Champion 4650 Review Setup Test Inverter Generator
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- Unboxing and full setup and test of this new 4650 watt generator from champion.
Sound test and load with other information to help you decide if this generator is right for you.
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Now that is the way all tests should be done! That was impressive, no lag time with incessant blabbing...just straight at it and quick ...awesome job, seriously that was great. Thanks for sharing that!
Your welcome
And thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching 👍🏼😀
@@johnnysweekends yes, love how you get to it, but..... I'm not clear on several points you were making about the loads as you added them....
Which one or what did you wanna know
Let first say I have probably been on TH-cam for about 10+ years and have dedicated channels I watch/love and don’t even leave a comment. When I saw your video for the first time I was amazed by the OVER THE TOP IN DEPTH REVIEW of exactly what I wanted to see what this generator could do. I just bought an RV and am now looking for a generator. Thank you for the great straight to the point review.
Wow your welcome…😀👍🏼
So glad you left feedback. And I agree no need to drag things on about your life story..😂
Thanks again for watching 😀👍🏼
Johnny, you are my new favorite "reviewer". To the point, great videos, and info. Most reviewers seem to like being on camera and love hearing themselves talk. Keep up the great work. Bingo!
Wow appreciate it!!! And I will and agree it just needs to be the product and to the point..
Thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching..👍🏼😀
Great review - I love the pacing of the video; right to the point with no filler!
Thank you so much. Glad you liked it and thanks for the feed back 👍🏼😀
Thanks for the vid. As always great review. Glad you pointed out the o-ring that I pointed out in your video on the WEN 3800 generator.
Ahh yes 👍🏼
Yea it’s loose on some and better on others. But being it’s the same gen as a lot lol.
Thanks for watching 👍🏼😃
I just subscribed after watching several of your videos, and reading comments you answered openly and honestly..... you have a new fan, and I’ll certainly recommend your channel. Thanks for your outstanding content and help you give:)
Thank you so much, I try even if sometimes the commenter is a little harsh I’ll try to at least give a different perspective to help…
Thanks for watching and for subscribing 👍🏼😀
OH Man!!!! This is ON POINT!!!! I used to play golf with a buddy who we called TURBO, because he was so fast, Man, you cover all the pertinent info thoroughly and in a timely manner! , and IN A QUICK Fashion! Just the way i Like it!!!! Turbo Review Dude!!!!! LOL! Really man, I'm subscribed, in for the long haul!!! Keep up the great work, Thanks!!!!!
Dude love it totally appreciate it….
Thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching 👍🏼😀🤙🏻
First video I’ve seen from your channel. Holy crap your videos are really good quality! You are better than some channels with half a million subs.
Wow thank you so much really appreciate it 😀🙌
Be sure to like and subscribe and share when ya can.
More content coming besides generators as well…🤩😀👍🏼
I have the same generator just bought. It didn’t know all the capabilities of it. Thank you very much for the video. I am now well informed thank you.
Glad i could help
Thank you so much for the review. Your diligence is greatly appreciated.
Thank you much appreciated..👍🏼😀
Glad you had this video showing the loads it helped me make my decision on what size to buy. I was definitely not going to buy the right size. Thank you
You are welcome and thanks for watching 👍🏼😀
Sweet. I like it. Champion make really good generators. Everyone should own a good generator. Exspecialy these days were living in. We have record breaking weather every year and mot to mention all the ciber attacks that's been going on
True they are nice when needed.
This guy is the man. Keep up the good reviews and instructional videos.
Thank you so much..and I will..😀👍🏼
Awesome review! I would suggest to use the heater first, then other devices up to 3kW and after that adding extra devices to try to see what would be the stable max working power without voltage drop.
Thank you for the very informative video. I am researching a generator for home use for power outages. This was helpful.
You welcome hope this helps some. You have to remember these are 120volt gens and not 240 so only part of the panel gets power or you have a small sun panel installed and run the circuits you want to have power like the fridge or water heater , water pump and more.
Great concise review with testing, well done!
Thank you, and thanks for watching 😀👍🏼
Great test! Ive had a discussion with another person who made a video testing the harbor freight 4400i and he stated it would not run his 15k a/c and inverters like that one wont start a 15k without a soft start. I said many vids show other wise. I had mentioned this unit but the 4500 version. I own the dual fuel 4500 of this. Good to see yours started the 15k with out a soft start. If you have a chance to test the harbor freight 4400i that would be great. Again great test vids!
Your welcome. And yes many of these gens will easily start a 15k unit that are 3000 watt and larger. I’ll work on trying to get to the predator 4400i
Thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching 😃👍🏼
A soft start will make your gen run longer because of much less surge each time the compressor starts. I have a 32' 5th wheel with 2 acts with a soft start on each. I have an older eu2000i & can start my 13.5 k btu ac with one eu2000i in eco mode. That says alot about soft starts.
