yeah I feel like he completely forgets to mention stuff like nozzle size. I have ears on the smaller side, with a weird ear canal too, so nozzle size and deep/shallow fit are very important for me lol. I know I can't fit a hexa in my ears, but I can an IE200, so I'd need to try stuff that's in between, but mentioning at least nozzle size is a big deal for me lol
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i'm no audiophile and dont really familiar to any of the jargons watching this video using the SM4 that i got after my original tinhifi T2 somehow got broke if i were to describe that piezoelectric sound on the trebble it would be "super CRISP", on a side note the bass also go boom
When you refer to the piezoelectric driver‘s sound, it’s basically just a special shape of the frequency response in the treble region, right? Because I have heard that headphones/iems are minimum phase, meaning that two iems with different drivers bit the (exact) same frequency response should sound the same, right?
I really think you should have mentioned their ridiculously low impedance. This makes them highly source dependent and, at this point, even cable dependent. With this in mind, it almost makes sense that they don't come with balanced connections as balanced outputs typically have a higher output impedance on most geat.
I just got them today and they sound incredibly hollow when plugged directly into my laptop and even with an Apple dongle (EU), like there's certain frequencies that are just inaudible. I'm waiting for a FiiO KA11 to come in to hopefully make them sound any ways decent. Really disappointed so far.
@Hannigan501 Tbh, they graph like they'd sound more or less like that with any decent source as well. But high output impedance of your current source may be a (possibly quite significant) compounding factor.
Hey Crinacle, thanks for such a good job! I want to update from my Zero:2s I use mainly on the go together with an ifi go link, silver plated tripowin cable and spinfit w1 tips. Would this SM4 be a good upgrade?
Atm, it's probably Supermix 4 or the EW300, also by Simgot. You can also try the Kiwi Ears Quintet, which also uses a PZT for some of the treble, but I can't comment on it personally because I haven't tried it. It was pretty well-received, although some complained about slightly metallic, unnatural sounding vocals and instruments.
I wanted to buy this IEM when it was first released, but I held back. Last weekend, I went to a store and tried 30-40 IEMs. The sm4 was the only one that made me want to take it off immediately after listening to it, but I still held on for a minute. This completely made me give up the intention to buy it. Sound is very thin, I don't know, I don't think I have extreme tastes, I like TitanS2, Kadenz, Zen pro, Aria2, Aful P8, Cadenza4 etc... But I really can't accept sm4, maybe because I tried the wrong type of music? like Guns N' Roses, Bon Jovi?
@@zeissiez Sweeet I just ordered a secondhand Blessing 2 last night. Comparing the frequency response it looks very similar to your Tangzus. I’m hoping they do my music justice.
Just picked these up and I really rate them coming from the S12. They sound quite dynamic throughout the frequency range and don't really feel too wonky as I think some other cheaper hybrids (looking at you, KZ) can do. I suppose these confirm that I find Harman pretty appealing as it's a fun V shape without really being too offensive - I can take a little more sub bass but these is neither here or there and I think can be a bit much with a DD handling the bass sometimes. I was surprised by how responsive the bass was here and the vocal forwardness is nice with the treble being excellent for me (I want to say on par with the Edition XS which I love for treble). My main gripe so far is that they're pretty source dependant - they sound like wank and as if a bass drum has been shoved into your ear unless I have them on high gain. I can't say how they compare to pricier options compared to this price range pre-chifi these are awesome.
@forwarduntodawn2744 I'd say the S12 is still better purely for clarity, treble sounds equally detailed on both and the mids sound around the same but the bass on the S12 is faster and maybe reaches down a little lower while the Supermix is definely more dynamic in the bass. I'd say both are relatively similar in terms of details overall though. The S12 is a planar everything sounds really 'fast' so it's kinda like just having your music laid out in front of you but less physical. The Supermix sounds much more tactile, the bass goes similarly low but has better impact and slam, mids sound a tad more physical too and vocals are noticeably forward, treble is much less boosted than the S12 (which can be sibilant at times sadly) but sounds a bit more physical (due to the PZT driver maybe?). Both are great overall I think. I'd say that maybe the S12 has more outright detail while the Supermix makes up for it by providing additional information in terms of physicality.
