Jim Cornette on The Luna Vachon Episode Of Dark Side Of The Ring

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  • From Episode 403 of the Jim Cornette Experience
    Guest Artist: Coyote Duran (www.coyotedura... & / coyoteduran )
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  • @dvon1097
    @dvon1097 2 ปีที่แล้ว +238

    Gangrel almost had me in tears. You could tell he really loved her and leaving her was the hardest thing he had to do. I am glad hes in a good place because he was such a nice guy when I met him several years ago.

    • @TexasHollowEarth
      @TexasHollowEarth 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Loved his OG Impaler DDT finisher on Shotgun. Shame Vince had him nerf it early-on. Gangrel is the most hardcore vampire-wrestler 👍.

    • @Lingerer_
      @Lingerer_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Definitely too nice of a dude to be released for his shirt coming untucked

    • @ladybfromnyc
      @ladybfromnyc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      I met him and I told him how much I admired Luna and how much I respected her as a woman and as a superstar. I told him how much I felt she was COMPLETELY underappreciated and that if anyone needed to show appreciation and respect for Luna, SABLE should be kissing her ass for the push she gave her!
      His response.....he said if she was here and I told her this....she would be in TEARS because of how touched she'd feel. He is such a sweetheart and he has my respect 100000%

    • @ivanidlehand9651
      @ivanidlehand9651 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Gangrel is a true professional wrestler in a very unprofessional ran business.

    • @sheepdavis
      @sheepdavis ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Lingerer_ that's a myth

  • @propaneK1982
    @propaneK1982 2 ปีที่แล้ว +144

    Luna wasnt a bad looking woman & I always enjoyed her intergender matches more than her work with the women. She kind of opened the door for Chyna in my opinion

    • @michaelvaughn8864
      @michaelvaughn8864 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      No, sir, not at all. In fact, I thought she was cute and attractive when she was younger. She was a very interesting, but ultimately, a very tragically doomed woman😒 she had many facets to her life, including her marriage to 'Gangrel' Dave Heath, which I didn't know of until about a year ago when he was interviewed

    • @propaneK1982
      @propaneK1982 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@michaelvaughn8864 all of which ironically was pretty much Chyna story & demise as well. Luna was a better worker and was more immediately attractive but Chyna had a hell of a short lived career.

    • @michaelvaughn8864
      @michaelvaughn8864 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@propaneK1982 There certainly are similarities between the 2 late ladies, sir. It's saddening they're no longer with us😔 Luna, to me, was the more talented in comparison. They both left a permanent mark in the wrestling biz👍 R.I.P. Luna Vachon / Joanie 'Chyna' Laurer😇

    • @jonmccormick8683
      @jonmccormick8683 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Need to see Luna's Florida work where Kevin Sullivan shaves 1/2 her head and she joins up with Kevin Sullivan's freak show. -Pure wrestling gold.

    • @michaelvaughn8864
      @michaelvaughn8864 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jonmccormick8683 It didn't get any better than Kevin Sullivan & his Army of Darkness, Mr. McCormick👍 I had no inkling the late Luna Vachon was a member

  • @Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma
    @Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma 2 ปีที่แล้ว +94

    I still remember the story about X-Pac bitching that Luna got a 6 rating for strength in the WWF Raw game while Kid only got a 4. Seeing as how Waltman was built like Kate Moss back then it was accurate, if anything giving him a 4 was probably being generous.

    • @nbaldwin45
      @nbaldwin45 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Plus I can well imagine that Luna was fucking strong. Not Chyna strong but a fuckton stronger than the likes of Sable, Kat or Debra

    • @shamarbeckham2643
      @shamarbeckham2643 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      😂😂😂😂

    • @cfhcowboy9292
      @cfhcowboy9292 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lmfao

    • @MaxxCoyote
      @MaxxCoyote 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I feel I should point out that, Shawn Michaels is ranked the Strongest character in the game, with a strength of 8/10.
      Putting him higher than Luger, Diesel, Razor, and the Undertaker.

    • @skeletonfish110
      @skeletonfish110 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@MaxxCoyote Diesel was/is a weakling

  • @justpaula2479
    @justpaula2479 2 ปีที่แล้ว +195

    Luna is so overlooked as a tremendous influence in women’s wrestling. Folks usually recall the 💩 with Sable. They forget what a great valet she was, she could cut a good promo, she could work, and she was smart…she was a freaking genius to be able to make Sable look decent. I was always such a Luna fan, and I am happy Dark Side of the Ring highlighted her and how great she was in the ring. It also shed light on why she was such a tortured soul and felt the need to self medicate.

    • @Knowa1111
      @Knowa1111 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      QA a events like do we get a debit card for

    • @tazzhardwick1316
      @tazzhardwick1316 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      She's only overlooked by children grown-ups are very familiar with her.

    • @thesupremepizzaking
      @thesupremepizzaking 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      If not for the two Vinces, we might have never had to suffer through Sable's terrible promos.

    • @thekidfromiowa
      @thekidfromiowa 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      I'm surprised Luna didn't suffer a career ending back injury from carrying Sable.

