Jim Cornette on Dark Side Of The Ring's WWE Steroid Trial Episode

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  • From Episode 405 of the Jim Cornette Experience
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  • @pleaseshutup7053
    @pleaseshutup7053 2 ปีที่แล้ว +357

    The nailz part was hilarious
    Lawyer: “Do you have animosity towards Vince”
    Nailz: “No”
    Lawyer:”He doesn’t know what animosity means”
    Lawyer:”Do you hate Vince”
    Nailz: “Yes”

    • @darrengordon-hill
      @darrengordon-hill 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Who said wrestlers are dumb...

    • @sunfire29841
      @sunfire29841 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Im going to hell for laughing as hard as i did

    • @JamesWho1
      @JamesWho1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      Nailz that would be an ecumenical matter yes

    • @Forever_Thatter
      @Forever_Thatter 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Tough as Nailz & rocks 4 Brainz.

    • @robertreynolds1768
      @robertreynolds1768 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@JamesWho1 careful now!

  • @DolFunDolhpinVtuber
    @DolFunDolhpinVtuber 2 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    Do you swear to speak the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
    Hulk Hogan: That don't work for me brother.

    • @peterlee6374
      @peterlee6374 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      🤣🤣

    • @erikstorm8935
      @erikstorm8935 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Hulk: "dont work yourself into a shoot, brother"
      Judge: "wait, what?"

    • @williamthompson5504
      @williamthompson5504 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Perfect!

    • @kl2389
      @kl2389 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      TF man. I can't stop laughing when I read this 🤣😂🤣😂

  • @frank-bmtz
    @frank-bmtz 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    “What has Vince ever done that would warrant him getting prosecuted and going to prison?”
    2024 has entered the chat.

    • @AbdulGabagool83
      @AbdulGabagool83 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hahahah came to the comments for this

  • @decepticonxhunter4850
    @decepticonxhunter4850 2 ปีที่แล้ว +116

    I've never laughed so hard in a DSOTR episode since the first 15 or so minutes of the Plane Ride one. Between Nailz not knowing what "animosity" meant and Meltzer bringing up Vince portraying himself as the babyface by going to court in a neckbrace, my sides were splitting hard lol

    • @TJDious
      @TJDious 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The steroid trial was an all heel program.

    • @chriskay1449
      @chriskay1449 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Vince did have neck surgery, so Meltzer was a clown as usual.

    • @sukhdeepbutty2399
      @sukhdeepbutty2399 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@chriskay1449 Meltzer on wor mentioned that

    • @chriskay1449
      @chriskay1449 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Meltzer can say what he wants. Vince did have neck surgery.

    • @sukhdeepbutty2399
      @sukhdeepbutty2399 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@chriskay1449 yes he had neck surgery before the trial so that he could gain sympathy. Which is what Meltzer said, thicko.

  • @keefriff99
    @keefriff99 2 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Vince reminds me of Bill Murray in that great trashy ‘90s movie, Wild Things…as soon he gets the not guilty verdict, he rips the neck brace right off in the courtroom 😂

    • @dwade6322
      @dwade6322 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Oh man that script was GOLD! For a lower budget movie,this one was a Home Run.

    • @rofbagging9749
      @rofbagging9749 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That amazing movie with Denise Richards caused my first wet dream 😍

  • @t-bro9529
    @t-bro9529 2 ปีที่แล้ว +102

    Dark Side of the Ring needs some movie length episodes. The Steroid Trial should've gone for 2 hours.

    • @pleaseshutup7053
      @pleaseshutup7053 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Only the Benoit and Brian Pillman have been 2 hours so far

    • @standardofexcellence
      @standardofexcellence 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agreed

    • @kenrickeason
      @kenrickeason 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It takes money... Probably only got a budget that carries their shows so far..

    • @mr.green2341
      @mr.green2341 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pleaseshutup7053 Yeah, so are you trying to counter that for some reason they should be the only ones to have multiple parts to them? If so, why?

    • @robertstraw9881
      @robertstraw9881 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      No it shouldn’t.
      It’s not that interesting to fill an hour.
      The whole thing was bullshit.

  • @HellNation
    @HellNation 2 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    A thing missed on this episode was the World Bodybuilding Federation founded by Vince Mcmahon on 1991, where you have bodybuilders using substances for the "muscular gains", even more than in wrestling. At the end the WBF was a failed experiment, since the established company the IFBB (owner of Mr. Olympia) was too strong to be defeated on PPV sales and events, but this is a link for the steroid source used in wrestling.

    • @bluntamainia444
      @bluntamainia444 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      That WBF was some weird sexual fetish stuff strictly for Vince’s head stash to watch later

    • @user-do2ev2hr7h
      @user-do2ev2hr7h 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      The WBF is actual a hoot to watch in retrospect as all the bodybuilders were given WWE style gimmicks.

    • @FirstLast-yh7gj
      @FirstLast-yh7gj 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Could be saving it for a separate I guess

    • @superstarreviews9937
      @superstarreviews9937 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Wasn't the wbf made,just so he could bring in lex luger, without bringing him in as a wrestler, since he was still under wcw contract?!

    • @user-do2ev2hr7h
      @user-do2ev2hr7h 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@superstarreviews9937 They did bring in Luger to the WBF first for those reasons, but my understanding has always been that it was something they were going to do regardless. Vince likes bodybuilding and thought he could apply his same "entertainment" formula to that as he did to wrestling. At one point in the early 90's they were considering some kind of karate league as well. Vince was looking to expand even then.

  • @i_am_raph
    @i_am_raph 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    loved watching mcdevitt throughout the whole thing. saying that 'maybe reagan had the wrong lawyer' was absolute badassery.