Waiting my SM4 bought for $88 and SM6L for $64... Why? I don't know. I love sales. I like how SM6L's connector is compatible with my XZ10 wireless adapter, so they might be nice replacement for my Castor Bass and SM4 is going to replace Aria 2
Yaoo I want a tws collab but in midrange price. The reason is tws is either bassy or dull. I want a good tws at budget/midrange prices range. Tanchjim mino was a good tws tbh but I think Crin your collab can improve a lot. Maybe a good balanced tws that doesn't just focus on bass while also not into harse treble that scratches your ear canal 😅. So what do you say?
Hi Crin, I'm pretty sure it's PEE-EH-ZO, not pee-zee-oh... I love my SM4... It's a helluva gateway drug to planars(Artti T10, love it, and the Letshuoer S12 2024) ⬅️I'm picking it up later today, shhh 🤫
As per my noob ears, I heard SM4 is much more analytical and has a bit harsh treble. But its good for electric guitar sound. S12 2024 sounds very smooth, even I can feel sleepy if I listen longer. But the tone and timbre of instrument sounds more natural. Its also clean from sibilance and white noise in classical music. But SM4 musicality is also very engaging. Imaging is also much better in Sm4.
İt means vocals and some instruments are sounding distant or lifeless. This is due to low amount of volume that harman tuning has; it has relatively less presence in 3-450hz. This causes that issue.
@@marifrit2490I would say lacking mid-bass, which does affect midrange. Thin sounding iems make male vocals lack a bit of impact, or make the vocalist sound "younger"
The Supermix 4 was an IEM I was honestly pretty reluctant to admitting to liking 🤣 and Crin did a very good job of explaining the main difference between it and the Nova that I couldn't really put my finger on when I tried it a while back; the treble response I honestly wouldn't buy either (I'd much rather you save some money and get the Hexa or the Xuan NV), but I would definitely recommend the SM4 if you're considering between it and the Nova 👌🏼
I feel the opposite... the SM4 is SO much more thumpy than my XuanNv so I like the slightly more clean yet still defined high end. Sure, I picked up my XuanNV for just about half as much as the SM4s and they do have a lot more treble "sparkle" but that can be a bit harsh at times for me but it is perfect for vocals. SM4 for me sounds better for hip pop and high energy pop or dance tracks.
@@tflp1950 Not that, I didnt mean his own target. I mean literally the sequel to harman target. He has a caffee with a lot of customers, I think he could do something harman did, but better maybe.
EW300 looks like EW200. Nothing special. And the nozzle of both EW300 and EW200 are overwhelming and your ear might get hurt after few minutes of using it.
Get a better cable that solve all/any IEMS problems and Latex tips, smoothness, clean bass, separation imaging, texture control 30% improvement over stock cables, small investment to improve across all frequency. Of course a good dac Amp is required, 7Hz 71 DAC AMP or something better testing with the VEVO music video on TH-cam, if you're not agree with me that meant you're not an audiophile listener level. Thank you. Mark Ryan Super Review is one of the Stubborn reviewer, living in his own world. THANK YOU GUYS.
> 24 core 240 wire shinny blue cable $20 usd make a huge jump in sound quality or NICEHCK HICOTTON, GRKING FLAGSHIP CABLES OR HIHER PRICE WITH NICEHCK CABLES THEY ARE ALL PREMIUM HIGH QUALITY CABLES, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT CHEERS.
@@JoelHernandez-tz3vk you are supposed to tilt it or apply bass/treble/ear gain filters using jm-1 with none of those is equivalent to harman in room flat basically instead of the harman target
I watched this video with SM4 in my ears, I approve.
Especially,so good for gaming holyshit!
I love this IEM.
The real meta
me too!
same! :D
@@tharunkumarp3110 agree 100% hahahaha
SM4 is also more source-dependent and harder to drive than the Nova. The Nova is bulkier and not built as rugged as the SM4. 😊
I agree, I would rather plug it in straight to my phone rather using cheap dongle
yeah I feel like he completely forgets to mention stuff like nozzle size. I have ears on the smaller side, with a weird ear canal too, so nozzle size and deep/shallow fit are very important for me lol. I know I can't fit a hexa in my ears, but I can an IE200, so I'd need to try stuff that's in between, but mentioning at least nozzle size is a big deal for me lol
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Very Good Ideas.
the subbass on SM4 is pretty good
Really rumbly, and still has midbass punch. Of course the higher the output impedance the higher the bass shelf. I run mine out of a btr7 4.4.
subbass on this iem so good, very versatile on any genre!