I’ll be getting one soon…😁
BRAVO! Brilliantly done!
Thank you so much…😀👍🏼
thanks for the review, good info, well presented!!!!!
Thank you 😀👍🏼👊🏼
Would love to know this guy's hobbies. He is smart and also picks the right stuff to evaluate.
Why thank you 😊
In some of my older videos I gave clues but have cut some endings to help with performance of the video.
I have a lot of hobbies and some are videos in my profile….😀
Thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching 👍🏼😀👊🏼
Perfect instructions to get set up👍
Thank you and thanks for watching 👍🏼😀
Just bought one. Best I've had.
Is a nice gen….👍🏼
Thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching.
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Great review! Well Done!
Thank you…👍🏼😀
Thanks for the video!
No problem glad I could help..👍🏼😀
Good name…😁👍🏼
Great video thank you very much for sharing
Your welcome 👍🏼😀
The video was great and just what I was looking far !!!!! Thanks a lot !!! What about extension cords to run into my house for my tv,washer ,appliances,etcs.?
Best to get a generator plug installed and you can also do the multiple breaker unit that way you power the items you want since these are 120volt generators.
I like the transfer boxes with about 4-6 breakers.
Great video! I just picked this one up AND the 2500 duel fuel. I 👍 and subbed your channel. Very happy with this review...Also....has anyone told you...YOU SOUND ALMOST IDENTICAL TO BOB ODENKIRK "Saul Goodman " breaking bad 🤣 very cool
Thanks man for the video again. 😀
Wow thanks so much for the sub and glad you like the video. Still one of my favorite units the 4500-4650..😀👍🏼
And yes I have now heard that a few times, maybe I can incorporate some lines from him in future videos 😂👍🏼
Can i use 5/30?
Yes..👍🏼😀
@JOHNNY'S WEEKENDS awsome thanks. Changing the oil. Just recently did break in. All this junk with Russia will forsure get much worse now that we are sending patriot missles over to Ukraine. So. Glad i have 2 gennys now. ❤️ thank you for the reply. 😀 have a merry Christmas be safe. GOD BLESS, MY FRIEND
Wow that does seem crazy. I haven’t caught up on it the last week or two.
But yes Merry Christmas and happy New Years. God Bless 🙌🏼
Another great review, thanks.
Thank you, 😀👍🏼
Great Video sir, thank you!
You’re welcome 👍🏼😀
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Thank you…I try to just give the meat. No body cares what I did today 😂👍🏼😀
I just picked up the same generator, I went with the model without Electric Start or CO (Champion 200992). I use mine mostly for emergency storm outages which are rare and I want the less components to fail, it spends most its time in storage. I replaced the spark plug with the NGK BPR6ES as per the owners manual, I am surprised how out of spec the factory spark plug was it measured .021, it barely fit onto my gap tester. Manual calls for .0.028-0.031. It ran good out of the box, but even smoother with the NGK spark plug gapped to .030.
Yea I wonder if they are using other plugs due to supply issues maybe. Most always seem to take a ngk or torch but yea I always check the gap. Old school that way
Great review! You have to leave the battery on to use the remote start, I wonder how long it lasts with the button turned on. Like, leaving the battery on all night while camping, in case you want to start the generator first thing in the morning.
Yes switch needs to stay on to use remote. And when the switch is on it would probably last maybe 2weeks give or take before it drained it enough to where it wouldn’t start.
So if used frequently leave it on. If not for a few days switch off
@@johnnysweekends Thank you for the reply and clarification on this question.
Phenomenal video. Concise and explained perfectly without any filler. I’m looking to get the Champion 4500 duel fuel...do you know how similar they are?
They run the same size engine at 212cc just a different inverter board I imagine.
I like dual fuel when ever possible 👍🏼
And thank you so much still improving as I go…😀
Thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching 👍🏼😀
Me too on the 4500 dual.
Duel fuel for the win..!!
@@johnnysweekends I should have waited. I purchased the 3500 watt dual fuel a couple of months ago for $999. This one is on Amazon for $876. Duel fuel is great. Especially with a propane tank. Cleaner, less fumes, lasts for hours longer than using gasoline. Not having to worry about gas going bad and gumming things up.
Exactly I tell people if you can get what you want in a dual fuel then why not. Darn near same price. And yea the 4650 was originally $1050 but got slashed to like $850…😒 lol
I’m considering purchasing this, mostly based on your review. Thanks for all the info you provide:). I’m wondering how this gen switches between gas and LP, I don’t see any switch mechanisms as I do on others. Is it so auto to not need one? If there’s gasoline in tank, and you hook up LP tank, will it run on both? Sorry if that’s a silly question
This particular model is not dual fuel.
But the dual fuel model has a switch on front that you choose which fuel source you want to use. And only one fuel supply will run at a time.