    • @unknownkingdom
      @unknownkingdom 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah she knew how to park cars

  • @jvharbin8337
    @jvharbin8337 2 ปีที่แล้ว +87

    Wasn't Penelope Paradise the one that specifically said "every girl has a moolah story"?

  • @NORWOODShadow
    @NORWOODShadow 2 ปีที่แล้ว +96

    I was shocked how attractive she was before all the drugs and everything. She was gorgeous.

    • @danlc95
      @danlc95 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yep

    • @michaelvaughn8864
      @michaelvaughn8864 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah, it's a shame how all the narcotics and deep depression she took and suffered from over the years ruined her good looks. She actually was hot🔥 before she went thru all the bad stuff in her later years😒 R.I.P. Luna Vachon😇

    • @E_l_l_i_e
      @E_l_l_i_e 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Luna had a cute face. Bull Nakano is pretty too.

  • @TheAJUniverse
    @TheAJUniverse 2 ปีที่แล้ว +177

    This artwork literally made me chuckle and say "what the fuck" out loud.

    • @racineurr.8924
      @racineurr.8924 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'mall mixed up with the artwork. Who's in charge now? Old style or new comic style?

    • @fangerboardin4741
      @fangerboardin4741 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@racineurr.8924 Travis is slowly getting back into the swing of things for now its a volatile beautiful mix

    • @MetalMilitia83
      @MetalMilitia83 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@racineurr.8924 I prefer the old shitter art tbh. lol it just fit so perfectly

    • @fartylard8612
      @fartylard8612 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      lmaoas

  • @StevieDamnit
    @StevieDamnit 2 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    Corngrel was originally supposed to be the manager for The Brood, but instead opted to run developmental in Transylvania Valley Wrestling.

    • @eamonwright7488
      @eamonwright7488 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I know it’s immaterial towards the discussion, but I have to give you props for the 154 avatar. Definitely one of my favorite albums of all time. Cheers!

  • @drewc7239
    @drewc7239 2 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    Gangrel Is actually my wrestling trainer here at CCW, Down to earth and honest. Cool dude and much respect.

    • @seanlove3906
      @seanlove3906 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bull 💩

    • @jrwizz
      @jrwizz ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Tell him i said he deserved so much better then what he got in wwf. Hes awesome

  • @MADGUNSMONSTER
    @MADGUNSMONSTER 2 ปีที่แล้ว +134

    The most annoying thing was Luna not being acknowledged after her match with Sable. That's another entry in Satan's Book of Charges against Vincent Kennedy McMahon.
    Also, she was dedicated to and in love with a business that wasn't in love with her.

    • @dnakatomiuk
      @dnakatomiuk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Like Bret Hart and the ones who grew up and worked the business like Cornette. Just Bret would go on about it far too much we get what he's on about but he just needed to put it to bed once and for all

    • @brettbanta2100
      @brettbanta2100 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      “Good shit, pal!”

    • @darensparks
      @darensparks 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@brettbanta2100 😂

    • @kishoremb9809
      @kishoremb9809 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That was heartbreaking

    • @MADGUNSMONSTER
      @MADGUNSMONSTER 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@kishoremb9809 It was....

  • @Thecallmemisterajp
    @Thecallmemisterajp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    Always thought Luna and Sherri from 93 was an underrated program. The big cat fight on Raw where Sherri got her revenge from Mania was a cool early Raw moment.

    • @leeberry689
      @leeberry689 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      RIGHT ON THE MONEY!!!!!
      That was one of the longest and best catfights I've ever seen. They need to put that whole segment on YT.

    • @michaelvaughn8864
      @michaelvaughn8864 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@leeberry689 I'm kinda amazed somebody hasn't yet posted it after all these years, Mr. Berry😳

    • @E_l_l_i_e
      @E_l_l_i_e 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      And when they beat up Rob Bartlett 😆

  • @ELPRES1DENTE45
    @ELPRES1DENTE45 2 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    We need a Cornette version of HBK's theme.
    "I'm just a Corny boy."

    • @mikehicks304
      @mikehicks304 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      " Not your yes boy" second line.

    • @herzkine
      @herzkine 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      So ypu didnt see the SX tape of him and his wife where he comes withva Rackett only and sings: im just a horny boy...i want to be you boy toy...while she answers. You are my corny boy..get me some more boy toy

  • @lastsinnersa8002
    @lastsinnersa8002 2 ปีที่แล้ว +151

    That episode was something else. Welcome amount of actual wrestling content. Freaking tragic. As the episode ending emphasised, if only the women's division had reached what it is now while Luna was in the ring. Imagine her with Rhea Ripley, Charlotte Flair or Britt Baker. Also glad to see her son, Van. He was on Hell's Kitchen and ended up making a good career in the culinary industry. You can see aspects of Luna's intensity in him.

    • @michaelkeller5927
      @michaelkeller5927 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Wasn't Van the insecure guy who argued with Jean Phillipe that one episode? Dude was portrayed as a dickhole

    • @JohnSmith-xg9wx
      @JohnSmith-xg9wx 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Luna would be retired by now but she could have done great things with Trish, Lita, Molly, Victoria, Gail and Jazz. She already worked some with Ivory and Jackie. She just missed that golden era.