  • @jongon0848
    @jongon0848 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I'd love to see them cover more topics from the Ruthless Aggression Era. Particularly these
    1. The Edge/Lita Affair
    2. Muhammad Hassan's career
    3. 2004 Tough Enough
    4. The 2004 Raw Diva Search

    • @heisensaul5538
      @heisensaul5538 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The WCW racism lawsuit would be great to hear about too.

    • @abcsin6526
      @abcsin6526 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      3rd and 4th topic doesn't make any sense for dark side of the ring

    • @yeez13
      @yeez13 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Scott Hall in general would be an absolutely amazing (and tragic) episode imo
      I’m still upset that Scott Hall (I think it’s his?) and Mike Awesome episodes aren’t coming this season (…or possibly NEVER due to Vice’s pending bankruptcy/shuttering) due to all the hype/word of mouth scaring their loved ones/colleagues getting cold feet over being subjected to such a documentary format. In particular, to hear more about Mike Awesome’s tragic story (and diminished stature in WCW/WWE) and self…end of life would be worth it if it meant more people were to remember him for his best work/performances (FMW/ECW and even some of his WCW matches) and ESPECIALLY his athleticism. For for as big as he was, that man not only could take bumps & punishment as he’s dishing it in equal measure…but GODDAMN WAS HE ABLE TO BE A HIGH FLYER not unlike Chris Candito (his finishers) or Undertaker (walking that tight rope with ease + occasionally going off that top turnbuckle)!
      He’s very much missed, maybe not as much as Scott Hall for most…but definitely as much to me.

    • @lilbill15
      @lilbill15 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I hope they never do a edge and Lita episode it’s such an old story and like what is really 3 people in their early to mid twenties doing something stupid and messy not surprising

  • @MAB-nj8wf
    @MAB-nj8wf 2 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    This season wasn't all that great. They really need to do a story on '97 Starrcade main event, and the backstage stories about the finish and Sting "not being there", metaphorically. Bischoff has some explaining to do...

    • @birdmanhero
      @birdmanhero 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Sting wasnt tan enough..............lol

    • @AUM_-po9sc
      @AUM_-po9sc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That story is so convoluted, I think even the Dark Side crew won't untangle this mess.

    • @Charsi_Escobar
      @Charsi_Escobar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@AUM_-po9sc good luck getting the truth out of Bischoff and Hulk 🤣

    • @gaylordfocker7990
      @gaylordfocker7990 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      He was incredibly out of shape.

    • @joshsimpson79
      @joshsimpson79 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I’m no fan of Conrad, but I felt like he pushed back pretty hard on his podcast about it. It could be interesting if Sting gave his honest thoughts, but he’s usually such a nice guy, I don’t see that happening.

  • @jasonproctor9896
    @jasonproctor9896 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Majority of these grown ass men were taking steroids way before they ever came into the WWF. It's also entertainment and steroids weren't always illegal back in the day

    • @chrischar9428
      @chrischar9428 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      What does its entertainment have to do with anything

    • @jasonproctor9896
      @jasonproctor9896 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@chrischar9428 it's not a sanctioned sport, it's entertainment. It shouldn't matter if they take steroids because the outcomes are pre-determined. Just like every professional body builder takes steroids and no one cares

    • @mrkipling2201
      @mrkipling2201 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Steroids were legal until the late 1980’s anyway. Or was it even 1990??

  • @madddoggnogood1491
    @madddoggnogood1491 2 ปีที่แล้ว +90

    This whole trial was basically "WRESTLING SUCKS LETS GET RID OF IT"

    • @TNLable
      @TNLable 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      If these people of 1990s watched the current shits we see on both WWE and AEW, maybe they will also sue Vince McMahon or Tony Khan :

    • @TJDious
      @TJDious 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And that's exactly why Vince had any success garnering sympathy.

    • @patrickobrien9482
      @patrickobrien9482 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      another trial is due so

    • @MattSingh1
      @MattSingh1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      *Not true at all, so utterly wrong: they were out to get Vince, yes, but the prosecution never went after pro wrestling itself.*

    • @madddoggnogood1491
      @madddoggnogood1491 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MattSingh1
      Going after vince is going after professional wrestling in the grand scheme.
      If wwe goes down they take all of professional wrestling on a national level down with them

  • @FoxyStoats
    @FoxyStoats 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Won't lie I saw the thumbnail before I watched the episode earlier today, my initial thought was, based on the artwork 'Ah shit, was Yokozuna on the roids as well?!'

  • @thekidfromiowa
    @thekidfromiowa 2 ปีที่แล้ว +93

    McDevitt deserves an Emmy for his performance.

    • @pittsburghbob69
      @pittsburghbob69 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      O

    • @pittsburghbob69
      @pittsburghbob69 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Pop

    • @mexmexican8619
      @mexmexican8619 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yet he still lost to the panda

    • @Charsi_Escobar
      @Charsi_Escobar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@mexmexican8619 at least Vince wasn’t at risk to go to jail with that one.

    • @Aoctw3
      @Aoctw3 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@mexmexican8619 no he didn’t. He was not allowed, as an American lawyer, to try the case over there.

  • @nealbaker4170
    @nealbaker4170 2 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    I love Corny's take on Phil Mushnick. Nailed it.

    • @mrterp04
      @mrterp04 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Agreed. The classic case of a sports writer who hates sports

  • @DaveyBlade13
    @DaveyBlade13 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    John Arezzi said the WWE sent someone to “his house” and his mother who was “living with him at the time” answered the door. Kay John. Suuuuuuure. 😂

  • @StevieDamnit
    @StevieDamnit 2 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    I really wish there was a Dark Side episode about the deadly plane crashes in the '70s but hardly any survivors are still alive with the exception of Austin Idol & I'm pretty sure Ric Flair is out of the question after the Plane Ride from Hell episode.