You can see the dual fuel here..
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Awesome video
Thank you…
And thanks for watching 👍🏼😀
Good video！
Thank you and thanks again for watching 👍🏼😀
Great video! I just purchased a Champion 4500Watt duel fuel inverter generator for power outages in my home. Is this unit grounded or do you need to put an external ground?
No it’s floating neutral so no ground needed with this as the house is ground.
You can find out more here as well as it has good information on that as well.
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Great Review. I ended up buying this as my first generator. I read there is a 5 hour break-in period. Did you do this and did you do it with the generator under load? Any tips in this area very much appreciated. Thanks!
No I don’t use that process. I have built a lot of engines for racing bikes and skis and once a builder we don’t follow any of that especially on low compression lawn mower engines.
We normally would have engines broke in and ready to race in 20 mins or less. If you had a problem sometimes you get 2 mins to see if it runs and then to the line. Sometimes running engines the whole season that way lol.
I do heat cycles…..several
Start engine, warm up for 2 mins…
Add small load… slowly increase to full and back down with in a couple mins period to idle for a min and shut off.
Let rest for a while then redo two or 3 more times and done.
I’ll change the oil after the first or second run. Then after I’m done. You buy a gallon of oil and you can change the oil several times because they don’t hold any lol.
But that’s my method, it’s worked for years for me. Everyone who reads or does this is at your own risk. Follow the instructions for warranty assurance.
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First time here, and also a first time fuel generator user. One question (from a newbie). I purchased a Champion to use for emergencies to power a portable 8,000BTU air conditioner and/or 5 cu ft min-freezer. The owner's manual says that this is a floating neutral generator and that to prevent electric shock, it needs to be 'grounded' using a copper rod, etc. Is that necessary, and did you ground yours? Thanks for your awesome video!
No that is nothing more than a liability clause. No body grounds portable inverter generators. Plus the ground rod would need to be 5-6ft minimum to do anything pending soil and moisture.
Use it and have fun and just don’t run it over 75% constantly non stop. If you are always at the load step up to a larger size
Hi, great video. I would want something similar to this Champion but with a 30amp 240v outlet for my home. Do you have any recommendations? Thanks!
Check out generator bible they have a ton of info for that and tools like generator sizer and filters…👍🏼
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could you or have you ever done a test with the Hughes voltage booster with a generator. they claim it changes watt's to volts. hence uses less power. would like to see u test this. thanks great videos just found your channel🎉
I have contacted them but o don’t think it does exactly what you think but I am curious how it would react with a smaller generator unit. It’s supposed to protect against power surges and voltage drops adding a small boost to protect items in your Rv. So it helps with both verses a normal surge protection device only protects against a power surge.
hi Johnny,
I just ordered the 4500 (Old?) version of this with remote at a great price under $700. Do you know when the difference is or how similar they are?
Thank you.
Honestly exact same except inverter board allowing more power. It’s possible more windings on the alternator as well but don’t know for sure. Pretty minimal difference so I assume the same.
Nice!
Thank you….. and thanks again for watching 👍🏼😃
@@johnnysweekends anytime!
29bhs?? Great floor plan! We have the same one.
Yes!!!!!!! Good eye and yes great trailer so far. I have several little things done to it…👍🏼😀
GREAT video sir. I'm on the fence between this 4650 Champion and the new NT Powerhorse LC4500i. Seems the Champion is a Wen and the Powerhorse is a Loncin (same as Predator). Could you offer any insight into what you think are the most significant differences between these 2 models?
My biggest priorities are 1) CLEAN 60Hz power 2) efficiency 3) noise. Thanks in advance!
I haven’t got to look at the bigger power horse but correct it was previously powered by loncin and could still be. The new champion is powered by the popular rato engineering engine same as Wen and many other brands.
All new gens are pure sine wave energy at 60hz . Not sure you can find one that isn’t except maybe the cheapest of brands you could find.
The champion is more efficient then the Westinghouse 4500 I know, and from what a lot of people report champion has good customer service and warranty.
You can also check here for good comparison info generatorbible.com/?pk_campaign=jw
Let me know what you think but it seems the champion is a better buy.
@@johnnysweekends I went with the Champion 4650, model 200993. HD had it on sale for 799. It arrived quickly but damaged. The throttle control wires had ripped out of the epoxy-potted inverter module, presumably during shipping. Champion overnighted me a new carb and inverter module, and they have extensive videos of repair/maintenance procedures on TH-cam. I just finished the 5 hour break in (vary electrical load, keep it < 50%) and will be changing oil soon. I'll probably do a full synthetic 10W-30. I am VERY IMPRESSED with Champion's support. So far, that is the biggest selling point for me. This is my first Champion purchase, and I don't regret it one bit.
Wow…. So awesome they helped like that. And glad you like the new gen, it’s a goon unit.
