Alfa Romeo 2.0 Twinspark cambelt guide and how to.
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Thanks for this Neil, just changed my cambelt and your video was a great help.
Another really informative video. Thank you for sharing 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Thanks for great video , very well explained ,top camera work
Many thanks!
Thanks for the vlog and waterpump renew
Great video and a very good job, thanks
thank you.
Years ago a had an Bravo HGT Fiat, the time Belt was change on 2005 on 2018 bevor a got my Alfa TI the Timebelt was still the Same More than 12 Years ! probiliy the new owner still drives on it ;) incredible it was a Gates Belt .
Very goed like always from you.
Thanks.
Good stuff, really well explained
Glad you liked it!
That was really well presented 👌
Thank you.
Would love to see a step by step tutorial for the 2.0 JTS engine! Great video as always!
its the same job pretty much.
This video is an absolute godsend
thankyou.
@@ItaliaAutos i just have one question, ive removed the 4 bolts holding the crank pulley in place but it absolutely will not budge even with persuasion. Any ideas as to what i can try? It's a 2008 alfa GT with the 1.8 ts if that helps, im not sure if the pulley is different to the 2.0
Nice job.
Thank you for sharing.
Is have 156 . 1.6 and time for new belt.
Thanks for watching.
Just used the info from around 7:00 in your video to figure out how to change the aux belt and tensioner. Not quite as impressive as doing the whole cam belt at home but saved me a few quid, so thanks!
Great to hear!
@@ItaliaAutos hola disculpa te hablo de argentina... Tengo un alfa Romeo 155 16v y tengo que colocarle cables de bujías pero no sé cómo se arma, tendrás un manual o me podrás explicar en un vídeo como hacerlo. Desde ya muchas gracias
Well done for putting the oil cap back in situe.
Very good job!! 👍🏅
Good video, very informative.
Could do one on the bench with a spare engine to show the engine part of the job more clearly.
The Twin Spark 2 Liter was the most reliable Alfa 2 liter ever, on the 164 and 75 it made both cars very attractive, not only by the price. BUT THE GERMAN CAR LOBBY PROPAGANDA AGAINST ITALIAN MANUFACTURERS GOES ON. IF YOU CHECK THE BODIES OF THE MERCEDES E-CLASS OF THE MID 90'S, I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANY MERCEDES WITH SO MANY RUST PROBLEMS, EVEN THE 190 WAS NOT AS WORSE. OH OF COURSE NO HOLES, BUT FOR A CAR THAT COSTED 30-50% MORE AS COMPARABLE CARS LIKE LUXUS ETC THIS CAN NOT HAPPEN, BUT IF DEUTSCHE BANK OR DEUTSCHE AUTOS, THEY DON'T DESERVE NO MORE THE BLIND TRUST THEY HAD ONCE, THOSE TIMES ARE LONG GONE. COMPARED THE ITALIANS LOST ENTIRELY THEY RUST PROBLEMS SINCE 2 DECADES AND IF MAKING A CAR COMING JUST CLOSER TO THE SALES PRICE OF A BMW OR MERCEDES, THEY LOOK NOT BAD, BUT IF EVERYBODY WOULD BUY A CAR JUST FOR RELIABILITY, everybody must buy a Lexus in this class, the Japanese long ago reached an higher standard than any European manufacturer. Not as casualty Toyota's market worth climbed to 200 Million $, 3 times the worth of Volkswagen and 4 times that of Mercedes, 5 times that of BMW etc etc
thanks for the comment.
If u don't have locking tools use the lines on the belt as u c at 38.20 the 3 lines lines up with the marks on the pulleys
Hey, what tools do i need for doing this job on a 1.8 twinspark? I have the cam locking tools and the tdc tool. I am thinking specifically about the bolts on the wheel on the crank, which kind of look like torx. Thanks in advance.
Excellent.
Hello ! I'm trying to follow your fantastic video for my 1.8 Twin Spark engine, but I'm stuck at the camshaft pulley removal point.
A 7:26, you managed to remove the four bolts so easily, while mine won't move at all. There are so stuck that when I try to unscew them, I make the pulley turn !
Do you have any trick to pass throught that situation ?
This video is brilliant and has helped me loads have you done a video on changing the big end bearings on any of the thwinspark engines ?