    • @dudebro5527
      @dudebro5527 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Ric Flair doesnt and will never have a wrestling contract again. His sponsorships are gone and no one will sign him. If he invested his money wisely, he wont do it. But if he didnt, then he will take any Paycheck offered to him

    • @reggiefields6551
      @reggiefields6551 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@dudebro5527 flair will be back by summer

    • @juniorlee9341
      @juniorlee9341 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Austin Idol wasn't on the plane crash with Flair. Idol was on the plane crash with Garry Hart and Buddy Colt. Both happened in the seventies

    • @justincredible8667
      @justincredible8667 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Darkside is loosing ratings and IN MY OPINION= PLANE RIDE FROM HELL= FLAIR & DREAMER GETTING CANCELED. If it's going to hurt wrestling or wrestling careers why would any of the wrestlers want to be apart of it now.... MY OPINION.

    • @kurtshastany1945
      @kurtshastany1945 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@juniorlee9341 he wrote 'crashes' , so im assuming he knows its more than one

  • @Calculon1712
    @Calculon1712 2 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    I think Prichard mentioned once on his show that McDevitt wasnt involved in the World Wildlife Fund lawsuit. They used someone from their London firm as it was held in the UK but they wished they did have him for it as it may have turned out differently

    • @violinfanatickamraz1403
      @violinfanatickamraz1403 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Calculon1712 I still refuse to call the world wildlife fund the WWF. They're an even bigger con job than pro wrestling.

    • @Calculon1712
      @Calculon1712 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@violinfanatickamraz1403 very true

    • @sanchez501
      @sanchez501 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@violinfanatickamraz1403 Don't know much about the World Wildlife Fund. What kind of cons have they pulled?

    • @mrcliff3709
      @mrcliff3709 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@sanchez501 I think they got some heat for selling some of the land they owned to real estate developers

  • @kenbob6123
    @kenbob6123 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Wondering if anyone else noticed Jericho only had 1 line as narrator this episode and he sounded absolutely wasted.

    • @dolandarkxgrandayy6953
      @dolandarkxgrandayy6953 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Dark Side of the Ring: Chris Jericho From Wrestling Mega Star to a Parody of Himself.

    • @mightilyoats2729
      @mightilyoats2729 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Jericho sounds absolutely wasted during every single voice-over of Dark Side

    • @jaweiss34
      @jaweiss34 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I hope they get Mick Foley back as narrator. He was much better.

    • @fernandoguajardo2750
      @fernandoguajardo2750 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Jericho is starting to look like Rawhead Rex lol.

    • @alandrak3227
      @alandrak3227 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@jaweiss34 when was Foley the narrator? season 1 was Dutch Mantell

  • @brandonizaguirre2963
    @brandonizaguirre2963 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    My dream season 4:
    - Art Barr
    - Juana Barraza
    - The Ring Boy Scandal
    - Heroes of Wrestling
    - The deaths of La Parkita and Espectrito Jr.
    - Hardbody Harrison
    - Buck Zumhofe
    - The Renegade
    - The Brutal and Toxic Dojo Culture of the 90's in Japanese wrestling.
    - Rick Rude

    • @festo8756
      @festo8756 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What about Devi's Advocate The fall of Sean o hare?

    • @mrdethbuzzard4885
      @mrdethbuzzard4885 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'd watch all of them. Great choices!!

    • @marvinalexander6796
      @marvinalexander6796 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not a bad list. I would include Chyna, Muhammad Hussain, The British Bulldog, Racism in WCW, Ring Boy scandal in WWF, and Gentleman Chris Adams. I'll even throw in Al Perez

    • @soulfox619
      @soulfox619 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Curtain call incident, Black Saturday, fall of wcw, Test, Sunny and Candido, Razor Ramon, Yokozuna, Racist lawsuit of wcw, Sherri Martel, CM Punk, XFL, WBF, Ring of Glory, Wow Women of wrestling, Iron Sheik. Mr. Perfect, Marty Jannetty. Kamala. Bam Bam Bigelow.

  • @oldschoolm8
    @oldschoolm8 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Let’s face it, WWE was blatantly providing steroids for its top talent, just look at Hogan and Warrior during the late 80’s. However, the business was changing, for better or worse, and pumped up muscle guys were the thing. It was business. Illegal or not, money is money and don’t be so naive as to think top businesses don’t dabble in the illicit underworld to make quick cash. That’s how the world works.

    • @decepticonxhunter4850
      @decepticonxhunter4850 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can say "let's face it" all you want, but it was proven in a court of law that Vince wasn't distributing steroids and the guys who admitted to using steroids admitted to using the stuff before they were ever in WWE and didn't get their supply from Vince.

  • @rommyremus9650
    @rommyremus9650 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I listened to a Jerry M interview. He was not allowed to defend the WWF during the Wildlife Fund trial. American lawyers aren’t allowed to practice in Britain because it’s different over there.

  • @iamdb1990
    @iamdb1990 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    completely disagree with Brian on this, the second half of the season of DSOTR wasn't as good as the other episodes, plus I'm annoyed with Brian for saying Jericho talks in slow motion, I can't unhear it now lol

    • @erikstorm8935
      @erikstorm8935 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I dont know what the future holds for DSOTR creatively. How many more episodes can they really make that aren't repeating the same stories? Dont get me wrong, there's been a LOT of controversial stuff in wrestling. But, only so many can be told in long documentary form. And there's some things that they wont touch like the JBL bullying allegations, because too many wrestlers are on record supporting/making excuses for it/being buddies with the guy. Ditto the Bob Holly bullying allegations. I think even CM Punk defended Holly's behavior..

  • @ThatDoesntWorkForMeBrother
    @ThatDoesntWorkForMeBrother 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Jerry McDevitt was great, but this episode was all sizzle and no steak. I guess JC and Brian are not going to talk about the XPW episode.