One thing I do tell people from all the responses I get, is besides Honda and Yamaha champion has the best customer service and warranty and I think Wen would be next.
But I think champion is your next best bet and you are a perfect example.
Now granted you shouldn’t have had to do any of that and probably could have gotten a replacement, but you worked with them and still got a good result.
Thanks for the reply…. And thanks again for watching 👍🏼😀
I keep going back and forth between this and the Predator 3500. Still undecided. Glad you did the AC with the microwave. That’s a realistic load I would be placing on my unit, albeit only for as long as it takes to heat up my meal.
The predator kinda was the number one but honestly the only good thing about it now is the return policy from H F
I would just buy Amazon protection plan or other warranty say through tractor trailer for the champion.
I would rather have more power for the same price. And dual fuel.
@@johnnysweekends it’s mainly the noise why I’m considering the Predator. It’s rated at 57db compared to the champions 61db. That’s more than 2x the sound pressure.
Did you watch my latest video comparing them… i did a sound test on a lot of popular generators and show exactly what they were running.
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The Predator 5000 has been a reliability flop, so Champion is cashing in 2023.
For sure!!!!! I had high hopes for the predator 5000, it failed like starship launch one ! 😂
Just received this generator last Wednesday, did the break-in, seems like a really good rig to run my new trailer, BUT the remote doesn't start or stop the unit. Champion has a video for pairing remotes, but the video involves a button and a red light, the only problem the 4650 unit doesn't have any red light on it that apparently the other models have. The video Champion put out is only like 3 months old too. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Maybe the fob battery?? I just took the did the break-in yesterday. Thank you very much.
Does the fob have a light..? I can’t remember if mine did. If it does and no light I would get and new batt. Or make sure the fob doesn’t have one of those plastic covers or something that is in the battery to keep it from draining. You see that a lot in new devices. A little plastic sheet in between battery and contact. If not get ahold of customer service
Thanks for the review. Looks like this might be the one considering it's on sale for $795 I think. Not sure I'll get an answer but what model trailer do you have?
That’s a good deal for that gen…👍🏼
2018 cougar 29bhswe..👍🏼
Thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching 👍🏼😀
@@johnnysweekends I was also looking at the open frame model which is even cheaper still at 599. And put on my own wheel kit.
They are good as well, but they will be considerably louder, so for RV or even home, you will here it for sure verses the other during low load you may wonder if it’s on.
The EZ Start Dial seems like it has 2 positions when you turn it to the green symbol. Is that middle position for anything. I left it in that position and it still started. Also while running I clicked in that position also and it kept on running. I don't see anything in the manual about it.
It doesn’t have much except on and off with automatic choke. But it does have this….GENERATOR SECRET Fuel shut off valve built in!!
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What’s your opinion regarding adding Lucas oil in the piston / spark plug chamber as a break in step? Do you do that? Thanks 🙏
I do not do that. I assume most these engines have a light coat of break in oil or shipping oil on the cylinder so it’s not gonna change anything.
I also don’t do the break in process as some manuals say to, as I do it the way I used to when racing. Which is more of a heat cycle procedure with loads on and off.
I think most racers till this day will still do it that way, if they are also the engine builder.
Kinda a run it like you your gonna own it thing.
@@johnnysweekends thanks for responding, I appreciate it!
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Hi i was wondering would u ever do a video on the alphaworks generator from Amazon its the cheapest generator for around 250 buck im curious to see u do a review on it and if it is worth buying for a cheap generator.
I have not seen one for that price…
Link?
Is there a certain type of extension cords you should get for this generator to run them into your home? I'm new at this and I need a little guidance lol.
Yes if you go to any big home improvement store or Tractor supply they will have generator extension cords. You need one that is more then 15amp capable if you wanna run more then a couple items. Typically 12g is nice. But they are more expensive. You buy once and call it good. Tell someone at the store what you wanna run and then they can show you options.
To use the remote feature do you leave the battery and switch on? If so wouldn't that kill the battery?
Yes leave remote feature on. This has such a minimal drain that it will last several days. But it’s only if you know you are using it during a time period not in like two weeks you want to start it.
Would you say this is one of the best generator/inverters on the market for RV/Travel Trailers? I just bought one to power my 2020 Grand Design 20BHE. It has a Coleman 15,000 BTU AC unit on it. I scored the dual fuel model 4650 on sale at Canadian Tire for $1100 CAD.
Yessss!!!! If you watch my top ten generators it came in at number 1 😀👍🏼
Excellent choice 👊🏼
DANG good video. I have one of these generators, but have only used it once a couple of seasons ago. That said, it has old fuel in it, and old oil. How do you recommend I service it myself before I need to use it (for A/C) this August in the mountains?
Change oil, and remove old gas if you can. Did it have a treatment in it?
Add fresh fuel.
