British Pedal Company is FAR from authentic recreations of the original circuits. There are so many awesome companies who are actually putting out great versions of these circuits and who aren't shady businessmen.
Sinister Star. You are so correct. The only thing BPC pedals are good for is using as enclosures for a real artist to put a real circuit in. People won’t even buy the BPC guts on eBay: worthless crap.
Shame BPC have some shady dealings. Ask Ant Macari about the rights to the Tonebender name. Have a look at what Gary Hurst has to say over about BPC. That’s ignoring the whole Music Ground thing.
Very saddened to see a reputable retailer like Andertons dealing with a company with a shady and criminal past. Well presented and played as usual but I think the choice in stocking this brand was a poor one
@@Lez325 First of all, Gary Hurst, inventor of the Tone Bender had this to say: “I would like to say once and for all; I have no connection with this company (British Pedal Company) whatsoever, even though my name is unlawfully all over the text headings to their pedals; Fuzz King, Doubler, Tone Bender etc. They have copied not only the names but also the graphic work on all these pedals. I was, as you all probably know, the designer of the Tone Bender the production of which was done by me for a time and then taken over by Sola/ColorSound"..."I have been severally damaged by some earlier connection with these BPC guys when I supplied my Tone Bender Reissue to another of their companies some years ago. Then they carried on by copying this and other pedals associated with me, always using my name in the headings, and probably falsely signing certificates as well. This has given way to people thinking I am associated with them. This is in way true and I apologize if anyone has purchased from them thinking the product had something to do with me".
I'm confused. This seem to be blatant violations of intellectual property laws. Telling the customer base to 'deal with it' themselves is... just sad. I've loved everything about Andertons since i first heard of you from the beginnings of the Rob and Lee videos, so this sorta catches me like a smack to the face. I know the whole guitar industry is incestuous and it's a copycat world, but most companies are working within a blurry set of rules. This just smashes them. What am i missing? This feels just shameful.
Not to mention the "controversy" around bpc and their owners Music Ground. MG sold stolen guitars and rebranded/fake amps, and bpc is very much the same deal, fake/rebranded transistors and stolen names. Even if there's some legal loophole the ethics are obviously out the window.
@@triplestaff thanks for the background intel. I was unaware of the company until this video. That's pretty bad. Yeah, ethics have to start from the top and work their way down. A retailer should not just pass the buck and say it's the consumer's job to 'interpret' or dismiss ethical issues. Obviously, there are gray areas. This seems so completely far outside of the gray, though. This would be like Andertons selling the LyRock or 68Pedals King of Clone, but the version with the actual Analogman branding on it.
The company bought the copyright that’s why they are using the names. That’s how business works. Nothing sketchy or shameful there? Plus Andertons is a large enough company to protect its self interests and fully vet the legality of the products that it sells.
@@benlogan430 from who? They didn't buy them from Macaris/Sola sound/Colorsound, Dallas-Arbiter, John Hornby-Skewes or Pepe Rush, who made the original pedals. Both Macaris and Pepe's daughter make pedals still, they haven't sold the rights to them in any way. Know the facts before spewing bullshit please.
BPC are the PT Barnums of fuzz, proving there’s a sucker born every minute. I am HORRIFIED that my favorite demo show would give a nanosecond of repubility to the flotsam that is the BPC…
Something I'd like to add to the conversation. The company is very dishonest about the transistors they use in their pedals. I have one of their 1.5 tone benders and the "OC75" transistors don't look anything like any of the OC75s I've ever seen. I tried researching the manufacture and products codes stamped on them and couldn't find anything. I'm almost 100% sure they are generic pnp germanium transistors that they stamped with fake codes.
Sounds about right. The owners of BPC are convicted criminals. They were caught red handed selling a large collection of stolen guitars worth a couple of million. The son is known for building amps out of random parts and selling them as original vintage.
@@tatefx4829 its not a red flag, its honesty, they are literally telling you they're manufacturing them. a red flag would be them saying they are vintage and mullard was spelt wrong
I agree with other comments, that you are carrying these crooks products. I think you should remove this video and cancel your contract with them to avoid damaging your reputation.
