panel is different. Wen has fuel shut off but not remote start. Display equally dim, my only complaint right now
I was set for WEN, but the dual fuel one I was looking at did not have protective covers over the outlets, etc.
Is the dial you turn that gives you a green light actually a fuel valve? Can you leave it "on", say, overnight, so you can start it in the morning without having to turn it on again? Also, without the pig-tail you connected to the battery, how do you charge the battery?
Yes you can leave it on for 12 hours and the remote start will stay active. Over 12 hours and the remote start feature times out to save the battery. The pig tail connects to an aftermarket "battery tender" available just about anywhere
My biggest question that I have is will this generator fit under my TONNEAU COVER in my F150 pick up truck?
It fits under my cover in a 1500 Silverado
How many watts would I need to run a home ? Was thinking about getting a electrician to come out and do the converter box
Can you use this with a 50 amp camper?
How many hours will it safely run my air conditioner???
Nice job on the video. Thanks.
I think u left out some small details such as how many gallon it hold , run time , it that a fuel gouge by fuel cap , dose it have a fuel shut off when being transported so fuel don't get in oil , vie used champion on my semi truck as a power source in past and if I didn't shut fuel off some how I has gas in oil made the unit run bed until I changed oil , I now use predator 3500 that has no fuel shut wile being transported I had no issues but now like to buy a new unit for camping now champion has new models the remote. Was nice to use they had them on their older models, predator 3500 dose not, I also looked at Cummins onan a rebrand of westinghouse same model but 1100 bucks I think champion generators always been fair priced lots of different models first to offer the remote your model comes in black I think that's the one I get
Nice~! and this one has the parallel connectors. I was hoping their larger units would have them. The Honda eu7000is is crazy expensive and CR said it was plagued with problems.
I think I've got four total generators, I know I have a problem, but this is by far my favorite. It's the perfect balance of power and function while still being fuel efficient and very quiet. I do use my big one for running the house if the power goes out but if I only had to run the fridges for a bit or the entire camper this is my go-to always. Yes this one for sure does have the parallel kit
Where did you buy this? I live in California and can’t seem to locate any. Looks great thanks for the video and information. Any help you can provide me with to find one would be great.
Can this start and run without the battery connected?
UpNorth Mike, Great Video! Question on the remote. Don't you have to synchronize your remote (key fob) to the generator? Thanks Dennis
Nope, my remote was good to go out of the box. I think that pairing mode is if you lose the original and have to order a backup, that is how you can pair the new remote to your current gen
I’m glad I watched your old video on the 3500w that was the one I was thinking about getting. Now I like this one better. Do they make and auxiliary fuel tank for longer run times.
I don't think champion offers one but there's usually some online places that offer universal fit options. I personally don't have one so I can't comment on that directly but yes I am very happy with this one.
Excellent video, thank you
You mentioned it's 62 db. But I was wondering if you ever measured it with a load.
No I didn't. I imagine it would be slightly higher under load as would any generator.
Break in 1st hour ran good, now it runs for like 3 sec then turns off I empty all the oil and put new oil haven't had any luck with champion
Really? Mine runs like a top. Is your gas fresh? How is your oil level since it does have a low oil shutoff?
Anyone know if this has a fuel pump or is it gravity fed? For an extended run fuel cap.
What is the link to the generator, thanks
What's the difference between 4500 n 4650
The 4650 has a manual choke and does not have electric start. I'm sure it is lighter because of no battery and starter.
I discovered the 4650 is offered in both configurations, with or without electric start and remote.
@@massa-blasta yup, 200993 is the electric start version part#.
@@williamday1090 My 4650 has electric start .
As they say : Your actual mileage may vary .
Hi, does that generator come with a UK type G plug ?
No, it does not. You would have to supply that.
@@upnorthmike6085 okay thanks
Every description I find of places selling it don’t list a remote in the box and I can’t find anywhere selling one. Did the remote actually come with it or did you buy somewhere else?
The remote comes with it. Watch the model numbers though, many units look identical but do not have the remote start option. Look at Champions website it's easier to compare on it.
Good review. Found a few dislikes on the generator, so it's not for me. That's why reviews are nice.
Will this work in a food trailer? Also how do you recharge it for the next day?..new to generators...is it like a car ..just add gas?
Just add gas and stabilizer and no ethanol fuel if possible
Weight and Price?
When did this model come out? Hows it holding up?
I believe it came out 2 to 3 months ago possibly? I've used it around the shop just to test it out and finally got to use it camping last week and it worked awesome. No regrets at all
Great video, nicely done
Mine came with a broken part on carb. They don't have parts made yet! Anyone have one that they're parting out??
Good video thanks
Great video thanks!
why didn't you buy the Westinghouse igen4500?
I have several champion products and I'm very happy with the product and the company. This model also has everything that I need.