Open drain screw on carb and let fresh fuel flow in with gas switch on.
Then see if it will start and let run for 5-10 mins.
Small jet could be plugged if so it will need to be cleaned if it idles roughly or surges up and down
@@johnnysweekends didn't know there was a carb drain. Fuel switch where? No additive. Do you recommend adding with every fuel add or just when you expect to put it to bed?
I always add a little regardless just in case you let it sit for a while.
I forgot that model is all in one so just turn to start and the opens the fuel to the carb.
There is a screw on the bottom of the carb, it’s a small Phillips and open it a couple turns till fuel comes out the hose then close it when it stops.
Then try and fire the gen, which may tak a few tries.
Hopefully you don’t have to clean the carb
Hey Johnny I had a quick question on this model. I just recently bought one for my detailing business but I’m having an issue with it going into eco mode by itself is there a way to permanently turn that off?
Every time you start it, it automatically goes into eco. Kinda wish there was a button on the remote to turn that off and on.
@@johnnysweekends Thank you!!!
I purchased the same model without the remote start but when I try to hook it up to my RV, the 30amp cords are reading reverse polarity. Any idea on how to fix this? Any input appreciated. Thanks guys
Wow interesting. Well this can happen to where they put the wires in the wrong lugs on the plug. This even happened to some of the Ecoflow delta pro units.
So get a meter on the plug and check to make sure that’s the problem. Negative on the ground and positive on the lower left. That’s the hot line. If your meter shows a negative then it’s reversed for sure and needs to be switched.
If no negative shows up the something else is going on.
Unfortunately things happen.
Wiring for that unit should be ground up top. Black or load on bottom left, and neutral on bottom right. Unless it’s a newer model and it changed, so if the ground is on the bottom, then the upper right is your positive.
Let me know what you find out
Looks like a cougar trailer. I have the same model but an older 2014 model.
Yes..!! 2018 29bhswe….😀👍🏼
I didn't notice in the manuel stating you need to connect the battery cords. Is that something you have to do?
If you don’t the electric start won’t work. Or auto choke
@@johnnysweekends oh ok gotcha! Thanks for the help, much appreciated!
Great video...can you do e versus between the this 4650champ and the wen 3800? they look pretty much the same.
I could but honestly it is the same gen almost but better features on the wen but more power on the champion. Same db level. Same engine 212cc from rato.
So for the most part this one has remote start more power but no fuel shut off… why I don’t know.
Thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching.
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@@johnnysweekends thanks...i will look for the best deal on both and pick that one I can't go wrong with none off them ...thanks again.
Your welcome may wanna look into the Westinghouse as well. Great gen for the price and features the only thing is the engine is not as popular as others and not sure how well warranty or customer service…that is also the same as the onan 4500
@@giancarlohernandez1967 they also make this champion in dual fuel model...I think for the wen u have to buy an attachment.
I have the same generator. Did you have any issues with the propane regulator? My gen will hardly run using propane. I understand they had a bad batch of regulators
I would definitely change the regulator as they can just go bad any time
Could this run multiple refrigerators well? And freezers?
Sure but all depends on the sizes …
You’ll have to figure out the wattage of each.
Where did you purchase your 4650 from? Having trouble finding one in stock.
Yea I think people are grabbing them but I had to go to champion website.
try home depot online..my sister in law just bought one off of there
Great review - thank you. One item that I didn’t see covered in the manual or in your review is the gauge for the oil. I noticed that it increases as the load increases but I’m not sure if this is oil temperature or oil pressure. Does anyone know?
The unit does not have a oil temp or oil pressure gauge that you can see. But it does have the oil light if a condition such as low oil happens to come into play the light will come on and I assume should shut the unit down.
@@johnnysweekends it uses regular gasoline, not diesel, correct?
Yes regular 87 is fine just be sure to use a stabilizer or a additive of some kind that way if you let it sit for a while it’s protected a little.
@@johnnysweekends thank you
Your welcome
I just picked mine up today, it's replacing a Champ 3150. Being it has lithium battery what do I use for a charger, book says use a trickle charger, I use the battery tender JRs on a lot of my stuff, will one of them work with this battery cuz they have same type of plug.
You wanna look at the specs of the battery and also the charger, and see if it’s capable for lithium because they need a higher charge rate. The small batteries may not be so sensitive but in larger items you do need a updated charger that has a lithium batt setting.
Hence I haven’t switched my RV over yet.
Multiple things have to change.
Ok BTJR doesn't say for lithium so what's a good charger for these lithiums in the Champs.
I honestly don’t have a good one to recommend as a lot are still new for the small batteries and some are still pretty spendy.
You could try this one just don’t let your battery die all the way.
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Ok thanks.
Checked Champ info and it says no more than 1.6 amp charge and that ones a 2 amp. I found a BT jr for lithium that's 800ma/.8 amp with same plug end.