I just came here for the comments! 😀 Super surprised that Andertons are supplying products by BPC. You’d have thought they’d either done some research or called something out in the video to make customers aware of what has changed since their shady business model
I knew NOTHING about BPC's background until I read the comments. Thank you to everyone who alerted everyone else about the people behind BPC. Oh Captain how in hell can you deal with these people? Your family business is old school like Macari's in Denmark St. It's like betraying your own culture. I simply cannot fathom how you, Lee, did not know about the people behind BPC. You ARE the industry mate, and even by a very slim chance you did not know, a simple question to a wholesaler or a distributor (not associated with BPC) would have yielded the answers we see here. Come on Anderton's you do not need these guys.
@@drippinglass I'm sure they're fine enough but when you compare them to originals or good modern recreations they don't stand a chance. It's like comparing a Harley Benton to a vintage or customshop fender.
Cloning is one thing. But it sounds like the guys behind this brand are actual criminals. There is no way I am buying any of their products. Don't care how the pedals sound.
The practices of the owners is definitely something to be aware of. I am surprised these are being stocked. Do they even have the licence to call it a tone bender ?
Wow I can't believe you are retailers for BPC?? It says a lot about you guys doing business with convicted felonies that has ripped off the guitar community.
I may have been trying for a Revolver Tone, I have one of Lucy Rush's Pep Boxes, running into a Jext Telez White Pedal, into a Defiant. I think that the Beatles were supposed to be using a Conqueror, but I don't have a Stack of Redd.47s (yet) and I am not getting the right tone out of my Conqueror. Then again I think that I am trying for more Townsend than Lennon. 🎸
Man… As soon as Lee opened up that first pedal at 4:17, I knew something was up. Even with a modest knowledge of audio components, I can look at that and tell you something fishy’s going on. That switch is garbage, the wiring is thin and messy, and the jacks are the kind you can buy in lots of 10 for $2. You guys have had a whole lot more experience with handwired, high quality gear than I have by miles. Did nobody say anything, or catch those tells? These pedals, as far as I can see, are cheaply built, basic circuits that are blatantly using names to misrepresent what’s actually inside them. Maybe I’m missing something, but judging by the rest of the comments, I don’t think I’m that far off. If a company wants to make products like that, whatever, but if you guys want to stock and demo them, that does shine a bit of a reflection on you guys a dealer. Listen, I’m not mad, just… Disappointed.
“You deal with that” seems a bit of a flippant way to dodge responsibility for stocking a company that uses other peoples trademarks without permission, especially when some of the original companies are still going. You can still get pep boxes made by the daughter of the original maker, macari’s still owns the rights to and makes tonebenders. Seems a bit disingenuous
@@paulboomer4794 that’s what I’m saying. The issue is that the British pedal company have put “Tone bender” on the front of the pedal. If they’d called it something else it wouldn’t be a problem. I wouldn’t expect Andertons to stock my line of guitars that say “Gibson Les Paul” on the headstock, even if I say that I have no affiliation with Gibson. When they’re hanging on the wall next to each other who’s to know the difference
The reason I don't want to get involved in this is becasue its not as cut & dried as you suggest. If all the original names had been properly trademarked then the legitimate owners could prevent the trademark from being used by other companies.... but from I undertsnad none of these names have been trade marked & as such the British Pedal Company aren't infringing on a legitimate trademark. Whether the British Pedal Co should change the names morally is a different matter - thats why I said I didn't want to get into that argument!
@@andertons No offence but : Still doesnt feel right from them, they basically rip off and make it pass like they’re the "official" makers as they would have bought the brand or something. Supporting/selling that brand shows you’re ok with that 😉
Strange decision to go with this company 🤦🏻 love the channel and andertons is a fantastic place to purchase your gear no doubt but did you not expect a backlash from this?
Just my two cents, I’ve played a BPC Zonk Machine. It was awful. The volume knob did nothing past ~30%. The fuzz knob really didn’t change anything until after 70%. My local shop was charging $325 for it. Absolutely absurd, this company is trash lmao
That's the worst thing they've stolen the name from tbh, like macaris will be fine and jhs or d-a aren't around anymore, but using the pep box name is actively taking money away from someone who lives off it.