Sm4 is my favorite till now
Very comfortable sound
i'm no audiophile and dont really familiar to any of the jargons
watching this video using the SM4 that i got after my original tinhifi T2 somehow got broke
if i were to describe that piezoelectric sound on the trebble it would be "super CRISP", on a side note the bass also go boom
When you refer to the piezoelectric driver‘s sound, it’s basically just a special shape of the frequency response in the treble region, right? Because I have heard that headphones/iems are minimum phase, meaning that two iems with different drivers bit the (exact) same frequency response should sound the same, right?
Hated Nova so that's all i need to hear about these.
I really think you should have mentioned their ridiculously low impedance. This makes them highly source dependent and, at this point, even cable dependent.
With this in mind, it almost makes sense that they don't come with balanced connections as balanced outputs typically have a higher output impedance on most geat.
I just got them today and they sound incredibly hollow when plugged directly into my laptop and even with an Apple dongle (EU), like there's certain frequencies that are just inaudible. I'm waiting for a FiiO KA11 to come in to hopefully make them sound any ways decent. Really disappointed so far.
@Hannigan501 Tbh, they graph like they'd sound more or less like that with any decent source as well. But high output impedance of your current source may be a (possibly quite significant) compounding factor.
SM4 are incredible combined with spinfit w1 tips
what difference do these tips make ?
@@vaibhavdukare7comfort
Are there any percieveable reverse polarity effects on the SM4?
Is letshuor s12 pro a good competitor ???
Hey Crinacle, thanks for such a good job! I want to update from my Zero:2s I use mainly on the go together with an ifi go link, silver plated tripowin cable and spinfit w1 tips. Would this SM4 be a good upgrade?
THANK you Crinicle, amazing channel for hifi community Cheers F. O. for bad audience is my favorite words from you haha.... I like that a lot ...
I would like to hear that piezoelectric sound. What would be a better implementation of the piezoelectric driver?
Atm, it's probably Supermix 4 or the EW300, also by Simgot.
You can also try the Kiwi Ears Quintet, which also uses a PZT for some of the treble, but I can't comment on it personally because I haven't tried it. It was pretty well-received, although some complained about slightly metallic, unnatural sounding vocals and instruments.
Please review simgod ew300 hbb and dsp editions
I wanted to buy this IEM when it was first released, but I held back. Last weekend, I went to a store and tried 30-40 IEMs. The sm4 was the only one that made me want to take it off immediately after listening to it, but I still held on for a minute. This completely made me give up the intention to buy it. Sound is very thin, I don't know, I don't think I have extreme tastes, I like TitanS2, Kadenz, Zen pro, Aria2, Aful P8, Cadenza4 etc... But I really can't accept sm4, maybe because I tried the wrong type of music? like Guns N' Roses, Bon Jovi?
You're overthinking it... You just don't like Harman In Ear target matching IEMs
Got my set of SM4’s the other day I love them!
Is sm4 for trance music?What are the other iems for trance music?
Didn't hear the most important info. What's the nozzle width?
I had these. In one word: Harmon
This isn't aimed at you specifically but I don't understand why people spell it as 'Harmon' instead of Harman.
Asking the correct questions. I get super angry when that happens@@RNeeko
I ended up not liking them either, the aggressive bass and treble gave me a headache
@@Binlax Agreed, I bought an anti-Harmon IEM lately, Tangzu Nezha. Sweeeeet…..
@@zeissiez Sweeet I just ordered a secondhand Blessing 2 last night. Comparing the frequency response it looks very similar to your Tangzus. I’m hoping they do my music justice.