Thanks. I don’t do how to guides any more.
@@ItaliaAutos Shame, these are gold dust!
Congratulations for you work!Please tell if I am rong but I think the procedure is the same like Fiat Coupe 1.8?Also do you have any link for the tool kit ?
Thank you again
Nice video. I can`t help but think to myself, 'why can`t they just have a spring-loaded tensioner like other cars'? Seems a bit of a faff using that little cam shaped tool to tension it.
Just one question, what are all the metal shavings that came out of the camshaft sprocket bolts? That looked like something had been stripped somewhere
When changing the timing belt, is it necessary (smart) to put the gear in its 5th and maybe even have the brake pressed with a stick so it doesn't move off the TDC once u got it locked in ?
Neil what torque settings do you use for the rocker cover fastners please? Are JTS settings same as a twin spark?
Hey man I'm wondering, my 147 1.6 has a weird situation of having a variator solenoid (no wire to plug into it tho) and a rattle at startup - but a 6.5k redline and its according to the engine number supposed to be a 105 not a 120 version. Is it possible that the head was replaced and that the variator solenoid and the variator itself was left in but its not in use so its still making 105hp?
I trust you have not missed anything. I had sensation after my cambelt change something was not perfect, but then all fixed after oil leakages fixing and GPL gas install and then other garage maintenances. Now it's near my second belt change; I'm afraid about it.
Hi Neil. What could be the problem on my 145. He is ideling high and low. Do you think it could be the idle valve on the throtle body? or something else?
The little Arrow on the Tensioner Bearing goes way very up as you turn the crankshaft...., Does the belt have good tension?
A very good tutorial just a couple of points to mention. I wasn't quite sure why you tightened the exhaust cam sprocket with the belt off. There is also free movement on the key way on the exhaust cam and would have thought TDC on no 1 piston cams in position and locked, belt fitted and tensioned and then tighten both cam sprockets. Important that the exhaust sprocket is tightened with full tension on the drive side of the belt at perfect TDC No 1 cyl. A minor but important to know Fiat use their own multi spline tools and not Torx. You're ok with using torx bits most of the time but on occasion they can slip and damage the socket .
Hi thanks for the comment, 99% of the time you can get away without undoing the exhaust pulley but sometimes like one I did today the belt was top tight to get on. Reason I don't like undoing it is because the bolt holes love to strip their threads on the camlock if the cam bolt is to tight.
I’m very confused on how to take the power steering pully off, I know you take the bolts off but mine wont come off I’ve tried using a torque gun but still won’t budge any help would be appreciated
what is the hose on 2:38 that came of, i have a problem with that hose and need to change it, what should i replace it with?
hi,on the crank bolt its left screw-thread or right ???
I have 1.6 77kw 147 , and I can't allow it.
I have to take notes and do this myself, as my local Garages refuse to do my Alfa 147 2.0 TS.
Not good
Thanks a lot for the video, certainly will help when I do my 2.0 TS Spider. Out of curiousity what do you charge for a belt replacement, and what belts/tensioner/pump brands do you recommend. Thanks Steve, Sydney Australia
I use genuine parts where possible. I charge £280 for a full belt abd water pump change.
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very reasonable. please stop using screwdrivers for pry bars though.@@ItaliaAutos
Can you pls show us on 1.9jtdm 16v?
Hola qué par de apriete ( Nm ) lleva la distribución ? ..
Muchas Gracias 👍🏼✔
.Salud.2
at how many nm the cam pulley is tightened, crankshaft water pump spaner slider
Thanks for the videos.
Can you elaborate why you dislike the JTS motors? (reading from your answers across comment sections on different videos)
I understand they are more delicate and its unlikely to find one that has been maintained to its needs, but when you did find one with the perfect history, with correct use and oil, it would hang on just as well as a TS, no?
heavy engines, unreliable cam chain (needs more than regular oil changes, parts are hard to get, not really all that more powerful than older engines. list could go on.
Is it 100% necessary to putthe balance shaft belt back on?