@@triplestaff exactly my thoughs, but money has no color when it comes to captain lee anderton. i'm very disapointed by the team, nobody could have though "meh this isn't really fair"
For what it's worth, I don't dial my Pep Box in like that but I sure like my tone better. Lucy Rush is not overcharging or anything, but I don't know if you would want the BPC one if that is the tone you are going for, regardless. Doesn't seem too infringing to me, I can tell that it is from BPC, ymmv. ✌
Its sad to read about this companies reputation, anyway the pedals sound pretty horrible to me, i put my money on analogman and king tone for great sounding pedals and they havent let me down.
Interesting back story I never knew about developing here. Personally I thought all of these pedals sound unusable. Not even the talent of Pete could muster anything useful out of them that was musical sounding. Expensive crap in my opinion.
I was in bands in the 60's and pedals like this were all there was. They were crap then and crap now. Who wants a guitar to sound like a fart machine? Nostalgia isn't always good.
@@DavidKennaway1 nothing to do with nostalgia or the sound (although I love 60s fuzz) more to do with Music Ground and whether reputable retailers should be carrying their products.
@@starkickermusic2100 dealing in fake and stolen goods. Faked vintage amps, stolen guitars, etc. Bpc is very much the same fake stuff, low grade stuff they've branded as their own despite not being what they claim to be. As well as using the names without permission from the people who made them (Dallas arbiter, colorsound/macaris, Josh Hornby-Skewes, etc)
Let's be real here, even though BPC might have some sketchy practices, they're bringing some serious competition and affordability to the ToneBender game. Personally, I'm way more pissed about the ridiculous prices some of these pedals are going for than any supposed copyright infringement. At the end of the day, it's not like it's hurting me or hurting Macari's demand.
Gary Hurst says his graphics and his name have been slapped on BPC pedals without his permission. From what I can gather, including news articles about previous scams, this company looks slimy.
Want a fuzz? Several different flavours and immaculate build quality from the good people at Fredric effects at a very reasonable price. I have one of their Green Russian fuzzes and it is superb.
On to the discussion around 14:30 . I was recently at gig, where the players told the sound guy, what they think about him and blasted their 100watt Plexis flat out thru 4x12s. Holy mother, thats veeery different experience of gig. The physicall feeling of air moved by 4x12s pushed by flat out gunned valve amps is something to behold.
Uggg wish you guys played the Marshall's more often, such a incoic unique tone which others come close but not quite... Love the sound of a cranked Marshall especially with a gibby les paul!
They have an absolutely stunning dumble clone just in the right corner and they never touch it! Absolutely agree though, more vintage Marshall tones would be lovely, the Victory stuff is an excellent platform but it’s completely devoid of character in my opinion (owned and sold a few victory’s all for the same reason).
@@NevermoreAudio victorys are a overall great amp but "master of none" they are solid "good" amps but compared to the major 3 in the 1980s (vox, Marshall, fender) they all brought their own very distinct flavor to the table. While victorys are overall awesome amps, it doesn't have that "thing" certain old time amps have!
I'm so glad this comment section is filled with intellectual rights justice! Especially after these 2 tried to wipe their hands clean and continue to even stock this bootleg trash. How about they put their money where their mouth is and pull the stock?
"... the olden days" Is that a mix of old and golden? Idk but you said it "all matters' so- I wrote Pete's name on the waist band of my underwear- (me nickers, for all you Brits). I think it's helping.... Imo the Bender is the style of fuzz for ppl who really like fuzz- not fuzzy overdrive. Personally- I like fuzzy overdrive like a Fuzz Face or a Big Muff. The Bender is too fuzz-like for me- too gated, overly biased at times, just not my thing.
Gotta be honest; these are the worst excuses for a MKII, 1.5, Buzzaround and Zonk I've heard in all my days; what a load of sh*t! How dodgy the company is aside; these pedals sound f*cking crap, nothing like the "real deal" or even most "clones" for substantially less outlay; crap.
For the cost of enclosure only you ca build like 20 fuzz circuits! (Or more). If you realy chasing the tone enclosure have no meaning, you can use anything that will fit all the parts...