    • @glennross85
      @glennross85 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@JohnSmith-xg9wx No, Luna would have exposed all those people for the trash they were, she was on a other level.

    • @georgiabulldogs3129
      @georgiabulldogs3129 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@michaelkeller5927 that was him

    • @SairajRKamath
      @SairajRKamath ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Haha, you bet, I just saw a podcast featuring Van and he doesn't take shit from anybody, just like his mom

  • @WorldsOkayestSorcerer
    @WorldsOkayestSorcerer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    That woman scared me more than any scary movie I ever watched.
    She was terrifying.
    I can still hear her growling and hissing, “Sable,” in my head and it still runs a chill up my spine.
    Which means she knew how to work.
    Female wrestlers like Luna could teach these modern women a thing or three.

    • @anthonyharris4234
      @anthonyharris4234 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Sables voice was way more scarier

    • @herzkine
      @herzkine 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      ..as if anyone ever realized what she said...no blood for ears left among her fans :-D

    • @daviddoyle8956
      @daviddoyle8956 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      She'd be good for Freddy Kruger lol

  • @nabinkhadka788
    @nabinkhadka788 2 ปีที่แล้ว +76

    Loved the last quote of Mick Foley about Luna. She would've been proud of today's women wrestling

    • @kellyvaters1689
      @kellyvaters1689 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Bullshit. Everything great about modern women's wrestling exists in spite of Moolah's influence, not because of it. Mildred Burke's legacy has triumphed here.

    • @symbiote1982pk
      @symbiote1982pk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@kellyvaters1689 who mentioned Moolah? You're projecting fella.

    • @jaweiss34
      @jaweiss34 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@kellyvaters1689 They’re saying Luna would be proud of women’s wrestling today, not Moolah lol

    • @AWX_Wrestling
      @AWX_Wrestling 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I censor a comment it gets deleted. I say Fuck TH-cam and they don't care. Does that make sense to anyone?

    • @kellyvaters1689
      @kellyvaters1689 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @TheJoeGreene And you have the empathy of one. Thanks to the likes of John Laurinaitis, WWE's women's division is back to piss-break filler quality. The entire Queen's Crown tournament lasted under 30 minutes. AEW's is starting to outstrip it, but it's still not up to the level it could be.

  • @jessepaiz6356
    @jessepaiz6356 2 ปีที่แล้ว +109

    Van wasnt just on Hells Kitchen. He is probably the most popular contestant ever on the show. Guy has a magnetic personality and is a hell of chef. He got robbed in his second season.

    • @dnakatomiuk
      @dnakatomiuk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I couldn't believe he was her son I really couldn't, I watched a little of it and was like i know that guy from somewhere

    • @sheepdavis
      @sheepdavis 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@dnakatomiuk I couldn't believe it when I read it. Two people who couldn't appear to be any more different!

    • @InsignificantNick
      @InsignificantNick 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I loved when he almost fought Jean-Philippe lmao

    • @whiskeyandcigarettes2785
      @whiskeyandcigarettes2785 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah I watched the episode and thought I know I've seen him before and when jim said it my mind was blown

    • @walsh9080
      @walsh9080 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah that was BS when he was eliminated the second time. He nailed it all season and had one mediocre night on the fish station and got eliminated. Only because he's an expert in cooking fish, so was judged more harshly. He was far better than most of the remaining contestants.

  • @kca49
    @kca49 2 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    She became her character. I remember when she was managing Golddust in the late 90s. That was some crazy shit.

    • @alextellez2948
      @alextellez2948 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The Artist formerly known as Goldust

    • @takerdust
      @takerdust 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That partnership is how i came up with this username as a kid back then, lol. MansonDust, Vaderdust etc.

    • @kca49
      @kca49 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@adriancarlos9155 Macho Man comes to mind. Lol

    • @kshinokevin
      @kshinokevin 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​​​​@@kca49- I would call that team, "Macho Madness," if Miss Elizabeth didn't became Savage's valet/manager. That would have been fun and wild: especially promo wise (unhinged, of course). Ooh, Yeah !!!! There was one gal known as "Miss Madness" or "Mona" in WCW (Molly Holly).

  • @sprnightfire
    @sprnightfire 2 ปีที่แล้ว +94

    I enjoyed Luna as a kid. Also she's the first woman wrestler to appear in a wrestling video game WWF RAW.

    • @mattharper1242
      @mattharper1242 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      First woman in a WWF game. The Fire Pro Joshi game came before

    • @alikayyal9050
      @alikayyal9050 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@mattharper1242 yeah all of 4 people who know this game existed agree with you

    • @mattharper1242
      @mattharper1242 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@alikayyal9050 does that really matter? Or is history just subjective now?

    • @mr.x9566
      @mr.x9566 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Cutie Suzuki: No Ringside Angel
      Mega Drive 1990.

    • @planexshifter
      @planexshifter 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@mattharper1242 History has always been subjective. But yes, Ali sure is being a douche.

  • @mytime991
    @mytime991 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Just watched this episode last night and I can finally understand Jim’s hatred to Sable, Vince, and Russo with clear eyes

    • @dakliq420
      @dakliq420 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't think Corny hates Vince. Doesn't like everything he does,but I do feel there's respect for him.