Thanks for these informative videos Neil. My 1.6ts snapped it's cambelt at low rpm. Can I take it for granted there will be valve damage?
yes you will have damage but your engine is easy and pretty cheap to fix
happened the same to me....only bent 2 exhaust valves :)
Great job Neil, question.. If you already had the rocker cover removed, wouldn't it be wise to replace it's gasket too? I imagine the couple of pounds it would cost wouldn't be an issue
Removing that cover literally takes not more than 15 minutes, so you can replace that gasket anytime you want.
It is the correct way to work.
Unique notes:
1) Immediately remove the bulkhead of the wheel mudguard (it works better).
2) In old cars it is advisable to replace the phase sensor ... if it works badly you should redo all the work to replace it.
Good job.
phase sensors are £250 now and most people wont pay that. never had to remove the arch liner. thanks for watching.
Great video. Mention the belt has A lot of.lines on it what is caused by / a sign of?. Thanks
Sign of it thinning out/wearing. (sorry to butt-in)
@@steven-vn9ui Sounds a bit like the top of my head !
Many TS/JTS 2.0 cambelt change guides I´ve seen tell to loosen the exhaust cam pulley too before pre-tensioning the new belt. So that´s not necessary?
Seppo Eerola sometimes you get a very tight belt and loosening the pulley will help you get the belt on. 99%of the time you don’t need to do it.
You are right and there is a good reason for this important step.
The exhaust cam pulley is manufactured with enough play to equalise and spread belt tension between the cam sprockets before the sprockets are tightened. Unless it is loosened when tensioning there may be a false timing situation present due to belt over-tension existing on one side of the exhaust pulley which will right itself and change the timing profile slightly once the cam locks are out.
What's happened here is the previous belt change cam sprocket positions are being used and they seem correct when checked
Why loosen the exhaust cam pulley?
Is there a specific dial gauge you use to put into the cylinder ? Can this be done without one ? I’ve heard mixed advice ? Top videos too !! 😊
you just need a DTI gauge. thanks
You can use a screwdriver and work out when the piston stops moving, that is TDC. Not as precise but doable.
I need your help about my Alfa Romeo 166. My - spectacular - 2.5 Busso keep idle to about 650rpm
(steady, but too low). Accordingly, entire car tremble during engine
idle. Throttle body seems ok (I tried to replace it), plenum and air
pipe doesn't get external air, flow meter sensor is ok. In general the
engine is great, except for idle too low during engine idle. About you,
could be due to one (or some) camshafts pulley with a tooth not in
correct position?
Throttle reset needed maybe
Does all this go for the GTV 916 JTS 2.0 too? Are the torque settings the same as for the TS? Thanks :) BTW, thanks for the video, gold dust!
Can see you said below 95% same as this for the JTS. Are torque settings the same?
How do you know the "top death centre"? And do you really need a special tool for it? How about all the torque specs? Thank you!
to do it correctly you do need the tool.
Neil, presumably you didn't loosen the right cam pulley, so to do this job you don't require the special cam pulley holding tool/pliers right?
no you dont always need to but sometimes belts are tight.
There is a little notch on the exhaust camshaft pulley that is supposed to point forward. I think i missed that when i changed my timing belt. I see it pointing forward in this video. What happens if you miss that?
I. have a 2009 2.0 twin spark Alfa Romeo i want to know.why the no.1 cylinder has no spark even if you swop the coil pack from no.3 to no.1 cylinder
Nice Job I now Its a Pig Job don it on mine 147 pff 👍
Hi Italia Autos, I've followed this guide 100% through when replacing the timing belt on my 156 ts. Up until now, it was running OKAY, but recently when running the car a loud rubbing noise has come from the timing belt location. Low and behold, I take the rocker guard cover off and rubbing is visible on the side of the belt. Unsure on what has caused this, am going to pull it all apart again shortly. Any advice on why this may have happened? Cheers
ZacSaxon all bolts fitted and tightened up correctly also all bolts in belt cover.
@@ItaliaAutos Thanks for the reply, I've redone the whole timing belt today and I believe I didn't tighten to the right torque, so I went and got a proper torque wrench and all is good so far!
ZacSaxon good stuff.
How similar is doing this cambelt change on this engine to doing one on a 2.0 JTS please ?
Thanks .
Chris Richmond 95% the same
Italia Autos Excellent thanks for your reply at this early hour as well 👍🏻
Hi Neil, what's your advice about changing the phase variator on these TS engines? New ones are around £195 and was wondering if you have tried the relief kits at all? Keep up the good work, cheers.