I thought they sounded great to be honest but abit over priced but a fuzz that would appeal to me and my old school style .we have to remember there was no TH-cam and much equipment about back in the day .that sound was new and very inventive to have .also the studios added to the sounds to all valve and real tape .On the negative side I’m shocked my what im reading to .and hear about music ground to being crooks and thieves thats documented ,Why do they have to infringe on copy rights they could have had a different brand name like colour bender or Banana Bender even Birmingham bender .Think they are having a laugh bender though .price them at £130 .They no sound great though .back ground is dodgy .
is there anybody who can actually tell me the problems with British Pedal Company and their so called "Affiliate" Music Ground? reason is all I see are accusations thrown and I can't find any info on them accurately stating what was so bad that they did
That mk 2 bender is like organic electricity v.s digital current, tesla (not the f**king car brand) v.s kerswell (google dick), i'll take tesla every day
For what it’s worth, I have a Caitlinbread Naga Viper treble booster before my fuzz (EH Big Muff), and the addition was life changing. I was finally able to get the tone in my head out of my speakers. Soaring Gilmour solo tones. Pure magic.
British Pedal Company is FAR from authentic recreations of the original circuits. There are so many awesome companies who are actually putting out great versions of these circuits and who aren't shady businessmen.
Shady in what way? Just being curious.
@@TheEchelon look up music ground
Con men for sure
Sinister Star. You are so correct. The only thing BPC pedals are good for is using as enclosures for a real artist to put a real circuit in. People won’t even buy the BPC guts on eBay: worthless crap.
@@erisrules I mean you can say the same about a dunlop fuzz face, thats what market BPC are in
Shame BPC have some shady dealings. Ask Ant Macari about the rights to the Tonebender name. Have a look at what Gary Hurst has to say over about BPC. That’s ignoring the whole Music Ground thing.
My understanding is that the Boss TB2 is a collaboration between the two companies.
Lame. Sorry to see you got suckered into selling this garbage. BPC is detestable 👎👎
Very saddened to see a reputable retailer like Andertons dealing with a company with a shady and criminal past.
Well presented and played as usual but I think the choice in stocking this brand was a poor one
criminal past? do tell....
Care to elaborate buddy?
those asking just google it. via either "british pedal compay" fraudsters or "music ground" there is a LOT of dirt out there
@@Lez325
First of all, Gary Hurst, inventor of the Tone Bender had this to say:
“I would like to say once and for all; I have no connection with this company (British Pedal Company) whatsoever, even though my name is unlawfully all over the text headings to their pedals; Fuzz King, Doubler, Tone Bender etc. They have copied not only the names but also the graphic work on all these pedals. I was, as you all probably know, the designer of the Tone Bender the production of which was done by me for a time and then taken over by Sola/ColorSound"..."I have been severally damaged by some earlier connection with these BPC guys when I supplied my Tone Bender Reissue to another of their companies some years ago. Then they carried on by copying this and other pedals associated with me, always using my name in the headings, and probably falsely signing certificates as well. This has given way to people thinking I am associated with them. This is in way true and I apologize if anyone has purchased from them thinking the product had something to do with me".
does it really make you sad and make andertons less reputable because they showed these pedals.... gimme a break
"Is this the most authentic recreation of the original Tone Bender?" Hard NO to the question posed in this thumbnail. What a low for this channel.
Very disappointing Andertons are pushing this. Come on chaps you are better than this.
My brain hurts from all the misinformation in this video :'(
I'm confused. This seem to be blatant violations of intellectual property laws. Telling the customer base to 'deal with it' themselves is... just sad. I've loved everything about Andertons since i first heard of you from the beginnings of the Rob and Lee videos, so this sorta catches me like a smack to the face. I know the whole guitar industry is incestuous and it's a copycat world, but most companies are working within a blurry set of rules. This just smashes them. What am i missing? This feels just shameful.
Not to mention the "controversy" around bpc and their owners Music Ground. MG sold stolen guitars and rebranded/fake amps, and bpc is very much the same deal, fake/rebranded transistors and stolen names. Even if there's some legal loophole the ethics are obviously out the window.
@@triplestaff thanks for the background intel. I was unaware of the company until this video. That's pretty bad. Yeah, ethics have to start from the top and work their way down. A retailer should not just pass the buck and say it's the consumer's job to 'interpret' or dismiss ethical issues. Obviously, there are gray areas. This seems so completely far outside of the gray, though. This would be like Andertons selling the LyRock or 68Pedals King of Clone, but the version with the actual Analogman branding on it.
@@CentaurusRelax314 exactly! Like sure they're not saying they're coloursound or macaris but they're very much hinting at it.