  • @ShaunMichaels2310
    @ShaunMichaels2310 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    It broke my heart to hear no one gave Luna appreciation at WrestleMania for doing what she did for Sable during that match. And like Brian, I first saw her at WM9 and was terrified.

    • @Bubba__Sawyer
      @Bubba__Sawyer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      That was such bullshit. They wanted her to go out there and make Sable look strong and to not scratch her up. She did exactly that. Scumbags.

    • @RobertEllis-e7p
      @RobertEllis-e7p ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What I like about Jim Cornette is he tells it like it is. Just the facts, ma'm! Or in his case, sir😂!

    • @davidmurphy3214
      @davidmurphy3214 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Luna should have put a beating on sable. Sable was too overrated.

    • @tiffa808
      @tiffa808 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I heard Owen heart did.

  • @richardpreston7333
    @richardpreston7333 2 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    You can hear Jim's heart breaking when he's talking about how great she was.

    • @iamcasihart
      @iamcasihart ปีที่แล้ว

      @@VaderPopsVicodin10Sherri deserves a documentary or episode of DSOTR. She is so missed. What a presence she possessed! She was absolutely gorgeous and so brilliant with whatever they gave her to do.

  • @anthonysmith8321
    @anthonysmith8321 2 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    I always liked Luna team up with Bam Bam

    • @smarkslowplay3512
      @smarkslowplay3512 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Never understood why they didn't do more with em. Instead of lame feuds with Doink n Booger

    • @anthonysmith8321
      @anthonysmith8321 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@smarkslowplay3512 that was the only role I liked her in. I didn't care for the other stuff. I always thought she was scary for a female.

  • @jesterr7133
    @jesterr7133 2 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    Dave Heath (Gangrel) is a dude I have really grown to like in the last couple of years. I have seen multiple interviews that he has done, and he always comes across as humble, honest, and genuinely seems to be a decent human being. I have really been impressed by him, and I hate it that he was never given a chance to get a run at the top, because he seems to be a really good person.

    • @Chaz4543
      @Chaz4543 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I think in the Attitude era it was hard to get to the top because it was so competitive and he was never going to be a top guy in the WWE with that gimmick but yeah he could have at least got a short IC or European title run but I remember him losing all his matches for title shots. They wouldnt even let him beat X Pac for the European title, I think that match was on Smackdown IIRC. I always hear rumors about how Vince McMahon didnt like the gimmick and Russo was the one pushing it.

    • @qkomodo9098
      @qkomodo9098 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      On top of that, he has among the most underappreciated pieces of music Jim Johnston has ever made

    • @plutoniumcore
      @plutoniumcore 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I concur. And, this is the 1st time I saw Gangrel with regular teeth.

    • @Craig_Fulk
      @Craig_Fulk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@qkomodo9098 That entrance tho. So badass. I always wondered whether or not the people that sat by the ring stairs would get sprayed by the "blood", and if so, whether they would try to avoid or embrace it. I was a weird kid.

    • @adriancarlos9155
      @adriancarlos9155 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Trust me Luna was the one knocking him around not the other way around, that was no act Luna was the type of woman who would cut your throat while you were asleep

  • @jvharbin8337
    @jvharbin8337 2 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    I Love Luna Vachon. Always have, always will.

    • @charlessaints
      @charlessaints 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      she was good at what she did and she was soo pretty

    • @jvharbin8337
      @jvharbin8337 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@charlessaints Dude! I 100% agree! They had to ug her up big time to make her into a Heel. She had tits and ass, a nice waist with a pretty face, but she wanted to be more than that. She wanted to downplay that and have people focus on the action and the story being told in the ring not some beauty pageant! She was above being a Diva. She was a proper wrestler and an all around Tough Lady. She is the only woman I have ever seen on Tv that made me actually believe she could go toe to toe with a grown man in a fist fight and WIN! I completely understand why she didn't accept Madusa's most gracious offer. She wanted a true title run where the title had been given to her by the promoter. She didnt want to steal the title for one night of glory only to be stripped and never booked again!

    • @CarlosMedina-vj7ot
      @CarlosMedina-vj7ot 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@jvharbin8337 That Madusa story just makes me respect her that much more.

    • @jvharbin8337
      @jvharbin8337 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CarlosMedina-vj7ot same!

    • @heidiheisele8608
      @heidiheisele8608 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@CarlosMedina-vj7otyeah Medusa was trying to help her, but no one wants pity help, if that's what it was

  • @benespinosa6725
    @benespinosa6725 2 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    I Learned something new while watching this Episode of Dark side of the Ring I had no idea that Luna was Canadian and I enjoyed her Pairing with Gangrel it Added to Gangrel's Gimmick and this Artwork of Gangrel and Luna looks awesome props to Coyote Duran.

    • @xxjaime562xx
      @xxjaime562xx 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Shes not Canadian. The Vachons are.

    • @xxjaime562xx
      @xxjaime562xx 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      He met her mom in Atlanta when she was 4.

    • @benespinosa6725
      @benespinosa6725 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@xxjaime562xx oh my mistake I Just Looked at Wikipedia and now I understand thanks for letting me know.

    • @benespinosa6725
      @benespinosa6725 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@xxjaime562xx that's very interesting.