    • @herecomesdatrain
      @herecomesdatrain 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I thought they did but I dont they would care anyway because I assume they didn't know any of them

    • @ewauksonian
      @ewauksonian 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      All Icing No Cake

    • @chrischar9428
      @chrischar9428 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Corny didnt watch it

  • @Houndini
    @Houndini 2 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    Best part of the entertainment was? The world's most miracle self- healing on record!!! Vinnie neck brace disappearing soon as not-gulity read. Amazing Praise God it's a miracle!!!!!. Linda Call Kenneth Copeland sent more money for his new 10th fleet of new private jets.

    • @rudyrusso711
      @rudyrusso711 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Right...or the Fuckin Mafia...jeezus christ 🤣🤣🤣

    • @chriskay1449
      @chriskay1449 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Except it did not disappear.

  • @shawnkavanagh2951
    @shawnkavanagh2951 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    missed the Travis Vince faces. The shit-eating grin gets me every time.

  • @sonkakaroto9000
    @sonkakaroto9000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The XPW episode was so crazy!! I had to look away from the screen a couple of times!

  • @raulgallardo6081
    @raulgallardo6081 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Welcome back Mr Travis!

  • @kevinw8276
    @kevinw8276 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    McDevitt reminds of something from a Chris Rock special talking about Johnny Cochrane. About how you can't hire him because then you look guilty. Rock's remark was "yep.... But you're going home"

    • @only1icon1801
      @only1icon1801 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Perfectly summed up 🤣🤣🤣

  • @Barfbagdontsag
    @Barfbagdontsag 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I was more astounded that the guy who turned down the opportunity to play bass in Metallica would lie on Arsenio Hall…

  • @msmjsiajdgdhsjajahgshsjaje8990
    @msmjsiajdgdhsjajahgshsjaje8990 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    ohhh how this has aged mr cornette😂😂😂

  • @FreeMANcer
    @FreeMANcer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    YAY TRAVIS! I always love his face expressions. Especially Vince McMahon with and without the lips and googly eye.
    Yeah I was always confused about how they even got that far with Vince. There’s probably a thousand things you could nail him with, this wasn’t one of em.

  • @JimReuterskiold
    @JimReuterskiold 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Does anybody really care that professional wrestlers use steroids? They're not great for anyone's health, but neither is fried chicken. The biggest problem with steroids is that they're incredibly illegal.

    • @singaporesammy
      @singaporesammy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Well, that and 'roid rage leading to assault and destruction of property. If people can't control themselves while on a substance that substance should be controlled.

    • @greggodfrey6516
      @greggodfrey6516 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@singaporesammy how many people do you know that use gear? clearly low #s if you think that ancient rhetoric is coming outta your mouth.. gear use doesnt give you rage, you have it already, it just magnifies it.. if you never were an angry person you dont become one..

    • @tw475
      @tw475 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      No. the only thing that should be a concern is abuse. but even in the case of abuse. the media make it sound like all these guys died from steroids. no. the 80's was cocaine, the 90's was pills and that was worse, the 00's to present day was either young guys got on pills and sadly died or guys in the 80's and 90's died years later because of the damage done then.

    • @greggodfrey6516
      @greggodfrey6516 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tw475 hard drugs n gear 100% does not mix.. people like to only take a portion of the story & blow it waaaaaaay out of proportion

    • @tw475
      @tw475 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@greggodfrey6516 like the truth in these cases isn't a story enough. yes, they took the shit because of a rough schedule and the fact they had to go wrestle while hurt or didn't get paid.

  • @nygblue24
    @nygblue24 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    9:59 - oh yeah. As a NY Post reader, Mushnick DESPISES Mike Francesa. It's hilarious.

    • @foleynj86
      @foleynj86 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mushnick hates pretty much everybody. He is New York's number one curmudgeon.

    • @nygblue24
      @nygblue24 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@foleynj86 I thought that was Frank Isola. Haha

  • @foleynj86
    @foleynj86 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Some ideas for the next season: the ringboy scandal, Black Saturday, Tammy Sytch, Magnum TA motorcycle accident, the sale of JCP to Ted Turner, Ole Anderson and WCW under Jim Herd and/or Bill Watts. That way I can see Jim Cornette rant about Jim Herd for 45 minutes.

    • @bigkev3184
      @bigkev3184 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      SMH Magnum T.A didn't have a Motorcycle 🏍️ crash. Learn your history Son 🤔

  • @johnpittsii7524
    @johnpittsii7524 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Wish the episode was much longer then the one hour.

    • @kenrickeason
      @kenrickeason 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I did too.. I know it takes money to do those shows but I wish they went deeper in it..

  • @alucard21-17
    @alucard21-17 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This really aged well 😂

  • @garyhen1707
    @garyhen1707 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Travis is the man! Jim yoko cornette! And classic vinnymac. Lol

  • @user-fj3zv1yt1y
    @user-fj3zv1yt1y 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This aged like Ric Flair. wooo

  • @alvaroarriaga7828
    @alvaroarriaga7828 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    If these reporters really were against steroids. Where were during the baseball steroid scandal, lance Armstrong scandal, Barry bonds, why didn’t they attack those guys. Personal attacks on wwe. Dave n the groones. 15 mins of fame

    • @foleynj86
      @foleynj86 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Funny how they are more upset about a predetermined event rather than an actual sport using steroids.

    • @henrygvidonas9573
      @henrygvidonas9573 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What the hell are you blathering about? There was MASSIVE coverage of all of that. For years.
      Were you even alive at the time? Do you read newspapers or news magazines past the headlines on the front page?