The company bought the copyright that’s why they are using the names. That’s how business works. Nothing sketchy or shameful there? Plus Andertons is a large enough company to protect its self interests and fully vet the legality of the products that it sells.
@@benlogan430 from who? They didn't buy them from Macaris/Sola sound/Colorsound, Dallas-Arbiter, John Hornby-Skewes or Pepe Rush, who made the original pedals. Both Macaris and Pepe's daughter make pedals still, they haven't sold the rights to them in any way. Know the facts before spewing bullshit please.
The last thing the world needs right now, is more Bpc shit pedals
I am very disappointed by Andertons selling BPC!
BPC are the PT Barnums of fuzz, proving there’s a sucker born every minute. I am HORRIFIED that my favorite demo show would give a nanosecond of repubility to the flotsam that is the BPC…
Something I'd like to add to the conversation. The company is very dishonest about the transistors they use in their pedals. I have one of their 1.5 tone benders and the "OC75" transistors don't look anything like any of the OC75s I've ever seen. I tried researching the manufacture and products codes stamped on them and couldn't find anything. I'm almost 100% sure they are generic pnp germanium transistors that they stamped with fake codes.
Sounds about right. The owners of BPC are convicted criminals. They were caught red handed selling a large collection of stolen guitars worth a couple of million. The son is known for building amps out of random parts and selling them as original vintage.
They have the branding printed on them for BPC which for me is an immediate red flag. Proper OC75’s have date and manufacture factory codes.
@@tatefx4829 exactly, and everyone who builds with real deal components are very proud and upfront about it!
The chap on guitarpedalx - Stefan? - has pointed out that it's hard to know what is inside these pedals.
@@tatefx4829 its not a red flag, its honesty, they are literally telling you they're manufacturing them. a red flag would be them saying they are vintage and mullard was spelt wrong
I agree with other comments, that you are carrying these crooks products. I think you should remove this video and cancel your contract with them to avoid damaging your reputation.
Knowingly selling products made by crooks
Absolutely, this video is shocking frankly.
Much love for everyone at Andertons but kinda lost a bit of respect seeing you guys carrying Music Ground products
I just came here for the comments! 😀 Super surprised that Andertons are supplying products by BPC. You’d have thought they’d either done some research or called something out in the video to make customers aware of what has changed since their shady business model
Surprised? Plenty of shade going on with who Andertons associate with and finance
Not surprising tbh, and bpc hasn't changed much pedal wise, still using rebranded transistors and all sorts of weird shit.
Business? Music!
@@TheGamerThing any details?
Too bad this company have questionable ethics...
This is a questionable airing of free publicity for these guys to put it politely as i can.
I was surprised to see you start to carry this line. Are they still owned by Music Ground?
I knew NOTHING about BPC's background until I read the comments. Thank you to everyone who alerted everyone else about the people behind BPC. Oh Captain how in hell can you deal with these people? Your family business is old school like Macari's in Denmark St. It's like betraying your own culture. I simply cannot fathom how you, Lee, did not know about the people behind BPC. You ARE the industry mate, and even by a very slim chance you did not know, a simple question to a wholesaler or a distributor (not associated with BPC) would have yielded the answers we see here. Come on Anderton's you do not need these guys.
Exactly👌🏼
Same way he deals with Chappers I guess, he likes money and don't care much about anything else...
@@valebliz What happened between them?
Hard no.. not cool to stock these things.. and not cool to do business with BPC.. you lost me here… why would you do that..
I love fuzz, but I'll never buy a BPC pedal. Looking at the comments; Anderton's won't sell as many as they might hope.
If you're the kind of person who would buy a "Tone Bender" or "Rangemaster" by BPC, can I talk to you about these Magic Beans I've got...?
Same people who would smoke oregano and get "high" cuz someone sold it to them as weed 🤣
I got the Zonk and the Mk. I. They sound great.
@@drippinglass I'm sure they're fine enough but when you compare them to originals or good modern recreations they don't stand a chance. It's like comparing a Harley Benton to a vintage or customshop fender.
oh man u guys now own an apology to Macari's …… carrying BPC is by far the worst decision ever….
Cloning is one thing. But it sounds like the guys behind this brand are actual criminals.
There is no way I am buying any of their products. Don't care how the pedals sound.
You're an 1d1ot
BPC …… not for me
The practices of the owners is definitely something to be aware of. I am surprised these are being stocked. Do they even have the licence to call it a tone bender ?