  • @johnytwotimes4072
    @johnytwotimes4072 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    I love who they interview for these episodes. It's not the best known people who knew the subject but the people who knew the subject best or at least the ones willing to talk about it. Dark Side has more respect for wrestling than most

    • @symbiote1982pk
      @symbiote1982pk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That's what I like about it, they don't glamorise or over dramatise everything, they just let people tell their stories.

    • @skippythealien9627
      @skippythealien9627 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Best example of this was getting Scott Norton on for the North Korea episode. I literally only remembered him from the WCW vs. NWO World Tour game as the dude who looked like he was screaming at someone in his character selection screen lmfao...but he was there and had a ton of crazy shit happen to him on that trip so I'm glad Vice interviewed him

  • @MilMaska
    @MilMaska 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    "One time Luna had to hit Sable in the back. She was pushing the belt in to her back. Like that. Because she was afraid to get hurt" - Jim Cornette

    • @layna-heyhey
      @layna-heyhey 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      that's like going to walk through a horse farm, and be afraid you'll get horse crap on your shoes.

    • @Bubba__Sawyer
      @Bubba__Sawyer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was surprised the episode completely skipped the Royal Rumble '99 story.

  • @adriancarlos9155
    @adriancarlos9155 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Loved Luna, her name does not get mentioned enough, truly up there with the best females that did it like the guys Sheri Martel, Madusa, Jackie Moore and Luna

  • @JoJo-ie8sl
    @JoJo-ie8sl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    She was too ahead of her time. Shame she never got the respect she deserved.

  • @kiprandom7208
    @kiprandom7208 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Luna was like Wendy O. Williams as a kid I was scared and didn't know why I liked that.

    • @seanswinton6242
      @seanswinton6242 ปีที่แล้ว

      Great comparison. That's who she reminded me of. I just watched the program they are discussing and it was the first time I'd ever seen Luna Vachon. It was seeing Hell's Kitchen with her son Van that made me seek this out.

  • @BipolarCorner
    @BipolarCorner 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I always liked watching Luna while growing up because she was different. That's not disrespectful because I'm different myself. This was the only episode I was looking for with Dark Side of the ring.

  • @ConsCope
    @ConsCope 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    She was my neighbor in NPR. What a beautiful soul and good vibes.

  • @billyblueification
    @billyblueification 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Love this episode, great tribute to one of the greatest women in wrestling RIP LUNA. Medusa was great, too!!

  • @30matey
    @30matey 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    i always loved luna and chyna they were different and i loved luna and how she worked and such beautiful words by mick foley at the end that made me cry so terriable how they treated luna

  • @Hepler-s2b
    @Hepler-s2b 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Luna was always one of my favorite wrestlers! It is really sad that it took this long for her to get the recognition she deserved, but she definitely earns every bit of praise that she has had heaped upon her in the past few years!

  • @Badvibesdude
    @Badvibesdude 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    That episode gave me a new appreciation for her. She freaked me out as a kid and she didn't really have much of an opportunity to work when I got older.

  • @brow7549
    @brow7549 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Good episode. Mostly remember Luna when she managed Bull Nakano and Bam Bam. She could cut a promo, work in the ring and had a great look. She reminded me of Sherri Martel because they cut great promos and they were so intense in and outside the ring. Like Kanyon, was sad to she what she had went thru in her career. But I appreciate VICE for these documentaries as it sheds light on what they went thru and gives new generation of fans a chance to know what they've done for the business.

  • @Yellowrose71
    @Yellowrose71 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I am glad Corney talked about that incident about Paul Vachon marrying the widow. That was the weirdest thing I ever heard. Why did she knock on his door?? Also, I wish they could talk more about Vivian Vachon, who I found out died at 40 in a car wreck. Good show.

  • @terryeubanks8797
    @terryeubanks8797 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I wish Luna could have stayed in WWE a little longer to wrestle some of the girls around 2003. She could have had some great matches with Molly, Lita, Ivory, and Jazz.

  • @papanoel3999
    @papanoel3999 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    I've always liked Luna also. Wwe should of gave her the title.

    • @nbaldwin45
      @nbaldwin45 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      She was just in the wrong time but it's tragic that so many champions have talked about their belts as props or whined about having to lug them around airports whereas Luna REALLY wanted to be champion ... and she would've been an EXCELLENT champion.

  • @calmccutchen528
    @calmccutchen528 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I did not Know Van was Luna's son he was one of my favorite contestants on Hell's Kitchen.

  • @barlotardy
    @barlotardy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    From Butcher Vachon's Wikipedia page: "In 1993, he was diagnosed with colon cancer and had half of his colon removed. Then, in 2003, he was diagnosed with throat cancer. Vachon underwent 40 treatments, one on each week day for five straight weeks, to overcome the throat cancer. In addition, he had the disease burned out of his tonsils and his teeth were removed. As a result of the radiation treatments, he underwent reconstructive jaw surgery in early June 2009. Vachon also suffers from diabetes"

  • @furthausen
    @furthausen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    Sadly the tone we are hearing with some the greats we lost, mental health. Remember we are not alone. Don't be afraid of asking for help. #tagmein

  • @TheLoveHateRelationshipOfLife
    @TheLoveHateRelationshipOfLife 2 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Always loved Luna & “Mad Dog” Vachon’s work.