Spend the new money. Repair kits don't work.
@@ItaliaAutos Hi Neil, thanks for your reply mate. Just done cambelt change on my 1.6L Twinny and thought I'd give the releif kit a go as the dreaded diesel start-up sound was prominent, well after reading up on people's experiences with the relief kits and chatting to some Alfa owners I didn't hold much hope but still gave it a go anyways, but from what I've just experienced, the relief kit has relinquished the diesel start-up sound, although if I were in your shoes I would have just put a new variator in anyways.
When you put the new timing belt on, what position should the intake cam gear be at, as it can rotate (advance/retard) several teeth worth of rotation (even with the camshaft itself locked) due to the slotted holes where it attaches to the variator. E.g. Do you slide it all the way forward, or all the way back, or keep it in the middle of its range of motion (before you tighten the 4x bolts)?
I always try yo get it in the middle
Great video, how much would this cost roughly, fitted by a non Alfa independent garage?
£320
@@ItaliaAutos Thanks, much appreciated
What size ribe tool is needed to remove those bolts on the harmonic balancer?
cant remember off my head sorry
@@ItaliaAutos all good. I looked up the actually bolt and it same up as m8. So here's hoping as I've order one.
City?
Why in manuals theere is a step for tensioning a belt at max at first, then 2 turn and then release it on the dot? I have done it always with that but Im not sure why its needed? I see You didnt do it in the video.
It's to 'bed' the new belt in I believe, as new belts are a bit stiff out of the box, setting the tensioner to Max will form the belt & teeth into the sprockets.
Is the procedure exactly same for alfa gt 2.0 jts version?
Yep
I have Always had the alfa. What's your opinion on this engine. Thinking of buying the older spider with this engine. Thanks mate
Perfectly fine. Just always change the oil often.
@@ItaliaAutos thank you. 👌🙏👍
what about this free rotating intake pulley, how to set her up when placing belt on, should it be all the way to the left or right?
Silvio in the middle. So you can take up the slack then tighten them up again.
@@ItaliaAutos oh, thanks, i tought it affects timing of the variator so it should be either left or right
@@ShadoutMusicOfficial no its pretty much to to aid the belt
@@ItaliaAutos Oh yeah, that's what I thought.. what about the cam locks, how to know which one is for intake and which one is exhaust? on the page it only says blue 1.8-2.0 purple 1.4-1-6.. I just got the set and on them are just some generic marks
@@ShadoutMusicOfficial if they should have numbers on them
How often do you need to change it please? I have seen a nice 1999 model for sale, the Guy says it was renewed in 2019
3 years
@@ItaliaAutos Thanks, I can now haggle the price, the Cam is due!
how do you time in the inlet cam if your doing it from scratch after a rebuild??
Buy using the cam locks
@@ItaliaAutos which cylinder do you put the cam lock on, i have set mine on 2, would be real handy if you could confirm, all seems ok as i marked up the gears at a previous cambelt change and all seems timed ok, i have had a waterpump failure!
Hi my friend... where is camshaft sensor on the 147?? thanks a lot..
Behind the intake camshaft
@@ItaliaAutos do you have any video??
The crankshaft hasn't been fixed before removing the timing belt?
It doesn't need to be.
i try to realise whats the difference on 168 ,152 and 130 teeth timing belt. can you help me
2.0 1.8 and 1.6 engines I'd guess.
What are the torque specs for the cam gears, tensioner and balancer pulley etc?
there on google. :-)
@@ItaliaAutos thanks :D
Is that a plastic valve cover?
Eric Cooper yes cf3
Can anybody please recommend a good dial gauge and adapter for this job.
Plenty on ebay
Yeap now i decided to Not doing this by myself 😮
I've buyed an Black 145 from 2003 wich is in Good condition, but this has to be done soon...
Enjoy
@@ItaliaAutos
I do
I had a 99 Puma before, lives that Car but his Time was come ...
Is the procedure same for the 156 JTS 2.0 engines?
Yes just different cam lock
@@ItaliaAutos thanks
How simmilar is this to doing a 1.6 77kw tspark?