It's a legal greyzone afaik, it would be s civil court case that would cost a lot of money for the people suing them.
Have to add my vote to the "why go here" camp. I bought a Zonk/MKI from JDM in Germany. Nice to deal with and honest. I would avoid BPC
I bought The MKII Fuzz, and itss gloriouss
Sheesh, not BPC. At the very least, "Rangemaster" and "Tonebender" are trademarked (and not by the Harrisons)!
I want the dislike count back
I think everyone wants to see the ratio on this one!!! 😂
Me too 🤣
Wow I can't believe you are retailers for BPC?? It says a lot about you guys doing business with convicted felonies that has ripped off the guitar community.
I may have been trying for a Revolver Tone, I have one of Lucy Rush's Pep Boxes, running into a Jext Telez White Pedal, into a Defiant. I think that the Beatles were supposed to be using a Conqueror, but I don't have a Stack of Redd.47s (yet) and I am not getting the right tone out of my Conqueror. Then again I think that I am trying for more Townsend than Lennon. 🎸
Avoid BPC at all costs, do more thorough research about who’s products you’re promoting guys…this is a company of crooks with subpar product!
Man… As soon as Lee opened up that first pedal at 4:17, I knew something was up. Even with a modest knowledge of audio components, I can look at that and tell you something fishy’s going on. That switch is garbage, the wiring is thin and messy, and the jacks are the kind you can buy in lots of 10 for $2.
You guys have had a whole lot more experience with handwired, high quality gear than I have by miles. Did nobody say anything, or catch those tells? These pedals, as far as I can see, are cheaply built, basic circuits that are blatantly using names to misrepresent what’s actually inside them. Maybe I’m missing something, but judging by the rest of the comments, I don’t think I’m that far off.
If a company wants to make products like that, whatever, but if you guys want to stock and demo them, that does shine a bit of a reflection on you guys a dealer. Listen, I’m not mad, just… Disappointed.
“You deal with that” seems a bit of a flippant way to dodge responsibility for stocking a company that uses other peoples trademarks without permission, especially when some of the original companies are still going. You can still get pep boxes made by the daughter of the original maker, macari’s still owns the rights to and makes tonebenders. Seems a bit disingenuous
If you want a Sola Sound Tone Bender, buy the Macari'is. Others are copys
@@paulboomer4794 that’s what I’m saying. The issue is that the British pedal company have put “Tone bender” on the front of the pedal. If they’d called it something else it wouldn’t be a problem. I wouldn’t expect Andertons to stock my line of guitars that say “Gibson Les Paul” on the headstock, even if I say that I have no affiliation with Gibson. When they’re hanging on the wall next to each other who’s to know the difference
@@galogamoth if yours are assembled properly, well finished and stay in tune then it'll be pretty easy to identify the real Gibsons
The reason I don't want to get involved in this is becasue its not as cut & dried as you suggest. If all the original names had been properly trademarked then the legitimate owners could prevent the trademark from being used by other companies.... but from I undertsnad none of these names have been trade marked & as such the British Pedal Company aren't infringing on a legitimate trademark. Whether the British Pedal Co should change the names morally is a different matter - thats why I said I didn't want to get into that argument!
@@andertons No offence but : Still doesnt feel right from them, they basically rip off and make it pass like they’re the "official" makers as they would have bought the brand or something.
Supporting/selling that brand shows you’re ok with that 😉
Andertons .... just look at these top comments , please do some research
What the hell Andertons? I doubt this will fly with the pedal community
Oh it isn't, they're getting torn apart in Fuzztopia
Stocking crap like this takes me back to the freekish blues days where you had those listed for ages despite customer backlash
Strange decision to go with this company 🤦🏻 love the channel and andertons is a fantastic place to purchase your gear no doubt but did you not expect a backlash from this?
Shame!
Just my two cents, I’ve played a BPC Zonk Machine. It was awful. The volume knob did nothing past ~30%. The fuzz knob really didn’t change anything until after 70%. My local shop was charging $325 for it. Absolutely absurd, this company is trash lmao
None of these pedals sound like what they're supposed to be; the MKII is particularly sh*t.
the pep box is still built to this day by the daughter of the inventor
That's the worst thing they've stolen the name from tbh, like macaris will be fine and jhs or d-a aren't around anymore, but using the pep box name is actively taking money away from someone who lives off it.