    • @michaelmfwayne
      @michaelmfwayne 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@henrygvidonas9573 No kidding. It was a huge deal when it came out Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa, Jose Canseco and the rest were juicing. It was headline news when the players were testifying in court. In fact, it was pretty much known, but not spoken that guys were juicing back in the 80s.

  • @shenanitims4006
    @shenanitims4006 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Matt Taibbi has pointed out before that the federal government usually screws up A LOT of its high profile cases; so this shouldn’t be seen any differently. One of the downsides when all your elected officials are 80 year old millionaires. They’re extremely out of touch with the reality of their subjects.

  • @joemixon1704
    @joemixon1704 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    There may be some crimes now lol

  • @darrengordon-hill
    @darrengordon-hill 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Meltzer: "Yeah but those guys admitted to usimg steroids so it was a moral victory".

    • @darrengordon-hill
      @darrengordon-hill 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@justtguilherme MY GUY!!!

    • @steezdontgrowontrees3760
      @steezdontgrowontrees3760 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@justtguilherme lmfaooooo!!!!

    • @SpaceGhost92
      @SpaceGhost92 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@justtguilherme Best comment of all time.

    • @chriskay1449
      @chriskay1449 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Meltzer is still butt hurt Vince wasn't convicted of bogus charges.

    • @rofbagging9749
      @rofbagging9749 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Reminds me of when Canada won the moral victory on South Park

  • @HayWire90
    @HayWire90 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What i have understood on something to wrestle with, in the WWF vs WWE case in England there was a local defense team that really did bad work out there.

  • @kingston4313
    @kingston4313 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This was crazy, Bret was talking about how Vince was planning to run wwe from prison

    • @only1icon1801
      @only1icon1801 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Jerry Jarrett I believe was going to which would have been interesting, taking commands from Vince in prison

  • @insupportofjunhado
    @insupportofjunhado 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is like Dolomite, where the protagonist is clearly a criminal but the antagonist is trying to frame him for crimes he did not commit while ignoring the obvious ones he openly flaunts and brags about.

    • @malikevans2615
      @malikevans2615 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I thought you were talking about the eddie murphy movie for a second

    • @insupportofjunhado
      @insupportofjunhado 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@malikevans2615 Okay, I probably should know this but I don't. Eddie Murphy did a Dolomite?

    • @malikevans2615
      @malikevans2615 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@insupportofjunhado yup it's on Netflix it's not bad

  • @FirstLast-yh7gj
    @FirstLast-yh7gj 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I'm sure there's things Vince has done he could go to prison for lol never doubt a rich guy

    • @fishin4bass2002
      @fishin4bass2002 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      To be fair they say the average person commits 3 felonies in their lifetimes.

  • @Muertes-tf2oj
    @Muertes-tf2oj 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Dark Side of the Ring was pretty boring this season.

  • @harrisb5506
    @harrisb5506 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I’m surprised they let Mushnick on the show. He’s one of the biggest wrestling haters in the world.

    • @peterwelby
      @peterwelby 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Mushnick hates WWE and Vince McMahon. That's why he was on the show. If Mushnick was going after AEW they wouldn't have him on.

    • @michaelramone9262
      @michaelramone9262 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@peterwelby he hates wrestling

    • @meharinationsportspodcast2582
      @meharinationsportspodcast2582 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Not only that, Mushnick uses his column to spill his racist rhetoric and views on the NBA, ESPN, rap music, and black people. It's amazing how the NY Post has kept this man and should have been fired from half of the racists views he's written.

    • @OdinAesthetic
      @OdinAesthetic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thus show IS anti wwe. And certain people. I'm expecting a hulk hogan n word episode is coming.

    • @michaelramone9262
      @michaelramone9262 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Costas22 not really, if they did cornette would have never have any of the members come on to his podcast, the are JOURNALISTS and do you know know these people love to do? If you don't then research.

  • @andrewlivingston1590
    @andrewlivingston1590 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    What has McMahon ever done that he should’ve gone to prison for?
    Ask Owen.

    • @MrJjburgess11
      @MrJjburgess11 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Ask the rig team that he hired .

    • @tw475
      @tw475 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      this is that Reddit lawyer expertise huh?

    • @michaelmartino16
      @michaelmartino16 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You realize he didn’t throw Owen off the building.

    • @chriskay1449
      @chriskay1449 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      What crime did he committ there? Oh right, he never committed one.

    • @andrewlivingston1590
      @andrewlivingston1590 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Martha won the lawsuit.

  • @Renodrums-vq8nv
    @Renodrums-vq8nv 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I get so sad when Darkside season ends. It's my favorite show on TV hands down.

    • @cthulhupthagn5771
      @cthulhupthagn5771 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I used to enjoy it, but of late they've become more sensationalist. They grabbed some low-hanging fruit, and they started overdramatizing. Frankly it reminded me of the old TV show a current affair

    • @superstarreviews9937
      @superstarreviews9937 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Damn right man! And some shitty episodes! Did we really need an fmw episode?! Or a Nick gage episode?!

  • @steveknick1978
    @steveknick1978 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Was a good episode. As a kid, I can remember the issue where state athletic commissions were going to force the wrestlers to wear headgear, etc, if Vince didn’t admit that it was sports entertainment. That issue was bigger news than the steroid trial in my memory as a kid. I don’t even remember hearing much about the steroid trial at the time.
    It is funny in retrospect to realize that the shift to smaller guys, Yokozuna, etc was all motivated by the steroid issue & not just Hulk Hogan randomly deciding to leave WWF.

    • @chrischar9428
      @chrischar9428 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Headgear....wtf

    • @steveknick1978
      @steveknick1978 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@chrischar9428 it had something to do with them relating it to boxing IIRC. It’s not regulated like pro boxing, so if people were going to get hit in the head they would have to wear headgear like amateur boxing.