    • @renatocontrerasflores294
      @renatocontrerasflores294 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ive been thinking about wrestling families for a while and I think there might be some co-relation between the dissapearance of lineage, the markish attitud of nowadays cosplay wrestlers and the decline of the business.

    • @CarlosMedina-vj7ot
      @CarlosMedina-vj7ot 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@renatocontrerasflores294 You make a good point. I’m generally not a fan of nepotism, but in places where you see a lot of it there’s usually an emphasis on traditions. The 2nd and 3rd generation wrestlers do often have a certain reverence for those. On the other hand, it’s not always a perfect transfer of values, as Cody shows.

  • @yoholmes273
    @yoholmes273 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Luna would destroy these "diva" wannabes of today. Luna was the real deal.

  • @jonathangeary1879
    @jonathangeary1879 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I loved Luna. Always made me happy when she beat up Sable

  • @kyledamron
    @kyledamron 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Luna deserves to be in the HOF

    • @lordtrigon1733
      @lordtrigon1733 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Didn’t she go in as a legacy entry? I remember people angry that Luna got in via a passing mention while Torrie Wilson got the full star treatment the same year.

    • @maxxdahl6062
      @maxxdahl6062 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@lordtrigon1733 Legacy entries are almost disrespectful throw away mentions though.

    • @andyanderson4151
      @andyanderson4151 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@maxxdahl6062 totally agree with you! Look at how the WWE HOF looks at Bruiser Brody R.I.P.

    • @maxxdahl6062
      @maxxdahl6062 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@andyanderson4151 And Lou Thesz. Come the fuck on?

    • @RandalfElVikingo
      @RandalfElVikingo ปีที่แล้ว

      @@maxxdahl6062 El Santo too. In his prime he was the ultimate wrestler in terms of popularity, he is basically a national hero and you can only say that about Bret Hart or Kurt Angle.

  • @bryanjackson9033
    @bryanjackson9033 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Luna Vachon was way ahead of her time. She was ready for the Divas Revolution/Women’s Evolution but, it wasn’t ready for her like Lita, Trish Stratus, Beth Phoenix just to name a few.

  • @Billinois78
    @Billinois78 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The first time I ever saw or heard of Luna was when she appeared in the WWF as Bam Bam Bigelow's "main squeeze". Bam Bam scared me alone as a kid. I'd never seen someone with a tattooed skull before. Then out came Luna Vachon with her own crazy headwork and the "There is no Dana, only Zuul" voice. I believed that these two people were what they appeared to be.

  • @scottdodson8619
    @scottdodson8619 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I was on an Indy show once with her years ago, and I was standing in front of the Gorilla position when she was about to go out and she scolded me for it. I NEVER did that again . It's simply locker room etiquette that I learned the hard way and never forgot!

    • @Mrderful
      @Mrderful 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      What did she say?

    • @scottdodson8619
      @scottdodson8619 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Just something to the effect that when someone's getting ready to go out for their match you shouldn't stand in their way or something like that. I apologized and never did that again! Maybe I wasn't paying attention but it's just one of those things you learn from veterans and try to pass it along to the next generation of kids in the business. But today's ' wrestlers' are know- it- all's and brats so why even try..?! Ha. Once in awhile they'll be a kid who gets it and wants to learn the business but for the most part it's a whole new generation or just simply don't get the concept of pro wrestling in my opinion

  • @john-tobeymaguirecena
    @john-tobeymaguirecena 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Literally listening to this exact part on Spotify

  • @satsubatsu347
    @satsubatsu347 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Luna Vachon was the first licensed female wrestler in video games... It was like someone knew she was bankable AND believable.

    • @bradleypizzola1218
      @bradleypizzola1218 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Special was moon sault off top rope took me awhile to figure out how to do that special

  • @jackhopkins4679
    @jackhopkins4679 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Can you imagine how it felt being a legit wrestler and having to put sable over

    • @davidmurphy3214
      @davidmurphy3214 ปีที่แล้ว

      Luna should have done what Verne Gange wanted the Iron Sheik to do to hulk Hogan. F Vince McMahon and break sable up.

  • @jefftaylor1186
    @jefftaylor1186 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Probably the best episode this season. Learned a lot of stuff I didn’t know before. I feel like too many episodes of the season are about stuff that everyone knows every detail about already. Like the plane ride from hell, or the North Korean show.

  • @mctavish4496
    @mctavish4496 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Always remember hearing the story about one of her matches, it might have even been the one involving Sable, where the only person who stayed behind the curtain to congratulate Luna after the match was Owen Hart.

  • @chuckgreen8989
    @chuckgreen8989 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Luna Vachon vs Shayna Baszler would have been awesome.

    • @Mrderful
      @Mrderful 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Idk about that. Luna is tougher than a $2 steak but Shayna is LEGIT.

  • @princeekeson12
    @princeekeson12 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Trivia: Luna was the first female to appear in a wrestling video game as a fully playable character.

  • @joshuaDstarks
    @joshuaDstarks 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Luna was fantastic.