@@triplestaff exactly my thoughs, but money has no color when it comes to captain lee anderton. i'm very disapointed by the team, nobody could have though "meh this isn't really fair"
For what it's worth, I don't dial my Pep Box in like that but I sure like my tone better. Lucy Rush is not overcharging or anything, but I don't know if you would want the BPC one if that is the tone you are going for, regardless. Doesn't seem too infringing to me, I can tell that it is from BPC, ymmv. ✌
The homepage of bpc is already down!
Yes it is. As down as their ethics and vision.
There's a difference between cloning and counterfeiting, and these are verging on the latter.
Exactly
im outraged. way to undo your reputation guys....
Its sad to read about this companies reputation, anyway the pedals sound pretty horrible to me, i put my money on analogman and king tone for great sounding pedals and they havent let me down.
Huge fan of this channel, but next video please. Disappointed.
I only clicked on this video to see if the comments section went the way I hope it might. glad it has.
First Vertex, now this!
Interesting back story I never knew about developing here. Personally I thought all of these pedals sound unusable. Not even the talent of Pete could muster anything useful out of them that was musical sounding. Expensive crap in my opinion.
Funny that this video came out after the youtube dislikes were removed....
I was surprised to see you carrying this line. Are they still owned by Music Ground?
I was in bands in the 60's and pedals like this were all there was. They were crap then and crap now. Who wants a guitar to sound like a fart machine? Nostalgia isn't always good.
@@DavidKennaway1 nothing to do with nostalgia or the sound (although I love 60s fuzz) more to do with Music Ground and whether reputable retailers should be carrying their products.
@@JoshLikesFuzz Josh, what was music Ground known for doing? Just curious don't have much experience buying from them.
@@starkickermusic2100 dealing in fake and stolen goods. Faked vintage amps, stolen guitars, etc. Bpc is very much the same fake stuff, low grade stuff they've branded as their own despite not being what they claim to be. As well as using the names without permission from the people who made them (Dallas arbiter, colorsound/macaris, Josh Hornby-Skewes, etc)
Oh ok and that is surprising that Andertons would associate themselves with that kind of business.
Are British Pedal Company the same people who were done for handling stolen guitars with music ground?
Yes
comment section was all over the place, when Vertex was introduced. Im looking forward, how much heat they will get for BPS.
@@stanislavmigra comparing them to Vertex does the men behind BPC a kindness. They are a whole other league.
@@JoshLikesFuzz I know, thats why Im interested, what will comment section do in this case.
SAME OLD SHIT.
They make a good guitar and amp sound crap in my opinion 🤷
I love BPC just because they enrage kindergarten idealists and their enclosures look awesome.
Let's be real here, even though BPC might have some sketchy practices, they're bringing some serious competition and affordability to the ToneBender game. Personally, I'm way more pissed about the ridiculous prices some of these pedals are going for than any supposed copyright infringement. At the end of the day, it's not like it's hurting me or hurting Macari's demand.
Base Pedalling Conmen!
The Rangemaster sounds great, but the shady background puts me off
Not good but Pete could make any shit sound good sounds like a cheap beringer pedal
Manlay sound Ronno Benders are fantastic
I think I’ll open up a Andetons myself.. and just let the customers deal with the legals..
😂👌🏼
I have the MK2 professional and I love it.
Gary Hurst says his graphics and his name have been slapped on BPC pedals without his permission. From what I can gather, including news articles about previous scams, this company looks slimy.
Want a fuzz? Several different flavours and immaculate build quality from the good people at Fredric effects at a very reasonable price. I have one of their Green Russian fuzzes and it is superb.
Treble booster never betray you ❤ love the OC75 too !
On to the discussion around 14:30 . I was recently at gig, where the players told the sound guy, what they think about him and blasted their 100watt Plexis flat out thru 4x12s. Holy mother, thats veeery different experience of gig. The physicall feeling of air moved by 4x12s pushed by flat out gunned valve amps is something to behold.
I love how Pete's usually sweet sexy guitar style became bludgeony cave man blues rock with a tone bender. Man those were the days!
Hey a cool idea for a video would be shooting out the same pedals through different amps with various guitars.