Same procedure, no balance belt on the 1.6 and 1.8 so they are easier.
what tools are needed for this procedure?
timing tools and a decent socket and spanner set.
Some say the pulleys should be loosened to help with even belt tension. Don’t you think that’s necessary?
Some belts are tight to fit so sometimes I do
I see thanks. Good to know it depends on the belt.
ye gods.............could they design it to make a service item any harder to change....??!! - Magnetic fastening cambelt cover and a tensioner design that moves completely out of way and locks into 'servicing' position - wiggle old belt off and replace - 10 mins? - Same for ancillary belt
do u really need to take all plugs out and everything ?
you can just take the 1 out.
How About the timing mark on the belt?
Hi Neil big Alfa fan here, love your videos. I have a load of Alfa Spares, mostly for a 156. I need to move them on, for no money, interested? Give me a pm!
Hi thanks. I binned all my 156 spares last year. Didn't have much call for them anymore,
Which oil should I use? 10.40 or 10.60
I used 10-40 in TS.
@@ItaliaAutos Is 10.40 suitable for high revs?
Not had an issue.
@@ItaliaAutos Do you recommend LPG? At what intervals should the oil be changed?
some mechanics dont use balance belt?
is that ok?
yes you can but like to keep things as they came from the factory where possible.
Highly debated subject, i personally cut it and drive without it. Always have done on my 156's. Not really any noticeable difference for the worse, improved engine response though. I drove them pretty hard and redlined them and never had a problem.
@@johanneswarn5488 why would you cut it, doesn't that remove the AC?
@@Meox_YT no the AC is driven by the serpentine belt. The balance belt only handles the balance shafts.
@@johanneswarn5488 Sorry if I'm asking to many questions, what is a balance shaft? I am currently doing the head gasket on an 2.0TS 16v and I'm wondering if the balance belt needs to be in a certain timing like the timing belt or does it not matter.
Now please make one for changing a Busso 2,5 or 3.0 V6 cambelt.
That’s one I’m filming with the engine out as it’s not going to be an easy one to film. There will be one next month.👍
Great news!😃👍
Is that the preferred way to go at it, with engine out, or only for filming purposes?
Only for filming. I tried a swirl flap video on a diesel but just wasn’t a good video.
👨🔧Bonjour excuser moi !!!
Moi ça serai pour ma alfa romeo gt 2.0 jts !!!
Pour caler ma distribution si vous aurait ça en expliquation sil vous plait !!!
Par ce que je ne trouve pas de repere , si vous aurai ça en video merci 🤜🤛👍
désolé je n'ai pas de vidéo pour ça. Merci d'avoir regardé.
@@ItaliaAutos merci beaucoup a vous
Fudge me, careful with the water pump. I had insufficient light and thought that smaller bolt went into the head. Nope, you keep screwing that thing in and you'll hit the head and snap part of the water pump off, lol. Sheeeeeeet
Variator diesel noise
Hey Neil, does this look normal to you? th-cam.com/video/5NdmHxK0EQ4/w-d-xo.html
Anyone else familiar with cambelts can also chime in. It's a new Dayco belt from a kit and now I'm wondering if I should get another belt just in case.
I think I found the cause. The inlet pulley is not snug to the variator. th-cam.com/video/pCVVl58kQwk/w-d-xo.html
7:40 - hitting that wheel with a hammer is dumb like hell... You hit second mass to get off the first one....
It's not dumb at all mate.
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I need your help about my Alfa Romeo 166. My - spectacular - 2.5 Busso keep idle to about 650rpm
(steady, but too low). Accordingly, entire car tremble during engine
idle. Throttle body seems ok (I tried to replace it), plenum and air
pipe doesn't get external air, flow meter sensor is ok. In general the
engine is great, except for idle too low during engine idle. About you,
could be due to one (or some) camshafts pulley with a tooth not in
correct position?
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Back in 2000 when I bought my 145 cloverleaf the first time I had the timing belt done it cost me £750, I was told the only way to do it on that car was to remove the engine, is this actually the case or can you do it in situ?
Engine has never needed to be removed for a twinspark engine.
@@ItaliaAutos thanks, always seemed a bit of overkill.
Farina Marcini yes it can be done. Most engine mounts need removing in order to change the water pump and tensioner. A lot of people just do the belt and leave the other stuff.