  • @ThaRealWorld
    @ThaRealWorld 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That guy in Conn was the guy from the Netflix doc that bought his kid a semi-pro hockey team

  • @lazvaldes111
    @lazvaldes111 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I met Luna in the mid 90s and she was with Gangrel before he was Gangrel. She almost kicked my ass for knowing too much of the business at the time. Not the best meet and greet. But I respect the fact she was protective over the business. R.I.P. LUNA

    • @maxxdahl6062
      @maxxdahl6062 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Never try to use smark terms or flaunt that you're smart to wrestlers, that's just dumb. You don't do that until you're in the business.

  • @InsignificantNick
    @InsignificantNick 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I remember Van from Hell's Kitchen! Damn!

  • @ThatDoesntWorkForMeBrother
    @ThatDoesntWorkForMeBrother 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    The thing that I got from this episode is that
    Madusa don’t give a f**k. I’m kind of surprised that there wasn’t any mention of Owen Hart saying positive things to Luna for putting Sable over at Wrestlemania.

    • @Bubba__Sawyer
      @Bubba__Sawyer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What's the story with Owen Hart and Luna?

    • @86am
      @86am 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Bubba__Sawyer This is late, but Luna was crying while everyone was popping champagne and giving flowers to Sable. Owen saw Luna and was the only one to praise her for the match.

    • @mrkipling2201
      @mrkipling2201 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Just another example of how great Owen was.

  • @leeberry689
    @leeberry689 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Good to see Lady Maxine again. Last time I saw her was when she got kicked in the crotch by Dark Journey in the UWF. Enormous thumbs down to Vince for treating Luna like shit.

    • @alikayyal9050
      @alikayyal9050 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      How old are you lmao?

    • @Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma
      @Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Was this around the time that Sting got his ass kicked for banging Dark Journey?

    • @leeberry689
      @leeberry689 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma not 100% sure, but I think so.

  • @slingblade0085
    @slingblade0085 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I remember Luna MOST being Bam Bams "Main Squeeze"... I remember a lil of other things, but I was a just a kid....an she SCARED THE SHIT OUTTA ME👀😜🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @stevengrvp
    @stevengrvp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    This episode breaks your heart

  • @loufaulk6812
    @loufaulk6812 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I remember the first time I saw Luna vashon and I was fascinated by her look and she was a good wrestler one of or probably the best female wrestler ever

    • @jaweiss34
      @jaweiss34 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      First time I saw her I thought she was an absolute badass who shouldn’t be fucked with. I didn’t think much of it at the time, but looking back it was weird they tried to slot her into swimsuit contests and evening gown matches. I started watching in 2001-2002 but I bought a bunch of the old PPV tapes so all I saw of her was from those

  • @csw3287
    @csw3287 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Her son Van is a Hell of a Chef.. Saw Him on "Hell's Kitchen" a couple seasons.. Seems like a real good guy.

    • @oN3xShOtxkilL
      @oN3xShOtxkilL 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Always loved Van, he was such a character and a hell of a chef

    • @Chaz4543
      @Chaz4543 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Did you watch this episode ? He didnt seem sad or emotional at all.

    • @csw3287
      @csw3287 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Chaz4543 I did. Your right. Maybe He didn't have good memories of Her.

    • @Chaz4543
      @Chaz4543 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@csw3287 I think he hardly ever saw her IDK.

    • @oN3xShOtxkilL
      @oN3xShOtxkilL 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Chaz4543 I think he hardly really knew her, remember he said he was raised by his grandma in that interview

  • @Torontokid
    @Torontokid 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I loved Luna and Bam Bam . Loved Playing Luna and Bam in the video game aswell. Always loved the tapes I saw with her in Florida

  • @Honeycomblife
    @Honeycomblife 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Luna is an icon her and Chyna were always my favorite female stars

  • @glennross85
    @glennross85 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This mans mind for wrestling is the only thing keeping it alive right now.

  • @NcTheory
    @NcTheory 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Luna should have left Sable looking like Sabu.

    • @chozahfearless7524
      @chozahfearless7524 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Could you imagine her post Luna beat down trying to marry Brock Lesnar? Lmao

    • @NcTheory
      @NcTheory 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@chozahfearless7524 he looks like a car that’s been mechanically pressed anyway, and she currently looks like Barbie can’t smile without surgery

    • @chozahfearless7524
      @chozahfearless7524 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@NcTheory hilarious 🤣 Sable and Lil Kim could do a barbie special on Netflix

  • @TheMisterTibbles
    @TheMisterTibbles 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Corngrel or Gangrette?
    Huge shame with Luna, the whole documentary was fantastic and it was an extremely sad story but what an inspiration for women wrestlers in the business, Luna was a fantastic talent who never got to show us what she could do on the big stage. We should all feel robbed by the WWF/E.

  • @nickcervenka8756
    @nickcervenka8756 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I'm always going to associate Luna as being the valet to Bam bam, and before that, the one who randomly got involved with Sherri in the midst of her fallout with Shawn Michaels.