Uggg wish you guys played the Marshall's more often, such a incoic unique tone which others come close but not quite... Love the sound of a cranked Marshall especially with a gibby les paul!
They have an absolutely stunning dumble clone just in the right corner and they never touch it! Absolutely agree though, more vintage Marshall tones would be lovely, the Victory stuff is an excellent platform but it’s completely devoid of character in my opinion (owned and sold a few victory’s all for the same reason).
@@NevermoreAudio victorys are a overall great amp but "master of none" they are solid "good" amps but compared to the major 3 in the 1980s (vox, Marshall, fender) they all brought their own very distinct flavor to the table. While victorys are overall awesome amps, it doesn't have that "thing" certain old time amps have!
@@jmabs5096 this exactly!
I had an ampli that cost 60€ in 90's that sounds the same at Max volume... Ever
I'm so glad this comment section is filled with intellectual rights justice! Especially after these 2 tried to wipe their hands clean and continue to even stock this bootleg trash. How about they put their money where their mouth is and pull the stock?
Tru - Fi RangeMaster is much better
Del and Rodney these days
Everyone's all BPC! BPC! And I'm over here like "How the heck does Lee not know what a Rangemaster is and who's used it?"
"... the olden days" Is that a mix of old and golden? Idk but you said it "all matters' so- I wrote Pete's name on the waist band of my underwear- (me nickers, for all you Brits). I think it's helping.... Imo the Bender is the style of fuzz for ppl who really like fuzz- not fuzzy overdrive. Personally- I like fuzzy overdrive like a Fuzz Face or a Big Muff. The Bender is too fuzz-like for me- too gated, overly biased at times, just not my thing.
Gotta be honest; these are the worst excuses for a MKII, 1.5, Buzzaround and Zonk I've heard in all my days; what a load of sh*t! How dodgy the company is aside; these pedals sound f*cking crap, nothing like the "real deal" or even most "clones" for substantially less outlay; crap.
For the cost of enclosure only you ca build like 20 fuzz circuits! (Or more). If you realy chasing the tone enclosure have no meaning, you can use anything that will fit all the parts...
Protoboard
I thought they sounded great to be honest but abit over priced but a fuzz that would appeal to me and my old school style .we have to remember there was no TH-cam and much equipment about back in the day .that sound was new and very inventive to have .also the studios added to the sounds to all valve and real tape .On the negative side I’m shocked my what im reading to .and hear about music ground to being crooks and thieves thats documented ,Why do they have to infringe on copy rights they could have had a different brand name like colour bender or Banana Bender even Birmingham bender .Think they are having a laugh bender though .price them at £130 .They no sound great though .back ground is dodgy .
Ew
Would not buy a BPC out of principle. Dodgy goings on over many years. And I question the authenticity of the transistors.
Nah mate
We need more of the Danish Jimmy persona with the JTM
is there anybody who can actually tell me the problems with British Pedal Company and their so called "Affiliate" Music Ground?
reason is all I see are accusations thrown and I can't find any info on them accurately stating what was so bad that they did
Eric Clapton never used a treble booster ffs, its iust a damn bluesbresker amp that is cranked
That mk 2 bender is like organic electricity v.s digital current, tesla (not the f**king car brand) v.s kerswell (google dick), i'll take tesla every day
Why does no one ever break into "Heart Full of Soul" or some such? Jeff Beck always gets a mention. Testify!
18:39 yes some originals had massive amounts of gain, same goes for MK1s and 2s
The chap on the left still has no idea what he's talking about. Jeez...
"The animalistic urges that come out when you just turn up with eight twelves..."
True colors showing here?
Please review the MKi,,,please❤
Small Mustang amps take fuzz great, just so you know.
you only get barrow boys in when you delegate down to people who are either ignorant or desperate to impress
I remember the song Revolver on Revolver... great song.
ROCK ON THE BURNS
Remember you have an overhead cam to use to your advantage Captain.
11:39 this effect sounds like the start to audio slaves couhise
Lets be honest, no pedal was the best. Why they don't use that marshal in every video is beyond me. Its the best sounding amp they have by miles.
For what it’s worth, I have a Caitlinbread Naga Viper treble booster before my fuzz (EH Big Muff), and the addition was life changing. I was finally able to get the tone in my head out of my speakers. Soaring Gilmour solo tones. Pure magic.