    • @michaelmfwayne
      @michaelmfwayne 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hogan wasn't as over with the WWF audience in 93 like he was in 90/91. They were pretty tired of him by that point.

  • @mindlessdroid3630
    @mindlessdroid3630 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    One of the best things about these videos is watching to see how Travis's art fits into the story.

  • @robertstraw9881
    @robertstraw9881 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I honestly thought this second half was the weakest they’ve done.
    I watched the episodes because they’ve done great work previously but I didn’t really care about Johnny K9, or Luna, the steroid trial, XPW or the Japanese death match promotion.
    They all seem to follow the same format.

  • @MisterE1976
    @MisterE1976 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That thumbnail is something else. Cornettezuna!

  • @matthillegas3099
    @matthillegas3099 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    YoCornZuna

  • @tobiaswilliamson00
    @tobiaswilliamson00 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    6:57 And he got inducted in April of 2014, by that point in the company, the WWE had stopped censoring the WWF Scratch Logo and started showing the WWF Scratch Logo allowed references to the World Wrestling Federation.

  • @mr.green2341
    @mr.green2341 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Maybe I’m in the minority on this opinion, but this episode was disappointing. I know some may say it’s cuz it was “just an hour” (well then make it a two parter like they have some others), but it seems a lot was left out. They show guys like Rude leaving the courthouse and mention Piper testifying, but don’t delve into any of what was said by them (learned on this clip Rude changed his testimony apparently).
    Just seemed like they only grazed the surface barely to me. 🤷‍♂️

    • @diablofn
      @diablofn 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      agreed. I've always been under the impression this was a really controversial topic, but the episode made it seem pretty straight forward. one of the least exciting episodes tbh.

  • @SheltonHull
    @SheltonHull 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I would enjoy hearing Stephen P. New's thoughts on this particular episode. If he had been the prosecutor, how would he have beaten Vince?

    • @KennyOmegasCavity
      @KennyOmegasCavity 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Vince shouldve called Steven after the trial to sue people

  • @The765Das
    @The765Das 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    the truth won’t be really told on Vince until he’s gone, and maybe not even then..

    • @MisterE1976
      @MisterE1976 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Say it again, say it again...in Pinky's voice!!

  • @MsDboyy
    @MsDboyy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    To not have a single answer as to whether Vince McMahon ever was directly responsible or indirectly responsible for something that would mean Vince deserves to go to jail 🙄🤷‍♂️ I would think they don’t know anything about Vince McMahon lol or just clearly have a biased for McMahon lol 💯

  • @a-void6774
    @a-void6774 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Running a porn studio without a license 😂

  • @nocontextpoppapump
    @nocontextpoppapump 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    One thing is for sure. There is 166 2/3 percents chance that the big bad booty daddy did not use steroids. My pythons are natural because I’m a GENETIC FREAK and I’m NOT NORMAL. Holler, if you here me.

  • @user-do2ev2hr7h
    @user-do2ev2hr7h 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I don't necessarily think Vince actually conspired to distribute steroids per se, but it seems that he tacitly let certain things go on backstage at his shows that he probably should not have.

    • @MrJjburgess11
      @MrJjburgess11 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      All those guys that were on them came into the company already on them. It's a don't ask don't tell situation.

    • @user-do2ev2hr7h
      @user-do2ev2hr7h 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@MrJjburgess11 That's kind of my point though, Vince and the brass knew it was happening and looked the other way when they probably should have said something like "what you do on you're own time is your business, but there can't be even a whiff of steroids within the confines of our locker room/building.

    • @maxxdahl6062
      @maxxdahl6062 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He was like a mob boss. Telling people to get bigger without actually saying take roids.

    • @MrJjburgess11
      @MrJjburgess11 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@user-do2ev2hr7h well in all fairness. They weren't illegal untill the early 90s. So in the 80s I don't see an issue.

  • @matthewhostetter8974
    @matthewhostetter8974 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    The best part of this episode was all the AEW diehards were hoping this would be the Ultimate Hit Piece of Vince and the Evil Empire that is WWE. Instead, it showed that Vince is a mastermind and played 5D Chess, just as he currently does with AEW.

    • @Captain_AAhab
      @Captain_AAhab 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Nah kid, Vince is more like a magician.
      He makes talent and viewership disappear.

    • @Tittymaster
      @Tittymaster 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @TheJoeGreene I just checked, SmackDown is stagnating around 2.2 million and Raw actually shrunk to around 1.6 million viewers in recent months (with both audiences still being vastly overaged). There are a lot of ways to stick it to AEW, but this ain't it. 😂

    • @Tittymaster
      @Tittymaster 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@TheJoeGreene Raw had its smallest audience ever not in 2020, but on this year's July 5th at 1.47 million. Viewership climbed then a bit and peaked on August 23rd at 2.07 million, and now is back down to around 1.6 million for the last three weeks straight. Raw also had its lowest 18-49 rating in history just two weeks ago on October 18th at 0.39/510k. The numbers don't lie, and they still spell disaster!

    • @henrygvidonas9573
      @henrygvidonas9573 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      "Vince played 5D chess..."
      Against an opponent that couldn't even get the dates and locations in their paperwork right and made first-week-of-law-school mistakes.
      Man, you're easily impressed. Let me show you the files from back when I sued the city because the garbage truck backed into my fence. That'll REALLY blow your mind!

    • @Mr.Classic91
      @Mr.Classic91 ปีที่แล้ว

      Still believe that ?😆🤣

  • @jonathancarlson6127
    @jonathancarlson6127 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    “The staff of WFAN…”? Did Last mean WWE or sports radio 660am/1019fm WFAN NY?

  • @Dyler
    @Dyler 2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    "What would you send Vince to prison for?"
    How about aiding and abetting in the murder of Nancy Argento?