Oh nice , yea I look every once in a while and still nothing stands out yet. Well for a reasonable price lol.
any chance this thing could start up a 13.5 and then a 15k AC? Running watts of the 13 are around 1300, which leaves mathematically enough to start up the other AC?
I think it could pending weather and altitude if not terribly hot and not really high in elevation it should work. Start the big first obviously and then the little and maybe even turn off converter that charges the batteries which could steal a precious amp or two. Hence a little solar is great.
My 15k unit runs about 12-12.5 amps so around 10.5-11 amps on that 13.5k…..
so if running 12ish and it does it’s start up man that will be close at maybe a 35 amp jolt. Obviously soft starts will fix all.
I think it should work pending temperatures and altitude are not to high. Start the 15k first.
Not crazy about electronics controlling so many things. Rather have manual choke and gas valve.This way when the electronics fail you can still get it started with manual adjusting the choke valve.
This one does have the manual choke lever which I showed in the video that way if the battery does you just pop the panel with the tool kit and move the choke…👍🏼
Thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching 👍🏼😃
@@johnnysweekends Yes, I now see that.. Does it have a manual gas valve ?
It does not but you can manually drain the float bowl with just a screw driver which shows in the manual if I remember which is super easy and takes about 5 mins or less for longer term storage .
But if you always run a additive it really helps with not having to worry for those shorter sit times of a few months or less
I have 2, one was doa. Champion hung up on me, but amazon stepped up and sent a replacement. The auto start choke system does not work properly on the 1st one.
Yea the choke system is odd when you start with out remote. Having to manually press it on and off.
I wonder if the wire harness was not connected as it happened on the Westinghouse gen.
@@johnnysweekends I haven't had any time to inspect it yet. But I did discover it only fails to run properly when you use the remote start. It you start it with the dial and button it runs perfectly. Using the remote start results in backfires and eventually stalls out. Still usable if you start it without the remote. Either one runs my colman 251tq 29' rv without problems. Even managed to run the ac and electric heater at the same time by accident without overloading.
Oh yea it should should basically run the whole trailer. Ac up to 15k which that’s as big as a single gets I think. And the fridge on ac and the microwave.
But you never run it like that for long or all the time.
Well the remote thing is a bummer. Yea call champion again or I guess if Amazon is gonna fix it. But normally people said they have had good luck with champion and customer service… ???
Good luck and thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching 👍🏼😎
@@johnnysweekends Champion wanted me to send it in for service and we were instantly at odds because it was dead on arrival. Amazon stepped in and sent a replacement. As far as I'm concerned it was a good deal, I'm not the easiest to communicate with when I'm frustrated and Champion customer service lasted longer than most would have lol
Lol ahh well I understand then…😅
Is there a big difference between this one & the black 4500w version? Just can't stand the yellow color, or is this the better generator? They are the same price
More power for the most part. About one amp less then the 4650. Why they did these with Little difference idk
@@johnnysweekends I wouldn't be surprised if the output is the same as it was for the 3400 and 3500 previous models. That was done for marketing reasons so Camping World and Cabelas had models that appeared to be unique but in fact, only the labeling was different.
It may be the same story on this new series. I would like to see a measured load test on each.
I assume for the most part they are the same because many share the same engine being a 212cc rato engine but it’s possible it’s a different inverter board.
Kinda like the Westinghouse and onan 4500 same engine but possibly has a different inverter board to allow a pinch more power. Not much but just enough.
@@johnnysweekends You got me wondering so I downloaded the parts list for both models and found they show the same part number for the inverter module. The indicates to me they have the same power output.
Well there ya go. Yea that’s mostly how you find that a lot of models and even brands are the same. This engine is used in so many models and I assume several of the electronics are the same as well.
Most of them all have a equal or duplicate somewhere.
Can it be used the very first time it’s turn on from the store?
Yes, but I recommend a small break in. Just do heat cycles in 3rds up to hundred percent 5 mins each and a 10 minute cool down
Looks like they removed the remote start on the dual fuel 4650....can't find one anywhere
I have seen that as as well but maybe tractor supply?? They carry a lot of champion products normally
they seem to use that engine on alot of different sizes . when is enough for this little engine?
Yes there are a couple manufacturers of the 212cc engine. I think the 4500/4650 is fine but anything bigger should step up to a larger engine.
Does this brand really popular in North America because I am from Taiwan but I can’t get many information here.thanks
Yes popular here. Champion is one of the top selling brands.
having to take the side cover off to move the choke seems crazy
Well that is only if the battery dies. So most times you’ll never do it.
When you had it with highest load, was on eco mode?
It was on eco if I remember but that won’t effect overall performance except for tough loads on and off. So when running a air compressor or ac unit on and off best to have it with eco off then turn it on to let throttle adjust as loads come and go.