    • @smarkslowplay3512
      @smarkslowplay3512 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sherri left in thr summer, ending that feud suddenly. Then they paired Luna with Bigelow

    • @Bubba__Sawyer
      @Bubba__Sawyer 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Luna's best work was with Bam Bam. The stuff she did with Goldust was pretty good too. Women's wrestling in general back then was practically non-existent, but Luna was great in the valet role. She was given plenty to do.

    • @omegahorizon82
      @omegahorizon82 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Im Glad to have seen them in St. Petersburg in the 80's

  • @SynDC6
    @SynDC6 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    They skipped the Daughters of Darkness part of her career, Loch & Luna. I was shocked to see that Van from Hell’s Kitchen is her son.

  • @budster0709
    @budster0709 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Did anybody else get the reference Jim made to Sable as a Matchbox car?

  • @garywood7207
    @garywood7207 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    His impersonation at 11:08 was classic 😆

  • @jbellflower83
    @jbellflower83 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    🤣 That Sunny "what did I do" part popped me. Poor Sunny just at the wrong place at the wrong time.

  • @holidaystyles7952
    @holidaystyles7952 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    He was Crazy as a Rainbow Trout in a Car Wash.....lmao where does Jim come up with these

  • @pooter420
    @pooter420 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    First time I saw Luna, she was walking Gold Dust down the entrance with a dog collar. I remember saying to myself - "Holy shit! This chick is scary!!" Truly a wasted talent by the WWF.

  • @toddwebb7521
    @toddwebb7521 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I'd have loved to see Luna shoot on Sable

  • @brkkab123321
    @brkkab123321 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Halloween havoc is next Tuesday night.

  • @Fender178
    @Fender178 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I remember seeing Luna when she was with Bam Bam Bigelow back when I was a kid during the 1993 Survivor Series. And Gangrel was an awesome manger with Edge and Chastain and later on with the Hardys.

  • @jvharbin8337
    @jvharbin8337 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Luna with the right make up could have been a model. Not a Diva. She was better than that class of women.

    • @blancosfamilyfarm1798
      @blancosfamilyfarm1798 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I thought her in her younger years was a beautiful woman, not that she wasn't when she got older

    • @jvharbin8337
      @jvharbin8337 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@blancosfamilyfarm1798 agreed. 100% my friend.

  • @FreddieBlaze
    @FreddieBlaze 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Luna was such a sweetheart and beautiful woman, my all time favorite female wrestler of all!💖

  • @nickcurrier1546
    @nickcurrier1546 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Jim and Brian, I speak to Butcher Vachon once a year in NH. He does the fair circuit selling his books, I have all 4 of them autographed and personalized

    • @dman50amm
      @dman50amm 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I met him about 25 years ago also at county fair in NY

  • @KimchiiQueen
    @KimchiiQueen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The intro by Jim for this video made me love him even more

  • @morganspector5161
    @morganspector5161 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I recall a documentary on Wendi Richter that talked about Luna's issues with Moolah.

  • @lPHOENIXZEROl
    @lPHOENIXZEROl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Luna told the Moolah story in a shoot interview she did when she was still with David Heath.

  • @Masutora
    @Masutora ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I always thought she was awesome. She was the only woman in the early Monday Night RAW games and it was cool to see. And I loved her persona.

  • @zachwilson6119
    @zachwilson6119 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This artwork makes you say "what the fuck" out loud and you love it.

  • @signoresantinoburnett1169
    @signoresantinoburnett1169 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Gangrel and Luna were a great team.

  • @williamslater-vf5ym
    @williamslater-vf5ym 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    He called Sable a matchbook car 😂

  • @theresawebb1968
    @theresawebb1968 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The frkside of the ring of luna vouchon was so direct everything came out.

  • @mctavish4496
    @mctavish4496 ปีที่แล้ว

    " Luna has just beaten up Sherri by the medical station "
    Jim Ross
    " Super!! "
    Bobby Heenan
    WM9

  • @dhotnessmcawesome9747
    @dhotnessmcawesome9747 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I've heard the Luna Moola story. Not so specific, but that she was "pimped out" and lost it on the guy.
    On the topic of "Luna today": She'd be deemed too problematic and "not reliable" to be signed by the WWE because with today's internet, her shit would be everywhere so her having a top dollar career is unlikely. She wasn't healthy. That'd be true today too. It's not fault. That shit just happens sometimes.
    I wish she were here today though. Always a Luna fan.

    • @mykoniichistorychannel
      @mykoniichistorychannel 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That story has been around for a long while now. I'm surprised they didn't know.

    • @vernicemoore8213
      @vernicemoore8213 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you recall it was mentioned that her aunt Vivian molested her as well. Being that Mad Dog dismissed it on Dark Side, so just imagine how bad it was back then. So she was alone with Mula and her Aunt whom everyone thought was on the up and up outside of the wrestling world. In that world she was prey to them

  • @Wyatt31704
    @Wyatt31704 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Luna should have been women's champion at least once

  • @jerichobeach2967
    @jerichobeach2967 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Corny can do no wrong. Love this guy.

  • @NHRebelsthoughts
    @NHRebelsthoughts 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This was a very good episode

  • @alain99v6
    @alain99v6 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Paul had throat cancer that' why he could barely talk today

  • @mr-bradstar3786
    @mr-bradstar3786 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Luna should of won the WWF women’s title