Just picked these up and I really rate them coming from the S12. They sound quite dynamic throughout the frequency range and don't really feel too wonky as I think some other cheaper hybrids (looking at you, KZ) can do. I suppose these confirm that I find Harman pretty appealing as it's a fun V shape without really being too offensive - I can take a little more sub bass but these is neither here or there and I think can be a bit much with a DD handling the bass sometimes. I was surprised by how responsive the bass was here and the vocal forwardness is nice with the treble being excellent for me (I want to say on par with the Edition XS which I love for treble). My main gripe so far is that they're pretty source dependant - they sound like wank and as if a bass drum has been shoved into your ear unless I have them on high gain. I can't say how they compare to pricier options compared to this price range pre-chifi these are awesome.
How is its technicality compare to S12?
@forwarduntodawn2744 I'd say the S12 is still better purely for clarity, treble sounds equally detailed on both and the mids sound around the same but the bass on the S12 is faster and maybe reaches down a little lower while the Supermix is definely more dynamic in the bass. I'd say both are relatively similar in terms of details overall though. The S12 is a planar everything sounds really 'fast' so it's kinda like just having your music laid out in front of you but less physical. The Supermix sounds much more tactile, the bass goes similarly low but has better impact and slam, mids sound a tad more physical too and vocals are noticeably forward, treble is much less boosted than the S12 (which can be sibilant at times sadly) but sounds a bit more physical (due to the PZT driver maybe?).
Both are great overall I think. I'd say that maybe the S12 has more outright detail while the Supermix makes up for it by providing additional information in terms of physicality.
Galaxy buds 3?
When Supermix 4 on wavelet?
is oracle mk3 gonna be crinacle approved?
What's a good U-shaped sound signature IEM around 150$-200$? For comparison I own 7Hz Timeless.
I want to hear your thoughts on the harman end game, dunu glacier
Waiting my SM4 bought for $88 and SM6L for $64... Why? I don't know. I love sales.
I like how SM6L's connector is compatible with my XZ10 wireless adapter, so they might be nice replacement for my Castor Bass and SM4 is going to replace Aria 2
Yaoo I want a tws collab but in midrange price.
The reason is tws is either bassy or dull. I want a good tws at budget/midrange prices range. Tanchjim mino was a good tws tbh but I think Crin your collab can improve a lot.
Maybe a good balanced tws that doesn't just focus on bass while also not into harse treble that scratches your ear canal 😅.
So what do you say?
will you guys review the moondrop block half in ear TWS???
They don't do reviews
Hi Crin,
I'm pretty sure it's PEE-EH-ZO, not pee-zee-oh...
I love my SM4...
It's a helluva gateway drug to planars(Artti T10, love it, and the Letshuoer S12 2024) ⬅️I'm picking it up later today, shhh 🤫
s12 2024 is fantastic! Very natural sounding
When i see crin or timmy, i watch
SM4 vs S12 2024?
As per my noob ears, I heard SM4 is much more analytical and has a bit harsh treble. But its good for electric guitar sound.
S12 2024 sounds very smooth, even I can feel sleepy if I listen longer. But the tone and timbre of instrument sounds more natural. Its also clean from sibilance and white noise in classical music.
But SM4 musicality is also very engaging.
Imaging is also much better in Sm4.
@@eboboboy Cheers mate. Sounds like SM4 would be more my speed.
Been using the SM4 for a couple months now. I’ve heard bad things about Harman in this space but it’s my favourite IEM. Guess I like Harman.
How is it compared to the juzear 41T vs Pula Pa02 vs aful perform 5?
The P5 is fuller sounding therefore better for genre which needs a full midbass. SM4 is typical Harmon tuning with scooped out lower mids.
The P5 is the best of the bunch, when you also consider the QC.
STOP SAYING HARMON FFS@@zeissiez
Jm-1 without any bass boost wen
Literally. Been waiting for something like the hexa for so long.
JM-1 with even more bass boost wen
the hexa exists
@@quochuynguyen764 i have hexa, but the quality of the bass is not good
What does sounding thin means??
Not enough mids generally.
İt means vocals and some instruments are sounding distant or lifeless.
This is due to low amount of volume that harman tuning has; it has relatively less presence in 3-450hz.
This causes that issue.
@@marifrit2490I would say lacking mid-bass, which does affect midrange. Thin sounding iems make male vocals lack a bit of impact, or make the vocalist sound "younger"
Should look at the aful explorer at some point. It’s just so cozy and clean
Can't compare with sm4 as I haven't heard it yet, but the explorer has a laid back tuning that grows on you. Scales pretty well with power.