Eco just allows I to idle way down when loads are minimal to none
@@johnnysweekends Thanks a lot..
You’re welcome 😀👍🏼
Is there any way to shutoff the fuel and run the carb dry?
Watch here…👍🏼😀
GENERATOR SECRET Fuel shut off valve built in!!
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@@johnnysweekends Great video! Never realized I could do this with my Honda 2000 also.
Thank you and yea pretty cool right..👍🏼😀
Pretty sucky that the 30A outlet isn't a locking style, and that it's not tri-fuel. People more often have an NG hookup than a huge stockpile of LP. Not that I'd rather have just NG capability...but it can't be that difficult or expensive to just include NG functionality as well.
That thing looks like a clone of the Wen 3800. Only the panel is a bit different and it has remote start. Same case (only different color) and engine.
Good eye…😉
Thanks for watching 👍🏼😃
Ya not telling me anything I don’t know. It’s crazy you cant find a real USA made small portable gen.
But heck 90 percent of everything we use or buy is from China now. No way around it.
Including the devices we are typing on are probably mostly made in China lol.
You change your name…?
Wow cool thanks. Yea I’m currently working on trying to get a few sponsors to maybe help off set costs.
It will be a slow process but little by little I will get there.
Probably when my channel looks a little more legit with 10k plus subs.
For the most part small channels like mine I think most people pass over.
Although people often have said can’t believe you don’t have more subs…
So idk 🤷♂️ lol just keep doing my thing 😃
Thank you sir I love silver cymbal. That channel is great and hope to be half of what that is someday. All though the generators are just a stepping stone and I hope to continue to move to more products , but I will probably continue doing the basic generator reviews on most models just to help people with a possible purchase. How much longer not sure as I have someone who is really starting to copy how I do things and objects I use in my video. Like the meter I build or doing split screen. I get people will vary off maybe what other creators do but when it’s darn near exact then it’s like well where is the creative in your own channel. Because I know when I started no one did a power meter like mine or split screen to show live view. So will see what happens but I find it point less if they or we are just doing the same things.
But I’ll continue to be creative and still have my own style.
Thanks for all the wise words and feed back and staying with me pretty much since the beginning. I don’t mind constructive criticism lol.
Great video
Thank you
Is it water proof in rain?
Water proof, no. Water resistant sure to an extent but you should put a cover on it. Keep it out of the rain when possible, that whole electricity thing and water does not always play well.
How long can it run on a full tank running the ac?
Depends on the size of the AC and are you running anything else or just that only. Is it super hot like 105 and above or more like 85-95 but hotter temps create more load so you’ll burn a pinch more fuel..
What altitude??
Some variables there
@@johnnysweekends around 6000 ft and 80 to 90 degrees and 15000 btu. Just wondering if you can run just the ac for 5 or 6 hours on a tank.
Well at that altitude you’ll need a jet kit. And you have lost about 18-20% power at that altitude give or take.
So you will burn more gas. Maybe dual fuel could be better option but I would say fuel usage up 10-15% or so from normal.
How’s this compared to the 4500 powerhorse?
Honestly both very close to the same. The 4500 is nice slightly more compact and like slight and if I remember both run a 212cc rato engine but would need to double check. The powerhorse is just a pinch quieter at low and maybe mid range levels but equal up top.
Hard to go wrong with either except I find champion seems to getting better feedback and customer scores then powerhorse from northern tool.
Could be wrong but just what I’m reading and seeing.
@@johnnysweekends ok thank you I got the powerhorse for $1000 with 4 year warranty I can return and get the champion for $100 more
I think as long as you get a warranty which I recommend anyone do because you never know, I think you’ll be fine.
Where can I buy a spark plugs how to find them
Auto parts store. Or Amazon or goggle
No 120/240 twist lock?
This is a 120 volt gen. Need to step up pretty high for 240. Some 120v have a L5-30r twist lock but still 120
Ok... so in your opinion... which one is better?
For which…there are a lot of generators and all depends what ya need.
where to get? not on ebay
They could be in back order but you can try here……
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where did you buy?
Champion website but check out this place as they have a price comparison tool…
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What about a ground?
Typically most of these types of generators have a floating neutral. And most the time are used in applications that have a grounded neutral like houses or recreational vehicles. So one is not need and from the reading I have done when you add a ground wire you now have a shock hazard. So per manual it is not advised except when paralleled.
The math doesnt add up...Max amps is 30.4 but if you take running watts of 3650 / 240 volts you get 15.2 amps..Am I missing something here?
Yes…. It’s a 120 volt generator not 240. Run the math again and your good..👍🏼😀
@@johnnysweekends lol...ya ok..