    • @user-do2ev2hr7h
      @user-do2ev2hr7h 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Considering how long it took them to even stand a chance of getting Snuka in court, it seems like it would be incredibly hard to prove anything against Vince at this point. Sad to say, but the boat of doing anything in that case has probably sailed.

    • @pleaseshutup7053
      @pleaseshutup7053 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What did Vince do?

    • @AnsticePalo
      @AnsticePalo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@pleaseshutup7053 Paid off the police...
      allegedly. I only add that for legal reasons. :P

    • @pleaseshutup7053
      @pleaseshutup7053 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@AnsticePalo wow Vince a G for real instead of selling drugs he sells body slams.

    • @standardofexcellence
      @standardofexcellence 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Or Jim helwig and or Chris Benoit

  • @chewydewok
    @chewydewok 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dark Side of the Ring could have probably done an episode on McDevitt's perspective of the steroid trail.

  • @lastsinnersa8002
    @lastsinnersa8002 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This episode alone perfectly displays why Wade Keller was on Jim's S**t list. And you can't hate on McDevitt. Poorly constructed case deserves to be obliterated.

    • @Charsi_Escobar
      @Charsi_Escobar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Like JR said, I’m calling that guy if I’m ever in deep shit. That man is a legend

    • @Rando1975
      @Rando1975 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't think they even needed McDevitt. The prosecution was so inept a recent law school graduate could have won.

  • @jims.6393
    @jims.6393 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    This episode shouldn't of been the season finale. The Luna episode should've closed this season.

    • @rogregg29445
      @rogregg29445 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Xpw one cause that was crazy as fuck

    • @jims.6393
      @jims.6393 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rogregg29445 - ok that one too!

  • @pleaseshutup7053
    @pleaseshutup7053 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I had no idea uncle Dave knew Vince and had conversations with him. But at least now I got some insight why he hates wwe so much lol

    • @Maxx_d13
      @Maxx_d13 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Did you just start watching wrestling? Wtf wwf is why he’s relevant… do some good history before you comment

    • @jaweiss34
      @jaweiss34 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Maxx_d13 I’m thinking they’ve got to be joking lol. Dave has written about wrestling for 40+ years of course he’s talked to Vince

    • @DavePainkiller
      @DavePainkiller 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Meltzer was employed by Vince and the WWE YEARS ago, to write in favor of them (public knowledge for years now). He's a jack off, as well as Alvarez.

    • @tw475
      @tw475 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Vince probably didn't know a fucking thing about him at that point. he was the guy that the media got because they didn't know a single thing about the workings of wrestling.

    • @tw475
      @tw475 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jaweiss34 during the decline of popularity in the 90's. but Vince wasn't talking to him in the 80's or after the attitude era got going.

  • @heisensaul5538
    @heisensaul5538 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was a solid season. It wasnt as good as season 2, but still really good. The episode about XPW was better imo than it had any right to be. The story about two guys showing up at John Arezzi's house to intimidate him made me laugh b/c of how untrue it sounded. The Nick Gage episode I didn't care for b/c I don't like that type of wrestling and as Jim would say it's a bunch of outlaw mud show bullshit. The Chris Kanyon episode was weak, but I felt it wasn't a bad episode and the Luna Vachon episode made me sad for her and really dislike Sable even more than I already had. A few episodes I'd like to see for season 4: the life and death of Joanie Laruer, The WCW racism lawsuit, Black Saturday, and the ring boy scandal. Those would be the one's I'd love to see.

  • @patrickboian8545
    @patrickboian8545 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Loved all the legal jargin. From getting Hogan out of trial to all the shit wrestler testimonies. Absolutely wonderful.

  • @Wridde23
    @Wridde23 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    For Season 4 - Dark Side should include: The Monday Night war, Magnum TA, ECW, etc.

    • @welcometothemovies9157
      @welcometothemovies9157 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't see how magnum TA would've been a dark side episode. Yeah he's the biggest what if of wrestling but his accident was a freak weather occurrence

  • @ericjohnson6105
    @ericjohnson6105 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This plants the seed of doubt that the Fed only goes to court when they have a slam dunk case. It seems that Vince himself could not have scripted this any better.

  • @AlexOCPMurphy
    @AlexOCPMurphy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Glad this thumbnail art is back.

  • @kennethnoisewater8170
    @kennethnoisewater8170 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What has Vince done he can go to jail for? Paying off cops when Superfly killed a woman.

  • @TheeCoachg
    @TheeCoachg 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The most you could accuse Vince of was fostering an environment where hyper muscularity guaranteed success and even then,guys like The Warlord were still lower midcard guys. Its the equivalent of going to work at a restaurant where all the women have blonde hair but you’re a brunette…they arent going to explicitly tell you to dye your hair but if 10 other blondes come in behind you…your chances are slim to none and slim just left town.

    • @blacknapalm2131
      @blacknapalm2131 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      *Nicely put haha*

    • @michaelmfwayne
      @michaelmfwayne 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Warlord might have been a star if he could work and had charisma.

  • @chrisstoecker7189
    @chrisstoecker7189 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Technically it was "dismayed" to see Muschnick was alive not wishing he was dead necessarily and I can't say I don't understand why Jim feels that way

  • @6ANUR34DT81S
    @6ANUR34DT81S 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Outside of this, I still love all of this Vince hate but we wouldn't have AEW or anything relevant in wrestling if it wasn't for him. The business will owe that man forever.