The westinghouse is junk, just everything about it, I just returned the one I bought 2 days ago and is why I'm here looking at this one... I strongly urge folks to stay away from anything from westinghouse, what really sucks, westinghouse is a U.S. company... I had the the westinghouse iGen4500 DF for 45 days and nothing but problems from the day it arrived... when it arrived it was damaged, I said no big deal I'll just call westinghouse and they would send me the parts to fix it, ABSOLUTELY NOT, they said they wood, but never did... when it arrived, the side access panel was cracked, the upper air box (it has 2 air boxes with filters, a upper and a lower) was broke, literally a hole in it and the carburetor had a hair line crack in it... I called them and they said they would ship me the parts and that I could use the generator until the parts came in because it did run, and ran pretty good, I just bought Q-bond and fixed the air box so it was air tight and didn't suck in absolutely no dust or dirt... by the way Q-bond is a awesome product, completely amazing, I didn't even need westinghouse to send me a new air box cover to be honest, like I said, amazing product... anyway, I called them a few times to see where the parts was at and the calls went from answering, to hanging up on me as soon as I said who I was to not answering at all... on day19 the Bush button start went out, on day 41 it started running up and down, up and down and throwing a lot of black soot out of the exhaust, the crack in the carburetor had finally failed and on day 43 the remote start went out... during all of this time I tried to call westinghouse probably 50 times with no answer, just absolutely ghosted... I had finally said enough was enough and called home depot, explained everything to them and they said this is typical with westinghouse and that UPS will be there tomorrow to pick the iGen4500 up and as soon as UPS got there and scan the Original box that it came in Home Depot would refund my total cost, and thats exactly what they did... Home Depot will forever be my go to place, I'll never shot anywhere else as long as they have whatever product I am looking for at said time... I forgot to mention how I would use friends and family members phones to make calls to westinghouse so westinghouse wouldn't recognize the number so they would answer, but every time I said who I was and why I was calling the phone went click, hung up on... do yourself a favor, stay away from Westinghouse, now if you don't believe my words, then buy something from them and see for yourself and report back so I can say "I told you so" lol... I was looking at Pulsar because they have all the same features as the iGen4500, but looked at comments on the BBB and about choked, I literally couldn't even believe what I was reading... I literally left the BBB page thinking I clicked on something wrong or it was a comedy skit page or something, but nope, they was actual complaints and actual responses from Pulsar to their customers... i urge you to go read those, I can bet money you have never seen anything like that...
@upnorth mike; I think you made a very good choice... I to bought Champion in the past and had to have warranty work done, but 1 phone call and Champion had me 1) parts on the way 2) a service center that was the closest to me... I will never buy anything other then Champion, never... the only reason I didn't buy this one here was because I really wanted the the features that westinghouse has on the iGen4500 DF, I won't ever make that mistake again lol...
Looks like the Wen 3800
We have used the th-cam.com/users/postUgkxOTeIs0vv4_9B5hsmnLsk9r930uDQLu_Y for probably 30 hours with our camper and it’s been great! The noise level is really only noticeable when running the AC and other appliances like the microwave, hair dryer, or coffee pot. It’s not huge like other ones and it has wheels so even at 90lbs, I can move it!
This comes built in with carry handles, wheels and a long wheel handle.
Why are all rv outlets allways upside down..
Looks like the 20 amp outlets have the ground leg on the bottom that’s how every single one I’ve ever used is. And the 30 amp has the ground to the top that is how a 30 amp rv cord works it has the ground at the end of the cord so it will hang down when connected in a generator like this. I have seen a few cheapo generators with a 30 amp lug with the ground down and that is backwards the cord has to be draped over the entire generator it looks ridiculous!
I work at a large semiconductor and all the 110 v recepticals are installed with the ground at the top....I was told that if anything conductive fell down the wall and the plug was not full engaged the thought was the first thing it would contact is the ground. Just what I was told. Have a good one.
The 30A receptacle on this generator is mounted with the correct side up.
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Just when I thought I was on top of the game (sighs) I just bought the dual fuel a month ago 🤦♂️
What did you buy?
@@paultheisen5290 champion 3500 dual fuel no remote start but, I can run off of propane for 14.5 hrs and gas 7.5
Hey Mike, Passing on some information, they do make kits you can get to convert the Champion 4500 watt generator, do some research on You Tube
To run on Lp, sorry forgot to proofread, "Paul from Iowa
you must be a champion dealer ?
Nope. But I do have a generator collection problem... I also have a DuroMax 10kw and a really old generac 2kw suitcase model.
@@upnorthmike6085 just all your videos are on champion products!! lol good thorough reviews though. I live just north of the cities figure I might need one after the chauvin trials verdict is read !!
@@brianloeffler2245 as I get some other products and tools I'll try to do some reviews on things I think people might enjoy. Either this year or next I'll get into some solar and battery storage too. Thanks
I did buy this on base on the reviews brought though cabas what my experience with this one would not call it good when I got it home I unbox it fill the Crank case with oil 20.3 the oil it came with fill it with gas I first read the manual before I did anything then I started it it ran for 4.5 hrs no load seam find I shut down for night was just breaking it in for the first oil change after that it never ran again it just keeps flooding out carb filter was full of gas call the tech support they were no help at all spent he on hold then took the call back option he later they call back tech just wanted to argue would not listen to me when I said it was flooding out spent 10 minutes trying to start it while the phone before he decided it would not start and I had gas running out the air filter said this was beyond him and would call back in 10 minutes will it been 10 days still no call back am looking for a local to repair it now