I've got both, they are both worth having. Nothing scales like the exploder though.
@@Hijynx87 Thanks for backing me up bruh.
Next time I think crinacle will go crazy over the EM10 and the EW300.
No
Nope, they ain't as good
Sm10? Bullshit iem.
Ew300 & supermix 4, miles better than sm10
@@destyo99what abt ew200?
The Supermix 4 was an IEM I was honestly pretty reluctant to admitting to liking 🤣 and Crin did a very good job of explaining the main difference between it and the Nova that I couldn't really put my finger on when I tried it a while back; the treble response
I honestly wouldn't buy either (I'd much rather you save some money and get the Hexa or the Xuan NV), but I would definitely recommend the SM4 if you're considering between it and the Nova 👌🏼
I feel the opposite... the SM4 is SO much more thumpy than my XuanNv so I like the slightly more clean yet still defined high end. Sure, I picked up my XuanNV for just about half as much as the SM4s and they do have a lot more treble "sparkle" but that can be a bit harsh at times for me but it is perfect for vocals. SM4 for me sounds better for hip pop and high energy pop or dance tracks.
We need someone to make a sequel to harman target or something.
I hope thats your ultimate goal crinacle.
Crinacle already has his own target
@@tflp1950he doesn't have a target for the 5128 technically.
@@tflp1950 Not that, I didnt mean his own target. I mean literally the sequel to harman target. He has a caffee with a lot of customers, I think he could do something harman did, but better maybe.
@@avendurreethat's the "new meta'
I didn't like it much, in my testing truthear nova was miles ahead. Mids was fuzzy. I think the unit I got for review was defective.
it's also only 7ohms, so it's ultra source picky.
@@Hijynx87 i tried a lot of sources every time i came to same conclusion.
So you are sying novas are better @@SushiiFi
@@Kpk8985 yes, with my testing I concluded nova is better.
No 4.4? Hmm... Cool review as always.
Thanks for mentioning the biggest con first 😅
🔥
why no F OFF
Unfortunately these dont look special, i wish they were more like the EW300. They just look like some the 20dollar iems
EW300 looks like EW200. Nothing special. And the nozzle of both EW300 and EW200 are overwhelming and your ear might get hurt after few minutes of using it.
@@galsnashville the supermix4 still look ugly.
Thought the Ke4 had this title
ke4 is jm-1, not harmon.
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Get a better cable that solve all/any IEMS problems and Latex tips, smoothness, clean bass, separation imaging, texture control 30% improvement over stock cables, small investment to improve across all frequency.
Of course a good dac Amp is required, 7Hz 71 DAC AMP or something better testing with the VEVO music video on TH-cam, if you're not agree with me that meant you're not an audiophile listener level. Thank you. Mark Ryan Super Review is one of the Stubborn reviewer, living in his own world. THANK YOU GUYS.
I like the ew300 better, personally
Her man target? 😂
When hype 4
They only cover IEMs that they recommend. I have a feeling hype 4 didn’t make the cut
@@sarahpark5768 They have the Hype series (2, 3, 4) on the Hangout website.
@@sarahpark5768 but it’s sold on their website
Poco F3 phone + 7hz 71 dac + Jcally Wacker eartips = DAMN GOOD
It's pee-ayy-zoh-electric, not pee-zee-oh-electric 😉
> 24 core 240 wire shinny blue cable $20 usd make a huge jump in sound quality or NICEHCK HICOTTON, GRKING FLAGSHIP CABLES OR HIHER PRICE WITH NICEHCK CABLES THEY ARE ALL PREMIUM HIGH QUALITY CABLES, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT CHEERS.
harman just sounds... wrong. i prefer jm-1 with -1db/oct tilt and no bass boost
JM1 just sounds... wrong. Recessed, muddy, low-res...
@@wiesolosJM-1 at default setting sounds like death by upper mids and treble to me.
@@JoelHernandez-tz3vk you are supposed to tilt it or apply bass/treble/ear gain filters using jm-1 with none of those is equivalent to harman in room flat basically instead of the harman target
I prefer JM-1 with -0.7 dB/oct with+5 dB bass boost and -2 dB treble. -1 dB is too muddy
Mediocre...Peace!