  • @dnakatomiuk
    @dnakatomiuk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wasn't it said that around that time taken steroids was like taken pain killers it was legal, I swear that was the Warlord who stated that

    • @Charsi_Escobar
      @Charsi_Escobar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      McDevitt said that in the episode

  • @MrVictoria69
    @MrVictoria69 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Vince one of the heaviest users for sure💉

    • @therealnickynurotic8930
      @therealnickynurotic8930 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      But how is he still alive ? 😖

    • @Mr.Classic91
      @Mr.Classic91 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah you cant be 80 and jacked like that

    • @MrVictoria69
      @MrVictoria69 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Dino Vasiljevic Guaranteed. Still on shit I bet.

    • @MrVictoria69
      @MrVictoria69 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Vince loved being on shit💉

  • @bash8387
    @bash8387 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Is that where Sammy sosa pretended not to speak English wait my bad wrong trial lol

  • @bigsteve8921
    @bigsteve8921 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Vince Got jammed up because 1. He's defiant. 2. All the other sports had the steroid problems but were untouchable to government had to show they had something so vince got caught up

  • @fishin4bass2002
    @fishin4bass2002 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was stupid in my opinion. Out of all the problems in the world I think steroids is at the bottom of the list of most important

  • @therealzeel3081
    @therealzeel3081 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really disappointed that there was no mention of Stephen P. New.

  • @benzion8885
    @benzion8885 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The ring boy scandal

  • @HeroVillan5
    @HeroVillan5 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wanted to watch this video just to see what Jim cornette said about Phil mushnick still love his rant on him from years ago actually probably United the wrestling fans at the time because no matter what they liked they all can hate on him and rightfully so.

  • @GenGamesUniverse
    @GenGamesUniverse 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I always laughed at the Hogan bit, because he always swore down he wouldn't backstab Vince and there he was, backstabbing Vince because he was working for Turner

    • @michaelmfwayne
      @michaelmfwayne 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hogan sabotaged Vince at every opportunity, yet when Warrior wanted his payday, he was like, "let's go rough him up". Meanwhile, not only did he testify against Vince, ans try to put him under during the MNW, Hogan absolutely no sold the WWF championship while he was in Japan.

  • @Raven34643
    @Raven34643 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Even from the viewpoint of just common sense, the charges make no sense. Anyone Vince was willing to hire in the late 80s was likely already juicing or he wouldn't of hired them in the first place. He had no need to be their dealer and, even if he did introduce them to a willing physician, it was legal at the time.

    • @MBM1117727
      @MBM1117727 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think it comes from a lack of understanding about the wrestling business and a misconception that its all one big monopoly controlled by McMahon

    • @Raven34643
      @Raven34643 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MBM1117727 Or perhaps the idea was just to make an example out of the most successful promoter. Either way, it's interesting to contemplate the direction WWF could have gone in if Vince was sent to the slammer.

    • @MBM1117727
      @MBM1117727 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Raven34643 Very true! For one thing it's very hard to imagine a WWF owned by Jerry Jarrett!

  • @blacknapalm2131
    @blacknapalm2131 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    *Today it's totally legal it's called TRT you just need a doctors prescription*
    TRT rocks by the way haha

  • @josefk8291
    @josefk8291 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Jim I love your podcast and perhaps I've missed something but I'm trying to get an autograph from your website for my wife and nothing loads when I go to the merchandise section.

    • @gayrambo4529
      @gayrambo4529 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He shuts down the site to catch up on orders. It's basically just him and his wife processing everything.

    • @josefk8291
      @josefk8291 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gayrambo4529 Ahhhh got it! Thank you very much . I was just curious but that answers that. Thank you for the info man.

  • @TheeCoachg
    @TheeCoachg 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This really showed Meltzer,Arezzi and Wade Keller as just….Nerds or Marks. Like these guys entire life is dedicated to a fake sport,which dont get me wrong I was once a hardcore wrestling fan myself but they really live for gossiping and social climbing around something thats not real. Thats why Vince got off too…these are like actors taking steroids,they aren’t having legitimate shoot fights or amateur fights where unknown strength matters. Even Muschnik says “Well his brand is built on taking your vitamins and saying prayers” …thats Working yourself into a Shoot and realistically he was taking vitamins and saying his prayers,so what?

  • @gaurangpatankar164
    @gaurangpatankar164 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Travis is so great he can make Vince look younger just by few changes

  • @only1icon1801
    @only1icon1801 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Was I the only one who found McDevitt full of shit? Really cringing at what he was saying, especially the Stephanie part and holding back the "tears". Would make a fantastic heel

    • @RyanS881
      @RyanS881 ปีที่แล้ว

      Usually I'd agree e.i. Owen Hart stuff but in this episode he came off articulate and intelligent, the Stephanie stuff very see through

  • @RAWIsYours
    @RAWIsYours 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    😂😂😂Only one who really was on Steroids Abuse and or ROID RAGE was Jimmy Snuka, Don Maraco, Lex Luger, Hercules, Ken Shamrock, Chris Benoit , Test, Sid Vicious, Kane, Dino Bravo, Big Poppa pump AKA Scott Steiner, Crush, Adam Bomb, Nikita Koloff, Umaga, Taz, Hardcore Holly, #WWE #VinceMcMahon #JimRoss #JimCornette

  • @angelyaluhhhh9130
    @angelyaluhhhh9130 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At this point Vice and Dark side of the Ring producers need to be stopped smh. They been lacking since the flair controversy and if I were Vince and Company I would immediately shut them down. They only get attention when talking about wwe

    • @henrygvidonas9573
      @henrygvidonas9573 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      "Shut them down"... how exactly? Walk us through that process, step by step, please!
      Every second of a "Dark Side" episode gets checked and vetted by Vice TV's lawyers before it airs.

  • @kagemaru259
    @kagemaru259 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Cornezuna?

  • @jorgebarrera2165
    @jorgebarrera2165 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Needs to be a Jim Herd episode

  • @liljroc4620
    @liljroc4620 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is Phil related to Sam Muchnik?? That could explain everything……….