I mean if the gen produced 240 you would be right as well..😂😉👍🏼
@@johnnysweekends I saw that it had what I thought was a 240 volt plug. I have a 2018 Smart EQ and am looking for innovative ways of charging this car..and thought that a portable generator/inverter would do the trick, but it turns out getting 30 amps at 240 volts from a generator isnt going to happen with anything close to being portable..
lol yup your correct. Any smaller unit like this that is closed frame inverter is gonna be 120 volt. Once you get to 240 they are normally about 7500 watts open frame and 7000 closed like on the Honda or the powerhorse from northern tool, but they are big, heavy and expansive.
Unfortunately that’s the problem charging any car. It’s only gonna be at 120 on the smaller gens and so many amps. Some home units are 240@60 amps…😳
Out of the three whats your favorite Westinghouse, champion or the predator.
Ahh man that’s tough because of a few factors…..
Predator pros…..
Has a good reliability report….is one of the quietest around, is a awesome deal when you can use the super coupon but I hear that has gone completely. Decent size fuel tank for long run times.
And it’s ability to handle full load and even a lot more and just keep running. Rated at 25 amps but will run 28 for …. Well idk never waited around long enough to find out. Held 30 amps for over 5 mins and didn’t shut down or struggle but I shut it down.
Cons….. lame way to move with small wheels
Would like a better handle to move around
No Rv plug
No remote start
No fuel shut off
Would like a drain hose for oil changes.
Now a lot of cons are fixable with mods. But other goodies options are things you get with say the Westinghouse..
Westinghouse pros…..
Has battery charger hook up
Nice wheels
Remote start
Fuel shut for storage
Digital readout
Nice carrying handle which I like and don’t like
Pretty darn quiet
Decent fuel tank.
Has the largest cc engine of the 3 at 224cc
Cons….unknown reliability
Odd motor that I don’t see in generators but that could be changing as there are alot… and I do mean alot and most are the same.
Heaviest of the 3 by about 3-4 pounds
No reports back from viewers of good or bad or customer service.
Lame service door makes oil changes not ideal so I would change it up a little.
Champion pros…
Excellent customer service and warranty at least that’s what viewers say. So far the most people talk about champion more then any other brand excluding Honda and Yamaha.
Reliable rato engine which is popular in a lot of brands.
Remote start
Rv plug
Nice handle
Good wheels
Digital readout
Lithium battery
Easy service
Cons…..
No fuel shut off
No auto choke but it is electric auto with a push button, kinda weird.
And…. Well idk.
So overall the Westinghouse house kinda wins for load ability for the bigger engine . The handle, how quiet, features like remote start and a fuel shut off and large fuel cell.
Even though predator really has a good reputation for the price and everything you get well the Westinghouse which is the same as the onan 4500 kinda wins.
Unless something happens during my video that I didn’t see.
Champion 4650 vs Westinghouse this Sunday well hoping for Sunday depending on work and family 😅
@@johnnysweekends im definitely looking forward to Sunday
Me too 👍🏼
Where can i buy this kind of generator?I want to buy..
Check here as they have places to price compare and purchase.
It’s a great generator tool…!
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How much the small one
Not sure current price but I think… $789
use ethanol free fuel
It’s a good option just expensive. If you plan to store then yea, if running all the time just use normal.
Look like not from Habor Freight colors.
Not harbor freight at all…😁😀👍🏼
All those automatic gadgets and no 220V plug in :(
Lmao for 3600 usable watts😁🤦🏻♂️😆
The electric start stopped working on my 4650 for no apparent reason. Remote start or electric knob wont start the generator, I have to pull start it. Waste of money!
How old is it? How many hours ?
Smaller same power
Champions are great..!
honda 3000 is way quieter than any of them... Ive had champion and yamaha and nothing can compare to a Honda. Not even close...
They are quiet but low on power is the problem. They need a new version.
@@johnnysweekends I have a 34' camper with 15k btu ac and it runs it perfectly plus all my lights at camp and the mini fridge on deck with no issues..
My champion 3100 would quit anytime it rained and wouldn't start back up. My Honda ran thru 90mph winds in Hurricane urma. We have 4 campers on camp and all 4 of us had champions. Now we all run Hondas and champion is only used for well. I agree a 4500 Honda would be nice cause I could run everything and my well pump but Honda is the golden standard.
I agree Honda is hard to beat. I would like to see a couple small changes…. A 4000-4500 watt version and if it could shed a few pounds and maybe better wheels 😅
I also think if they shed about 10% of the price sales would definitely go up a lot. I think they are loosing a decent market now that everyone around is making a inverter gen.
@@johnnysweekends I went the other way because of price and it proved to be a waste of money. I ended up buying the Honda anyhow. 3 of 4 champions 3100 stall anytime it rains and in south Florida it's often. 1 of the 4 you have to spend 10-15 just to get it running. Id buy a predator before a champion cause the champion has proven to be junk. Only 1 of 4 works properly when needed and even that 1 was replaced.
Hopefully this one is upgraded to be better quality.